I Went To Buy a $15,000 Tesla Model 3 from HERTZ: Here's What Happened
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So basically it's a $10K car with the credits?
Have you done other vehicles about buying cars from Hertz?
Just hope that you don't get stop by the police for driving a stolen car. Hertz is known for doing that to people all over the country. Good luck to you.
Are there referral codes that work for used Tesla or Chevy Bolts from Hertz sales division?
Classic “it just sold, but we have a similar vehicle for you!” technique
It’s 2024 ask the dealership to send a Live Photo before you Go
yeah when dealerships say that it always means they have the same vehicle with 50K more miles, in the color you dont want, and trim level/options you dont want, for the same price
@@qroadsidecars always look different in person than in pictures. they ALWAYS look better in pictures, much better
Bait and switch
I have a buyer coming to see it, can't guarantee it will be available
For maintenance on the cars. Car rental agencies are self-insured. They usually do not report to Carfax. Just be wise and knowledgeable
That's exactly why a tesla is the best option from a rental car place. no maintenance needed for most of its life
Wow, never knew that. Thanks.
Just go to 3:50, to skip the B.S
I did, yeah just introductory info.
Thank you . Yo mvp
Good catch bro
🐐
Thank you!!!
Also know this. Most of those Tesla models were used in their UBER rental program. So your buying a used TAXI. I would inspect the interior more then the exterior, specially the back seats.
I can actually attest to this as an employee here. Most of these Uber Tesla interiors are trashed and worn down. B-pillars hanging off, steering wheels peeling, door panels melting and this is just what you can see visually, imagine how bad the undercarriages are where the battery is.
I'm a mechanic at Hertz here in Chicago and that is so true about being uber cars
you're*
It was certainly only the black cars. No reason to rent a car that can’t do uber black. UberX NOT pay enough.
What if you plan to rarely use the back seats?
If you can still find them do it. I got one at 96k miles Long Range Dual Motor 15k OTD, got a warranty through xcare on the battery for 10 years. It's been amazing no problems looks new.
How much was the warranty? Good idea.
@@CaidenPie it was around $3500, 10 year 150k miles, covers up to 30k (motors and main battery) which works to about one rear motor one front motor and one battery.
So you only paid $11.5k for the car before warranty??
@carpetqwerty no it was 15k OTD, warranty was 3.5k from separate company
It's not otd 15k if u paid for warranty lol. Are u stupid
one bad thing about used rental EVs is that they tend to get to charged to 100% from renters either because they don't know better or just need the max range for a trip.
Hertz,,, they would never use predatory pricing to get you in. Such a honest operation!!
Sounds like you're skeptical about their practices! It’s always good to be cautious with companies that have a history of questionable pricing strategies. What experiences have you had with car rental companies that make you feel this way?
That would be an improvement. Just hope that they don't call the police on you for driving a stolen car.
Never buy GAP insurance from a selling dealer. Call your insurance agent/company up and get it through them. Will be about 80% cheaper.
I bet the gap from your insurance company only covers up to 100 percent. Dealer gap covers up to 150 percent.
@@saulalbarranjr259 All depends on what it says in the GAP policy...and I don't have GAP insurance, because my rides are paid for. Dealer GAP markup is insane.
The GAP from the bank would probably be cheaper than the insurance company
couple nicks and dings just make you not cry when the shopping cart clips it
Those are rented by hertz for Uber taxi.
After looking at Hertz Tesla, I found most to be scary purchase. This is the case for Tesla mainly because of their Hertz Uber deal. On average they are about 65k miles for $26k. I gave up on Hertz and found amazing single owner sale to be way better. Ended up buying 2023 Model 3 (less than 1 yr old) with 9,000 miles for $24k. It was spotless, super clean, cared for, and amazing deal. I am so glad I didn't buy the Tesla from Hertz and went with private sale.
Things went well for you due to your diligence.
@@LessThanHandy I heard of do diligence, or is it due diligence?
Oh geez!!!!
2023 won’t get the credit
What was wrong with it?
@baldpnoy410 is absolutely nothing and spotless. It was his 3rd car and his wife hated it. I only looked on FB market place just in high income towns near me and grab it as they post it. Don't give the seller any time to think.....
I have a 2018 model 3 just rolled over 130k no issues very little maintenance
I bought a 2023 model 3 from hertz and it was the best deal ever. I was a little disappointed because most of the cars had curb rash on the wheels but wasn't a huge issue. Got a 23 with less than 20k miles. ICE cars I could imagine are driven hard but EV's have no major moving parts. Still has tesla warranty so I wasn't worried. Haven't had any issues since I bought it and got it for a fraction of the price
How much did you buy it for out the door?
no tax credit for your model.
Mine had 27k miles. Had a couple warranty issues. Tesla service fixed them both on the first visit. One issue was random like once a week, and the logs had the issue. On my Silverado, Chevy said they could not reproduce the radio going dead randomly.
How long have you had it?
@@richrise4065 got my ‘23 m3sr from hertz June 28th for 23.5k usd. The website wasn’t accurate when I was there.
34K miles is 21k miles over the average for a 2023... These Model 3s run every week at the dealer only auto auctions in the Midwest and rarely get over $22k with those type of miles.
Where in the midwest?
@@banksjones5373 From Chicago down to Kansas City Missouri
Well it actually released late 2022. But still a lot of miles
@@chustlerm Regardless of when it was release, each model year average is 15k miles. Not my opinion, the national average.
Are they really that bad on the dealer side? Why? Another price slash?
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Better test tesla the batteries cuz uber drivers rent from hertz and charge the nmc batteries to 100% a lot, 2x a day
Great presentation SIr.
How much to replace the battery??
It's not the age of the car but the miles driven. Never more true than when you try and buy a rental car, ICE or EV. Though with an EV it's even worse because more of the signs of trouble are hidden while people have generally figured out ways to tell if something was wrong with an ICE car. It doesn't even have to be in an accident for poor charging habits to destroy the battery life of an EV either.
I was an Uber driver did the hertz Tesla rental and yes from
Experience charging them up to 90-100 percent and yes I can’t imagine how many other Uber drivers out there did the same thing
Good to know! Would you buy one?
@@DennisCWi’d buy one. Model 3 is very efficient and light so per mile charge is cheap.
I've been driving my Uber first Tesla for 66000 me 100% supercharging And I've gained capacity
@@forexcobar7273 that is true! Capacity can be good even with super char
I don't believe charging to 100% is the issue, so long as the car is driven immediately. Charging a lithium battery to 100% and letting them sit is bad for them. That being said, I bought a 2023 Model 3 with 20000 miles for under $23,700. Of course it also has the LFP battery so not concerned about the battery. As far as the dealer trick about the car selling, they may not be pulling a fast one. Their website showed a car that the lot didn't have yet, said it was in service. I was near their lot at 2:00pm so i can confirm the car wasn't there. They called me to tell me it was there, at 3:30pm, I was about 15 minutes away. By the time I got there it had been test driven and the guy was in the process of buying it. They move fast. For mine, it was a rent2buy. I had to make a rental agreement, because it was a rental car in the fleet. After my rental I had the choice to purchase the car, and they wave the rental fee.
Anyway them vehicles are so reliable. Biggest issues is the motor bearing issues, cheap door handles and sunroof seals
Lots of people mentioning that these are ex-taxis; but dont overlook the fact that anytime you deal with Hertz you are at risk of getting falsely billed, sued, arrested or shot.
'That Tesla has only 33,000 miles' what could possibly be wrong with it! A Hertz rental with 33,000 miles is probably about a normal vehicle having about 70,000 miles. That 2023 model 3 is not worth a penny over $19,000
Fake news. It’s an EV not an ICE car. Why would it have 70k miles instead of 30k? Please explain your logic.
Ya, I would stay the f away from that one. After being wrecked multiple times and high mileage... probably ubered the shit out of and battery 100% multiple times daily means failure soon. Stay away from it.
You don’t need another Tesla. You need a Rivian 😊. Glad to see the Model X in the video
Where do you get rims fixed for 100
I assume you get to inspect and test drive the vehicle before buying?
Great video Dennis. Regarding battery health there is the site Recurrent, that uses Tesla's API to view the battery health of the car. You just need the VIN. I also recommend renting any car from Hertz before buying it and having a Tesla Service Center or a 3rd party mechanic look it over. The rental fee is subtracted from the price of the car if purchased. The new Model 3 RWD Long Range with 1.99% apr makes those used Hertz models in the high $20k range less of a deal. All the "I'd never buy a used rental" talk in the comments is hilarious, given anyone who regularly buys their cars used has probably already bought a car with "Fleet" listed in the Carfax or car history. Fleet is the term used for formal rentals. Excessive engine redlining, hard acceleration, and immediately driving after cold starts, either don't negatively affect EVs or don't apply at all. Also most of the old predictions of excessive battery degradation from Excessive DCFC isn't being backed up to current longterm data. A 2022 $15k 80k Model sounds like a great first car for a teen.
Great TIPS!
No battery degradation?
Just look at the thousands of Model S and X out of warranty that need a $20K replacement battery. Disposable cars indeed.
Again, most used Teslas can have their battery health checked via Recurrent. My 2 year old former Hertz Tesla has 5% battery degradation, which is normal. Most Model S's needing battery replacements are 10+ years old. 2020 and newer Teslas have different batteries. My 2022 has an even newer battery chemistry (LFP).
@@Timmymao163 You mean, almost none of them? I guess that technically is thousands, given that they've sold more than half a million S/X.
Watching content like this I really wish I lived in the US. Don't particularly like Teslas or EVs but just this experience. Damn me for being born in India, oh well Im gonna move there soon enough. I just want to enjoy my early adulthood there
Thanks for sharing! The US definitely has some unique experiences to offer. What’s the first thing you’re excited to try or explore when you move here? 😊
You are super optimistic. Scratch here nit there 30,000 miles in one year are a lot of miles.
Found out that if you find a Tesla out of state you are interested in. The vehicle can be shipped to a location near you.
I bought a 2021 used Tesla with only 17k miles for around $21k with tax & license. Thought there was going to be issues at first but none what so ever. Only I purchased so far is easy self cleaning mats which I got on Amazon for $100. Sure there are little scratches here & there but who cares because I didn’t spend $50k on this car. So do yourself a favor by buy one with the lowest mileage as possible so that it’s still under Tesla warranty (5yr - 50,000 miles- approximately)
Wow, that's a steal! What do you think about Tesla's resale value?
I used to work at tesla as a technician and trust me when i tell you that these teslas have many issues with cameras and door handles, door trunk wiring harnesses, panel gaps, moldy ac ducts, take your risk if you dare after working on them for over 7 years id never buy one of these hunks of crap.
I hear ya. The massive amount of tech on modern cars makes owning one out of warranty a total crap shoot. Thanks for the insight.
All covered with the warranty. On my 3rd with no issues. Stop being a drama queen. As a “technician” you will only have negative experience because that was your job.
Would imagine people would trust a person whose "job" was to deal with these issues over someone that has experience with 3.@@randomstoragespace Shrug, I still want one but your point is kinda mid.
@@randomstoragespace Agreed.
The key points are 120k mi- past battery warranty. These cost least.
50k - warranty over but power and drivetrain still active till 120k.
Low than 50k miles - probably in a collision and repaired. Most expensive.
I go for the 70-80k, and have to do about $1000 of suspension, tires, shocks, control arms to rejuvenate the thing.
The real bonus is you are still state of the art and the software is just now blossoming to full fruition. So you can be state of the art in a severely discounted vehicle.
Also add a bed and a fridge! You can camp in your Tesla and save hotel bills.
Good feedback
nico Murillo does that!
RWD standard range is only 100k battery warranty
I worked at Hertz, seen first hand how people treat rentals. Any model. Personally i wouldnt buy any rental
The prices are low because the car is trash. Like all EVs are
Bro I’m a vendor at that Norwalk store I do the PDR there. People buying teslas and bolts there like hotcakes. They use to have hundreds on there lot at one time lol
Good insight
many buyers are dealers.I was looking on cargurus and 90% of used Teslas are prior rentals...why not get it from Hertz and save thosands? I would dothe rent2buy for sure...
Given how people that I personally know treat rental cars this is a no go for me. Additionally, people that work at Hertz could care less about how the car is charged, etc.
hahaha true
Nah maybe for a traditional car but all Tesla has is a screen in the middle so I found a clean car. I got it for $23k with 36k miles and it was a 2023. It was cheaper than a Honda and Toyota.
I'm not gonna lie I was thinking like you so I was expecting myself to be disappointed but the seat was firm and new, the inside was nice. It smelled clean. I was expecting it to smell like a smoker car/weed but it was clean. I think hertz charges more for a Tesla renting so most low life would go for cheaper gas car.
Agree, I would never buy a rental car, people abuse the heck out of them, you don't know if there's any internal damages, I see it as future problems.
@@marvint2903 Yea, that's why it's good to buy a low mileage car which makes it covered under warranty... For example: hertz has 1yr warranty on their car. And Tesla has bumper-to-bumper for 4yr (50k miles and 120k for any battery issue)... My car has 36k miles, it runs fine and if any issue shows up I'll call Tesla or Hertz
Are you afraid renters are constantly redlining the engine? 😂😂😂.Any real abuse to an EV is visible to a potential buyer. Hertz allows you rent the car before buying, so you can have the undercarriage and suspension checked. Tesla won't let you do that.
Problem I see is you can now get a 2024 M3 Long Range RWD for $29K NEW. with the tax credit..
Well the thing is after tax credit and fees it’s 39k buying used is better since it still will only be worth half after 2yrs 😂 at least you ain’t loosing too much money .
@@Ynotbehumanfirst
That's true, the depreciation Hit has already happened. I generally don't worry about that because I put so many miles on a car doesn't make any difference. I don't tend to buy and sell over short periods of time. I'd buy a car and drive it till it has 400K on it
Hate when people say this stuff.. Because it does not apply for a lot of people.
@@baldpnoy410
The tax credit...applies to much more people than before...
@@kens97sto171 Most likely people looking at used EV's does not qualify for tax credits or don't want to pay premium high insurance and registration along with high depreciation.
They also sell their front lot cars to dealerships like Carmax and Echopark automotive .
Could you give your sources for wheel corrections for $100.00 and paint corrections? What do I get with a "paint correction"? Thank you. Very helpful an honest.
Great tips - any concern about the battery degradation?
The orange peel, sort of rough looking paint surface. That's directly from Tesla Fremont factory! Not a repaint
Dennis, what about battery replacement. Is there away to determine (projected) battery life or need to replace. Surely that has to be estimated at some point in a cars life
I looked at 3 different 2021 Model S Plaid locally and saw that every one of them was peeling on the left side of the steering wheel. Guessing from sunlight hitting it directly.
THIS was a GREAT VIDEO Dennis! Please give us more content similar to this my friend 🔥🙏😊
thank you !
Thanks Dennis! Well done.
Do you get it checked out with a independent mechanic?
Few “independent mechanics” would have a clue…
Seems like Hertz is painting their own cars with can spray paint.
probably a quick spray
Yea, Mines had 1 touch up paint on the bumper. It was pretty big, as if someone scraped the bumper against the wall, it's not noticeable though since the color is gray. I asked for a discount he said no. I got it at $23k with 36k miles. It was a 2023 model 3, it was the cheapest in the market, I rushed to get it since their inventory was slowing down, I was looking for 4months, they only had 3 left before that they had like 10 each month. 2 week later they had 1 come in for $22k I was so mad lol. right now it's pretty hard to find any, and if they show up they usually have 60-73k miles at $24k or higher
No they do not. All body damage cars get vended to local bodyshops, so talk to the bodyshops in the area where these Teslas are, they're the ones doing the cheap fixes and work.
@@lupavo1738when I was a PDR vendor for hertz, they had a mobile painter come in for bumper resprays. Painting outdoors doesn’t usually produce good results but it also doesn’t go on carfax
Hertz uses the cheapest priced vendor. Also corporate only allows them a certain amount to recondition them
those battery packs are probably trashed.
I bought a bolt euv from hertz to use for my business. It was a good buy, but you definitely need to look them over and test drive them thoroughly. The teslas were driven hard 😂
good insight! thank you
How can I find out when Hertz has Teslas for sale?
I'm surprised Hertz aren't offering a drive away nothing to pay deal to get rid of those piles of garbage. How it would work is, you walk into a Hertz agent and they plead with you to just drive it away, don't bother giving any cash. They're just glad to be rid of the damn thing 😅😅😅😂😂
Decent video. One correction: many Hertz retail dealerships DO charge a documentary fee fyi. Look at their website for information.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Where exactly is the Herzt dealer in this video?
You have to ask to, has it been used as a livery vehicle? uber because Hertz ran a vehicles to Uber drivers
Does the battery still have the factory warranty?
yes, but it will fail a few thousand after warranty expires since these are uber abused.
I was curious about this myself with hertz but what would be red flags to look out for as well
We just went through the bait and switch today. We found a 2019 Ford Ranger for a little over $17,000 and called yesterday to see if they had it in stock. Today we drove to the dealership and, you guessed it, it was already sold when we got there. The salesman did say they had one for a few thousand dollars more and it had fewer miles but we left with nothing.
Classic sales techniques. Bait them in with a cheap car, call them and tell them it’s sold…..
They are not commission at Hertz. That wouldn't do any good to them. The guy explained it as well.
@@yankeesusa1 Yes, but Hertz needs to get rid of them in any case, and that's how you do it. I'm certain that this case is bait and switch.
ya, took a while to call them... then you get a text.. so shady. I wouldn't buy that m3 rwd for 27... omg.
Looking to get something like that and I want a Tesla and it will just be a mush better option
At a dealership that’s their ploy says it’s in stock to get you in then later say it’s sold. It’s been sold long ago
Dealerships are stealerships 80% of the time.
If you factor in the scratches, dents, scuffed rims, along with high miles then buying a used rental Tesla is NOT a good deal
Depends on the price, and hopfully charge the car at home, see that saves a lot of money.
Very few people who are not "car fanatics" care if their used couple year old car care if their car/truck has scratches, dents, scuffed rims. These are just not issues the average person cares about. Every car once manufactured is destined for the crusher/salvage/scrap yard.
Factor in wear and tear? Seriously. Factor in it has four doors and wheels, and it’s not a good idea!
Cars a moneypit, I've been doing research. Most Tesla owners wont admit it but a drive unit that fails every 30-50k miles is worse than a rotary engine imo@@metalmike570
Where is the link about getting the $4k when you buy from a private party?
I couldn't possibly express how much of a waste of $27,000 a Tesla RENTAL with 73,000 miles is. That's 73,000 supercharger miles. That's 73,000 very spirited driving miles. That's 73,000 lets-see-if-this-thing-is-as-fast-as-they-say miles.
Thanks for this vid…VERY informative.
Where can I find these cars?
"Really cheaply as well". Please let us know where and how
Bro its like as soon as 2024 finished all used teslas shot up a few grand
Hey, you're supposed be able to transfer your used EV tax credit directly to the dealership and have it taken off the price.
I know the dealership has to register with the government to be able to do that. If so, it's possible Hertz didn't do that. That would be insane. Maybe the sales guy didn't know about that?
I got my $4000 off at point of sale from Hertz in Ohio. Dennis turned me on to the Hertz sale. Thanks Dennis.
They don't have to, but yes they could. They effectively file for it on your behalf and then you get it right away. Problem with this is they might not have enough tax liability to cover all the vehicles they are pulling the credit for.
Today they are 30k in chicago illinois why
Wait, how do you buy from a private party and get the instant rebate? I have been planning on using this program to buy a plugin hybrid for almost a year but I was told it only works from a dealer and only certain dealers could do it. It is a program they have to be already setup with.
Ill talk about that LIVE today
I read it must be bought from a dealer to get the used ev fed credit.
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192 that is how I read it also but in the video it says that you don't need to buy it from a dealer. So that's why I was confused.
So you're looking for a mint condition Teslas for the cheap?
There are much better deals out there. Just have to hunt and be ready to buy. Found a 23 M3 9k miles for $25k
Honestly you can find Tesla model 3s standard range under 25k all day. I get that these ones are maybe 2-3k cheaper, but you’re honestly risking such a worn down car over 2-3k. Not even worth it at that point. Most dealerships cannot even sell you a car unless there is 80%+ tread, not sure if hertz has that rule but you could potentially be spending another 1k on tires right off the bat 🤷. I feel like these cars should be all priced around 20k right now if they a rental and get the 4k off on top of that. That’s just my opinion
I bought a Corolla from Norwalk Hertz. It was a great car like most Toyotas.
I saw one with 92k miles.... didn't jump on it because I was worried about the battery. Does Hertz's warranty cover the battery?
Tesla has a 120k warranty or 8 years whichever comes first I believe.
YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE SALESMAN IF THEY DID ALL THE OIL CHANGES
haahahahhhaah
For real he could have asked about brakes, if they were replaced. There really isn't much
else except for tires, remaining tread.
When I bought an Ora Good Cat in Melbourne, the salesman said he would give me a full tank of petrol.
Or if they give you a free tank of gas? 😂😂😂
4:36 any Tesla has a bunch of scratches on it ? Lmao tf
I bought the highland model 3 a month ago brand new. It had 154 miles on the odometer and some idiot 18 year old without a license turned hard into my car and destroyed the front end of my car. My front left wheel got bent and pushed back and now the car is repaired. This tesla is my first car and got repaired but Ive been treating it like sht and been driving it extra hard(illegally) ever since the accident because it doesn't feel the same after knowing the car is brand new and now has historical damage to it. I wasted my hard earned money on a brand new car that got destroyed 3 days later since my delivery day. Im not even livid except mentally exhausted from this headache.
Sorry to hear about your state of mind over this.
That’s why I’m Ok with a refurb. Pay less and don’t worry about damage. I have two Hertz fleet Model 3, with 70 and 80k miles.
@@rogerdodgerxd This is why we can't have nice things. I know how you feel.
Dang sorry to hear that
Sue the person who it you, personally. You should be made whole.
I bought one, and it is awesome!!
You are asking right questions to a wrong person. A sale person first of all will have little info on how many of the warranties are claimed, second no incentive to tell the truth. Also, a year old car's leather bubbleing is not California thing but rather QC issue and use of poor materials or use of unfriendly chemicals. Cars parked in sun light don't just start bubbling in a year or five.
My wife drives a Jeep and I drive a Range Rover. So which car is the best off road vehicle? A rental car!
Haha, that’s a funny take! While the Jeep and Range Rover are both excellent off-road vehicles, a rental car does have its own perks-especially if you're testing different terrains without worrying about wear and tear. Do you find yourself leaning more toward keeping your current vehicles for off-roading, or are you considering something new?
Someone looking for a lower cost this is a great alternative.
Bummer that the income limits are so low for used EVs. For new EVs, the income limits are $150,000 for single filers and $300,000 for married.
Oh good, I thought that sounded low.
@@micker9830 Doh! I was wrong! My numbers are for new vehicles. Used vehicle EV tax credits are, in fact, $75k and $150k. I'll edit my post.
hertz has there own body shops at all their big locations blowing in wrecked bumpers doors.....vertually everyone is a partial repaint.....the work done never shows up on any reports. eg. carfax etc.....they're rentals and ubors....lol
kinda done with anything f-elon is tied to....
Wake up dude you're buying a used car . People think that their buying a new car at used car prices .
Thanks for the video. Now I know never to buy from Hertz! What a rippff
$15K, in Canada these still sell for over $30-$40K.
Go to US purchase and drive back problem solved.
I’m seeing a lot of them now in the GTA for 18-25k CAD.
Dennis that hertz location doesnt seem to know what they are doing. I purchased a 2022 model 3 from the san diego location a d received the 4k off up front. Also got the 4k from LADWP. I pretty much got the car for 18k.
What location was that ?
WAIT! Hertz should be able to do the $4k tax rebate at the point of sale. Not sure whats going on here.
If your hitting curbs with all the cameras on a Tesla you can’t drive
They're playing you make them show you the paper work sue them... it's a crime.. bait and switch
Hertz doesn't give you the instant rebate at the time of sale? How lame is that for a major company not to be registered with the IRS to offer that? I'm just a small one man dealer and got registered and can do that rebate. Not everybody has enough income to make the tax credit worthwhile, but anybody with low income can get the instant rebate and save 30% off the sale price.
Could you finance it with no down payment & still quality for the $4k tax credit?
It's not a rebate, it's a tax credit.
@@FauxQue-yk8dt Tell that to my customers to whom I've dropped the price by $4,000 at the time of delivery and then gotten that $4,000 deposited back to my bank account from the IRS a few days later.
I'd be more interested to see what it says it's max range is.
good point - it was way too hot to function haha, 115 degrees
I got a Tesla from Hertz, I get the same as all other Teslas. On the Tessie app it shows 260 miles with 95.7% battery health. Which is normal for all Tesla.
Lucid EVs are much higher quality better looking design makes a Tesla loos outdated
Hertz Teslas are with high mileage previously repaired ,painted with possible hidden damage, and overpriced junk.
You don’t have the gray Model X anymore?
I do - still, pending sale though
None of them were 15k...
They are so cheap because they are setting at what they should cost in the first place.
Just bought a use 2022 personal lease m3 base with 11k miles for 25k after negotiating it to that price and getting the 4k use tax rebate. Overall total with tax, add on, and rebate the OTD price was 26k. Vehicle drives like new. I considered a great buy.