Just like the Frost treatment, in MK11 she never had any meterless freezing combos and require meter to to perform one. While in MK1 they made ice ball entirety useless cause nothing connects to it without losing combo.
Yeah but that's from the infinite mixups with him, this sub needs some better damage though he can get around 34-36% consistently for me it's worse than lots of characters
Sub in MK11 is the reason I retired from the game, and I was in the top 1% of ranked players. Even the worst players were able to contend with top tier players and humiliate them, much like the erron black slide/tackle spam.
That's only because he had an insane f2 that was super quick. In this game his b2 is super slow and that's his only OH. Certain kameos allow for consistent 40% but that's with resources. Compared to characters with plus frames on jabs and 50-60% combos
The worst thing about Raiden's Razzle Dazzle is that the current version of it is the "buffed" version after they butchered 3 of his best specials and his passive. They couldn't even be bothered to make the move plus with his passive active. Truly a masterclass of game design
Because Raiden, Johnny, Kenshi, and Sindel were the only characters being used the most before we got Peacemaker. It’s easier to nerf Raiden while still keeping him fine, granted he’s now mostly carried by kameos now, but I will admit that they need to fully list and reevaluate how his passive works.
Razzle dazzle is a combo tool for no resource air juggles from some strings and works to create space and reset neutral on block, not a crazy move but far from being as worthless as some others in this list
@@jaidora yeah, its much rarer, since razzle does not help with his main buttons like the jabs and f434. I legit Just know this because i always do combo trials aand tutorials
@@rockycuro7737 I wouldn’t pin this solely on WB. NRS had a longer dev cycle to make MK1. If anything, they were learning to use a new engine for this game and that’s probably why it feels so bare compared to MK11.
Faster invis. Fallings Fangs EX into cancel still better tho. Temp invis and has armor IIRC standard invis had the same time current EX does but it was nerfed for EX to exist… bruh
@@AmiriHipHop honestly I was back and forth, but wasn't sure i had enough entries for a 2nd part, and since I didn't spend very long on them, I could still probly use them and just elaborate more if i do make a 2nd part, assuming I get enough moves with the DLC to fill another list of 10 lol
As a Raiden main since forever, Razzle Dazzle has to be thee worst move he’s ever had. Like what gives? No damage, no set up, nothing. Literally nothing. The only cases where you could properly use that move is either the EX version with a Kameo or, in corner combos. Forward 2 2 4 + Razzle Dazzle into standing 2 4 2 works + EX Shocker works as a corner combo. But the thing is…why do that when I can get more damage from other things? Imo, that’s one move I definitely think NRS needs to actually get rid of. It does nothing. They’ve been adding things to characters and Raiden needs to get this checked out.
Raidens razzle dazzle allows you to combo without meter off of his f224 in the corner. It’s his best option off of f224 in the corner especially since you can use meter later in the combo if you choose. Great list though nice vid
I personally main Ermac sometimes. I like that back 3 because it’s a “get off me” move. If reptile or reiko or whoever else is running toward you, you simply do that so they can back up. You can also do it if they’re trying to get a bit closer or they hit from too far away, you hit them with it. As for the opponent being too far, If they zone from far away, you teleport behind them. It’s quite viable in my experience
@@iamthenati forreal, its so bad lmao. I forgot to mention the hit advantage but im pretty sure all his specials have similar or better hit advantage than phasing through as well. I'd love to ask NRS what they intended for us to do with that move lmao
Haha I get this was only an honorable mention..But I actually use Kitana’s B14 in the corner. D1 jails into it and if it’s block, you’re plus frames right in their face and if it hits, Movado kombo. Cool list though. Interesting.
I gotta be real, when i first started this video, I instantly had to put it on increased Playback Speed. Man's was talking slower than Geras' EX Sand Storm 😂😂. I watched it while eating breakfast so thie video did come in handy 🔥🔥. I wish you had a video like this for all 6 NRS fighting games.
@@berdem6157 Nah there's a massive difference between someone having a low attention span (brainrot) and something actually just not being at the desired speed. I really enjoyed this video but dude was talking way too slow in the intro in my opinion (which wasn't to my liking). That's not what "brainrot" means.
@@AmiriHipHop nah I get you. I usually make very detailed guides, and people seem to vibe with my more drawn out and articulated way of explaining shit, but I maybe could have spoken a bit faster for a video like this. When watching it back I did have some moments where I was worried that I was speaking too drawn out. Honestly it's mostly a preference thing but at least 14 people seem to agree with you and I appreciate the feedback regardless! I'm glad it came in handy for your breakfast watching lmao Hmmm that could actually be fun to make for older NRS games. I could definitely make one for Injustice 2. I'm sure there's plenty in MK9 and X as well lmao
The reason Raiden has razzle dazzle is because it’s only supposed to be used when his passive ability is active aka when he’s holding down block u see raiden get lighting around his arms and eyes which reduced the amount of chip damage he takes. when you use that move, it’ll reset the neutral and get rid of passive
Raiden's Razzle Dazzle is actually pretty good for 1 (one) specific combo in the corner. If you start with F224 and then Razzle Dazzle you can extend the combo and allows a 242 into Shocker (if you get the timing right, you can hit a 2 in the air and then 242). It deals considerably more damage than just going F224 into Shocker.
This is what id do for the hour glass move for geras: For still one bar, he will create the hour glass above his opponents head no matter what distance you choose, with two frames cut off the start up and the recovery cut to 58 instead of 75. The hour glass will track the opponent’s movement until the sandstorm tigger’s, the trigger time is the same 2.6 seconds or whatever, however the tracking of the hourglass is not super fast it moves at a walking speed type pace dashing or teleporting away will get your out of it most likely if you time it right, or fast dashing moves or combos that move across the screen quickly. But for block presser this will be nice and if they happen to punish you and it doesn’t have alot of “fast” screen travel distance, they will get hit out of there combo freeing you.
As a havik main his standing 4 is pretty good. If you're mixing in the corner or your opponent knows that 21 is safe you can throw that kick out to stagger. A lot of people don't know that's a safe move and will assume they can hit after. Works good too for a combo ender. it's not something that is used a lot but it makes him more random too which is what havik is made for.
The dumbest part is that its also unsafe. Can only combo in the corner. But the kicker is if you get raidens glowing eyes all it does is make the move plus 5 on block that’s it.
Great list, they have been adding new moves to the characters which is nice, but, it's about time they start revisiting some moves. Wasn't aware of the Mileena string condition, which is wild.
on Geras - several cameos like Motaro or Khameleon can actually mitigate the recovery factor, btw with the last this move can actually become a big threat
I’m a sub zero main and literally the only time ice ball is viable is if you’re trying to play mind games with a much better zoner at distance. Or from very niche kameo uses.
@@Defectordrunkzone oh I actually forgot about that move since like everything else Johnny has is great lol. If I ever get enough entries to make a part 2 for this list, that move will be an easy inclusion, good call!
@@Nio-i4x oh yea I think you're right. And I guess it has a brutality attached to it so there's that at least. I think Sub's iceball is the only move in my video that has a brutal lol
Thank you for putting into words all of the issues with Geras Amp Sandstorm. Honestly just give geras low Sand Trap back as the amp version, it wouldn't be as spammable and would give him a real projectile for the zone war. 5% projectile is pain
For the havoc move, if he has a high hit advantage on any of his low pokes, his kick may be used to jail them into the pressure, basically ensuring that with your low poke, you force then into a situation where ypure so plus, you have to respext what comes next. Thats how they made skarlet in mk11
Some of these moves are understandably mistakes, as in you could see what NRS might’ve been trying to do. Everyone makes mistakes. But some of these are so bad its actually mind boggling I can’t even defend them. Great breakdown in this video, you clearly put effort into labbing before you made your decisions, great editing, funny commentary. You earned a new sub
I made this comment on another video talking about Raiden's db2, it has a lot more use than people think: Db2 jails after his best neutral check button, which is his d4, on block. If you space out your d4 and cancel into db2, you essentially get a safe poke special mind game against 99% of the game because it will be un-punishable from that distance. From max range no one can punish it, not even Johnny’s reversal shadow kick. If they try to press after the d4 and get hit, db2 is +21 so you can dash up and jail a s1 even from max distance. You can also use it as a standing reset because of the plus frames if you don’t have bar or your kameo available for a combo extension. It’s also 10f startup so you can actually punish some pokes and other specials with pushback, and if you pair him with someone like Mavado or Scorpion for example, you can combo off the EX version if you do get a punish for decent damage. On top of the synergy with his passive buff and the fact that you can use it for meterless conversions in the corner as well, db2 is actually not even Raiden's most useless move as a character. Talking strictly special moves, sure. But his f2-1 string serves far less of a purpose than db2 does
havik he's so cool looking but his combos are horrible sub zero just the slow moves and no style in combos lao is easily top 3 most boring characters. that's my top 3
I think for ermac’s move : id one take the punish off of being perfect blocked, to be neutral maybe slightly better frames for the opponent. Then change the amount of distance the opponent travels on hit to instead of being full screen it knock’s them half screen. On block increase the push back a tiny bit nothing crazy at all. But on hit keep everything pretty much the same, maybe change the damage to 99 instead of 90, because whynot. But on hit it will steal Kameo meter from your opponent and add it to your kameo’s meter. Idk how much the meter would be that you steal, idk what would be good, but still fair.
Ok heres one. Liu kang's 43 is absolutely useless. Its plus sure but it does quite abit of knock back which makes it hard to apply any pressure after. Its just a lesser 22 which DOES allow you to pressure
These are my thoughts for each of listed moves, some I think are fine to exist if they give you space or block advantage but buffing them might be a better solution. Sub Zero: yeah I wish it was a little more faster. Maybe 35 frames and 32 frames with meter (a larger size hit box would also be fine in my opinion) otherwise everyone will be spamming it even more. Nitara: probably used for chip damage, being -8 with a little more pushback wouldn’t hurt. She’s already good right now so if that move gets a special cancel opportunity then that would be too good. Havik: Honestly I forgot what his S4 is. If it’s a mid then that’s fine but it’s also Havik so maybe they intentionally gave him a bad button. Geras: Doesn’t that move track the opponent? It could have a different property based on how many hourglass charges you have?”, something to wish for. Ermac: could just be a poking move, maybe or hopefully it gets a brutality. Having a faster start up would also be nice. Sindel: honestly might just be for kameo set up. It should have more pushback though. Tanya: no idea. Maybe the very rare instance where the opponent ducks the first hit so the second hit catches them off guard but that’s still bad. Mileena: just make it special cancel into any air special or causes the opponent to bounce. Raiden: should be +4 on block and have a brutality on the meter version. Smoke: The only way to save that string is by making it a true mid command grab.
Tanya’s b2 4 is a bail out if you fuck up the anti air. Her b2 3 has an upblockable gap that makes it -27 on block. So if you do the anti air too late and they end up on the ground, in your face, you can do b24 and end up -5 instead of -27
Pretty sure that sindel string is just one of things you randomly throw out once in a set to MU check your opponent. You dont use it for combos, you use it in those low health scramble situations where your opponent will not expect it since its so rare
As an Fellow Non ferra using nitara( jax , khame, darrius, scorpion, sub zero) player F434 is my favorite armor breaker and corner + kameo combo maker. And it does more damage that bf2 ender.
Raiden's DB2 isn't useless, if you do this ex move after D4 on max range, only johnny cage and shao (sometimes reptile) can punish you, but, with scorpion, mavado or jax kameo you can launch after this, so basically this is half-safe poke into special, and if you have full electric charge, you can do this move after anything, it will be a safe 10 frame launcher, even the fact that launcher requires kameo to launch, it gives you more damage than ex shocker does for same resources, you get 432.30 with shocker and 2 scorpion extends and 445.51 with this laucnher and 1 scorpion extend
“what’s up guys i’m brinks. here’s what happens when you are bad at the game” just because YOU donno how to use a move doesn’t make the move useless haha. 8 of the 10 “useless” moves are completely viable, some of them are even pretty good lol. also, something to think about, you are never gonna play a match of this game without a kameo. so saying something isn’t viable bc you need a kameo is the single worst criticism you can give to something in the game. it is an assist game. it is designed from the ground up to be an assist game. you’re going to use your assists.
The point of the video is to say that the moves “that he doesn’t know how to use” are useless because there is never a point in a match when you should use it. There’s always a better move for every situation that you’d think of using it. Most of the moves in this video are actually useless because you will NEVER use them in a real game. They just waste room on the move list.
@@alexm.6557 if yall stick to the same 4 strings and buttons every game you become insanely easy to counter. also, some buttons are better for certain situations. i encourage you to learn your characters
@@CRiSiS_iNFiNiTE idk why you’re targeting me lol I know how to play the game and I assume so does the guy making this video. Being predictable and using useless strings and buttons are 2 different things. I can use like 3 strings the entire time I play the game and by staggering and mixing up what I do I’ll win. No need to use a useless button and waste an opportunity to open up my opponent. It’s just a dumb argument from you. There are worthless buttons in a game. That’s how it works. Nrs isn’t gonna be able to make every single button have a use and that’s what this video shows. Lmao
As a Tanya main, it's totally true. I never use Back 2 4. Not even for fun, just never found a use for it. I guess I don't mind so much as she has so many good tools any way but it would be nice if the string had some kind of use.
My ideas: Sub Zero Ice ball - turn it into a cancelable move, like rain, make it combo into more normals, and make his meter burn ice ball an actual combo starter, and his regular iceball, if you can even get it out, will always suck in projectiles 😅 Nitara - make it plus on block, or cancel into her dive kick. Simple? Havik - make his stand 4 an overhead, and maybe a pop up if opponent is airborn, or different hit reaction. Geras - Just make it faster, and make sure he has strings that have enough hit advantage to setup, as well as make the scaling better. Ermac- make his back 3 a low? Idek what this move can do that his kit already doesn’t, your meter burn idea was cool 🤷🏽♂️ Sindel - This one is just useless, and I’m beginning to grow tired. Any ideas anyone? Tanya - I was thinking change the input and trajectory so it can hit grounded opponents, make it a safe string to outspace? Mileena - make it like Liu Kangs forward 4, stagger pressure tool, and for the love of god fix the overhead. Raiden - Raiden should be able to charge it by holding it and make it explode for plus frames or combos. No passive bs. Meter burn should charge it instantly, or make it like Liu Kang in MKX with his fire ball pressure (forgot the name) Smoke - remove it, or make it a re-stand like you said, enforcing his mix up pressure. Thank you for my yap session.
Subs 21 string should get a special cancel window buff so it can combo into ice ball it makes zero sense to make the ice ball so ass when you can only meterless freeze once to extend after you already had to hit confirm off something his resourceless damage should NOT be locked behind hitting a reactable overhead.
I think a move in the running for most useless in the game is Quan Chi's DF4, called "Best Foot Backward" in his list of normals. Fun fact: did you know this move was only recently added in the balance patch for Takeda's launch? No? Well you'd be forgiven for not knowing because the move is almost completely useless. It's essentially his F4 string, but hitting from behind, being a mid, only having the first hit, and only leading to a knockdown. Also, much like the rest of Quan Chi's portal kick moves, it is prone to whiffing in neutral and having ridiculously long recovery, so using it in neutral is like painting a sign on your head that screams "Please Hit Me". Most of the moves added to a character post-launch were introduced to help cover a struggling character's weaknesses (Scorpion's F34, Darrius's overhead on knockdown, hell even Quan Chi himself got Zone of Waste), but I genuinely have no idea what introducing this move was supposed to improve about Quan Chi.
Quan chis df4 is actually pretty useful when you condition the other player with his standing 4. People like to try and duck once you use the standing 4 enough so that’s then you hit em with the df4
I use smoke and use his 2,1,1 for when I do my first smoke teleport, hard to time 2,2 and not teleport late or early so 2,1,1 gets more hits in and allows me to time my combo better
Sub Zero's ice ball exists to get stolen by Shujinko and used mid kombo.
No but FR! 💀 My favorite reason to play against Sub Zero 😅
Just like the Frost treatment, in MK11 she never had any meterless freezing combos and require meter to to perform one. While in MK1 they made ice ball entirety useless cause nothing connects to it without losing combo.
@@rawkitlawnchairits the main reason i dont play subzero in mk1
Lmao
This just only truly meeds to be faster and it will be fine idk why its so slow lol
"Nrs why are you so afraid of sub " 😂😂😂 yall really forget how much people complained about sub in in mk11
Yeah but that's from the infinite mixups with him, this sub needs some better damage though he can get around 34-36% consistently for me it's worse than lots of characters
Sub in MK11 is the reason I retired from the game, and I was in the top 1% of ranked players.
Even the worst players were able to contend with top tier players and humiliate them, much like the erron black slide/tackle spam.
@We_Are_Borg_478 you were not top 1, sthu.
That's only because he had an insane f2 that was super quick. In this game his b2 is super slow and that's his only OH. Certain kameos allow for consistent 40% but that's with resources. Compared to characters with plus frames on jabs and 50-60% combos
@@jaymzg.1368hahaha that guy is a undercover sonix fox
The worst thing about Raiden's Razzle Dazzle is that the current version of it is the "buffed" version after they butchered 3 of his best specials and his passive. They couldn't even be bothered to make the move plus with his passive active. Truly a masterclass of game design
Raiden has a passive?
Because Raiden, Johnny, Kenshi, and Sindel were the only characters being used the most before we got Peacemaker. It’s easier to nerf Raiden while still keeping him fine, granted he’s now mostly carried by kameos now, but I will admit that they need to fully list and reevaluate how his passive works.
Razzle dazzle is a combo tool for no resource air juggles from some strings and works to create space and reset neutral on block, not a crazy move but far from being as worthless as some others in this list
@@lostmnt I’m gonna be honest, I’ve never seen anyone use that move in a combo before and players often go for the B&B combos
@@jaidora yeah, its much rarer, since razzle does not help with his main buttons like the jabs and f434. I legit Just know this because i always do combo trials aand tutorials
MK1 was an early beta and you can clearly see that now by the Khaos patch.
Fuckin WB
@@rockycuro7737 I wouldn’t pin this solely on WB. NRS had a longer dev cycle to make MK1. If anything, they were learning to use a new engine for this game and that’s probably why it feels so bare compared to MK11.
@@Burrito_AM wasn’t this game supposed to be injustice 3 originally before WB made them change it to mortal kombat?
@@rockycuro7737 That I do not know. Rumors were spread that suggested that was the case but it was never officially stated/investigated.
It fr was not finished when it came out but I like the direction it’s going
Smoke being no. 1 is crazy when Reptile's enhanced invisibility exists.
What? A lot of high level Reptiles use ex invisibility.
Reptile's whole invincibility is a joke, even standard one
I'm sorry, but Honeybee cmndr would like a word😆
Faster invis. Fallings Fangs EX into cancel still better tho. Temp invis and has armor
IIRC standard invis had the same time current EX does but it was nerfed for EX to exist… bruh
Smoke needs his actual smoke bomb and his his smoke cloud back.
Bro , the smoke's bomb Is the Best armor in the game with general Shao , even It doesn't hit u , Let u to make a reset or combo
I wouldn't have put honorable mentions in this video off the fact you could've easily made a Part 2 video and used those entries for that list 👍🏻.
@@AmiriHipHop honestly I was back and forth, but wasn't sure i had enough entries for a 2nd part, and since I didn't spend very long on them, I could still probly use them and just elaborate more if i do make a 2nd part, assuming I get enough moves with the DLC to fill another list of 10 lol
It's hilarious because I immediately knew which move you were going to pick from Mileena.
What makes sub zeros iceball worse is its supposed to be used from mid screen not full screen.
Tekken characters be like "Bro 20% of my attacks are useless"
Redundant strings or attacks just tend to happen with larger move-lists.
As a Raiden main since forever, Razzle Dazzle has to be thee worst move he’s ever had. Like what gives? No damage, no set up, nothing. Literally nothing. The only cases where you could properly use that move is either the EX version with a Kameo or, in corner combos. Forward 2 2 4 + Razzle Dazzle into standing 2 4 2 works + EX Shocker works as a corner combo. But the thing is…why do that when I can get more damage from other things?
Imo, that’s one move I definitely think NRS needs to actually get rid of. It does nothing. They’ve been adding things to characters and Raiden needs to get this checked out.
Man, you put so much passion in this video, every number have the actual character talking, congratulations, love that :)
Raidens razzle dazzle allows you to combo without meter off of his f224 in the corner. It’s his best option off of f224 in the corner especially since you can use meter later in the combo if you choose. Great list though nice vid
I personally main Ermac sometimes. I like that back 3 because it’s a “get off me” move. If reptile or reiko or whoever else is running toward you, you simply do that so they can back up. You can also do it if they’re trying to get a bit closer or they hit from too far away, you hit them with it. As for the opponent being too far, If they zone from far away, you teleport behind them. It’s quite viable in my experience
video so good I stopped halfway through it to get something to eat while watching it
What type of drugs was they doin to make projectiles on THE GROUND mid???
You’d be surprised how much that nitara move works 😂😂😂
I use it a lot and I see it used alot
@@ROCBOI-wr3uh I don’t play her but that shit probably works on me every time 😂😂
As a Raiden main, I’m glad to hear people saying he needs some sort of buffs. He’s been getting nerfed since the beginning of the game.
U definitely put in alot of effort for this one. Good stuff
I could at least understand if Phasing Through was mega plus on hit allowing for crazy oki, but it's trash as it is.
@@iamthenati forreal, its so bad lmao. I forgot to mention the hit advantage but im pretty sure all his specials have similar or better hit advantage than phasing through as well. I'd love to ask NRS what they intended for us to do with that move lmao
@@AwesomeBRINKS 17:24 how to activate that Raiden's passive buff? Btw, great and funny video man
Haha I get this was only an honorable mention..But I actually use Kitana’s B14 in the corner. D1 jails into it and if it’s block, you’re plus frames right in their face and if it hits, Movado kombo.
Cool list though. Interesting.
17:24 how to activate that Raiden's passive buff?
YO BUFF SMOKE💨
And the recovery on ermacs s3 is absurd
I gotta be real, when i first started this video, I instantly had to put it on increased Playback Speed.
Man's was talking slower than Geras' EX Sand Storm 😂😂.
I watched it while eating breakfast so thie video did come in handy 🔥🔥. I wish you had a video like this for all 6 NRS fighting games.
This is the sign of brainrot sadly
@@berdem6157 Nah there's a massive difference between someone having a low attention span (brainrot) and something actually just not being at the desired speed.
I really enjoyed this video but dude was talking way too slow in the intro in my opinion (which wasn't to my liking).
That's not what "brainrot" means.
@@AmiriHipHop You have brainrot.
@@AmiriHipHopKeep telling yourself that. Nobody ever admits or even realize they have brainrot.
@@AmiriHipHop nah I get you. I usually make very detailed guides, and people seem to vibe with my more drawn out and articulated way of explaining shit, but I maybe could have spoken a bit faster for a video like this. When watching it back I did have some moments where I was worried that I was speaking too drawn out. Honestly it's mostly a preference thing but at least 14 people seem to agree with you and I appreciate the feedback regardless! I'm glad it came in handy for your breakfast watching lmao
Hmmm that could actually be fun to make for older NRS games. I could definitely make one for Injustice 2. I'm sure there's plenty in MK9 and X as well lmao
The reason Raiden has razzle dazzle is because it’s only supposed to be used when his passive ability is active aka when he’s holding down block u see raiden get lighting around his arms and eyes which reduced the amount of chip damage he takes. when you use that move, it’ll reset the neutral and get rid of passive
smoke definitely needs a buff he was my main but now it’s homelander bc it seems there’s not many options when playing w smoke
Same but I don’t think smoke needs a buff I just got bored and watched the boys so I main homelander now too
@@GristlyRook9605 almost time to do the same thing w ghostface😭
@@user-fn4pu3ok8w I actually need to watch the scream movies so hey maybe history will repeat itself
Raiden's Razzle Dazzle is actually pretty good for 1 (one) specific combo in the corner. If you start with F224 and then Razzle Dazzle you can extend the combo and allows a 242 into Shocker (if you get the timing right, you can hit a 2 in the air and then 242). It deals considerably more damage than just going F224 into Shocker.
At least there are less useless moves than in MK11
This is what id do for the hour glass move for geras: For still one bar, he will create the hour glass above his opponents head no matter what distance you choose, with two frames cut off the start up and the recovery cut to 58 instead of 75. The hour glass will track the opponent’s movement until the sandstorm tigger’s, the trigger time is the same 2.6 seconds or whatever, however the tracking of the hourglass is not super fast it moves at a walking speed type pace dashing or teleporting away will get your out of it most likely if you time it right, or fast dashing moves or combos that move across the screen quickly. But for block presser this will be nice and if they happen to punish you and it doesn’t have alot of “fast” screen travel distance, they will get hit out of there combo freeing you.
As a havik main his standing 4 is pretty good. If you're mixing in the corner or your opponent knows that 21 is safe you can throw that kick out to stagger. A lot of people don't know that's a safe move and will assume they can hit after. Works good too for a combo ender. it's not something that is used a lot but it makes him more random too which is what havik is made for.
The dumbest part is that its also unsafe. Can only combo in the corner. But the kicker is if you get raidens glowing eyes all it does is make the move plus 5 on block that’s it.
Lol I feel attacked on the Nitara kick I love that thing😂😂
Great list, they have been adding new moves to the characters which is nice, but, it's about time they start revisiting some moves. Wasn't aware of the Mileena string condition, which is wild.
First time watching a video of your and it was great! Awesome job 🙌
What can I say? Buff Smoke!
on Geras - several cameos like Motaro or Khameleon can actually mitigate the recovery factor, btw with the last this move can actually become a big threat
I’m a sub zero main and literally the only time ice ball is viable is if you’re trying to play mind games with a much better zoner at distance.
Or from very niche kameo uses.
N1-Johnny cage sunglasses toss.
Completely useless
@@Defectordrunkzone oh I actually forgot about that move since like everything else Johnny has is great lol. If I ever get enough entries to make a part 2 for this list, that move will be an easy inclusion, good call!
The point of that move is to do the taunt version of that move cause it fills his meter the most I think
@@Nio-i4x oh yea I think you're right. And I guess it has a brutality attached to it so there's that at least. I think Sub's iceball is the only move in my video that has a brutal lol
Thank you for putting into words all of the issues with Geras Amp Sandstorm. Honestly just give geras low Sand Trap back as the amp version, it wouldn't be as spammable and would give him a real projectile for the zone war. 5% projectile is pain
Would like NRS to see ur video and make the changes to these characters
smoke needs some help with his gaps, that would be number one on my list. Buffs would be nice, but really it’s those gaps. They really need help.
As a Sub Zero main, youd be suprised how often it lands, not gonna say its much, but it happens😅
Omg my chest hurts with the hypothetical plus frames XDD
For the havoc move, if he has a high hit advantage on any of his low pokes, his kick may be used to jail them into the pressure, basically ensuring that with your low poke, you force then into a situation where ypure so plus, you have to respext what comes next. Thats how they made skarlet in mk11
The fact that Mileena’s sai throw is a mid for the first time ever is so annoying. Like wtf for? 😭
Interesting discussion, but I want to draw attention to the work done by the author to create this video, it is impressive. 😮😮😮
I love how this video exists and yet no once is there a solution on how to fix these supposedly "useless" moves. NRS community, why are you like this?
True but that’s also not their job to tell the game studio full of professionals how to do their jobs
Re watch the video he said a solution. Also it’s just for entertainment it’s not that deep
Yeah there's solutions in the vid and I know he could easily come up with them.
Some of these moves are understandably mistakes, as in you could see what NRS might’ve been trying to do. Everyone makes mistakes. But some of these are so bad its actually mind boggling I can’t even defend them. Great breakdown in this video, you clearly put effort into labbing before you made your decisions, great editing, funny commentary. You earned a new sub
Buff smoke
I think that Tanya move is supposed to make you safe if the opponent duck the first hit.
that Geras sand clone tbag caught me by surprise
I made this comment on another video talking about Raiden's db2, it has a lot more use than people think:
Db2 jails after his best neutral check button, which is his d4, on block. If you space out your d4 and cancel into db2, you essentially get a safe poke special mind game against 99% of the game because it will be un-punishable from that distance. From max range no one can punish it, not even Johnny’s reversal shadow kick. If they try to press after the d4 and get hit, db2 is +21 so you can dash up and jail a s1 even from max distance. You can also use it as a standing reset because of the plus frames if you don’t have bar or your kameo available for a combo extension. It’s also 10f startup so you can actually punish some pokes and other specials with pushback, and if you pair him with someone like Mavado or Scorpion for example, you can combo off the EX version if you do get a punish for decent damage. On top of the synergy with his passive buff and the fact that you can use it for meterless conversions in the corner as well, db2 is actually not even Raiden's most useless move as a character. Talking strictly special moves, sure. But his f2-1 string serves far less of a purpose than db2 does
You should make a "most boring characters to play" I'd like to see your thoughts on that.
havik he's so cool looking but his combos are horrible
sub zero just the slow moves and no style in combos
lao is easily top 3 most boring characters.
that's my top 3
@@tbgtabiasHavik is pretty fun to play tho but yeah Lao is boring asf and don’t forget about Tanya
Both Kitana and Mileena have strings that won't come out on block
Dope, loved it, a part 2 with the rest of the cast would be epic ❤
My goat has uploaded once again. Tuesday will be fun 💪
@@grittytenacious6004 Yes sir. And forreal, I actually can't wait. Its gonna be like Christmas in MK
Funny thing, I must be fighting lots of houseplants online hahaha! Bazinga!
Imagine if he did every move. It would be half of every move in the game
I think for ermac’s move : id one take the punish off of being perfect blocked, to be neutral maybe slightly better frames for the opponent. Then change the amount of distance the opponent travels on hit to instead of being full screen it knock’s them half screen. On block increase the push back a tiny bit nothing crazy at all. But on hit keep everything pretty much the same, maybe change the damage to 99 instead of 90, because whynot. But on hit it will steal Kameo meter from your opponent and add it to your kameo’s meter. Idk how much the meter would be that you steal, idk what would be good, but still fair.
Ok heres one. Liu kang's 43 is absolutely useless. Its plus sure but it does quite abit of knock back which makes it hard to apply any pressure after. Its just a lesser 22 which DOES allow you to pressure
These are my thoughts for each of listed moves, some I think are fine to exist if they give you space or block advantage but buffing them might be a better solution.
Sub Zero: yeah I wish it was a little more faster. Maybe 35 frames and 32 frames with meter (a larger size hit box would also be fine in my opinion) otherwise everyone will be spamming it even more.
Nitara: probably used for chip damage, being -8 with a little more pushback wouldn’t hurt. She’s already good right now so if that move gets a special cancel opportunity then that would be too good.
Havik: Honestly I forgot what his S4 is. If it’s a mid then that’s fine but it’s also Havik so maybe they intentionally gave him a bad button.
Geras: Doesn’t that move track the opponent? It could have a different property based on how many hourglass charges you have?”, something to wish for.
Ermac: could just be a poking move, maybe or hopefully it gets a brutality. Having a faster start up would also be nice.
Sindel: honestly might just be for kameo set up. It should have more pushback though.
Tanya: no idea. Maybe the very rare instance where the opponent ducks the first hit so the second hit catches them off guard but that’s still bad.
Mileena: just make it special cancel into any air special or causes the opponent to bounce.
Raiden: should be +4 on block and have a brutality on the meter version.
Smoke: The only way to save that string is by making it a true mid command grab.
Great video, gonna be my new mk1 guy.
Tanya’s b2 4 is a bail out if you fuck up the anti air. Her b2 3 has an upblockable gap that makes it -27 on block. So if you do the anti air too late and they end up on the ground, in your face, you can do b24 and end up -5 instead of -27
Pretty sure that sindel string is just one of things you randomly throw out once in a set to MU check your opponent. You dont use it for combos, you use it in those low health scramble situations where your opponent will not expect it since its so rare
How do they perform smokes teleport to appear on the very side he teleported from?
Hypothetical plus frames is crazy
As an Fellow Non ferra using nitara( jax , khame, darrius, scorpion, sub zero) player F434 is my favorite armor breaker and corner + kameo combo maker. And it does more damage that bf2 ender.
Man, now I truly believe that the game was released in incomplete state. I gave NRS too much benefits of the doubt...
i guess haviks standing 4 can be useful if you use it as a stagger after a poke jail
Can we talk about sindels split kick cause it don’t really do anything
our queen has more unusable blows ):
@@ScottWer right! And also that like cheerleader kick she does like I never really use it
moves to just have fun instead of wanting to win and being competetive.
Top 10 best moves in the game:
#1- Roleplaying as your character in voice chat (Tech discovered by Elder God Baraka/Peacemaker player Pir1x)
Is that how he got the characters to say their number on the list?
I can see good potential with these videos; like the PJiggles of MK1. Thoughts?
Not mentioning KungLmao’s hiphop kick is a sin
6:15 actually made me choke on my drink, I wish I could play fighting games for this alone
I use it in a combo with Jax in temporary advantage if you're laying off the ground it pops you up but you got to know how to use it.
If haviks isn’t stand 4 I’ll be lost
Okay it is. Word
"Useless moves" *Tekken shows up*
Do you think subs ice ball was WAY too slow or do you think it’s fast
Raiden's DB2 isn't useless, if you do this ex move after D4 on max range, only johnny cage and shao (sometimes reptile) can punish you, but, with scorpion, mavado or jax kameo you can launch after this, so basically this is half-safe poke into special, and if you have full electric charge, you can do this move after anything, it will be a safe 10 frame launcher, even the fact that launcher requires kameo to launch, it gives you more damage than ex shocker does for same resources, you get 432.30 with shocker and 2 scorpion extends and 445.51 with this laucnher and 1 scorpion extend
After Khaos Reigns we need a part 2
Standing 4 as a havik main I do a lot becuz most players for some reason like to poke after and I can nearly always whiff punish
Only use for it
You can jab after it lmao people like to mash after it.
“what’s up guys i’m brinks. here’s what happens when you are bad at the game”
just because YOU donno how to use a move doesn’t make the move useless haha. 8 of the 10 “useless” moves are completely viable, some of them are even pretty good lol.
also, something to think about, you are never gonna play a match of this game without a kameo. so saying something isn’t viable bc you need a kameo is the single worst criticism you can give to something in the game. it is an assist game. it is designed from the ground up to be an assist game. you’re going to use your assists.
The point of the video is to say that the moves “that he doesn’t know how to use” are useless because there is never a point in a match when you should use it. There’s always a better move for every situation that you’d think of using it. Most of the moves in this video are actually useless because you will NEVER use them in a real game. They just waste room on the move list.
@@alexm.6557 if yall stick to the same 4 strings and buttons every game you become insanely easy to counter. also, some buttons are better for certain situations. i encourage you to learn your characters
@@CRiSiS_iNFiNiTE idk why you’re targeting me lol I know how to play the game and I assume so does the guy making this video. Being predictable and using useless strings and buttons are 2 different things. I can use like 3 strings the entire time I play the game and by staggering and mixing up what I do I’ll win. No need to use a useless button and waste an opportunity to open up my opponent. It’s just a dumb argument from you. There are worthless buttons in a game. That’s how it works. Nrs isn’t gonna be able to make every single button have a use and that’s what this video shows. Lmao
As a Tanya main, it's totally true. I never use Back 2 4. Not even for fun, just never found a use for it. I guess I don't mind so much as she has so many good tools any way but it would be nice if the string had some kind of use.
tanya move is obviously to catch sindel float off guard or nitara, even homelander.
love the vid🤣… AND YES BUFF SMOKE
Razzle Dazzle jails atleast so you can enforce block pressure or just straight up catch someone pressing buttons /trying to escape
Sindels b,232 can be used for pressrure, when i finish it, do scream then b232 for a float after the last hit
Smoke's ex vapor is plus on cancel unlike the regular one which is only a fake frame trap.
Ex vapor cancel is less minus. It's not plus.
Nice list🔥
shang's b12 in older form should be on the list. absolutely useless
Good lawd that sub zero projectile just had me 😢😅 nrs just hates sub zero that much tbh
My ideas:
Sub Zero Ice ball - turn it into a cancelable move, like rain, make it combo into more normals, and make his meter burn ice ball an actual combo starter, and his regular iceball, if you can even get it out, will always suck in projectiles 😅
Nitara - make it plus on block, or cancel into her dive kick. Simple?
Havik - make his stand 4 an overhead, and maybe a pop up if opponent is airborn, or different hit reaction.
Geras - Just make it faster, and make sure he has strings that have enough hit advantage to setup, as well as make the scaling better.
Ermac- make his back 3 a low? Idek what this move can do that his kit already doesn’t, your meter burn idea was cool 🤷🏽♂️
Sindel - This one is just useless, and I’m beginning to grow tired. Any ideas anyone?
Tanya - I was thinking change the input and trajectory so it can hit grounded opponents, make it a safe string to outspace?
Mileena - make it like Liu Kangs forward 4, stagger pressure tool, and for the love of god fix the overhead.
Raiden - Raiden should be able to charge it by holding it and make it explode for plus frames or combos. No passive bs. Meter burn should charge it instantly, or make it like Liu Kang in MKX with his fire ball pressure (forgot the name)
Smoke - remove it, or make it a re-stand like you said, enforcing his mix up pressure.
Thank you for my yap session.
Subs 21 string should get a special cancel window buff so it can combo into ice ball it makes zero sense to make the ice ball so ass when you can only meterless freeze once to extend after you already had to hit confirm off something his resourceless damage should NOT be locked behind hitting a reactable overhead.
I think a move in the running for most useless in the game is Quan Chi's DF4, called "Best Foot Backward" in his list of normals. Fun fact: did you know this move was only recently added in the balance patch for Takeda's launch? No? Well you'd be forgiven for not knowing because the move is almost completely useless. It's essentially his F4 string, but hitting from behind, being a mid, only having the first hit, and only leading to a knockdown. Also, much like the rest of Quan Chi's portal kick moves, it is prone to whiffing in neutral and having ridiculously long recovery, so using it in neutral is like painting a sign on your head that screams "Please Hit Me". Most of the moves added to a character post-launch were introduced to help cover a struggling character's weaknesses (Scorpion's F34, Darrius's overhead on knockdown, hell even Quan Chi himself got Zone of Waste), but I genuinely have no idea what introducing this move was supposed to improve about Quan Chi.
Quan chis df4 is actually pretty useful when you condition the other player with his standing 4. People like to try and duck once you use the standing 4 enough so that’s then you hit em with the df4
It’s supposed to stop people ducking your s4 and is also full screen and hard knockdowns are good for quan chi anyway
9:55 killed me 😂😂😂
I use gear sand trap on top of myself so people can't get close to me
I use smoke and use his 2,1,1 for when I do my first smoke teleport, hard to time 2,2 and not teleport late or early so 2,1,1 gets more hits in and allows me to time my combo better
10:23 Make it so it is modified/buffed in some way when he is in that state where he takes no damage