I didn't believe it even when I heard this, so I tested it myself. From round start, the distance Paul backswings approximately halves with one backdash of the opponent.
I had no idea i could loop them with the deep sway change, thats so sick actually thank you for this video my neutral will certainly get better from it
Its definitely good, and it makes Paul a lot of fun to play. But eating any of the stance lows either puts paul at - or at 0, so its not like the pressure continues as seems to be the trend with stance pressure. Scariest low pressure frame wise is sway cancelling into ss3 or b4 which are +4, but then df1 trades with jab so it can be challenged easily. Theres layers to it, and so the character doesnt play itself. He is still a defensive beast more than anything.
The real difference between df1b and ws1,2b lies in the fact that ws1,2b is +1 on block instead of +3. This means the mix-up can be interrupted by any 14-frame move, no longer by a 12-frame move. There are many strong 14-frame mid moves with the range to catch the sway, which force Paul to cancel-block and reset the neutral if ws1,2 is blocked. Essentially, if the opponent knows what they're doing, ws1,2b leaves Paul with MUCH less room to work compared to df1b.
I've played Paul since T2, and since his sway came into play, i also never knew it was a proximity thing. I just never labbed it enough. I thought it was a hold type of thing. Thanks, bro, hope to run some matches again with this new tech.
Yeah I think it's also faster. There's something in the wiki about deep dive entering a 10 frame deadzone where it either adds startup frames to your attacks, or you can't do anything (so cancelling with sidestep doesn't allow you to act, either).
he is good in a game where theres characters who not only got a good df1, they got a 6 frame launcher or infinite range plus on block counter hit launchers so who cares ?
Oh can we do requests? Need a video on df4 pls and ty. I've been gassing up df4 since forever. Having a -2 mid is so much fun. Need more ppl to see the vision.
No good player is going to just sit there and let you do any of this, watch any high ranked paul player the most you'll see is the back sway cancel back into df+1 - maybe sometimes df+1,1,2 everything else is too slow or too risky
Thanks for the video. Any ideas how to do the df1 sway loop consistently? Sometimes, I went into the deep dive stance if i wanted to do df1 sway again. Any visual cues on when to press the df1 again?
Let me get this straight..you make a Paul tutorial then use Alex OST from 3S? You're getting my thumbs up and sub! Great tutorial! T8 is my first and I'm coming from SF.
Hey love your Vids bro, I just started using Paul and this was timely and helpful! Quick question - I can't for the life of me figure out how to side step cancel sway into the FOREGROUND (doesn't matter which side) after DF 1 or WS 1, 2 into sway. Only seems to work for the back ground. Any tips? Seen G.o.D Pauls do it!
Sidestepping to the foreground to cancel sway is literally impossible. Keep in mind if you're playing against someone and they're on P2-side (on your screen) their sway cancel will look like it's to the foreground, cause for you it is (because they're sidestepping left). But on their screen they're P1 side and are in fact sidestepping to the background. It's one of those oddities with you playing on whichever side you chose and it being mirrored (when necessary) to your opponent online (and vice versa). The same rules apply for CCs (crouch cancelling). For example if you force someone to crouch with f1+2 if they're P1 side (on their screen) they can't sidestep to their right, but if they're actually P2-side then they can't sidestep to their left (because you can only crouch cancel, i.e sidestep out of a crouch, into the background).
@@SlCKNESS_ hey thanks for the reply! Saw it happen with the p#1 Paul player named Hexmark. I've worked it out I think - after much labbing I'm guessing he actually SS cancels into the BACKground as usual, but then steps into the FOREgrounds straight after. This is possible because of holding back to guard cancel the first step which allows you to go straight into another step, in this case into the foreground. Super hard to do, gotta have quick as fingers. Not sure its worth it and there will be that slightest bit delay unless you're that fast. I can do it sometimes on hit box.
@@Jainko More than that, you can do *any* move that doesn't require a b or n input (his 2+4 throw is the only exception to the latter). You can do moves like hopkick, power crush, ub+2, or d+1+2, but you cannot do moves like b+3 or standing 3. Those require a backsway cancel.
I been playing for tekken 5 years now seriously. This shit is so hard for me to do lol do you have any tips on hitting the df1 consistently? I usually accidentally go into deep dive.
tbh I don't get why Paul is allowed that BS sway together with all the moves out of it that are VERY delayable... If I press, I die; if I don't press he can mix me up. And then sidestepping feels fucking aweful bcs every move of him randomly tracks fucking 180° degree for no reason. Idk, just feels unfair to play against
You know I wanted to pick up Paul because he seemed like an easy character to pick up and play, but after seeing all this content he might be too complex for me
Also worth mentioning Sway 3,2,1 wallcrushes and becomes +7 at the wall. The string is still somewhat a gimmick because of fuzzy ducking the high, but still crazy against people who don't know the timing.
Thank you! Was playing vs a good Paul recently and was amazed by how OP this string is. It has little to no counterplay either. No one should have something like this in the game.
As a paul main with over 5k games of him in Tekken 8. People talk about df1 like this and then leave out the counterplay. All you need to do to stop df1 bs df1, is backdash cancel. The 2nd df1 will whiff. This will naturally make the paul want to go into df1> dpd low on the next sequnce, because its the only option that will reach. This makes it easy to call out lowblocks. Paul has a very hard time against anyone who can break throws, and doesnt mash. You will usually lose against a solid player before you land 12+ low pokes.
If you SSR duck I can reset the situation again with df1. And if you are really committed to doing SSR then I can push my offense from there and force you to make a decision beyond that on timings.
I dont know but for me Paul is a really broken character if played well, you cannot afford to make mistakes against paul as his certain moves are very high damaging punishers and character is just different when played up close and played at a distance, make 2 mistakes and you are at the verge of dying without even getting a punish combo. The only reason devs dont nerf paul is coz for some reason people dont think he is strong enough to play(I've lost about 5-600 games against my friend's paul while I was learning this game from T-7 so I'm pretty sure I somewhat know what I'm saying XD ).
Buff paul
lol i saw you on Twitter 😆 erock here
You just made my Paul gameplay way scarier, thanks man!
Finally someone started to talk about this
Love this video. Thank for the sway rundown! Never fully realized the potential of Paul’s sway but this will really upgrade my play!
I didn't know about the proximity thing with sway! So interesting
I didn't believe it even when I heard this, so I tested it myself.
From round start, the distance Paul backswings approximately halves with one backdash of the opponent.
When i discovered Paul, I once again felt motivated to learn character and actually have fun.
I had no idea i could loop them with the deep sway change, thats so sick actually thank you for this video my neutral will certainly get better from it
high mid mix is fuzzy-able out of the sway low string. He can choose not to commit though but risks getting punished for the second hit
Hmm I can't remember right now, aren't both thirds hits delayable?
@@soldadodeltecno8180 The mid is very delayable, the high isn't
How that fuzzy guard able? The frame data show that the move start at the same frame (i15 frame move)
@@mastergaming-wd4zh They are referring to the high and mid after sway 3,2, not sway 2 or 4.
Its definitely good, and it makes Paul a lot of fun to play. But eating any of the stance lows either puts paul at - or at 0, so its not like the pressure continues as seems to be the trend with stance pressure. Scariest low pressure frame wise is sway cancelling into ss3 or b4 which are +4, but then df1 trades with jab so it can be challenged easily. Theres layers to it, and so the character doesnt play itself. He is still a defensive beast more than anything.
Great vid bro!
The paul up playing is unreal 🥶
they really turned this guy into male nina williams frfr
Love the Tekken 2 Paul theme playing in the background
Super insightful man! Love the changes to Paul, really spiced up his kit.
This addition was the best upgrade for Paul.
The real difference between df1b and ws1,2b lies in the fact that ws1,2b is +1 on block instead of +3. This means the mix-up can be interrupted by any 14-frame move, no longer by a 12-frame move. There are many strong 14-frame mid moves with the range to catch the sway, which force Paul to cancel-block and reset the neutral if ws1,2 is blocked. Essentially, if the opponent knows what they're doing, ws1,2b leaves Paul with MUCH less room to work compared to df1b.
I've played Paul since T2, and since his sway came into play, i also never knew it was a proximity thing. I just never labbed it enough. I thought it was a hold type of thing. Thanks, bro, hope to run some matches again with this new tech.
you don't even need deep dive to do WS moves out of crouch dash, you can do d,df,n just like feng wei. Try it, it's super easy
Yeah I think it's also faster. There's something in the wiki about deep dive entering a 10 frame deadzone where it either adds startup frames to your attacks, or you can't do anything (so cancelling with sidestep doesn't allow you to act, either).
really helpful vid. picked up paul as my 2nd main (yoshi main) and just fell in love with the character, so fun to play.
I’m a Paul main and yeah nah yall gotta stop gassing this man up he is so mid
Lmao..Paul be carrying hard
@@azteckjumbie9344 open up ranked match rn and pick Paul you’re gonna start shitting and pissing and crying after 3 games
Nah paul is balanced+ really good mix and big baby damage😂
Bro you're mid, Paul is awesome
Paul is easy asf
This is some good tech. Thanks Landon!
I was wondering on how to work with Paul`s df1, so I got lucky to find this video.
Short answer: no counterplay
im so tired of people dowplaying paul
I'm so tired
I’m
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he is good in a game where theres characters who not only got a good df1, they got a 6 frame launcher or infinite range plus on block counter hit launchers so who cares ?
He's very powerful and the type of character that's almost guaranteed a hit just by pressing a button
Dude's getting cracked with the uploads 💯
This is the good stuff thanks man.
You can also get a clean hit deathfist off df112 if you're clean
Needed this so bad thanks a ton
wow, I did not know that after sway, you can df to deep dive.... thanks!!!
More paul guides please
OP is an overstatement compared to other atrocities the balance team has done in the game.
Nice catch 💪
How do u do the mix up of back sway with side step very fast?
Can u give us a hint on how to do it ?
again solid take
Thanks!
How do you get the Paul Outfit on the right @5:39
Paul Tekken 4 costume at 5:30 ... Is that a mod??
I went back to Paul, still using Law, but I like Paul as a character more.
This is good content, makes me want to pick up Paul.
I don’t really understand the point of the deep dive stance is it just to get closer to the opponent while being evasive?
Oh can we do requests? Need a video on df4 pls and ty. I've been gassing up df4 since forever. Having a -2 mid is so much fun. Need more ppl to see the vision.
Paul been my main since TT2 💪🏽
first time ive seen paul not look clunky af
Good video. Thanks
please teach more paul
Is the other paul's outfit a mod?
I want that p2 outfit!
No good player is going to just sit there and let you do any of this, watch any high ranked paul player
the most you'll see is the back sway cancel back into df+1 - maybe sometimes df+1,1,2
everything else is too slow or too risky
Is that P2 Paul outfit where it's the one from Tekken 4 a mod? I can't find it anywhere online or in the Tekken store
Any other paul mains out there with a broken db from swaying too much? 🤣 Strongest in the universe!
Thanks for the video. Any ideas how to do the df1 sway loop consistently? Sometimes, I went into the deep dive stance if i wanted to do df1 sway again. Any visual cues on when to press the df1 again?
You can practice doing any move that has a F input, F2 for example, to figure out the timing
Let me get this straight..you make a Paul tutorial then use Alex OST from 3S? You're getting my thumbs up and sub! Great tutorial! T8 is my first and I'm coming from SF.
just beware of stuff like law d23
This was a fun watch. The backsway DPD transition and changes to DPD4 are so nice.
Will gladly be here for the Paul propaganda.
Where u get that Paul alt pants costume?
How did u get Pauls tekken 4 outfit?
Hey love your Vids bro, I just started using Paul and this was timely and helpful!
Quick question - I can't for the life of me figure out how to side step cancel sway into the FOREGROUND (doesn't matter which side) after DF 1 or WS 1, 2 into sway. Only seems to work for the back ground. Any tips? Seen G.o.D Pauls do it!
Sidestepping to the foreground to cancel sway is literally impossible. Keep in mind if you're playing against someone and they're on P2-side (on your screen) their sway cancel will look like it's to the foreground, cause for you it is (because they're sidestepping left). But on their screen they're P1 side and are in fact sidestepping to the background. It's one of those oddities with you playing on whichever side you chose and it being mirrored (when necessary) to your opponent online (and vice versa). The same rules apply for CCs (crouch cancelling). For example if you force someone to crouch with f1+2 if they're P1 side (on their screen) they can't sidestep to their right, but if they're actually P2-side then they can't sidestep to their left (because you can only crouch cancel, i.e sidestep out of a crouch, into the background).
@@SlCKNESS_ hey thanks for the reply! Saw it happen with the p#1 Paul player named Hexmark.
I've worked it out I think - after much labbing I'm guessing he actually SS cancels into the BACKground as usual, but then steps into the FOREgrounds straight after. This is possible because of holding back to guard cancel the first step which allows you to go straight into another step, in this case into the foreground.
Super hard to do, gotta have quick as fingers. Not sure its worth it and there will be that slightest bit delay unless you're that fast. I can do it sometimes on hit box.
@@fedor260yeah the (up:down) just frame tech 😂 its very hard to do consistently but I guess it can be very useful too in some matchups
Paul is my goat.
It's all good until you run into S tier masher with 12 frames
uh oh time to start learning how to sidestep 💀
@@CosmicVoid420 teach me how to side step while in the middle of crouch dash ( simultaneously) you can't 💀. Cus thats what i meant.
@@yawarsaeed5176you can cancel sway with a sidestep. also df1b2 and dfb4 trades with i12 moves so theyre not a big problema
@ilusha2447 yeah but not every character is weak to the cancelable side. So it's still risky unless your 5050 is perfect.
@@IkenFister dude u can literally just sidestep block
How do you keep doing df1? Do you back sway cancel or just keep doing df1?
Df1~b and then there's a sweet spot where you can do any move with a df or f input involved out of sway. No cancel
@@Jainko More than that, you can do *any* move that doesn't require a b or n input (his 2+4 throw is the only exception to the latter). You can do moves like hopkick, power crush, ub+2, or d+1+2, but you cannot do moves like b+3 or standing 3. Those require a backsway cancel.
@@RyuHousen true! I didn't think about that but I remember doing db4 and D1+2 a lot out of sway. Wasn't sure of the rules
Paul is my favorite he is the strongest!!!
this shit is tight
If your losing to Paul you aren’t side stepping enough
Paul has some oppressive homing moves, can't just mindlessly step.
Agreed and if you delay after df 1 you can hit by sway or new stance 12 or 4
I would better fight another Dragunov and Ling, instead of Paul. He is really OP
Paul df 1 sway always been a problem for me in every tekken. Though I never labbed it or knew the frames. Can't remember if he got it in Tag 2 or T6.
i tought i was getting gimicked by a paul doing this the other day, after wathcing this i now understand its just OP lol
Buff Paul
Everytime i get hit by d4 2 1+2 i want to die…
One small detail - I would lower the music volume a bit. I can understand you no problem, but it could be a bit better.
I agree, just a liiiittle too loud
I've just been watching speedkivks absolutely abused people with this character and this move
He a fighter.
Panic input is just to armor through to frustrate your critical analysis mix.😅
I been playing for tekken 5 years now seriously. This shit is so hard for me to do lol do you have any tips on hitting the df1 consistently? I usually accidentally go into deep dive.
Ws 1,2 reminds me of the dempsey roll I be spamming that shit LOL
This was already so good in T7... Now it's even more degenerate since this is the game's meta.
tbh I don't get why Paul is allowed that BS sway together with all the moves out of it that are VERY delayable...
If I press, I die; if I don't press he can mix me up. And then sidestepping feels fucking aweful bcs every move of him randomly tracks fucking 180° degree for no reason. Idk, just feels unfair to play against
Yeah true, but other chars does it x10 better, buff Paul
Ah so I was right all along.
You know I wanted to pick up Paul because he seemed like an easy character to pick up and play, but after seeing all this content he might be too complex for me
nah, hes not complex at all. keep playing him and youll see it yourself
@ilusha2447 his kit is simple, but taking him to the high ranks is type hard.
@@IkenFister i dont think so man, in this game its not that hard
Im pretty sure I played you
op huh
Also worth mentioning Sway 3,2,1 wallcrushes and becomes +7 at the wall. The string is still somewhat a gimmick because of fuzzy ducking the high, but still crazy against people who don't know the timing.
Thank you! Was playing vs a good Paul recently and was amazed by how OP this string is. It has little to no counterplay either. No one should have something like this in the game.
There is counterplay to all the options, but the answers are all different moves.
I honestly think he sucks.
As a paul main with over 5k games of him in Tekken 8. People talk about df1 like this and then leave out the counterplay. All you need to do to stop df1 bs df1, is backdash cancel. The 2nd df1 will whiff. This will naturally make the paul want to go into df1> dpd low on the next sequnce, because its the only option that will reach. This makes it easy to call out lowblocks. Paul has a very hard time against anyone who can break throws, and doesnt mash. You will usually lose against a solid player before you land 12+ low pokes.
He just seems like a better version of Bryan.
Most of this (Sway) pressure is fake, because it gets negated by SSR duck.
If you SSR duck I can reset the situation again with df1. And if you are really committed to doing SSR then I can push my offense from there and force you to make a decision beyond that on timings.
I dont know but for me Paul is a really broken character if played well, you cannot afford to make mistakes against paul as his certain moves are very high damaging punishers and character is just different when played up close and played at a distance, make 2 mistakes and you are at the verge of dying without even getting a punish combo. The only reason devs dont nerf paul is coz for some reason people dont think he is strong enough to play(I've lost about 5-600 games against my friend's paul while I was learning this game from T-7 so I'm pretty sure I somewhat know what I'm saying XD ).
yet they keep buffing his a$$
He's good but he's still nowhere near top tier. I'd say more along the lines of 'Viable'
@@ReapingRose115Stop the bs.. Paul is easy mode Top tier ..Takes the brain of a potato to use..
@@azteckjumbie9344 Says the Jack player, think you plug too 🤣
Thank god someone speak paul df1 is op and f1+4 seriously dont need to see + 15 too
Paul grab is also op he is only 10 f homing grab
Wish it was as easy as you make it sound.