Let's drain this eBike battery to 0% and see what happens | Mountain Biking with the IBIS Oso
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2022
- "I'm very confident I'll make it back without having to push."
We all understand that an eBike will give you extra power, but how long does that power last? How many miles, how many feet of climbing? Every rider and every trail is different, but for this video I took the IBIS Oso from 100% charge to 0%. 150 pound rider + 750 watt hour battery + lots of miles and climbing.
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I'm 40, not in the best condition, but your videos are actually making me want to learn to MTB. I ended up on your channel after a rabbit hole session and I can't stop watching.
It's a great way to get fit!
40 is young
I cycle all my life ,never drove a car but other machines,,my legs started getting old as I, go for it be carefull we do not bounce
If you're interested at all, just do it! It's one of the best parts of my life, and I've done my best riding at 45. It's hard and painful at times, but in a good way. It's like sex, watching videos can be fun, but the real thing is just amazingly better, and it feels good even when it hurts.
The fitness will come!
Educate people on the class 1/2/3 EBIKES! You have a great platform to mention this and our CLASS 1 bikes for these trails. Thanks man and keep up the good content.
he did last video
Yeah he did a great rundown in his last video.
I prefer unrestricted ebikes. 20mph is way slow on the street. Off-road you don't need speed, but as soon as you get on pavement or a dirt road, 26mph plus is where it's at.
All ebikes suck. They break perpetually! Hike up your skirts, grow a set and get a real bike!
@@anthonysears871 real bike = 2 stroke
My eMTB experience you ride further, you ride more often, you have much more fun. GO BKXC!
Absolutely, can’t stand e-bike haters. No one’s forcing you to ride one! It just opens up the sport to so many.
I just got one today and I love it. Actually enjoyed busting a sweat! So much fun. Getting cardio and enjoying it.
Cadence on an e-bike is actually important to pay attention to. A cadence of 80-100 is where the motor is most efficient and will provide you the most "assist". This was told to me by an e-bike dealer at Outerbike Bentonville last year when I was test riding one and based on experience the bike does like you spinning like your a roadie.
That depends on the motor, Bosch published that best is near 77 and above but less than 100. Brose would be around 80-90rpm. we can say between 77-100 is the best range for e-biking. Upper threshold will burn your legs :) and be great cardio training, imagine doing that for 3h straight, with breathing fresh air and looking at the nice views.
"A cadence of 80-100 is where the motor is...." It's also been proven to be more efficient for the human body. There's a reason professional racers do pedal along a 50 rpm and they pedal 90 rpm or above. The mtb motors do negate this somewhat but spinning is better for you than grinding.
sooo what is Cadence? I'm not familiar with the word and looking at dictionary doesnt explain much in a motor/ebike sense haha. if someone could please explain =D
@@chaosreunited Cadence is how fast you’re pedaling. If you have a timer on your bike, count how many times one of your pedals does a full rotation for six seconds and multiply this by 10. It will only
Be a rough estimate but it’s only six seconds to keep track of and you can do it easily. I usually start when the timer hits a four and the. Count until it hits the next even ten figure. Like start at 24 and count until it hits 30. Of course the longer you can count, the more accurate your cadence or RPM will be.
@@fredman1085 I read Lance Armstrongs book back in the 90's and immediately went out and got a HR monitor and cadence meter. And that was the beginning of my need for tech on my mountain bike. I still want a power meter for my Enduro bike. No, there is no need for it on that type of bike, but I still want it.
Dude. I can’t tell you how much I love watching your riding and listening to your commentary. You have such a great, realistic outlook on life. You are a great advocate for all bikers! Keep on Rollin’!
I have a YT Decoy and the effect it has had on my mountain bike experience has been nothing short of phenomenal! Being able to "self-shuttle" means more laps and I'm wasted long before the battery even gets to 50%.
Amen, I have 2 and ride the heck out of them. Fun factor is amazing.
With the added weight of the ebike I’ve found eco-mode is necessary to just plain pedal. So if you can ride in eco all the time it’s still a workout. My lbs owner rides Rocky Mountain E-bike, I heard him say Ebikes make mtb everything it should be. I think he meant increased range, difficulty of terrain and overall ride time based on our convo.
Great video Brian
Great video Brian. Fun to watch.
Great information; I am sharing this with my friends who bike. They are excited about this bike.
Would love to see more of these rides. Totally loving my 2 Decoys.
Have multiple batteries and do epic rides. As a matter of fact doing Palm Canyon Epic tomorrow. At 63 I can still do the long rides and frequently do 35 plus many thousands of ft. in elevation. Longest ride so far is 52 plus with almost 7k elevation. Fun fun fun.
I do enjoy you sharing your rides. 👍
That was an awesome test. Thanks for that :)
Man - you tested that bike - I have never seen you bail more than once during a ride - Good stuff!
Brian...Can't believe you made it all the way back without having to push that thing! Great trail nav!!!!
Another word of advise to your grabbing easier gears for the climbs. I found that if I try to keep it in the middle power range and POWER through the pedals you put a ton of strain on the chain and cassette. I learned that getting into easier gears for the climbs and not changing gears under a load greatly reduced how many chains i was breaking and the rear cassete. You still get an amazing workout. Plus it helps with your standard bike endurance. I person on a horse the other day stated i was cheating and my reply was "we both are riding assisted platforms and isnt it enjoyable". You need an EBIKE club because not a lot of people in my crew to ride with.
Serviced a ton of full suspension bikes that have snapped chain due to that very reason
as if he's concerned with that.. sponsors giving him everyhting
I ride a Specialized Levo and it’s a lot of fun. I ride mostly in the trail mode and use low gears to pull steep climbs; turbo mode uses a lot of battery on climbs. I carry a spare battery in a backpack, so range anxiety isn’t an issue. Thank you for the zero battery test ride.
Nice video. I bought my Trek Rail-7 last March of this year and I love it. It's reinvigorated my riding. Of course, I'm a little older than you, by 23 years, and between asthma and the beginnings of arthritis in my knees, e-bike was really my only option of continuing to mtb. Believe me, I resisted for years but I eventually gave in. And for those young bucks who think we should all quit rather than switch to an e-bike, I'd like to hear you say that when you're in your sixties and still want to ride but simply can't enjoy it due to the pain.
I also do like climbing so I actually try to ride everything in Eco mode and only switch to Tour when I'm truly exhausted or out of shape, like I am now, I've barely ridden since August due to house projects:) A big but of course is I don't think most of my parks have those giant hills like you were doing. If they did, I'd certainly power up too.
As far as using more power the faster you go or the more climbing you do, as you stated, of course. I find it kind of sad that people can't figure this out. If you're driving your car at 90 mph or 55 mph, which do you think will get better mileage? The same physics are involved whether the engine is combustion, electric, or flesh. Faster burns more calories, hence will tire you out faster. People can walk a LOT further than they can run. Some of this is training your muscles to run but even then, trained runners can walk much further than they could run.
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Brian you should bring the e-bike to tamarancho! Very e-bike friendly and really great trails for it, climb up than lap the flow trail!
Just got a EMTB a few weeks ago, what a game changer! At 54 yes old let’s me get after it again and do things I never could! Always had problems with uphill obstacles and switch backs, not any more!
Hey Brian. You got an e-bike. I wasn't expecting that. I got one a year ago as I get a achy back now on long steep climbs. It now enables me to get back out with the mtb club I have been in for 28 years. I have a Specialized Carbon SL comp. It weighs 38lb. I found I didn't need boost. I made trail setting the top setting. Eco second and the first setting even less help which is the one I use the most. Long climbs 2nd setting. Short very steep the third setting. 33 miles in the Lake District and 40% left on the batter. I'm getting my confidence back on steep rocky trails. Still loving your enthusiasm and videos.
That’s a lovely trail!! I love my ebike its good bike to train on helping to regain strength but still have fun.
Beautiful ride!
Preach Brian! Bikes for all!
That low BB smashing into rocks is ridiculous and so is the rattle and giant handlebar screens 😂
Looking forward to the Colorado videos you mentioned!
Awesome bike and the fact that you can bump up the travel to 190 front and 170 rear, is always welcome. However, the have to come up with a sturdy motor cover soon, because the same issue happened in an other test ride of the bike. This is due to the very low bottom bracket height compared to other similar travel e bikes, so bumping up the travel and a stronger motor cover would solve this issue
Awesome man! I did a TURBO mode only range test and was super fun!
One of my favorite things about ebikes is that when you ride in a group of other ebikers the disparity between riders is much less. Instead of waiting at the top of a climb for anywhere from 15min to 45min for the slowest rider to get to the top it’s more like 5min or less.
You can go riding with a friend who doesn’t go out as much and still stay together during the ride for the most part. On days when you’re alone and need to get a ride in but don’t have all day, you can still get in a 15 mile ride in an hour or less. It’s pretty great!
I love being able to talk and tell stories with my friends on the climb--instead of being shelled off the back and riding by myself!
I just dis the bike park day. It is closed already so only shuttle is your e-mtb, but the climbs are brutal. Over 4000 feet in just 15,5 miles and thats total, including going down. Still had 48% battery left on my Turbo Levo 2021 with 700 wh battery. I was long dead before the bike… 🤣
Currently on Ripmo, and think Ibis is a great company. I think their approach to the ebike is clever. The cockpit clutter however is horrific.
We charge batteries by forcing electricity through them in the "opposite" direction. An "empty" battery doesn't provide much resistance as it's own voltage is low so the charger can drive current through it easily to charge it. As the charge in the battery pack gets higher, the voltage from the charger needed to overcome the battery's own voltage increases. This lower difference of voltage between the charger and battery leads to a smaller current flowing through the circuit leading to lower charge rate.
This is a gross oversimplification. There are some other things going on too. :)
Wonderful to have on hand for little ones.
Looks EPIC! 😍👌🏼🤟🏼
Selling my Ripley V4. Really like to try something like this! Ibis is my favorite by far!
I have a Rossignol emtb and broke the motor cover into three pieces on maybe the third ride. Replaced it then covered it with a rubber guard.
Awesome epik bike and The trail 🤘💪👍❤❤❤
Spinal Tap reference, heck yes bröther!
As to your question about deer, bucks are just more elusive, you will rarely see them out in broad daylight, where as does are everywhere. I’m not an expert as to why, but I know this to be the case
Also bucks have a shorter life span fighting and breeding creates a lot of stress
The E-bike allows you great explorations of places like Henry Coe. I've done 60 miles & 13,000' of climbing there. You can go way back in
Late to the party, and it's a heavy old rig. Not sure about the bolt on screen either? there's a lot of much cleaner, integrated units out there. Pro's and Con's I guess, but not the prettiest bike out there is it? Interested to see your longer term thoughts on it. Not sure I can handle 'battery stress' just yet👍😅
I’m not sold yet. I know they have a market place, but the sound alone and the constant checking of your power drain is taking the simplicity out of mountain biking. Someday maybe until then I’ll enjoy what I have.
Yeah that’s what holds me back as well. Check out the new Trek Fuel EXe, it’s hella light and the asynchronous ring drive system from TQ is dragless and nearly silent, no joke.
The XT version comes in at like 38 pounds which is insane for an e-full suspension
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 aside from the motor sound from ex-e, all the super light e-mtbs are around 38-42 lbs.. or a heavy enduro, which can also be pedaled with the battery off. Some of them you can remove the battery too like the full-sized emtbs if you want a trail bike weight 32lbs approx. regular bike to ride, pop in the battery and boom your able to switch back and forth between off and on whenever you want.
That will be the future. An all in one bike with adjustable geo, suspension that can be adjusted on the fly, super light, emtb capable, and quiet.. They are practically already there.
Great bike review! Good job for a nonpro reviewer. Looking for an equivalent review for the Evil Epochalypse.
Wow what a good skill
Nice video sir
Yep fun factor is pretty good . Says a lot.
I'd be interested to see what Trailforks elevation has for this ride. It usually has more than Strava too!
I couldn't find any info on which type of sensor it uses - cadence or torque?
Looks like an Amazing E-bike trail, can you not ride all trails in the US on an E-bike? Here in Europe the pedal assist bikes max 25 km p/h are classed the same as normal bikes.
So which is the better direction on that Rim Rock trail?
Very cool to see how it drains. Hard to tell from the video but is it hard to keep the front end down. Do you find yourself transitioning more to the front of the bike on climbs vs the ripmo?
"A cadence of 80-100 is where the motor is" Funny you mention this but I find it difficult to keep the front down if I'm starting from a standstill on a steep climb, you push to get going but then the motor over compensates and throws the front end up. I have to remember to dial down the power just to get going. This is just my personal experience.
On those Turns where you could not make it, would you normally do with Ripmo? Seemed like the extra weight was giving you some issues.
I'll be 65 in January and 80 in 15 years. I'll still be riding my mountain bike. 🚵
Love to hear that!
This bike is awsome
Hey Brian, when are you installing a SRAM AXS on this eBike?
did the lights still work with 0%?
I’ve got an electric dirt bike and it’s awesome but obviously isn’t allowed at bike parks and stuff so it’s cool to see there are bikes that actual help pedaling a significant amount I always thought it’d be just heavy and hard to use but they’re clearly very agile, and they look cool
Yep it is great on Alpine/ATCA with my ebike....altho not right now due to forest fire smoke dominating....
They need to develope some regenerative breaking to add charge to the he battery going down hill or a generator like they had on bikes years ago that was used for a light Maybe get 100s of miles on one charge with those generating applications .
impossible cause it would work like permanent active brake on your wheels, which makes the bike uncontrollable on dirt
Absolutely LOVE seeing ya on a ebike…..
FINALLY !!!!!
What You want to convey - at 17:06 - is that cycling is 'inclusive' sport - allowing more ppl to join - not 'excluding' competittive sport.
If you ever see an angry mountain lion on a trail, you better pray you’re in an e-bike😂😂😂
Cool motorbike
Awesome 👍🏼👍🏼
Henry Coe State Park is a ways from you but that would be a fun place to push yourself the the eMTB. Since it's a CA state park, it's all eMTB legal for your channel content too.
one word... OSOmmmmm!!!
Love watching these videos. I totally get the benefit of the e-bike….. but that whirring sound would drive me insane. And yes, I’m one of those A-Holes that run Onyx hubs 😳
You don't hear it when you pedal though unlike the ebike
At least you are self-aware 😂
So the question is: does this compare to other e-bikes? Is this in the "average" as far as range? For me personally, an e-bike would only be worth it if it would allow me to do some epics like Super Strawberry of all of Mt Wilson down here in SoCal. I also wonder what the impact is on range if you're towing a bob for trailwork?
" an e-bike would only be worth it if it would allow me to do some epics like Super Strawberry of all of Mt Wilson down here in SoCal." A lot of that would depend on your riding style and power mode(s) you use and how much in each mode. You'll get a ton of mileage out of Eco mode, less so the further up the assist mode you go. Also, as he stated, the harder you push, the more battery is used. As well, as how much you weight, is the terrain - sandy, muddy, hard packed. Battery size is also important for ride length.
There are a ton of variables to consider.
I have a 2022 giant trance e +1, I’m getting similar numbers as Brian but with a 626wh battery and I’m 220lbs…but the trance is a trail bike but I don’t think that really matters.
HI QUESTION IF YOU RAN OUT OF POWER COULD YOU RIDE THE BIKE WITHOUT POWER TO YOUR DESTINATION?
Nice!!!
You should do a series 50 states of climbing stuff.
Do ebikes have regen?
I’m the U.k we don’t have E-Bike legal trails just mountain bike and bridal trails they are used by horses mountain bikes and E-Mountain bikes but I will say this e bikes are really good fun 🤩
That’s insane amount of elevation, I can get 25 miles on my Giant with a 625 wh battery, but more like 4200 ft of climbing…I feel the 2022 trance e does almost better because I’m pushing 220lbs, Brian is what 150 or 160?
Yes, you're correct. For ppl with really ultra-high endurance + muscle to fat ration - eBike - does exactly the same, extends their abilities even further. I mean: they will go much further than unfit (ale e-MTB can dose support wisely) and can go much more elevation. eMTB keep however them involved, there is no worries that you'll loose your fitness, you will just ride ridiculously long trips or multiple laps, progressing quicker etc.
u need to get Singletrack Sampler onboard and ride Class1 eMTBs together again lol
I did get a kick out of your 5,000 ft of climbing back on your Ripmo....You really thought something was wrong with your bike...LOL...I have yet to go back to one of my old race bikes a 26"er and do my same eBike to experience the difference...You got me worried as you have only a couple rides on your eBike and I've put in 1000 miles on mine and worried I'll think I;'m dragging an anchor...LOL. My old Ventana weighs 22 lbs and my eBike weighs 54...my only complaint with the weight is definitely there no "popping" off of jumps unless you can see way down the trail for a good landing spot...
what size Batt?
is it me or is that bike rattly for new? might be the mic setup? just sounds 'loose'
I don't get opposition in America to eBikes.
Here in the UK I don't know of anywhere they can't go that manuals can.
My girlfriend would NEVER have gotten on a manual. Now she's got the eBike, she's hooked on riding.
I think it comes down to erring on the side of caution. I think They think that if you let e-bikes in then people will start riding e-motorcycles on the trails on the trails. You know, give them an inch - they'll take a mile. And yes, they could specify "class 1" as permitted, but then they'd have to train the authorities in the differences and it's just easier to say "no" to all e-bikes.
I would love to ride there on my xc bike
How many watts is your batteries ?
Cool but a bit clanky isn't it? Sounds like it's falling apart or like a plasticky boxy thing.
just 13k, you can always buy a new one
The motor shuts off at 4% because this bike has the lights powered by the motor. A european (or maybe just german) law says when the bike powers the lights, they have to give 2h of light after the motor Power is drained. Normally this is about 10%.
Thats why only the dealer can switch your light ports on the motor on/off
Well on walk mode it isn’t required to drag 150 pounds up a hill, sure thing it takes less energy… 😁👍
I’m 53. I live in MI. E bikes are not allowed on our MTB trails as of yet. I’m hoping the restrictions are adjusted to allow for these bike on local trails. As I continue to age and deal with injuries I’m concerned that some trails will be too difficult for me to ride due to the climbs. A little assistance up some steep hills will probably be necessary by the time I am 60.
Typically if you contact the entity that controls the trails (BLM, US Forest service) and provide them with a doctors note stating g you can’t ride without the assist they will give you special permission. Not always, but worth a shot.
@@ndeezy1000 I don’t need it yet but I’m thinking and preparing for the future. Hopefully my body hold up 😆
I live in Michigan and ride my Levo SL everywhere. Never had anyone say anything to me.
I don't get opposition in America to eBikes.
Here in the UK I don't know of anywhere they can't go that manuals can.
My girlfriend would NEVER have gotten on a manual. Now she's got the eBike, she's hooked on riding.
According to my Strava, my walking and running both consume about the same amount of calories.
IMO, E-bikes are here to stay, and will likely become more prominent in all aspects of biking, probably even pro competitions at some point. All those who are die hard mountain bikers who want to ride for as much of their life as possible. How you gonna get to the top when when you're 60? 70? 80?(if we're lucky) not saying everyone will be out of shape at those ages, but most likely will be. That being said, I'm young(29), I'm relatively new to MTB, and found out today I weigh double of what Brian does, lol. I gotta drop some of these pounds, so I'm gonna stay on human powered. But if E-bikes come down in price enough, I'd jump on board!
Pro Ebike xc and enduro already exist
basically pro level power on all Emtb's
how much is that bike ?
I don't understand why it's not possible to go on a trail with an E-bike and a regular bike. The principle is the same. You have to know how to ride a bike. In Europe, or at least in Portugal, E-bikes and regular bicycles look the same. We need to cycle to use it.
keep up the good trails. The way you ride is the same as mine... Going up and down without any discrimination! Good trails!
Brian why are you breathing heavier on the uphills on the oso than you do on the Ripmo 😂
good
Awesome video, I ride a 2020 giant reign ebike. I mostly use the bike in Eco mode. The boost from Eco mode makes the e-bike feel almost like a regular bike. Get a lot more range and more of a workout than going full power. When it comes to certain climbs I'll boost up the power but then reduce it right back to eco mode when I finish the climb. I still prefer an analog bike going downhill just because of the nimbleness but, nothing like an e-bike to take you up Pretty much any hill.
I wate for your video
Great video but, man is that bike noisy!
I see on this bike a Marin wolf ridge ?????
I think the power calculation should mainly involve you. Answer this question: How fast do you need to get to X, and how much do you want to ride using power assist? My bet is that you will last longer than the battery in any case, so aim to conserve your strength.
Noooo!! You went to the darkside!!!!!!!!😉😪😢
24:45 Tyler Durden might have a chance of winning.
This bike was really easy to assemble ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.