How To Finish Tile Edge With Miter --- NO BULLNOSE! (Schluter Finec Profile)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Many of the new porcelain tiles for showers or walls do not come with a prefabricated finished trim piece (bullnose) to trim the edge of a tile shower wall, niche, or curb. This leaves a few options for trim, such as a Schluter Jolly (A100) or similar or doing a mitered edge. One of the drawbacks of a mitered tile edge is that they can be fragile on the corner or sharp. In an area such as a shower where slipping or stepping on a corner is a possibility, this Schluter Finec profile is great because it combines the clean look of a mitered joint with the protection and safety of a metal edge trim.
that looks so sick the way the tile and profile work together to give the tile wall additional depth and bulk. terrific look
Putting a mitre on that tile was the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed!
It was amazing! Talk about skill!
For real, didn't even need a rail to slide along.
You've had a pretty sheltered life.
I wouldnt recommend doing that to the average DIYer.
I am a tile setter with 20 years of experince.
You done a great job!
Love to see your videos.
Run the thin set lines horizontally that way you go up and down with the tile to collapse the lines. This way you are not constantly knocking the tile edge trim out of place and having to push in back into place. Great work! Like you I take pride in my work, and I walk away from every job saying "dang that is a beautiful job!" It is rewarding work.
What an absolute boss, with the free hand miter
He only ran them that way because it needs to be ran the direction of the shortest side of tile.
5 years into trades as a carpenter here, your company by far does the nicest stuff I’ve seen. Down here on the Monterey bay there are some good tile guys too but man that is some clean work. Thanks for all your help 🤙🏼
Nice work , just like the Property Brothers 👌🏽
First off, I've never commented on a TileCoach posting but I thought I would take the time to thank you, Isaac for you approach to instructional videos. There are thousands of tiling channels out there and they all have their merits and style and I am a strong believer that no one is perfect as Isaac will point out. Additionally, there are many ways to tile correctly and professionally so people need to realize that and I see so many negative comments on just any tiling video out there. I considering "learning and adopting" techniques to your style is lost art as many expect some perfect video that shows them exactly how to do it in every situation and life isn't like that as we all know. Every house, wall and floor is "uniquely" different. The fundamentals of taking the extra time to plumb walls and level the base just cannot be understated and in my opinion is one of the most important steps and tips that I think all home owners (and probably some professionals) should adopt. We moved into a new house recently and for the first time, I took these tips seriously and I cannot believe how easier it made pre-cutting and tiling the shower. If there is anything that I took away from all the tips, it is this one. Anyhow, thank you Isaac.
And now to the topic of this video. I am a homeowner and have done several bathrooms over the years, all my own or friends so I am no expert nor close to it. This happened to the first video that I stumbled upon on mitered corner and I've watch a few other videos. I have never been a fan of edging, especially metal edgings as I like clean, simple and refined edges and corners. Additionally, I absolutely hate metal edgings in shower niches. I will admit, I was terrified and hesitant at trying this method (and in honesty) plan B was to use metal edging but I never needed plan B. I don't have money to spend professional wet saws...I have a budget wet saw and some hand tools and want to let others know that it can be done with simple tools BUT with extra care. And I mean really slow down, take your time and it can work. For reference, I'm a somewhat handy person, I am more of wood worker but handy enough to tackle other types of projects. My tip for those that are like me: 1. I use my budget wet say to miter but always careful to be conservative and leave a more pronounced edge. 2. I then slowly and carefully finish with the hand grinder using fine grit diamond wheel. To my surprise, the grinder worked more effectively than I had anticipated. Using this method, I mitered the curb and niche but did not do the vertical edges as I was a bit uncomfortable with mitering such a thin piece for the vertical edges (this from experience in wood working). I tried a few pieces and decided against that. I was also able to find a Schluter edge that blended in so nicely with the tile we used that from 5 feet out, you couldn't tell I was using a metal edge as it matched color and texture. There was definitely some trial and error but I always used left over pieces to test cut and refined my method to my tools and capability. It's always deceiving watching UA-cam videos and not just thing one how simple and error free it is and I found that doing the mitered easily tripled the amount of time to measure and cut these pieces so fact that in.
Wow, that was a long post. I guess sipping coffee with some jazz in the background is inspirational. Hope that helps those thinking about doing this and thank you again Isaac for your work, I appreciate you and your work.
Using a bullnose tile as a guide, I bullnosed the exposed ends of the tile with a diamond cut-off wheel and diamond polishers, then painted the new bullnoses with custom mixed paint that matched the tile color. It was a little extra work but they turned out great and look like factory bullnoses.
16:00 I think the tiling cuts, layout & grout lines feeding into the drain on the shower floor are way cooler than the mitered edges!
Isaac, it seems like everytime I have a tile question, you have a video with the answer. Really appreciate your videos!
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I’m usually with Isaac about everything. He’s as knowledgeable as it gets. Personally, I avoid sliver cuts at all costs and putting in those small pieces would drive me nuts.
How would you do it ?
I wasn't go to comment until you mention the hand book TCNA. The flat toweling was technically not done properly. First you must Key the thinset into the substrate. You should hear the metal of the trowel making contact with your substrate.
Then apply what you need to make the notches.
Your work and teaching is still top notch keep up all the good things you do!
Have you ever tried the adhesive and grout mixture ? Today i went to look at a job I did 30+ years ago and it looked pristine. Bright white with zero stains. They now want a seat built into it.
Around that time I did a lot of tile work (showers / baths in custom homes) and used every system, brand etc. that came out or existed. It's now come around that I'm seeing those houses come up for remodels, repairs etc. The fake marble shower pans have held up the best. The plastic ones have all been scratched and stained but I haven't seen any that have failed anywhere but the drain. Of the tile floors in the showers the best ones are the ones where I poured a mixture of vinyl patch mix and type-s mortar and formed my own pan. The grouts have all failed at one place or another and to some degree or another except for the ones where I used the grout and adhesive mixture.
Thanks for explaining the back butter issue, I hear it all the time on these videos that you must back butter. I have been doing showers and floors for years on my own projects without back butter and have never lost a tile ever!
Thanks for making all of your videos. I’ve been out of the tile game for 14 years and am rusty as the tin man when Dorothy found him, your videos have brought me up to speed on what has changed in prep to do my kitchen. Mahalo
That floor is beautiful. In the old days before schluter we'd miter the tile like that for OC's but no strip so you had to be very careful to not have any sharp edges
Isaac, I think your little friend there needs to be a tile setter. I give an example: In 1960 PA Dept of Transportation built the Fort Pitt Tunnels and the walls are lined with white tiles. A few years ago a truck ran into one of the walls of the inbound tunnel and ripped some of the tiles off. For weeks, motorists had to see a dark passage in the tunnel, the reason being PennDOT had a hard time finding a contractor and workers "experienced in the trade". And this is for a big project, no wonder we can't get anyone for home jobs. It did get done and the tunnel is once again bright.
Bobby c from occ?
I will admit that your edge work looks great, but 32 liner ft of those mitre cuts has to rack up the man hours. A white 1/2 “L-shape schluder installs quick (seconds) and I feel looks very clean. I’m picky about hours- but still love and appreciate a beautiful result (worth investment)
Just did a job where we are making all our own bullnose for benches and baseboard. Also had to rip 1/16 off of 2 sides of a tile and polish cause they were differnts sizes. A good tile guy should be able to miter those in 2 hours alone.
@@jpmm4063 very true- 👍 I also noticed the nice polish pads he used on his. Nice work. Still a time eater. Looks sharp though
@@jpmm4063 I'd be more concerned about the quality of the tile. Some brands the wastage would be horrifying
Why can't they miter them in a saw
@@KPSchleyerjust easier, faster and less messy with a grinder. Plus you have to mitre each piece well over 45* and most saws only cut 45-47* max.
Thank you so much for sharing your tutorials. I can't express how helpful and informative your videos are. I learn more and more with every one. I've been doing home improvements for over 35 years. An old dog can always learn new tricks. Anyone who says they know it all and has the mindset that they can't learn anything is already done.....hang up your trowels, there's always room for improvement. I personally strive for perfection on every job. You Issac are a top notch class act no pun intended. I'll keep learning and thanks man for your time and efforts.
Thank you for time span call out of 5 days. Brings reality to HGTV false expectations
DIYer here, just got FINEC and was going to practice this weekend making the cuts. Perfect timing, thanks Isaac!
Isaac you're the man and thank you for all the info. I did my first small bathroom tile floor and had all the confidence in the world from watching hrs, literally hrs of your video's.!!! Thanks again and keep this content coming.
I'm doing the same
Lots of time on UA-cam 👍
As an old craftsman it is nice to see a young one.
everyone is said to be an expert but learns every day! It is not good to criticize but to repair!
Some video of that final Finec profile and those thin rips w/ mitre would hold my attention!
Agreed. I would do a 'tile and error' first before committing to julienning those pieces. Order extra! Beautiful though.
Gotta say man, you seem like a solid and humble type of dude. Its good to see, cause the trades are full of arrogant people.
I just started using those trims on my outside corners it adds some work but is worth the time
Hi, first and foremost I think your doing a great job, your very knowledgeable and professional. So there are all kinds of videos on the fundamentals of tile installation which I do myself for a living. I feel alot of the diy and weekend home warriors find your expertise and skills very helpful. Although I'm yet to see a video on how to resize a tile that is a 16th or a 32nd cut to big. You know that when you try to take off a blade, that unless you put a fence or a sacrificial tile the tile your trying to recut will slide or squim away. So I thought that would be a great video for you in the future. Keep up the good work.
Hold it down. Or use clamps.
That Finec is an awesome profile. Great beveling/polishing technique as well.
Isaac, you did everything right in my book. Those return mitred edges is what a master does that has a high degree attention to detail. A lot of tilers would have put a Jolly on there. I work on high end homes and I never see them use those and for good reason. Nice work.
man that miter edge looks so clean
I’ve been using the q-shaped schluter strips. They are really nice, the tile slides into them and hides your cut edge(if you have one)
How weird is it, that get so excited when notification come thru with a new vid from Tilecoach, imo, NOT WEIRD AT ALL😁
1:20 hands as steady as a surgeons, BOOM👍🏻
Really liked that miter profile. Pretty cool, how did that and finished it up, nice!
Have a house remodel project starting soon (2500 sq ft) and also redoing the 3 bathrooms it has, and adding a “small” kitchen in a mother in law suite (type room). Will send some pics if able to.
See ya on the next vid✌🏼
OMG you were in Denver?!? I'm just 1 city over! That's awesome that you're doing jobs here too so that you can point out those differences in Installations, like not being able to install niches in exterior walls. Great job as always & thanks for all the teachings...my wife & I love having you as our tile coach for all our home projects!🤗 God bless!
Great job..im a finish carpenter for 40 yrs but have run quite a bit of tile ..i think i wouldve installed a bullnosed pencil up that side that stood proud of the tile about an 1/8th to 1/4"..looks great with alot less labor, but the miter def is a clean look as well..great job👍
The edge on the plumbing wall is outstanding🍻
So Great! Wish you could do a "working vacation" in Rochester NY and we'd hire you to do our new shower in our extension!
I gotcha 32yrs installing Marble tile and Terrazzo my company is called HARD Rock Marble And Tile pa I'll travel $$$
Beautiful work i dont think i could have done it better myself, when i do my edges i just set my botttom two rows and than slide the profile in, i find the first two rows are enough to lock it in and get it plumb, i dont add thinset all the way up like you did, ill just go ahead and set each row like normal after the first two, thats just my method after trying out a few different ways and i think its the easiest
You are my new hero. About to remodel bathroom and THIS is it!!! Appreciate your know how and skills!
Looks nice. Using te Schluter integrated, low profile, sleek metal shelves is worth considering, too.
Amazing attention to detail, you would throat punch who ever tiled my master shower. First month in the house curb failed, no water proofing at all just a drop in liner, no hydro barrier or even red guard.
That looks awesome - I have done similar and the time taken is well rewarded with a return on the edge of the wall tiles that hugs the wall - excellent !!
I went to a course by the the guy who writr the book on tile inspection and one extra thing he wanted to see more was perpendicular mudding, like vertical on the wall, like you did, them horizontal on the tile. Especially for exterior use.
Don't ever do this. Trowel lines go the same direction. If you cross hatch the trowel lines it traps air bubbles in every empty square that is produced.
Trowel the substrate or the tile in one direction and back butter flat scrape the opposite surface OR trowel both surfaces so that when the tile is placed the trowel lines go the same direction.
I don't know what course you went to or when or where it was, but what you are describing is not an endorsed practice by any construction governing body in the US. Including the IRBC, TCNA, or Schluter Systems.
Nice!!! Mad skillz!! I'm a contractor in StLouis, doing a shower right now (that's about to have mitered edges ;)
Welp, this tip involving the mitered edges came just in time for I'm about to do the outer edging of my field tile into a Schluter jolly edging and was going to "slip" it in (which I think will be difficult and sloppy) from behind the tiles (a method that the YT super-starr uses😛)but now I'll miter my tile edges to fit into the edging. Thanks for the idea.
CLEAN & Strong!! Good stuff Tile Coach and Crew
Good tutorial for setting, love your demeanor Isaac!
Tiling is complicated, thanks for the TCA handbook tip bro!
Was there a need to mitre the edge backing up to the shluter trim? Would a factory edge not be sufficient?
Awesome detail as a noob just trying to learn how to tile over sterling shower combo. thanks.
Can you do a close up of the finished edge?
Why no wedge leveling system being used and no back buttering of tile which I usually see in your other videos. Great job, looks really good.
Your videos are awesome! Very new to tile projects, and appreciate all your insight.
I'm pretty good , as well.
Our knowledge is all based trial and error.
Thanks for teaching me some new techniques
What is best way to size the profile height needed? Example: 12x24 8.1mm thick, using multimax lite with 1/2" notch trowel. Should sizing be 8.1mm + 1/4" for the motor bed = 14.4mm? Not sure what profile height to use.
Nice work, I do the same cut in wood molding however I tile it's just more time consuming
Guy makes it look so easy. It's not that easy. But it can be with lots of practice.
Now you're just showin off. Great work.
Wow, congratulations from NY, excellent job !!! You are the man of tile work.
I guess if you're using the grinder, Next time you can use some of that blue painters tape along the straight cut or factory edge then run the grinder in a greater angle then a 45 , taking more meat off the back which will be covered, and most importantly with the tape it helps guide you for a straighter corner, then you could polish the corner a bit after instatlled and dry, because like this you will likely have a sharp corner.
Thanks for that tip, will use that for sure!
Oh nice. I live in Denver. I have been learning a lot from you.
Hi mate learnt loads from your channel and thank you for that. I've just tiled my bathroom but I'm struggling with one bit. I build a storage box behind the bath tub but need to cut tile trim for it 3 way external edges. Tried looking for a video but can't find what I need. Could you do a video please? Would appreciate it loads
You do such a great job. I am on day four of a bathroom shower. My biggest challenge is getting the wall plum. Could I fill in low spots with mortar, let it set up, then do the tile.
Yes!
Always some kind of information in your video's. Thanks Isaac and crew.!
Beatiful!!! Good job from Tenerife🇮🇨 Spain🇪🇸
I really like your videos...you do it in a very informative way and you can be heard well also.
Everyone else: I want none of that bullcrap!
Issac Ostrom: I want none of that bullnose!
How do you decide whether to back butter or collapse the ridges? Thanks for going in depth for this stuff
Looks like alot of effort with all those small thin pieces
I always learn something from your vids, man. Thanks for taking the time & effort to produce them. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
That looks amazing man! It looks like all the tile its 3/4 thick everywhere from the outside
You sir, are an artist. Thank you for the tutorial. I can't wait to try this.
You guys are god’s of tiling!!
I like you videos, how you explain and the quality of your work. I really would appreciate more close up camera views though.
Without a spacer system. Very nice
I did a little backsplash I think messed up buy butting the cut edge to bullnose factor edges at top 🔝
Nice work. I'm still learning everyday
Received my shirt today. Thanks
Please explain why you mitred the tile edge on a factory finished edge, and why no silicone in the back wall internal angles.
Use an angle paint brush to clean grout joint to avoid a knife as to not chip tile
Beautiful Job!
insane work, you’re a master of your craft
What’s your reason for not backbuttering the tiles before installation?
I have the same question
He stated it wasn’t needed given the thinset he is using and laterally wiggling the tile to collapse the notches in mud.
@@Natedoc808 yes at 7:00.
It also sounds like his personal claim...
I guess he believes that the set magically sucks itself into the tile cavities replacing the air bubbles just because this is the 'only' sticky thinset out there.
This is a 45* Bevel cut. Not a miter cut.
What you are doing is called a Return.
maybe you answered the question in the video but why not use the wet saw for the miter?
Uh, your saw cuts miters …and your “perfectly flat” wall has a huge bow in the middle, and do you do anything else except straight lay pattern? Not a hater, this guy is good…with good info.
perfect. and u used the stabila. perfect.
Hey Tile Coach, awesome job. I am following the exact pattern on my bathroom and have a question, the tiles butting the back wall, did you use the leftover tiles for the back wall (20" back wall, 4" leftover on side) or did you recalculate the layout for the side walls? Thank you!
No back butter ?
Look up the product and read the directions you'll learn more that way.
Did you actually watch this video? This was addressed with references to the industry standards and the manufacturer’s instructions. Start at 6:15
Have the Builder build it right the first time, or charge extra for fixing bad framing
Hey I had a question about Schluter kerdi board. I recently tiled a shower and the plumber installed the shower supply in the wrong location so I had to demo the valve wall and I noticed that after three days the thinset had not cured completely which surprised me. It was below 60 degrees in the 30s at night the house was still under construction so no heat. This made the interior of the bathroom maybe 50 degrees. I used a non modified thinset by custom building products. I was amazed I was able to remove the 12X24 tiles without damaging the kerdi board and scrape the thinset off the walls! I know the temperature aided in this, but I gotta believe the kerdi board did as well! It also makes me worry about the bond! Have you ever experienced this? I don’t use kerdi board often but did in this location because the exterior walls were block walls. I did break every tile I removed but was able to save the kerdi board! Just curious your thoughts?
That's the one thing I don't like about kerdi membrane sometimes when I have to adjust a bullnose on a nitche the next day the bullnose tile comes off way to easy and looks like it does not bond well if I was to try to remove it from durock the tile would come off in pieces (. Good bond). But I have never had a problem with cracked tile or grout with tiles on kerdi so I don't worry about it too much
Great work Isaac. I’m just hoping the camera is at fault with how the drain height is but not sure.
That mitered tile handheld was nicely done. I'd probably ruin all my stock of tiles trying that...
I've done several DYI tile jobs in my house. After watching this video, I want this edge and I don't have skill set to pull it off. Secondly, I was about to install a niche on an exterior wall in Colorado Springs. I still want to but know I'm rethinking that decision. Anyway, do you a recommended installer in COS? Are you in Denver? Would you do a COS install? Thanks!
The wall was plumb to begin with due to the framing of the wall.
It had nothing to do with the tile installation, especially since mastic adhesive is being used.
You did an excellent job!
LOVE the channel I am new, and doing all my research for my DIY project, my only question I have is that how did you CUT the small tile pieces to finish the corner, I understand the 12/24 tile is miter cut, with a schulter finch trim.
Beautiful tile!! I know I am kinda late here, and hope you get this, but with this bigger style tile I don't see you stagger the joints. Is this best practice for this type of bigger tile? I thought you would stagger being a heavier tile for better support; but would love to learn why you chose not to stagger? Looks amazing like this though, you are the man!
I thought the same thing as it's just common in all types of building to stagger edges. If there were ever any type of structural shift in the framing (numerous ways that can happen) it would be better to stagger the joints. But, even the customer has some say and maybe they wanted the tiles lined up...
99 percent of all large size tile layouts are not staggered around the world, they are all straight pattern
Amazing work! Thanks for all your help! God bless!
That's quality work, right there!
Please make a video on floating walls from start to finish
Very nice tiles design