Lmao 5 of us!? Yeah maybe like 20-30 of us that consistently have VSAV in their rotation of fighters. 😂 The darkstalkers avatar pieces were terrible, if Capcom is gonna do darkstalkers content make em character costumes! 😺
@@devilcatv2 I'm coping for a guest fighter. Ideally I would have wanted Talbain, but given he became an avatar costume I don't know if that's likely. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if a later season dropped Morrigan as a playable DLC for SF6.
@@charlieharrington9555 it's been more than a year since we've had costume 3 release, a whole year is too damn long without ANY new cosmetics for actual characters
@ for sure,I agree. I’m just saying the SFV was the opposite extreme ; the costumes were churned out like crazy and looked like shit you would buy at a spirit halloween
I feel bad for everyone. I've been rocking Akuma's default Cos1 because it's such a banger, but I know what it's like to yearn for new threads. RELEASE THE DRIP!
I got into fighting games after getting burnt out from live service games, so the prospect of the big fighting game franchises going live service and the FGC needing live service for a new fighting game to be worthy of their time genuinely concerns me, between the damage live service has done to the industry, the stress put on the devs, and the monetization creep are things I do not want to see happen to this genre, we shouldn't sacrifice fun for the sake of engagement
While fighting games mostly aren't live service you still had microtransactions in them forever now. Its been bad because we have to pay for season passes every year along with costumes, so I've long since gotten used to it.
Yes, I'm glad that fighting games **compared to other genres** have been pretty light on the scummy business practices plaguing other genres. My main concern is that Capcom will see the fan backlash and think "Alright, so gamers don't want a great, fully fledged game on release, they just want a steady content drip" because I think that'll lead fighting games down a darker path. Personally, I think SF6 has been a great overall package since day 1 and haven't felt the need for new costumes/content. Of course I wouldn't be mad if they added more, but it's not personally necessary.
@@Hyziant Yeah. People get super-defensive when you point the finger at "gamers" for damaging the quality of the gaming industry, but this is certainly an area where I think it's true. The abject need for constant stimulation over time - the endless hype-cycle - just chews away at the notion of having a quality, finished product that you can just own. It's like, would you rather a quality steak cooked and seasoned to perfection on Sunday or a whole week of reheated BigMacs? I think the BigMacs would win that in the present environment, even if collectively they cost more than the steak.
@@Hyziant i don't think folks want or need fgs to become even more "games as a service-ish", ppl were very vocal about how scummy the pricing on costume 3 was to them. It's just that since this is a game where they are releasing post launch content, it leaning so heavily on a mode most longtime fans see as a goofy distraction at best, coupled with the way they're handling stuff that audience DOES care about like character releases for example, being somewhat controversial, and the odd lack of communication compared to previously with the guys at the helm regarding everything, its all just headscratching and annoying. Least that's how it is for me, probably the vibe for many others lol.
One thing to remember though, fighting games pretty much had ‘live service’ before life service. I’m sure you know the numerous editions of SF2. As annoying as it is having to pay for each season pass, I consider it to be more consumer friendly since someone who buys the base game can still play an up to date version with everyone years from release.
7:03 on the note of "SF feel like a game that wants to be games as service, but isn't" I forgot where I heard this but, there was a theory going around that this might have been the idea early on, and the best "evidence" for this was the fact that Battle Hub, World Tour, and Fighting Ground are very distinct modes in the menu. I think i remember when I first purchased SF6, I believe it had one of the modes as the base game (I think it was Battle Hub) and the other two modes were technically add-ons, even though they downloaded with the initial game anyways. So, some people theorize that one mode was going to be the "free" version, and the other modes were basically paid dlc
Or at least 5, but we tought that they working balanced contents and yet, even they are slow with the characters they are even slow with general contents in the game. Lame recycled avatar outfits with the same similar designs (different prints) they could add more areas in world tour or including a personal room for the players so they can decorate their rooms, i mean there a lot of fun contents that they can include but they are slow as hell lol And like always happens: Capcom listening but they ignore the fanbase, they doesnt want "ideas" from the customers because they think that they can do better.
@@MegaDarkness5000 honestly having 100%'d WT and maxed out every new mentor everytime a character comes out it's not enough there either, that's like an additional hour of "content"' tops and I insist on the quotation marks cause really all you do is farm mentor XP (most efficiently through tournaments) until you've unlocked all of their moves and you're done, the only piece of content you actually get are the sidequests that come with them and that's like 5m long at most, and all that in the only gamemode in which most BP content finds relevance and with months-long wait periods in-between. All that to say even having 100%'d world tour I'd be absolutely fine with them stopping WT implementation, it has next to no replay value regardless, we wouldn't be missing much and whatever we might miss out on would be more than made up with 1 or 2 additional character each year
I will say something as a casual/WT Player. I've been out of the fighting game since the early 2000s, as soon as I started to be pretty bad at them. I grew up on arcades and KOF 97 was the last time I felt I was average enough to play those games. So I've been all those years following the fighting communities as a watcher without being able to enjoy it properly. World Tour made me buy SF6 and play it almost daily. Modern made me try multiplayer and still have some moderate amount of fun. Capcom hadn't got a single dime from me for years. They got me with the Fighting Pass, and the costumes and WT content update. And you can be sure there are plenty of players like me in-game currently, despite the veterans absolutely hating the extra content that our slice of the audience is getting.
I just said this in another comment lol😂. SFV mishaps made Capcom focus away from esports as much and more so on the casual audience, who spends money on this stuff.
copy-pasting something I said under another comment but it's the same sentiment: "honestly having 100%'d WT and maxed out every new mentor everytime a character comes out it's not enough there either, that's like an additional hour of "content"' tops and I insist on the quotation marks cause really all you do is farm mentor XP (most efficiently through tournaments) until you've unlocked all of their moves and you're done, the only piece of content you actually get are the sidequests that come with them and that's like 5m long at most, and all that in the only gamemode in which most BP content finds relevance and with months-long wait periods in-between. All that to say even having 100%'d world tour I'd be absolutely fine with them stopping WT implementation, it has next to no replay value regardless, we wouldn't be missing much and whatever we might miss out on would be more than made up with 1 or 2 additional character each year"
I agree with the sentiment. Most WT players I know actually do not like most of the offers available either through the Fighting Pass or the Hub Store. We would much rather see less of those things if we had more content instead, be it new characters (so we had more story and more masters and skills), or features like some sort of New Game+ or making the dozens upon dozens of NPCs outfits to be farmable in WT that are for some reason unavailable for players.
The chief complaint is about main cast costumes. He spoke about them making content in general but facts are is that there is less content for multiplayer guys
@@blacklite911 I've said it in other places; but if you want me to care more about the avatar costumes, give us some avatar modes outside of the simple battles. Where's dramatic battles? where's coop raid fights against the Giant Attack events? where's the stat balanced version of avatar ranked? something that could give more value to a post World Tour run.
@@blacklite911 Right and I do disagree with his take that the main character costumes are a niche thing that a few ppl are asking for; the majority of OGs & newcomers from the community socials I've seen want main character costumes so really it's not that Capcom is leaving old players behind, it's that they're fumbling basic supply by popular demand and yet still falling upwards 😮💨
People finally realizing what I realized on day 1: Capcom wanted their version of Fortnite with the avatars and battle pass. It worked and is thriving really well. So now everything else falls to the wayside.
@@skinnytoadd1820I think they mean about the limited time battle pass they have for most of the avatar customization + a retro capcom game and some music
@@skinnytoadd1820 What he meant is Capcom having their cow to milk with DLC and battlepasses, besides SF6 already had collabs like TMNT and SpyxFamily, and they're not going to be the only ones.
@@HanDaimond But people are complaining now that there's not enough overpriced costumes coming out for the main cast. Who cares if Capcom milks the Avatar scene with low quality cosmetics. If idiots are dumb enough to purchase let them. As long as we don't get a repeat of SF5 ridiculous level of overpriced costumes.
@robertsiereveld1683 You know what's stupid and breaks Max's argument? The Terry Bogard character cost 350 coins that's roughly $5 The Terry Bogard item shop outfit costs close to $30 Out of those two....which do you think took the developers more time and money to make?
@@Budgiecat-w4pand he says everyone criticized the prices and made videos about it BUT I’m sure EVERYONE also bought the costumes because I literally see everyone playing with their new costumes. So if the devs heard the community and then checked the metric of sales they should be like “okay they’re talking a ton but still buying our shit” and should have continued to make them just like avatar gear. People scream and hate them at least the vocal ones but people in asia buy them A SHIT TON. They’re profitable as fuck. So yeah this is a clear shift on focus on what to develop, they’re also probably still having issues with new dlc character developments as the trailers are getting late, release dates are being shadow pushed etc. to me personally I hate that they’re focusing avatar stuff and I hate that there has been no communication for over a year now about new costumes and they chose this way not to communicate. They could’ve released the pre art like last year and they could’ve at least gave us an explanation of what was happening and that is more infuriating than not having new costumes at this point imo. That’s why people were mad at this madgear bootcamp pack twitter post and they still do not acknowledge ANYTHING
And to be honest we don’t want marvel rivals like paced costumes on sf6 we just want to have at least 1 costume for everybody at least once a year! And a gentle reminder that now it’s more than a year since they released the new ones. (Dlc char costumes dont count since they were probably finished but they decided to ship them after a certain point of dlc chars released)
I think the bigger issue is that Capcom execs will see a GAS; Marvel Rivals, Fortnite ect. And say "that makes a ton of money, we should do that!" And then directors or something will tell them "youre going to piss off our fans to no end" or "we have no idea how to even set up that project" and so you just have this weird mishmash where they dont want to commit fully to either but the GAS makes more money so producers and execs tell then to focus on the custom character stuff but then they still need to work on making alternate characters too which us even harder when its a guest character like from SNK and being a part of the SF6 team sounds like the most frustrating thing ever rn ngl
The fact that fighting games are selling characters is so weird to me. Vast majority of people will only ever main 1 character. League of Legends has a way better business model suited exactly to this, where you get to unlock 1-2 characters early on, the rest are on a free weekly rotation and if you want more characters, you can buy them or slowly unlock them by playing a lot. Most of the money then is made by skins - complete skins (like Overwatch), not individual skin items for item slots, so that way they don't have to worry so much about QA like Tekken either, allowing them to make the skins for cheap. Better yet, DoTA2 just outsources the skin making to the community. The get dev/mod tools, you can model your own skin, upload it to the workshop, people can vote on it and then it will make it into the next battlepass/lootbox for a price and the devs share revenue with the creator. They created an ecosystem for their game. They're making new game modes with that too! And then the devs take ideas from mods to create event-gamemodes! How the hell is there not a single fighting game that comes with proper mod tools?! They are shooting themselves in the foot with this.
@@1InVader1 that's a very strange thing to say because Capcom has been selling characters since a lot of us has been born, ie; Super Street Fighter 2. There's a good amount of people using characters that were beyond the original cast of The World Warrior, more characters means more content and more ways to play the game. Not everybody, dare I even say most, people are not satisfied with the initial roster of a given game; look at SFV, almost nobody plays a character from the launch roster these days. There's a debate that all the extra content should be free; Max has been advocating Free To Play for a long, LONG time, but you'd be breaking a tradition Capcom has been running with for over 30 years that has seen plenty if success.
@@1InVader1this is definitely what 2XKO is doing (I’m pretty sure they’ve confirmed skins like league). But yeah, I feel like what can be improved in the future for fighting games is paid DLC being the additional stuff. Characters and maybe maps are free. But in return, the micro transaction (thus income) comes from skins and expansion packs for the single player. E.g. world tour in sf6 hasn’t actually had any real actual updates to it beyond the masters added from DLC. But no new areas. No new missions and gameplay. No story expansion. One thing I feel that will help fighting games sell and maintain relevance while still keeping its competitiveness, is having modes and other things that engage any kind of people. And obviously still have a good ranked with a balanced game so even comp is a focus. And the best thing is if managed well, is viable. Since the people behind the balance and game design for the main fighting, don’t have to work on the cosmetics or single player or other multiplayer content
@@samu1414 Multiplayer FPS were selling map packs since I was born, but then they realized that's a stupid thing to do, because it fragments the playerbase. Selling characters doesn't quite fragment the playerbase, but it does limit the audience, because when a cool character like Mai comes for SF6, which could attract new players, they will look at the price at a 50% discount, and then realize they have to shell out 90 euros for the game anyways, because they need the DLC and then they won't buy the game cuz it's a ripoff. But but buuut you can buy individual characters with premium currency! Oh wait, if you do the math, the premium currency is also a ripoff.] By the time this goes on sale, there will be a new console generations and then fighting game studios will abandon this game and re-release it with a higher number for the next console generation, because you gotta have the higher number fighting game for the new console - Tekken 8 could have been just a patch for Tekken 7.
Times like this, I miss Soul Calibur. I remember playing 2 and 3, and there was just SO MUCH content. So much to do in the game and have fun with. Nothing out now really interests me the same way. RIP Soul Calibur...
I still find it funny how people keep claiming "nobody wants the Avatar stuff" When literally all you need to do to disprove that statement, is join any populated Battle Hub server, especially on the Asian ones. You can observe a literal tidal wave of people with fighters pass gear. So the audience buying it does exist and isnt necessarily small
I usually don't go into the BH but I did when the darkstalkers collab came out and there was a wave of complainers but all I saw was everyone using the new stuff, basically everyone bought it in the BH
The problem I have with this is that no avatar will ever good look as Chun, or Cammy, etc. Besides, those are the characters you play as in the first place. I am so glad that Tekken's arcade thing is done with chibi avatars and the focus for costumes is on the main characters.
@@sorarockss93 but Tekken 8s stuff looks so ugly. Looking at that game recently it's hard to tell who's even being played at first glance let alone how bad some of the outfits look. Genuinely can't believe people pay for that stuff.
My problem with tekken 8 costumes is that they dont follow any rules... you may have a "pants" item but then it wont let you equip shoes. Or a top part that doesnt let you equip pants. Gloves are all tied to tops and dont have a separate category. The customization in tekken is great but it could be better with some extra "attention to detail" and a greater ability to mix and match
I feel like World Tour is what is affecting the DLC of the game, especifially the character releases. Because not only the characters have to function well during regular matches, they have to function well during World Tour and the moveset has to work well with the avatar's skeleton no matter how deformed/cursed are the avatars.
Well that doesn’t really matter imo. They clearly just throw the characters in without the same amount of effort that goes into the regular gameplay. And I can guarantee you that the avatar skeleton does not influence the rosters animation in any way.
@@kingleonidas2182I don't think so because many of the World Tour cutscenes are just as polished as a critical art while also having missions, lore conversations, possible stages that come with them or new areas, and having Arcade mode along with it which is a lot to have for a single character.
The battle passes sell because if you finish it you get all your coins back which you can then use on the next battle pass and repeat the process. I've only paid for coins to use on battle pass once. All the ones after that I've just continued using the coins from the previous pass. Well, maybe 3 times, because there were a few passes that I couldn't finish because I was too busy IRL.
Wow thats facts. I paused the video after the point made from 14:00-15:00 and watched the first couple mins of Majin Obama’s “Street Fighter 5 Players Have Rose-Tinted Glasses” and that really put things in perspective. I totally forgot about the pricing for the last set of costumes. That reality hurts so much :(
@ yeah but that’s because(as said in the video) Capcom went on emergency mode and specifically ordered costumes because that was the only thing people were buying besides characters Costumes practically financed SFV
And then there's the antithesis "wait, you want me to pay 5 dollars for the color blue?" Everyone says they yearn for DLC content after having collective amnesia about shitting on Mortal Kombat for having _too much_ DLC content. Rest assured, there's probably 5-20 guys in Capcom HQ who would only produce costumes for Chun-Li out love of the game if they were allowed to but capitalism demands profit.
The character costumes are basically a one time purchase tho. The battle pass stuff is limited time exclusives(of music, titles and vs screens too), that launches every month. It's designed to make money in comparison.
@@valeoncat13You only have to spend money once on the fighter pass though lol As long as you grind you make back the 350 coins you spent towards it which can go towards the next fighter pass and rince and repeat. It's not like Fortnite where there is FOMo incentive outside the battle pass to use said V bucks you earn back (you actually earn back more than you spent towards the BP in Fortnite) because the item shop actually has things people want.....while SF6's item shop..... doesn't....and even if it DID, the fighter pass has nothing to DO with the item shop. And look at SF6's current item shop as we speak: is there anything in there worth buying? Hell no lol Vs Fortnite's item shop which currently has: John Wick My Hero Academia Avatar the Last Airbender J Balvin (performing artist) Lethal Company Snoop Dogg Guardians of the Galaxy And various music artist jam tracks Oh and overpriced Nike 👟 sneakers So no they're not making money with it at least not as much as you think they are.
Same here! You make a one time purchase for 250 fight coins to exchange for the fighter pass and each month it's refunded to you in fc. That way, you can get the next fight pass for free. You can get the entire year and more of fight passes just for one payment. How the heck are they making money out of it?!
And it probably cost significantly less to make. Add a track from a previous game? Should he simple. Design a brand new outfit and qa test it? Someones salary for weeks. If not months. @valeoncat13
@@OniAzul For starters, you have to be playing the game constantly to try and get your money back if one decided to earn FC through the passes. Not everyone has the time and patience to grind through these battlepass even with Objectives. Plus there's OTHER things to buy in the store than just costumes and just because you don't buy crap like emotes and stickers doesn't mean others didn't.
I’m gonna be real, I agree with pretty much everything said in the video but I wanna add to it. I think that people are going through games at an exponential rate. What might take someone a month to complete 10-15 years ago is now taking them about a week or less and I don’t think any developer in the world can ever match that outside of gigantic one like Epic with Fortnite
10 - 15 years ago we didn't have these people called "streamers" who make it their job to complete your games or play your games for 40 hours a week. Which in turn, people can get bored of your games very quickly and Devs are pressured to constantly make content. You're highlighting a bigger issue that people aren't ready for that conversation yet which it should be discussed.
Yeah but if the content sucks why would I waste my time grinding through to get it. That's SF6's problem: their content sucks. I refused to grind through December's fighter pass as well as January's because nothing in it was worth the time to grind even if you still get your coins back in the end.
I personally never bought cosmetics in fighting games before so I have zero issues with "no content", isn't the point of fighting games just fighting non stop. It's strange to me that people after complaining about microtransactions are actually asking to be monetised more.
I mean... the seasonal release is kinda... torture. Like, I get why, but definitely a far cry from how its predecesor did it.. though to me, it's different. Just hear me out: SFV was content heavy... to the point where that kind of saved it, given how HORRENDOUS initial reception was. SF6 started strong, but... feels lacking DLC wise in comparison. But... outfits aside, the content we get is far more detailed. While more costumes would be nice to have... I guess it'd be better if it was like 2 to a character as opposed to just one per DLC drop. I dunno... I'm just leery on fighters adopting a GAS format. Fighting Layer EX on Switch and even the essential release of DOA5FR on PS4 was like that for me
As Rooflemonger pointed out recently, it may have to do with the switch from Unreal to RE Engine. They can't outsource the costumers like they used to and their people who are trained in their engine have bigger priorities.
Oh, is that why they never gave Ashley and Ade their classic costumes in the RE4 remake? So much for that game "not cutting anything from the original."
I highly doubt that has anything to do with it. Asset production is rarely, if ever, tied to the engine, unless you're talking about models that use a specific utility form the engine like a character creator, and SF is certainly using original models made outside of the RE Engine which are then imported in.
That makes 0 sense, the people making mods of all things are making banger costumes BECAUSE re engine is such a better engine to work with, what a bullshit excuse
Each new character needs a World Tour storyline and to fit into the world so I think 90% of the work being done right now is on developing the RPG side of the game so they can't support the main cast with costumes and the "freaks" are a simpler generic model to build stuff for.
None of this would be a problem if you could just dress the base roster in this stuff or otherwise allow characters to be forced to fit a base roster character onto a direct clone of said character, like Soul Calibur but more controlled. We have all this neat stuff that we can't use anywhere. Can't have our custom characters be exactly like a base roster character because of moveset limits AND we can't even use these characters in lobbies at the BARE minimum. What good is this Avatar content feed if Fighting Grounds exclusive players can't even USE it even if they have it already? I'd put Megaman's suit on Lily and have an Avatar Yor Forger as an alt Chun Li in a heartbeat, would buy the Ninja Turtle suits, all that if Capcom would simply LET ME USE IT.
@aledantih6524 and that's perfectly fine! The stages aren't the same across players when you play online, why would the costumes have to be? It's still better than all this nothing I can do with my stuff as is.
@@aledantih6524 it's ALREADY THERE and they're taking 8 years to do ANYTHING else. I'd rather that than the exactly jack shit we got now. Sides stuff like the Megaman, Monster Hunter and Ninja Turtles stuff already look like their SF5 costumes anyway so why not.
Crazy bc me and my friend just picked this game up after debating which out of the big 3, the first thing we noticed was the lack of costumes and characters, I was genuinely surprised about the 18 character base roster, granted the characters are pretty cool so i guess it ain’t that bad
I think the lack of content is bad if you have put tons of time into the game like you're trying to be a professional since the start. Otherwise it's great to play every couple days, improve, grind some rank, battle hub, play some new character or whatever.
I'll still never understand that one. Fucking hell. And even before they erased him, I hated when they nerfed the hell out of him by removing the chicken 🐔 wing 🍗 kick in SSFIV/USFIV
I do agree with the idea that just because content that is being put out doesn't appeal to other players doesn't mean the content is non existent because I'm one of the people who is more interested in playing Street Fighter 6 offline despite having some online matches but I do think that there is an imbalance of content that should be better such as having more Giant Attacks that provide new colors for the main cast so it is something for both offline players to engage with and something that gives an aesthetic impact to online play.
As someone who did QA on the Xbox Avatars for several years, I can only imagine how much of a headache it is developing content for SFVI. You need to do concepts, get them approved, make them, and then go through an extensive QA process. With avatars in general, there are so many variables to account for (assets breaking under certain animations, overall quality being good enough for a variety of body shapes, etc). Rinse and repeat the QA process several times until the assets are good enough to sign off. I can't imagine the in-house team handling this content is that big unless Capcom are heavily invested in it.
I think the lack of frequent balance adjustments, 4 characters a year, and no costumes for actual characters combined hurts the game and I'm sure Tekken 8 is gonna feel that too real soon
So I *am* the World Tour audience. It's a large part of why I bought the game and honestly? We're getting screwed. Capcom tripped at the finish line and the FGC doesn't realize how bad it is because they don't care about World Tour and don't realize how bad of an eff up it is. See, you can't DO anything with your World Tour character! You can't use them in Arcade Mode, you can't use them in offline VS, there's no "no levels" option, no way to fight them on any stage other than the Battle Hub, the characters do not transfer between systems, the Battle Passes are complete rip-offs, and the FOMO is completely nasty. Honestly Capcom's monetization towards the World Tour audience is a disgusting scam and it makes me not want to play the game. At the same time, I think the character roster is awful and I am also disappointed at the lack of costumes too. I think SF6 is the best post-SF3 Street Fighter. I like it SO much more and 4 and especially 5 (I hate 5). But I think Capcom got everything ALMOST right and then screwed up at the end resulting in what I find to be a frustrating and miserable experience. I basically do not care about the game at all until Elena comes out.
Yeah but modders aren't salaried. They not only have the freedom to work on whatever they want for however long they want, they don't have to have it reviewed or approved or passed off to other team members. A passion project done for free is simply not the same as a working on a game in studio.
@valeoncat13 Ok. So, about what Max was saying about the complexities of QA, like how to get these costumes working well in-game, how do new costumes take more than a year at this point to come out when the outfits on the avatars tend to perform well? Sure, we gotta consider the tournament scene and how even more crazy it is to make sure the new outfits work in this game. However, we got Outfit 3 for every character only a few months after the game came out, not to mention two new characters. We've had two major tournaments for this game afterwards and nothing went wrong. We keep getting shitty costumes for Avatars to suit a newer modern player base that I'm pretty sure SF6 has already lost most of a year ago. Yet, however, the modders, who are not on salary, are making money still by pumping out costumes for PC players to keep playing the game while console gamers lose out and are just inclined to drop this game for Tekken or Marvel Rivals.
@@arrhythmiticd8089 Pretty much QA is dragging ass because it allows them ot keep their jobs. Since the modders are doing what QA are doing since they're designs the costumes then most likely running it in game and during cutscenes over and over. If it takes this much "QA" to put Ryu in a clean white Gi with Capcom on the leg and CPT on the back they're failing at their job
@@arrhythmiticd8089your cherry picking. As someone who does mod it does take a lot longer to create these however, the scope of what the modern has to do vs the developer is a lot different. John Cena outfit for example only has to work for dhalsim, but in sf6's case that John Cena outfit has to work for all hand/feet/body/head sizes because it has to also work in WT mode. Also if you look at how long an individual takes to release another outfit it does take a bit (generally they release them in packs) Also, a lot of the mods that are out now still cause issues meaning they aren't qa tested. Some don't but a lot of them do. A modder has a lot more free time to work on something than a salary dev whether it's weekends or outside their normal time.
@Gamerznation704 Bruh, why are all of you hard-working people defending those who make more than twice the amount y'all make a year working on the games we love? Especially when they ask us to cough up $70-$100 for a game that offers much less than the previous titles (at least the stuff that we care about). If you're thinking, "well, what about World Tour and Battle Hub?" Then, I'll say to that "well, imagine if Virtua Fighter 6 added a racing mode, but the controls are clunky like Motor Kombat, full online multiplayer with only four tracks and eight characters and nothing else gets done to the game but new customizable items for just the vehicles?" Well, regardless, if y'all really like World Tour and Battle Hub and y'all play the game for that reason, then hey. However, for those who play the game for Ranked and Casual, especially on console, this amount of settling can only leave the people starving even more for new content to the point of leaving the game. Y'all are hurting the game at this point.
One thing I really hope they do is an actual update or DLC for world tour. The potential for that mode is huge. And there’s more that could be done. Whether in 6 or in 7, one thing that would be great is online co-op. But the titan attack boss raid type thing they do for battle hub is a great idea and hope they eventually expand on it. One that would be great is ‘dojo battle’. Where you choose a team, and by winning matches and doing challenges, win points for you team, and if your team wins, you get more rewards.
I would not mind buying avatar outfits like the Darkstalkers, Geese , tmnt etc if you could play them in other offline modes like vs, arcade mode etc but I have no need for those outfit if you can only play them in world or avatar battle. If they can't do multiple skins a year, at least, do a character set for all the characters and do 1 skin for the character birthday. So that way, all characters get at 2 skins per year. And I don't want to wait 10+ years for Cammy to have her killer bee outfit again.
They keep releasing battlepasses that pay for themselves, you can easily grind it with the orders and WT subway grinding and get your money back. The biggest problem was the reaction to costume 3 when we (rightyl) got angry that to get all the costumes were over $100 so not many people bought them.
This kind of makes me wonder what Max would think of Granblue Rising's DLC content stuff. For instance, it has a Season Pass, currency for costumes/colours/etc stuff, and Battle Passes for a Premium Character costume each (along with other bits in them).
As a huge fan of World Tour and Avatar, I'm not interested much in these frequently avatar cosmetic (as I only need bikini brief for my bodybuilder avatar lol :D), but I can understand people's frustration since costumes are 1 of the main contents of the game. Honestly I'd prefer they invest resources make new WT content like new cutscenes and missions, new stronger enemies. Make new cutscenes for the roster both in WT and FG, hell, let us allowed to change costumes in cutscenes just like SFV so they can even sell more, this would be amazingly approach. And man, make all base colors free, make more colors for all outfit like SFV or let us do custom color.
Rooflemonger made a really good point that all of the resources for RE Engine modelers is probably being prioritized on developing Monster Hunter Wilds, and that they'll probably launch the next costumes with Super SF6 since that'd be the next big refresh of the game
As someone who's played World Tour for more than 60 hours, long story short, it sucks. There are many many more single player games that do their job 1000 times better. When I got a bit burned out from Ranked I went to play some World Tour but it got boring fast and then I thought: "Why the hell am I playing this slop when I have GoW and RDR2?" I didn't think much about the avatar stuff but seeing as resources are going toward that and not more main cast costumes I absolutely despise it now.
I'd love to have an in-game excuse to play the game every day to do daily quests and stuff, but I just couldn't care less about the content in the battle pass. If they at the very least had some costumes for characters that were "low effort", like a default costume but with a small variation, or even just different colors in the battle pass I'd feel like grinding for them. But otherwise, seeing all that content for the avatar not only doesn't motivate me, but it kinda annoys me and that makes me wanna play the game even less.
Let's look at it this way. In less time since release (unless I am mistaken) Mortal Kombat 1 had more characters released, skins (or customizable costume pieces), and an entire story DLC. I know Nether realm games don't really have a 10 year life cycle like other fighting titles, but still it's an impressive amount of content for the game. Even with SF5 it feels like we were getting way more regular updates and characters were releasing closer together per season. I guess if I cared about any of the DLC characters the wait wouldn't 've been this bad, but the only character that kinda makes me want to return to SF6 is Mai and not that much to be honest (love SNK games but she was never one of my go to choices).
This is such a weird point of contention for me. I mean, I love costumes and I think they're cool, but the community bitches so much about it that they act like SF6 is trash right now and will magically transform into the best game ever if Costume #4 is released. Like, I'll be excited when it happens, but it's not that big of a deal.
There is nothing wrong with wanting more stuff to dress your characters with But if you actively NEED a paid cosmetic in order to enjoy a game, then maybe you never liked it that much in the first place
My thing is why not give us a costume color pack, something that’s easy to do and will make people feel like they’re at least getting something. How about an Evil Ryu, Violent Ken, Cyber Akuma etc. it’s a way to have extra characters w/o having to do massive amounts of work.
I love SF6 but i don't get that a lot of content is release to World Tour but almost nothing to online matches & main characters (costumes) stuff... go figure
I frankly hold the belief that the bar for fighting games has been heightened to a point that is nigh unreachable for a singular fighting game. I'm not trying to say the FGC is wrong for wanting more out of their games, but ask a FGC member what features they want most out of a new game and their answers could vary wildly. Rollback netcode, "traditional" vs. "new" playstyle (as in, resembling old Street Fighter or something like Guilty Gear Strive respectively), specific characters, offline/single-player modes, good story mode, e-sports potential, frequent content additions (as is the topic of the video), cool cosmetics, accessibility to new players, etc. Over time, the definition of 'bare minimum' for fighting games feels like it's getting more and more specific and demanding (I have not engaged with fighting games in a while, so this is just my impression as a spectator). And because you can't please everyone, different games will have different priorities as to which of these qualities they consider more important (SF 6 clearly prioritizing their more 'casual' audience), and those that they deem not as important equals thousands of players they lose/don't cater to, and as such, money they don't get. And for some reason, I find fighting game players are really quick to turn around on a game--I still don't get what exactly happened with DNF Duel (before the year-long DLC drought). And while some individual fighting games helped set this standard, that was mostly set by other types of games. Like Max said, games as a service have set a new standard for the industry that fighting games (in the way they have been designed since forever) are barely able to hold up to. Honestly, I'm waiting to see a big fighting game franchise try to go the Multiversus route and actually succeed, because I feel that that scenario could bring up a serious discussion of what do we want out of our games (and if we REALLY want fighting games to be more like games as a service).
I would love more character costumes not for the avatars but my gosh it’s a fighting game folks ain’t much else to do but fight. World Tour is interesting but the meat of the game is just well online play. Costumes just take forever as indicated but I had no idea it took THIS much effort.
Create a Soul is one of my favorite things of the Soulcalibur series but I would easily get rid of it for bringing back the extra modes from SC2 like the VS Team Battle.
I'll say this again, I wouldn't be so annoyed/tired of all this avatar slop if there was actually more things to DO with these avatars. Let us save multiple avatars with movesets attached to them and let us use them in the Fighting Ground roster, like Soul Calibur!
Man I just can’t anymore with street fighter I actually went back to MK1 there not any better with the time that they drop dlcs but at least you get a character and a half 😂
In MK1 players get 4-5 premium skins each season + at least 1 free earnable skin, not to mention 6 characters instead of 4 in expansion pack. Some characters have 10 costumes while the outsiders have 4 costumes, which is more than SF6 has for all characters even though the game came out before MK1. And you can earn premium currency in game.
Even if the answer is they sell better, you can still do some costumes here and there. The fact that we havent gotten squat for dlc in so long and the characters have been so spread out, its actively hurting the game. They need to pop in a few costumes here and there between characters. I dont think max really made a single argument that i would consider valid. We dont know that the battle passes are doing great for capcom, if they have not alot of people on dlc then thats a planning issue.
I think we're just in an era where costumes are expected. constant updates. things are moving at a rapid pace and no one understands what they want, so they're all upset.
Honestly as someone who into fighters in about 2021, I get extremely confused when people conflate costumes with "content" because that isn't a substantial change to how the game is interacted with or a wildly new experience, its just more transaction stuff, so it get annoying to hear people say that "where's the content?" when SF6 is arguably the most content rich SF game ever. Like World Tour on its own was a huge amount of content that helped get me even more hyped for the game alongside the actual game itself, and the fact Capcom is constantly updating it just makes it keep getting better and better.
I think that's the difference maker here. A lot of fans, if not most, that have been around for longer couldn't give an iota about world tour, or the create a character battle hub stuff so it just is a matter of what they like about the game feeling neglected for what they see as just side modes. If things were paced differently there wouldn't be this backlash, the core of the controversy really is just the lopsidedness of it all and lack of communication really. Just some of the larger FGC tends to be bad at conveying their thoughts in a way that doesn't sound like someone trying give a controversial Twitter take out loud lol
@@MagillanicaLouM I get what you're saying. I can't say that I inherently want less DLC characters per season pass because of World Tour and stuff, but I understand why it is that way, even without World Tour since they are making these characters as polished as possible. I can say that the break they have taken between both 2nd and 3rd DLC characters are kinda annoying and I wish that they paced out their releases better to have a 3 month wait for each character. So I get where people are coming from, but I think you are on the point that a lot of the wider FGC don't properly articulate the problems that do exist, because I feel like if people said "Why do we have these uneven wait times between content releases?" Vs. "THERE IS NO CONTENT!!!!", I would personally feel less annoyed by it lol
Costumes and other characters IS content since World Tour is ass i'm sorry since for one the created character isn't the same type as the WHOLE cast. So this weird out of place "human" is standing new to icons that standout. If they wanted WT to really hit they would have normalized the art style for created characters.
I never understood this issue for fighting games.... I thought things like costumes where a small gift to players not that important i thought the actual content was fighting other players online.. how could you get mad at a battle pass or even say there is no content when you can learn all these different characters? You dont even have to interact with the micro transactions and still put over 100 hours into the game ? Someone explain this shit to me im lost
KT tried to do that with DOA. It killed the franchise as they got disconnected from the core market. They eventually just bundled everything into 5LR… and 6 never got off the ground because it was rushed. I think 2XKO will probably bomb. Because the FGC market it just very different than FPS/Strategy market.
The main problem for me is the silence from Capcom. I don’t need to know WHY they are going in on Avatar content, if it’s making them a ton of money good for them. But they get hundreds of comments with every “content” announcement pleading for main roster centered content and it just seems to fall on deaf ears. All we need is a “we are working on costume 4, but it takes more time. Thank you for your patience.”
This is the main problem I have too. I really wish they'd just say its gonna take more time, you'd still get people crying but just something to basically say "they're coming out soon, shut the fuck up about them" would be amazing.
Issue is communication is never enough from what ive seen. Devs communicate but then people foam at the mouth until they know every single daily detail on things that it just becomes better to just release stuff when its done. Its less headache. Imagine they released your statement to social media then the hell that ensues because people want an exact date.
I must me tripping because I REMEBER when SFV was out, EVERYONE was complaining about how there were TOO MANY COSTUMES (and they mainly went to Chun-Li!). Fuck, back in my day we DIDN'T have extra costumes, just colors that came in the game and we were HAPPY. It's wild to see how much y'all have been roped in by the very thing that's making gaming shit to begin with, microtransactions.
Oh so your logic says that now we get ZERO costumes? If your biggest issue with SFV was that it had "too many costumes" why not just dial it back a bit instead of having to wait A YEAR to give Chun-Li a THIRD costume? It's OK to call out "Modern CapGOD", dude, you don't have to be a perpetual bootlicker. Also, why do I get the feeling you're one of the people who complained about Capcom fighting games of the previous generation "lacking content"? Yeah, I TOTALLY believe you're content with just having two palette swaps in a game you paid full price for.
Gotta pay for those colors in SF6 though. There's a reason a lot of people are tired of seeing default outfit P1 and P2 colors in match footage or at locals. Really hope they drop a Super version bundle/iteration so we can enjoy some visual variety again.
What I don't understand about the battle passes is that I could be the target audience for these, but why would I buy them if I've done everything in World Tour? Just so I could sit in the battle hub?
Like I said before, this is the price we pay for a more realistic art style as well as a higher commitment to quality. Content is just going to take longer to come out, for better or worse. That plus SF6 is made by the same division of Capcom as Monster Hunter, & MH Wilds is right around the corner.
Huh, didn't know they're from the same team. I'd be hoping that SF and fighter games in general could be their own team, but if they have to alternate between fighting games and Monster Hunter I get why SF-stuff slows to a crawl because Capcom is never NOT gonna be making Monster Hunter games.
Nah Max, SFV felt like a game as a service. SF6 BARELY feels like that. Other than the passes, the game doesn’t have a lot of live servicy elements. And I don’t want it to. I don’t want fighting games AT ALL to be live services. They don’t belong in the “Fortnite Genre”.
Yes people did complain about costume prices. They also would have sold a lot more of them if they were half the price which benefits everyone. They could release characters and costumes sooner but they don’t want to. They have different priorities than the people playing the game . Modders seem to have no issues making costumes
I also would like to add.....I play world tour/battle hub and do enjoy some of the cosmetics that comes within that, but I also everything in fighting ground as well. They need to keep it at 50/50.
The complaining on basically every video to do with SF6 has really soured me on the community and the game more than the lack of content. Can't watch a video or tourney without some airheads crying about costumes in the comments/chat. Like goddam these are the same people saying throw loops gives the game a bad image.
Exactly. This is the same dork ass shit we deal with in call of duty. Except everyone cries about optional DLCs and how broke they are...SF6 FGC community wants to give up their money and will whine like babies until they get their way... Video gaming is so weird with the addition of social media
Remember Capcom wanted to go after the modding community which are basically doing what the people want for free. Instead of hiring them since they clearly know what they're doing. Thus cutting the development fat Capcom is acting like boomers once again and making the dev process lower than what it needs to be. They have main staffers on costumes when they should be on characters. Then Capcom is clearly split due to MonHun when that drops this is gonna happen AGAIN
Capcom saw the thumbnail and said "Drop the Mai trailer tomorrow".
Thanks for manifesting the Mai trailer, Max!
Capcom: Crap! Max is pointing out the issues to the casual audience! Drop the Good Gurl!!!
@@Neoxon619 it was the same release schedule as terry
Exactly, NEVER mess with Maximillian Dood and his want for more FG DLC content.
😂😂😂
"There's a Darkstalkers thing, who gives a shit."
...come on, man. There's like five of us still. 😢
Yeah, 5 colors that barely resembles the colors of the real characters
Lmao 5 of us!? Yeah maybe like 20-30 of us that consistently have VSAV in their rotation of fighters. 😂 The darkstalkers avatar pieces were terrible, if Capcom is gonna do darkstalkers content make em character costumes! 😺
Make that 6 :)
The Darkstalkers poll felt like such a colossal knife to the gut lol
@@devilcatv2 I'm coping for a guest fighter. Ideally I would have wanted Talbain, but given he became an avatar costume I don't know if that's likely. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if a later season dropped Morrigan as a playable DLC for SF6.
They really saw Max upload this and said DROP THE MAI TRAILER NOW
His jinxing is sometimes a blessing in disguise. XD
Even with Mai, what is really going to change in this game? It’s pretty much cooked
No, max uploaded this about 15 minutes after Capcoms tweet!
Bro, is a joke, nobody is that stupid@DANCERcow
@@JoeyCentrallmao in what world this game cooked? Still most popular fighting game at this day
bro summoned a gameplay trailer with this one
No, Capcom summoned Max's video! Max uploaded this video about 15 minutes later after Capcoms message
@@DANCERcow Which means he talked about it on stream at least a night before this video was edited/uploaded lol
How'd i know about Mai yesterday from just an article 😂😂😂😂😂
We need more costumes for the roster characters, not the avatars. SF5 had so many cool alternative outfits.
Most of the sfv alts looked like shit though. I’d take quality over quantity any day.
Avatars in general were a mistake.
@@charlieharrington9555 it's been more than a year since we've had costume 3 release, a whole year is too damn long without ANY new cosmetics for actual characters
@@charlieharrington9555 quality over quantity but years between costumes is ridiculous. last batch of costumes weren't exactly 10/10 anyway
@ for sure,I agree. I’m just saying the SFV was the opposite extreme ; the costumes were churned out like crazy and looked like shit you would buy at a spirit halloween
I feel bad for everyone. I've been rocking Akuma's default Cos1 because it's such a banger, but I know what it's like to yearn for new threads. RELEASE THE DRIP!
I'm the same with Terry but i wouldn't mind that basketball fit he has in one of his artwork
Can't believe you willed a Mai gameplay trailer to existence with this video XD
I was gonna say the exact same thing.
No the other way around, Capcom posted their message first
Hopefully she looks better in this one, teaser trailer was awful ngl
I got into fighting games after getting burnt out from live service games, so the prospect of the big fighting game franchises going live service and the FGC needing live service for a new fighting game to be worthy of their time genuinely concerns me, between the damage live service has done to the industry, the stress put on the devs, and the monetization creep are things I do not want to see happen to this genre, we shouldn't sacrifice fun for the sake of engagement
While fighting games mostly aren't live service you still had microtransactions in them forever now. Its been bad because we have to pay for season passes every year along with costumes, so I've long since gotten used to it.
Yes, I'm glad that fighting games **compared to other genres** have been pretty light on the scummy business practices plaguing other genres. My main concern is that Capcom will see the fan backlash and think
"Alright, so gamers don't want a great, fully fledged game on release, they just want a steady content drip"
because I think that'll lead fighting games down a darker path. Personally, I think SF6 has been a great overall package since day 1 and haven't felt the need for new costumes/content. Of course I wouldn't be mad if they added more, but it's not personally necessary.
@@Hyziant Yeah. People get super-defensive when you point the finger at "gamers" for damaging the quality of the gaming industry, but this is certainly an area where I think it's true. The abject need for constant stimulation over time - the endless hype-cycle - just chews away at the notion of having a quality, finished product that you can just own.
It's like, would you rather a quality steak cooked and seasoned to perfection on Sunday or a whole week of reheated BigMacs? I think the BigMacs would win that in the present environment, even if collectively they cost more than the steak.
@@Hyziant i don't think folks want or need fgs to become even more "games as a service-ish", ppl were very vocal about how scummy the pricing on costume 3 was to them. It's just that since this is a game where they are releasing post launch content, it leaning so heavily on a mode most longtime fans see as a goofy distraction at best, coupled with the way they're handling stuff that audience DOES care about like character releases for example, being somewhat controversial, and the odd lack of communication compared to previously with the guys at the helm regarding everything, its all just headscratching and annoying. Least that's how it is for me, probably the vibe for many others lol.
One thing to remember though, fighting games pretty much had ‘live service’ before life service.
I’m sure you know the numerous editions of SF2.
As annoying as it is having to pay for each season pass, I consider it to be more consumer friendly since someone who buys the base game can still play an up to date version with everyone years from release.
Bro said, "air drive impact," like what devious thing to think of instantly
Air perfect parry 😊
Would be amazing lmao😂
And it stuns you into the ground.
I need to drive rush in the air
@ I thought Akuma was gonna have something like that.
7:03 on the note of "SF feel like a game that wants to be games as service, but isn't" I forgot where I heard this but, there was a theory going around that this might have been the idea early on, and the best "evidence" for this was the fact that Battle Hub, World Tour, and Fighting Ground are very distinct modes in the menu. I think i remember when I first purchased SF6, I believe it had one of the modes as the base game (I think it was Battle Hub) and the other two modes were technically add-ons, even though they downloaded with the initial game anyways. So, some people theorize that one mode was going to be the "free" version, and the other modes were basically paid dlc
I wish we had 6 dlc characters per year. The time in between waiting for the next character to release feels extremely long
That's one of the things I can appreciate about Mortal Kombat's DLC for MK11 & MK12 because you don't have to wait as long.
Or at least 5, but we tought that they working balanced contents and yet, even they are slow with the characters they are even slow with general contents in the game.
Lame recycled avatar outfits with the same similar designs (different prints) they could add more areas in world tour or including a personal room for the players so they can decorate their rooms, i mean there a lot of fun contents that they can include but they are slow as hell lol
And like always happens: Capcom listening but they ignore the fanbase, they doesnt want "ideas" from the customers because they think that they can do better.
Even 6 isn't enough should be 8
They have to implement them into world tour mode, that's probably why it's taking even longer.
@@MegaDarkness5000 honestly having 100%'d WT and maxed out every new mentor everytime a character comes out it's not enough there either, that's like an additional hour of "content"' tops and I insist on the quotation marks cause really all you do is farm mentor XP (most efficiently through tournaments) until you've unlocked all of their moves and you're done, the only piece of content you actually get are the sidequests that come with them and that's like 5m long at most, and all that in the only gamemode in which most BP content finds relevance and with months-long wait periods in-between.
All that to say even having 100%'d world tour I'd be absolutely fine with them stopping WT implementation, it has next to no replay value regardless, we wouldn't be missing much and whatever we might miss out on would be more than made up with 1 or 2 additional character each year
I GET it but this 4 character dlc gon kill me dawg. 😩😩
I will say something as a casual/WT Player.
I've been out of the fighting game since the early 2000s, as soon as I started to be pretty bad at them. I grew up on arcades and KOF 97 was the last time I felt I was average enough to play those games.
So I've been all those years following the fighting communities as a watcher without being able to enjoy it properly.
World Tour made me buy SF6 and play it almost daily. Modern made me try multiplayer and still have some moderate amount of fun.
Capcom hadn't got a single dime from me for years. They got me with the Fighting Pass, and the costumes and WT content update.
And you can be sure there are plenty of players like me in-game currently, despite the veterans absolutely hating the extra content that our slice of the audience is getting.
I just said this in another comment lol😂. SFV mishaps made Capcom focus away from esports as much and more so on the casual audience, who spends money on this stuff.
same here brother
copy-pasting something I said under another comment but it's the same sentiment:
"honestly having 100%'d WT and maxed out every new mentor everytime a character comes out it's not enough there either, that's like an additional hour of "content"' tops and I insist on the quotation marks cause really all you do is farm mentor XP (most efficiently through tournaments) until you've unlocked all of their moves and you're done, the only piece of content you actually get are the sidequests that come with them and that's like 5m long at most, and all that in the only gamemode in which most BP content finds relevance and with months-long wait periods in-between.
All that to say even having 100%'d world tour I'd be absolutely fine with them stopping WT implementation, it has next to no replay value regardless, we wouldn't be missing much and whatever we might miss out on would be more than made up with 1 or 2 additional character each year"
I agree with the sentiment. Most WT players I know actually do not like most of the offers available either through the Fighting Pass or the Hub Store. We would much rather see less of those things if we had more content instead, be it new characters (so we had more story and more masters and skills), or features like some sort of New Game+ or making the dozens upon dozens of NPCs outfits to be farmable in WT that are for some reason unavailable for players.
Max is pretty spot on; as usual. It’s still a shame about the lack of communication and costumes for the main cast though.
The chief complaint is about main cast costumes. He spoke about them making content in general but facts are is that there is less content for multiplayer guys
@@blacklite911 I've said it in other places; but if you want me to care more about the avatar costumes, give us some avatar modes outside of the simple battles.
Where's dramatic battles? where's coop raid fights against the Giant Attack events? where's the stat balanced version of avatar ranked? something that could give more value to a post World Tour run.
@@pockystyx4087 Yeah, this something I wish more people pointed out.
@@pockystyx4087you're not the target. that's why
@@blacklite911 Right and I do disagree with his take that the main character costumes are a niche thing that a few ppl are asking for; the majority of OGs & newcomers from the community socials I've seen want main character costumes so really it's not that Capcom is leaving old players behind, it's that they're fumbling basic supply by popular demand and yet still falling upwards 😮💨
People finally realizing what I realized on day 1: Capcom wanted their version of Fortnite with the avatars and battle pass. It worked and is thriving really well. So now everything else falls to the wayside.
I hope they don't go back on a Crapcom streak
? how is this anything like fortnite. Fornite is known for brand recognition
@@skinnytoadd1820I think they mean about the limited time battle pass they have for most of the avatar customization + a retro capcom game and some music
@@skinnytoadd1820 What he meant is Capcom having their cow to milk with DLC and battlepasses, besides SF6 already had collabs like TMNT and SpyxFamily, and they're not going to be the only ones.
@@HanDaimond But people are complaining now that there's not enough overpriced costumes coming out for the main cast. Who cares if Capcom milks the Avatar scene with low quality cosmetics. If idiots are dumb enough to purchase let them. As long as we don't get a repeat of SF5 ridiculous level of overpriced costumes.
Yeah, biggest issue for me rn is $50 per season pass. Getting 4 characters and a couple maps. Idk, $50 is a whole other game. That’s pretty crazy.
Actually, it's $30 for the pass. $50 is the pass plus their third costume.
Honestly, I did forget about the pricing fiasco... if THAT'S the reason why they're reworking how they're doing what they're doing, I can't be mad.
I'm def not gonna pay $20 for an extra Dhalsim outfit just because it's tied to a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Collab 😂
@@Budgiecat-w4p I would, that's sounds awesome.
@robertsiereveld1683 You know what's stupid and breaks Max's argument?
The Terry Bogard character cost 350 coins that's roughly $5
The Terry Bogard item shop outfit costs close to $30
Out of those two....which do you think took the developers more time and money to make?
@@Budgiecat-w4pand he says everyone criticized the prices and made videos about it BUT I’m sure EVERYONE also bought the costumes because I literally see everyone playing with their new costumes. So if the devs heard the community and then checked the metric of sales they should be like “okay they’re talking a ton but still buying our shit” and should have continued to make them just like avatar gear. People scream and hate them at least the vocal ones but people in asia buy them A SHIT TON. They’re profitable as fuck. So yeah this is a clear shift on focus on what to develop, they’re also probably still having issues with new dlc character developments as the trailers are getting late, release dates are being shadow pushed etc.
to me personally I hate that they’re focusing avatar stuff and I hate that there has been no communication for over a year now about new costumes and they chose this way not to communicate. They could’ve released the pre art like last year and they could’ve at least gave us an explanation of what was happening and that is more infuriating than not having new costumes at this point imo. That’s why people were mad at this madgear bootcamp pack twitter post and they still do not acknowledge ANYTHING
And to be honest we don’t want marvel rivals like paced costumes on sf6 we just want to have at least 1 costume for everybody at least once a year! And a gentle reminder that now it’s more than a year since they released the new ones. (Dlc char costumes dont count since they were probably finished but they decided to ship them after a certain point of dlc chars released)
I think the bigger issue is that Capcom execs will see a GAS; Marvel Rivals, Fortnite ect. And say "that makes a ton of money, we should do that!" And then directors or something will tell them "youre going to piss off our fans to no end" or "we have no idea how to even set up that project" and so you just have this weird mishmash where they dont want to commit fully to either but the GAS makes more money so producers and execs tell then to focus on the custom character stuff but then they still need to work on making alternate characters too which us even harder when its a guest character like from SNK and being a part of the SF6 team sounds like the most frustrating thing ever rn ngl
The fact that fighting games are selling characters is so weird to me. Vast majority of people will only ever main 1 character. League of Legends has a way better business model suited exactly to this, where you get to unlock 1-2 characters early on, the rest are on a free weekly rotation and if you want more characters, you can buy them or slowly unlock them by playing a lot. Most of the money then is made by skins - complete skins (like Overwatch), not individual skin items for item slots, so that way they don't have to worry so much about QA like Tekken either, allowing them to make the skins for cheap.
Better yet, DoTA2 just outsources the skin making to the community. The get dev/mod tools, you can model your own skin, upload it to the workshop, people can vote on it and then it will make it into the next battlepass/lootbox for a price and the devs share revenue with the creator. They created an ecosystem for their game. They're making new game modes with that too! And then the devs take ideas from mods to create event-gamemodes! How the hell is there not a single fighting game that comes with proper mod tools?! They are shooting themselves in the foot with this.
@@1InVader1 that's a very strange thing to say because Capcom has been selling characters since a lot of us has been born, ie; Super Street Fighter 2. There's a good amount of people using characters that were beyond the original cast of The World Warrior, more characters means more content and more ways to play the game. Not everybody, dare I even say most, people are not satisfied with the initial roster of a given game; look at SFV, almost nobody plays a character from the launch roster these days. There's a debate that all the extra content should be free; Max has been advocating Free To Play for a long, LONG time, but you'd be breaking a tradition Capcom has been running with for over 30 years that has seen plenty if success.
@@1InVader1this is definitely what 2XKO is doing (I’m pretty sure they’ve confirmed skins like league).
But yeah, I feel like what can be improved in the future for fighting games is paid DLC being the additional stuff.
Characters and maybe maps are free. But in return, the micro transaction (thus income) comes from skins and expansion packs for the single player.
E.g. world tour in sf6 hasn’t actually had any real actual updates to it beyond the masters added from DLC. But no new areas. No new missions and gameplay. No story expansion.
One thing I feel that will help fighting games sell and maintain relevance while still keeping its competitiveness, is having modes and other things that engage any kind of people.
And obviously still have a good ranked with a balanced game so even comp is a focus.
And the best thing is if managed well, is viable. Since the people behind the balance and game design for the main fighting, don’t have to work on the cosmetics or single player or other multiplayer content
@@1InVader1Sounds like you just explained Multiversus model which has its own fair share of complaints
@@samu1414 Multiplayer FPS were selling map packs since I was born, but then they realized that's a stupid thing to do, because it fragments the playerbase.
Selling characters doesn't quite fragment the playerbase, but it does limit the audience, because when a cool character like Mai comes for SF6, which could attract new players, they will look at the price at a 50% discount, and then realize they have to shell out 90 euros for the game anyways, because they need the DLC and then they won't buy the game cuz it's a ripoff. But but buuut you can buy individual characters with premium currency! Oh wait, if you do the math, the premium currency is also a ripoff.]
By the time this goes on sale, there will be a new console generations and then fighting game studios will abandon this game and re-release it with a higher number for the next console generation, because you gotta have the higher number fighting game for the new console - Tekken 8 could have been just a patch for Tekken 7.
Rooflemonger did a good bit on the absence of outfits for SF6 4 days ago that makes a lot of sense. References the old leaks re. SF super and ultra.
I would hope that they are doing a split between at least 8 seasons total planned minimum with super coming out as a part of the end of season 4.
I think the worst part is the “you can never get it after this” approach of the fight passes.
Yeah its predatory on purpose. Which to the game industry's credits, people purchase based on FOMO consistently. That's why it's the standard now.
They need a team of 50 people producing Juri costumes non-stop. One year of that, would fund the game for the next ten.
As soon as he uploads this the street fighter channel puts up a premiere for Mai gameplay lmao
Other way around. After Capcom makes a premier for Mai for tomorrow Max them uploads this video
@DANCERcow this video went up first then the Mai premiere popped up
No, check the times. This video was uploaded after
@@DANCERcow i did and you're wrong this went up before the premiere popped up
Their message on Twitter about Mai trailer tomorrow came out roughly 15 minutes before max uploaded this video!
Maybe this outfit stuff is gonna turn out to be a whole outfit/color editor once the “super” version drops. That would be incredible
Times like this, I miss Soul Calibur. I remember playing 2 and 3, and there was just SO MUCH content. So much to do in the game and have fun with.
Nothing out now really interests me the same way. RIP Soul Calibur...
I still find it funny how people keep claiming "nobody wants the Avatar stuff"
When literally all you need to do to disprove that statement, is join any populated Battle Hub server, especially on the Asian ones.
You can observe a literal tidal wave of people with fighters pass gear.
So the audience buying it does exist and isnt necessarily small
Yup
That's the famous bridge of the casuals and the FGC
I usually don't go into the BH but I did when the darkstalkers collab came out and there was a wave of complainers but all I saw was everyone using the new stuff, basically everyone bought it in the BH
The problem I have with this is that no avatar will ever good look as Chun, or Cammy, etc. Besides, those are the characters you play as in the first place. I am so glad that Tekken's arcade thing is done with chibi avatars and the focus for costumes is on the main characters.
@@sorarockss93 but Tekken 8s stuff looks so ugly. Looking at that game recently it's hard to tell who's even being played at first glance let alone how bad some of the outfits look. Genuinely can't believe people pay for that stuff.
@@aledantih6524 Not all the costumes are amazing but at least it has customization and the characters get outfits often.
My problem with tekken 8 costumes is that they dont follow any rules... you may have a "pants" item but then it wont let you equip shoes. Or a top part that doesnt let you equip pants. Gloves are all tied to tops and dont have a separate category. The customization in tekken is great but it could be better with some extra "attention to detail" and a greater ability to mix and match
I feel like World Tour is what is affecting the DLC of the game, especifially the character releases. Because not only the characters have to function well during regular matches, they have to function well during World Tour and the moveset has to work well with the avatar's skeleton no matter how deformed/cursed are the avatars.
Well that doesn’t really matter imo. They clearly just throw the characters in without the same amount of effort that goes into the regular gameplay. And I can guarantee you that the avatar skeleton does not influence the rosters animation in any way.
@@kingleonidas2182I don't think so because many of the World Tour cutscenes are just as polished as a critical art while also having missions, lore conversations, possible stages that come with them or new areas, and having Arcade mode along with it which is a lot to have for a single character.
@@kingleonidas2182Do you mod the game to prove that?
I do wish they would separate them a bit. Maybe a staggered release halfway through the season. But it's understandable from a hype perspective
As soon as you say that, CAPCOM dropped the Mai preview premiere on UA-cam.
The battle passes sell because if you finish it you get all your coins back which you can then use on the next battle pass and repeat the process. I've only paid for coins to use on battle pass once. All the ones after that I've just continued using the coins from the previous pass. Well, maybe 3 times, because there were a few passes that I couldn't finish because I was too busy IRL.
Wow thats facts.
I paused the video after the point made from 14:00-15:00 and watched the first couple mins of Majin Obama’s “Street Fighter 5 Players Have Rose-Tinted Glasses” and that really put things in perspective. I totally forgot about the pricing for the last set of costumes. That reality hurts so much :(
I blame Fortnite for most modern gaming criticisms
“This game sucks because there’s not enough content”
Can people not enjoy a game on its own?
I see where youre coming from and i agree, but for street fighter its cause 5 had like 30 costumes per character lol
@ yeah but that’s because(as said in the video) Capcom went on emergency mode and specifically ordered costumes because that was the only thing people were buying besides characters
Costumes practically financed SFV
I e never played Fortnite so I’m not sure how that’s related to me
And then there's the antithesis "wait, you want me to pay 5 dollars for the color blue?"
Everyone says they yearn for DLC content after having collective amnesia about shitting on Mortal Kombat for having _too much_ DLC content. Rest assured, there's probably 5-20 guys in Capcom HQ who would only produce costumes for Chun-Li out love of the game if they were allowed to but capitalism demands profit.
I refuse to believe those passes are making Capcom allot of money compared to character costumes. Unless we get numbers there’s just no way.
The character costumes are basically a one time purchase tho.
The battle pass stuff is limited time exclusives(of music, titles and vs screens too), that launches every month. It's designed to make money in comparison.
@@valeoncat13You only have to spend money once on the fighter pass though lol
As long as you grind you make back the 350 coins you spent towards it which can go towards the next fighter pass and rince and repeat.
It's not like Fortnite where there is FOMo incentive outside the battle pass to use said V bucks you earn back (you actually earn back more than you spent towards the BP in Fortnite) because the item shop actually has things people want.....while SF6's item shop..... doesn't....and even if it DID, the fighter pass has nothing to DO with the item shop.
And look at SF6's current item shop as we speak: is there anything in there worth buying? Hell no lol
Vs Fortnite's item shop which currently has:
John Wick
My Hero Academia
Avatar the Last Airbender
J Balvin (performing artist)
Lethal Company
Snoop Dogg
Guardians of the Galaxy
And various music artist jam tracks
Oh and overpriced Nike 👟 sneakers
So no they're not making money with it at least not as much as you think they are.
Same here! You make a one time purchase for 250 fight coins to exchange for the fighter pass and each month it's refunded to you in fc. That way, you can get the next fight pass for free. You can get the entire year and more of fight passes just for one payment.
How the heck are they making money out of it?!
And it probably cost significantly less to make. Add a track from a previous game? Should he simple. Design a brand new outfit and qa test it? Someones salary for weeks. If not months. @valeoncat13
@@OniAzul For starters, you have to be playing the game constantly to try and get your money back if one decided to earn FC through the passes. Not everyone has the time and patience to grind through these battlepass even with Objectives. Plus there's OTHER things to buy in the store than just costumes and just because you don't buy crap like emotes and stickers doesn't mean others didn't.
I’m gonna be real, I agree with pretty much everything said in the video but I wanna add to it. I think that people are going through games at an exponential rate. What might take someone a month to complete 10-15 years ago is now taking them about a week or less and I don’t think any developer in the world can ever match that outside of gigantic one like Epic with Fortnite
Attention spans are objectively getting shorter in general, so it makes sense that would also effect how people interact with games too.
10 - 15 years ago we didn't have these people called "streamers" who make it their job to complete your games or play your games for 40 hours a week. Which in turn, people can get bored of your games very quickly and Devs are pressured to constantly make content. You're highlighting a bigger issue that people aren't ready for that conversation yet which it should be discussed.
Yeah but if the content sucks why would I waste my time grinding through to get it.
That's SF6's problem: their content sucks.
I refused to grind through December's fighter pass as well as January's because nothing in it was worth the time to grind even if you still get your coins back in the end.
@@who4108 All of that was around 15 years ago you forget SF4 was already OUT at this point. Steaming was kicking off at this point.
What does that have to do with them releasing characters and costumes so slowly?
I personally never bought cosmetics in fighting games before so I have zero issues with "no content", isn't the point of fighting games just fighting non stop.
It's strange to me that people after complaining about microtransactions are actually asking to be monetised more.
True.
The game lacks the depth for this attitude
@@Senumunu No dood, the attitude should be: "say no to microtransactions whenever possible".
Why asked to get monetised more?
I mean... the seasonal release is kinda... torture. Like, I get why, but definitely a far cry from how its predecesor did it.. though to me, it's different. Just hear me out:
SFV was content heavy... to the point where that kind of saved it, given how HORRENDOUS initial reception was.
SF6 started strong, but... feels lacking DLC wise in comparison. But... outfits aside, the content we get is far more detailed. While more costumes would be nice to have... I guess it'd be better if it was like 2 to a character as opposed to just one per DLC drop.
I dunno... I'm just leery on fighters adopting a GAS format. Fighting Layer EX on Switch and even the essential release of DOA5FR on PS4 was like that for me
As Rooflemonger pointed out recently, it may have to do with the switch from Unreal to RE Engine. They can't outsource the costumers like they used to and their people who are trained in their engine have bigger priorities.
Oh, is that why they never gave Ashley and Ade their classic costumes in the RE4 remake?
So much for that game "not cutting anything from the original."
which is Monster Hunter
I highly doubt that has anything to do with it. Asset production is rarely, if ever, tied to the engine, unless you're talking about models that use a specific utility form the engine like a character creator, and SF is certainly using original models made outside of the RE Engine which are then imported in.
@@DarkOverlord96? No one in that game were given their OG designs. Even hunk’s design was redesigned.
So I don’t see why those 2 would be an exception
That makes 0 sense, the people making mods of all things are making banger costumes BECAUSE re engine is such a better engine to work with, what a bullshit excuse
Each new character needs a World Tour storyline and to fit into the world so I think 90% of the work being done right now is on developing the RPG side of the game so they can't support the main cast with costumes and the "freaks" are a simpler generic model to build stuff for.
None of this would be a problem if you could just dress the base roster in this stuff or otherwise allow characters to be forced to fit a base roster character onto a direct clone of said character, like Soul Calibur but more controlled.
We have all this neat stuff that we can't use anywhere. Can't have our custom characters be exactly like a base roster character because of moveset limits AND we can't even use these characters in lobbies at the BARE minimum.
What good is this Avatar content feed if Fighting Grounds exclusive players can't even USE it even if they have it already? I'd put Megaman's suit on Lily and have an Avatar Yor Forger as an alt Chun Li in a heartbeat, would buy the Ninja Turtle suits, all that if Capcom would simply LET ME USE IT.
@@EeleyeDD I couldn't turn on the "show no opponent cosmetics" option on fast enough if that was the case lol
@aledantih6524 and that's perfectly fine! The stages aren't the same across players when you play online, why would the costumes have to be?
It's still better than all this nothing I can do with my stuff as is.
@@EeleyeDD quantity for quantity sake is stupid, putting quickly made avatar stuff on the base characters would be the absolute worst move.
@@aledantih6524 it's ALREADY THERE and they're taking 8 years to do ANYTHING else. I'd rather that than the exactly jack shit we got now. Sides stuff like the Megaman, Monster Hunter and Ninja Turtles stuff already look like their SF5 costumes anyway so why not.
@EeleyeDD cuz SF5 looks ugly as fuck, I don't want that level of stuff coming back just because people need their slop cosmetics
Crazy bc me and my friend just picked this game up after debating which out of the big 3, the first thing we noticed was the lack of costumes and characters, I was genuinely surprised about the 18 character base roster, granted the characters are pretty cool so i guess it ain’t that bad
I think the lack of content is bad if you have put tons of time into the game like you're trying to be a professional since the start. Otherwise it's great to play every couple days, improve, grind some rank, battle hub, play some new character or whatever.
People say they dont want game as a service but also they want free stuff and support for years. Thats the gamers logic
as a fei long fan i’ll never be happy again.
come from me, Tekken’s Baek fans, yeah i know your pain too
I'll still never understand that one. Fucking hell.
And even before they erased him, I hated when they nerfed the hell out of him by removing the chicken 🐔 wing 🍗 kick in SSFIV/USFIV
He should've been there day one w t hawk not some weird girl lily smh
"Air Drive Impact!"
You take that back right now.
I do agree with the idea that just because content that is being put out doesn't appeal to other players doesn't mean the content is non existent because I'm one of the people who is more interested in playing Street Fighter 6 offline despite having some online matches but I do think that there is an imbalance of content that should be better such as having more Giant Attacks that provide new colors for the main cast so it is something for both offline players to engage with and something that gives an aesthetic impact to online play.
As someone who did QA on the Xbox Avatars for several years, I can only imagine how much of a headache it is developing content for SFVI.
You need to do concepts, get them approved, make them, and then go through an extensive QA process. With avatars in general, there are so many variables to account for (assets breaking under certain animations, overall quality being good enough for a variety of body shapes, etc). Rinse and repeat the QA process several times until the assets are good enough to sign off.
I can't imagine the in-house team handling this content is that big unless Capcom are heavily invested in it.
I think the lack of frequent balance adjustments, 4 characters a year, and no costumes for actual characters combined hurts the game and I'm sure Tekken 8 is gonna feel that too real soon
So I *am* the World Tour audience. It's a large part of why I bought the game and honestly? We're getting screwed. Capcom tripped at the finish line and the FGC doesn't realize how bad it is because they don't care about World Tour and don't realize how bad of an eff up it is. See, you can't DO anything with your World Tour character! You can't use them in Arcade Mode, you can't use them in offline VS, there's no "no levels" option, no way to fight them on any stage other than the Battle Hub, the characters do not transfer between systems, the Battle Passes are complete rip-offs, and the FOMO is completely nasty. Honestly Capcom's monetization towards the World Tour audience is a disgusting scam and it makes me not want to play the game.
At the same time, I think the character roster is awful and I am also disappointed at the lack of costumes too. I think SF6 is the best post-SF3 Street Fighter. I like it SO much more and 4 and especially 5 (I hate 5). But I think Capcom got everything ALMOST right and then screwed up at the end resulting in what I find to be a frustrating and miserable experience. I basically do not care about the game at all until Elena comes out.
yeah base roster was super bad tho its gotten a bit better but still
That mode was only made for the trailers
It was clear from the start that its shallow af
I find it hard to believe that its that hard to pump out costumes when modders are doing amazing jobs with the ones they pump out on a weekly basis.
Yeah but modders aren't salaried. They not only have the freedom to work on whatever they want for however long they want, they don't have to have it reviewed or approved or passed off to other team members.
A passion project done for free is simply not the same as a working on a game in studio.
@valeoncat13 Ok. So, about what Max was saying about the complexities of QA, like how to get these costumes working well in-game, how do new costumes take more than a year at this point to come out when the outfits on the avatars tend to perform well? Sure, we gotta consider the tournament scene and how even more crazy it is to make sure the new outfits work in this game. However, we got Outfit 3 for every character only a few months after the game came out, not to mention two new characters. We've had two major tournaments for this game afterwards and nothing went wrong. We keep getting shitty costumes for Avatars to suit a newer modern player base that I'm pretty sure SF6 has already lost most of a year ago. Yet, however, the modders, who are not on salary, are making money still by pumping out costumes for PC players to keep playing the game while console gamers lose out and are just inclined to drop this game for Tekken or Marvel Rivals.
@@arrhythmiticd8089 Pretty much QA is dragging ass because it allows them ot keep their jobs. Since the modders are doing what QA are doing since they're designs the costumes then most likely running it in game and during cutscenes over and over. If it takes this much "QA" to put Ryu in a clean white Gi with Capcom on the leg and CPT on the back they're failing at their job
@@arrhythmiticd8089your cherry picking. As someone who does mod it does take a lot longer to create these however, the scope of what the modern has to do vs the developer is a lot different.
John Cena outfit for example only has to work for dhalsim, but in sf6's case that John Cena outfit has to work for all hand/feet/body/head sizes because it has to also work in WT mode.
Also if you look at how long an individual takes to release another outfit it does take a bit (generally they release them in packs)
Also, a lot of the mods that are out now still cause issues meaning they aren't qa tested. Some don't but a lot of them do.
A modder has a lot more free time to work on something than a salary dev whether it's weekends or outside their normal time.
@Gamerznation704 Bruh, why are all of you hard-working people defending those who make more than twice the amount y'all make a year working on the games we love? Especially when they ask us to cough up $70-$100 for a game that offers much less than the previous titles (at least the stuff that we care about). If you're thinking, "well, what about World Tour and Battle Hub?" Then, I'll say to that "well, imagine if Virtua Fighter 6 added a racing mode, but the controls are clunky like Motor Kombat, full online multiplayer with only four tracks and eight characters and nothing else gets done to the game but new customizable items for just the vehicles?" Well, regardless, if y'all really like World Tour and Battle Hub and y'all play the game for that reason, then hey. However, for those who play the game for Ranked and Casual, especially on console, this amount of settling can only leave the people starving even more for new content to the point of leaving the game. Y'all are hurting the game at this point.
One thing I really hope they do is an actual update or DLC for world tour.
The potential for that mode is huge. And there’s more that could be done.
Whether in 6 or in 7, one thing that would be great is online co-op.
But the titan attack boss raid type thing they do for battle hub is a great idea and hope they eventually expand on it. One that would be great is ‘dojo battle’. Where you choose a team, and by winning matches and doing challenges, win points for you team, and if your team wins, you get more rewards.
Street Fighter 7 here we go
I would not mind buying avatar outfits like the Darkstalkers, Geese , tmnt etc if you could play them in other offline modes like vs, arcade mode etc but I have no need for those outfit if you can only play them in world or avatar battle.
If they can't do multiple skins a year, at least, do a character set for all the characters and do 1 skin for the character birthday. So that way, all characters get at 2 skins per year.
And I don't want to wait 10+ years for Cammy to have her killer bee outfit again.
Man, I remember just being happy unlocking alt colors on VF4. Am I old or are my expectations different?
No, you just have standards.
They keep releasing battlepasses that pay for themselves, you can easily grind it with the orders and WT subway grinding and get your money back. The biggest problem was the reaction to costume 3 when we (rightyl) got angry that to get all the costumes were over $100 so not many people bought them.
It tries to be Fortnite, but Fortnite reinvents itself every 6 months with content dumps.
Even Star wars Hunters can't do it
Marvel Rivals is p popular now tho
For now at least
Most devs don't have fortnite money though . That's why devs keeps getting it wrong
This kind of makes me wonder what Max would think of Granblue Rising's DLC content stuff. For instance, it has a Season Pass, currency for costumes/colours/etc stuff, and Battle Passes for a Premium Character costume each (along with other bits in them).
Is it weird Max u just unloaded this just when Capcom announced the Mai Gameplay trailer?
I've known about Mai since yesterday
As a huge fan of World Tour and Avatar, I'm not interested much in these frequently avatar cosmetic (as I only need bikini brief for my bodybuilder avatar lol :D), but I can understand people's frustration since costumes are 1 of the main contents of the game. Honestly I'd prefer they invest resources make new WT content like new cutscenes and missions, new stronger enemies. Make new cutscenes for the roster both in WT and FG, hell, let us allowed to change costumes in cutscenes just like SFV so they can even sell more, this would be amazingly approach. And man, make all base colors free, make more colors for all outfit like SFV or let us do custom color.
We went from nothing but alt colors in SF5 to begging for something like alt colors in SF6.
Rooflemonger made a really good point that all of the resources for RE Engine modelers is probably being prioritized on developing Monster Hunter Wilds, and that they'll probably launch the next costumes with Super SF6 since that'd be the next big refresh of the game
SFV - terrible launch, great post launch content
SF6 - great launch, terrible post launch content
"We want costumes for the main roster!"
Capcom: Who gives a shit?!
leave it to Max to be the voice of reason to all the people who are crying about NOT spending more money
What people thinking? Man you're crazy 😂
Spoken like a true CONSOOMER.
@@DarkOverlord96that doesn't sound right
...wouldn't a CONSOOMER be the one begging to consume more product?
what the hell is a CONSOOMER?
If you don't know, its you.
As someone who's played World Tour for more than 60 hours, long story short, it sucks. There are many many more single player games that do their job 1000 times better. When I got a bit burned out from Ranked I went to play some World Tour but it got boring fast and then I thought: "Why the hell am I playing this slop when I have GoW and RDR2?" I didn't think much about the avatar stuff but seeing as resources are going toward that and not more main cast costumes I absolutely despise it now.
I'd love to have an in-game excuse to play the game every day to do daily quests and stuff, but I just couldn't care less about the content in the battle pass. If they at the very least had some costumes for characters that were "low effort", like a default costume but with a small variation, or even just different colors in the battle pass I'd feel like grinding for them. But otherwise, seeing all that content for the avatar not only doesn't motivate me, but it kinda annoys me and that makes me wanna play the game even less.
Thank you Max, really, for being there for all of us, they dropped a Mai Trailer
You want it, You get it, You hate it. The FGC.
(as a MK fan, seeing the fanbase criticize NRS not supporting the game enough after 12 DLC characters in 18 months)
Yep.
Show me the part where we get it though
@@DSMTheEditor Thanks for this comment. As a MK1 fellow enjoyer ❤
Literally where are we getting it
Let's look at it this way. In less time since release (unless I am mistaken) Mortal Kombat 1 had more characters released, skins (or customizable costume pieces), and an entire story DLC.
I know Nether realm games don't really have a 10 year life cycle like other fighting titles, but still it's an impressive amount of content for the game. Even with SF5 it feels like we were getting way more regular updates and characters were releasing closer together per season. I guess if I cared about any of the DLC characters the wait wouldn't 've been this bad, but the only character that kinda makes me want to return to SF6 is Mai and not that much to be honest (love SNK games but she was never one of my go to choices).
This is such a weird point of contention for me. I mean, I love costumes and I think they're cool, but the community bitches so much about it that they act like SF6 is trash right now and will magically transform into the best game ever if Costume #4 is released. Like, I'll be excited when it happens, but it's not that big of a deal.
There is nothing wrong with wanting more stuff to dress your characters with
But if you actively NEED a paid cosmetic in order to enjoy a game, then maybe you never liked it that much in the first place
My thing is why not give us a costume color pack, something that’s easy to do and will make people feel like they’re at least getting something. How about an Evil Ryu, Violent Ken, Cyber Akuma etc. it’s a way to have extra characters w/o having to do massive amounts of work.
Idc I seen people make over 100 mod skins for sf6 when it was just in beta no clipping...
That right there, it is mind boggling. Hire those talented people to make the game better
Hire them Capcom let the devs put on these projects work on balancing or another game. Since the modders KNOW what they're doing CLEARLY
Honestly coming back to a game and not having it massively change is super nice
I love SF6 but i don't get that a lot of content is release to World Tour but almost nothing to online matches & main characters (costumes) stuff... go figure
I frankly hold the belief that the bar for fighting games has been heightened to a point that is nigh unreachable for a singular fighting game. I'm not trying to say the FGC is wrong for wanting more out of their games, but ask a FGC member what features they want most out of a new game and their answers could vary wildly. Rollback netcode, "traditional" vs. "new" playstyle (as in, resembling old Street Fighter or something like Guilty Gear Strive respectively), specific characters, offline/single-player modes, good story mode, e-sports potential, frequent content additions (as is the topic of the video), cool cosmetics, accessibility to new players, etc. Over time, the definition of 'bare minimum' for fighting games feels like it's getting more and more specific and demanding (I have not engaged with fighting games in a while, so this is just my impression as a spectator). And because you can't please everyone, different games will have different priorities as to which of these qualities they consider more important (SF 6 clearly prioritizing their more 'casual' audience), and those that they deem not as important equals thousands of players they lose/don't cater to, and as such, money they don't get. And for some reason, I find fighting game players are really quick to turn around on a game--I still don't get what exactly happened with DNF Duel (before the year-long DLC drought). And while some individual fighting games helped set this standard, that was mostly set by other types of games. Like Max said, games as a service have set a new standard for the industry that fighting games (in the way they have been designed since forever) are barely able to hold up to. Honestly, I'm waiting to see a big fighting game franchise try to go the Multiversus route and actually succeed, because I feel that that scenario could bring up a serious discussion of what do we want out of our games (and if we REALLY want fighting games to be more like games as a service).
I would love more character costumes not for the avatars but my gosh it’s a fighting game folks ain’t much else to do but fight. World Tour is interesting but the meat of the game is just well online play.
Costumes just take forever as indicated but I had no idea it took THIS much effort.
It definitely seems like capcom is taking their time and really making sure shit comes out right
Create a Soul is one of my favorite things of the Soulcalibur series but I would easily get rid of it for bringing back the extra modes from SC2 like the VS Team Battle.
Also everything was unlockable in SC2. I miss those times. Sadly they are long gone.
You play, you unlocked stuff for your efforts
I want skins for the original characters
I'll say this again, I wouldn't be so annoyed/tired of all this avatar slop if there was actually more things to DO with these avatars.
Let us save multiple avatars with movesets attached to them and let us use them in the Fighting Ground roster, like Soul Calibur!
“EFFECTIVELY” THIS IS A GOOD TAKE! 😂
Man I just can’t anymore with street fighter I actually went back to MK1 there not any better with the time that they drop dlcs but at least you get a character and a half 😂
In MK1 players get 4-5 premium skins each season + at least 1 free earnable skin, not to mention 6 characters instead of 4 in expansion pack. Some characters have 10 costumes while the outsiders have 4 costumes, which is more than SF6 has for all characters even though the game came out before MK1. And you can earn premium currency in game.
Even if the answer is they sell better, you can still do some costumes here and there. The fact that we havent gotten squat for dlc in so long and the characters have been so spread out, its actively hurting the game. They need to pop in a few costumes here and there between characters.
I dont think max really made a single argument that i would consider valid. We dont know that the battle passes are doing great for capcom, if they have not alot of people on dlc then thats a planning issue.
Can kind of flip that back on you. If you can claim max points arent valid because he doesnt know then yours is pretty much the same.
I think we're just in an era where costumes are expected. constant updates. things are moving at a rapid pace and no one understands what they want, so they're all upset.
Honestly as someone who into fighters in about 2021, I get extremely confused when people conflate costumes with "content" because that isn't a substantial change to how the game is interacted with or a wildly new experience, its just more transaction stuff, so it get annoying to hear people say that "where's the content?" when SF6 is arguably the most content rich SF game ever. Like World Tour on its own was a huge amount of content that helped get me even more hyped for the game alongside the actual game itself, and the fact Capcom is constantly updating it just makes it keep getting better and better.
I think that's the difference maker here. A lot of fans, if not most, that have been around for longer couldn't give an iota about world tour, or the create a character battle hub stuff so it just is a matter of what they like about the game feeling neglected for what they see as just side modes. If things were paced differently there wouldn't be this backlash, the core of the controversy really is just the lopsidedness of it all and lack of communication really. Just some of the larger FGC tends to be bad at conveying their thoughts in a way that doesn't sound like someone trying give a controversial Twitter take out loud lol
@@MagillanicaLouM I get what you're saying. I can't say that I inherently want less DLC characters per season pass because of World Tour and stuff, but I understand why it is that way, even without World Tour since they are making these characters as polished as possible. I can say that the break they have taken between both 2nd and 3rd DLC characters are kinda annoying and I wish that they paced out their releases better to have a 3 month wait for each character. So I get where people are coming from, but I think you are on the point that a lot of the wider FGC don't properly articulate the problems that do exist, because I feel like if people said "Why do we have these uneven wait times between content releases?" Vs. "THERE IS NO CONTENT!!!!", I would personally feel less annoyed by it lol
Cause world tour is a painfully average open world game, is it crazy to want content related to the actual characters
Costumes and other characters IS content since World Tour is ass i'm sorry since for one the created character isn't the same type as the WHOLE cast. So this weird out of place "human" is standing new to icons that standout. If they wanted WT to really hit they would have normalized the art style for created characters.
@@xtradressn2895 world tour is related to the characters the whole point of it is to meet them
World tour is really good in my opinion, semi open world, makes me feel good
Don't care, want characters, 4 a year is a joke.
I never understood this issue for fighting games.... I thought things like costumes where a small gift to players not that important i thought the actual content was fighting other players online.. how could you get mad at a battle pass or even say there is no content when you can learn all these different characters? You dont even have to interact with the micro transactions and still put over 100 hours into the game ?
Someone explain this shit to me im lost
The way I've seen it is they have gone for quality more than quantity as far as costumes. Juri's pj alt alone has probably made millions for Capcom 😝
100% exactly what I was thinking! You should have seen how many jaws dropped when Costume 3 was announced for the cast. Hahaha
KT tried to do that with DOA.
It killed the franchise as they got disconnected from the core market.
They eventually just bundled everything into 5LR… and 6 never got off the ground because it was rushed.
I think 2XKO will probably bomb.
Because the FGC market it just very different than FPS/Strategy market.
The main problem for me is the silence from Capcom. I don’t need to know WHY they are going in on Avatar content, if it’s making them a ton of money good for them. But they get hundreds of comments with every “content” announcement pleading for main roster centered content and it just seems to fall on deaf ears. All we need is a “we are working on costume 4, but it takes more time. Thank you for your patience.”
This is the main problem I have too. I really wish they'd just say its gonna take more time, you'd still get people crying but just something to basically say "they're coming out soon, shut the fuck up about them" would be amazing.
You hit the nail on the head there me personally idc about costumes but a heads up every now in then on future plans would be appreciated
Issue is communication is never enough from what ive seen. Devs communicate but then people foam at the mouth until they know every single daily detail on things that it just becomes better to just release stuff when its done. Its less headache. Imagine they released your statement to social media then the hell that ensues because people want an exact date.
I agree the hard-core audience that engages with go outside of itself would be satisfy with this but would still be making jokes about no content
Thanks Max, you made them drop the trailer and it was glorious. Can't wait for you to review it. In fact you should just do a reaction video now.
So in short: they regret setting up working on two different projects in one game.
I wonder what's been happening to Street Fight 6 and Max summed it up very well
I must me tripping because I REMEBER when SFV was out, EVERYONE was complaining about how there were TOO MANY COSTUMES (and they mainly went to Chun-Li!).
Fuck, back in my day we DIDN'T have extra costumes, just colors that came in the game and we were HAPPY.
It's wild to see how much y'all have been roped in by the very thing that's making gaming shit to begin with, microtransactions.
The FGC is held hostage by the idea of horse armour.
People like complaining to take their mind off losing, I swear.
Oh so your logic says that now we get ZERO costumes?
If your biggest issue with SFV was that it had "too many costumes" why not just dial it back a bit instead of having to wait A YEAR to give Chun-Li a THIRD costume?
It's OK to call out "Modern CapGOD", dude, you don't have to be a perpetual bootlicker.
Also, why do I get the feeling you're one of the people who complained about Capcom fighting games of the previous generation "lacking content"?
Yeah, I TOTALLY believe you're content with just having two palette swaps in a game you paid full price for.
Gotta pay for those colors in SF6 though. There's a reason a lot of people are tired of seeing default outfit P1 and P2 colors in match footage or at locals. Really hope they drop a Super version bundle/iteration so we can enjoy some visual variety again.
Honestly, I'd take more colors right now if I could. Half of them on each costume freakin' sucks.
What I don't understand about the battle passes is that I could be the target audience for these, but why would I buy them if I've done everything in World Tour? Just so I could sit in the battle hub?
Because they are banking on people’s vanity to show off to others
Like I said before, this is the price we pay for a more realistic art style as well as a higher commitment to quality. Content is just going to take longer to come out, for better or worse. That plus SF6 is made by the same division of Capcom as Monster Hunter, & MH Wilds is right around the corner.
Huh, didn't know they're from the same team. I'd be hoping that SF and fighter games in general could be their own team, but if they have to alternate between fighting games and Monster Hunter I get why SF-stuff slows to a crawl because Capcom is never NOT gonna be making Monster Hunter games.
Maybe when this business decision fails and people lose their jobs maybe the video game awards will make a sad commercial about it lol
Nah Max, SFV felt like a game as a service. SF6 BARELY feels like that. Other than the passes, the game doesn’t have a lot of live servicy elements. And I don’t want it to. I don’t want fighting games AT ALL to be live services. They don’t belong in the “Fortnite Genre”.
Yes people did complain about costume prices. They also would have sold a lot more of them if they were half the price which benefits everyone. They could release characters and costumes sooner but they don’t want to. They have different priorities than the people playing the game . Modders seem to have no issues making costumes
wish the raids were perma. I dont need rewards just to play
I also would like to add.....I play world tour/battle hub and do enjoy some of the cosmetics that comes within that, but I also everything in fighting ground as well. They need to keep it at 50/50.
The complaining on basically every video to do with SF6 has really soured me on the community and the game more than the lack of content. Can't watch a video or tourney without some airheads crying about costumes in the comments/chat. Like goddam these are the same people saying throw loops gives the game a bad image.
Exactly. This is the same dork ass shit we deal with in call of duty. Except everyone cries about optional DLCs and how broke they are...SF6 FGC community wants to give up their money and will whine like babies until they get their way...
Video gaming is so weird with the addition of social media
Remember Capcom wanted to go after the modding community which are basically doing what the people want for free. Instead of hiring them since they clearly know what they're doing. Thus cutting the development fat Capcom is acting like boomers once again and making the dev process lower than what it needs to be. They have main staffers on costumes when they should be on characters. Then Capcom is clearly split due to MonHun when that drops this is gonna happen AGAIN
I appreciate this nuanced response, I enjoy the avatar bullshit (sometimes) but I also would like more character costumes.