Are eBikes Killing Normal Bikes?
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Welcome to Episode 8 of the Recharge Podcast. In this episode, we tackle a big question: “Are regular pedal bikes dead?” Join hosts Rob, Doddy, Adam, and Will as they debate the future of traditional bikes in the e-bike era.
This week, we have our first guest, Doddy on the show. We discuss:
• The evolution of bike brands and the rise of e-bikes.
• Dream build specs for the ultimate mountain bike.
• The pros and cons of e-bikes vs. regular pedal bikes.
Share your thoughts in the comments. Are you Team E-Bike or Team Pedal Bike?
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Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
0:14 - Welcoming Our First Guest
0:33 - Guest’s Travel and Experiences
1:50 - Evolution of Bike Brands
5:56 - Are Regular Pedal Bikes Dead?
18:00 - E-Bike Market and Trends
31:00 - Dream Build Specs
45:00 - Future of E-Bikes - Спорт
Thanks for having me guys! Was fun hanging out and chatting bikes. Currently in Avoriaz with a 180/165mm Dune, with SX motor. It’s been incredible the last few days - I’d say better handling than both full fat and non-EMTBs.
Thanks for coming in! Enjoy your bike trip, your pics on Insta stories make me very jealous, looks like an epic place to ride!
wheres your video on the tq motor doddy? heard you mention it in the pod but could not see it on your channel
I've a Dune RR on order. Happy days!
@@leavemealoam ua-cam.com/video/AWMGVpDR_Yo/v-deo.htmlsi=zHRYtcsS28UYepu-
1) Good to see Doddy again.
2) Even a 5k price point for an E-mtb is a big ask for us lower paid working class types.
3) Most singletrack can't sustain more than 15.5 mph or more when it winds a lot, but on the straight flats, yeah 17 mph is haul'n but not uncommon..maybe fire roads I can push it 20 mph. On the roads such as riding to my local trailhead...15.5 mph is too slow. So depends right? If all one can afford is just one 5k emtb and multi needs arise, such as for commuters, then 20 mph makes more sense for a universal maximum (Class 1, no throttle, 20 mph). I've ridden a Euro-tune 15.5 mph, sorry it feels like dragging a parachute when that limiter kicks in. It wouldn't go lower than 17.5 mph max...maybe that is the "international" best practice guidelines?
you can 100% have walk mode in the US. idk where you got that from
EBikes on the trails are fine but they dont want Saurons on the trails. Its basically an e dirt bike imo
This is why public education of the different classes of e-bikes is so important.
Agreed, I own 2 28mph ebikes and it's dangerous to go that fast on a trail, I stick to around 20mph max, 15mph avg.
Huh no wonder why I'm constantly fighting with ebike haters. I have a super light motor ebike in comparison. Sur-ron is a monster!
8 years on gen 1 levo, derestricted the motor 2 years ago to 25 mph, then back to 20 mph when I got a new motor and I keep it there now due to warranty reasons. I really liked the 25 mph setting, it was pretty hard to hit the wall at 25, but now I am constantly hitting the wall at 20 mph, I think 15 mph would be maddening.
what you guys are missing..is the flow section right after a 20mph+ down hill section to immediate uphill section and you can't keep your speed up ...the feeling sucks that's why I want unrestricted...your restriction should be defined by you gear ratios not a artificial speed set by government...freedom brothers freedom
Second that!
15 mph is way too slow. Trail speed is higher than 15 mph half the time. It should be at least 20 maybe 25
To each their own but I’m itching to pick up an e-bike soon. I work a physical job and as much as I appreciate a good sufferfest, when I’m off work I want to be able to crank out as many laps as possible on my local trails without feeling devastated after a long day of work.
Yeah, I’m not riding to suffer, I’m riding to have the most fun I can in what little time I have to do it. Staying fit in the process is just a bonus!
Thanks to Doddy for coming in to chat with us!
Ebikes arent more popular in the US indeed because of stupid regulations here…hands down. We do have a few sour peddlers worried their strava times will be beat so they love to hate on others. Having no where to ride locally is the killer. So tired of the erosion excuses as well. BS.
@@josephr5902 Hi from South Wales in the UK couldn’t believe it when I first heard that over the pond they actually ban e-bikes from most trails 🤯 we are fortunate here that I have around 12- 15 trails within an hours drive and Bike Park Wales is 40 mins from the house surely as the e-bike market share gets bigger in the US they will have to open up the trails for e-bikes over with you ? 🤷♂️
@@davefreeman9347 sure hope so. Bike parks here allow them but not everyone can afford to go there regularly, not to mention its the one place they are not needed bc of lifts/shuttles. I have a heart condition and had a pacemaker since my teens, would so appreciate an ebike.
(?) With the rain you guys get, have you had any issues with battery/motor getting wet? Its something that has scared me.
Best podcast so far. You need a special guest once a week. Can you increase my weekly fix to daily please please 😉
@@MarioGoatse how about you just leave
I think the main reason people de-restrict their bikes is not so much for the assistance to take them to 20+mph, but more to negate the mechanical drag of the motor over the assistance cut off. Those who have ridden the bosch gen 2 & 3 will know its like riding through treacle whilst dragging an anchor!!
My thoughts about derestriction. You are limited by gearing. You're still gonna be capped at 28-32 mph at best. I've run a Levociratptor on my Levo for a couple of years now. My average speed on most rides is about 12 mph. Max is usually 25 - 30 and I only hit that on fire roads typically. If the levo didn't feel like I dropped an anchor at the 20 mph cutoff, I would have never unlocked it.
Really does feel like the motor is fighting you. Would be nice if it just stopped helping, but it actively keeps you from going any faster.
Im 61 and ride a lot at Sherwood Pines which is relatively flat. 15MPH is pathetic because a the fun zone speed around the 9 mile loop is between 18 and 23. That means that I would need to push a Bosch motor above the assist level for the entire lap which is no fun and no easier than a regular pedal bike so I run a Volspeed V4 which has a 28mph limit which I rarely hit on the flat.
I find the speed limiter is rarely an issue on the trail. When I'd really like a higher limit is to be able to ride to the trail instead of having to load the bike and drive to the trail head. And for longer commutes etc.
I forget they exist really. Yesterday I was reminded that the motor only goes so fast when I turned down a fire road I had just climbed and put in a few pedal strokes. Motor said "nah" at 20mph but that was okay, gravity gave me and extra 10 on top of that in a hurry. I was glad for good brakes.
Full power and higher speed restrictions. You should be able to pedal your e-bikes as fast as you can with a regular bike. I can pedal my regular mountain bike up to 30mph on flat ground and I should be allowed to do the same on my ebike. As Rob describes, it can be dangerous not having enough speed to clear jumps etc. Also, the US does have walk mode and don’t dare suggest we should have a 15mph limit!
Yeah I was like “don’t you dare put more restrictions on us!!!!”
100% agree with "don't dare suggest we should have a 15mph limit!"
I've ridden bikes for over three decades and sincerely when I first tried an ebike a whole new world has been opened... I'd never go back to "normal bikes" again.
For "real mountainbikers" I am a heretic, I like both E-bike and as my wife says "without-E-bikes". I unlocked my ebikes because I hate to be parented by regulations.
But I still love the handling of my old YETI ASR-S, sure my E-bikes climb faster but the agility is unmatched. Like Doddy said a perfectly fitted bike, could be a classic or old school bike rebuild with todays performance parts, is a realy enjoyable ride. In the old days we didnt have dropper posts, those alone are a revelation. I used a lot of indestructible heavy duty old stuff on the build, a Raceface Diabolus downhill headset, crankarms and a Mavic wheelset but the bike feels still light and nible, and for a 15year old bike it looks verynice in all black with white and red details
I went back to a "normal" bike in the end after getting an E-Bike in 2017. I found you simply don't get the sense of achievement with a E-Bike. At the end of the day, a lot of what you do on the E-Bike is not your own doing, it is done by the motor. I have nothing against E-Bikes, each to their own I say.
@@teamdoa im totally with you on that, that been out when you have finished riding i simply dont get that on an e bike, love e bikes and have one, just doesnt give me that full satisfied feeling of a normal bike
@teamdoa I like technical climbing and on ebike there's lots of challenge and satisfaction doing that... perhaps you have a different approach but for me closing a difficult passage on ebike is really satisfying... about competition I really don't care... never run a race and i have never been interested in that... different point of view but I'm absolutely convinced in mine considering the experience I've had on bike.
@@nicolapellegrino1072 you mean its easier on an e bike? As riding an e bike just makes it easier, thats my view on riding an e bike
When it comes to new bikes I still want that bigger battery with at least 85nm and don’t want to compromise with downgrading forks to 36’s I still want the 38’s
@SomeguysTrailrides he might want more comfort I guess or hope they give us that ? I currently have an old cross country 120mm i upgraded what i could from low end rock shox to fox 34 120mm to keep the original geometry but man I did almost 60minutes of downhill at like 30mph on easy but very rocky trails my behind and shoulders are not happy at all >
I agree with Doddy. I have had a decade on normal MTBs and when wanting an Ebike, I was looking for a bike that felt as close to a non-Ebike as possible but could extend the time and distance I could ride and getting up the climb as fast possible wasn't as big a deal to me. The Levo SL fitted that requirement. There's definitely a market for the lightweight bikes and there's still a lot of people like me that still like to physically push themselves, and my short travel Stumpy fills that need.
I ride an E160 and in Australia we have the 15mph/25km limit but I found it too dangerous when it comes to maintaining speed and learning to jump as it seemed to taper off towards the upper limit. Switched to the US 20mph/32km speed and find it perfect.
Hmmmm....
Question:
Why aren't analog bikes restricted?
I can achieve a much, much higher speed on my acoustic compared to me Eeb.
Surely that's more dangerous and factoring the higher forces involved negates any argument about trail damage etc etc?
I completely agree with Rob about the speed limiters for a good reason: Sometimes when on bigger terrain or jumps you need to kick down to recoup lost speed. You can all say just pedal harder but I can kick out 700ws under peak and it's like hitting a wall. Enough so that I can see it being problematic for ebikes clearing obstacles that analog bikes can.
Hello from Marin County! In the last 2 days I've ridden over 100km of Mtb trails in the GGNRA and at Tamarancho with my Canyon Spectral On CF8 (900w). Could not have done that on a Mtb, but with an Emtb I can ride for days and days and days.... Going out again today for about 20k. Still have an acoustic, but only for jump parks. Love your show!
I used to have a Focus Jam2 set at the US 20mph motor and i absolutely support the idea of upping the limit to 20mph. It’s so much more natural to the feel of the bike. It’s hard romped fast enough to go higher than that and never feels frustrating or that you’ve hit a brick wall.
Having 15.5mph limit is so annoying!
If the government has concerns about electric scooters, they should be captured by a separate law.
Best guest ever met him this year at Sea otter. Then purchased 170/165mm Dune RR, with SX motor. 🙂
32kph all day, everyday. I hit the limiter on trails regularly. Top speed is typically lower on the 29er Rail than on a 2019 27.5 Trance. While average speed on the Rail is higher. Hitting the speed limiter is like biking through treacle.........
Why not a 32kph constant speed limiter combined with a x sec 40kph burst allowance? Like an overboost feature that only lasts for x time and only if certain parameters are met, like cadence of 120 for 6 pedal rotations unlocks 10 sec speed boost for as long as you maintain cadence......
I still ride my single speed hard tail 29r for times I know I can only ride less than an hour. Pretty rare these days as even if I'm pressed for time I can just change up the ride to session some downhill sections/jumps and really dial in timing, technique, etc...
Also, I live in the midwest USA and the heat/humidity have really been keeping me from riding as much in summer months since 2018 when I had a heat injury during a road race (on a tandem with my college age daughter that was also melting down).
Since getting the emtb (Giant Trance X E+ 29 20mph) fall 2022, I can go on days I would have had to pass since the emtb can help me stay out of that red zone when climbing where my core body temp soars out of control - the added air speed from the assist makes a huge difference. Having a bike with more travel than my single speed or even my Giant Anthem X (100/100) is just a lot more fun too.
I live in the US and our local trails just started allowing EMTB's last year in 2023. It's still a pretty taboo subject for many riders, people love to hate them, but the mindset is starting to change. Im seeing way more ebikes than a year ago.
Very good discussions, I love the differences of opinion, which clearly represent the differences out there.
2 things, 1 I don't get discussing in certain debates on speed limits on EMTB's, I agree that for an MTB or EMTB, there is no use in exceeding 15 mph on trails (flat and uphill) on the other hand everyone exceeds 20+ mph going downhill, engine or not. On the road, trained cyclists well exceed 28 mph with their 5-10 kg bikes and their power. The only difference with EMTB is that everyone regardless of physical fitness can reach these speeds. So there are many things missing when we debate the limit speeds on EMTB's AND E BIKES.
New to the channel, new to EMTB. I am on a new Orbea Rise H10 with a few factory upgrades, I only have this because it was such a great deal at 35% off. I'd been looking for the right bike for a while, well riding my Trek Fuel which I still love. My Trek still has a place, I still use it from time to time to ride with friends who don't have EMTB. All this said, hands down my Rise feels better, to me. I love that bike, it flows so much nicer. I understand, they are different bike, different goe, Fox Factory verses DVO and I'm getting older. I like the help, I like being able to do a 30K day at a trail centre verses a 15K day in the same amount of time and believe it or not. My fitness level has gone up this season on the EMTB. Great to see Doddy by the way.
Re the speed limits here in New Zealand, most EMTB's are sold with a 32kph cutoff point (as my own EMTB has), and it's great. There is a guy here, who is getting the EP8/EP801 (can't remember which one specifically) road bike versions with the 45kph limits on them, and swapping them out on peoples Shimano powered e-bikes.
Re the 32kph limit motors though, I'm fat and old, and on more flat and flow trails, it's not uncommon to hit it when out by myself and having a quick 'fun' / 'blow the cobwebs out' ride! Anything less re max speed assist limit would do my head in in all reality.
25kph in most of Europe we rented one with a friends we managed to do 27kph but that's about it
2- In the US, the majority of the EMTBS (hard tails) and E BIKES has class 1-2-3 (so can reach 28 mi/h) and a throttle now. The limit is 750W motors, in Canada 500 W; regardless of these "limitations", there are 1000+ watts motors everywhere). There are even more and more EMTBS hard tails mid drives with throttles.
My e-gravel bike (which can also turn into e-road with wheel swap) cuts of at 25 km/h and I'm usually pedalling at 30 km/h. At least the rule can be 35 km/h outside populated areas.
that normal vs eeb conversation got funny. I got both ride both, i dont feel i miss out not taking my ebike somewhere. For me the ebikes replaced the uplift at big places, opened up places to explore. Theres a few places round surrey ive gone on the ebike learnt the trails then gone back on my normal. They both have a place in my shed. Also if your a trail builder ebike is the dream for carrying stuff in and running tracks in.
the only reason I want an ebike...going up to reach mountain trails I would never have considered if I had to muscle pedal my way up, pretty sure it would be impossible actually, the motor doesn't care if you bump into a rock going uphill but my legs sure do my torque goes to zero and i stop dead extremely hard on legs, I unknowingly ascended a local downhill trail last week it was the most difficult pedaling I have ever done, realized my mistake only when I saw the homemade jumps >
Great show guys. Congrats!
My feeling on the ebike vs MTB...
I have had my Canyon Spectral On for 9 months and I absolutely love it. When I go out on my own, I almost always prefer it to my Neuron classical. However, what I enjoy most of all is my weekly 5 hour Trail route with my MTB group which are 90% classical MTB and I always go on my Neuron classical. There is nothing to compare to the comradeship of slogging it out on climbs and bombing decents with your group mates with only your own physical capabilities for getting you round.
Another good reason for not abandoning the classical MTB is that it is a great motivation for keeping in shape - especially the weight. If you only go out on an ebike, it doesn't really matter if you put on a few kilos. But my word, it really does matter when on a classical MTB and you are trying to keep up with your mates.
On a point Doddy covered about % of sales I read somewhere that mondrakers e-bike sales has just surpassed their analog bike sales worldwide I think this will be a common occurrence across brands and if you don’t have an e-bike offering I think you will struggle to remain competitive, personally I ride a Trek Fuel EXe with the TQ motor my first e-bike and I absolutely love it natural feel with a little bit of help and still feel like Ive had a good workout at the end of the ride great podcast guys 👊
Am the only one who sees that the industry is missing a BIG opportunity with the E-Mtb 'format'.
Current E-Mtb marketing sales expects the same "sell a full bike to the biker every 2-3 years" ... Clearly this sales model is becoming increasingly problematic, especially in the more expensive E-Mtb portions of the market, effectively pricing lots of "curious to experiment, but shallow of pocket" types out of E-mtb market. My fantasy is for an E-Mtb format bike that you can just buy as a pedal bike to begin with no battery or engine just a bolt in "BB" and normal drive train, but then you can buy a gear box or a 65nm engine or 85nm, or a belt drive system, etc, etc. This way everyone who wants to can get into party can and we can experiment with different drive systems without it being a 5K+ investment, the industry gets a massive user base of owners buying fairly pricey major upgrades maybe 2-3 times over the life of a frame
It could help to slow down the dev cycle of frames too, not force manufacturers to put new frames out every year just to maintain sales. Think it would lower burden of dev costs too by spreading dev cycles. over more financial
Just think there is big opportunity thats not being explored yet with OBVIOUS modularity of E-mtb format frames.
the assisted speed that would satisfy most EMTB riders is completely dependant on the types of trail they ride. Personally I never found the existing 15.5 mph limit an issue except perhaps one trail I ride which has short ramp jumps but is mostly flat. The result is that it becomes difficult to achieve the right speed to take those jumps. Most of the trails I ride are downhill so gravity does the job of acheving the right speed. I also dont ride tarmac.
The big question for ebikes is if we will see the same trend as for electric cars, which is where system voltage creeps up and up because ultimate, the power (and importantly the specific power, ie the power per unit volume) goes up as voltage goes up. Today, iirc in saying all ebikes sit at under 60vdc so as to remain unconstrained by the various directives that cut in at around 60vdc, above which, a focus on electrical safety with regard to electric shock risk mitigation starts. However, pushing say from 48V to 82V would see the size of the motor drop by half approximately......
32kph/20mph is a perfect balance. Helps with trail access by keeping assisted speed reasonable, but keeps the flowy trails flowy.
BTW, we have walk mode in the US, but it is a little too slow. Wish it could be a 1.5mph limit.
The daily Strava leaderboards for MTB where I ride are almost empty now, everyone's on E-MTBs now.
AWESOME SHOW. Great to see Doddy on your show!!!!!!! I REALLY enjoyed this show . Keep it up.
I have an E-bike and a Mountain bike. It’s hard for me to ride my mountain bike. I know I will get fitter if I ride my mountain bike but I don’t enjoy, over all the ride. I have far more smiles when riding my e-bike. But when it comes to corners my mountain bike absolutely destroys the E-bike. Having both is best !!!!
I think we need a universal eBike speed, 20 mph. Rob is correct, 20 mph is perfect, I'm from the States and we do have walk mode here. my perfect travel is 180/180 170/170 range, we still have a lot of trails not open to Class1 eMTBs but we cont to work on it but we have made progress in many areas.
Recently bought 2024 gen 4 Trek rail 9.8. I snapped the chain, meanwhile waiting i picked my 2022 gen 5 Slash 9.8 XT. It was horrible experience, after riding 2 months on rail. It was such an amazing experience that my nervous system does not recognize the manual bike. I loved my slash, and the weight felt amazing changing back. It felt like papper compared to rail. But feel of a ride, its not even a comparrision. Rail absolutely dominated ion fun factor. I dont see myself doing manual bike, other than straight up downhill. Pedalling on manual bike is horrible after ebike. It felt like the breaks are on Slash when pedalling and Slash is like top of the line bike.
As an admin for a fb ebike owners group I can honestly say that when the restriction subject comes up the majority of riders are just wanting to change to the 20mph us limit as there definitely is a frustrating limit on a lot of trails where 15mph just isn’t enough! Not something I would do myself though as I’m not willing to risk my warranty etc
This^^
my average flat riding speed on my acoustic MTB is around 17mph. My Ebike, limited to 15.5 feels limited, and that limit is very very annoying. Even a limit increase to just 18mph would effectively not be a limit, and would entirely remove any need to "chip" ebikes imo
Have 3 e-bikes 3 analogue and riding all of them depending on the terrain/trails and of course it depends on my mood so love all of them.
I'm just like Adam. I love my 140/130 Izzo, it's an awesome bike, but I don't ride it as it doesn't have a motor. However, I don't want the heavy full fat bikes. I love the lightweight 60NM assist bikes. I stil want something that feels like a regular bike but can give me that boost on hills or when flagging...
As for the US market for Mondraker, there are still huge parts of the US that do not allow eMTB because of hard rules that classify eMTB as motorized (lumps them into the same category as motorbikes/ATVS) as opposed to bicycles and so are banned on many popular locations. That's why the analog market it still strong for Mondraker. eMTB is popular but a lot is ridden illegally, so stealth eMTBs, those with the Fazua Ride 60/TQ for instance, are popular as it is easier to ride in locations where the regulations are murky without drawing too much attention to yourself.
Also, as an ex-resident of Boulder County, Boulder is historically anti-ebike and is very much in the pocket of angry hikers and environmentalists that hate mountain bikers to their death. There is no legal single track eMTB accessible trails anywhere in Boulder County. You have to go one county south to JeffCo for eMTB legal trails.
Adam is wrong about walk mode in the US. I have it on my Orbea Rise which is class-1. Works fine.
I see a place for both . I ride a regular short travel trail bike and doing a decent loop 30odd miles gives me a great accomplishment. I also feel like I’ve earned a beer . I can see for trips away with bigger hills some sort of e-bike would be great 👍
Inspired by Dak, I now happily run a 60mm rise bar on my trailbike- love the feel
Im in canada and the limit is 32kph. On most trail, i dont care, but some flowy jump trail needs pedaling past 32kph to clear the jump, and it is really annoying to hit the limiter. Ebikes have often less anti-squat and it makes them harder to pedal past the limiter, plus the drag of the motor.
The 25 km/h limit here in Europe is too slow for commuting longer distances outside cities. Personally I would like to be able to go around 30-35 km/h when commuting on countryside roads. For mtb trails/dh and commuting in dense cities the 25 km/h is fine.
@SomeguysTrailridesThat’s true. I could get a speed pedelec bike that goes 45 km/h. But I can’t afford both an eMTB and a speed pedelec right now unfortunately.
I want to get some daily health benefits from the bike commuting so a cheap moped wouldn’t work for me.
25 is too slow for a flow trail. I go quicker on a pedal bike
Rob will know. You do red 15 at swinley. The flow needs well over 25kph. Il do that trail faster on my pedal bike compared to my restricted ebike as its well over the limit most of the way down
very nice talk! -hands down guys, After two years of riding a full power enduro ebike (26.5Kg) I realized that I wanted something lighter, there were just sales on kenevo sl. The engine support is only 35 Nm in boost mode, but it's enough for me, it will help me on the hardest climbs, but I'm not lazy and I still train on gravel and stumpjumper once a week. The transition from Kenevo SL to Stumpjuper or my AM bike Kona process 153 is not as shocking as from a full power ebike.
Here in Australia - I'd prefer to see 32kmh limit since you need some additional speed to launch on some jumps.
Ngl got deore 10 speed on my jones LWB and it is solid af, never had an issue.
Yes!! My guy.
I have both, both are great trail dependent ( weight , uphill speed , battery management ect 👍🏻
20mph/32kmh is where it’s at. My Dad has been riding an e-bike for 5 years and road bike for 40 years. At age 80 he asked if I could derestrict it. Speedbox FTW.
My Dreambuild is my Mondraker Dune R w 18kg. Greetings from Algarve/Portugal
I've ridden Di2 for years and have not had function issues based on the electronics...only trail damage that would destroy any derailleur has caused me issues.
Great show, good to see Doddy. Would be great to see all 3 of you doing real world tests on real world bikes:)
25k's an hour catches you out so often right on jump take offs. 35kph is a great compromise. And most of the time you not pedalling at that high speed so the battery drain is not really legit or a major difference worth worrying about.
Check out the Nine One inverted fork from Push Industries with lower protections too
I have walk mode on my Levo in the US. Maybe it's different than what you're talking about? I hold down a button and the bike helps me push it.
45 km/h speedlimit woud be a good standard for all ebikes. no chain no worries is a good slogan
I'm using my old specialised enduro 2014 for lunchtime exercise to loose some flabber and I love the " low weight".
Interesting how people say Trickstuff is insanely powerful. Most people would run the Direttissimas, those are at exactly at Shimano levels. The Maximas are actually really good, but super £££. The Trinitys were cheaper than the Direttissimas and they're amazing, insanely powerful. Managed to get 2 pairs🥴Didn't get along well with the Direttissimas.
Michigan is going full emtb legal this month, so it’s changing just in time for me. I don’t yet have an emtb, but curious about how Mondraker will tackle the USA (I’m interested). I’ve only ridden a few emtb’s, and prefer a lightweight eeb
Waiting for the dune review Rob 😏
Really like this podcast. Doddy was a great addition for this week. Question for you all. E-bike Hardtails, why are most of them just for urban riding. Is there just no market for a really decent one? I love my hardtail orbea laufey and would love that geometry and travel (I’ve upped it to 160 from 140) with a motor. What is your take on it?
32km here in New Zealand is mint feel sorry for the 25km guys
I would prefer a full power motor. A 500w/h battery with an optional range extender. 115 or 120 super progressive suspension. 120-130mm fork.
Doddy :-) !
Nice to see both you & Adam working together
I'm average height and love tall bars. Just feels comfortable to me and that's what's important
The speed limit for the uk on e-bike I would like to see 20 mpg, but for road use only and you can limit it for trail use
On the point about the assistance limitations and cut off points, I donlt mind thr 15.5mph limit in the UK. If it could be made possible to not make it like trying to cycle through treacle when you are pedalling beyond the limiter/when it cuts off....would be prefreable.
You want to try the Lewis brakes. There is a reason the Intense team use them.
GMBN recently did a review of this scenes demographic, asking if it was an old man’s sport. The survey suggested that most people are aged between 30-60 years old. I’d suggest it’s because that age group can afford to buy the bikes. E-bikes are just even further out of reach from new blood coming into the scene.
I had many trouble with Avid Breaks👎
What about the new Magura Gustav...Looking brutal
I dont think so. Ebikes are cool but to expensive for me. for a nice EMTB atleast. I'm from the the New England area in the states. At my local trails id say its 90% peddle bike 10% Ebike. I ride a trek fuel ex7. Most of the Ebike riders are 50 plus id say. I've talked to a few of them and they all say its the only way they can keep up as they get older.
Acoustic is best. You just didn't go far enough. Short-travel MTB didn't get you there. A gravel bike will. My 24kg Levo helped me loose 20kg and I liked it. I then got a 10kg gravel bike and I love it! even at the MTB park. The Levo hasn't come out of the shed since. If I could afford an ultralight 12kg e-bike I'd spend the money on a 7kg gravel bike. Nothing beats lightness. If you didn't feel it you didn't go light enough. Acoustic is totally best.
16:48 Since there is a trend in the e-MTB industry to name their products after cities, I propose the next e-MTB to be called after UKs Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
Easy enough to remember
the real reason why analog bikes are still so strong in the US is because there are a lot of People in each state doing everything it takes to ban them from every single trail. According to them, they damage the trails and are dangerous, and they think that they are for lazy people .... There is so much hate around this topic that you will even see the "entities" in charge of those public places in each state, doing everything it takes to ban them as well. Funny fact, here in the US, I have never heard or seen anyone riding an analog bike for a couple of days, and not loving them..... this is a country where the potential of mountains and trails is ruined by the sole desire of people hiding trails and banning one of the best inventions in the world just to ensure that analog bikes are still being sold...
Would be nice to see the screen you are all looking at while talking so we can see it as well? :)
The 'old' Eagle AXS controller allows for index finger upshifts. Much better than the new two-button controller!
It physically pains me to use a cable-operated derailleur! Esp. the Shimano abomination that has a long cable sticking out of it!
Also guys we definitely have walk mode in the US
Needs to be a little higher, though...from 1mph to 1.5 mph. I find it hard to walk that slow and am usually waiting for my bike to catch up with me.
What’s the cheapest e-bike to buy?
I have riden turbo levos in uk and usa, the usa restriction is far more real world than the uk. You never get that "oh sh!t" moment like you did zRob when needing that extra few mph before a gap and I've done that too.
I frequently get above my uk ebike limit on my analogue bike, so it's not a safety thing and roadies can exceed our uk ebike limit on the road by alot, so again it's not a safety thing. So 20mph limit for me is ideal, if I exceed it off road, I'm not peddling anyway, gravity is in control, which is another reason it's not about safety. Sorry Doddy, it's the only thing you said than I don't believe in. Love these chats though.
Ebikes, brings a wider range of riders, young to old, people that wouldn't ride a normal bike.
So what?
Doddy! The best podcast keeps getting better. #Doddy2024
Had an ebike and put 10000 km on it in 11 months, its wasnt much good at the end and cost a bit to run, found a xc bike to be as good for me. I still have an ebike but use it mainly for photography
Shouldn't an e-mountain bike be useful for local daily trip duty? Shops, work, etc? I rode my bamboo cargo e-bike at 20-24 mph today to go to the bank and the hardware store.
E-bikes should have modes for mixed use paths, bike paths, offroad, road. We don't restrict cars but we know they will go as fast as feels safe. So we're battling to slow cars using road diets, road narrowing, adding visual reminders (anything but speed limit signs) to make you want drive slower.
E-bikes are massive solution to Climate Crisis, and I have better chance of an e-bike as car replacement, if you allow me to ride them fast when the road allows
Each to their own but I'm still for shuttles and epic descents.
They are 35mm stanchions on the intend USD forks.
Oh and the Blackline versions has a stanchion guard.
A tool for every job. A lightweight is useless to me. I ride to explore. I grind up miles of fire roads and bomb back down them, I find every side quest on every trail, I go for a ride, eat lunch, and then go for another ride. I don't go home to charge up. The weight just doesn't matter to me, I'm used to 250lb moto's, a full power E is already my pair of dancing shoes. None of my friends have an E, so I just get in the back of the line and enjoy the view while they toil in front of me. Hard for the E haters to talk smack when you aren't leading the charge up the trail. Do I see a case for light weight? Sure, but not where I live.
US EMTBs do have walk mode.
I ebike 1 week, pedal bike the next week. And repeat. Simplicity is nice sometimes. Jump on and go
USA bit Old Fashioned with some Stuff Still use Pounds for Weight Me Got Ebike because Late 50’s Body can’t cope with Analog Bike as Kills me because Knees Knackered
I wondered where Doddy had gone
DODDY THE DODSTER IN THE HOUSE!
Really don’t understand why people insist on calling them acoustic bikes. I get the connection to a non-electric guitar is an acoustic guitar, but it was named because it produces its own sound. Acoustics is about sound. So nothing to do with bikes.
2 ex gmbn/embn presenters 🤔
embn goes through presenters like water
E-bikes haven’t caught on here in the US yet because they’re still treated like motor dirt bikes on public lands.
Yea they are!!!!
Giant is stopping motors who derestrict with latest firmware.
Can we make Doddy a permanent fixture on the podcast? 😀