5 Things That Can Ruin Your Favorite MMORPG
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Lets have a little bit of fun...but talking about the things in MMORPGs that aren't fun.
Here are 5 things that can ruin your favorite MMORPG because quite frankly they just kind of suck.
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Most MMOs today have completely lost the plot. Gone is the idea of immersive fantasy worlds. These are just slot machines now to put your digital gold into.
UIs with a world attached instead of the reverse.
@RBF. That is an excellent way to put it.
Most annoying: unavoidable PvP
Second most annoying: endless raiding as endgame.
As a Guild Master on ESO, I find it annoying how people "claim" that they want an active guild, but they don't want to be active in the guild themselves.
This is just as annoying as an active guild member. No one wants to do anything.
I’m around 700 on ESO and I never joined a guild. Anecdotally, I don’t want to waste everyone’s time joining a guild when I know I’m just not going to contribute. ESO is my favorite single player rpg. It just happens to have other live players running around. 😂
I find that issue exists where the group content is entirely seperate from the solo content
How quickly they get "solved", a meta emerges and everyone just zips through doing the same damn things with the same builds. The "optimization" that happens to any MMO these days... it's just a consequence of a genre that has settled on convention and everyone knows the drill by now.
That's a good one. And it often leads into the last one as people force those without the knowledge out of the game for not having the "right" gear or the "right" build.
Biased by recent conversations, but I will go with the the company's lack of desire, effort, or ability to provide an equal experience by preventing behaviors such as cheating, botting, and multi-boxing. These all take away from the intended experience and wreck economies. Will it make the list?
Bonuses: Micro-transactions (especially p2w), server instability/downtime, dailies (excessive, required amounts), RMT, hunter class in wow (stop taking rogue loot!)
I still remember my first few MMO's back at a time where "The Internet" did not exist and had to connect to online services to play games.(Compu-Serve, GEine). Kingdom of Drakkar was one of those games. Surprisingly the game still exist today so in theory, you could say it is the longest running MMO.
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Cash shops, loot boxes, micro-transactions etc.. The only acceptable monetization when it comes to MMOrpgs is box price+subscription. And when it comes to things in game, daily quests, flying mounts, fast traveling and drops of coins/tokens from bosses to turn in for gear totally ruin a game for me. 1. Encumbered is a great mechanismen in MMOrpgs 2. agree 100% 3. Food and drinks should be in, it's a part of crafting, but with limited feature. 4. Absolutely! 6. Competition is a good thing.
mandatory food/drink in EQ was a left over of tedious DnD mechanic that served no purpose in a pc-game and was only an annoyance. When they introduced stat food - it was even more stupid - you were getting +stat bonus NOT from eating the food, but from having it sit in first inventory slot, while your char force feed itself with 2 copper junk food.
Nah, EQ did food right. It was automatic and you just had to have it equipped, but you still occasionally needed to buy more or get better food/drink. Food/drink can also be fun if the devs decide to do more with it, kinda how EQ did with alcohol.
Dailies and FOMO mechanics in games makes me start to think of it as a chore very quickly and lose interest
The most annoying thing? That's a tough one... Probably micro-transaction hell, but multi-boxing and bots are very close and probably tied for second.
Iventory management can be annoying, but usually only when in games like EQ i forget to check my bags before heading to grind. I do like the fact you brought up how it does add a bit of realism. Food never really bothered me, even in EQ. If you had a caster, most likely they could summon you some, so became an inconvenience, and in FFXIV it is a nice buff often.
Overall I dislike microtransactions, but when it comes to games like GW2, I understand the need. If it is an F2P game, the devs need money to run the servers and stuffs. GW2 is also not very in your face about it. It's things like WOW tokens, and Krono that bother me more.
MMOs that are 'unsuccessful' and shut down their servers even when they are mildly profitable. Another one for me is creating a meta where the community is rewarded for being toxic.
The amount of MMOs that have been shut down, and some that have to live on as emulators is just too damn high. Plenty could have continued on with smaller teams and dedicated communities...as seen by the emulators.
Bizzare, how really excellent mmorpg gets their servers shut down and horrible 1s are some how still around .. still shocked and little sad about "Defiance 2050 and WildStar" ngl
I think there should be punitive things like being encumbered, needing food.. For food i think it should just give you base benefits, but not really nothing overboard like + to stats, etc.. The whole purpose of these things is to add risk and immersion. Not much different than needing a light source (torch, etc) to be able to explore a dungeon without being in complete darkness. The danger on many fronts is what made EQ great.. whether it was limited space, needing food, eyesight limitations, etc. It really needed MORE.. like being subject to weather effects like cold, etc. But i'm hardcore when it comes to immersion.. Most people these days just want things to be too easy or overpowering, which is in the polar opposite direction.
The most annoying thing in an MMO is the culture of min maxing. It’s exhausting just by proxy, I don’t want to be forced into doing it to play (looking at you ffxi).
OMG, inventory management is the worst in just about every game and not just MMOs. It's one of the biggest things I complained about with ESO and even LOTRO, who's one of the more friendly for inventory, has its issues.
But I think my least favorite thing is dailies and seasonal tracks. I simply refuse to engage with them at all, even if it means I miss out on some small digital rewards. FOMO isn't my thing.
Okay, the bit starting at 8:25 was amazing. I had recently booted up a large coding project as I was watching your video and seriously thought the lag was on my end. 🤣
Haha I'm so glad you appreciated that, thank you for saying so.
Inventory: Agreed. I spend too much time managing my inventory. Luckily, if the game supports mods, then a lot of times you can engineer out the crappy inventory management that is released with the game.
Food: I actually don't mind the EQ style. I don't like the 'consumable buff' version
Lag: Sucks
Microtransactions: Meh. If it is pay to win, IE getting normal gear, then I won't touch it. Cosmetics, who cares.
Daily Quests: Yuck
What mmo is that that your red haired and bearded fellow was dancing(8 min in)? I did not recognize it.
New World of all things.
Looks like Bob Ross , happy little mmo 😅
@@joezar33 Its the goggles that make it for me.
I enjoyed daillies at first during Wrath. But also during that time i started my first job. Everytime i reach home, i only had a few hours to play so all i did was i needed to finish the dailies. Months of doing this, i felt like it was becoming a chore and i didnt enjoy the game anymore, so i decided to quit WoW
i feel the same. at first I liked them, then there become too many of them, and then they become mandatory grind or you fall behind. At some point I just gave up.
Food and drink - I feel the same about it as I do in any survival type game. If it exists and isn't a constant PITA, then it's good. If it's like in most survival games, where you have to worry about it every 5 minutes, then it's terrible game design.
Subnautica is a really interesting example. When you first start that game, it feels like all you are doing is trying to feed yourself constantly. But as you start to progress and build a base, you have a self-sustaining supply of food/water and it sort of fades into the background. I'd say that was a progression system done well.
For me, as *soon* as it's clear an MMO is pay-to-get-ahead, it loses me.
Daily quests actually make me play games less. You hit that point where you log in and do the dailies and then just log out once your dailies are finished because they are often tedious enough that you are just ready to quit playing when you finish them. After that comes the point where you just can't be bothered to log in at all anymore.
#1 "players" being 100% selfish. Players that want everything, right now without any effort, and they want to do it by themselves without even talking to other players
BOTS…I loathe bots. Speaking of bots…I remember back in vanilla WOW going around to kill and grief (sorry Flynn) the Chinese gold farmers. I miss those days lol. Also hate the stupid cash shop cosmetics that totally ruin immersion…Who the f*** wants to see a shiny rainbow sparkle pony in an otherwise gritty realistic town?
Botters... I can't report them fast enough. Competing with fully automated player characters kinda defeats the idea of a MMORPG for me.
a 6th thing I'd like to add, and it's something that is done mainly by the community of some MMO's and not the Dev's. DPS Parsers/Meters just suck... sort of. I have seen people get refused for raids because they didn't submit a copy of their parse logs to a raid leader. Plus, it kind of adds a dynamic of someone's ego pushing them to play that parse meter to squeeze out that .01% higher DPS than their last one rather than work with their team as a whole.
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Meta chasing. 100% my most hated thing. Meta is very rarely a necessity, but too many people freak out if you're not running it. Sorry, I choose to play the game myself, not how someone on UA-cam told me to play
I've really grown to dislike inventory management (your first example), especially the backpack-with-slots model that you demonstrated with Everquest. At the beginning of the game, not enough slots. At end game, so many slots the UI needs to support filtering and sorting to manage all the inventory. It's especially bad in farming / gathering games like Stardew Valley where 8 of your 36 slots are perma-occupied by various tools that you could leave in storage, but in reality can't. I'm not walking by tree without chopping it down with my axe, right?
Another contentious one that is a deal breaker for me: Scaled leveling.
Removes a lot of the feeling of progression
Agreed. It's probably the biggest reason I struggle with ESO - the One Tamriel update. GW2 to a lesser extent.
The 2 big ones for me are aggressive/predatory monetization and a toxic community
The last one has countless ways it can manifest
Just encountered one yesterday that’s got my passion for WoW teetering on the edge of death
Guild kicked me for BS reasons. Was my only hope for getting the Evoker leggo. And the Pandaria remix heirlooms.
Or any not-LFR raid group
And I just don’t see any point in going back into WoW before War Within at this point
100% agree. And I'm sorry you had that experience. I've been there where I had to question whether I wanted to go back to a game because of community toxicity. I hope you can find new fun in WoW or in a different MMO. Cheers bud.
@@Redbeardflynn finding it in a different MMO won’t be an issue
Hell, I’ve recently reignited the embers on my passion for GW2 (right before I got kicked from the guild, actually).
Not to mention I got a strong passion for FFXIV, and I think Yoshi-P will be taking a dirt nap before that passion dies XD
Saddest part is, I deleted my original WoW account about mid-BFA, and I came back for DF
@@dragonriderabens9761why would you delete your account?
@@dragonriderabens9761 The greatest thing about those games you listed? Both should be getting expansions this year, too! Dawntrail for FFXIV very soon.
@@ryuno2097 simply put, I deleted it around the time Blizzard couldn't go a week without another PR disaster
I actually wouldn't mind encumbrance and inventory managements systems if the games didn't throw so much crap at you constantly. They are basically loot pinatas like ARPGs. There's so much crap raining down from the dying enemies that it's impossible to manage your inventory without having to break and sell constantly. And games that require different gear sets but make you carry them around in your regular inventory are just plain evil.
As someone who has played everything from EQ to New World, you hit the nail on the head
Cheers
My list is probably starts with greed in whatever form that it appears which is usually microtransactions or "create the problem to sell the solution". Forced pvp, not being able to find a group, bad game design disguised as immersion, terrible game balance, and too much vertical progression that makes progress and goals feel disposable.
FAWKIN' MICROTRANSACTIONS! AHHHHHH!
The grind... I wanna feel immersed in the game... I wanna have purpose and I wanna gain XP thru the things I do meaningfully (questing, exploring, crafting). When I transition from exploration and questing to grinding thru combat for XP that tells me the devs ran out of good ways to keep their community actively progressing thru the environment in the game other than hack and slash. If I get a smooth progression thru a zone/dungeon, with meaningful quests and/or loot that leads me to the next zone/dungeon I consider that a win for that MMO... EQ did it beautifully with the progression thru Upper Guk to Lower Guk and Soluseks Eye and Nagafens Lair. Any mediocre development team can create combat encounters, I wanna know what's around the corner... there's a difference.
the most annoying thing about MMOs to me, is something i just recently got annoyed with for the first time.... Addons. im playing Season of Discovery on WoW while i wait for Teek to start... and honestly, i wish theyd just ban all addons and perma anyone who uses them. Season os Discovery is supposed to be different, yet we have Archon, DBM, TSM, just..... lets have a fun time without addons... it would bring back a level of attention for the player. Addons are ruining wow.
This
Yep, definitely a community problem. Sadly, if you got rid of addons people would still flock to the internet for guides/yt videos/databases/etc. The MMO genre is sick, and we need a cure.
Also, whats Teek?
WoW went waaaaaay too far with addon capabilities. WoW addons literally impacted gameplay, not just UI. I remember those addons that would even fire off alerts if a rare NPC spawned in the area, etc. If it had just been UI cosmetic add-ons, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.
1:23 IMO. I hate transactions that are not PURELY cosmetic. I hate games with alot of hand holding outside of the tutorial like a glow up path of quests. Multiboxing and bots are terrible too.
annoying for me are the crazy level CAPS, dailies, weeklies, other guild fixed time schedules and game timed events that if you cant participate or do them you will get really behind in the game specially in PVP or jusy getting bullied/pkied while farming DUE TO GREED OF RESOURCES (thats why i stopped playing nft game). Lastly microT items most of them are RNG, u cant get them directly for what it is makes the account lucky or not. Hey they are doable if someone is on vacation but with people who still consider gaming as introvert hobby and with 12Hour shifts? thats why atm im not allowing my some kind of addiction to mmorpg get in me coz for now most of these are just after ur wallet and u get less what you hoped for an mmorpg experience..
btw, what all games are you playing throughout this vid?
Worst aspect of MMOs is toxic players.
Best aspect of MMOs is awesome players.
MMOs can be made or broken by the people you play them with.
This 100%
Oh lol, I commented at the beginning of the video. Turns out you covered this one at the end! Nice.
@@Joshthegamer8600 Haha it was my bonus 6th reason! You put it well though.
Most annoying to me: You gotta play the way you hate with a build you didn't make to be viable. I desperately just want to play something where I can team up with others, take on a challenge, and overcome it without having to just stick to a rotation and equip the right build.
Personal opinion: I don't mind dailies and weeklies if the game is fun.
I'm most annoyed about nonconsensual pvp and ganking.
I want to feel immersed in the game, read the quests and experience the lore.
Had to sub to this channel. Appreciate the grind in the mmo space. 😎
Cheers!
#1 item, before watching rest of video...senseless grinding of exp (I want it to be fun, an adventure and not a repetitive task). As for good and drink...i do like it for buffs/healing.
I think what ruins MMORPGs the most for me is more about players than the games. MMORPG players these days are all so focused on going as fast as possible to end game. It's all about being the most efficient and nothing else matters. Then they get to end game and complain there is nothing to do and the game sucks. Yet they played hundreds to thousands of hours already. I just don't get that mindset. There is way too much negativity and it's exhausting. It's this way in all MMORPGS not just modern ones. Sometimes I just have to go player single player games to get away from it all.
Time gated or login gated or daily quest gated FOMO content. WoW and ESO come to mind, ESO is a gnarly culprit. I have enjoyed both games, but the modern drive from both of them to login every day and do certain things just to maximize what I get done before the monthly event is over, or the next update cycle begins and the current content is less worth doing.
I miss the days like in the mid 2000s of EQ, DAOC, and SWG (and Classic WOW) where you logged on and focused on what you wanted to do. you didn't HAVE to do anything or do the most current content, everything was relevant and held value if that was what you felt like doing.
Dailies.. I still do my dailies on any game I play, but man.. they're a chore
In accordance to the bloggers wish I state hereby my biggest gripe in mmos: Respawning! You just defeated the current boss, got the loot and marvel at it. Maybe you even gained a level from the experience, and wham. You are attacked by the same creature you just defeated. The mechanic is clear. You have removed a feature from the game that another player wants to utilize, even if none of them are in sight. There are even games that dont wait for the demise of the creature, they spawn in another one while you are still fighting the first, only you are taking longer to do it then the devs thought! Super annoying!
Dailies
Edit: Yup, #2. Ugh. Worst thing ever. Hate hate hate.
Annoying:
the WOW style braindead quest
go kill bunny's and get 20 rabbit pelts then you get 500 Experience!
Most annoying: The complete lack of effort it takes to get through most games.
Also if I join do I get to see the blacked out sections where you curse and rant? I think I might enjoy those.
Haha I already cussed more in this video than I meant to. YT gets mad at consecutive cursing
#9 lag
Many wow classic players came out in favor of artificial lag to simulate playing the older version! Specifically they wanted the spell casting to be delayed a certain way to mimic vanilla world of warcraft
So yes there are people who do exist who wanted even this "feature"
I cant agree more about the dailies. Such a pos. ESO has a ton of them lol. and yeah of course pay to win sucks. Why I'm super excited about eq2's new TLP.
most annoying: Games that say they are MMORPGs or MMOs, when they aren't.
The line has gotten so blurry over the years it's frustrating.
ESO's next update
1.P2W
2.Endless grind
3."spell crafting" (Is trash)
Most annoying: level scaling! It makes leveling less rewarding
Adding a comment, as suggested in the video, before watching. My least favorite thing in an MMO, is one shotting everything as you level up. I want the game to be an adventure, even on the 10th alt.
Ah yes, the ARPGification of MMOs!
The most annoying thing in an MMO? I'm gonna go with Trivial Loot Code. I hate TLC with the passion of a thousand suns.
I always understood its purpose but hated it in EQ2 all the same.
Whats trivial loot code?
@@poisonated7467 basically mobs have a level disparity where they stop dropping loot. For example if you kill something 20 levels below you it won't drop anything
Monetization probs. Freal. The genuine box/sub era was just a better time.
Gears or war online and having host powers. The only positive i could give about lag lol
Cosmetic shop.
Dailies and micro-transactions, easily the worst parts of MMOs. Oh, and things being too easy in the game.
I sure you say cash shop
bots
Having kids.
That's why I got a vasectomy...
The weirdo internet culture shit seeping into every game and if you dont keep up with it as ravenously as the community does you're suddenly the "weirdo". Sorry i dont base my entire personality off the internet and memes *shrugs*
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A bunch of cursing so I can't watch around my family, and then virtue signalling for companies that laid off employees because they made games that nobody wanted to play and cost companies 10 of millions of dollars (except Tango Gameworks, that one was weird)
If the cursing bothers you and layoffs don't...I don't think you'll enjoy my channel :)
Its MAN uh not MONuh
The worst things in MMOs is too much solo play being the focus. No one wants to do anything together or even speak because you can just do it all yourself.
... Is #1 Bellular Gaming??? I bet it is...
You missed one. Daybreak.
Level scaling. It's the single worse decision a MMO can do
10:51 Embers Adrift! It's sad that only 40-100 people play at a time and there's only one server.
I keep hoping they'll get a population influx. It's a good team making that game that try to do their best.
When newer games have things like weight encumberance, low stack quantities and artificially small inventory/bag sizes that are there to nudge you towards microtransactions or subscriptions, i'm out. Fallout 76 and ESO are 2 heavy offenders here.
Another thing is toxic community. I played on the leading Velious-capped EverQuest emulator server for nearly a decade (i'm sure you can guess) and I had to quit because it brought out the absolute worst in me and the people I was playing with. I carried around an unhealthy amount of animosity towards rival guilds and a couple of the staff because the raid culture was so damn toxic. And it made ME toxic and quite insufferable. Years of 3am batphones, petitionquesting, guild spies and raid bans... In the end I had to quit to save my sanity. Now I just play solo and it's so much brighter out there.
EQ's raid culture was like those psychotic FIFA fanatics. Guilds were all fans of rival teams.
Funny thing about Inventory Management: Runescape made me enjoy it. And I think the main reason is that the game is built around the limited inventory. And you can't buy inventory slots by any means. Now, you can get items that more of a specific item, but they are things you unlock by playing the game and are easy unlocks at that. They're not locked behind a paywall.
For example, lets say you wanna carry more Runes that are used to cast spells. There's a Rune Pouch that can carry 3 types of Rune, saving you two Inventory slots.
You can get it from 750 slayer points, which are obtained by training the Slayer Skill. If you wanted to speed run it, you can get that after doing about 22 tasks with a specific Slayer Trainer. The tasks are generally quick, and require you to kill X number of monsters.
Another group of items are Essence Pouches. They let you carry more Rune Essence, which are used in the Runecrafting Skill. You get these are a fairly common drop from a Monster, and can use them after reaching a specific Runecrafting level.
So you can get things that allow you to carry more items, but they're limited to specific items for specific skills, and they are unlocked via game play.