Not Antagonist, more Mentor. Notice he never blatantly tries to attack you during the game, he never hinders you. He WANTS you to succeed, he’s there to push you beyond your limits, to test your resolve/will. What you do with it, is up to you.
@@isaiahslaven479 Yep If you fail to beat him you become a dragon forged or the next dragon not sure if you take his deal you gain wealth and power and live a long life, and the rare case you don't choose you become cursed
I love Grigori. His voice is so good and he's not overall evil. He just does what he was destined to do like the fallen Arisen before him. Also, big plus for having Mercedes as your "beloved". She's my favorite.
Something that I appreciate about Dogma's world is that the way of the world is simply immutable: the Endless Chain goes on because it must, you cannot ascribe good nor evil to it as it is something that transcends everything and everyone. For all his power, the Great Dragon Grigori is nothing but a slave to the natural order, cursed to play out his role until he dies and is succeeded. Not even God is truly free, but a slave to the system just the same as the Dragon.
"But then, tell me, child of man...what does it mean to live in truth? To wage war against the passing days? To pray to the unseen for a few breaths more? To raise grand cities from stone, and spawn new life in turn? Mankind has done this, yes, and more. But is the tapestry you weave truly of your own design?" Hands down the best
The thing is, you're meant to go against those words. That's what it is to give up your beloved. My favorite line is when you reject his offer and he says "Tis' a foolish choice, Arisen. But better fool than craven." Those are very powerful words. Bravery over cowardice.
What I love about Grigori is that he does force the options onto you, but he doesn't demand an answer immediately. If you leave the conversation, he just says "Very well, I have plenty of time." and allows you to prepare for the fight of your fight. He wants you at your peak.
@@arceus1385 Defeating the Seneschal doesn't end the cycle, it's part of it. The Seneschal you face at the end of a new game is Savan, the man from the introduction who defeated his Dragon and then the Seneschal. Not even plunging the Godsbane in your chest ends the cycle. At the end of a new game plus, the Seneschel is either your own character from the previous game if offline or another player's character that has become the Seneschal if online. And Savan retrieves the Godsbane from his own chest. He says the Godsbane is the only thing that can kill the Seneschal, but he doesn't say that's all that's required. The incumbent Seneschal must be killed by the new one. It's the only way for them to be released from immortality and is the reason for the Dragons and the Arisen, to cultivate the will of a new Seneschal to serve as the axis around which the universe and the eternal cycle will continue to turn.
@@Kidneyjoe42Killing yourself with the godsbane is the end of the cycle. The reason your previous player is the next seneschal is likely just a gameplay mechanic.
@@bigmackstar1 That's true. It's made pretty clear ingame that there's no time-loop or anything like that going on, as the previous-player-seneschal would suggest. Time still passes and the world moves on.
When my younger brother first played the game, his male character's beloved wound up being Pablos. After killing Grigori, he picked the man up and threw him off a cliff and into the ocean, killing him, because he didn't want him as his beloved. It was hilarious.
My first Beloved was Symone. Like, wtf... Symone? My big burly character and this child... I never went back to the apartment after that. All because I did the quest for the gold idol. 🙄🙄
My "true love" was damn Caxton the weapon seller in Gran Soren. I tried to get Mercedes but no. I thought the game was getting meta on me, "you say you love Mercedes but you know it's the gear seller you truly can't live without!" The end scene... I imagined him saying "They're masterworks all! Can't go wrong!" as it fades to black.
The funniest shit I've ever heard xD It just happened to me today as well. I got Caxton when I was hopping to get Selene but I don't know how this stupid "affinity" mechanic works.
I got Madeline today, wich was super awkward because I didn’t like her and only boosted her affinity for the shop items. I was all like „nooo wtf!“ when they started making out :D
@@CCProductions I'm wearing Fatalis as a codpiece. Lol, he does slap but he just shows up, yells at you then shytes and pizzez fire everywhere. Nothing wrong with that but Grigori does the same, after literally being the entire first and second act of the game's antagonist. He talks, even armchair philosophers and when you finally get to fight him he just puffs out his chest and waits for you to try. He's one Safi nova away from being the coolest dragon in all of fantasy. The fun bit is knowing the lore/speculation of Fatalis and 'The Dragon'. How both may actually be Former challengers transformed.
well none can talk to you like big red here. but if we ignore the speech and just take his actual approach into the start of a battle. I think alot of monsters out do him.
@@Vulcanfaux The speech is one thing but it's the presentation and symbolism that hit home. A omnipotent monster smashes into your village, steals your literally heart then half a game later just stands proud in front of you daring you to change your well shyted pants and meat your maker(literally). It's in a whole different league to just dropping in and roaring(which is often dope af btw, I'm not talking shyte here).
@@Vulcanfaux nah, I am a veteran monster hunter player with over thousands of hours stacked across portable and console games, from online and frontier to 4u, iceborne and rise. And I say very select few monsters approach grigori's sheer epicness. You gotta factor in the fact that griori rivals fatalis' design who in return is the most badass elder dragon in the franchise. Dare I say that I find griori even more intimidating design wise alone. But that's not to undermine fatalis or any other sick monster such as alatreon. That is just a testament over how much of an outlier dragon's dogma's villain was. Has the best design out of any fictional dragon, has the most badass voice of any dragon, is the wittiest of them all. And his one liner would make even Gandalf wet his knickers. Yup that is griori for you
"What is your purpose here, Arisen?" The delivery is too fucking good. Like every line this voice actor absolutely perfects, every line is powerful as hell. And the one I quoted just has so much weight, and is probably my favorite. I especially love how he circles back to "I ask again, what is your purpose here, Arisen?" after breaking down human behavior to our hero. Can't wait for the sequel.
She's really just an ornamental commander sent by her dad as a 'gift' to the Duke Edmun. Julien tears into her and makes a laughing stock out of her in their duel, and she even admits her pathetic fighting ability to the player, and promises to return to them when she gets stronger. You only ever see her actually fight the one time, and she's escorted by the Arisen and several knights. Sadly, she IS a pushover
@@Vilverna Well sure, the guy is a skilled fighter and clearly backs up his shittalk. But him being as good as he is doesn't mean Mercedes is good, but not as good as him. She's an awful fighter. She and Julien both know it, and that's why she needs the help of the fated hero to help her gank in a duel if she wants any chance of winning.
@@victorklep5261 smaug being bigger would make no difference. One is a simple giant fire breathing wyvern and the other is a literal nigh omnipotent dragon god that can only be slayed by a chosen arisen. And he has access to all kinds of magic including death spells. Smaug gets obliterated
One of the few games that does a Dragon correctly. Intimidating and four legs, allowing the front claws to be used as both weapons, or even casting spells. Along with that, allowing him to stand up tall and proudly as his wings spread to envelop the sky, blocking out the sun as his head is held high. unlike other games where they take the Wyvern design and the "dragon" spends more time eating mud by holding their entire body as low as possible to the ground. Grigori was intimidating as hell.
@@ryan1000011Sure, and in many cases that works quite well. But when it comes to dragons I believe this design is superior. The low to the ground or two limb version is usually used by movie and game designers to give them a more threatening appearance. And I cannot stress enough how big of a mistake that is. A dragon's design has always been so successful due to its representation of "pride", its grandiose stature and appearing as a insurmountable mountain. They are not supposed to be creepy, they are supposed to be imposing, yet carry themselves somewhat majestically. This is why Grigori is one of the best game dragons, despite games like Skyrim existing, who's "Dragons" are pretty forgettable despite being the central theme of the game. They even do the part correctly where a Dragon's breath attack is beyond what most magic can achieve, but also not being the Dragon's only option as in many older stories with dragons, they are usually adapt at spellcasting too, far outclassing any combat skills most humans would acquire in a lifetime.
I've been wanting to take the opening cutscene where he rips your heart out to my University's Latin Department so I can get a translation of what he says.
In Deny Salvation you get the hint that Grigori or Great Dragon isn't the beast they told us from how he spoke to us. Then you get to this scene and that's the moment where it hit you that there was something else going on.
Gregori, the Great Dragon... He is no demon, not a thing of evil. He offers a choice, not a temptation. A test to prove the worth of one who's will would shoulder the world. No, I say that Gregori is an angel, a messenger of the almighty sent to find the one who would be his replacement. An angel of destruction that calls the hero to action, but never forced them to do anything. This is the Dragon's Dogma: To choose is to exert will, to have will is to live. To choose is life itself... The throne lies beyond, arisen... Have you the will to see this challenge through?
The way I see it, Grigori is the opposite of the Seneschal and yet they work together. For if they fail to beat the dragon then they take the dragon’s place
@@isaacmcconley4965 if you fail to beat the Dragon, or die before you reach him, you become one of the lesser drakes. Listen to the lesser dragons. They still retain memories of their past life.
I think the last hour of this game’s story is probably my favorite of any game I’ve played, ever. Even the scripted parts, even the quick time events. The dialogue and voice acting is just astronomical. Post game is alright.
I'm thankful that my first experience playing the game was months after the Dark Arisen expansion dropped. I thouight I was ready for Bitterblack the moment I was able to cheese my way past Grigori and the Seneschal. Boy, that first Eliminator proved me wrong.
The Grigori are bound by their duty to the seneschal, but this one clearly has other plans. He's not just trying to make sure you're up to the task of killing him as the seneschal demands, but he slips you the godsbane dagger in his death as a final middle finger to fate so that you can actually finish the cycle after offing the seneschal with their own godsbane sword.
That's where you are wrong. The cycle is never ending, never breaking wheel. At least to the lore here are the outcomes: 1. Accept the bargain of dragon - rule the land. New Arisen is chosen for same Dragon. 2. Kill the dragon and challenge seneschal, but loose the fight - you are casted down from rift and reincarnated as new dragon. 3. Kill the dragon amd defetead the seneschal - seneschal becomes the dragon, while you ascend the throne - ever waiting for another to break you free. No matter you do, if you choose to resist and fight you are bound to be part of the cycle as Arisen and the dragon, and as seneschal if you are deemed worthy, only to recycle the fate at some point. Only those who run and accept the dragon bargain are truly set free from cycle - fates irony, since they are not reincarneted either as dragons or new arisens. They cease to exist.
@@tengizoniani5029Where is that stated in the lore? From what I remember the only ones removed from the cycle were Seneschals, and maybe the dragons, upon death.
@@tengizoniani5029 você confundiu algumas coisas aí no final. Quando se derrota o senescal ele pede pra ser morto e liberto da maldição. Se o Arisen perder a batalha contra o senescal Arisen não morre pela espada godsbane ele simplesmente cai dos Céus em forma de dragão e outro ciclo se inicia . Quando o Arisen se torna o senescal ele se mata nos céus e caiu na terra junto de seu companheiro. O pawn principal se funde ao corpo do Arisen e ele fica com o corpo do mestre.
Having speeding through this game, paying no mind to side quests, I ended up having the little girl in the red dress as my beloved... Turned a pretty decent ended into a pretty awkward one.
Genuinely hope they refine that system if they decide to bring it back especially because with the current climate in the gaming world that would blow up in all the wrong ways
The fact that you have to skip Grigori’s dialogue and fight to get the true ending is absurd. I understand that Grigori is different. Clearly dd2 Grigori is more of an unwilling prisoner of the cycle like we are, but I feel like the dd1 route worked better
@@yamnbam4346 Grigori raises a hero. He knows you're striving beyond normal men. He loves it. He wants to make sure in every fiber of your being that you're really ready to take up arms and fight against evil. Even tempts you with so much, to make sure you are a TRUE hero. Loving this whole aspect SO MUCH in DD1 makes the whole Nihilistic worldforged seem insanely lame in comparison.
the only game I don't actually mind playing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and -continues saying over and over and over and over and over and over and-
"Youll gainsay my terms are more than generous " whoo that still gives me chills I've played this game since it came out and every time I see Grigori I still fear him and I'm max level!!
this speech is a poem through and through, i cannot be convinced otherwise, the way, weight and measure in wich is spoken, the elegant and beautiful choice of words, if taken out of context one could interpret It in so many ways, in one such way It reminds me a bit of Parmenides's poem somehow
@@orion_x-000 I was a bit hyped when I heard it existed but then as soon as I heard the dragons I yelled "that's no grigori". Same with a lot of "artistic liberties" taken. I would much rather they use the original or at least try to mimic a bit. Like the way people speak for instance. I couldn't for the life of me understand why the dragon spoke in a way so much more dated than the game and everyone else spoke normal English... I really like the little touches of "aught" and stuff in the original. Why they didn't do it is beyond me...
Dammit my characters "beloved" was the dumb princess and I wanted to kill her but I also wanted to complete the objective of the game and *fight the goddamn dragon.*
As in the Duchess? Yeah, if you complete her sidequest she's automatically your beloved. However, there's a way around it: during the rescue quest, abuse the shit out of her. I spent about twenty minutes throwing her full-force into a wall, followed by a good ten minutes of flinging her into the cold water. She was *not* happy, and I managed to drain all of her affection points that way. Thus she wasn't my 'beloved' for this scene. This is a pro tip for all future Arisen who don't want that forced bullshit for your character but still want to 100% the game.
>Mercedes as your beloved Absolute chad. Also, I think what I love most is that they could have just made it an option select on a dialogue screen, but no, you have to physically walk towards Grigori to challenge him. When I got to this scene, I didn’t just walk towards him; I drew my sword first. It added something to it I felt.
Pedro Kantor that was intentional, the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions even had Berserk armors and weapons. Mercedes design is based off of Casca supposedly.
A year late, but there's even a character preset that greatly resembles Guts. One eye closed, scar across his face, same haircut, tall, left arm bare, and a huge sword on his back. I never understood why he looked like that when I first got this game. I hadn't read/watched Berserk, but after looking into it some more recently (thanks to Dark Souls 3) I immediately realized who that preset was supposed to be. Pretty good impression of him actually.
@@TheStraightestWhitest they also had direct cross promotional content with the trilogy for Berserk: The Golden Age Arc which had come out around the same time dragon's dogma was released. at this point i dont know why we keep getting shitty berserk games when we have masterpieces like dragons dogma and the souls series reminding us how completely possible it is to make a good one.
@@Shad0wmoses unfortunately now on the Dark Arisen version of the game on console, theres no way to gain the Berserk promo items anymore The merchant who sells them still shows up with items to give but guts and Griffiths armor sets are no longer available
this game needs to be remastered for next gen and have more DLC love, or at least bring back the dragons dogma online. forever my #1 favorite game, will never get bored of playing it
If this game is being remade or if this character gets added in a new one... We better get that same voice actor. His voice makes the game 10 times better
This fantastic game is a bit short on story in many parts but damn were the developers able to deliver when it mattered the most. This scene is so well produced it's saddening that not more gamers are familiar with it. The voice acting, the actual things Grigori says, the framings of the shots, the cuts, it's just perfection.
Wait... that voice sounds familiar to me... I don't know why... It's almost as if David Lodge plays another main antagonist within the Persona Series... Oh yeah, The God of Control, Yaldabaoth.
I always wondered. Who was the Dragon when Savan slayed it? Those who are the Dragon die permanently when the Arisen kills them, but when Savan sees the Dragon, it’s voiced by Grigori. But, Savan kills his dragon and ascends to the Seneschal. Yet, our Dragon is voiced by Grigori also. So confusing..
It could be that the Dragon's voice is the same for all dragons. At least in the series this happens (regardless of how much of a dissapointment it was) However, Savan kills his dragon and doesnt fail in his fight for Seneschal, then when does grigori come? When does he fail to be Seneschal? Could it be that once a new Seneschal is selected the world "restarts" (since we can see Gran Soren and Cassardis completely untouched as Seneschal)?
I think it's very possible that Savan is the last "true" Arisen. I mean, the opening kinda makes it seem like Savan's confrontation with the dragon was a really long time ago, and considering that he's been Seneschal since, it's more than possible that Grigori is just that effective. I mean, Grigori, whenever he speaks to us seems pretty fed up with it all, which could mean that he's been the Dragon for multiple cycles now with there being no one to replace him. So once you take over, Grigori is the Dragon once more, because there was no one before you to replace him
Kind of jealous of the arisen because they can hear his voice whenever they put their hand against their chest o.o I hope in the supposed new Dragon's Dogma, we get the same dragon and same voice if it's a reboot/remake as the leaks say...
There isn't any cutscene in all the games I've played that has made me laugh more than this one here. The second time I played the game the dragon picked Quina's father as my beloved.
The true "Legendary Black Dragon" we monster hunter fans never actually got. Im not asking for an outright talking "philoso-fatalis" but at least something a bit more supporting of the lore Fatalis is associated with in the games. I hope Iceborne will throw us some bones...
@William King I mean elder dragons are supposed to be intelligent beings it would make sense for them to learn the human language . Honestly I am kinda surprised they haven't done it already
Imagine if you could pick the sacrifice option. Romance someone you hate, sacrifice them, Grigori peaces out, and everything is well. Well, except that monsters still run on the land
SOME SPOILERS FOR DD2 . . . I ADORE DD2. L152h for my first playthrough. However, DD2's dragon holds no candle over Grigori in mystique, stature and poetic speech. The writing for his dialogues in DD1 is flawless. I think it's fine for them to be different since it's not the same dragon, but still in terms of presentation and dialogue, they could have done better.
God tier antagonist.
Literally
Not Antagonist, more Mentor. Notice he never blatantly tries to attack you during the game, he never hinders you. He WANTS you to succeed, he’s there to push you beyond your limits, to test your resolve/will. What you do with it, is up to you.
He's an arisen
@@isaiahslaven479 Yep If you fail to beat him you become a dragon forged or the next dragon not sure if you take his deal you gain wealth and power and live a long life, and the rare case you don't choose you become cursed
@@j.vinton4039 he does that as a enemy/villian, so he still is a antagonist
I love Grigori. His voice is so good and he's not overall evil. He just does what he was destined to do like the fallen Arisen before him. Also, big plus for having Mercedes as your "beloved". She's my favorite.
Something that I appreciate about Dogma's world is that the way of the world is simply immutable: the Endless Chain goes on because it must, you cannot ascribe good nor evil to it as it is something that transcends everything and everyone. For all his power, the Great Dragon Grigori is nothing but a slave to the natural order, cursed to play out his role until he dies and is succeeded.
Not even God is truly free, but a slave to the system just the same as the Dragon.
@@justinlee790 and god himself asks to be finished, epic.
Who doesn't want to ride a Mercedes?
Yeah Mercedes is the slr under the gals
i got the friggen blacksmith lool
They couldn't have picked a better voice actor for Grigori. Some of the best VA work imo and the dialogue was just as good.
Fuzzy Whale Games Ikr I would honestly listen to the voice actor read a dictionary in its entirety just to hear his awesome voice
I came here just to hear his voice and post this. The VA did a fantastic job.
So I did some searching, apparently David lodge voices Jiraya from naruto, and kenpachi zaraki from bleach.
@@JoshSmith-de7nl I knew I had heard it before!
I really, REALLY hope they'll bring him back for the show Netflix is doing.
“Wealth and power are sweet anodyne for heartache.” Will always be my favourite line of his
"It it matters ought the man who now rules these lands won that honor through just such a bargain." Grigori was dropping bars left and right lol
@@jerome6191 the Duke was catching strays left and right lmao
"But then, tell me, child of man...what does it mean to live in truth? To wage war against the passing days? To pray to the unseen for a few breaths more? To raise grand cities from stone, and spawn new life in turn? Mankind has done this, yes, and more. But is the tapestry you weave truly of your own design?"
Hands down the best
Probably the best and most affecting final boss I've ever faced. You find a mentor when you spent the whole game expecting a villain.
Underrated comment
Almost like The Boss from MGS3.
Dude, this.
'Abandon all delusions of control'
Possibly my favorite of his quotes.
Translated: "Know your goddamn place, trash."
That qoute is also in kung fu panda
Mine would be " When the weak court death, they find it. " hahaha
The thing is, you're meant to go against those words. That's what it is to give up your beloved. My favorite line is when you reject his offer and he says "Tis' a foolish choice, Arisen. But better fool than craven."
Those are very powerful words. Bravery over cowardice.
@@natediaz1863 especially because he knows his place in this world, and knows the role you are to play. Agree 100%
What I love about Grigori is that he does force the options onto you, but he doesn't demand an answer immediately. If you leave the conversation, he just says "Very well, I have plenty of time." and allows you to prepare for the fight of your fight.
He wants you at your peak.
he want to make sure you are strong enough to defeat the senechal and end the neverending cycle of suffuring for good
@@arceus1385 Defeating the Seneschal doesn't end the cycle, it's part of it. The Seneschal you face at the end of a new game is Savan, the man from the introduction who defeated his Dragon and then the Seneschal. Not even plunging the Godsbane in your chest ends the cycle. At the end of a new game plus, the Seneschel is either your own character from the previous game if offline or another player's character that has become the Seneschal if online. And Savan retrieves the Godsbane from his own chest. He says the Godsbane is the only thing that can kill the Seneschal, but he doesn't say that's all that's required. The incumbent Seneschal must be killed by the new one. It's the only way for them to be released from immortality and is the reason for the Dragons and the Arisen, to cultivate the will of a new Seneschal to serve as the axis around which the universe and the eternal cycle will continue to turn.
@@Kidneyjoe42Killing yourself with the godsbane is the end of the cycle. The reason your previous player is the next seneschal is likely just a gameplay mechanic.
@@bigmackstar1 That's true. It's made pretty clear ingame that there's no time-loop or anything like that going on, as the previous-player-seneschal would suggest. Time still passes and the world moves on.
Well grigori understand the most and he probably lost someone took after he become a dragon.
When my younger brother first played the game, his male character's beloved wound up being Pablos. After killing Grigori, he picked the man up and threw him off a cliff and into the ocean, killing him, because he didn't want him as his beloved.
It was hilarious.
Joke's on him, cause your beloved keeps on respawing >.
How did this happen?
SlayerOfTears , ahahaha, you made my day
My first Beloved was Symone. Like, wtf... Symone? My big burly character and this child... I never went back to the apartment after that. All because I did the quest for the gold idol. 🙄🙄
Bro I was trying to get Madeleine for the longest time, bit apparently I maxed her affinity just berely after I beat Grigori for the first time. Smh
My "true love" was damn Caxton the weapon seller in Gran Soren. I tried to get Mercedes but no. I thought the game was getting meta on me, "you say you love Mercedes but you know it's the gear seller you truly can't live without!" The end scene... I imagined him saying "They're masterworks all! Can't go wrong!" as it fades to black.
The funniest shit I've ever heard xD It just happened to me today as well. I got Caxton when I was hopping to get Selene but I don't know how this stupid "affinity" mechanic works.
I got Madeline today, wich was super awkward because I didn’t like her and only boosted her affinity for the shop items. I was all like „nooo wtf!“ when they started making out :D
I was Caxton, but he go in beach after the true ending. Dragon kidnapped Madeleine, but she maybe run a mi Arisen’s house
As much as I love Monster Hunter, no monster has an entrance this good.
Iceborne Fatalis would disagree with you, though I still find Grigori far more interesting.
@@CCProductions I'm wearing Fatalis as a codpiece.
Lol, he does slap but he just shows up, yells at you then shytes and pizzez fire everywhere. Nothing wrong with that but Grigori does the same, after literally being the entire first and second act of the game's antagonist. He talks, even armchair philosophers and when you finally get to fight him he just puffs out his chest and waits for you to try.
He's one Safi nova away from being the coolest dragon in all of fantasy.
The fun bit is knowing the lore/speculation of Fatalis and 'The Dragon'. How both may actually be Former challengers transformed.
well none can talk to you like big red here. but if we ignore the speech and just take his actual approach into the start of a battle. I think alot of monsters out do him.
@@Vulcanfaux The speech is one thing but it's the presentation and symbolism that hit home.
A omnipotent monster smashes into your village, steals your literally heart then half a game later just stands proud in front of you daring you to change your well shyted pants and meat your maker(literally).
It's in a whole different league to just dropping in and roaring(which is often dope af btw, I'm not talking shyte here).
@@Vulcanfaux nah, I am
a veteran monster hunter player with over thousands of hours stacked across portable and console games, from online and frontier to 4u, iceborne and rise. And I say very select few monsters approach grigori's sheer epicness. You gotta factor in the fact that griori rivals fatalis' design who in return is the most badass elder dragon in the franchise. Dare I say that I find griori even more intimidating design wise alone. But that's not to undermine fatalis or any other sick monster such as alatreon. That is just a testament over how much of an outlier dragon's dogma's villain was.
Has the best design out of any fictional dragon, has the most badass voice of any dragon, is the wittiest of them all. And his one liner would make even Gandalf wet his knickers.
Yup that is griori for you
*"Now... Choose.''*
-Death Incarnate
Literally Death as an enemy at Bitterblack: *"Am I a joke to you?"*
@@Idkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk50 me: yes you kind of are
"What is your purpose here, Arisen?" The delivery is too fucking good. Like every line this voice actor absolutely perfects, every line is powerful as hell. And the one I quoted just has so much weight, and is probably my favorite. I especially love how he circles back to "I ask again, what is your purpose here, Arisen?" after breaking down human behavior to our hero. Can't wait for the sequel.
it's so weird seeing mercedes panicking around goblins; she isn't exactly a pushover
Chara To be fair she had no weapons and Grigori behind her should she try to flee
She's really just an ornamental commander sent by her dad as a 'gift' to the Duke Edmun. Julien tears into her and makes a laughing stock out of her in their duel, and she even admits her pathetic fighting ability to the player, and promises to return to them when she gets stronger. You only ever see her actually fight the one time, and she's escorted by the Arisen and several knights. Sadly, she IS a pushover
@@FeralColumbidae Julien is in a whole other league though
@@Vilverna Well sure, the guy is a skilled fighter and clearly backs up his shittalk. But him being as good as he is doesn't mean Mercedes is good, but not as good as him. She's an awful fighter. She and Julien both know it, and that's why she needs the help of the fated hero to help her gank in a duel if she wants any chance of winning.
It took me a week not to call her 'Casca'.
Grigori: The one Dragon that would put Smaug to shame.
I think smaug is bigger thsn grigori, by a pretty big margin too...
@@victorklep5261 that’s not the point.
@@victorklep5261 one knows magic the other only spits fire
@@victorklep5261 smaug being bigger would make no difference. One is a simple giant fire breathing wyvern and the other is a literal nigh omnipotent dragon god that can only be slayed by a chosen arisen. And he has access to all kinds of magic including death spells.
Smaug gets obliterated
@@jonasfadi8213 not to mention gregori is a former arisen and probably a mystic knight or a sorcerer.
My all time favorite Dragon...EVER!
same
Same
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I mean is there even a competition lol.
The closest dragon to being this badass in gaming is fatalis from monster hunter.
Same
Amazing how the develepors fit his voice to a giant intelligent dragon. I'd say the voice matched the physiology perfectly.
That "I ask again..." Chills
The moment you hear the dragons voice, you can't help but think that he is doing research for his book
Might as well call my Arisen Pain
One of the few games that does a Dragon correctly.
Intimidating and four legs, allowing the front claws to be used as both weapons, or even casting spells.
Along with that, allowing him to stand up tall and proudly as his wings spread to envelop the sky, blocking out the sun as his head is held high.
unlike other games where they take the Wyvern design and the "dragon" spends more time eating mud by holding their entire body as low as possible to the ground.
Grigori was intimidating as hell.
That's mostly because while hunting predators get low
@@ryan1000011 Its a fantasy dragon though.
To hunt it spits fire, grabs prey with a flyby, or just stomp them with their claw.
@@jefthereaper oh absolutely but myth and art pull from nature so just trying to rationalize the decision
@@ryan1000011Sure, and in many cases that works quite well.
But when it comes to dragons I believe this design is superior.
The low to the ground or two limb version is usually used by movie and game designers to give them a more threatening appearance.
And I cannot stress enough how big of a mistake that is.
A dragon's design has always been so successful due to its representation of "pride", its grandiose stature and appearing as a insurmountable mountain.
They are not supposed to be creepy, they are supposed to be imposing, yet carry themselves somewhat majestically.
This is why Grigori is one of the best game dragons, despite games like Skyrim existing, who's "Dragons" are pretty forgettable despite being the central theme of the game.
They even do the part correctly where a Dragon's breath attack is beyond what most magic can achieve, but also not being the Dragon's only option as in many older stories with dragons, they are usually adapt at spellcasting too, far outclassing any combat skills most humans would acquire in a lifetime.
I wish we could've heard more from Grigori
I've been wanting to take the opening cutscene where he rips your heart out to my University's Latin Department so I can get a translation of what he says.
do it do it
And you did ?
Don't think he's the social type....
well? :3
The sexiest dragon in all of gaming
Alexstraza: can I help you?
@@tlmacmillan1 lmao get that whack wow skank outta here
In Deny Salvation you get the hint that Grigori or Great Dragon isn't the beast they told us from how he spoke to us. Then you get to this scene and that's the moment where it hit you that there was something else going on.
Gregori, the Great Dragon...
He is no demon, not a thing of evil. He offers a choice, not a temptation. A test to prove the worth of one who's will would shoulder the world.
No, I say that Gregori is an angel, a messenger of the almighty sent to find the one who would be his replacement. An angel of destruction that calls the hero to action, but never forced them to do anything. This is the Dragon's Dogma: To choose is to exert will, to have will is to live. To choose is life itself...
The throne lies beyond, arisen... Have you the will to see this challenge through?
The way I see it, Grigori is the opposite of the Seneschal and yet they work together. For if they fail to beat the dragon then they take the dragon’s place
@@isaacmcconley4965 if you fail to beat the Dragon, or die before you reach him, you become one of the lesser drakes. Listen to the lesser dragons. They still retain memories of their past life.
This was actually pretty pleasant to read. Write more.
Fuckin love his voice.
dude like same
Grigori VS Midir is my true wet dream dragon fight.
Oh. My. God... My two favorite Dragons of all time, from any source.
Midir is just the god's guard dog, grigori is sexy
Spooky Skeleton if you knew Grigori’s purpose, then you realize he’s just a glorified guard dog as well
@@j.vinton4039 yeah to fate
I've re-watched this an unhealthy amount of times. Such a fantastic voice actor and such a damn good speech!
I think the last hour of this game’s story is probably my favorite of any game I’ve played, ever. Even the scripted parts, even the quick time events. The dialogue and voice acting is just astronomical.
Post game is alright.
I'm thankful that my first experience playing the game was months after the Dark Arisen expansion dropped. I thouight I was ready for Bitterblack the moment I was able to cheese my way past Grigori and the Seneschal. Boy, that first Eliminator proved me wrong.
@@BadKarma444 wait till you get to the Ur dragon
The Grigori are bound by their duty to the seneschal, but this one clearly has other plans. He's not just trying to make sure you're up to the task of killing him as the seneschal demands, but he slips you the godsbane dagger in his death as a final middle finger to fate so that you can actually finish the cycle after offing the seneschal with their own godsbane sword.
That's where you are wrong. The cycle is never ending, never breaking wheel. At least to the lore here are the outcomes:
1. Accept the bargain of dragon - rule the land. New Arisen is chosen for same Dragon.
2. Kill the dragon and challenge seneschal, but loose the fight - you are casted down from rift and reincarnated as new dragon.
3. Kill the dragon amd defetead the seneschal - seneschal becomes the dragon, while you ascend the throne - ever waiting for another to break you free.
No matter you do, if you choose to resist and fight you are bound to be part of the cycle as Arisen and the dragon, and as seneschal if you are deemed worthy, only to recycle the fate at some point.
Only those who run and accept the dragon bargain are truly set free from cycle - fates irony, since they are not reincarneted either as dragons or new arisens. They cease to exist.
@@tengizoniani5029Where is that stated in the lore? From what I remember the only ones removed from the cycle were Seneschals, and maybe the dragons, upon death.
@@tengizoniani5029 você confundiu algumas coisas aí no final.
Quando se derrota o senescal ele pede pra ser morto e liberto da maldição.
Se o Arisen perder a batalha contra o senescal Arisen não morre pela espada godsbane ele simplesmente cai dos Céus em forma de dragão e outro ciclo se inicia .
Quando o Arisen se torna o senescal ele se mata nos céus e caiu na terra junto de seu companheiro.
O pawn principal se funde ao corpo do Arisen e ele fica com o corpo do mestre.
Having speeding through this game, paying no mind to side quests, I ended up having the little girl in the red dress as my beloved... Turned a pretty decent ended into a pretty awkward one.
Pedo ending.
You saying it like its a bad thing
*Gran Soren guards angry knocking angrily*
Genuinely hope they refine that system if they decide to bring it back especially because with the current climate in the gaming world that would blow up in all the wrong ways
that line where the subtitles are missing for the goblins says:
"We kills 'em cuz we wants 'em dead!"
Its sad that this Grigori was 1000x better than the new one.
The fact that you have to skip Grigori’s dialogue and fight to get the true ending is absurd. I understand that Grigori is different. Clearly dd2 Grigori is more of an unwilling prisoner of the cycle like we are, but I feel like the dd1 route worked better
@@yamnbam4346 Grigori raises a hero. He knows you're striving beyond normal men. He loves it. He wants to make sure in every fiber of your being that you're really ready to take up arms and fight against evil. Even tempts you with so much, to make sure you are a TRUE hero.
Loving this whole aspect SO MUCH in DD1 makes the whole Nihilistic worldforged seem insanely lame in comparison.
Grigori best waifu
the only game I don't actually mind playing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and -continues saying over and over and over and over and over and over and-
just kill Grigori and have fun in the Everfall, that's what I did the second time I beat this game, and also explore the new Gransys...
The never ending wheel.
"Wealth and Power are sweet anodyn for heartache" Damn.
2:19 cute ears ❤️
He’s making the most of being a dragon
What a beautiful boy
All these years and this speech still gives me goosebumps
"Youll gainsay my terms are more than generous " whoo that still gives me chills I've played this game since it came out and every time I see Grigori I still fear him and I'm max level!!
The way grigori give us all the options and explains the deal the duke made before us... god damn epic speech
this speech is a poem through and through, i cannot be convinced otherwise, the way, weight and measure in wich is spoken, the elegant and beautiful choice of words, if taken out of context one could interpret It in so many ways, in one such way It reminds me a bit of Parmenides's poem somehow
I'm so glad Grigori doesn’t have the cliche deep villain voice.
He's so cool!
(The Netflix Series doesn't count)
Just watched it. Came here to cleanse my eyes and ears...
@@otal2294 It's the only way.
@@orion_x-000 I was a bit hyped when I heard it existed but then as soon as I heard the dragons I yelled "that's no grigori". Same with a lot of "artistic liberties" taken. I would much rather they use the original or at least try to mimic a bit. Like the way people speak for instance. I couldn't for the life of me understand why the dragon spoke in a way so much more dated than the game and everyone else spoke normal English... I really like the little touches of "aught" and stuff in the original. Why they didn't do it is beyond me...
This is what I call an "enemy".
truly an artist of words. jesus christ
This never gets old.
Please pay £1 to hear grigoris speech
they did him so dirty in the Sequel.
Grigori is such a unique and charismatic antagonist. I absolutely love him. His fight and the song that come along are absolutely epic
Very underrated game. Still holding out hope for a sequel.
It got announced today 👍
Your wish was granted, you won that honor through just such a bargain.
my god this speech is epic
Philosophical speech that why I loved This Game and especially this dragon
Dammit my characters "beloved" was the dumb princess and I wanted to kill her but I also wanted to complete the objective of the game and *fight the goddamn dragon.*
As in the Duchess? Yeah, if you complete her sidequest she's automatically your beloved. However, there's a way around it: during the rescue quest, abuse the shit out of her. I spent about twenty minutes throwing her full-force into a wall, followed by a good ten minutes of flinging her into the cold water. She was *not* happy, and I managed to drain all of her affection points that way. Thus she wasn't my 'beloved' for this scene. This is a pro tip for all future Arisen who don't want that forced bullshit for your character but still want to 100% the game.
I love the idea of saying 'Hey Grigori, can you kill her *then* we fight?
kenjutsukata1o1 wait what? Did her quest and ended up with Madeline, and the last time I saw her was in the dungeon and then I never saw her again
@@FOREEAL So weird cause I had the best outcome with Fournivals daughter and completed the quest with the Dutchess but I got Selene as "love interest"
@@CardhouseAnimal It entirely depends on whose affinity you maxed out last before Deny Salvation's ending. Over time affinity is regressing again.
This might be the most eloquent villain speech ever.
>Mercedes as your beloved
Absolute chad.
Also, I think what I love most is that they could have just made it an option select on a dialogue screen, but no, you have to physically walk towards Grigori to challenge him.
When I got to this scene, I didn’t just walk towards him; I drew my sword first. It added something to it I felt.
Same dude. Physically making you decide made it so much more badass!
"It's folly to attack it head on!"
Me: *Attacks it head on like a maniac*
How many of you had the blacksmith in this cutscene because you didn't know romancing was a thing.
This and senator Armstrong from Metal gear rising are among some of the best pre-boss fight speeches in gaming
Better fool, than craven.
I always thought this game shared a lot of similarities to Berserk.
Pedro Kantor that was intentional, the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions even had Berserk armors and weapons.
Mercedes design is based off of Casca supposedly.
Gutts vs Grigori would be an anazing fight, but I also get the feeling that Grigori would be against Griffith and the Godhand.
A year late, but there's even a character preset that greatly resembles Guts. One eye closed, scar across his face, same haircut, tall, left arm bare, and a huge sword on his back. I never understood why he looked like that when I first got this game. I hadn't read/watched Berserk, but after looking into it some more recently (thanks to Dark Souls 3) I immediately realized who that preset was supposed to be. Pretty good impression of him actually.
@@TheStraightestWhitest they also had direct cross promotional content with the trilogy for Berserk: The Golden Age Arc which had come out around the same time dragon's dogma was released. at this point i dont know why we keep getting shitty berserk games when we have masterpieces like dragons dogma and the souls series reminding us how completely possible it is to make a good one.
@@Shad0wmoses unfortunately now on the Dark Arisen version of the game on console, theres no way to gain the Berserk promo items anymore
The merchant who sells them still shows up with items to give but guts and Griffiths armor sets are no longer available
Cannot wait to see what they do with this concept in the sequel. 45 days away!
Grigori is my favourite red dragon.
this game needs to be remastered for next gen and have more DLC love, or at least bring back the dragons dogma online. forever my #1 favorite game, will never get bored of playing it
Dragons dogma 2 has been confirmed in a leak. Should be out 2023 at the latest.
@@natediaz1863 It has been confirmed
I have 16 playthroughs of the main campaign and over 200 hours on record for my 360 version. Shame that they ended the servers for last gen
BirbBoi Productions PC4ever baby!
Servers for ps3 are still running
Smaug: I AM THE MOST BAD ASS DRAGON OF ALL TIME I HAVE AN AMAZING VOICE PROVIDED BY MY FRIEND BENEDICT!!
GRIGORI: Hold my beer bitch
If this game is being remade or if this character gets added in a new one... We better get that same voice actor. His voice makes the game 10 times better
This fantastic game is a bit short on story in many parts but damn were the developers able to deliver when it mattered the most. This scene is so well produced it's saddening that not more gamers are familiar with it. The voice acting, the actual things Grigori says, the framings of the shots, the cuts, it's just perfection.
I love the goblins in the background lmfao.
Smaugs voice Actor is good but Grigoris is Just at another level
Hardest cutscene of all gaming ever
Wait... that voice sounds familiar to me... I don't know why... It's almost as if David Lodge plays another main antagonist within the Persona Series... Oh yeah, The God of Control, Yaldabaoth.
Mercedes best girl. I aimed for her at first but I made the mistake to talk with mathias before this quest :(
I really hope that DG2 has dialogue as deep as this one
So true!
This goes so unbelievably hard, they should've double down and solely focus on Grigori narratively
That is a very philosophical dragon. 🤔
I see you are a man of culture
I need to play this again, so epic
You are reading this comment because the new trailer of DD2 just dropped and David Lodge's return has been confirmed.
Grigori: "If you wanted to li-"
Me: "Yeah well when you took my heart bleach doesn't work so good anymore!"
Mr Elite ... what does that even mean?
Mr Grigori.....i don't feel so good
big mood
i love this beautiful dragon
Dragon's Dogma 2's Grigori doesn't even come close to the first game's Grigori.
I've never been so aroused and intimidated at the same time lol
If David lodge is not voicing the anime, I'm rioting
He's not voicing Grigori.😢
Such a shame, this voice is perfect.😔
Let's hope the anime still does well.
I always wondered. Who was the Dragon when Savan slayed it? Those who are the Dragon die permanently when the Arisen kills them, but when Savan sees the Dragon, it’s voiced by Grigori. But, Savan kills his dragon and ascends to the Seneschal. Yet, our Dragon is voiced by Grigori also. So confusing..
It could be that the Dragon's voice is the same for all dragons. At least in the series this happens (regardless of how much of a dissapointment it was)
However, Savan kills his dragon and doesnt fail in his fight for Seneschal, then when does grigori come? When does he fail to be Seneschal? Could it be that once a new Seneschal is selected the world "restarts" (since we can see Gran Soren and Cassardis completely untouched as Seneschal)?
I think it's very possible that Savan is the last "true" Arisen. I mean, the opening kinda makes it seem like Savan's confrontation with the dragon was a really long time ago, and considering that he's been Seneschal since, it's more than possible that Grigori is just that effective. I mean, Grigori, whenever he speaks to us seems pretty fed up with it all, which could mean that he's been the Dragon for multiple cycles now with there being no one to replace him. So once you take over, Grigori is the Dragon once more, because there was no one before you to replace him
Fuck, Grigori reminds me of Zodd so much, from Berserk.
I love that same English va for the dragon returned for the English dub of the anime
Kind of jealous of the arisen because they can hear his voice whenever they put their hand against their chest o.o
I hope in the supposed new Dragon's Dogma, we get the same dragon and same voice if it's a reboot/remake as the leaks say...
But not Mankind. Some welcome the end with arms outstretched, while others come to face death incarnate, arms in hand.
Holy shit it’s Louisoix Leveilleur I just freaking noticed…..no wonder I liked him so much he was my boy Grigori all along
HOLY SHIT REALLY
@@ASplashOfCol0urs Yes Sir, same voice actor
@MrZombert it's not he's voiced in the new game by a guy named Graham
@@ASplashOfCol0urs Seriously that’s a shame I liked the first voice of Grigori
@@MrZombert same
Dragons Dogma Netflix has just been announced! hopefully its good.
It Is, but the voice of Grigori in Netflix sounds "evil" but not cool
@@VenomEmi What bugs me about that is that they got the same VA as the game.
@@jackmorgan1710 really???? D: WOW what happened Netflix!
There isn't any cutscene in all the games I've played that has made me laugh more than this one here. The second time I played the game the dragon picked Quina's father as my beloved.
Aiyo this man went up fighting Grigori with a fucking Wooden Board Shield. Gigachad and absolute based
The true "Legendary Black Dragon" we monster hunter fans never actually got.
Im not asking for an outright talking "philoso-fatalis" but at least something a bit more supporting of the lore Fatalis is associated with in the games.
I hope Iceborne will throw us some bones...
A 'philoso-fatalis' would be cool tbh
@@gluever54 Ground breaking as far as mh lore goes but certainly cool
Bruh Grigori was just released today
@William King I mean elder dragons are supposed to be intelligent beings it would make sense for them to learn the human language . Honestly I am kinda surprised they haven't done it already
It just doesnt fit the lore and aesthetic of the game. It's too human. Games like dragons dogma it fits well but not games like monster hunter.
Imagine if you could pick the sacrifice option.
Romance someone you hate, sacrifice them, Grigori peaces out, and everything is well. Well, except that monsters still run on the land
I mean, you can but you get a bad end
IM OLD GREGG
Based romance decision.
I can honestly see him as a final boss in Fire Emblem three houses.
YOUR ARISEN LOOKS IDENTICAL TO MINE WTF
Pics or it didn't happen.
HI, DRAGON, YOU'RE REALLY FUCKING COOL.
Who's here after the Dragon's Dogma 2 trailer? Lol
Dude, I am SO fucking hype
@@Goujer I need to replay the first one. I don't think I got to beat it before my Xbox 360 back then decided to die.
@@lordofsmug8546 I'm literally playing right now, this game is so good
Grigori’s voice actor also did Jiraya from Naruto
Chad Grigori Virgin Alduin
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I ADORE DD2. L152h for my first playthrough. However, DD2's dragon holds no candle over Grigori in mystique, stature and poetic speech. The writing for his dialogues in DD1 is flawless. I think it's fine for them to be different since it's not the same dragon, but still in terms of presentation and dialogue, they could have done better.
when you are a fighter and you destroy grigori in a flash surryyaa!!!!