What's Happened To John? Everything Wrong With RDR2’s John Marston In 5 Minutes
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- Опубліковано 1 січ 2021
- Since the release of the prequel to Rockstar's 2010 title "Red Dead Redemption" there has been much critism surrounding the much loved protagonist, outlaw John Marston.
Here I sum up some of the issues brought to light over the internet by fans.
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What sucks is that after rockstar releases a new game, they never touch the story mode ever again unless it’s to fuck up something that was already good in the first place
Yup, pretty much!
Exept for lemate revolver and the other pistol thing
Like the December 1st update.
"DoN't YoU hAvE aNy WaRmEr ClOtHeS tO wEaR ArThUr??"
Wtf do you want them to do? Do you want them to do a new story in the same game? They are obviously going to care more for the online.
@@tacitusfeeniks2448 i'll have to take your word on that.
You know something worse?
When you go to the menu and you see the missions you can see John still keeps his original hair
Y e s
I noticed that to, did my head in
bro... thats sum bullshit
@@marloncarbajal5492 yep, and i think rocktsar dont give shit about the story mode fans, they only cared about the online, i fear that one day rockstar only do online games.
@@goldensapphire0I know What you mean. But i then remember that. Single player Games are basically their resistance pillar. They can't do online only
they arent lazy enough to make horse balls grow in the weather but cant give john his hair?
ballz
But the hair he can change with the time.
@@pitucaacadela295 yea but it doesnt look anything close to his hair in pre epilogue
And they put so much detail in his scars through Arthur’s story. The scar was fading over time and you can see the color becoming lighter after each chapter
@@lowkeyyc152 his hair isn’t the problem. His facial features are.
The weirdest among all this is they gave original John's outfit in one of Outlaw passes.
I don't think people know who you are, click his pfp and see for yourself.
Love ur content keep it up👍
Some people will recognize him, I found him years ago as a kid looking for video game soundtracks and hes been a legend ever since. The real MVP for gamerip OSTs
I am a fan
Bruh I literally see you everywhere
Hey, I know you!
“I’ve always been ugly.” -John Marston
Guys that don't think they are attractive in my opinion are attractive. I find for a video game character John to be attractive.
Im very nice
@Yan Terahn I think both John and Arthur are handsome lads
@Yan Terahn How is John ugly at all by any conventional standards?
@Yan Terahn Yeah he's ugly in rdr, largely due to the fact that he looks about 45, is fat and greasy but I get your point. John in rdr2 is very handsome, like Arthur, for some reason they gave every character model bone structure and facial fat, even micah is handsome shaved.
For me the biggest issue is the fact that John just doesn't look as mean as he did in the first game. He actually looks kinda naive.
I agree, not the actor as rob does an incredible job as John but he doesn’t come off as hard as nails like in rdr1, and. He’s far to skinny, either that or his clothes are just way too small
@@alfi3b_810 I honestly think it's got something to do with his eyes.
@@rpaulisan same. When i cover his eye’s with a hat he looks badass but if i move the camera under, he looks like a coward with guns.
Well hes kind meant to be confused and less tough in rdr2, running around trying to figure out how to live a normal, legal, life. I think him looking a little less tough fits the narrative.
@@lumbagoboi1649 But John himself said that he was even more of a monster when he was in the gang, he has some lines for it in RDR too
With each update I notice more and more glitches in the story mode. Especially that one with people complaining about you being to underdressed for cold weather when we are in swamp lands in 80-90 degree weather.
Yeah, when ı first hear that ı was like wtf 😁
Yeah, me too.
That is true
,,Your gonna freeze your ¿E? Corns dressed like that" Uncle 1899
I thought I was the only one. Was getting sick of Pearson telling me to get warmer clothes...
It's almost as if John is trying to cosplay himself but he just can't get the look right.
Arthur is trying to cosplay him lol
Not to mention: a level 2 beard is invisible ,
His nose,
His huge gloves,
His scar near his left eye that makes him look angry, is also missing,
And goddamn you're right about him looking better in the photos of pre release
Edit: I didn't mean to seem like I'm nagging too much about it but I'm just saying he looks weird and as if he was remade from memory
he didnt have the eye scar do u people not understand that red dead 2 is before red dead 1 jeez dumb people
@@y.avd9-185 bruh I don't think you understand what I mean. The eye scar made him look angry and serious in rdr1 which is missing in rdr2 because he looks numb all the time
@@themoike_prod HE DIDNT HAVE THE EYE SCAR YET IN RDR2
@@y.avd9-185 Just like how he didn't have his daughter and how his scars switched places, right?
@@sulkii9437 Except his scars didn't switch places? And I assumed the daughter happened between the epilogue and rdr1? Since there's a 4 year gap I assumed they had a daughter that died as an infant in that time.
None of his NPC outfits are available in the wardrobe and his rancher outfit is missing the brown wrist gauntlets.
Yup, this too. There are many secondary things but I was aiming for physically what's wrong with him but yup, this too!
@@LabOfCodez
Theres also other things I forgot to mention:
1) His custom lancaster repeater is missing from his weapons inventory
2) He doesn't have his bowie knife
3) His knife holster is the same one as Arthurs and has the same problems
4) His NPC model has the crappy knife holster and the same problems
5) His cowboy outfit is missing the regular trousers belt
6) His cowboy spurs are inaccurate
7) His rancher outfit his missing the regular trousers belt
8) The belt he wears as part of his homesteader outfit disappears after The Wheel
Theres probably more things that I haven't spotted yet.
@@StuartLugsden I’m going to make a part 2 maybe in a month or so. I’ll screenshot this so when I’m going through my notes and points, I’ll add these. Thanks!
@@LabOfCodez Your welcome! And I look forward to the next part.
@@StuartLugsden When using mods if you give yourself all weapons you can see there is a weapon that says John’s Lancaster Repeater, you cant use it sadly because it was cut from the epilogue.
1:02 this is absolutely cursed
and this 3:51
Don't forget 4:42
Don't give Rock* any ideas lol
And 4:55
it's just how texture maps look, nothing strange about that
The truth is that your playing
as john morgan.
@Speed Gamer if the issues with John don't bother you, then that's fine. There's just lots of issues with him and the excuse that's he's younger isn't valid, for us anyway. Have a good day.
Jarthur Morston
@@MrFusion 🤣
ye know him? good lad
Exactly!
Epilogue John needs to look more rugged aswell as have his original hair,he looks like a pretty boy compared to RDR1 John who looked menacing which is only 3-4 years later
A lot can change in that time period.
I never cared for his hair in rdr1, personally
@@DirtyDan1 But not in 8 years, i see
I miss RDR1 John and his funny jokes ):
@@DirtyDan1 4 years and his face will change? Wtf
RDR2 Playable John is literally just an Arthur reskin , I mean look at his head, is literally Arthur’s model.
I mean, they did the same thing with Jack in RDR1.
@Thepeacemaker True. Adding to your point, it makes more sense given that there was less to work with in that generation of consoles, plus there’s no other reference for what an adult Jack would look like… and if anything, it makes sense he’d look like his parents while meanwhile John and Arthur have no familial relation.
@@ThePutridMoldyman That's because John and Jack are closely related.
@@ThePutridMoldyman sure the model is the same but the goddamm hair is also different, Jack's hair is longer and looks like John's 1899 hair meanwhile John's hair is shorter so there is difference
Rockstar was lazy here
Rockstar really did John dirty in RDR2. Not just in hair styles etc, but they took away almost everything that made him unique in RDR1 and gave it to Arthur.
Agreed
The only greatest thing they ever did to John was bringing his original voice actor, his classic outfit & his old deadeye sound.
How dare they disrespect our man John like this.
glad the still kept he's voice
Because they couldn't care less, is a real shame.
never even noticed any of this, now i cant unsee it.
fuck.
Welcome to the club.
Drunk me vs sober me remind me, he looks good rn
Did you not play the first rdr? How did you not notice any of this? He looks way off the very first time he shows in the epilogue when he’s skinny as a rail and has short hair along with an Arab beard. John was straight ruined after the final chapter.
did someone piss in your cereal?
@@Graysoneli2 no but I believe someone pissed in your eyes 🤷♂️
Nah, John found a body double to replace him. You honestly think he would be able to spend so many years with Abigail without going insane...? John's in Tahiti.
@@Ma1q444 you missed the joke HARD
I think we are playing Rip Van Winkle or Jim Milton and John really was in Tahiti
with gavin
@@doughboywhine can confirm
@BIG BLACK MAN GAMING it was so obvius, nobody noticed that
That's not John Marston that's Jorthur Morston
Man its just sad to see Rockstar neglect one of their best characters 😔 we can only hope they actually recognise and fix the issues
@Ghost Gamer 2005 Geez man, just accept is not him. If it doesn't make any difference to you, okay. But don't lie or put your hand on the fire for an enterprise that made an online mode and just forgot it with 6 months of no new content
Bruh it's just his hair it's not like they neglected him bruu
@@prod_revo Yeah, they were just lazy since his original model is in the game files
@@prod_revo "buT HIs VoMiTIng animatIONS Are tHE SamE aS ArTHur'S"
Playing the game through 3 times, I always thought there was something off about John's epilogue hair, just knew it was different but didn't care much.
The other complaints in this video are just goofy af.
@@SHADOWxSN1PER yes
i think the main problem was the hair growth system, thats why they had to change the head type, and because of that they had to change the body type too, but instead of trying to fix john npc body to work in the epilogue, they decided to use arthurs whole body for him, making him look a bit more thinner but with the same body type as arthur, the only thing that is from john is his textures, yea that was the worst decision they made in this game.
they would have to make a new hair growth system for john because arthurs hair had some issues with his head type, so instead they decided to be lazy, and just changed his body to arthurs and his hair
@@iamthespy928 Actually Arthur's hair works just fine on NPC John's body and on 1.00 John had his own body. It's just for no reason they gave him Arthur's head shape and then with updates they made him look exactly like Arthur
@@BeatleHarrison 1.00 had a werd hair bug, were you could see johns original hair, and i think that was the reason why they changed the head shape to arthurs.
@@iamthespy928 Actually Epilogue John has always had Arthur's head shape while 1899 had his own headshape. That glitch you mention is because originally they were gonna give John different hair lengths and his own hair on Arthur's head model but when they cut it they forgot to remove the scalp so it would sometimes appear out of nowhere
Still no excuse, a multi-billion dollar company isn't supposed to be that lazy and neglecting a beloved character
Yeah i was always thrown off... they lazy half ass retextured Arthur's model to be john but the facial structure and body is way off
Leaving us with.... Jarthur
Arthon
Wait, is it really just a retexture of arthur? Why the heck didn't they just use the John NPC? I thought that's pretty much what they used since he has the same walking style, and if I'm not mistaken, when you model change to John, you actually change into a main character that can be customized, unlike npcs.
@@kenz2756 It's just Arthur's character model with John's face. All they did was make the hair black and made him slightly skinnier
@@kenz2756 Watch the video
@@StuartLugsden I did, couldn't hear what exactly he said because of his accent when he talked about what rockstar altered about John. But still, why would they make him more arthur?
I just dont understand why they could've not keep his premier rdr2 look before the game was released. The screenshots was just amazing seeing his rdr1 look in rdr2 graphics engine.
Yeah, by pre release and cut animations, hairstyle etc they were definitely planning to make the pre release version the John we play as. We can only assume that they ran out of time and so couldn't fix any issues that resulted with this model so resorted to a John/Arthur hybrid that could be completed in time. Its a shame, though, that with the 2 years worth of time they've had after release, they haven't bothered to fix this/implement the real John.
Part of me wishes they had delayed RDR2 another year, as I feel John's issues wouldn't exist, all the glitches present on day 1 would mostly be resolved and the Online would've launched a whole lot better. They could have won GOTY too! But we can only hope Rockstar gets their finger out their arse and fixes Johns issues and makes better and more consistent online updates.
@@mrmarston1624 I know for a fact they won't fix any of that. They don't care. We're just cattle to milk dry with endless microtransactions and shitty copy paste online updates
@@mrmarston1624 Yeah I wouldn’t mind waiting an extra year to get the John we needed.
@@mrmarston1624 This is the most reasonable explanation but we both know they won't fix it
@@AlenP996 This too they don't care about singleplayer nor do they care about online honestly
finally someone points out the "trash bag gloves". that was the very first thing I noticed when John put on his classic outfit, like wtf was rockstar thinking. there's even some slightly smaller gloves (that are still pretty f***ing oversized in their own right) of the same style but Rockstar didn't make those officially part of the outfit for some reason.
If you do the research you'll find that John had a perfect outfit, hair and even RDR1 aiming animations, and it's all finished. For some odd reason they put in MORE work to make the Arthur Marston abomination. I just hope one day they give us the real John
@@mrmarston1624
Saw your rts on Twitter.
Pisses me off so much that R* did this to John 😒
The Arthur Morgan esc body is mostly due to the model being developed by Rdr2. Since Johns body during the main story is way thinner and way more similar to John you can add things such as preset hair, etc. but if you try to add preset hair to the model and rig it to have it grow and have the beard grow and also have more customization that doesn’t even fit the model since most of the clothing is rigged for Arthur then you have the problem with Rdr2 john where he is literally a slightly slim morph of Arthur because they could not work with having to try and remodel everything
@@noblechief4023 this is all nonsense and goes right out the window as evidenced by the John Marston Restoration Project mod
@@stars111535 that mod ADDS johns hair. it isnt apart of the original hair growing model. john cant have that hair since it wont grow and it would take weeks/months to recreate a hair rig specifically for john marston
Finally, someone's talking about this
Shut up
People been talking about for ages
People still need to talk about adding online weapons to single player and the ability to remove the offhand Holster
@@thewarden4798 why its better keeping it
@@nevr2bfamu41 ?
At least they changed the sprinting animation from Arthur’s sprint. He does start off with that frantic run at first like arthur’s run buh then runs with his arms to his side and in a formal way
Apparently that's how Johns actor runs in real life, his wife makes fun of him about it
@@ScootyPuffJrSux Lol poor bastard!
they changed to john´s dead eye sounds aswell
@@ScootyPuffJrSux He broke his foot when he was younger, he mentioned it an interview.
That is literally how underweight arthur runs
Always annoyed me how none of John's outfits from the Arthur portion of the game are accessible when you finally get to play as John
1899: young john marston
Epilogue: Juan Martin
RDR1: john marston
i wish his pants werent as wide as hell, they need to be like his 1899 outfits were it wasnt so much space between his leg and his pants
This video was great, perfectly sumed up a lot of his modelling issues from Rockstar, as well as consistency inacuraccies. Great job Codez
Thankyou bro!
Another issue is that when you play as John and start a mission that was also playable with Arthur, they have the absolute same dialogs and even the same trejets and features when speaking. Like the second mission with Charlotte, where you teach her how to shoot, they both say "I know a thing or two about shooting a gun", and so it goes...
Yes, it’s the same with all of them. The only difference is the fossils quest I believe
This is annoying, but I can forgive it now as they really cant just rehire the actor to do work for a few scenes, but Johns appearance can be fixed quickly so I just cant forgive it.
@@mrmarston1624 I don't think they'll any major changes like that anymore
I would have liked it if they had johns hairstyle as default but still have Arthur’s hairstyles as a side option
Nice name dude lol
@@LabOfCodez okay that’s a weird comment
@@Cody-ps3wyno it isn't???
Rockstar can patch this so easily, but they won't sadly
Sad, but true
At the beginning of RDR2 John's frozen horse has a unique saddle and Old Boy has a unique saddle and sadly neither of them are used when riding Rachel when she becomes available nor are they available at the stable.
They are available at stables though you just have to recreate them, the saddles he uses are just normal saddles that are customized not unique
@@Schwagg69 I want the exact saddles I don''t want a bland customised version. You can get 2 of Johns unique weapons so we should be allowed to get his truly unique saddles.
@@StuartLugsden - Exactly, I am annoyed and I've never played RDR 1 :(
John's frozen horse saddle was badass, it had JM (his initials) on it and it's a shame you can't obtain it as a regular saddle.
@@islamicjoker5127 There should have been an objective where we are told to unstrap the saddle from the dead horse and put it on the back of Arthur's temporary horse and once they're out of the snow it becomes Old Boy's saddle. The second one should have been the one he uses when riding Rachel. Also, in my headcanon the thoroughbred he uses at the beginning use to belong to Davey Callander because Javier doesn't call the horse by it's name he just says it was the one John was using when they fled Blackwater which means, like Arthur, he lost his personal horse in the massacre.
2 years later, and Rockstar still doesn't give a damn about this. The most annoying thing is that his original model is in the game files in the main story, but removed once you start playing him.
They are too busy meatriding GTA Online to give af
They did John dirty in the epilogue, the gloves just look plain goofy. I just decided to use black riding gloves because they look more accurate to the first game.
i wish we could have more clothing options like removing the offhand holster, guess i’m sticking to outfit mods
when removable 2 holster is in the shitty online mode and not in the glorious singleplayer
@@PepeBote11a yes the offhand holster and satchel is the worse,destroying good pinkerton outfits
And the satchel. Please, the satchel. The strap is always breaking the aesthetic of an outfit. I don't care if he stuffs pelts or whatever into an invisible satchel either. Just give us the option to remove it. Fucking hell man
@@83uwb yep,i dont bother with gunbelt,but satchel,like hosea and dutch they carry their satchel in the horse bag,for using it only for hunting or fishing,i hate the fact we can take off bandolier but not satchel,nobody in the town wears satchel,nowdays i have to use the john pyjamas glitch,the bad thing was the invisble holster making the coat stiff in the side
I wish we can change the colour of the knife holder thing
When you look at John from the 1 game to the 2 you whonde what the hell happened over the course of 4 years from 1907 to 1911
@GAMER CREED yee but he looks like he has seen some shit...well tenknly he has but enyway
Well it is not that ovules because I have played rdr2 more times then you cold say my diat starts now and I have never really noticed
@Ghost Gamer 2005 But John is Skinner and less tough, John nose is different and hair is nearly the same.
Probably Abigail's nagging aged him
@@bonermcstonerjake7123 probably
I hate how RDR2 does a disservice to John when he's playable. He doesn't feel like John and he's not handled with respect. For a game so immensely detailed, Rockstar sure was lazy when letting us play as the OG. Just another reason why all the Arthur lovers have yet to see just how good John is too. Stop sleeping on the man and put some respect on his name, Rockstar.
It is so weird too, as although we call Rockstar lazy, they really do show that they care in the epilogue, like John's cover art pose in jim milton rides again and the RDR1 music. There was even aiming animations for john that resembled how he aimed and held guns in RDR1, but for some reason were unused. They probably ran out of time for release, and since then the devs have probably all been allocated to the online and so makes it hard to allocate time to John's model. Not defending it though, as this shit needs to be fixed
Yeah...
Why did Dan Houser leave? I wonder if it has anything to do with the way Rockstar handles things.
It’s because they replaced him with sjw Mary Sue Sadie Adler
@@Ma1q444 Sadie should die in the next game. Charles should kill her.
He does look alot better in rdr1, and those RDR 2 promo pics of him are probably the closest we ever see to his original look in 2.
Yes, i wanted that Jonh from the promo pics, he looks so badass!!!
I appreciate you covering this subject matter. John's aesthetic just felt a little off, and it kinda confused me.
Another thing that bothered me that maybe you can cover in another video is his voice. Rob Wiethoff is amazing, but once you're free to explore the open world as John, his performance just feels more... "emotional"? Which is weird to say because acting is supposed to be emotional, haha. But it was odd hearing John have so many highs and lows with his voice. John in the first RDR had such a dry, serious sensibility about him that really made him feel different from Arthur, and I loved it.
It's really bad if you play any side missions that were written for Arthur. He has the exact same lines in all of them and it's just way out of character.
You nailed it buddy. I hate to paraphrase what you just wrote, but it’s so unseemly for this badass with a sense of purpose sound like an uncertain and almost-whiny manchild. And I understand that 4 years is a long time but I doubt it’s enough for him to make that switch in that short of a time. In fact, it would make more sense if the time skip between 1899 and 1907 resulted in said changes (since he’s the breadwinner and no longer has the gang and old guard to use as a crutch).
@@Eight1Eight187 Well I guess he somehow got darker and became handsome
@@blo0dybubble330 not my point at all, but I do not disagree. There’s a reason why Arthur says that he’s “popular with the ladies”
I like to think that's because the first game is when John has a mission, to get his wife and kid back. So in turn he's outwardly cold and collected. But in rdr2 he doesn't have so much of a mission just someone trying to make it in the world and survive.
0:53 , we need original outfits like this. And a feature to get John's old hair, and to unbutton vests.
And to button up coats lol
"nitpicking"
"theres noting wrong with him"
"he was younger of course he's going to look different!"
"it's because of updated graphics!"
I swear those saying this never watched the video
Bruh he is not picking and this video is really dumb is like their bigger fish to fry than just complaing about a fucking character model cause that's all he's doing in case you haven't noticed btw it's a 5m video mean this was just all made for likes
@@zlyexe1736 Ok then don't watch the video then?
@@BeatleHarrison ikr
@GAMER CREED Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with age. The John you play as in rdr2 is Arthur with John's face. It has nothing to do with John being young
@GAMER CREED your hair doesn't go from jet black to brown also his hair is identical to Arthur's all they should have done is used pre epilogue John's hair but no
Turns out Arthur can go to new Austin without glitches he is just disguised as john👍
I just dont care. Rdr1 john was the best. Idk why rockstar ruined his face in rdr2.
I mean with graphical upgrades of course the faces are going to become more detailed. Epilogue is an L though.
@@pandogstudios1512 More detailed doesn't exactly mean completely different face.
@@sulkii9437 It's not completely different though. You can totally It's supposed to be the same person pre epilogue. He just looks younger. It's not an Abigail situation.
Funnily enough he suffers the same problem that Jack did in the 1st game, Rockstar took the model of the 2nd playable character and just fused it on the 1st. Jack ended up looking like a weird old man instead of a fresh young gunslinger, I think he may have entirely shared most of not all of Johns animations. The effects in RDR2 is you have this very strange, almost beefy looking John that was pretty obviously slapped on Arthur’s original model. It’s understandable that in RDR1 it was the way it was, Jack didn’t really have too much to do outside of the occasional stranger mission or journal challenge after his pretty brief story hunting down Ross. John has a ton story of content and cutscenes in the epilogue, you will be looking at him for hours. I have no idea how they let this happen. I know it’s nitpicky but we looked at a John that looked like John the entire game up until we got to play as him. It really irks me lmao.
Mr Morgan, maybe because the epilogue took place in 1907? I think John made the scar near his left eye between 1907-1911. Or did he get those scars because he got mauled by a wolf in 1899? Edit 2022: Of course he got the iconic scars by being mauled by a wolf in 1899!
This is the best video about this subject i've seen on youtube.
Thanks bro!
Agreed, it's well-fleshed out and covers the entire history of the problem and not just 1 area.
When I first saw John in rdr2 I said "who tf is this?"
Two years later and they still didn't fix john bruh
And never will...
Rockstar has the ability to do just about anything they want with their games including giving John his own character model because they're the king of single player games. It's not that they can't do it or don't have the time, they just can't be asked to.
Almost all of John's cowboy outfit looks good it's just changing a few things to make it look better like the gloves you have to change for the ones you get with Arthur and the spurs change them for the brown western rider spurs the rest are just details like the shirt on the chest and the open vest on the bottoms. Rockstar can fix everything in John with a simple update but sadly I doubt it will.
It would take less than a day to fixe everything thats wrong with him and they just can't be asked.
Hello!
I know all of us here want John's original hairstyle in the epilogue. I've been writing to developers a lot via the RDO Feedback page about this, but it would be better if a lot more people started writing to them as well. I know there were attempts before and they did not work, but for this type of request we have to keep insisting and not lose hope, I know that Rockstar will add the hairstyle sooner or later but it also depends on us.
So I ask everyone who wants John's original hairstyle to write to Rockstar via the Feedback page.
I repeat, for this to be achieved, we must all unite and insist
But most importantly, we must not lose hope!
Try mods
It’s been 2 years they aren’t going remodel a whole new thing just cause a bunch of people try to annoy their way into it
@@getaloadofthisguy2927 With Rockstar you never know, that's why we don't have to lose faith, I know it's been two years but it's not an impediment for us to give up. John needs these changes and I hope they happen, I know they will fix it sooner or later!
@@getaloadofthisguy2927 Everything is already in the game files, they just refuse to add them
@@BeatleHarrison I think they're going to add them in the next gen version
So sad
But this is over and forgotten
Now only savereddeadonline baddies get their moment to be ignored as well
Thank you rockstar, for making the opposite of what the fans want
Rockstar literally only cares about money
😢
Whenever I try to clear John up, he just ends up looking like Jon Bernthal, he looks like an absolute badass in rdr1. the rugged style suits him
Omds, I’ve been trying to think who he possibly looks like and it’s Jon🤣🤣🤣
The reason they’re doing this is to update the online by downgrading the story mode to make more players the bugline they have
The irony of that is people will just abandon the game rather than move on to the shitty online. I've never seen a game company purposely sabotage their game in order to try and bait people into playing an inferior online mode. It honestly baffles me how stupid their upper tier management is.
What is the point of downgrading the story mode, if they don't even update the online...
Jack - has his father’s hair
John - has Arthur’s hair
Arthur - 😐
lmao
His face is like way too wide too. His shoulders are too wide, arms too big, and legs too skinny. Hate to say it, but the voice seemed off too. In RDR1 John had a deep voice but now in RDR2 it’s always a weird forced yell.
I noticed that too and I keep trying to tell myself they're the same, but I just can't
I heard that the original voice actor for John is a heavy smoker so even though RDR2 is meant to be prequel, his voice sounds more rough
That's what marriage does to a man pardner
@@Phykes_ well John seems like a heavy smoker too. Probably smokes about as much as anyone in the turn of the century so his voice kinda works
@@evilroberto4024 yeah, but it just doesn't make sense that he has more of smoker's voice in the prequel
Some of the pictures in this were hilarious and some were just horrifying!
I don't wanna play as John Morgan , I miss John Marston
I really thought I was the only person who thought this. Driving me crazy
Nope, a whole community out here with you brother
@@LabOfCodez makes me happy. Just wish rockstar gave a shit man. Ima just keep on playing. Red dead 1
@@klepTeevee they do give a shit stop crying, we’ve been blessed with the best game ever made just enjoy it
@@jacobhamilton4924 if they honestly gave a shit, this wouldn't have been an issue on release, and still be an issue 2 years later.
@@mrmarston1624 just have fun with the game
God I just want to play as Chapters 1-6 John.
You should make another video going into depth of John originally having his own 1907 player model in the beta, with his original clothes, hair, etc.
Ps another issue I found is that John Marston is missing dialogue when sprinting with his horse. Like no yeehaw or lest go boah audio. It's there but only activates when horse stamina is near low.
Also when you calm your horse they are only like 3 voice lines
They've broken the epilogue and it was clearly rushed before release, sadly.
@@mrmarston1624
Sad business...Hopefully they fix it for the remastered version.
jack say the yeehaw
a lot of variations theres a video
the voice of jack marston
they should use the new actor(12yo jack) for RDR3 older one sounds... well...
@@mrmarston1624yeah and New Austin is a empty wasteland
Arthur with black hair
1999 John looks way better than epilogue john
1899
@@presidentofpissrael2667 ah didn't notice I put 19 lol
I don't know how these people watch the video and still say nothing wrong with him
The thing is: Rockstar doesnt listen to feedback like this after they release their game, They just leave as it is cuz they feel like it, There are some Life improvement changes that would be AMAZING like: No auto pick weapons, Make John John again not a John Morgan Mix, Better weight system and also Fix the god damn beard dammit, A year later and i still have not been able to grow a max beard
rockstar never really listened to anybody...and maybe its for the best
You should make a new save file (or start a new game) to normally grow max beard or use the Van Horn glitch.
I wish they gave us rifle holster from rdr1 because I hate getting my guns from horse.
@Keknov I prefer that over off hand holster tbh.
Someone just found John's bowie knife and RDR1 gunbelt in the game files.
Great video. I used to be part of the group and was pretty happy when we hunted for his hair in the files. The closest console players can experience his hair is playing as his NPC model using save editing. As for when rockstar will fix this. I doubt it, it’s been two years since this whole event occurred and They won’t do a thing. I am however happy that along the way I made some great friends. Those who are even mentioned in this video :)
1899: johnny boy
1908: puberty
1911: adult
1907*
@@UnknownPerson-2004Arthur Marston
All I want Rockstar to add is more clothes, clothing options, and style options for singleplayer and a second character slot for RDR2 Online. Also, they should really fix his original outfit to look more like the one in rdr1. They should add underarm shoulder gun holsters, ponchos and give you the option to take of your satchel and even holster. Oh ye, and add FUCKING Mexico and/or Undead Nightmare. They are milking GTA way too much, RDR2 Online and singleplayer can be something very big and even better if they listened to fans or actually cared about the game.
He looks up to his brother so much he literally became him
I can't get over how bad they fucked up john and his clothing.
Fr first they changed Arthur’s ending to shredding tears (He was supposed to survive) Now they decided to ruin John? Man this is horseshit.
@@FoldBlox wait a minute? Are you saying that Arthur was going to survive in the endgame? Where did you see that information?
@@thedrifter1446No he wasn’t don’t listen to them. He was meant to die since the beginning
@@FoldBloxHe was never supposed to survive were did you even get that from???
@@FoldBlox That was false content. He was supposed to die
Tbh it seemed like they rushed on John Marston in Rdr 2.
The epilogue as a whole was rushed, they most likely ran out of time to fix any issues that arose with John's 1907 model, so instead of launching the game with a buggy model, or delaying the game, they decided to make him an arthur/john hybrid, which wasn't that bad on release. Sadly since then patches have made him Arthur with John's face, but they are most likely too busy with online to fix it unfortunately:(
Great video!! Hope this blows up.
Thankyou bro! I appreciate this 🙏
Marston26521 here. This is a fantastic video. Easily the best I’ve seen on the topic. Keep up the great work 👍
Am I the only one that thought that John, in the promo art, looked eerily similar to Daryl from The Walking Dead? If you didn’t see it, now you do
Those worng John pics were hilarious dude
I really doubt that Rockstar will ever listen to us, yet I still have some hope...
+ Good video by the way, you made me hate John even more. 😂
Ahahaha, deep down I think we all still have a little bit of hope! Thankyou and I’m sorry for making you hate him even more! 🤣
gtav, settings not saving, r* havent updated it, kiss your hopes goodbye.. try hunt: showdown...
Why would they? They sold out to corps ( take two interactive ) and they only care about gta online. They invested some time into red dead online for a little bit but the online sucks imo.
at least Rockstar aren't like ubisoft
we will get it one day we just need to have some *GODDAMN F A I T H*
So back when rockstar was still updating the game, they focused on “fixing” john, instead of working on improving the utterly broken witness and bounty system?
They never fixed him but if they had the way the character you literally play as and see all the time is more important than a law system that nobody even notices is bugged
They gotta update John and make him look how he did in the story
This is what happens when game companies try to make the new game the old game and the old game the new one
Great video man!
There is an everday shirt that looks close enough to rdr1 John's shirt expect it has patterns but right color.
The everyday shirt looks really good but it's too white and the John shirt have the right color but its inacurate in the chest
@@fernandovelazquezgonzalez4169 I wasn't talking about that everday shirt if u go down u will find a beige shirt patterns
Nothing bothers me more than the fact he has arthurs hair and arthurs face
And Arthurs puke voice
The only explanation is that since this game is a prequel, it would make sense if he looked a bit different. It could be that he looked younger but I’m guessing that the developers wanted him to get a new look.
I thought I was crazy seeing something off about him when I first played the game. Glad to know I wasn’t crazy
You don't get your dead friends body eyes hair etc though lol
There is no excuse of him looking different when they clearly just made him look like Arthur's model.
@@DeadX2hahahaha exactly
I still find it hilarious they put so much thought into this game that even John has a different art and writing style in the journal for HUNDREDS of entries. Yet this simple fix they can’t do
It's just arthur with a john marston skin and voice.
Not just the look, but John's voice also feels a little off in RDR2. He talks like a normal person in RDR1 but in RDR2 he is like silent screaming the whole time.
Many people have used the excuse saying that his voice actor has been smoking a shit ton which is why he sounds different. But that's not the case, Rob's voice is exactly the same as it was in 2010 the reason it sounds different is because John yells alot more in RDR2 rather than speaking in his calm smart ass voice in the first game. There are many instances in RDR2 where he sounds exactly like he did im RDR1.
@@fredster594 Thank you. Finally. The reason for this, I've pondered, is because the voice over directors or whoever was in charge of directing the actors probably emphasized to Rob that John is a younger, brasher, angrier, impatient man. So his delivery is indicative of that. And I have to commend rockstar for that detail. However, aside from sacrificing his character model for the sake of time, the problem is that there is still something missing from his personality that convincingly portrays him being closer to his 38 year old self in rdr 1. I just wish his delivery in 1907 was a little more pulled back. Not much. Jussst enough to insinuate that this man has not only been affected by Arthur's actions, but Arthurs mind as well because John has his former comrades journal. I never see anyone comment on this detail. That's why I don't ever read Arthurs journal when I play as him in chapters 1-6 of the game. It enhances the experience of revisiting all the old event sites as John.
If he didn’t have the scar you wouldn’t be able to tell it’s him
Facts man the scar and the voice are almost the only differences between vanilla Epilogue John and Arthur
Easily agree
In your next video you should talk about how Cochinay, the areas around Cochinay, Blackwater and Thieves Landing are underdeveloped in the epilogue.
Well Thieves Landing is simple, it just hasn't expanded to the island yet.
@@blakecacini8016 An area like that doesn’t develop THAT quickly.
I mean me having a PC makes it not an issue since I have John’s original hair modded plus facial changes. Too bad there’s no mod support for consoles, but overall I wasn’t dissatisfied over some hair when I played it originally on console when it first came out
I used to be on console but now I play PC... his hair irritated tf out of me on console but I’ve got mods now
@@LabOfCodez I never got irritated with it.. but what really bothered me was how skinny he would be unless you put him at overweight which was fine too. Of course on PC I have the original hair because I agree, it does look more badass but when I was on console I’d just give him a different haircut than Arthur
A way for them to quickly fix it would be claiming that John's current model gives you free gold in RDO and that they should fix it by giving him a model closer to RDR 1.
sigma male rdr1 john vs beta male rdr2 john
Why are people so mad, the one we play as in the epilogue is Rip Wan Winkle not John Marston
That might be just the stupidest reason to justify Arthur Marston
I always wondered why John's face is different
i installed jmrp as soon as installed the game because someone recommended it to me. I completely forgot about it and was horrified to find out what actual epilogue john looks like.
It’s just weird that even though there’s so much detail in rdr2. They forgot about John
I remember playing as John a few months ago and then I stopped playing for awhile and then I played the game again and when I would shoot someone and it went into that cool slomo of him shooting he looked awful like he did at 1:16 . Why would they do that??
Red Dead Redemption: Classic John Marston
Undead Nightmare: Undead John Marston
RDR2 Main Story: Young John Marston
RDR2 Epilogue: Cursed John Marston
I like to think that somehow we are shown the happiest moment in his life when we get to play as him, while thinking about in rdr1 he is like living a fucking nightmare so his face resembles more the cold and dark moment he is living.