When you abuse your Viper's V10 one too many times 😬
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2024
- After years of abuse, my Viper’s V10 developed an ominous ticking noise. So we tear down its massive 8-liter engine in search of the problem and I reveal the big upgrades I’m installing next.
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Let’s get into some Mustang stuff (assuming you watched the whole video)...
The Mustang’s current engine was built for boost, but so far I’ve just been trying to squeeze as much NA power out of it as possible, which is kind of silly considering it has a compression ratio of < 10. So here’s the grandmaster plan for the Mustang:
-- We’re going to install the Vortech supercharger mentioned in the video (the head unit’s good for 950 hp)
-- While we install that, tune it, race it etc, we’ll build a high compression (12.5) NA motor on the side. When that engine is ready, we’ll do an engine swap and find out what a 3-valve can do when it has similar displacement and compression to a gen-3 coyote engine.
-- Then we’ll refresh the low-compression engine and install as much of the turbo kit on the engine as possible while it’s out of the car, then we’ll drop in the turbo engine and full send.
-- Somewhere betwixt all this I may try to install a sequential, if it’s not crazy expensive.
All that being said, the next video will be about putting the Viper back together, hearing its new cam, tuning it, and racing a BMW V10 and an Audi V10. Should be a good one.
Always a great day when you upload!!! Been waiting for a while
Make triple sure you install those lifters facing the right way or you’ll be tearing it back apart. You may know that but never hurts to make sure. Prefix has good stuff. I buy Gen 3 Hemi stuff from them. Should sound pretty sick with the new cam!! That spalling on the cam lobe is a major issue with multiple brands so it’s not isolated to Mopar. I think oil is a major player and OE keeps recommending too light of a viscosity because they want gas mileage and to keep EPA happy. Prefix should get you straight on what viscosity to run. Joe Gibbs driven, Lucas oil, or Penn Grade is about the best 3 out there from personal experience having built several hundred engines and using them. Keep us posted! Love the car ❤
Heya Four_Eyes Im planning to build a Supercharged V6 S197, However i have had problems finding a cam for her, Do you know of any sites that do or would have cams for her?
love what you are doing btw always happy to see you post.
see you in half a year….
Sequential?
"hopefully i'll see you in the next one"
*disappears for the next 6 months*
_He can't keep getting away with it!!_ 😭
Coryxkenshin be like
@@Daredax he said he is gonna disappear for 9 months, he is like a pregnant woman that never fails to deliver, the 9 months are almost over tho.
This makes sense.. His video popped up in my feed today (its now 4 days old) and I realized I didnt see a vid about this viper in awhile...but I didnt see what video I missed.
Takes time to do this kind of stuff. Kind of reminds me when Kraftwerk were asked once when is the new album coming out. The reply was, We're still building the instruments.
FINALLY A NEW POST 😭🙏
was COPING SEETHING AND BALDING at the fact it takes so long for his videos, they're so well put together makes sense they take so long but THEY TAKE SO LONG
edit: bad news: t'was a trailer :(
good news: he's not dead
Get ready every one the g has poster 🫡
Yay!!!
It's been 84 years
I came here to say the same thing 😂.
Man I never knew vipers were THIS fast, 20 years old and still beating new cars with minimal mods and relative ease. Amazing.
Stock they are not, especially corners are a mess, as with most american cars with V8 or more.
I dont know a V8 except from a old 69 Mustang GT, but i was driving a lot with V6 Diesel, regular 1,9 and 2l R4 diesels, as well a NA 1,4l and 2l as well turbo 1,6l and 2,4l petrol.
The cars which were the most fun and "fastest" (in general, including corners and driving "agile") were the ones with small/light engines as well a light build in general with a good weight distribution as well low point of gravity.
Neither light engines, nor a good weight distribution the average american muscle car give you, including the otherwise pretty iconic and nice Viper.
My favorite cars i drive are either my old, turbocharged Renault Clio RS with all wheel drive, drives like a charme also normally, is somewhat "fuel efficient" and goes like hell if i want to. Has just 970kg dry weight and is one of the lightest possible cars with AWD. Sadly its a collectors item somewhat and its a "sunny day" and weekend car.
Or, which is a nice cruiser with good handling, my Subaru Impreza from 2010. Has "just" the 2l Boxer Diesel as well its pretty "bad" (not the AWD i hoped for) visco clutch for the AWD. But with a 220 HP chiptuning, removed DPF, disabled EGR and a bigger turbo it also goes nice, just the 1500kg hinders it from being a sports car.
A whole bunch of talk, but no real information. Ofcourse the stock viper is still fast, especially compared to a 2l diesel boxer.
That's a huge V10 engine. What do you expect? I don't know what is so surprising about it.
Check out those dyno numbers. 500 Tq to the wheels NA.
Most cars cant even match that with a blower!
Vipers are pretty light as well aren’t they?
The Viper is such a wildly distinct piece of engineering. For me it's the only American muscle car that truly, wholly supersedes the inbuilt tropes and expectations associated with it's class and manufacturer. In fact it transcends classification as a whole. It did not have a "style", nor a competitor, nor a target audience, per se. It reminds me a lot of the Lexus LFA in that regard, and a few others (that glorious V10!). It is, by design, the purest, most outlandish work of art that its creators could muster. We need more cars like this.
yeah when he took the head off i just said to myself "what a beautiful work of art"
Somewhat in the spirit of the over the top classic late 60's muscle cars or late 50's "Super Stock" cars (which boasted big solid lifter cams in Circa 400 cubic inch engines and high gear ratio rear ends).
Except the LFA was so expensive and so pointless that some new ones never sold. Nissan GTR overshadowed it at launch. 😁
And yet, not enough people bought one.
WAKE UP BABE, NEW MASTERPIECE DROPPED 🗣️🗣️🗣️
I'm waiting for masterpiece called "cammed mustang idling for 10hr"
6 minutes os not a real video tho
It's a 5 minute video about troubleshooting and a little driving. Hardly a masterpiece but whatever floats your boat.
U dont know how much people are waiting for ur videos…. Bcz they are fucking special
the people or the vids
@@thunderymelons7081Both
@@thunderymelons7081 the vids bro…😂
this is easily the most underrated car channels on UA-cam.
@@thunderymelons7081Funny shit
This man needs a round of applause. Goes out and gets his dream car, breaks it, and actually takes it apart himself.
Love seeing people work on their cars 🔥
It brings a tear to the eye to see an american idol be found by someone who gives it the love it deserves
@@nean9894 It sure does!
I thought your comment said applesauce
@@chrisS19019 😭😂
Your Viper ROCKS ! At first, I thought it was a bad lifter, but seeing the way the cam is scored changes the story. I would send an oil sample to Blackstone Labs for a comprehensive oil analysis, that might reveal the cause of this issue. Good luck !
I was thinking the same thing.
A possible oiling deficiency, but why only on one lob of the cam. Possibly a clogged oil galley.
Or... wild speculation; possibly a bad metal compound on that one lob.
Glad he found the cause and provided the remedy.
This is the quite literally the most underrated channel on UA-cam. I’m not trying to glaze but you make the best videos as far as quality and informative.
GLAZING ALERT
Agreed! Best DIY vids on 3 valve Mustangs I've seen!
@@subyob your parents had you for tax benefits
there's nothing homosexual about giving a compliment or being passionate about giving your thoughts, the people who say this 'glazing' are bottom-feeders who will live with their parents into their 30s and can't hold jobs and usually aren't even African-Americans
You don't understand what literally means or subjective
Can't wait to see how the maxxed 4.6 responds to the procharger... That car is something special!
Is the maxxed version going to happen?
@@AstroJoe-ts7qdhe needs to milk it for 4 more years first
@@joelarocco5679😂
To this day, still a beautiful design...one could argue a work of art. Almost makes up for the PT Cruiser. 🤭
Hey! The Cruiser was a great modern iteration of the old street rods. Maybe it was impractical but so are the Viper, Mustang, etc. Wish I had a Cruiser.
@@rcnelsonno
My Dad rented a Purple PT Cruiser what an embarrassment I was basically sitting on the floor I felt gay being in that shit box
As a retired aerospace engineer that did mostly mechanical engineering, the frosting on the lifter's roller and the damage to that cam load suggests three possible (either individual or a combination of): (1) lubrication; (2) metallurgical; and (3) dimensional. Looking at the spalling on the cam lobe and more specifically - where in the roller path (at the ends) suggests the load (side-to-side) profile and that roller's "crown drop" was not optimal. If the surface treatment (nitriding, carburization, ??) on that cam lobe was less thane designed, the surface would fatigue earlier. And a lubricant (tribology) generated fault could also be the cause or a contributing factor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribology
Spot on. Cams were flame hardened DI. Not too precisice as to how hard and where compared to induction.
Same on Hemis.
would it be easy to just say check the oil for metal and check the lifter for spacing.
So you saying a poorly manufactured campaign shaft or this guy used cheap oil? 😂
@@IRON_D No... he said it's most likely the crown on the roller of the lifter wasn't machined quite perfectly... or possibly metallurgy/treatment of the cam (a "soft" spot in that lobe), or the cam lobe wasn't machined perfectly, or that lobe wasn't getting adequate oiling... or a combination of any or all of those factors. The Viper is a supercar, but it's still a mass produced supercar, vulnerable to tolerance stacking just like any other mass produced car. This is why cars have warranties...
Came here for this kind of a response. Thank you very much.
Living in Australia, a Viper is financially out of reach, and having loved these since I saw the prototype in a magazine as a 9 year old way back in ‘89, it makes me so happy to see these still getting the love to this day. Mustang project is excellent as well.
They're financially out of reach here too lol. Its sad because about a decade ago you could get a decent 2nd gen Viper for $25k.
@@wigletron2846Decent ones have always been over $40k
My favourite is the 1st gen and like you, I I've been in love since I saw them in magazines as a kid (although I am a little younger than you 😉). About a month ago, I saw one in my tiny little country town in NSW. I would've looked like such a weirdo just standing there for 10 mins drooling 🤤. This is the only time I've seen one in real life and it definitely lived up to my childhood dreams.
@@benlangley1763 I saw a very early red side piped RT/10 in left hand drive in the early 2000s here in Melbourne. Just stopped me dead in my tracks. Amazing design. Still jaw dropping decades on, especially in a sea of Commodores and Falcons. (And yes I am old 😆)
Also in Aus and with you mate, but sadly every bloody thing in australia is out of reach in the car world.
I appreciate that you focus on the N/A engine! I love an N/A engine much more than a blower (unpopular opinion, I know). Also, the fact that you walked a GT350 is astounding! The GT350 is my favorite modern Ford to boot and I was so happy to see you get em!
A gt350 weighs like 3700 lbs. I’m sure this viper would walk one bone stock
2016 Shelby GT350 - 3781 lbs
M/T 1/4 mile - 12.4 @ 117.8
1997 Dodge Viper GTS - 3375 lbs
M/T 1/4 mile - 12.2 @ 119.3
Yeah not surprised at at all that 400lbs of weight makes a differnce and especially considering the shelby only really makes good power above 4k rpm
@@BC08the GT350 (R).went 12.1 needs to run it
Have been bone stock on a tire cobras like mine crack well into 11s but thats boosted 😆
@@AnnatarCarvour Just used a common resource for both. Motor Trend.
Stock GT350s have gone 11s, but so have Gen 2 Viper GTSs.
I am old beat up motorcrosser who LOVED this video. The porting part at the end was the icing on the cake. Good luck with your Viper!
thank you sir
Seeing your GTS on Donut was honestly the coolest thing a carguy like myself could see. As soon as I saw the video and that distinctive color I knew it was your car too lol
Every single time I see you post something I watch it. Absolutely love the vids!!!
thanks brother 🙏
This channel is filled with great projects! I can't wait for them to come out. Keep up with these cool ass projects
Awesome video! Your content editing is on point, not a second wasted, entertaining and informative all the way through
Guys Four Eyes uploaded, it's a good day
I don't think I have seen a video ever that gets to the point and doesn't drag on. Very nice work. Looking forward to the results.
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Man I really enjoy the videos and information about each car! Keep up the good work man!👍
man you put so much content in 1 video its impressive
As a child. This was my dream car. I remember seeing one at a gas station randomly, and the guy must’ve seen my staring at it in awe. Long story short, he let me sit inside it. 20ish or so years later and I still remember that.
Please post more often, you have lots of subscribers… take advantage of it! 😢
it’s harder for small creators cause they usually have full time jobs plus putting out the types of videos he typically does usually involve spending a decent amount of money on parts to upgrade a car then go test it. i do agree though i really enjoy his content, even if the videos don’t involve a bunch of expensive modifications or super time consuming work being done on the car id enjoy seeing more upload’s about small updates with the cars or racing/ driving.
@@conner768lol not expensive you say? He built a 3v NA and if I had to guesstimate he dumped over 20 k into the mustang alone also with all the different revisions he does of each stage, it is super time intensive. And he is no small creator at 220k subs he could easily make 10 k a month just with his audience and replace his normal job.
Quality over quantity....
@@retrograde11 sure, but I don’t think you should post every 3 months for a 5 minute vid. I love the channel and would love to see more that’s all I’m saying
You think this shit is cheap bro? lol… please sink tens of thousands more dollars into custom racing gear so I can see, please!!!😂
Awesome quality and a easy watch as always! I dont mind these shorter update videos at all, fills in the blanks between the juicy content :D
Such great cars! Awesome video man, love the journey with the Viper!
Best channel there is. unique builds really well filmed and edited. As well as very informative and entertaining. Please never stop making these.
I love seeing you post about the Viper! I've been hooked ever since you got it!
Saw this suggested and as a classic viper fan had to watch. Subbed. Looking forward to more!
I don t killing myself about cars and stuff,but man,your skills are above and love to see supercars well maintained.Of course subscribed
I wait for these videos to come out, I absolutely love your content man, keep it up!
One Four Eyes video a day keeps your Rock Knock away ❤️
I’m astonished that the Viper walked the new Mustang. That’s one bad ass snake I love that car. The right year, right color, right wheels and no stripes. 👍🏼
Thank you for the new upload❤
HE FINALLY POSTED! UA-cam trolled and didnt send me the notification, but i came here 1 day after and luckly the video was there!
Thanks for the vid, you're good at making them and best of luck with your viper build! If it's not too much trouble I would pull the oil pan off and look at the main and rod bearings, that sound was very rod-slappy to me.
My neighbor had a Viper when I was in high school. White with blue racing stripes. Looked so sick
One vid every few months, I’m fine with it because they’re so darn good. Reminds me of the days UA-camrs posted because they wanted to and not for ad rev. Cheers bro
Man I CANNOT wait for these next two car upgrades. I love both those series so much
Finally man, as much as I love the stang vids, I was hoping to see the vioer get some well needed attention and love. I love v8’s a lot but something about a v10 that has the American v8 feels and sounds is just amazing.
My only gripe of your video is just that it's not long enough! Always delighted to watch your new videos though!
He aint resting the mustang until its gonna be a demon destroyer 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🥶🥶
THAT may never happen though...
great video , short , sweet and to the point ! keep up the great work
This channel is criminally under subscribed. Amazing editing, fantastic content with great presentation. What more could you ask for, besides frequency ? Absolutely love the video. Can’t wait for the next. 🥰😍❤️
I wish I could hemorrhage money on my cars!
I love this car so much. Great episode.
man your videos are literally S tier, please don't stop making them
You bought a Dodge ... sorry for your luck, but you should know better ...
Sad but true.
Viper engines are usually pretty bulletproof.
@@JHKCF That must be the reason why I've seen so many that are hurt ...
Found the lsx fanboy. Yikes.
Brand loyalty sheep are so pathetic.
@riogrande163 Says a troll that knows absolutely nothing about performance and reliability ... GM sucks too, but out of Ford, GM and Dodge, GM has the best gas engines ... always did.
@ 1:21 OMEFFIN'G, THAT CAR IS SO EFFIN' BEAUTIFUL!!! That GTS body are just so freaking gorgeous!!! Really, 2nd gen Vipers are absolutely magnificent works of art, and unbelievable marvels of automotive engineering. I can genuinely feel it in my stomach when I see them in person, and very, VERY few cars have that effect on me...
Awesome video dude, always loved the viper. Almost bought a salvage one a few times. Also the 2017 acr is probably my favorite car of all time.
Beautiful car....sits with such poise..perfect on every level...lucky man to own the piece of motoring history..
V10 Viper...heck yes! I had a chance to drive a GTS in around 2001 on an Autocross track- I was impressed. Amazing amount of torque! Only thing I could find with torque anywhere near is a Buick GS455 with power adders.....You are making me think Viper though...goddang beast!
In my opinion it was probably floating that valve (weakened spring) and hammering the cam. Or possibly slightly sticking valve in the guide doing the same thing.
Let’s gooooo. I bought my Mustang 09 GT . And thanks to you I have a mod list with good results. Great videos.
You can pinpoint vibration/sound location putting a wooden broomstick/dowel on the engine and then place your ear on the rounded end for comfort. My friend showed me that to pin point rod/rocker valve chatter with the valve cover on. Works really well.
Oh snap!
That was some VERY loud ticking. I would have been terrified driving it to the track and back. That cam lobe damage looks really weird, especially considering the roller is fine. Maybe it was just some fatigued metal, or it had some problems during the casting or hardening stage of fabrication. Huh... Well, i hope the tick/slap/rattle is gone after the new cam and heads.
Pumped for the next video!!!
I remember a magazine talking about this before it was released. A new Shelby monster... but the side pipes were showing and it looked like a beast. Wish they left them uncovered. Always looks like a pretty girl that's covering her charms...
Seemed like porosity in the cast process, or maybe just fatigue, good thing you diagnosed it in time!
this is one of my favourite builds ever, DON'T DISAPPEAR AGAIN
Awesome vid/content! Brings back great memories of my ‘02 snake! 👏🔥👀😎
Your GTS is one of, if not my dream supercar, ranking extremely high on my bucket car list.
I actually saw the video that Donut made about the different generations of Viper, and I picked yours as my favorite one, way back then...
That just sounds MEAN!! Love that exhaust note.
I don't think there's anything more exciting to see another new 4eyes new post 😭
The Viper was my Dream Car when I was a kid, it is awesome to see how well it holds up even 20+ years later
nice to see the Viper get some love.
Been a few years, glad to know you still have your stang
I live close to mid ohio sports car course and i'm not sure if they still do it but they used to have an event every year that involved Vipers. I would see dozens of them coming right passed my house every year, but it's been awhile. Anyone who was a kid when the Viper came out has to love them, they are still so unique even today.
I too live very near that track, worked there for a year when I was younger. Haven't seen the vipers in awhile but I know the s2000's have a club out there still.
Great job on the proper disassembly to find the issue. I know what a horrible, time consuming and expensive job that is so kudos to you for doing it right, finding the problem and making it better. Most people would have ignored it until it killed the car.
I think this is my favorite viper gen. Just a nice blend of retro and modern styling.
Also idk how I've never heard of this channel. You're making cars I make in forza but irl! lmao
Really awesome vid mate. You rock bro. Well done.
very kind thank you thank you
how do you guy not have more subscribers, i love your content
Never been a huge Viper fan, but my God that color is awesome. With the color and the tinted windows, that's probably the nicest looking Viper I've ever seen :)
the viper was my dream car growing up, I used it in every video game it was featured and then I kind of forgot about it. This video made me feel 12 again. Whay a beautiful car.
Awesome video. Love the Viper!
Very nice upgrade to the V10. Glad it was just a lobe and lifter.
"So if you are into dope shit, you know what to do"
You bet I do. This is how you make people sub, good freaking job.
Dude,I had a dream today that you uploaded a new video,was so real that I went check
Sick car, love all the N/A work!
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Awesome! Very nice and straightforward video!!
Loving the videos. Just waiting for that mustang build to be completed.
2008 viper is my favorite and always will be.
The madness of the Viper is still impressive and inspiring to me to day. It was very much the spiritual successor to the AC/Shelby Cobra, all of which are so legendary and relatively unique amongst the flood of high-performance cars over the last 75 years or so.
Also still common to hear that the Viper V10 was a truck engine. While it was based on the LA V8 engines (318 [5.2] and 5.9L "Magnum" V8's in later years), it was a very different engine than the 8.0L V10 that went into Ram 2500 and 3500. Jay Leno even talks about this on one of his episodes of Jay Leno's Garage. It was aluminum rather than cast iron -- with the help of Lamborghini -- as aluminum block American V8's [and bigger, i.e. a V10] were still very rare from the factory in 1990.
It really is amazing how little power they made out of such a huge engine
For a guy with more money than I'll ever see, you sure do have some serious fun with it!
Our king went hard on the editing in this one.
Awesome video man. And car! New subscriber ✌🏻
That camshaft intake lobe was NOT HAPPY, looked like it was from one of the engines on the "I Do Cars" channel.
Good video mate. I think U did a good job. I got stick into the engine no worries. U know U stuff. Hang in there
Love the look of your viper! Great colour too, makes a nice change from red!
Shame I’m in the UK, would love to go head to head with my Aston Martin DB9!👍🤣
The Pedro Chespirito plug from the Simpson's was a nice touch. That had me laughing pretty hard.
That car is drop dead gorgeous!
the best UA-camr i swear your videos are dope 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice and concise, good work
As you took apart the engine I think it’s funny a viper shares some of the same lifter and push rods as my 98 dodge Dakota lol
love your content sir, thank you
I love this guys videos.. none of the annoying 20m foreplay of people talking and fake drama porno movie level acting.
lol thanks amigo
We need more vids man… we love ur content
thanks, workin in it trust me
About the camshaft failure. It seems to be a manufacturing problem. That piece was probably produced by casting and, even with inspection, it passed. It looks like internal porosity and/or inclusions (pocket of material) from the mold. I would recommend checking also the crankshaft and oil pump just to be sure
The Viper was such a gem of a car! I always thought the Viper was Dodges answer to Chevrolet's Corvette!