Regarding the the use of historical photographs, remember that back then it was a rather huge deal, one might only be photographed once in a lifetime, so people were always looking their absolute best in them. It doesn't reflect what they looked like on your average day.
Jesus loves you John 3;16 he is salvation come to him and be saved we've all sinned and deserve hell but jesus paid the price for our sin so whoever belive in him will not perish but have eternal life Do you like the prodigal and return to God son he sinned against the father God and ran away from him and sinned agianst the father but he came back The father was so happy to have him back that while he was still a long ways off he ran towards him and embraced him Back then distinguished men wouldn't run as it was seen as disgraceful but the father loved the son so much and was so happy to have him back he ran towards him anyway and when he did he took him back into his family with open arms even slaughtering the fat and cow which was a big deal only killed for specail occasions which they had been preparing That's how God will be if you come back to him because he loves you and just wants to have you back (This story is in luke 15:11-33) You are valuable and your life does have a purpose God made you perfectly in his image and he is a plan for your life Jesus loves you john 3:16 fear THE lord he died for your sins so that whoever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life and escape hell no one will enter heaven by living a good life but though true faith in him we will be saved We've all sinned and deserve hell but jesus paid the pricePLEASE PRAY THIS PRAYER FORM THE HEART AND TRLUY MEAN IT AND YOULL BE SAVED Prayer for giving your life to Christ Lord I recognise I am a sinner In need of the Savoir And I trust in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Who is God come in human form to die for my sins And I confess my sins to you Asking for forgiveness Asking that you would make me a new creation and fill me with the Holy Spirit Lord I want to live for you from this Day forward Asking you would guide me To live and follow your commandments So I trust you Lord in Your life death and resurrection from this Day forward In Jesus name AmenYou are valuable and your life does have a purpose God made you perfectly in his image and he is a plan for your life Jesus loves you john 3:16 fear THE lord he died for your sins so that whoever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life and escape hell no one will enter heaven by living a good life but though true faith in him we will be saved We've all sinned and deserve hell but jesus paid the pricePLEASE PRAY THIS PRAYER FORM THE HEART AND TRLUY MEAN IT AND YOULL BE SAVED Prayer for giving your life to Christ Lord I recognise I am a sinner In need of the Savoir And I trust in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Who is God come in human form to die for my sins And I confess my sins to you Asking for forgiveness Asking that you would make me a new creation and fill me with the Holy Spirit Lord I want to live for you from this Day forward Asking you would guide me To live and follow your commandments So I trust you Lord in Your life death and resurrection from this Day forward In Jesus name Amen come to christ before it's to late We've all sinned and deserve hell only though faith in him will we be saved the time is short,till his return he offer,you,salvation don't deny it and reject itJesus loves you he is salvation from hell and his come to him and be saved no matter what you've been through no matter what you've done Jesus still loves you and died for your sins and will take you back with open arms
I think something important to remember is that John's very old fashioned for his time. RDR1 takes place in 1911. 1899 was really pushing it for cowboys and outlaws, but 1911 is just 3 years before WW1. Machines are being automated, cars aren't a fad and are quickly becoming an everyday sight, airplanes are a thing and they're gonna start dropping bombs soon, the roaring 20s are less than 10 years away. Everything about John is really kinda dated for his time
Yes but historians do say the "wild west" only truly died around the late 1920 early 30s, so apparently there were still parts untamed almost up until World War 2, so it's not a stretch.
@@sneakysnake7695 People outside of North America don't understand just how truly goddamn massive Canada and America are. Its extremely believable to think that large portions of the land around the base of the east side of the Rockies was just not nearly as settled as the other areas. Parts that could still be considered the "frontier".
I love how there a camp interactions that show he stills loves abigail and jack,he just wants to avoid the responsibilitys.He changes for the better when jack is kidnapped. Edit:Also,even in early chapters at his worst,he calls out dutch for his bad behavior and blames him for their problems.He sounds completely through with him by the end of chapter 4.
And likewise with Dutch by the end of Chapter 4, has grown suspicious of him and believes that Abigail has poisoned John against himself. It explains why he was so paranoid of John being the rat at Lemoyne bank job and planned to leave him to swing in Chapter 6.
john’s durability is almost cartoonish. it’s insane. obviously johns pretty muscular, but he is a lanky lean fella, second tallest in the gang (besides daddy dutch) so you’d expect him to be… ‘brittle’ i guess.
@@cantnevercould9660that's literally just gameplay... each male NPC in its generality are built off the exact measurements of height to save resources etc. there are moments or snippets where a playable character is described, to which Arthur is usually & or typically described as a 'big man' there's always emphasis on the 'big man' on Arthur which doesn't just mean that he's bulky with a mesomorphic build at 5'10 - 5'11... with John on the other hand, his proportional representation via the opening (& many but not all times in cutscenes) shows that he isn't exactly 5'10 - 5'11, however in gameplay then it'd seem like that considering how games are built off regarding designing the measurements if each character, especially in an open-world game.
I've been screwing around with the idea of a John Marston playthrough of Fallout New Vegas, so the question of if he would survive the Fallout wasteland, as presented in the poll, is something I'm genuinely interested in. Nonetheless, yay, the grand sequel to "how historically accurate is Arthur Morgan" exists now and John apparently is too.
In the late 1800s and early 1900s, men who wanted to appear as gentlemanly as possible had very short hair. As well as professional public servants, clerk owners, and most jobs dealing with people on a regular basis
3:53 He also got beaten by the Mexican Army, won a fist fight against Aquila (that guy in Ridgewood farm who was built like a bear and got mad that John shot his hat), and in Undead Nightmare, got away walking after experiencing a train crash. Not to mention he kept standing after being shot 20+ times before dropping dead.
John is like 6’4 in rdr1. When you’re in town or at a farm he towers over everyone and outfits show off his physique and the simpleton is ripped. The 4 years he spent at Beacher’s Hope took the scrawny raspy little boy we are handed after Arthur dies and turned him into a unit
John is not 6'4". Firstly, that would've made him about 8 - 10 inches taller than most of the male characters, which is not the case. Secondly, John is not that much taller than Javier who's said to be about 5'8". While John is probably taller than average, he's not 6'4". He's most likely not even 6'0".
Would be amazing if you’d cover the legend himself dutch van der linde Always wondered if the harsh circumstances of the old west can give birth to a maniac like him
the actors for john dutch and arthur gave their characters specific heights in an interview dutch 6'0 arthur 5'10 john 5'10 its not their real l ife sizes but its been confirmed canon
It's never easy to marry duche cinema stereotypical references and actual historical reality for a character at that time, but I think the result is to me is a perfect rack, never too ridiculous nor too believable to grasp the exaggeration from western media.
Whenever comparing to photos from the time, you have to keep in mind that photography at the time was still a new thing and quite expensive, so people getting photographs (unless it was at a worksite or taken for legal records such as prison intake etc.) would have more often then not tried to go out of their way to clean and 'pretty up' to look their best for their pictures. It's not like today where most pictures are casual and on the fly with little preparation outside of special occasions, almost every photo back then was a special occasion. It's likely most men shaved before getting pictures, stubble was likely very common most of the time. Same with neatly styled hair. Hair was probably loose and unkempt most of the time, especially when working.
Bro, you are absolutely COOKING on the editing. I also won’t be able to comment or see your videos for a while so I wish you look on your channel and series
Spencer carbines in 1899, 1907 or 1911 would have been heavily obsolete, the US Military stopped using them after the Civil War because they wanted to streamline ammunition after having dozens on dozens of calibers from the ACW. That being said they would have been sold off as surplus,
John Marston resonated so well with me due to how he seemed like the perfect blend of every cowboy from every western I ever saw. To this day, his character is so perfect, I have never once felt a need to play Red Dead Redemption 2.
see, you got the same feeling everybody else did before RDR2. "Man, John is the best character ever". But let me tell you, as someone who was in the exact same boat, RDR2 was unbelievably good. Like, Arthur is the best video game protagonist and maybe even character I have ever experienced.
@@realdaggerman105 I've seen enough of the game to know there are definitely some awesome things about Arthur, but I'm not trying to ruin something that was so perfect to begin with.
Something else to note: most people in the Old West wore their gun holsters much higher up than we see in games and films, to allow them to draw them faster.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember at the beginning of chapter one it mentions that John was wounded by a bullet when they escaped the Blackwater heist, so yeah... The bastard is tough to kill.
Agreed. Starkly different characterizations and body types. No a shade on the video or the creator by any means by I would've loved to see this video more with a consistently written John across both games.
@@pandagamer3184 Technically, no, they aren't. But characterization-wise (yeah, I've heard the retorts, I don't agree it's character development) and appearance wise, it's as if they are.
@@themadtitan7603 lowest weight john in rdr2 is pretty accurate to rdr1. Also keep in mind john is not in the best headspace and probably does not sleep a lot in rdr1 making him look older in the face.
2:00 John is Scottish 5:50 John took his first life at 11 and died at 38, Wes Hardin took his first life at 15 and died at 42 meaning they both killed for 27 years.
Marston apparently means “Town in a marsh” what exactly the guy who came up with giving that name to his kid and what rockstar intended probably will never be answered I guess. Extra odd since most of the game takes in a desert. I don’t think the scars are accurate, those look like claw scratches and dogs, especially wolves are not known to use claws to hunt, only bites, hence they don’t retract like cat claws, which are used as weapons. If it was a bite rip it would have to be square. And that brings the question why didn’t they just go for his neck as they’re meant to if they could reach his head.
Billy the kid turned informant and was betrayed. The fact you didnt find that in your research is crazy. He testified for the state and governor of arizona promised immunity, sheriff still shot him in the dark without declaring himself.
John's height is never specifically stated to be 5'10". People often use "Made Up Characters Wiki" as a source, but information on that site is non-canon. However, 5'10" - 5'11" is a plausible height for John. In the RDR1 mission "Landon Ricketts Rides Again" John mentions that Javier is 5'8". When John and Javier are standing next to each other in "Gates of El Presidio" they seem fairly similar in height, though John in slightly crouching. In addition, Benjamin Byron Davis (Dutch's voice actor) stated that Dutch was canonically 6 foot, which is significantly above average for men at the time (the average male height in that timeframe would be anywhere between 5'6" - 5'8"). In most scenes, Dutch appears to be taller than most male characters, including John and Arthur. So while John and Arthur are certainly above average for the timeframe, they're not 6 foot.
Arthur is 6’ 1 (185 cm) a little smaller than Dutch who is 6’2 foot (188cm) John is 5’11 (179 cm) it makes sense because in a lot of missions in RD2 the people who know arthur and see John says that Arthur was taller . and we know dutch is the tallest
@@Nocoincidoconfichajesdelfutbol Like I said, you got this information from "Made-Up Characters Wiki" which is a site that contains non-canon information. Benjamin Byron Davis specifically said that Dutch was 6'0". That information is canon because it came directly from an actor (voice and mo-cap). If Arthur really was 6'1", then he would tower over almost everyone in the game. But he doesn't. He's also not that much taller than Javier, who's 5'8". Arthur is most likely around the 5'10" - 5'11" range, which would be above average male height in 1899.
Honestly the way that Dutch's gang differs from gangs of the time is almost like a cult, only he didn't have them doing strange things that would be out of the ordinary for gang activity. He was kind of a central personality that a group of people gathered around ideologically. Like a lot of cults though, eventually the idealism meets a reality check, and it all fell apart. I don't think Dutch's gang is implausible along this line of thinking. He's a charismatic man with a strong vision for what freedom means and it spoke to people who were vulnerable like orphans and those who are othered or ostracized, he is skirting that line between gang leader and cult leader.
Duke showcase: The Grand Green gunslinger Green bowler hat Green shotgun coat (Optional) black Thompson vest White stand-collar overshirt Dark brown fancy pants Dark brown fine leather suspenders Brown and black multi-tone half chaps Brown deluxe QuickDraw boots Dark Brown & silver gerden rider spurs Dark green dress tie Black riding gloves Upgraded gun belt Upgraded primary holsters Upgraded off hand holster No bandolier Remove satchel using rampage Level 6 handlebar mustache Level 0 chin Level 0 sideburns Level 4 left parted fade with pomade (In some lights the outfit can look black to show the green I would recommend the light of beechers hope)
I'm actually starting my 2nd playthrough of RDR2, and apparently, during the Blackwater Massacre, Javier mentions that John got shot, as well as Davey and Mac Callender, though it could be put up to debate due to the fact there's no evidence or other mentions of John being shot other than this one piece of dialogue, and if anyone's wondering, I'm talking about the 'Enter, Pursued by a Memory' mission in Chapter 1
actually arthurs hat is beaver pelt and not leather, the reason it looks like leather is because cowboys/outlaws would put oil mostly reptile oil which makes the pelt more durable and gave arthurs hat that leathery look.
A good dlc for rdr2 would probably be all the way back to when Arthur was first adopted by Dutch and Hosea, and they could have a time skip of 5 or 6 years each skip being an hour or 2 of story content with 30 minutes or so worth of side content for each time skip all the way until we get to a couple months to a year before the ferry heists. Thats just an idea I thought would be interesting.
yeah maybe johns loyalty is inaccurate but im sure finding a bad bitch with an attitude like abigail in the 1800s was like finding a mechanical pencil on the classroom floor
The long awaited sequel to how historically accurate is Arthur Morgan
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now we just need to wait for how historically accurate is uncle
@@dukemeiser19 bro Gambit was so funny
Oh lawd I’ abo ta make a name for myself
Regarding the the use of historical photographs, remember that back then it was a rather huge deal, one might only be photographed once in a lifetime, so people were always looking their absolute best in them. It doesn't reflect what they looked like on your average day.
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Jesus loves you John 3;16 he is salvation come to him and be saved we've all sinned and deserve hell but jesus paid the price for our sin so whoever belive in him will not perish but have eternal life Do you like the prodigal and return to God son he sinned against the father God and ran away from him and sinned agianst the father but he came back The father was so happy to have him back that while he was still a long ways off he ran towards him and embraced him Back then distinguished men wouldn't run as it was seen as disgraceful but the father loved the son so much and was so happy to have him back he ran towards him anyway and when he did he took him back into his family with open arms even slaughtering the fat and cow which was a big deal only killed for specail occasions which they had been preparing That's how God will be if you come back to him because he loves you and just wants to have you back (This story is in luke 15:11-33)
You are valuable and your life does have a purpose God made you perfectly in his image and he is a plan for your life Jesus loves you john 3:16 fear THE lord he died for your sins so that whoever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life and escape hell no one will enter heaven by living a good life but though true faith in him we will be saved We've all sinned and deserve hell but jesus paid the pricePLEASE PRAY THIS PRAYER FORM THE HEART AND TRLUY MEAN IT AND YOULL BE SAVED
Prayer for giving your life to Christ
Lord I recognise I am a sinner In need of the Savoir And I trust in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Who is God come in human form to die for my sins And I confess my sins to you Asking for forgiveness Asking that you would make me a new creation and fill me with the Holy Spirit Lord I want to live for you from this Day forward Asking you would guide me To live and follow your commandments So I trust you Lord in Your life death and resurrection from this Day forward In Jesus name AmenYou are valuable and your life does have a purpose God made you perfectly in his image and he is a plan for your life Jesus loves you john 3:16 fear THE lord he died for your sins so that whoever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life and escape hell no one will enter heaven by living a good life but though true faith in him we will be saved We've all sinned and deserve hell but jesus paid the pricePLEASE PRAY THIS PRAYER FORM THE HEART AND TRLUY MEAN IT AND YOULL BE SAVED
Prayer for giving your life to Christ
Lord I recognise I am a sinner In need of the Savoir And I trust in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Who is God come in human form to die for my sins And I confess my sins to you Asking for forgiveness Asking that you would make me a new creation and fill me with the Holy Spirit Lord I want to live for you from this Day forward Asking you would guide me To live and follow your commandments So I trust you Lord in Your life death and resurrection from this Day forward In Jesus name Amen
come to christ before it's to late We've all sinned and deserve hell only though faith in him will we be saved the time is short,till his return he offer,you,salvation don't deny it and reject itJesus loves you he is salvation from hell and his come to him and be saved no matter what you've been through no matter what you've done Jesus still loves you and died for your sins and will take you back with open arms
Even though John’s loyalty to Abigail is inaccurate, I’m not surprised as finding a dommy mommy like her back then was pretty rare
@@jarrellmarcell5512 truely was a treasure to behold
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@@dukemeiser19 believe me, I’m still looking.
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I think something important to remember is that John's very old fashioned for his time. RDR1 takes place in 1911. 1899 was really pushing it for cowboys and outlaws, but 1911 is just 3 years before WW1. Machines are being automated, cars aren't a fad and are quickly becoming an everyday sight, airplanes are a thing and they're gonna start dropping bombs soon, the roaring 20s are less than 10 years away. Everything about John is really kinda dated for his time
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To be fair John is treated like a time capsule by those around him
That’s kinda the whole point of the story though, like Arthur says, they live in a world that doesn’t want them no more.
Yes but historians do say the "wild west" only truly died around the late 1920 early 30s, so apparently there were still parts untamed almost up until World War 2, so it's not a stretch.
@@sneakysnake7695 People outside of North America don't understand just how truly goddamn massive Canada and America are. Its extremely believable to think that large portions of the land around the base of the east side of the Rockies was just not nearly as settled as the other areas. Parts that could still be considered the "frontier".
I love how there a camp interactions that show he stills loves abigail and jack,he just wants to avoid the responsibilitys.He changes for the better when jack is kidnapped.
Edit:Also,even in early chapters at his worst,he calls out dutch for his bad behavior and blames him for their problems.He sounds completely through with him by the end of chapter 4.
And likewise with Dutch by the end of Chapter 4, has grown suspicious of him and believes that Abigail has poisoned John against himself. It explains why he was so paranoid of John being the rat at Lemoyne bank job and planned to leave him to swing in Chapter 6.
in chapter 3 there is an interaction where john flirts with karen while he’s drunk. they technically weren’t together but yeah that’s… something
@@enthusiasticallydry john got rizz
I thought you said keiran for a second.
@@dukemeiser19The rizz in question: (drunk harassment)
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@@dukemeiser19hi there, I do got rizz
Now all we need is “How Historically Accurate is Jack Marston | Character Analysis”
I have another video fro him that i’ll post a poll about, stay tuned
@@dukemeiser19 noice!
He's basiclly just John with less experience. And no one cares about breaking down if a 12 year old is historicly acurate or not.
@@dukemeiser19 what about Red Harlow?
@@randombalkaner4363 if you’re gonna be a jerk then at least get their age right, he’s 19 the last time we see him.
john’s durability is almost cartoonish. it’s insane. obviously johns pretty muscular, but he is a lanky lean fella, second tallest in the gang (besides daddy dutch) so you’d expect him to be… ‘brittle’ i guess.
John’s body is more focused on tanking bullets than building muscle
Isn’t Arthur taller?
@@Mr92094 nah, he’s just wider
@@Mr92094 John and Arthur appear to be around the same height, 5'10" - 5'11" range.
@@cantnevercould9660that's literally just gameplay...
each male NPC in its generality are built off the exact measurements of height to save resources etc.
there are moments or snippets where a playable character is described, to which Arthur is usually & or typically described as a 'big man' there's always emphasis on the 'big man' on Arthur which doesn't just mean that he's bulky with a mesomorphic build at 5'10 - 5'11...
with John on the other hand, his proportional representation via the opening (& many but not all times in cutscenes) shows that he isn't exactly 5'10 - 5'11, however in gameplay then it'd seem like that considering how games are built off regarding designing the measurements if each character, especially in an open-world game.
I've been screwing around with the idea of a John Marston playthrough of Fallout New Vegas, so the question of if he would survive the Fallout wasteland, as presented in the poll, is something I'm genuinely interested in. Nonetheless, yay, the grand sequel to "how historically accurate is Arthur Morgan" exists now and John apparently is too.
the wasteland idea could be good
what the fuck are you doing here Atomic
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he survived an apocalyptic event before so he definitely would survive
3:53 Standing for 10 seconds without showing he's in any pain after getting shot 20-30 times.
"doesn't e-even hu..."
"Dies"
In the late 1800s and early 1900s, men who wanted to appear as gentlemanly as possible had very short hair. As well as professional public servants, clerk owners, and most jobs dealing with people on a regular basis
"he is attacked by a huge ass, fvcking bear" love this line 😂
it was a pretty big, fucking bear
3:53 He also got beaten by the Mexican Army, won a fist fight against Aquila (that guy in Ridgewood farm who was built like a bear and got mad that John shot his hat), and in Undead Nightmare, got away walking after experiencing a train crash.
Not to mention he kept standing after being shot 20+ times before dropping dead.
@@Rafapb17 john is just him
He also gets shot in the mission at home with dutch altough i reckon he only got hit by his own binoculars
@@Rafapb17 And here I was thinking Max Payne was made of titanium lmao
John is like 6’4 in rdr1. When you’re in town or at a farm he towers over everyone and outfits show off his physique and the simpleton is ripped. The 4 years he spent at Beacher’s Hope took the scrawny raspy little boy we are handed after Arthur dies and turned him into a unit
i doubt he’s 6’4”
@@dukemeiser19 probably not but he’s massive in 1
5’10-5’11 seems about right, he was always shorter then Arthur at 6’1
John is not 6'4".
Firstly, that would've made him about 8 - 10 inches taller than most of the male characters, which is not the case.
Secondly, John is not that much taller than Javier who's said to be about 5'8".
While John is probably taller than average, he's not 6'4". He's most likely not even 6'0".
@@cantnevercould9660 6’4 wasn’t an actual guess as it’s tall for todays standards I was simply saying he seemed massive in rdr1
Still find it surprising how he managed to get his guts ripped out by a bear and walk completely fine a minute later lol
14:50 In Chapter 2, his face is held together with stitches
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Would be amazing if you’d cover the legend himself dutch van der linde
Always wondered if the harsh circumstances of the old west can give birth to a maniac like him
i could soon
@@dukemeiser19 that would honestly be great! I could see there being a series including Dutch, Javier, Bill, Micah, and maybe ending with Abigail tbh
Fun fact: rodger clark/arthur’s actor milton’s voice actor is a decendant of bill hickock.
Nice
the actors for john dutch and arthur gave their characters specific heights in an interview
dutch 6'0
arthur 5'10
john 5'10
its not their real l ife sizes but its been confirmed canon
I know Benjamin Byron Davis said that Dutch was 6'0", but what interview did Roger Clark and Rob Wiethoff say that John and Arthur were 5'10"?
Swear arthur was taller
@@Ezdine_G8261 nope
It's never easy to marry duche cinema stereotypical references and actual historical reality for a character at that time, but I think the result is to me is a perfect rack, never too ridiculous nor too believable to grasp the exaggeration from western media.
Yessssssss we can finally learn about the one and only Rip Van Winkle
This is a really well put together video. Script is great and the editing is amazing. Great work Duke!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the support 🤙
Dope editing, dope colouring, dope script, dope duke, I’m on dope, just all around dope stuff
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The glaze is crazy
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Back in the 1800s it was rare for men to be over six foot tall
Whenever comparing to photos from the time, you have to keep in mind that photography at the time was still a new thing and quite expensive, so people getting photographs (unless it was at a worksite or taken for legal records such as prison intake etc.) would have more often then not tried to go out of their way to clean and 'pretty up' to look their best for their pictures. It's not like today where most pictures are casual and on the fly with little preparation outside of special occasions, almost every photo back then was a special occasion. It's likely most men shaved before getting pictures, stubble was likely very common most of the time. Same with neatly styled hair. Hair was probably loose and unkempt most of the time, especially when working.
Yep fair point
What about me? Am I "historically accurate", blacklung
maybe
Idea here could you do some videos going over how historically acruate the gangs in the rdr series are it be really cool to see
@@multidigitunhengedmigit maybe
duke-Duke-DUKE! John is an above average bloke. Cant wait for the RDR1 PC Port as well!
@@Amfneey How historically accurate is amfneey 🎙️🗿
@@dukemeiser19 Big4head and such
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Johns eye color legit changes
he took compound V
@@dukemeiser19 That explains his deadeye I guess.
From a steely grey color to blue. And tbf, his eye textures weren't very detailed in the first game.
@@dukemeiser19 Oi Dutch, The Pinkertons Done Took Me Wife, And The Braithwaites Done Took Me Kid
@@Durzeo facking diabolical innit
w upload i’ve been waiting for this one 🔥
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Bro, you are absolutely COOKING on the editing. I also won’t be able to comment or see your videos for a while so I wish you look on your channel and series
@@snokey1153 thank you, stay safe
Great videos btw ive watched ur entire series and enjoyed it tons
Glad you like them🤙
@@dukemeiser19 i appreciate the work u put into them. Surprised u aint got more subs and recognition. Have a good day
3:20 erm it's our best selves not my last boy 🤓
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Spencer carbines in 1899, 1907 or 1911 would have been heavily obsolete, the US Military stopped using them after the Civil War because they wanted to streamline ammunition after having dozens on dozens of calibers from the ACW. That being said they would have been sold off as surplus,
The bandolier is optional in RDR1, you buy it from the gunsmith.
John Marston resonated so well with me due to how he seemed like the perfect blend of every cowboy from every western I ever saw. To this day, his character is so perfect, I have never once felt a need to play Red Dead Redemption 2.
rdr2 compliments John if you can get over the fact he starts off as a scumbag
see, you got the same feeling everybody else did before RDR2. "Man, John is the best character ever". But let me tell you, as someone who was in the exact same boat, RDR2 was unbelievably good. Like, Arthur is the best video game protagonist and maybe even character I have ever experienced.
@@realdaggerman105 I've seen enough of the game to know there are definitely some awesome things about Arthur, but I'm not trying to ruin something that was so perfect to begin with.
@@BlueJayWaters RDR2 only enhances RDR, trust me. But, if you don’t want to, that’s your choice.
@@realdaggerman105 it seems to me where i go within any RDR video... there's superficiality in the air.
editing just keeps getting better and better, keep it up dude
Appreciate it🤙
Thank you for the effort you put into making this masterpiece of a video 💯💯
I appreciate that🤙
1:24 we don't use the metric system in the UK we use imperial
Something else to note: most people in the Old West wore their gun holsters much higher up than we see in games and films, to allow them to draw them faster.
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When’s the historically accurate red Harlow vid gonna come out?
soon
:)
Would be cool to see an analysis like this for non player characters, like Hosea, Dutch, Micha, the horses even.
i’m currently working on this type of video on Sadie Adler, stay tuned for that 🤙
Didn't even know that you could save the legendary bear mission and do it with John and Sadie. They really thought of everything
Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember at the beginning of chapter one it mentions that John was wounded by a bullet when they escaped the Blackwater heist, so yeah... The bastard is tough to kill.
Shame 1 John and epilog john are different characters.
No they aint lol
Agreed. Starkly different characterizations and body types. No a shade on the video or the creator by any means by I would've loved to see this video more with a consistently written John across both games.
@@pandagamer3184 Technically, no, they aren't. But characterization-wise (yeah, I've heard the retorts, I don't agree it's character development) and appearance wise, it's as if they are.
@@themadtitan7603 doing God's work again Titan.
@@themadtitan7603 lowest weight john in rdr2 is pretty accurate to rdr1. Also keep in mind john is not in the best headspace and probably does not sleep a lot in rdr1 making him look older in the face.
Haven’t seen the vid yet but there had better be a baby eater joke in here somewhere
Edit: Maybe next time
🤷
2:00 John is Scottish
5:50 John took his first life at 11 and died at 38, Wes Hardin took his first life at 15 and died at 42 meaning they both killed for 27 years.
The disclaimer at the beginning of this video... I feel that on discord voice messages when it doesn't record
21:03 the best part
Finally i ben waithing for this
3:19 correction: the mission was “our best selves”
ye i mixed up my title
@@dukemeiser19also right after that you have it written as “exit, pursued by a memory” when exit is actually enter
i was geeking off the miracle tonic
@@dukemeiser19 I’m confiscating your items
The legendary Jim Milton
We need a “I don’t see race ……. I’m annoyed by everyone equally” t-shirt/merch, I feel like that resonates with a lot of people 😂
honestly it does
Marston apparently means “Town in a marsh” what exactly the guy who came up with giving that name to his kid and what rockstar intended probably will never be answered I guess. Extra odd since most of the game takes in a desert.
I don’t think the scars are accurate, those look like claw scratches and dogs, especially wolves are not known to use claws to hunt, only bites, hence they don’t retract like cat claws, which are used as weapons. If it was a bite rip it would have to be square. And that brings the question why didn’t they just go for his neck as they’re meant to if they could reach his head.
In Red Dead redemption they were originally supposed to be marks where he was cut across his face in fights
There's one skill of RDR2 characters that everyone forgets about. ARTHUR AND JOHN ARE ABLE TO DRINK DOZENS OF BOTTLES OF ALCOHOL AT ONE SITTING
Billy the kid turned informant and was betrayed. The fact you didnt find that in your research is crazy. He testified for the state and governor of arizona promised immunity, sheriff still shot him in the dark without declaring himself.
damn
Please do how historically accurate is Red Harlow
eventually yea
How historically accurate is Micah
🐀
Ain’t glazing but i Never clicked so fast lmao
About time you covered marston
Arthur's hat is most likely also made with a felt like material just slathered in snake oil or likely wax for water protection
John's height is never specifically stated to be 5'10". People often use "Made Up Characters Wiki" as a source, but information on that site is non-canon.
However, 5'10" - 5'11" is a plausible height for John.
In the RDR1 mission "Landon Ricketts Rides Again" John mentions that Javier is 5'8". When John and Javier are standing next to each other in "Gates of El Presidio" they seem fairly similar in height, though John in slightly crouching.
In addition, Benjamin Byron Davis (Dutch's voice actor) stated that Dutch was canonically 6 foot, which is significantly above average for men at the time (the average male height in that timeframe would be anywhere between 5'6" - 5'8"). In most scenes, Dutch appears to be taller than most male characters, including John and Arthur.
So while John and Arthur are certainly above average for the timeframe, they're not 6 foot.
yea i had to ask a youtube friend if my and he basically said the same thing
Arthur is 6’ 1 (185 cm) a little smaller than Dutch who is 6’2 foot (188cm) John is 5’11 (179 cm) it makes sense because in a lot of missions in RD2 the people who know arthur and see John says that Arthur was taller . and we know dutch is the tallest
@@Nocoincidoconfichajesdelfutbol Like I said, you got this information from "Made-Up Characters Wiki" which is a site that contains non-canon information.
Benjamin Byron Davis specifically said that Dutch was 6'0". That information is canon because it came directly from an actor (voice and mo-cap).
If Arthur really was 6'1", then he would tower over almost everyone in the game. But he doesn't. He's also not that much taller than Javier, who's 5'8".
Arthur is most likely around the 5'10" - 5'11" range, which would be above average male height in 1899.
4:31 0.10 Seconds if drawn correctly. I clocked him in at that when I QuickDraw.
amazing
Wait you mean bone thin means I’d fit perfectly in in the 1800s instead of the 21st century
John's arms in Waltons Gang out are huge af, I was shocked seeing his arms like damn those are massive guns
he got it from jerking his marston
The crazy thing to me is that the Wild West and cowboys didn’t happen all that far before WW1 time truly is just a construct
if you want even more of a mind fack, samurai’s and cowboys existed around the same time, and both could’ve served in WW1
Arthurs hat is likely felt coated in protective oil
His pant’s in the old game are inaccurate because they have belt loops which were invented until the 1920s.
He got them from Francis Sinclair
You'd need to tell that to the National Baseball League. They had belt loops in 1876
@ from what I see they don’t but they do have belts
Rip van Winkle when do some plastic surgery between RDR2 to an RDR1
They gave him Arthurs chin, neck, and shoulders just to cut some time
I have a Lean body build and a Muscular bodybuild at the same time.
15:48, am I going crazy or is that Jose Rizal?
could be
@@dukemeiser19Yep, that's him. How do you know him lol
I dont understand his Eye color. In rdr1 is brown and in rdr2 green or grey
For me brown is his canon eye colour.
But why in rdr2 Is green/grey
Yoooooo I was talking about this in stream
21:05 😭😭😭😭💀
Fr💀😭
john has his own style
10:08 is why John is such a great character; he is relatable in some ways
Honestly the way that Dutch's gang differs from gangs of the time is almost like a cult, only he didn't have them doing strange things that would be out of the ordinary for gang activity. He was kind of a central personality that a group of people gathered around ideologically. Like a lot of cults though, eventually the idealism meets a reality check, and it all fell apart. I don't think Dutch's gang is implausible along this line of thinking. He's a charismatic man with a strong vision for what freedom means and it spoke to people who were vulnerable like orphans and those who are othered or ostracized, he is skirting that line between gang leader and cult leader.
He’s got a horse, a gun, and a hat.
That’s enough proof for me.
fair enough
Who is a better gunslinger, Marston or Morgan?
Marston lived longer but Morgan lived harder
I’m pretty sure John’s eyes are grayish-blue, they’re just kind of hard to see most of the time!
Duke showcase:
The Grand Green gunslinger
Green bowler hat
Green shotgun coat
(Optional) black Thompson vest
White stand-collar overshirt
Dark brown fancy pants
Dark brown fine leather
suspenders
Brown and black multi-tone half chaps
Brown deluxe QuickDraw boots
Dark Brown & silver gerden rider spurs
Dark green dress tie
Black riding gloves
Upgraded gun belt
Upgraded primary holsters
Upgraded off hand holster
No bandolier
Remove satchel using rampage
Level 6 handlebar mustache
Level 0 chin
Level 0 sideburns
Level 4 left parted fade with pomade
(In some lights the outfit can look black to show the green I would recommend the light of beechers hope)
@@Contigulo the green goblin
@@dukemeiser19damn I should’ve thought of that
I'm actually starting my 2nd playthrough of RDR2, and apparently, during the Blackwater Massacre, Javier mentions that John got shot, as well as Davey and Mac Callender, though it could be put up to debate due to the fact there's no evidence or other mentions of John being shot other than this one piece of dialogue, and if anyone's wondering, I'm talking about the 'Enter, Pursued by a Memory' mission in Chapter 1
he could’ve been grazed but with his Marston luck i doubt it
John was definitely shot during the Blackwater heist. He talks about I’m in RDR1 too.
john height is very inconsistent in rdr1 he’s stated to be 6ft in cutscenes in rdr2 he stands the same height as arthur etc
What cutscene in RDR1 is he stated to be 6 foot?
I loved the video
Ive been waiting this longer than gta 6
Wait until part 3, gta 7 will be out by that time
Absolutely
Id suggest dutch breakdown
who do you guys like more? John or Arthur? (helping duke with engagement thank me later)
i like them both equally they are both amazing in their own ways so it would be a very hard pick
John
John Marston is my favourite video game protagonist ever
John Marston
21:08 are you fucking kidding me
No, i am not.
Lets goooo new long from video
actually arthurs hat is beaver pelt and not leather, the reason it looks like leather is because cowboys/outlaws would put oil mostly reptile oil which makes the pelt more durable and gave arthurs hat that leathery look.
I will watch it one day
Ok
Nice, the wait is now over lol
pretty much
A good dlc for rdr2 would probably be all the way back to when Arthur was first adopted by Dutch and Hosea, and they could have a time skip of 5 or 6 years each skip being an hour or 2 of story content with 30 minutes or so worth of side content for each time skip all the way until we get to a couple months to a year before the ferry heists. Thats just an idea I thought would be interesting.
I think the next one you should do is Micah. He seems pretty historically accurate to an average outlaw.
@@michaelthesanta3610 he pretty much is
yeah maybe johns loyalty is inaccurate but im sure finding a bad bitch with an attitude like abigail in the 1800s was like finding a mechanical pencil on the classroom floor
there were loyal men and john is a prime example
What do you think John’s white gambler hat he wore in the rdr2 story is made out of?
maybe a solid felt material
@ Thank you so much, Duke. That’s good to know. I’m making his gambler hat currently and couldn’t decide whether it was suede leather or what.
Nice
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15:48 bro is that what i think it is
might be west dickens