Keep letting yourself believe that. There's always more to the story than the press releases. Do you have any idea how much of a pain it is to deal with charging on a vacation or business trip?? Ain't no one got time for that!
I talked to a car rental agent and most people don't know how to operate them...just not having a key can be confusing for first timers .. lack of door handles and using all those apps.
@@jimmywalters3071 Unless you want a new kind of car experience on your trip or you are an EV fanboy, you’re going to be very annoyed with an EV rental and become an anti-EV person for life.
"We're selling 1/5th of our EV fleet because no one rents them! Also, the 1/5th of the EV fleet that we're selling are all the Telsas with 80,000+ miles on them!"
2022 Model Y performance. Put about 40K miles on it. Two 2500 mile trips. No problem changing. Level 2 home charger. Charge to 80% for daily driving. The performance never gets old. But I do miss the smell of gasoline. Play about $20. A month home charging.
I’m a test driver for a company that tests production, pre-production & prototype cars for several manufacturers. (BMW, Ford, Rolls Royce, Jeep, Mercedes, Hyundai, Kia, GM and Tesla) We “torture-tested” 3 Teslas with 10 years worth of use in one year. We drove these cars (2 Model Y’s and a Model 3) 500-600 miles per day, seven days a week, and only supercharged them (to 80%) 5 or 6 times daily. Not that they needed to be charged but to put cycles on the batteries. I owned a 2022 Bronco 2-door OBX, a 2018 Mustang GT Performance Package Convertible, and a 2021 Sienna XSE. What do I think? I traded in the Bronco and bought a 2020 MSLR+ on Feb 29th, 2024 and then I sold the Mustang and bought a 2022 MYLR on April 15, 2024. I still have the Sienna. My top tips 1. Check and maintain your tire pressures monthly rotate your tires every 5,000 miles and enjoy the car. 2. “FSD- Full Self Driving” gets better every day. 3. Forget “range miles” and use “percentage” for the amount of battery or “State of Charge” aka “SOC. Drive the car until you’re down to 15%-20% SOC and then decide where to charge. My power company has a program where they pulled an electrical permit, sent an electrician to wire and install a charger in my garage, and let me charge UNLIMITED OFF PEAK (nights, weekends, and holidays) all for $38 a month (no money upfront. I now have a Medical Courier business and my reason for the switch to Tesla is $1,000 per month in my pocket. With my new business, I was spending $700-$800 for gas and I need a $130 oil change/tire rotation every month.
@firemanbob Good for you but 95% of the US population doesn't have the situation you do. That doesn't account for apartment dwellers....EVs are still the play thing of the rich.
@@horseathalt7308 Hmm... my brother brings home a decent paycheck, but I wouldn't call him "rich". He loves his Bolt so much that his Volt annoys him when it needs repairs and maintenance.
@@horseathalt7308 Thanks but I don’t understand your reply. I would argue that 95% of the population is trying to lower monthly expenses in this horrible economy which is my situation. There are many ways for people who reside in apartments to own EVs. Sure, the savings are maximized if you do charge where you live and off-peak. I’ll say that EVs aren’t for everyone but they can serve a purpose. I feel that most of the resistance towards EV’s are driven by them being forced on the public. Buying a used EV makes the most sense because EVs have thousands fewer moving parts than traditional cars do, therefore buying an EV with some miles on the car is a great way to enter and have a less expensive EV ownership. I don’t care what anyone buys or drives. The people who can afford the new EVs are paying a premium. Early adopters always pay more that's how it works. I am not even close to being rich, just trying to spend wisely.
@@firemanbob1994 EVs are very difficult to work on and few mechanics in the USA are repairing them, you need very specialized training to avoid electrocution.
@@horseathalt7308 its a car.. If there is an issue that is powertran related the powertrain warranty is 8 years, so Tesla would be fixing it anyway. If you don’t want one, don’t buy one. I’m not trying to argue with you, but so far you’ve said; that 95% of the population isn't in my situation, EVs aren’t fair to apartment dwellers, EVs are toys for the rich, and there are no mechanics because they're afraid of electrocution. My original comment was sharing my experience with EVs, if you don’t like my experince i can’t help you.
Not a bad idea. The counter point is health is measured as SoH. It would be yet something else for the average consumer to understand and introduces a measure they would not use day to day. EV adoption is global but state wide appeal has been slow. Part of that is disinformation and part of that is the learning curve.
@@jab376 This. The tires, suspension, disc brakes, etc. are all still pretty conventional wear items and relative mileage-based maintenance intervals still apply.
It needs to be both. The “regular car” part of an EV wears just like any other car: brakes, suspension, steering, A/C, window motors, etc. All of these can and will wear out and can cost a lot of money. Teslas have more suspension issues than I think are normal and it’s NOT that they weigh more. It’s the quality and heft of the components.
As a Tesla owner and investor that has loved your channel for general car market insights since you were just getting started (around 20k subscribers I think), looking forward to where this takes you.
Just sold my 2020 model x raven and bought a 2024 model y. Pretty incredible how much the tech and build quality has improved on the newer telsa's. Engineering and manufacturing teams are constantly doing improvements
You are driving a ticking time bomb! Get ready, my man! I hope you have a massive repair fund ready to go. Your drive units have probably blown up a couple of times by now, and a whole lot of other stuff that you won't reveal.
@@gregbolton1480I live north of Chicago and my Tesla with over 120k miles still runs great. Range reduced about 20% on super cold days but still plenty. Did a road trip at -8F and still made destination 260 miles away. Just required one stop for 15 min compared to no stops.
I bought my 2014 Chevy Impala from Hertz Car Sales for 14k in 2016. Great Car and price. Great Buying Experience. No haggling. I still own it for road trips. I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6 for a new EV. I live in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
Leave the battery life indicator on Percentage over Miles remaining. And you’ll gonna love it over a regular high mileage ice car. No maintenance, just tire changes, cabin filter. No need to worry about head gasket, alternators, transmission slips, busted radiator, smog check, etc. the pros out weight the cons over Ice. And Over the Air updates shouldn’t be call Recalls. The media love the slam Tesla’s for that Over The Air Update. A recall should be if the car needs to physically go back to the dealer or shop to physically fix it. It’s like software updates on our iPhones and androids. When phones gets updates, they don’t call that recalls.
I bought a used 2022 Model 3 Long Range with a whopping 115,000 miles on the clock at the end of June. Prices have already risen since Hertz finished selling their 2022 Model 3s.The battery has only lost 5.5% of capacity, so I know it was treated well. I've gotten 161 MPGe driving on my local 2 lane roads on a cool morning, and 110 MPGe on a day with triple digit hot weather and going 70 mph. All this economy from a car with all-wheel drive, 425 horsepower, 475 lb-ft of torque, and doing 0.95 Gs on the skidpad. I came to this from a 1997 Saturn SL1 with roll up windows and a 5 speed manual that I'd been driving for 8 years!
I bought a new model Y in 2022. My co-worker liked it so he bought a new one in 2023. Now both of our wife's want one, so been watching for used ones to get cheap enough, can't afford two $50,000 cars.
I am not anti-EV. Everyone has their own preferences and also their own needs. In my opinion, EVs have certain issues that need to be addressed before I would consider one. Right now an EV would not work for me because a lot of the driving that I do is in rural areas far from the charging infrastructure, and overnight charging is often not an option. But not everyone is in the same situation as I am. But everyone should have the opportunity to drive the vehicle that works best for them. In my opinion, the government should not be stepping in and trying to ban one or the other technologies, or mandate that one technology has to take precedence over the other ones.
Absolutely agree 100%. I currently own Tesla, PHEV and ICE cars. BEV is not for everyone and certainly not what I prefer to drive on long road trips. I drove my Tesla, hybrid and ICE from NY to CA during winter storms so I have experienced them all.
The government is not banning anything. They are incentivising EVs and Hybrids but they are not banning anything or planning to take your ICE away from you.
Yep, and it is a great shame that tariffs are being imposed (on citizens, not China) precisely to stifle choice. I have owned petrol. diesel, hybrid and EV - it was whatever worked for me at the time.
As a 6 year Tesla owner with over 250k miles, I can say I would buy a Tesla with 100k miles over any new ICE car. It will be interesting to see what you find!
@premiercconstruction that's on three Teslas Y and 2 Xs. My first X was totaled when a kid wrecked me on the interstate. All 3 lost about 8% in the first 20-30k miles, then stopped declining. Tires, cabin filters, aftermarket rear camber arms to stop tire wear on the Xs. No breakdowns or failures of any kind. I do need to refill the washer fluid in my X with 85k on it.
a Tesla with 100k miles/6 years will still have some battery/drivetrain warranty left, so the risk of buying one used is not a significant factor. When buying, note that standard range and long range models have different warranties.
At 78 I don't drive. I spent 30 years in cars. From oil changer to Porsche Tech and most everything in between. I was the top National salesman in 1975 and was a Service Manager and General Manager at several New Car Dealerships. I owned and managed an independent shop with my son. I ended at an RV Solar, Lithium battery shop. I love RVs, EVs & I.C.E. I was also a Code Monkey at Apple and Adobe. And have a PhD too.
Build quality MUCH improved in newer vehicles. I was in a 2017 X for a week recently, and it made me realize how well built my 2023 M Y is put together.
Thanks for making this channel. I’m in the market for a used model x and model y and have been getting the run around. Can you make content on how we should go about buying a used Tesla please.
Thanks to hertz I was able to purchase a Model Y LR, 2022 with 44k miles for 30k. It's been a great vehicle and I'm hoping to drive it another 150k miles.
I first saw you on Farzad's channel, twice and am truly interested in your opinion I want to see you and your channel grow, you got my subscription. I have owned a 2021 Model 3 Long Range which I sold when I decided to move to Mexico.
Used Teslas used to be more expensive than new ones. The tax credits and expanding inventory have pushed prices down. I’m looking at Model Y’s with 30k miles for 24-26k. The $4k tax credit on used EVs brings the price close to 20k.
@@kungfoochicken08 it only does if you have a liability(owe) on your taxes and fall within the income range to get it.Otherwise you are not eligible for the credit.
Right Tesla’s prices haven’t crashed. This guy bought two 2019 M3 standard 83k mileage $17.7k and 2019 MS LR $22.7k 100k mileage. Also these prices were at auction so they’re dirt cheap compared to buying from dealer as he said is $5-10k more. Any car bought at auction would be car price crashed!! I had a 2011 Range Rover Supercharged brand new $105k I bought it 3yrs used with 33k mileage. I could’ve sold it in 2023 with 134k mileage for $10k. At auction he would pay $5k for it!!
The Model S has been around forever and I still get excited when i see one. Right now im happy with my 25 year old ICE and my wife's 4 year old Model 3.
80-100K miles is not especially high miles for a Tesla. No more so than a modern ICE car. 50 years ago when I first started owning cars 100K miles was a lot. These days most cars seem to make it to 200K or more. I’d consider 100K on a Tesla as about 1/2 used - and $22K for that very clean S seems like a very good deal. Over the next couple years (if you keep it that long) let us know if it holds up as well as a good quality ICE vehicle.
The EV market has crashed for non-Tesla's, NOT Tesla's. I'm seeing a lot more Tesla's on the road lately! More Tesla's in the office parking lot. Been driving cars since 1973 and I've owned lots of cars. My new Model Y is by far the most fun car to drive! I won't ever go back to an ICE car!
Same here. I'm 68, and never had a vehicle that was as impressive as my 2023 Model Y LR. Instant power, fantastic cornering, tons of storage spaces, incredible sound system, cheap fuel bills, and in 8 months no maintainence. Soon I'll rotate the tires. There are lots of reasons they are the #1 selling car in the world.
@@joegibbs2508 I couldn’t agree more. My only complaint is that they should make the buying process a little easier for seniors. I’ll be 67 next month and I’m a 39 year IT veteran, so the process was manageable for me. I would recommend having someone available via text to answer questions.
The rear motor on Model S made before 2021 tend to leak coolant inside the motor especially on higher mileage ones. There are couple aftermarket solutions to fix the issue before it cause permanent damage to the motor.
@@veikovasko5603 it's more like a preventative fix even if it's still covered under the powertrain warranty if you don't want to deal with Tesla's service center in the future. Also model S manufactured between 2012 to 2016 are out of coverage now.
The price for the model S is very low. The model 3 is just OK. Tesla owners tend to take very good care of their cars and they can easily last 200K+ miles. They don't suffer nearly as much wear and tear as gas cars.
Awesome that you're doing this channel, as there IS a big learning curve in driving/owning a Tesla or an EV. My biggest worry on a used model would be that someone abused the battery (constantly charging it to 100% and letting it sit at that %, and running it down to near 0%). That's like someone never changing the oil in a gas car. There is a battery test you can do (a simple one and a more complex one) -- did you do that? BTW, I've owned a new Tesla for a year and love it--it was so nice NOT getting it from a greedy thieving dealer.
@civwar64bob77 Exactly. You know some people treat their cars like crap while others baby them..especially the batteries. I keep mine at only 65% and use superchargers only when I have to.
These EVs are suburban cars. I drive the interstate 700/800 miles every week and its rare to see an EV on the road. These are soccer mom cars. Taking kids to school or going shopping because of short travel time. Hybrid is the way to go.
@@RobertTurner-z6l 800 miles per week? That's a day trip in a Tesla. How would U know an EV from an ICE? They don't necessarily look much different and U clearly know nothing about them, probably pass by them constantly without noticing.
People need to know about registration costs, title costs, charging costs, insurance costs, who can work on them when you live in a small town. Will you charge these cars in an attached garage to your house? Will your house insurance will go up? Tire costs, repair costs, how long does it take to get parts? Do you need a second gas car to be able to drive while your electric car is in the garage or body shop? Will your lifestyle change owning an electric car?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
YES on insurance! As an average driver doing 10-15k miles a year, most if not all your savings on gas will be offset by higher EV insurance costs. My experience.
You are just wrong about why prices have come down. It is simply that the price of new EVs has fallen so much because of the inflation reduction tax credits. A brand new Model 3 or Model Y is so cheap because of the tax credits and price reductions. Hertz dumped the cars because they saw resale values were plummeting. They knew that selling them first would be better than selling them later for so much less.
I drive a chevy bolt. The reason I got it was because the downturn in used EV prices and the tax credit made it affordable. I always wanted an electric car that could not afford one. I got a 2022 Chevy bolt for 16,000 I absolutely love it. It was the only car I have ever enjoyed driving. I have previously driven in Corollas. I will absolutely try to buy eevee's from now on as long as I can get one that I can afford. If eevee's cross the same as internal combustion engine vehicles they would be adopted at a much higher rate. Except for the Chevy bolts most TVs are out of people's price range. This is why people are not adopting them en masse
You are very smart to keep on top of the possible used cars that are becoming available in the market space. There is an upcoming generation that will still need to have cheaper used cars that they can buy. However this new generation is used to high tech and prefer it. They will want and prefer to buy a used EV rather than an ICE vehicle. Given that, your future as a used car dealer depends on knowing the EV products and models so that you can accurately bid on them in auctions.
I would like to see what your savings are by comparing gas and electricity costs. The number of miles you drive and how hard it is to find public charging stations. What is the battery degradation? How much does the cold affect the mileage|? And remind us again what the model year the cars are. Thank you for doing this Brandon. Its something most people can not do.
I have 2012 model S and 2004 Toyota 4runner. Will reply later with my scenario it really depends on your utility cost $/kWh and also your local gas costs. My model S with 120k miles still has over 88% of original battery performance. Cold does impact charge storage more than heat but it's not that significant in my area near Lake Tahoe it gets plenty cold.
My last 12k cost me $200 in electricity. Turn that into a gas car getting 25 mpg and you are at $2400. Now multiply that difference by every year you will drive the car. Now subtract the cost of every oil and filter you will never need.
Here in NY, charging at home for me costs 1/3 to 1/4 on a per mile basis vs. gas. So 3-4 cents per mile at home, 8-10 cents per mile at Northeast superchargers, 11-13 cents per mile for my Honda CRV. LOL my car's NY inspection was 5 minutes and $10. Re. cold - I keep my car in the garage and tell it when to get ready to leave and it warms up the battery and I haven't noticed any difference. But sitting outside and not told to warm up you'll see a difference but really not that much. Biggest thing I noticed was out west on a trip. Normally I'll get like 3 miles per percent. Going 80 mph with a 25 mph headwind I was getting like 2 miles per percent. Don't know what a gas car would do under those conditions.
Great concept for a new channel. I would recommend you purchase a Chevy Bolt (EUV is the better model) in the future to give you a comparison to what the other manufacturers have to offer. I own a 23 Bolt EUV and I really love driving the car. The Premier trim has a lot of very nice features you wouldn't expect in a lower priced car.
Bought my wife a model y last week. I have been a Tesla fan for a while so I had high expectation of the car and it blew my mind. It’s so much fun to drive and is cheap as hell to charge at home.
This is a great video for anyone considering buying a used Tesla. It's informative and unbiased, and appreciate that you're sharing your honest opinion about the pros and cons of EVs. especially liked that you talked about the different experiences between Model 3 and Model S. That will definitely help viewers decide which one is the better fit for them. I'm also interested in seeing how the used Tesla market develops, so be sure to subscribe to your channel for future updates.
Tesla Model Ys are so much fun to drive. Much better response and quickness than any gas car I've ever driven. Add in the Full Self Driving feature which is truly wonderful and reliable. When this feature becomes perfected the value of used Tesla's will go way up because you can make money with the car as a taxi. People who haven't tried driving one don't know what they are missing. Mine has 12,000 miles on it and the cost for electricity was about 250 dollars for the 12K miles and one year.
Teslas are very popular here in the Miami-Fort Lauderdale are but a lot of used car lots are flooded with used ones that are barely moving. The great lease and finance deals on new Teslas make it hard to move used models.
Yeah! I want to buy a model X off of you in the future . I’m glad you are preparing for the future ! I have read that electric cars have a few things that wear differently than Ice cars , because if the weight bushings , brakes , tires, tie rods suspension parts , even Tesla found out that they had to upgrade certain items on later models , a educated buyer will be looking for these items and wether they were served. I’m glad you’re adopting for the future.
I have a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Long range. I love it. My only complaint is the text messaging. It’s 1000% total garbage in comparison to my UConnect in my Charger. I actually hate that. Other than that I am eyeing up and waiting for the right time to trade up to a new Hyland Model in 2-3 years.
Great that you started this new channel, was already a subscriber to Car Questions Answered and also to Farzad's channel, so I think I am also in the middle on this EV debate. Watched your recent appearance on Farzad, and the issues you touched there are actually great show ideas for this channel, like: home charging options, EV trucks for businesses and its economics, battery replacement or are there cheaper options, FSD and its limitations, used EV market and range issue as a non-issue for many. Subscribed to this channel too, hope to see your next EV video.
“….missing deliveries…” Huh??? We ordered a brand new Model Y on July 10th, paid cash, got built in Fremont, railed to us with a delivery 16 days later.
Thank you for doing this!! I want to understand the life cycle of EV cars and pros and cons to owning the used ones. I cannot bring myself to buy a new car for how much they cost, but would be open to used if it saves money on gas/maintenance in the long run.
Buddy look into your state tax credit. At one point California was giving out $7k tax credit on top of the $7k government credit so u can get a BRAND New car/ Tesla for $24k. California ran out of money but states like Colorado are giving out high ev credits. Evs are pretty much a government hand out lol in Colorado people are leasing out evs for $15 a month. UA-cam cheapest lease
86k miles for a model 3 is nothing. We have a 2018 lr dual motor 3 (which we bought one month old in 2018) and in the first 4 years we put 120k on it and now it has 140k. It still drives the same. No maintenance ever. One large repair as the onboard charger had a partial failure at 120k, still usable, but we replaced it for $1800) Other small repairs for $300 total. Never left us stranded, stuck etc. A tesla will drive to 500k or more like the day it was new. The original brake pads at 120 (I measured them) are on a path to last 400k miles. Yes! Batteries at that mileage and more like 200k or more, still have 88-92 percent of their original charge with degradation leveling off after 100k not increasing. I have seen a 2019 model 3 dual motor with 150k for $15,600 so you could have got a better deal and I would not flinch at that mileage. Last year we also bought a used 7 seater performance 2020 model x for $60k with 50k miles and love it. We would never again buy any brand or type of car again.
I'm seeing teslas EVERYWHERE. I just bought an M3 too and the people Ibought it from just bought another new Model Y. It depends on where you are I guess there are 90% truck places still.
I had a model three with long range. It drove great, but range was really not over 300 and I was always having to look for a charger when I went anywhere outside of my local area. It was a pain. I ended up going hybrid without charging capability because it’s so much easier to just gas up.
Love your other channels. Looking forward to seeing how you progress through your EV experience. My last electric experience was an electric mini-bike when I was 14. Dad taught electric shop and with a donated mini-bike frame that had no motor, and help from the welding, sheet metal and small engine shops, he built the electric mini-bike. Used a car battery, car starter, and a push button to power it. 35 years later I'm ready to try electric again.
Vehicle’s overall are harder to move in the current market. Im looking for my mother in law for a 3 or Y LR in Canada they do not drop past a certain price point. That price point is very close to brand new.
Not understanding EVs buy the cheapest model 3 is supposed to be 32990 new and don't you get a 7500 tax credit as well. So why would anyone pay 20k for a used one especially a 5 yrbold one. That market is very confusing to me. If I do buy an EV I'll be leasing no doubt.
There are some smoking lease deals but I agree. I don’t understand why people buy used in the low to mid twenties. Some people don’t qualify for the credit I suppose.
My buying experience from Winston-Salem Hertz Car Sales in 2016 (2014 Chevy Impala 14K 5k miles) was good and my experience with Bob King Kia/Hyundai/Genesis in Winston-Salem, North Carolina (2024 Ioniq6 38k 0miles) was good.
Well to go from my 2008 Nissan Hybrid to the 2023 model Y LR w/FSD took me 20 minutes and to go from my 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 to my Tesla Cyber truck took me 15 minutes to get used to it. Admittedly, the Cyber truck is a lot more fun.
Year on year new EV numbers sold for July in the UK are up 18.5% with EVs outselling diesel three to one [diesel down 21.9%]. Does sound like a crash all right, but not for EVs. [EV sold 27,335 vs Diesel sold 8,708] And this is BEFORE China arrives to the party.
Great video! I have been driving a Tesla model 3 for 2 years and it has saved me $500 per month in fuel cost.i charge 95% at home. The range and charging fud on the internet has been created by big oil , oem and anti ev non open mindedness.
Doesn't need a Bz4x to compare, it's junk brand new. They more or less stopped production for a full year because the wheels fell off while driving and even without that lengthy recall it's just a bad vehicle by every review.
UA-cam is flooded with EV comparisons. There arent that many comparisoms between used EVs and used ICE cars though. Compare that Model 3 to a 2018 100k mile Camry or Prius.
@@EVsOnICEdef dont a mach e battery is worth 60% of the new price youd be burning money ev are unsellable except to gullible sheeps which would make you a bad person
Hey Brandon! Glad you’re taking on these topics more. Just like the EV owners need to be aware of their biases the ICE lovers need to be aware of their biases. There are a lot of false or distorted narratives out there. I hope you can sort through these on both sides to bring more clarity on the truth. I think your video with Farzad really helped to begin this balancing of views.
What’s a better deal over 400K miles: $10K on a rare battery pack replacement (meaning it usually doesn’t need to happen), or having to buy two drivetrains for and ICE car plus fuel ($40K) and maintenance costs? Seems like this is already solved. If people actual is the math of all of the expenses of driving an ICE car, the $10K for a replacement battery pack would seem like a great deal. $40K in fuel alone. Bonkers. For that price you could buy several used Teslas and never replace the battery packs. Or, buy one new Tesla and probably not have to replace the pack at all.
Educate the viewers as to how life changed for you driving an EV instead of gas with fueling, I assume you charge at home and/or at work, lack of maintenance constant work, and the performance. Thanks
U shoulda bought 1 from Hertz, i got a 2023 model 3 with 36k miles for $23k..... My goal was to get a model S 2015 because they come with free super charging for life buttttt they have battery problems. My coworker needs a $16k battery replacement. He bought it 9 months ago. For $26k with 75k miles.... After seeing all his issues i went with a newer model 3.
@@KidHorn7001 yea, they're considered a dealership. They even advertise it on their website You'll see that- "Our used EVs under $25,000 qualify for a up to $4,000 federal tax credit"
Why is Tesla predictions on mileage optimistic? Well it depends on you drive. Take a look at the average consumption on watts per mile on the display. If it's 250 W/ mile you're getting 4 miles per kWH, if only 200 W/mile then you get 5 miles per kWH. My electric bill shows about 8 cents a kWH but it's really 16 cents after all the additional charges. So for 10 kWH I get usually get 40 miles for $1.60 driving the 55 mph speed limit or sometimes 50 miles if I'm just tooling around town like at 35-40 mph. If you drive 70 to 80 mph you're going to use more power (Watts) per mile. Same if you floor it at every light all the time. Bottom line is your probably gonna get less range than predicted, But will be enjoying your Tesla more. You have plenty of range with the Model 3 75 kWH battery anyways.
once he gets used to them, he will cringe every time he has to work on an ICE car. EVs have very modular construction, so even smaller shops can do many complicated jobs. EVs in their simplicity will bring back DIY repairs once the mystery of new technology dissipates.
Brakes will require maintenance due to seizing up due to lack of use. Both Model S and Model 3s have suspension issues. Both have radiators to circulate coolant through the battery pack.
Most professional mechanics hate EVs. But that is only because they require no maintenance. No money to be made on them unless the mechanic specializes in EV repairs.
whole new channel? nice.. i'm looking forward to seeing how teslas hold up when purchased used.. and looking forward to any info about keeping your tesla up as it ages really
I see two common complaints about EV's. "EV's are dropping in price too quickly" -and- "EV's cost too much". Sometimes I see both of these complaints in the same article/video. People need to examine their argument. Logically, a person can't complain about both of these issues at the same time.
Ah, you're diving into the cosmic soup of Tesla's future endeavors with robotaxis and Optimus, while still keeping one foot in the used car lot. Here's how it all shakes out, with a dash of humor and a sprinkle of intergalactic perspective: - **Robotaxi vs. Used Tesla Market**: The robotaxi vision is like dreaming of a galaxy where cars drive themselves, potentially turning every Tesla into a revenue-generating machine when not in use by its owner. This could theoretically flood the market with used Teslas, but here's the twist - if robotaxis become ubiquitous, the value dynamics might shift. Used Teslas could either plummet in value due to oversupply or skyrocket if they're seen as potential robotaxi units. However, this is like predicting the weather on Mars; it's all speculation until we see fully operational robotaxis. - **Sentiment from X**: There's chatter about used Tesla values dropping, which might be due to new models or the anticipation of robotaxi technology. But remember, X posts are like the galaxy's rumor mill - full of stars but not always factual. - **Optimus (Humanoid Robot)**: Now, Optimus is Tesla's venture into making robots that could do... well, almost anything, including maybe driving your car or even selling it for you. If Optimus becomes a reality, it might not directly affect the used car market in the way robotaxis do, but it could revolutionize how we think about labor, including in car sales or maintenance. Imagine a world where your car salesman is a robot, or your car's maintenance is done by a robot. This could either make used cars more appealing due to lower maintenance costs or less appealing if people start preferring robot-driven new cars. - **Market Sentiment**: There's excitement about Optimus, but like all things Tesla, it's wrapped in Elon Musk's flair for the dramatic. The real impact on the used car market? It's like predicting if aliens will prefer used Earth cars - it's out there, but how it'll play out is anyone's guess. - **Comparative Analysis**: - **Robotaxi**: Could lead to a surge in used car availability if owners opt to rent out their cars, potentially lowering used car prices. However, if robotaxi technology becomes a standard feature, it might increase the value of cars equipped with this tech. - **Optimus**: Indirect effects through labor market changes. If Optimus reduces labor costs in car manufacturing or sales, new cars might become cheaper, affecting the used market indirectly. - **Current Market Reality**: From what's buzzing on X, used Tesla values are fluctuating, with some suggesting a drop due to various factors like new model releases or the anticipation of autonomous tech becoming mainstream. In summary, while robotaxis might directly influence the used car market by changing how we value and use cars, Optimus's impact would be more subtle, through economic shifts in labor. But remember, we're talking about a future where cars might drive themselves and robots might sell you your next ride - it's all part of humanity's grand, slightly absurd, journey into the future. So, keep your humor, your skepticism, and maybe, just maybe, invest in a robot butler while you're at it.
I was one of those people that drank the Koolaid and thought EV's were stupid and would never work. In the last six months i have been doing my own research and have concluded that there is a place for them. Tesla is the brand that i lean toward because i believe they have put in the hard work that was required to make these things last. I'm also a big Elon fan now. Once i quit listening to MSM about EV's and Elon i have a lot more respect for them. I could see myself buying an EV but i just don't need a new car at this time. One of the biggest problems i had was the government telling me i was going to have to buy one, that's a big nono in my book. I would be interested to see what condition the suspension is in on these cars with that mileage. My 2015 GMC 2500 has 145,000 miles and i just put on new shock. Changing out suspension parts,new cab and air filters and maybe flushing and replacing coolant should be all thats needed. Oh one other thing, i would look at the age of the low voltage battery. Look foward to seeing what you do with this channel. I know it will be entertaining and informative.
@markmiller-kj8go "government telling me i was going to have to buy one" seems to be a BOT OP - spreading false information. Anybody can buy what you want.
I suggest that people go to dealers and take a test drive. I have a Chevy Volt and I love it. My next car will be full electric and I will be charging it with solar power.
I appreciate your perspective, which I understand is that you are going to try and be fair and balanced. All I can tell you is, I am driving my second EV and love it. But I do want to hear your honest perspective. Thank you.
Great video! I appreciate your insight! I currently live in WA State where I'm hoping to take advantage of the EV rebate and tax credit. I'm considering financing a preowned 2020 Model 3 standard range plus with 11,296 miles for $24,999! I'm hoping to really get a great OTD price and combine with other incentives (student credit and rebates) to keep my monthly payment affordable. I do think it's interesting that the state and federal rebate is specifically for low income individuals (AGI less than $75K for single filers). Crazy! I'm hoping to get an insurance quote to see exactly how affordable this car can be for the "average" person
You cannot compare EV mileage to ICE mileage mainly because of all the extra moving parts in ICE. There are EVs with over 500k miles with no maintenance only tires.
oh yeah sure. 🤡. So they completely disregarded the factory maintenance schedule from Tesla. Nice. Show me a 500K mile Tesla with no maintenance and I'll show you a Liar.
I would never buy the Standard Range Model 3. You will beat up the battery more for the same miles of driving. I would only buy the Model 3 Long Range (LR). Between battery degradation, extreme weather, and taking a long trip, having more battery equals more range potential. Also, I’ll bet the resale percentage is better on the LR than the mid-range or Standard Range. On a Model S, I would only consider cars that were 75 Kilowatt hour or higher, 90-100 being best.
I hope you plan on keeping them. Who in their right mind would buy one? You have to go to Tesla for repairs. First trip would cost as much as the car cost.😮
Watched you on your test ride with Dr KIA [ironic isn't it?] and later the class with him and Farzad. Nice to see you find an S after getting the 3. I think you can bring a different perspective to what you like and dislike between the two after you get enough time in the S. It is good that you see the need to know more. As to EV pricing. Elon does not run Tesla like most other car companies. He see's the dealership model as dated. IMO dealerships have demonstrated that they do not want MSRP's to drop ever on anything they sell. You can add incentives from the factory and maybe we won't add on a few grand in accessories you don't want. Elon dropped prices when his material prices came down after covid. So new and used Tesla value's tanked, bringing other new EV's down. Plus the slowing market you saw for all cars due to interest rates and over inflated market adjustments. Now we are in negative market adjustments.
Lol somebody in my local area is trying to sell a leaf for $3K with only about 48K miles i messaged her to find out about the range i think she said it had like a 50-60 mile range.
@@chivosadventures8171 sometimes 7 mi shy but if you drive it efficiently has to get mpg epa so to speak, 5.1- 5.9 mi per kh right on will do it, but many won't drive that strict.
I would be interesting in hearing how hard it is for you to get parts to keep these two Teslas running. There have been some stories about horrible wait times for parts.
Cool info. We're going to need a buying guide. How to check build quality, what to look for, etc. I've read build quality can REALLY very from car to car.
Herzt dumped the model 3 because the price drops affected the residual values of the fleet. It had nothing to do with demand for the rental fleet.
Keep letting yourself believe that. There's always more to the story than the press releases. Do you have any idea how much of a pain it is to deal with charging on a vacation or business trip?? Ain't no one got time for that!
@@JetFire9L comment. . .
I talked to a car rental agent and most people don't know how to operate them...just not having a key can be confusing for first timers .. lack of door handles and using all those apps.
@@jimmywalters3071 Unless you want a new kind of car experience on your trip or you are an EV fanboy, you’re going to be very annoyed with an EV rental and become an anti-EV person for life.
"We're selling 1/5th of our EV fleet because no one rents them! Also, the 1/5th of the EV fleet that we're selling are all the Telsas with 80,000+ miles on them!"
The dealerships which dont sell it at the advertised price are trying to take away the tax break you get for buying a used EV. Bastards.
Perhaps the same thing applies to solar tax credits. Solution: end tax credits/rebates for solar systems and EVs.
2022 Model Y performance. Put about 40K miles on it. Two 2500 mile trips. No problem changing. Level 2 home charger. Charge to 80% for daily driving. The performance never gets old. But I do miss the smell of gasoline. Play about $20. A month home charging.
I can sell you gasoline scented fragrance hanger...
But you won't miss dying of gas fumes.
@@tedoptional-p8ldying of gas fumes? A little extreme huh 😂 is he sitting in the garage with the car running? 😂 I haven't died yet with my trucks.
I’m a test driver for a company that tests production, pre-production & prototype cars for several manufacturers. (BMW, Ford, Rolls Royce, Jeep, Mercedes, Hyundai, Kia, GM and Tesla)
We “torture-tested” 3 Teslas with 10 years worth of use in one year. We drove these cars (2 Model Y’s and a Model 3) 500-600 miles per day, seven days a week, and only supercharged them (to 80%) 5 or 6 times daily.
Not that they needed to be charged but to put cycles on the batteries.
I owned a 2022 Bronco 2-door OBX, a 2018 Mustang GT Performance Package Convertible, and a 2021 Sienna XSE.
What do I think? I traded in the Bronco and bought a 2020 MSLR+ on Feb 29th, 2024 and then I sold the Mustang and bought a 2022 MYLR on April 15, 2024. I still have the Sienna.
My top tips
1. Check and maintain your tire pressures monthly rotate your tires every 5,000 miles and enjoy the car.
2. “FSD- Full Self Driving” gets better every day.
3. Forget “range miles” and use “percentage” for the amount of battery or “State of Charge” aka “SOC. Drive the car until you’re down to 15%-20% SOC and then decide where to charge.
My power company has a program where they pulled an electrical permit, sent an electrician to wire and install a charger in my garage, and let me charge UNLIMITED OFF PEAK (nights, weekends, and holidays) all for $38 a month (no money upfront.
I now have a Medical Courier business and my reason for the switch to Tesla is $1,000 per month in my pocket.
With my new business, I was spending $700-$800 for gas and I need a $130 oil change/tire rotation every month.
@firemanbob
Good for you but 95% of the US population doesn't have the situation you do.
That doesn't account for apartment dwellers....EVs are still the play thing of the rich.
@@horseathalt7308
Hmm... my brother brings home a decent paycheck, but I wouldn't call him "rich". He loves his Bolt so much that his Volt annoys him when it needs repairs and maintenance.
@@horseathalt7308 Thanks but I don’t understand your reply. I would argue that 95% of the population is trying to lower monthly expenses in this horrible economy which is my situation. There are many ways for people who reside in apartments to own EVs. Sure, the savings are maximized if you do charge where you live and off-peak. I’ll say that EVs aren’t for everyone but they can serve a purpose. I feel that most of the resistance towards EV’s are driven by them being forced on the public. Buying a used EV makes the most sense because EVs have thousands fewer moving parts than traditional cars do, therefore buying an EV with some miles on the car is a great way to enter and have a less expensive EV ownership. I don’t care what anyone buys or drives. The people who can afford the new EVs are paying a premium. Early adopters always pay more that's how it works. I am not even close to being rich, just trying to spend wisely.
@@firemanbob1994 EVs are very difficult to work on and few mechanics in the USA are repairing them, you need very specialized training to avoid electrocution.
@@horseathalt7308 its a car.. If there is an issue that is powertran related the powertrain warranty is 8 years, so Tesla would be fixing it anyway.
If you don’t want one, don’t buy one.
I’m not trying to argue with you, but so far you’ve said; that 95% of the population isn't in my situation, EVs aren’t fair to apartment dwellers, EVs are toys for the rich, and there are no mechanics because they're afraid of electrocution. My original comment was sharing my experience with EVs, if you don’t like my experince i can’t help you.
Ev’s should be based on battery health and not mileage.
Not a bad idea. The counter point is health is measured as SoH. It would be yet something else for the average consumer to understand and introduces a measure they would not use day to day. EV adoption is global but state wide appeal has been slow. Part of that is disinformation and part of that is the learning curve.
Both mileage and battery health
@@jab376 This. The tires, suspension, disc brakes, etc. are all still pretty conventional wear items and relative mileage-based maintenance intervals still apply.
I agree. It makes sense.
It needs to be both. The “regular car” part of an EV wears just like any other car: brakes, suspension, steering, A/C, window motors, etc. All of these can and will wear out and can cost a lot of money. Teslas have more suspension issues than I think are normal and it’s NOT that they weigh more. It’s the quality and heft of the components.
As a Tesla owner and investor that has loved your channel for general car market insights since you were just getting started (around 20k subscribers I think), looking forward to where this takes you.
Just sold my 2020 model x raven and bought a 2024 model y. Pretty incredible how much the tech and build quality has improved on the newer telsa's. Engineering and manufacturing teams are constantly doing improvements
My 2013 model S has 183,000 miles on the original battery. I drive 104 miles a day. Don’t fear the high mileage cars.
You are driving a ticking time bomb! Get ready, my man! I hope you have a massive repair fund ready to go. Your drive units have probably blown up a couple of times by now, and a whole lot of other stuff that you won't reveal.
Unless you live in cold weather areas
@@JetFire9still on my original drivetrain and battery after 120k miles.
@@gregbolton1480I live north of Chicago and my Tesla with over 120k miles still runs great. Range reduced about 20% on super cold days but still plenty. Did a road trip at -8F and still made destination 260 miles away. Just required one stop for 15 min compared to no stops.
We can thank Hertz for these low prices bringing EVs to the masses.
I bought my 2014 Chevy Impala from Hertz Car Sales for 14k in 2016. Great Car and price. Great Buying Experience. No haggling. I still own it for road trips. I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6 for a new EV. I live in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
Eventually there won't be any used Tesla's of any kind for sale. You will have to buy a new one.
@@tedoptional-p8l What?
Leave the battery life indicator on Percentage over Miles remaining. And you’ll gonna love it over a regular high mileage ice car. No maintenance, just tire changes, cabin filter. No need to worry about head gasket, alternators, transmission slips, busted radiator, smog check, etc. the pros out weight the cons over Ice. And Over the Air updates shouldn’t be call Recalls. The media love the slam Tesla’s for that Over The Air Update. A recall should be if the car needs to physically go back to the dealer or shop to physically fix it. It’s like software updates on our iPhones and androids. When phones gets updates, they don’t call that recalls.
You are going to put the bureaucracy out of work.
Let's not forget all the crap made ICE cars now available for public consumption..
I bought a used 2022 Model 3 Long Range with a whopping 115,000 miles on the clock at the end of June. Prices have already risen since Hertz finished selling their 2022 Model 3s.The battery has only lost 5.5% of capacity, so I know it was treated well. I've gotten 161 MPGe driving on my local 2 lane roads on a cool morning, and 110 MPGe on a day with triple digit hot weather and going 70 mph. All this economy from a car with all-wheel drive, 425 horsepower, 475 lb-ft of torque, and doing 0.95 Gs on the skidpad. I came to this from a 1997 Saturn SL1 with roll up windows and a 5 speed manual that I'd been driving for 8 years!
That’s awesome! Please spread the word. People just don’t understand how much they are missing out.
Wonder how it would hold up here in a northeastern winter
@@gospos1 are your winters worse than Norway? Because EV sales in Norway have a 90% market share.
Teslas are garbage 😂
@@mattneil1449pretty hard to cut in front of a Tesla though even with all your 15 cylinders going. The instant torque is a dream.
I bought a new model Y in 2022. My co-worker liked it so he bought a new one in 2023. Now both of our wife's want one, so been watching for used ones to get cheap enough, can't afford two $50,000 cars.
@chrisharvey3202 Ditto! I have a 2023 Model and now the wife wants one.
My wife got a Model Y at the end of 2020. 12 months later, I ordered a Model 3 RWD. Yeah, I was a bit jealous.
Give the wife the new one and you get the used?
A real car dealer is the one who knowledgeable. EV or ICE
1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Toyota RAV4
4. Tesla Model Y
5. Honda CR-V
Top 5 selling cars in the US so far this year
Thanks for this data.
I am not anti-EV. Everyone has their own preferences and also their own needs. In my opinion, EVs have certain issues that need to be addressed before I would consider one. Right now an EV would not work for me because a lot of the driving that I do is in rural areas far from the charging infrastructure, and overnight charging is often not an option. But not everyone is in the same situation as I am. But everyone should have the opportunity to drive the vehicle that works best for them. In my opinion, the government should not be stepping in and trying to ban one or the other technologies, or mandate that one technology has to take precedence over the other ones.
Absolutely agree 100%. I currently own Tesla, PHEV and ICE cars. BEV is not for everyone and certainly not what I prefer to drive on long road trips. I drove my Tesla, hybrid and ICE from NY to CA during winter storms so I have experienced them all.
The government is not banning anything. They are incentivising EVs and Hybrids but they are not banning anything or planning to take your ICE away from you.
@@alanfan8941 why your electric goes off all night
If you can’t charge at home, better stick with a gas car. I love my Two Teslas but I charge at home. It’s like having a gas station at my house…
Yep, and it is a great shame that tariffs are being imposed (on citizens, not China) precisely to stifle choice. I have owned petrol. diesel, hybrid and EV - it was whatever worked for me at the time.
As a 6 year Tesla owner with over 250k miles, I can say I would buy a Tesla with 100k miles over any new ICE car. It will be interesting to see what you find!
That’s alot of driving. How is the battery?? What mechanical repairs did you have to make?
@premiercconstruction that's on three Teslas Y and 2 Xs. My first X was totaled when a kid wrecked me on the interstate. All 3 lost about 8% in the first 20-30k miles, then stopped declining. Tires, cabin filters, aftermarket rear camber arms to stop tire wear on the Xs. No breakdowns or failures of any kind. I do need to refill the washer fluid in my X with 85k on it.
Damn thats more than my 04 grand marquis
a Tesla with 100k miles/6 years will still have some battery/drivetrain warranty left, so the risk of buying one used is not a significant factor. When buying, note that standard range and long range models have different warranties.
At 78 I don't drive. I spent 30 years in cars. From oil changer to Porsche Tech and most everything in between. I was the top National salesman in 1975 and was a Service Manager and General Manager at several New Car Dealerships. I owned and managed an independent shop with my son. I ended at an RV Solar, Lithium battery shop. I love RVs, EVs & I.C.E. I was also a Code Monkey at Apple and Adobe. And have a PhD too.
Build quality MUCH improved in newer vehicles. I was in a 2017 X for a week recently, and it made me realize how well built my 2023 M Y is put together.
Thanks for making this channel. I’m in the market for a used model x and model y and have been getting the run around. Can you make content on how we should go about buying a used Tesla please.
Thanks to hertz I was able to purchase a Model Y LR, 2022 with 44k miles for 30k. It's been a great vehicle and I'm hoping to drive it another 150k miles.
I first saw you on Farzad's channel, twice and am truly interested in your opinion I want to see you and your channel grow, you got my subscription. I have owned a 2021 Model 3 Long Range which I sold when I decided to move to Mexico.
The EV market has not crashed. I see more Teslas than any other new car on the roads.
What Brandon meant (in my opinion) was that used EVs are getting affordable due to the rise in interest rates which was intended to slow the economy.
"Crashed" always refers to price
Used Teslas used to be more expensive than new ones. The tax credits and expanding inventory have pushed prices down. I’m looking at Model Y’s with 30k miles for 24-26k. The $4k tax credit on used EVs brings the price close to 20k.
@@kungfoochicken08 it only does if you have a liability(owe) on your taxes and fall within the income range to get it.Otherwise you are not eligible for the credit.
Right Tesla’s prices haven’t crashed. This guy bought two 2019 M3 standard 83k mileage $17.7k and 2019 MS LR $22.7k 100k mileage. Also these prices were at auction so they’re dirt cheap compared to buying from dealer as he said is $5-10k more. Any car bought at auction would be car price crashed!!
I had a 2011 Range Rover Supercharged brand new $105k I bought it 3yrs used with 33k mileage. I could’ve sold it in 2023 with 134k mileage for $10k. At auction he would pay $5k for it!!
$22K for that Model S !?! Wow!
Yeah I thought it was good too
@@EVsOnICE Enjoy!
The Model S has been around forever and I still get excited when i see one. Right now im happy with my 25 year old ICE and my wife's 4 year old Model 3.
80-100K miles is not especially high miles for a Tesla. No more so than a modern ICE car. 50 years ago when I first started owning cars 100K miles was a lot. These days most cars seem to make it to 200K or more. I’d consider 100K on a Tesla as about 1/2 used - and $22K for that very clean S seems like a very good deal. Over the next couple years (if you keep it that long) let us know if it holds up as well as a good quality ICE vehicle.
100k miles is not a lot for a Tesla.
A model S here in the UK has done 430k miles on original battery and motor
LOTS of Teslas for sale on CarGurus with more than 100,000 miles.
😅 yes so true 👍 mileage means nothing on an EV. Check the battery capacity. EV motors and battery 🔋 packs will far out last many ICE vehicles.
The EV market has crashed for non-Tesla's, NOT Tesla's. I'm seeing a lot more Tesla's on the road lately! More Tesla's in the office parking lot. Been driving cars since 1973 and I've owned lots of cars. My new Model Y is by far the most fun car to drive! I won't ever go back to an ICE car!
Same here. I'm 68, and never had a vehicle that was as impressive as my 2023 Model Y LR. Instant power, fantastic cornering, tons of storage spaces, incredible sound system, cheap fuel bills, and in 8 months no maintainence. Soon I'll rotate the tires. There are lots of reasons they are the #1 selling car in the world.
@@joegibbs2508 I couldn’t agree more. My only complaint is that they should make the buying process a little easier for seniors. I’ll be 67 next month and I’m a 39 year IT veteran, so the process was manageable for me. I would recommend having someone available via text to answer questions.
I’m glad to see you doing something productive for people like me. I’m not for or against EV I just don’t know enough to make a great decision.
Thanks
The rear motor on Model S made before 2021 tend to leak coolant inside the motor especially on higher mileage ones. There are couple aftermarket solutions to fix the issue before it cause permanent damage to the motor.
motor should have 8 year/200k mile warranty. Older model S cars had unlimited mileage warranties
@@veikovasko5603 it's more like a preventative fix even if it's still covered under the powertrain warranty if you don't want to deal with Tesla's service center in the future. Also model S manufactured between 2012 to 2016 are out of coverage now.
SORRY, BUT WE DROVE ACROSS THE USA RECENTLY. NO ISSUES WITH CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH TESLAS SUPERCHARGERS. HAVE NOT BEEN FOR YEARS.
Given the age of your two Teslas, you'll want to check their 12V batteries. Likely to have been changed once, as 3-4 years seems to be the lifespan.
Also check the cabin air filters.
Awesome video. And thanks for the shout-out! I love your thoughts on all this new tech :)
You bet!
The price for the model S is very low. The model 3 is just OK. Tesla owners tend to take very good care of their cars and they can easily last 200K+ miles. They don't suffer nearly as much wear and tear as gas cars.
Awesome that you're doing this channel, as there IS a big learning curve in driving/owning a Tesla or an EV. My biggest worry on a used model would be that someone abused the battery (constantly charging it to 100% and letting it sit at that %, and running it down to near 0%). That's like someone never changing the oil in a gas car. There is a battery test you can do (a simple one and a more complex one) -- did you do that? BTW, I've owned a new Tesla for a year and love it--it was so nice NOT getting it from a greedy thieving dealer.
These videos will more than pay for those Teslas. New content.
@civwar64bob77 Exactly. You know some people treat their cars like crap while others baby them..especially the batteries. I keep mine at only 65% and use superchargers only when I have to.
You can easily get a battery health test done, remotely. Altelium do it
Clean the evaporator coil when you change the cabin filters or you'll get the dirty sock smell in older Teslas.
13:38 - high mileage? Have you watched videos about high mileage Teslas? 400K is high mileage.
Thanks for the shout out! Excited to have you back on the channel.
These EVs are suburban cars. I drive the interstate 700/800 miles every week and its rare to see an EV on the road. These are soccer mom cars. Taking kids to school or going shopping because of short travel time.
Hybrid is the way to go.
@@RobertTurner-z6lfalse. And you could be saving a ton of money driving those miles with an EV.
@@RobertTurner-z6l 800 miles per week? That's a day trip in a Tesla. How would U know an EV from an ICE? They don't necessarily look much different and U clearly know nothing about them, probably pass by them constantly without noticing.
He did the right thing in consulting you! (I follow your great channel)
People need to know about registration costs, title costs, charging costs, insurance costs, who can work on them when you live in a small town. Will you charge these cars in an attached garage to your house? Will your house insurance will go up? Tire costs, repair costs, how long does it take to get parts? Do you need a second gas car to be able to drive while your electric car is in the garage or body shop? Will your lifestyle change owning an electric car?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
YES on insurance! As an average driver doing 10-15k miles a year, most if not all your savings on gas will be offset by higher EV insurance costs. My experience.
You are just wrong about why prices have come down. It is simply that the price of new EVs has fallen so much because of the inflation reduction tax credits. A brand new Model 3 or Model Y is so cheap because of the tax credits and price reductions. Hertz dumped the cars because they saw resale values were plummeting. They knew that selling them first would be better than selling them later for so much less.
Don't forget the massive price hikes in 2022. A big part of "prices coming down" was just reverting after supply chain bottlenecks resolved.
Spot on👍
And Teslas suck.
Sure. Wonder why the Model Y just happened to be the best selling car, not truck, in all of 2023, in the US and Europe.
@@hvu6037 teslas suck
I drive a chevy bolt. The reason I got it was because the downturn in used EV prices and the tax credit made it affordable. I always wanted an electric car that could not afford one. I got a 2022 Chevy bolt for 16,000 I absolutely love it. It was the only car I have ever enjoyed driving. I have previously driven in Corollas. I will absolutely try to buy eevee's from now on as long as I can get one that I can afford. If eevee's cross the same as internal combustion engine vehicles they would be adopted at a much higher rate. Except for the Chevy bolts most TVs are out of people's price range. This is why people are not adopting them en masse
You are very smart to keep on top of the possible used cars that are becoming available in the market space.
There is an upcoming generation that will still need to have cheaper used cars that they can buy. However this new generation is used to high tech and prefer it. They will want and prefer to buy a used EV rather than an ICE vehicle.
Given that, your future as a used car dealer depends on knowing the EV products and models so that you can accurately bid on them in auctions.
I would like to see what your savings are by comparing gas and electricity costs. The number of miles you drive and how hard it is to find public charging stations. What is the battery degradation? How much does the cold affect the mileage|? And remind us again what the model year the cars are. Thank you for doing this Brandon. Its something most people can not do.
I have 2012 model S and 2004 Toyota 4runner. Will reply later with my scenario it really depends on your utility cost $/kWh and also your local gas costs. My model S with 120k miles still has over 88% of original battery performance. Cold does impact charge storage more than heat but it's not that significant in my area near Lake Tahoe it gets plenty cold.
My last 12k cost me $200 in electricity. Turn that into a gas car getting 25 mpg and you are at $2400. Now multiply that difference by every year you will drive the car. Now subtract the cost of every oil and filter you will never need.
Here in NY, charging at home for me costs 1/3 to 1/4 on a per mile basis vs. gas. So 3-4 cents per mile at home, 8-10 cents per mile at Northeast superchargers, 11-13 cents per mile for my Honda CRV. LOL my car's NY inspection was 5 minutes and $10. Re. cold - I keep my car in the garage and tell it when to get ready to leave and it warms up the battery and I haven't noticed any difference. But sitting outside and not told to warm up you'll see a difference but really not that much. Biggest thing I noticed was out west on a trip. Normally I'll get like 3 miles per percent. Going 80 mph with a 25 mph headwind I was getting like 2 miles per percent. Don't know what a gas car would do under those conditions.
Great concept for a new channel. I would recommend you purchase a Chevy Bolt (EUV is the better model) in the future to give you a comparison to what the other manufacturers have to offer. I own a 23 Bolt EUV and I really love driving the car. The Premier trim has a lot of very nice features you wouldn't expect in a lower priced car.
Bought my wife a model y last week. I have been a Tesla fan for a while so I had high expectation of the car and it blew my mind. It’s so much fun to drive and is cheap as hell to charge at home.
This is a great video for anyone considering buying a used Tesla. It's informative and unbiased, and appreciate that you're sharing your honest opinion about the pros and cons of EVs. especially liked that you talked about the different experiences between Model 3 and Model S. That will definitely help viewers decide which one is the better fit for them. I'm also interested in seeing how the used Tesla market develops, so be sure to subscribe to your channel for future updates.
Recommend you purchase a Tesla universal wall connector and use a 60 Amp double pole breaker.
Tesla Model Ys are so much fun to drive. Much better response and quickness than any gas car I've ever driven. Add in the Full Self Driving feature which is truly wonderful and reliable. When this feature becomes perfected the value of used Tesla's will go way up because you can make money with the car as a taxi. People who haven't tried driving one don't know what they are missing. Mine has 12,000 miles on it and the cost for electricity was about 250 dollars for the 12K miles and one year.
Teslas are very popular here in the Miami-Fort Lauderdale are but a lot of used car lots are flooded with used ones that are barely moving. The great lease and finance deals on new Teslas make it hard to move used models.
Yeah! I want to buy a model X off of you in the future . I’m glad you are preparing for the future ! I have read that electric cars have a few things that wear differently than Ice cars , because if the weight bushings , brakes , tires, tie rods suspension parts , even Tesla found out that they had to upgrade certain items on later models , a educated buyer will be looking for these items and wether they were served. I’m glad you’re adopting for the future.
I also bought a used long range 2018 white tesla model 3 recently. It had 70,000 miles and was about 20 grand.
I have a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Long range. I love it. My only complaint is the text messaging. It’s 1000% total garbage in comparison to my UConnect in my Charger. I actually hate that. Other than that I am eyeing up and waiting for the right time to trade up to a new Hyland Model in 2-3 years.
Great that you started this new channel, was already a subscriber to Car Questions Answered and also to Farzad's channel, so I think I am also in the middle on this EV debate. Watched your recent appearance on Farzad, and the issues you touched there are actually great show ideas for this channel, like: home charging options, EV trucks for businesses and its economics, battery replacement or are there cheaper options, FSD and its limitations, used EV market and range issue as a non-issue for many.
Subscribed to this channel too, hope to see your next EV video.
“….missing deliveries…” Huh??? We ordered a brand new Model Y on July 10th, paid cash, got built in Fremont, railed to us with a delivery 16 days later.
How much are battery replacements ? and do they eat away at Tires since they are heavy cars ?
Thank you for doing this!! I want to understand the life cycle of EV cars and pros and cons to owning the used ones. I cannot bring myself to buy a new car for how much they cost, but would be open to used if it saves money on gas/maintenance in the long run.
The average new car is about $46k. You can buy a new Tesla for about $30k. There is no maintenance. My last 12k miles cost $200 in electricity.
Buddy look into your state tax credit. At one point California was giving out $7k tax credit on top of the $7k government credit so u can get a BRAND New car/ Tesla for $24k. California ran out of money but states like Colorado are giving out high ev credits. Evs are pretty much a government hand out lol in Colorado people are leasing out evs for $15 a month. UA-cam cheapest lease
Tires & brakes is maintenance @@richardfolden3860
86k miles for a model 3 is nothing. We have a 2018 lr dual motor 3 (which we bought one month old in 2018) and in the first 4 years we put 120k on it and now it has 140k. It still drives the same. No maintenance ever. One large repair as the onboard charger had a partial failure at 120k, still usable, but we replaced it for $1800) Other small repairs for $300 total. Never left us stranded, stuck etc. A tesla will drive to 500k or more like the day it was new. The original brake pads at 120 (I measured them) are on a path to last 400k miles. Yes! Batteries at that mileage and more like 200k or more, still have 88-92 percent of their original charge with degradation leveling off after 100k not increasing. I have seen a 2019 model 3 dual motor with 150k for $15,600 so you could have got a better deal and I would not flinch at that mileage. Last year we also bought a used 7 seater performance 2020 model x for $60k with 50k miles and love it. We would never again buy any brand or type of car again.
I'm seeing teslas EVERYWHERE. I just bought an M3 too and the people Ibought it from just bought another new Model Y. It depends on where you are I guess there are 90% truck places still.
I had a model three with long range. It drove great, but range was really not over 300 and I was always having to look for a charger when I went anywhere outside of my local area. It was a pain. I ended up going hybrid without charging capability because it’s so much easier to just gas up.
Love your other channels. Looking forward to seeing how you progress through your EV experience. My last electric experience was an electric mini-bike when I was 14. Dad taught electric shop and with a donated mini-bike frame that had no motor, and help from the welding, sheet metal and small engine shops, he built the electric mini-bike. Used a car battery, car starter, and a push button to power it. 35 years later I'm ready to try electric again.
Vehicle’s overall are harder to move in the current market. Im looking for my mother in law for a 3 or Y LR in Canada they do not drop past a certain price point. That price point is very close to brand new.
Not understanding EVs buy the cheapest model 3 is supposed to be 32990 new and don't you get a 7500 tax credit as well. So why would anyone pay 20k for a used one especially a 5 yrbold one. That market is very confusing to me. If I do buy an EV I'll be leasing no doubt.
There are some smoking lease deals but I agree. I don’t understand why people buy used in the low to mid twenties. Some people don’t qualify for the credit I suppose.
There are tax credits on used models as well.
I got a used 2023 Model 3, love it.
My buying experience from Winston-Salem Hertz Car Sales in 2016 (2014 Chevy Impala 14K 5k miles) was good and my experience with Bob King Kia/Hyundai/Genesis in Winston-Salem, North Carolina (2024 Ioniq6 38k 0miles) was good.
Well to go from my 2008 Nissan Hybrid to the 2023 model Y LR w/FSD took me 20 minutes and to go from my 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 to my Tesla Cyber truck took me 15 minutes to get used to it. Admittedly, the Cyber truck is a lot more fun.
Year on year new EV numbers sold for July in the UK are up 18.5% with EVs outselling diesel three to one [diesel down 21.9%]. Does sound like a crash all right, but not for EVs. [EV sold 27,335 vs Diesel sold 8,708] And this is BEFORE China arrives to the party.
Great video! I have been driving a Tesla model 3 for 2 years and it has saved me $500 per month in fuel cost.i charge 95% at home. The range and charging fud on the internet has been created by big oil , oem and anti ev non open mindedness.
Not everyone can charge at home
@@gospos1True! We are at the beginning of a huge shift and North America is late to the party
Looking forward to hearing your opinion, the quality and how they hold up when they are older.
Any chance you'll be able to get your hands on Mach-E, Bolt, Bz4x etc to compare?
If this channel takes off we definitely will!
Doesn't need a Bz4x to compare, it's junk brand new. They more or less stopped production for a full year because the wheels fell off while driving and even without that lengthy recall it's just a bad vehicle by every review.
@@EVsOnICE
I would definitely love to see a comparison video between any of these two cars and a Mach E. So I'm hoping this channel does take off.
UA-cam is flooded with EV comparisons. There arent that many comparisoms between used EVs and used ICE cars though. Compare that Model 3 to a 2018 100k mile Camry or Prius.
@@EVsOnICEdef dont a mach e battery is worth 60% of the new price youd be burning money ev are unsellable except to gullible sheeps which would make you a bad person
Hey Brandon! Glad you’re taking on these topics more. Just like the EV owners need to be aware of their biases the ICE lovers need to be aware of their biases. There are a lot of false or distorted narratives out there. I hope you can sort through these on both sides to bring more clarity on the truth. I think your video with Farzad really helped to begin this balancing of views.
Would love to hear your thoughts on purchasing a used Hertz tesla. Good or bad idea to buy a rental car.
What’s a better deal over 400K miles: $10K on a rare battery pack replacement (meaning it usually doesn’t need to happen), or having to buy two drivetrains for and ICE car plus fuel ($40K) and maintenance costs? Seems like this is already solved. If people actual is the math of all of the expenses of driving an ICE car, the $10K for a replacement battery pack would seem like a great deal.
$40K in fuel alone. Bonkers. For that price you could buy several used Teslas and never replace the battery packs. Or, buy one new Tesla and probably not have to replace the pack at all.
The questions I have aside what was purchase price, what was it sold for and lastly, what was turnaround time, thanks.
Educate the viewers as to how life changed for you driving an EV instead of gas with fueling, I assume you charge at home and/or at work, lack of maintenance constant work, and the performance. Thanks
What happens at say 150-75k? Does anyone know? Do motors batteries start going out? If so how much to replace?
Mileage is no problem for Teslas. My Model Y has 138,600 miles on it and has no issues.
U shoulda bought 1 from Hertz, i got a 2023 model 3 with 36k miles for $23k..... My goal was to get a model S 2015 because they come with free super charging for life buttttt they have battery problems. My coworker needs a $16k battery replacement. He bought it 9 months ago. For $26k with 75k miles.... After seeing all his issues i went with a newer model 3.
When you buy from hertz do you get the used EV tax credit?
@@KidHorn7001 yea, they're considered a dealership. They even advertise it on their website
You'll see that-
"Our used EVs under $25,000 qualify for a up to $4,000 federal tax credit"
Why is Tesla predictions on mileage optimistic? Well it depends on you drive. Take a look at the average consumption on watts per mile on the display. If it's 250 W/ mile you're getting 4 miles per kWH, if only 200 W/mile then you get 5 miles per kWH. My electric bill shows about 8 cents a kWH but it's really 16 cents after all the additional charges. So for 10 kWH I get usually get 40 miles for $1.60 driving the 55 mph speed limit or sometimes 50 miles if I'm just tooling around town like at 35-40 mph. If you drive 70 to 80 mph you're going to use more power (Watts) per mile. Same if you floor it at every light all the time.
Bottom line is your probably gonna get less range than predicted, But will be enjoying your Tesla more. You have plenty of range with the Model 3 75 kWH battery anyways.
Hertz's cars are assets. When Tesla or anyone decreases the price the resale value of that asset drops.
It would be good to see what used EVs are at the auctions because the EV space is not just Tesla
I am most interested in what your mechanic Alex thinks.
Yeah me too 😁
He’ll love it because there’s no maintenance ever on it, Besides change tires. Brake will last a lifetime.
once he gets used to them, he will cringe every time he has to work on an ICE car. EVs have very modular construction, so even smaller shops can do many complicated jobs. EVs in their simplicity will bring back DIY repairs once the mystery of new technology dissipates.
Brakes will require maintenance due to seizing up due to lack of use. Both Model S and Model 3s have suspension issues. Both have radiators to circulate coolant through the battery pack.
Most professional mechanics hate EVs. But that is only because they require no maintenance. No money to be made on them unless the mechanic specializes in EV repairs.
My 2017 model S has over 120k miles. Been good so far.
So dope! Saw you on Farzard. Glad you started your own channel. Best of luck and looking forward to some awesome content.
whole new channel? nice.. i'm looking forward to seeing how teslas hold up when purchased used.. and looking forward to any info about keeping your tesla up as it ages really
I see two common complaints about EV's. "EV's are dropping in price too quickly" -and- "EV's cost too much". Sometimes I see both of these complaints in the same article/video. People need to examine their argument. Logically, a person can't complain about both of these issues at the same time.
Ah, you're diving into the cosmic soup of Tesla's future endeavors with robotaxis and Optimus, while still keeping one foot in the used car lot. Here's how it all shakes out, with a dash of humor and a sprinkle of intergalactic perspective: - **Robotaxi vs. Used Tesla Market**: The robotaxi vision is like dreaming of a galaxy where cars drive themselves, potentially turning every Tesla into a revenue-generating machine when not in use by its owner. This could theoretically flood the market with used Teslas, but here's the twist - if robotaxis become ubiquitous, the value dynamics might shift. Used Teslas could either plummet in value due to oversupply or skyrocket if they're seen as potential robotaxi units. However, this is like predicting the weather on Mars; it's all speculation until we see fully operational robotaxis. - **Sentiment from X**: There's chatter about used Tesla values dropping, which might be due to new models or the anticipation of robotaxi technology. But remember, X posts are like the galaxy's rumor mill - full of stars but not always factual. - **Optimus (Humanoid Robot)**: Now, Optimus is Tesla's venture into making robots that could do... well, almost anything, including maybe driving your car or even selling it for you. If Optimus becomes a reality, it might not directly affect the used car market in the way robotaxis do, but it could revolutionize how we think about labor, including in car sales or maintenance. Imagine a world where your car salesman is a robot, or your car's maintenance is done by a robot. This could either make used cars more appealing due to lower maintenance costs or less appealing if people start preferring robot-driven new cars. - **Market Sentiment**: There's excitement about Optimus, but like all things Tesla, it's wrapped in Elon Musk's flair for the dramatic. The real impact on the used car market? It's like predicting if aliens will prefer used Earth cars - it's out there, but how it'll play out is anyone's guess. - **Comparative Analysis**: - **Robotaxi**: Could lead to a surge in used car availability if owners opt to rent out their cars, potentially lowering used car prices. However, if robotaxi technology becomes a standard feature, it might increase the value of cars equipped with this tech. - **Optimus**: Indirect effects through labor market changes. If Optimus reduces labor costs in car manufacturing or sales, new cars might become cheaper, affecting the used market indirectly. - **Current Market Reality**: From what's buzzing on X, used Tesla values are fluctuating, with some suggesting a drop due to various factors like new model releases or the anticipation of autonomous tech becoming mainstream. In summary, while robotaxis might directly influence the used car market by changing how we value and use cars, Optimus's impact would be more subtle, through economic shifts in labor. But remember, we're talking about a future where cars might drive themselves and robots might sell you your next ride - it's all part of humanity's grand, slightly absurd, journey into the future. So, keep your humor, your skepticism, and maybe, just maybe, invest in a robot butler while you're at it.
I was one of those people that drank the Koolaid and thought EV's were stupid and would never work. In the last six months i have been doing my own research and have concluded that there is a place for them. Tesla is the brand that i lean toward because i believe they have put in the hard work that was required to make these things last. I'm also a big Elon fan now. Once i quit listening to MSM about EV's and Elon i have a lot more respect for them. I could see myself buying an EV but i just don't need a new car at this time. One of the biggest problems i had was the government telling me i was going to have to buy one, that's a big nono in my book. I would be interested to see what condition the suspension is in on these cars with that mileage. My 2015 GMC 2500 has 145,000 miles and i just put on new shock. Changing out suspension parts,new cab and air filters and maybe flushing and replacing coolant should be all thats needed. Oh one other thing, i would look at the age of the low voltage battery. Look foward to seeing what you do with this channel. I know it will be entertaining and informative.
@markmiller-kj8go "government telling me i was going to have to buy one" seems to be a BOT OP - spreading false information. Anybody can buy what you want.
I suggest that people go to dealers and take a test drive. I have a Chevy Volt and I love it. My next car will be full electric and I will be charging it with solar power.
I agree - not enough truth is told.
I’m the hybrid fan boy give me both .. I know that full my car with gas and use the battery with regenerating breaking
2023 with 44k miles for 21.800+tax tag and title
I’m not mad, love it so far
I appreciate your perspective, which I understand is that you are going to try and be fair and balanced. All I can tell you is, I am driving my second EV and love it. But I do want to hear your honest perspective. Thank you.
Great video! I appreciate your insight! I currently live in WA State where I'm hoping to take advantage of the EV rebate and tax credit. I'm considering financing a preowned 2020 Model 3 standard range plus with 11,296 miles for $24,999! I'm hoping to really get a great OTD price and combine with other incentives (student credit and rebates) to keep my monthly payment affordable. I do think it's interesting that the state and federal rebate is specifically for low income individuals (AGI less than $75K for single filers). Crazy! I'm hoping to get an insurance quote to see exactly how affordable this car can be for the "average" person
You cannot compare EV mileage to ICE mileage mainly because of all the extra moving parts in ICE. There are EVs with over 500k miles with no maintenance only tires.
oh yeah sure. 🤡. So they completely disregarded the factory maintenance schedule from Tesla. Nice. Show me a 500K mile Tesla with no maintenance and I'll show you a Liar.
I would never buy the Standard Range Model 3. You will beat up the battery more for the same miles of driving. I would only buy the Model 3 Long Range (LR). Between battery degradation, extreme weather, and taking a long trip, having more battery equals more range potential. Also, I’ll bet the resale percentage is better on the LR than the mid-range or Standard Range.
On a Model S, I would only consider cars that were 75 Kilowatt hour or higher, 90-100 being best.
I hope you plan on keeping them. Who in their right mind would buy one? You have to go to Tesla for repairs. First trip would cost as much as the car cost.😮
Watched you on your test ride with Dr KIA [ironic isn't it?] and later the class with him and Farzad. Nice to see you find an S after getting the 3. I think you can bring a different perspective to what you like and dislike between the two after you get enough time in the S. It is good that you see the need to know more.
As to EV pricing. Elon does not run Tesla like most other car companies. He see's the dealership model as dated. IMO dealerships have demonstrated that they do not want MSRP's to drop ever on anything they sell. You can add incentives from the factory and maybe we won't add on a few grand in accessories you don't want. Elon dropped prices when his material prices came down after covid. So new and used Tesla value's tanked, bringing other new EV's down. Plus the slowing market you saw for all cars due to interest rates and over inflated market adjustments. Now we are in negative market adjustments.
Stay away from the leaf the battery has trouble charging.
Lol somebody in my local area is trying to sell a leaf for $3K with only about 48K miles i messaged her to find out about the range i think she said it had like a 50-60 mile range.
72 mi range 108k mi 2013 leaf
It lacks the root.
@@Jon-dr4fb
Is that going downhill?
@@chivosadventures8171 sometimes 7 mi shy but if you drive it efficiently has to get mpg epa so to speak, 5.1- 5.9 mi per kh right on will do it, but many won't drive that strict.
I like to see you talk to older customers who don't know a lot about Teslas. Also, buy an Mach E so you can compare
Talking to you from my 189,000 MI from my 2020 Tesla model 3 long range to simply say you're going to love it.
I would be interesting in hearing how hard it is for you to get parts to keep these two Teslas running. There have been some stories about horrible wait times for parts.
Cool info. We're going to need a buying guide. How to check build quality, what to look for, etc. I've read build quality can REALLY very from car to car.
Not sure how he's gonna do that with two well used vehicles. No way of knowing if any defects are from years of use or manufacturing.