As someone with severe ADHD and an INTJ, who is medicated, I can tell you, adderall saved my life. I have a combined presentation, and was throughly tested at 25, I couldn’t sit still, pay attention, and I was always anxious, and depressed because I couldn’t complete small tasks, and my head was always overwhelmed with thoughts and I couldn’t stop it, I couldn’t stop the noise, when I took my medication all the sudden the noise slowed down, I remember napping for hours with my first dose because my brain finally settled down to a pace I could tolerate, my anxiety and depression slowly faded away because I could organize my thoughts, I became less irritable, I gained control over my impulsivities, especially oversharing, which as an INTJ I hate and always makes me feel like I shared too much. On meds I can decide what I want to share. I remember to take care of myself and enjoy the things I like doing without being overwhelmed or constantly playing “catch up” to the point I become overwhelmed and irritable. It sounds like you might have the inattentive type, and I’ve noticed stimulants seem to do the opposite than for the subtypes with hyperactivity. For me I talk slower, I don’t Interupt as much, I can actually sleep at night with 4million thoughts running through my head, and I have more autonomy on myself and brain. For me, it does the opposite as you, and that’s okay. In the true words of my APRN “if that shit does not work for you and you don’t like how it makes you feel, stop taking it” I’ve also been taking them for years and to this day, I have almost a month back stock because I still forget to take them, I got my wisdom teeth removed and I stopped cold turkey for a week and I didn’t have a bad reaction or withdrawals. So I know Im not dependent, withdrawals only happen when you’re taking too much and you don’t need it. I first tried it at a party and I became quiet, stopped drinking, and went to sleep. They stayed up all night partying. I had tried it the one time and I didn’t think much of it, until years later where they started to become sober and they were having these withdrawals. It’s such a slippery medication because there’s not a lot of people I know (only 2) that share the same effect as me, where it basically stops us from being anxious feral goblins. I hope this journey is easy on you on discovering what works and doesn’t work for you, you are doing what’s best for you, and I’m proud of you for doing what’s right for you.
I'm so happy to hear that it's working as intended for you. Hearing stories like your own makes me wonder if I even had it at all, which leads to me questioning why I was even prescribed in the first place. Whatever the cause might be, I'm glad that science advanced to the point where people like yourself are now able given an even playing field. I hope it continues to improve your life ✊
The pain in your voice is so resonant and touching. I am sure all intuitives have felt the same at one point, wondering why we need so much support just to function in everyday society. The more we realize our seeming “disabilities” are actually strengths, the better off we will be at fulfilling our potential.
Hey, Jon, I'm an ENTJ with ADHD, wasn't diagnosed until my mid-30s. I tried Ritalin and Adderol and decided their cost was not justified by their effectiveness (or lack thereof). I have found that reading about ADHD and using tips the books suggest help me just as much or more. My favorite ADD book is "Driven to Distraction" by Edward Hallowell, full of practical advice. I'm not 'cured', but certain things I can manage pretty well because of having information.
Fascinating, I've always thought that, in term of neurodivergence, Ni doms are more suceptible to autism (while Ne users are more to adhd). I might've been wrong then, thanks for sharing!
You might be right but I personally find it difficult to attribute neurological issues to MBTI types instead of it being an individual case. But who knows! I'm not a doctor so my guess has as much weight as a feather 😅
Hi Jon! I just replied to your other video about making a topic on this and 8 hours later you posted a video. Thank you so much for this and I am sorry for the things you went through. It must've been tough. *virtual hugs I'm an INTJ woman and I have ADHD symptoms but, I'm not diagnosed yet. I have an appointment next month and I am nervous about it. My symptoms really affect me in my day to day life. It has become really frustrating. I could sit in front of the computer for hours doing nothing, not eating anything because I would forget and I lose track of time. It feels like when I blink, 6 hours had pass. Doing the things that interest me isn't helping me live a normal life, I have been having these difficulties for years and I finally gathered the courage to ask for professional help. I will take what you said seriously and will try to not abuse if they prescribed me meds.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I'm a avid believer in trying things out for yourself and then figuring out what makes the most sense. You know yourself the best. In regards to losing track of time, it got worse for me when I was medicated. The moment I start working on a project, a few hours will go by and then it's dinner time, similar to when we're in our Ni geek mode. The past few weeks, i've noticed how long the days are since I've been off of it. I used to glance at the clock and be worried because time went by so fast, now I glance at the clock and realize that I still have the rest of the day to fill. Buttttt, test, test, test. Medication helped in so many ways and opened my eyes up to another world that I was previously unaware of. If anything, just make sure to treat yourself as a test subject and adjust as needed. I'm all for treatment if it's needed but I'm also against too much medication because I've experience first hand how it messes up your body. Good luck fellow INTJ and I'm here as a resource if needed ✊
Dude! I came to the Same conclusion. Thanks for sharing, as when I explain everyone thinks I’m off with the fairies. ADHD is a word for the sensory people to understand what we are doing in our minds. As it’s to conceptual for them to grasp.
I agree that most people are misdiagnosed and it's just easier to slap an ADHD label than actually treat the issue. On the other hand, there are >7 billion people in the world so I think it's likely that there's at least a handful of people that meds with help more than hurt. Whether I'm one of those people is over my paygrade to figure out 😅
@@justcallmejon22 agreed! What if we are the once’s who most likely can figure it out with our minds :) on another note. How do manage your energy? This seemed eye opening for my “ADHD” management.
We evolved a variety of neural networks to best fit a variety of specific environments. ADHD for example is well fitted to hunters. Meds are used in our current environment to force a beautiful variety of brain structures into a one size fits all conformity. Resist the machine.
This was so interesting to listen to from your perspective Jon! As a female INTJ with autism that has never taken any medication I often feel left out and wierd. Also, it was so interesting hearing you talk about the experience with medication and suddenly feeling like you wanted to engage with people, ande FEEL like you wanted to. Because yes, I guess an INTJs "normal" state is to not be disturbed while working so that you can just (as you said) leave haha, at least I really felt that. I have a hard time feeling stuff normally and THAT makes me sad, seeing other people having an easy time feling for others and being able to genually care about others.. But what I've learned is that i have qualities that others don't have that are pretty cool, which I think medication would take away from me.
Girllll, I miss that feeling every single day! The ability to feel emotions immediately and enjoy the company of others while living in the moment. It really felt like I was able to embody all MBTI types at the exact same time so I understand the sadness you feel because I feel it as well. With that said, you're perfect the way you are and I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to be you. I support your decision whether to take or not take meds, you know yourself best my INTJ sister ✊
Jon, your video touched me deeply! Your story is truly moving, and the unfiltered version of yourself is absolutely incredible. You do a great job destigmatizing ADHD and illustrating your experience with it. 👏
im so glad i found your page, my husband is a intj and as soon as i began playing this it was erie the similarities hahah, love it. :) from a infp wife.
My ADHD is pretty apparent. I am a correctional officer. I have to count inmates daily. If I was interrupted by anything, I would immediately lose count. The advantage is that you can pay attention to everything simultaneously but nothing specifically. So in an environment that has a lot going on, it's not bad. However I would lose the point of arguments, look for something that is already in my hand, and reading for prolonged periods of time was impossible. So medication was needed. But I am glad you hit this point because when I took the test and got an INTJ mastermind, I was like "how the hell did I screw up a no wrong answer test?" I definitely had imposter syndrome because I thought I was too ditsy for INTJ to be correct. Turns out I am INTJ but my ADHD was masking my potential and giving me doubts of what I can really do when I have focus.
The quality of your content just continues to soar. I personally find it very nice to hear about the experiences and insights from a respectable person who is wired similarly to me. I was also diagnosed with ADHD when I was a late teen, but have always doubted my diagnosis. I dislike being medicated and I choose not to take them the majority of the time these days. About ADHD, I am finding that the more I learn about myself, personality theories, everything else in life in general, I feel that a lot of the symptoms that would lead to or overlap with an ADHD diagnosis are related to my core temperament (for example, I can’t bring myself to do things I think are trivial, aren’t urgent, inessential to my values or immediate survival, which comes across as lazy and low conscientiousness. Or I can be situationally unaware while lost in thought (Ni/introspection - a greater focus on the internal world and processes compared to the external) I find this all fascinating to think about and think there is still much to be learned and explored in psychiatry and the brain. Even if 1st year psychology classes, the first thing they teach you is that the DSM is not a perfectly objective tool, there is a lot of subjectivity and human judgment to it, so I remind myself not to get too caught up in whether my diagnosis is right or wrong, as if there is such a thing.
Learning about cognitive function really is an eye opening experience because I agree that a lot of symptoms of ADHD overlaps with simply being an intuitive. I'm glad you decided to hold off on taking medication, it didn't work as intended for me but I have other comments saying that it's been a game changer for them. I'm glad you found a path that works for your own lifestyle ✊
INFJ here 👋 I don't want to write too much.. But I've been into typology for a while, realised that I classify with the innatentive adhd, and made the connections with the intuitive type as well as you. I have been thinking about this a looooot. Agree with everything you said (and didn't say), and all I can see is that it's the world that is wrong. While we keep evolving as humans, we are expected to still live as animals. I want to try medication to get where I want, but I plan to just take it the days I really need it. I love my mind, and I don't want to get numb. I hope you can live happily without it, sending all my INFJ love from Sweden ❤❤
Hallå! Happy to hear that you're enjoying the content and I feel like most people will arrive at the same conclusion we have about Intuitive if they just decide to listen (and companies care more about people than profit). I don't really have an addictive personality but the feeling of being able to feel other people and their emotions is something that I might get sucked into again. I'm glad that you found a system that works for you and I know I'll get through it like i do everything else in life 😅
I stopped taking my meds 2 years ago after major surgery and I am managing really well with tools. knowing is better, and there are so many accomodations nowadays for ADHDers.
I'm commenting as I'm watching - my friend ( INTJ) seems very ADHD but also I think it's more an INTJ thing too. like you mentioned with boredom lol. I knew I had ADHD when I would be speaking to someone face to face, and hear someone across the room significantly louder. I would tune in on that and completely ignore the person in front of me. it is frustrating!!
you def have it 😂 but you can def manage without meds! plus is better to not be on it LONG TERM. maybe take breaks if you're able to, try different tools and accommodations in the interim, and then if you absolutely need it, then go for it.
@@stephaniehubert11 Everyone with high intuition lost their train of thoughts sometimes, it just the way we operate, jump from an idea to another, it just how the intuition function. Trafic jam of information in our head, and after we have a blank. adhd or just high intuition ?
It's always refreshing to hear that other people have gone through what I went through and are functioning properly. I'm aware of my resources and I'll make sure to seek help if I need it. Thank you for your support and I hope for nothing but sunshine and rainbows for your future 🙂
Thank you for your willingness to be vulnerable with us and to share your experiences. I was diagnosed this week and I have been managing for 39yrs without meds but my little children are getting older and things are going to really start getting busier. I have 5 of my own and 2 bonus kids so I will be discussing with my therapist and with my family the options I can do that will be the best help for our family. I'm nervous about trying the slow release medication but I'm willing to look at all the other options as well.
The best advice that I can provide is just to test them all out. I was unable to sleep on slow release so I decided to stay on quick release. Rick and Morty explain quick release the best during one of their skit where Rick said, "God, do I need to take more Adderall or am I taking too much Adderall" because there's a point where you just can't concentrate. I hope things turn out better for you and I'm here as a resource if you need it ✊
You didn’t feel like your life was all about putting out constant fires? One chaos after another? I am your age, but was diagnosed at 33. Adderall just made life so much easier for me. I used to be unable to go grocery shopping or especially not Walmart. Granted, she told me I had one of the most severe cases ADHD she’s seen. 😁
INFP/ENFP with ADHD here! This video was so relatable, especially the “what the fuck am I talking about” part in the middle of a long ramble LMAO. I was diagnosed really young and was on medication for a whole year, switching between new medications every month because it simply did not work on me. I suppose it _did_ work, just not as intended. You mentioned the ability to be focused on anything with full interest, now imagine that with now instead of focusing on anything else I was intently focusing on how my inner body was feeling the whole time. I felt so unbelievably numb all the time (ON medication), my brain felt so empty.. so quiet. It felt like I couldn’t think. It was suffocating. The only thing I could focus on was the way my heart thrummed or the complete emptiness I felt. I would beg my parents not to put me on medication, but to them they thought it was a condition & this was my only ‘cure’. I even tried to bring my concerns up to my doctor, which she would promptly reply with “you must not be on medication right now.” completely invaliding my feelings. I felt helpless. There was a time where they were experimenting giving me short doses & long doses, whenever they gave me the long doses they noticed I was doing better a couple hours after giving it whereas when they gave me the short dose I was completely unable to do anything until it was late into the night. They were telling the doc this when she stopped them asked for the description of the pills, they quickly realized they had mixed up the pills and what they thought was the “long dose” that was doing me so well was actually the short dose. I was only able to concentrate better when the pill wore off. The doctors finally decided to pull me off medication entirely, which I’m eternally grateful for. (But I will never forget the condescension against my concerns before this happened) I never want to feel that way ever ever again. I genuinely feel like going through that for a whole year has changed me as a person and will impact me for the rest of my life, I randomly went from being a loud active kid to a subdued quiet kid who would just sit around and do nothing. I still struggle with ADHD problems in this society, but I’m able to work past a lot of my obstacles- I just need to work twice as hard. Anyways sorry for the dumping, but I thought I’d share my experience! This is not to scare anyone from doing medication however, it may prove very beneficial to some or you might just end up like me. It’s always best to give it a shot and see how *you* feel about it!
Also I completely relate to being unsure if you have adhd or not, but I heard a research that concluded if someone without ADHD takes adderall or any other kind of adhd medicine there will be no effects on them, or if anything, it inhibits them.
It saddens me to hear your experience and I really hope that you're in a better place now. I dated someone previously that was in the same situation where she was on a different med ever so often and constantly couldn't feel anything. She told me that I was her rock because after all the meds, she couldn't figure out who she was anymore because most of the time she couldn't even feel. I'm not against medication either but I feel like it's being glamourized right now and the voices of people who were negatively affected are drowned out by 'experts'. I feel your pain INFP/ENFP and I'm glad you got out of the cycle. We'll get through life together ✊
Hey! ❤ I have ADHD, and I paused it at 1:25. I am on the max at 60mg, and it makes my mind quiet and peaceful. Slows it down. If you felt that you couldn’t catch up with speaking, you likely were at too high of a dosage. Docs around our gen often prescribed too much.❤
60mg, how are you still alive?!! I agree, it really does feel like too much sometimes hence once of the reason why I stopped. I'm glad to hear that it works for you ❤
Jon, you have been helping me in so many ways. I am soon creating and sharing content myself, and I totally had to laugh out loud when you said this is the 21st time I've tried to make this video.😂😂😂 that pretty much sounds like something I'll be doing . " anything worth doing is worth doing poorly". Meaning that when we first start something very often we kind of suck, so I've been telling myself I need to allow that. My stuff will be about holistic health and healing, sacred geometry, astrology, arts and crafts, and maybe my kitty cat 😁
Congrats on starting your content creation journey! One of my favorite quote is, "Sucking at something is the first step towards being sorta good at something." Send me a link to your first video and best of luck! ✊
I'm an INTJ. I always was, had adhd as a child, never diagnosed coz mental health isn't a thing in Asian middle class families. I didn't get along with my classmates, got left out by EVERY SINGLE ONE on my BIRTHDAY, i left the hope of being THEIR FRIEND and befriend a senior but they couldn't take it and startedto frame me for it by calling it a lesbian relationship, in a Christian school, they asked one of us to leave the school(happened between 10-12 yr age). I lost hope in friendship and HUMANITY IN GENERAL.. i stopped feeling the need to express, explain or even depend. Soon my dad got transferred and i left with him. My emotional dependence on my mom started to fade due to the distance. New school, new start as i thought... i made a BESTTTT FRIEND WE WERE A VIBE but it broke in an year after i left the after school class.. i came out too possessive on her when her school bestie came in coz i didn't wanted to lose her years passed and i got depressed.. school teachers hated me, i got behind the class coz of my incapability (at least what i thought) i tested for mbti for the 2nd time (1st time was when i didn't even know what that was) it came out istj. I was LOCKED on my bed, failed 4 of 5 subjects,couldn't focus.. had to come back to my mom.. joined extra classes... i would stab myself with fork, pens or sometime nail scratches till i see blood AND SOON SHIFTED TO LONG SLEEVES numb all over or maybe i forced myself to do it... later after constant efforts to do bare minimum from my side, i thought to love myself (a very funny sentence) i did what i could, went from failing 4 subjects to scoring 94% in finals but i was exhausted... it was worth it... gained 36kgs in 2 months, diagnosed pcod...... slump came BACK FOR 1 WHOLE YEAR IT WAS A MESS(saw what ni-fi loop was).... next year got into final year of senior school... peak era of intj (ni-fi was getting better) scored 83% in finals.... In present gave national exam... gonna retake it but this time no extra after school classes, no peers to handle... I'm gonna be alone and focus on myself Well, pretty much it. Just wanted to share. Haha fk it's long.
@@justcallmejon22i am really happy for you you are off the medication. I have been pressured a lot by so many people to start taking medication. But i just don't want to feel and act different than i am and people don't seem to understand my decision. I love watching your videos.
This is a funny coincidence. I've been wondering recently if I have undiagnosed adhd. There are certain things I used to struggle with that I learned to use it as a tool that lined up with a lot of the symptoms. Rts games really helped with that. Doing 300 things a minute. 😅
Infj here! Love this! I have an INTJ in my life and from observation I think it would be really cool to see a video from you talking about INTJs way of viewing challenges or like how INTJs test things. All the INTJs i know of in my life love coming up with new business ideas but it seems they always get to a certain point with them and then like an A4 piece a paper they are so quick to screw it up and trash it and sometimes even after investing A LOT of time and effort and sometimes even money. I would love to here your INTJ perspective on this process and maybe even your insights to how INTJs can turn their passions into healthier goals and succeed. 😊
It's usually a roadblock that we don't have the skills or resources necessary to continue. Or we made a complete mess of it and said fk it. *intj didn't really do sunk cost fallacy.
@@PaleGhost69 do you think there is a way to combat this.. it’s kind of hard to watch from an out side perspective. I hate seeing the high excitement quickly turn to complete off switch. It has to be disheartening to repeat that cycle.. or is it 🤔
100% what @paleghost69 said; Sunkcost fallacy is something that doesn't really affect INTJs. I also want to challenge your way of thinking because you're looking at it from a caring Fe viewpoint whereas and INTJ lives & breathes Te when we're healthy. Your INTJ friends came up with an idea, they tried it, and realized that for one reason or another, it's not what they want to continue doing. Instead of looking at it as if they gave up, look at it that they gave it a try. Ni & Fi is constantly updating so if an INTJ changes their mind about something, they changed it for a reason. Ask them if they need help and if they say no, just leave it as is. The best thing you can do for an INTJ is keep space for them and be a sounding board. Thank you for taking care of my INTJ siblings, I really do appreciate you INFJs ❤
@katebrookes2068 It's a little disappointing but we always take a lot from the experience into other projects. What helped me was getting a handyman friend that was able to look at it from the builder view instead of the engineer. Maybe you can help them network?
@@justcallmejon22 So true Jon You just spoke my thoughts.Sujkncoet fallacy doesn't affect INTJ. But, people say we need to commit for long time to see results,but I don't know when to drop off the plan ? Or continue doing the same thing? A big applause ✨to speak boldly about your medications.Hope you are doing fine now😇
"in order to fit in" - the world is changing and there are so many more (and constantly evolving) opportunities for people to function embracing their differences. Never before has the workplace been so dynamic, so flexible and, if approached with the right mindset and confidence, filled with opportunity. Sitting still in classrooms was designed to engineer us for 9-5 workdays to rebuild a post-war world. AI will continue to change the future workplace landscape completely and educational "institutions" will have to evolve or they will die out. As an INTJ Aquarius Ive never fit in anywhere, it was hard in my teens and 20s. Maslow's "belonging" need is the trcky one to get past, but once you do, the world is your oaster! And once you get past it, "fitting in" wont even be a thought.
@@justcallmejon22 Yes and no. I no longer crave adderall because my natural mindset and dopamine baseline has become normalized; however, I still very much struggle to focus on things outside of interest. Also, socializing / engaging with others (especially in a work setting) feels like an obligation. You will definitely get through this; but it will take time to readjust and develop methods to mitigate the difficulties that adderall solved.
I’m a 36 yo INTJ and I’ve always said things like, I’m not adhd, I’m just an intj. My brain works differently than what society decided is preferred and that’s not my fault. I learned to “fake it” when I’m around other people and power through things that don’t interest me. But after talking with some people lately, I’m not so sure it is intj or if it’s a combination of intj and adhd. But I do know I don’t want to take meds every day. I wonder if there are non medication options that could help me. But this video is very relatable when you describe what it’s like. I’m a scientist, which interests me, so I haven’t really struggled at work. But now I’ve been asked to manage other scientists and I wonder if there is a way I can do that without draining myself.
Thanks for this video Jon, i'm glad to be able to hear your story so openly I always felt kinda off because i saw so early in life that my way of seeing and navigating the world was different, therefore I as a person was different, and considering MBTI it is clearly Ni dom. I was able to run things in my favor for most of my life until i graduated from college and went to a corporate job (Te was running things for me lol). i knew i could have adhd and only 2 years ago I got a proper diagnosis.. I was on ritalin for almost one year and that was great in that time, similar experience as yours. Last year I changed jobs, went back to college do get a degree in Design and the medication was not necessary because my job and my daily activities were way more stimulating than before and the symptoms were lighter. I know I have characteristics about me that would fit perfectly into an ADHD diagnostics but I, as a human being, don't like to be put in a box (Fi, maybe? haha) because I am way more than these traits, some of them are truly gifts. As I mature (33y), I want to be as comfortable as possible in my own skin, working for a job that fits me the most as possible, with a routine just as good for me and my needs. Two things now I cant leave without: Therapy and exercise, care for the mind and for the body. I hope you're well now =)
I love your story because I relate to it so much! It's oddly interesting that INTJs are willing to change our careers whereas other types feel like it's be a waste of time. I'm glad that your meds worked for you when you needed it and that you found the courage to stop when you knew you were ready to stop. I think I'll get back into exercising because I enjoyed it once and I hope the best for you in the Design world 🙂
Glad to hear that you are free, Jon!! Honestly, I also have similar problem that it is hard for me to engage a very tedious sensory thing.. I could easily fall asleep during lectures or sometimes I had to do random things on my notebook to help me staying awake.. Idk if that's adhd, but I sometimes get random things to do during long lecture.. I never told anyone about this, not even friends or wife... That I could even write a random poem while listening to lectures hahahaa...
I feel your brotha, I used to have ticks my entire life and didn't realize it was my body trying it's best to pay attention. I didn't write poems during lectures but I daydream a lot but I think that's just an Ni thing...hopefully 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 hopefully it's just Ni thing.. I used to have a silly imagination. Like I might listen to the sound of water dripping and I thought I could arrange it into a musical piece... But then again, when I tried to write it down, I could barely remember it again... Nowadays I tried to compensate the situations with writing down notes.. Like when I am listening to an online teaching material (your video for example) and if I have to analyze it thoroughly, or maybe memorize it... I'd have to write down some key words to let me get the meaning.... Otherwise I would fall asleep
Not to sound like I know something… but I believe ADHD is an Executive Function disorder, not an Attention disorder. The problem is activating the part of your brain that tells you to take action, to move, to engage instead of just analyzing or contemplating what ifs. Hope that makes sense. Best of luck to you and everyone struggling with these issues.
It makes so sense.. i once heard that ADHD is called like this because how people with it bothers neurotypical people, like being annoyingly hyperactive or irresponsibly inattentive, far from the real causes.
I'm not an expert in this field either so your guess is probably right. I'm just surprised how easy it is for someone to be presribed the med and how much of a shortage we had recently because so many people were on it.
Interesting that this has been a very recent struggle for me - although in the opposite direction. I started Vyvanse recently for ADHD, and to condense 6 months of observation and experimentation down to a comment I’ll say this - my concentration and ability to focus hasn’t changed much (or at least not noticeably) - but what HAS changed is my executive function. That little voice that tells you “hey, you should probably go do that because it’s necessary / a good idea” has (had) no power over my ability to do things. I would seriously sit at my computer and see all the things I should be doing but have absolutely no power to do it. If there weren’t outside consequences to things that I needed to do, I would never do them. Another positive change has been, in spite of taking a very powerful stimulant, I now sleep better than I ever have in my life. I can actually sleep for 8 hours instead of being limited to 4-6 hours at most. Also my restless legs had completely disappeared. I would love some days in utter agony at how badly my legs ached / twitched. I used to take an anticonvulsant to reduce the symptoms, but it only ever kind of worked. And to speak to your point - when I went off those anticonvulsants I experienced the most intense and artificial feeling depression of my life. I could absolutely tell that the depression was not something being caused by my body, but rather some artificial source. I’m not sure how I could tell, but it was a certainty I am comfortable expressing.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I'm sure there are others reading your comment that are able to relate. There were a lot of benefits from being medicated but I was always aware that it's a bandaid instead of a permanent fix, and I treated it as such. I had the opposite experience and lost sleep and my restlessness increased where I was prescribe another med to combat the increase. It's interesting how meds manifest differently in different people. I hope it continues to improve your life, wishing the best for you ✊
Turns out that I may have an ADHD, but most of the time I just don't care about me being zoning out from everything, I just felt that differences from my very early childhood. Indeed I have a lot of trauma, but I am grateful that I may be those kind of people who are slightly optimistic, I do believe in good things and also kindness, even if I still have a problem with representing it in the form of human interaction. But within times, I learned how to mask it, and yeah, it does hit me somewhere in myself for being not original as a person. And speaking for having a very limited circumstances, I used to being not allowed to do things, and therefore I do not plan much in life even though I ended up being in existential crisis for doing nothing, but yeah, may be we just have to accept that most of the times we really can't control things. Cmiiw, English isn't my mother tongue.
I have ADHD. Never medicated. However, this past year, I got into probiotic yogurts because I was problem solving my husband’s mental health issues. I really don’t get anxious and kinda accepted that my ADHD behaviors are here to stay. For the longest time, I have difficulty starting sleep because my brain just wouldn’t shut off. Well, after consuming those “yogurts”, I started sleeping within 30 minutes of lying down. In terms of focus… there seems to be some improvement. BTW, my husband anxiety, brain fog, depression had lessened noticeably.
Happy to hear that you found something that works! Shutting down my mind is always the most difficult thing to do so I'm all for whatever means you found effective (as long as it's safe) 😁
Muito obrigada Joe!!! Você ajuda grandiosamente!!! No vídeo que tem a capa de Batman, eu vivencio quase tudo que você falou. Não tudo porquê sou INFJ. Então é um grandioso conforto ouvir outras pessoas que também não são bem compreendidas!!! Deus te recompense grandemente!!!😁😊 E é muito rencompensador sermos conscientes, de que temos sagacidade para protejer as pessoas que amamos!!!
I was diagnosed with ADD 1.5 years ago in my 40s. I’ve always questioned my doctor if my so called ADD behaviors are really just because of my INTP/INTJ personality (I’ve recently confirmed to be an INTJ). I’ve taken meds finally after a long struggle for a couple of months now but they do nothing to me. I even asked the doctor to increase my dosage so that I can see if I will really see any results from the meds. As of now, still none. I believe I’ve just been in the Ni Fi loop for the past two years as my life turned upside down and I quit my job. I figured all I need is to find my goals again and find a way to execute them. It will not be easy switching careers but I tell myself if I like what I will be doing, my old INTJ self will be back soon!
You went through what I went through recently and I talked about it in my "Ni-Fi Loop" video. We'll find out way eventually, the important part is to keep showing up ✊
Dear Jon, may I suggest diving deep in meditation. It helped my INTJ husband finish law school while simultaneously holding an office job. It helped me (an INFP) deal with my adhd. Together we went to meditation retreats that lasted for 3 weeks and after that experience life was never the same ❤. Plus you can't get addicted. 🙂
Did you appear more like INTP when you are unmedicated? I can't tell if I'm an INTP or an unmedicated intj because when I'm at my healthiest I tend to be more focused, strategic and goal-oriented
Im an INTJ and i was diagnosed in kindergarten. Growing up i took, Ritalin, Adderall and another one. I stopped taking it at the age of 15. No more zombie and i could finally eat something.
@@justcallmejon22 i was pretty much not in my chair i would be running around making loud distracting noises. The teachers couldn't handle me so they complained and said she needs drugs. When theres more students than teachers its very hard for all students to get the help they need. But then again i dont see a real purpose in public schools unless you want to take an imaginative child and turn them into a dull little sociopath. Im all in for homeschooling.
I'm glad I'm off of meds as well but I'm not completely against it since I'm aware of it's benefits. Maybe one day there's a way to create meds that won't have all the negative side effects, that would be heaven 😀
@@justcallmejon22 I think meds should be used only in dire situations like surgery or infections, certainly not daily or to kill a headache. These are made in a lab with all sorts of chemicals. The only way we won't have side effects is if we mutate into something else other than human. Our digestive system is strong, but it has limits how much of what can it digest. However, yes, if somehow there were no side effects, that would be a different story :)
I have a lot to say about these topics, not just as an INTJ, but as someone who had ADD forcefully labeled upon me for not being motivated to pay attention to teachers who failed to convinced me why anything they were teaching me was important. In college, I studied a lot of psychology as a biological and social science, and the way these diagnoses are given are constantly being reevaluated and changed as the society we live in is changing. But i know hearing the opinions and criticisms of a random guy in the comments with a stupid can of pickles as his avatar, so if you really want to hear some advice or a different perspective on what you’re going through, Reply and I will try my best to be helpful in the most professional manner possible.
Supposedly Se gets distracted easily. Can you differentiate the normal distractions that come from your Se verses the type coming from someone with ADHD?
I'm going to be honest, i'm not sure. I havent really put much thought into this question and I don't want to talk out of my a$$ just to speak. My guess is that Se is distracted by the outside world and Ni is distracted by the inner world.
Interesting.... I very often listen to lectures at 75 are even 50% speed, and I definitely did that with you. I didn't know you were all jacked up! I thought that was your normal. I'm still not finished with the video, but I wanted to just drop a supplements in your lap for you to research... Lithium Orotate. (Not Lithium carbonate)
I got diagnosed with adhd in second grade. Formely diagnosed my brainwaves got messured. In 4. grade I desided to don't take it any more. I really often question if it was the right desicion. I don't evdn know why I didn't wanted to take it anymore.
@@justcallmejon22I tried methylphenidat and medikinet retard. I have strong add and its to hard without meds for me. I wouldn't be able to complete the 11 grade. My toughts on the medikation are. Its like being in flowstate the whole time. I think it would be perfekt for me if there were a medikation that only lasts for 90 minutes to work in 90 minute time blocks
He might be an ISFP but I've been following him for two decades listening to a lot of his interviews. He lives and breaths Ni and he's not an INTJ so by process of elimination, he must be an INFJ. BUTT, I might be wrong 😅
i've taken an anti-seizure med for the last 40 years, and would really like to not have to take it because too many doctors refuse to treat seizure patients, even with a referral. Even neurologists. that's one class of meds you can't just stop taking, even tapering off, it takes a year to successfully taper off. I tried bc no Dr available after my Dr retired (without referring any of his patients to another dr,) disasterous results. Please be careful, these meds have weird side effects or even weirder withdrawl symptoms. i'm sorry you felt so bad when you stopped the adhd med, stationary cars moving is very disorienting, very scary.
Thank you for sharing your experience and I hope you find a doctor that will assist you soon. Taking medication really is a gamble because there's so many things that needs to be considered pre and post medication. Hoping for the best for you ✊
oh, a new Dr found a dedicated adult seizure-only specialty clinic, and i have an appointment this upcoming week! thank-you, jon! i've taken the med w/out problems for 40 years. @@justcallmejon22
I would strongly take a look at Objective Personality System. You talk and act like a consume first type. No INTJ would need to expel so much information like u do. I think you are definitely an ENFP or INFP.
I appreciate the concern and since we're on the topic of OPS, you should probably read more about 'Double Deciders'. To say that a type 'doesn't do something' instead of 'doesn't do something often' is a misinterpretation of MBTI being used as a tool and not an identity.
Nothing is wrong with not being able to engage with people emotionally at work when you have things to do especially when they're talking about nonsense. It's not that you can't access your feelings, the person's conversation is just mind numbingly boring.
Hello, don't worry. You will get out your loop. Maybe acknowledge your feeling ... that's how I try get out of mine ( BTW this method take about 5 weeks for me so ... Idk if it will work for you )
I'm sadden to hear that you're currently in the loop. I know you didn't ask for my advice but I was to second what @thewierderthebetter said and to make sure you take a moment to acknowledge and actually feel your feelings. Whenever you're ready, the easiest way to get out of the loop is to engage with Te so reach out to someone you know that has Te in their upper slots and you'll be back to normal in no time. The community is here with you my friend, dont ever feel like you're alone ✊
Huh.... What the do you even mean ???? If your brain goes brrrrr on ADHD meds YOU DON'T HAVE ADHD. PPL with ADHD feel calm & composed & peaceful when the medication hits...
Só peça para Jesus que ele te cure! Converse com ele! Ele vai destruir esse transtorno na sua vida! Sou INFJ, você sabe que eu sei o que estou dizendo! Conheço muito bem o poder de Jesus, conheço o mundo espiritual! Fique em paz! Só conte/informe para Ele os prejuizos que esse transtorno te dão, e Ele vai exterminar isso da sua vida!
@@justcallmejon22 Você está correto em não aceitá-las, pois Jesus não está em nenhuma religião!!! Desejo que você tenha muitas vitórias, nos desafios do dia-a-dia, querido!!!
As someone with severe ADHD and an INTJ, who is medicated, I can tell you, adderall saved my life. I have a combined presentation, and was throughly tested at 25, I couldn’t sit still, pay attention, and I was always anxious, and depressed because I couldn’t complete small tasks, and my head was always overwhelmed with thoughts and I couldn’t stop it, I couldn’t stop the noise, when I took my medication all the sudden the noise slowed down, I remember napping for hours with my first dose because my brain finally settled down to a pace I could tolerate, my anxiety and depression slowly faded away because I could organize my thoughts, I became less irritable, I gained control over my impulsivities, especially oversharing, which as an INTJ I hate and always makes me feel like I shared too much. On meds I can decide what I want to share. I remember to take care of myself and enjoy the things I like doing without being overwhelmed or constantly playing “catch up” to the point I become overwhelmed and irritable. It sounds like you might have the inattentive type, and I’ve noticed stimulants seem to do the opposite than for the subtypes with hyperactivity. For me I talk slower, I don’t Interupt as much, I can actually sleep at night with 4million thoughts running through my head, and I have more autonomy on myself and brain. For me, it does the opposite as you, and that’s okay. In the true words of my APRN “if that shit does not work for you and you don’t like how it makes you feel, stop taking it” I’ve also been taking them for years and to this day, I have almost a month back stock because I still forget to take them, I got my wisdom teeth removed and I stopped cold turkey for a week and I didn’t have a bad reaction or withdrawals. So I know Im not dependent, withdrawals only happen when you’re taking too much and you don’t need it. I first tried it at a party and I became quiet, stopped drinking, and went to sleep. They stayed up all night partying. I had tried it the one time and I didn’t think much of it, until years later where they started to become sober and they were having these withdrawals. It’s such a slippery medication because there’s not a lot of people I know (only 2) that share the same effect as me, where it basically stops us from being anxious feral goblins. I hope this journey is easy on you on discovering what works and doesn’t work for you, you are doing what’s best for you, and I’m proud of you for doing what’s right for you.
That's amazing, we're happy for you
I'm so happy to hear that it's working as intended for you. Hearing stories like your own makes me wonder if I even had it at all, which leads to me questioning why I was even prescribed in the first place. Whatever the cause might be, I'm glad that science advanced to the point where people like yourself are now able given an even playing field. I hope it continues to improve your life ✊
The pain in your voice is so resonant and touching. I am sure all intuitives have felt the same at one point, wondering why we need so much support just to function in everyday society. The more we realize our seeming “disabilities” are actually strengths, the better off we will be at fulfilling our potential.
so true! i think it's a lifelong learning journey
Hey, Jon, I'm an ENTJ with ADHD, wasn't diagnosed until my mid-30s. I tried Ritalin and Adderol and decided their cost was not justified by their effectiveness (or lack thereof). I have found that reading about ADHD and using tips the books suggest help me just as much or more. My favorite ADD book is "Driven to Distraction" by Edward Hallowell, full of practical advice. I'm not 'cured', but certain things I can manage pretty well because of having information.
Thank you for the book recommendation! I'll take a look at it soon 🙂
Good on you for wanting to take control of yourself and not relying on medication. Stay strong brother, the community you're building has your back. ✊
Thank you brotha, I always feel the support from you ✊
Fascinating, I've always thought that, in term of neurodivergence, Ni doms are more suceptible to autism (while Ne users are more to adhd). I might've been wrong then, thanks for sharing!
You might be right but I personally find it difficult to attribute neurological issues to MBTI types instead of it being an individual case. But who knows! I'm not a doctor so my guess has as much weight as a feather 😅
Hi Jon! I just replied to your other video about making a topic on this and 8 hours later you posted a video. Thank you so much for this and I am sorry for the things you went through. It must've been tough. *virtual hugs
I'm an INTJ woman and I have ADHD symptoms but, I'm not diagnosed yet. I have an appointment next month and I am nervous about it. My symptoms really affect me in my day to day life. It has become really frustrating. I could sit in front of the computer for hours doing nothing, not eating anything because I would forget and I lose track of time. It feels like when I blink, 6 hours had pass. Doing the things that interest me isn't helping me live a normal life, I have been having these difficulties for years and I finally gathered the courage to ask for professional help.
I will take what you said seriously and will try to not abuse if they prescribed me meds.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I'm a avid believer in trying things out for yourself and then figuring out what makes the most sense. You know yourself the best. In regards to losing track of time, it got worse for me when I was medicated. The moment I start working on a project, a few hours will go by and then it's dinner time, similar to when we're in our Ni geek mode. The past few weeks, i've noticed how long the days are since I've been off of it. I used to glance at the clock and be worried because time went by so fast, now I glance at the clock and realize that I still have the rest of the day to fill.
Buttttt, test, test, test. Medication helped in so many ways and opened my eyes up to another world that I was previously unaware of. If anything, just make sure to treat yourself as a test subject and adjust as needed. I'm all for treatment if it's needed but I'm also against too much medication because I've experience first hand how it messes up your body. Good luck fellow INTJ and I'm here as a resource if needed ✊
Dude! I came to the Same conclusion. Thanks for sharing, as when I explain everyone thinks I’m off with the fairies. ADHD is a word for the sensory people to understand what we are doing in our minds. As it’s to conceptual for them to grasp.
To add. The same concept I see happening when dislectia gets diagnosed.
I agree that most people are misdiagnosed and it's just easier to slap an ADHD label than actually treat the issue. On the other hand, there are >7 billion people in the world so I think it's likely that there's at least a handful of people that meds with help more than hurt. Whether I'm one of those people is over my paygrade to figure out 😅
@@justcallmejon22 agreed! What if we are the once’s who most likely can figure it out with our minds :) on another note. How do manage your energy? This seemed eye opening for my “ADHD” management.
We evolved a variety of neural networks to best fit a variety of specific environments. ADHD for example is well fitted to hunters. Meds are used in our current environment to force a beautiful variety of brain structures into a one size fits all conformity. Resist the machine.
But the Matrix was so fun 😂
This was so interesting to listen to from your perspective Jon! As a female INTJ with autism that has never taken any medication I often feel left out and wierd. Also, it was so interesting hearing you talk about the experience with medication and suddenly feeling like you wanted to engage with people, ande FEEL like you wanted to. Because yes, I guess an INTJs "normal" state is to not be disturbed while working so that you can just (as you said) leave haha, at least I really felt that. I have a hard time feeling stuff normally and THAT makes me sad, seeing other people having an easy time feling for others and being able to genually care about others.. But what I've learned is that i have qualities that others don't have that are pretty cool, which I think medication would take away from me.
Girllll, I miss that feeling every single day! The ability to feel emotions immediately and enjoy the company of others while living in the moment. It really felt like I was able to embody all MBTI types at the exact same time so I understand the sadness you feel because I feel it as well. With that said, you're perfect the way you are and I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to be you. I support your decision whether to take or not take meds, you know yourself best my INTJ sister ✊
Jon, your video touched me deeply! Your story is truly moving, and the unfiltered version of yourself is absolutely incredible. You do a great job destigmatizing ADHD and illustrating your experience with it. 👏
Thank you Joyce 🙂
im so glad i found your page, my husband is a intj and as soon as i began playing this it was erie the similarities hahah, love it. :) from a infp wife.
Congrats on landing an INTJ! He sounds like a cool dude 😁
@justcallmejon22 he is and i feel special I'm the one he wants to spend time with. 😁
My ADHD is pretty apparent. I am a correctional officer. I have to count inmates daily. If I was interrupted by anything, I would immediately lose count. The advantage is that you can pay attention to everything simultaneously but nothing specifically. So in an environment that has a lot going on, it's not bad. However I would lose the point of arguments, look for something that is already in my hand, and reading for prolonged periods of time was impossible. So medication was needed. But I am glad you hit this point because when I took the test and got an INTJ mastermind, I was like "how the hell did I screw up a no wrong answer test?" I definitely had imposter syndrome because I thought I was too ditsy for INTJ to be correct. Turns out I am INTJ but my ADHD was masking my potential and giving me doubts of what I can really do when I have focus.
Stoicism and mediation have helped immensely.
The quality of your content just continues to soar.
I personally find it very nice to hear about the experiences and insights from a respectable person who is wired similarly to me.
I was also diagnosed with ADHD when I was a late teen, but have always doubted my diagnosis. I dislike being medicated and I choose not to take them the majority of the time these days.
About ADHD, I am finding that the more I learn about myself, personality theories, everything else in life in general, I feel that a lot of the symptoms that would lead to or overlap with an ADHD diagnosis are related to my core temperament (for example, I can’t bring myself to do things I think are trivial, aren’t urgent, inessential to my values or immediate survival, which comes across as lazy and low conscientiousness. Or I can be situationally unaware while lost in thought (Ni/introspection - a greater focus on the internal world and processes compared to the external)
I find this all fascinating to think about and think there is still much to be learned and explored in psychiatry and the brain. Even if 1st year psychology classes, the first thing they teach you is that the DSM is not a perfectly objective tool, there is a lot of subjectivity and human judgment to it, so I remind myself not to get too caught up in whether my diagnosis is right or wrong, as if there is such a thing.
Learning about cognitive function really is an eye opening experience because I agree that a lot of symptoms of ADHD overlaps with simply being an intuitive. I'm glad you decided to hold off on taking medication, it didn't work as intended for me but I have other comments saying that it's been a game changer for them. I'm glad you found a path that works for your own lifestyle ✊
INFJ here 👋
I don't want to write too much.. But I've been into typology for a while, realised that I classify with the innatentive adhd, and made the connections with the intuitive type as well as you. I have been thinking about this a looooot. Agree with everything you said (and didn't say), and all I can see is that it's the world that is wrong. While we keep evolving as humans, we are expected to still live as animals.
I want to try medication to get where I want, but I plan to just take it the days I really need it. I love my mind, and I don't want to get numb.
I hope you can live happily without it, sending all my INFJ love from Sweden ❤❤
Oh and I recently found your channel, I hope you keep doing this because I love your videos. Obviously I love your brain too 🥰
Hallå! Happy to hear that you're enjoying the content and I feel like most people will arrive at the same conclusion we have about Intuitive if they just decide to listen (and companies care more about people than profit). I don't really have an addictive personality but the feeling of being able to feel other people and their emotions is something that I might get sucked into again. I'm glad that you found a system that works for you and I know I'll get through it like i do everything else in life 😅
Your description of the emotional piece / habits in connecting with others was helpful 🙏🏾
Appreciate it 🙏
I stopped taking my meds 2 years ago after major surgery and I am managing really well with tools. knowing is better, and there are so many accomodations nowadays for ADHDers.
I'm commenting as I'm watching -
my friend ( INTJ) seems very ADHD but also I think it's more an INTJ thing too. like you mentioned with boredom lol.
I knew I had ADHD when I would be speaking to someone face to face, and hear someone across the room significantly louder. I would tune in on that and completely ignore the person in front of me. it is frustrating!!
😂 "IDK WTF I was even talking about" -said EVERYONE with ADHD 😮💨🤔🧐
you def have it 😂 but you can def manage without meds! plus is better to not be on it LONG TERM. maybe take breaks if you're able to, try different tools and accommodations in the interim, and then if you absolutely need it, then go for it.
@@stephaniehubert11 Everyone with high intuition lost their train of thoughts sometimes, it just the way we operate, jump from an idea to another, it just how the intuition function. Trafic jam of information in our head, and after we have a blank. adhd or just high intuition ?
It's always refreshing to hear that other people have gone through what I went through and are functioning properly. I'm aware of my resources and I'll make sure to seek help if I need it. Thank you for your support and I hope for nothing but sunshine and rainbows for your future 🙂
Thank you for your willingness to be vulnerable with us and to share your experiences. I was diagnosed this week and I have been managing for 39yrs without meds but my little children are getting older and things are going to really start getting busier. I have 5 of my own and 2 bonus kids so I will be discussing with my therapist and with my family the options I can do that will be the best help for our family. I'm nervous about trying the slow release medication but I'm willing to look at all the other options as well.
The best advice that I can provide is just to test them all out. I was unable to sleep on slow release so I decided to stay on quick release. Rick and Morty explain quick release the best during one of their skit where Rick said, "God, do I need to take more Adderall or am I taking too much Adderall" because there's a point where you just can't concentrate. I hope things turn out better for you and I'm here as a resource if you need it ✊
You didn’t feel like your life was all about putting out constant fires? One chaos after another? I am your age, but was diagnosed at 33. Adderall just made life so much easier for me. I used to be unable to go grocery shopping or especially not Walmart. Granted, she told me I had one of the most severe cases ADHD she’s seen. 😁
INFP/ENFP with ADHD here! This video was so relatable, especially the “what the fuck am I talking about” part in the middle of a long ramble LMAO. I was diagnosed really young and was on medication for a whole year, switching between new medications every month because it simply did not work on me. I suppose it _did_ work, just not as intended. You mentioned the ability to be focused on anything with full interest, now imagine that with now instead of focusing on anything else I was intently focusing on how my inner body was feeling the whole time. I felt so unbelievably numb all the time (ON medication), my brain felt so empty.. so quiet. It felt like I couldn’t think. It was suffocating. The only thing I could focus on was the way my heart thrummed or the complete emptiness I felt. I would beg my parents not to put me on medication, but to them they thought it was a condition & this was my only ‘cure’. I even tried to bring my concerns up to my doctor, which she would promptly reply with “you must not be on medication right now.” completely invaliding my feelings. I felt helpless. There was a time where they were experimenting giving me short doses & long doses, whenever they gave me the long doses they noticed I was doing better a couple hours after giving it whereas when they gave me the short dose I was completely unable to do anything until it was late into the night. They were telling the doc this when she stopped them asked for the description of the pills, they quickly realized they had mixed up the pills and what they thought was the “long dose” that was doing me so well was actually the short dose. I was only able to concentrate better when the pill wore off. The doctors finally decided to pull me off medication entirely, which I’m eternally grateful for. (But I will never forget the condescension against my concerns before this happened)
I never want to feel that way ever ever again. I genuinely feel like going through that for a whole year has changed me as a person and will impact me for the rest of my life, I randomly went from being a loud active kid to a subdued quiet kid who would just sit around and do nothing. I still struggle with ADHD problems in this society, but I’m able to work past a lot of my obstacles- I just need to work twice as hard.
Anyways sorry for the dumping, but I thought I’d share my experience! This is not to scare anyone from doing medication however, it may prove very beneficial to some or you might just end up like me. It’s always best to give it a shot and see how *you* feel about it!
Also I completely relate to being unsure if you have adhd or not, but I heard a research that concluded if someone without ADHD takes adderall or any other kind of adhd medicine there will be no effects on them, or if anything, it inhibits them.
Oof that's hella rough, so sorry to hear hat. Good that it's now over tho
It saddens me to hear your experience and I really hope that you're in a better place now. I dated someone previously that was in the same situation where she was on a different med ever so often and constantly couldn't feel anything. She told me that I was her rock because after all the meds, she couldn't figure out who she was anymore because most of the time she couldn't even feel. I'm not against medication either but I feel like it's being glamourized right now and the voices of people who were negatively affected are drowned out by 'experts'. I feel your pain INFP/ENFP and I'm glad you got out of the cycle. We'll get through life together ✊
Hey! ❤ I have ADHD, and I paused it at 1:25. I am on the max at 60mg, and it makes my mind quiet and peaceful. Slows it down. If you felt that you couldn’t catch up with speaking, you likely were at too high of a dosage. Docs around our gen often prescribed too much.❤
60mg, how are you still alive?!! I agree, it really does feel like too much sometimes hence once of the reason why I stopped. I'm glad to hear that it works for you ❤
Jon, you have been helping me in so many ways. I am soon creating and sharing content myself, and I totally had to laugh out loud when you said this is the 21st time I've tried to make this video.😂😂😂 that pretty much sounds like something I'll be doing .
" anything worth doing is worth doing poorly". Meaning that when we first start something very often we kind of suck, so I've been telling myself I need to allow that.
My stuff will be about holistic health and healing, sacred geometry, astrology, arts and crafts, and maybe my kitty cat 😁
Congrats on starting your content creation journey! One of my favorite quote is, "Sucking at something is the first step towards being sorta good at something." Send me a link to your first video and best of luck! ✊
Not me, an ADHD INTJ, procrastinating to watch this video.....
Gotta make sure the mood is right?! 😉
I'm an INTJ. I always was, had adhd as a child, never diagnosed coz mental health isn't a thing in Asian middle class families. I didn't get along with my classmates, got left out by EVERY SINGLE ONE on my BIRTHDAY, i left the hope of being THEIR FRIEND and befriend a senior but they couldn't take it and startedto frame me for it by calling it a lesbian relationship, in a Christian school, they asked one of us to leave the school(happened between 10-12 yr age). I lost hope in friendship and HUMANITY IN GENERAL.. i stopped feeling the need to express, explain or even depend. Soon my dad got transferred and i left with him. My emotional dependence on my mom started to fade due to the distance. New school, new start as i thought... i made a BESTTTT FRIEND WE WERE A VIBE but it broke in an year after i left the after school class.. i came out too possessive on her when her school bestie came in coz i didn't wanted to lose her years passed and i got depressed.. school teachers hated me, i got behind the class coz of my incapability (at least what i thought) i tested for mbti for the 2nd time (1st time was when i didn't even know what that was) it came out istj. I was LOCKED on my bed, failed 4 of 5 subjects,couldn't focus.. had to come back to my mom.. joined extra classes... i would stab myself with fork, pens or sometime nail scratches till i see blood AND SOON SHIFTED TO LONG SLEEVES numb all over or maybe i forced myself to do it... later after constant efforts to do bare minimum from my side, i thought to love myself (a very funny sentence) i did what i could, went from failing 4 subjects to scoring 94% in finals but i was exhausted... it was worth it... gained 36kgs in 2 months, diagnosed pcod...... slump came BACK FOR 1 WHOLE YEAR IT WAS A MESS(saw what ni-fi loop was).... next year got into final year of senior school... peak era of intj (ni-fi was getting better) scored 83% in finals....
In present gave national exam... gonna retake it but this time no extra after school classes, no peers to handle... I'm gonna be alone and focus on myself
Well, pretty much it.
Just wanted to share. Haha fk it's long.
This is a great topic! I am an intj woman with high functioning autism. I find these videos highly interesting.
I'm glad my pain is entertaining! JK, I'm happy i'm off of meds 🙂
@@justcallmejon22i am really happy for you you are off the medication. I have been pressured a lot by so many people to start taking medication. But i just don't want to feel and act different than i am and people don't seem to understand my decision. I love watching your videos.
@@justcallmejon22i am so sorry you went trough such a hard time. Of course i didn't mean that was entertaining😥, just these videos in general.
You look so calm and happy man🤩🤩🤩🤩
I am so happy for you 🌅🌅🌅
This is a funny coincidence. I've been wondering recently if I have undiagnosed adhd. There are certain things I used to struggle with that I learned to use it as a tool that lined up with a lot of the symptoms. Rts games really helped with that. Doing 300 things a minute. 😅
MOBAs and city building games are my go to 😉
@justcallmejon22 I love city builders too but mobas are too reliant on other people for me.
Infj here! Love this! I have an INTJ in my life and from observation I think it would be really cool to see a video from you talking about INTJs way of viewing challenges or like how INTJs test things. All the INTJs i know of in my life love coming up with new business ideas but it seems they always get to a certain point with them and then like an A4 piece a paper they are so quick to screw it up and trash it and sometimes even after investing A LOT of time and effort and sometimes even money. I would love to here your INTJ perspective on this process and maybe even your insights to how INTJs can turn their passions into healthier goals and succeed. 😊
It's usually a roadblock that we don't have the skills or resources necessary to continue. Or we made a complete mess of it and said fk it.
*intj didn't really do sunk cost fallacy.
@@PaleGhost69 do you think there is a way to combat this.. it’s kind of hard to watch from an out side perspective. I hate seeing the high excitement quickly turn to complete off switch. It has to be disheartening to repeat that cycle.. or is it 🤔
100% what @paleghost69 said; Sunkcost fallacy is something that doesn't really affect INTJs. I also want to challenge your way of thinking because you're looking at it from a caring Fe viewpoint whereas and INTJ lives & breathes Te when we're healthy. Your INTJ friends came up with an idea, they tried it, and realized that for one reason or another, it's not what they want to continue doing. Instead of looking at it as if they gave up, look at it that they gave it a try. Ni & Fi is constantly updating so if an INTJ changes their mind about something, they changed it for a reason. Ask them if they need help and if they say no, just leave it as is. The best thing you can do for an INTJ is keep space for them and be a sounding board. Thank you for taking care of my INTJ siblings, I really do appreciate you INFJs ❤
@katebrookes2068 It's a little disappointing but we always take a lot from the experience into other projects. What helped me was getting a handyman friend that was able to look at it from the builder view instead of the engineer. Maybe you can help them network?
@@justcallmejon22 So true Jon You just spoke my thoughts.Sujkncoet fallacy doesn't affect INTJ. But, people say we need to commit for long time to see results,but I don't know when to drop off the plan ? Or continue doing the same thing? A big applause ✨to speak boldly about your medications.Hope you are doing fine now😇
"in order to fit in" - the world is changing and there are so many more (and constantly evolving) opportunities for people to function embracing their differences. Never before has the workplace been so dynamic, so flexible and, if approached with the right mindset and confidence, filled with opportunity. Sitting still in classrooms was designed to engineer us for 9-5 workdays to rebuild a post-war world. AI will continue to change the future workplace landscape completely and educational "institutions" will have to evolve or they will die out.
As an INTJ Aquarius Ive never fit in anywhere, it was hard in my teens and 20s. Maslow's "belonging" need is the trcky one to get past, but once you do, the world is your oaster! And once you get past it, "fitting in" wont even be a thought.
After listening to you it seems like I'm winning and improved a lot on my own
Happy to hear that brotha ✊
This was my exact experience going through the same thing last year. Once again, you have created a video I relate to deeply
Did you find peace?
@@justcallmejon22 Yes and no. I no longer crave adderall because my natural mindset and dopamine baseline has become normalized; however, I still very much struggle to focus on things outside of interest. Also, socializing / engaging with others (especially in a work setting) feels like an obligation.
You will definitely get through this; but it will take time to readjust and develop methods to mitigate the difficulties that adderall solved.
I’m a 36 yo INTJ and I’ve always said things like, I’m not adhd, I’m just an intj. My brain works differently than what society decided is preferred and that’s not my fault. I learned to “fake it” when I’m around other people and power through things that don’t interest me. But after talking with some people lately, I’m not so sure it is intj or if it’s a combination of intj and adhd. But I do know I don’t want to take meds every day. I wonder if there are non medication options that could help me. But this video is very relatable when you describe what it’s like. I’m a scientist, which interests me, so I haven’t really struggled at work. But now I’ve been asked to manage other scientists and I wonder if there is a way I can do that without draining myself.
Thank you for commenting! I don't have an answer either but it's nice to hear the experience from a fellow INTJ ❤
I’m really happy for you, Jon!💖 congratulations💕 and thank you very much for sharing 🩷
Thank you ❤
Thanks for this video Jon, i'm glad to be able to hear your story so openly
I always felt kinda off because i saw so early in life that my way of seeing and navigating the world was different, therefore I as a person was different, and considering MBTI it is clearly Ni dom. I was able to run things in my favor for most of my life until i graduated from college and went to a corporate job (Te was running things for me lol). i knew i could have adhd and only 2 years ago I got a proper diagnosis.. I was on ritalin for almost one year and that was great in that time, similar experience as yours. Last year I changed jobs, went back to college do get a degree in Design and the medication was not necessary because my job and my daily activities were way more stimulating than before and the symptoms were lighter. I know I have characteristics about me that would fit perfectly into an ADHD diagnostics but I, as a human being, don't like to be put in a box (Fi, maybe? haha) because I am way more than these traits, some of them are truly gifts.
As I mature (33y), I want to be as comfortable as possible in my own skin, working for a job that fits me the most as possible, with a routine just as good for me and my needs. Two things now I cant leave without: Therapy and exercise, care for the mind and for the body.
I hope you're well now =)
I love your story because I relate to it so much! It's oddly interesting that INTJs are willing to change our careers whereas other types feel like it's be a waste of time. I'm glad that your meds worked for you when you needed it and that you found the courage to stop when you knew you were ready to stop. I think I'll get back into exercising because I enjoyed it once and I hope the best for you in the Design world 🙂
Glad to hear that you are free, Jon!! Honestly, I also have similar problem that it is hard for me to engage a very tedious sensory thing.. I could easily fall asleep during lectures or sometimes I had to do random things on my notebook to help me staying awake..
Idk if that's adhd, but I sometimes get random things to do during long lecture.. I never told anyone about this, not even friends or wife... That I could even write a random poem while listening to lectures hahahaa...
I feel your brotha, I used to have ticks my entire life and didn't realize it was my body trying it's best to pay attention. I didn't write poems during lectures but I daydream a lot but I think that's just an Ni thing...hopefully 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 hopefully it's just Ni thing.. I used to have a silly imagination. Like I might listen to the sound of water dripping and I thought I could arrange it into a musical piece... But then again, when I tried to write it down, I could barely remember it again...
Nowadays I tried to compensate the situations with writing down notes.. Like when I am listening to an online teaching material (your video for example) and if I have to analyze it thoroughly, or maybe memorize it... I'd have to write down some key words to let me get the meaning.... Otherwise I would fall asleep
Not to sound like I know something… but I believe ADHD is an Executive Function disorder, not an Attention disorder. The problem is activating the part of your brain that tells you to take action, to move, to engage instead of just analyzing or contemplating what ifs. Hope that makes sense.
Best of luck to you and everyone struggling with these issues.
It makes so sense.. i once heard that ADHD is called like this because how people with it bothers neurotypical people, like being annoyingly hyperactive or irresponsibly inattentive, far from the real causes.
I'm not an expert in this field either so your guess is probably right. I'm just surprised how easy it is for someone to be presribed the med and how much of a shortage we had recently because so many people were on it.
Interesting that this has been a very recent struggle for me - although in the opposite direction.
I started Vyvanse recently for ADHD, and to condense 6 months of observation and experimentation down to a comment I’ll say this - my concentration and ability to focus hasn’t changed much (or at least not noticeably) - but what HAS changed is my executive function.
That little voice that tells you “hey, you should probably go do that because it’s necessary / a good idea” has (had) no power over my ability to do things. I would seriously sit at my computer and see all the things I should be doing but have absolutely no power to do it. If there weren’t outside consequences to things that I needed to do, I would never do them.
Another positive change has been, in spite of taking a very powerful stimulant, I now sleep better than I ever have in my life. I can actually sleep for 8 hours instead of being limited to 4-6 hours at most.
Also my restless legs had completely disappeared. I would love some days in utter agony at how badly my legs ached / twitched. I used to take an anticonvulsant to reduce the symptoms, but it only ever kind of worked.
And to speak to your point - when I went off those anticonvulsants I experienced the most intense and artificial feeling depression of my life. I could absolutely tell that the depression was not something being caused by my body, but rather some artificial source. I’m not sure how I could tell, but it was a certainty I am comfortable expressing.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I'm sure there are others reading your comment that are able to relate. There were a lot of benefits from being medicated but I was always aware that it's a bandaid instead of a permanent fix, and I treated it as such. I had the opposite experience and lost sleep and my restlessness increased where I was prescribe another med to combat the increase. It's interesting how meds manifest differently in different people. I hope it continues to improve your life, wishing the best for you ✊
Turns out that I may have an ADHD, but most of the time I just don't care about me being zoning out from everything, I just felt that differences from my very early childhood. Indeed I have a lot of trauma, but I am grateful that I may be those kind of people who are slightly optimistic, I do believe in good things and also kindness, even if I still have a problem with representing it in the form of human interaction.
But within times, I learned how to mask it, and yeah, it does hit me somewhere in myself for being not original as a person.
And speaking for having a very limited circumstances, I used to being not allowed to do things, and therefore I do not plan much in life even though I ended up being in existential crisis for doing nothing, but yeah, may be we just have to accept that most of the times we really can't control things.
Cmiiw, English isn't my mother tongue.
I have ADHD. Never medicated. However, this past year, I got into probiotic yogurts because I was problem solving my husband’s mental health issues. I really don’t get anxious and kinda accepted that my ADHD behaviors are here to stay. For the longest time, I have difficulty starting sleep because my brain just wouldn’t shut off. Well, after consuming those “yogurts”, I started sleeping within 30 minutes of lying down. In terms of focus… there seems to be some improvement. BTW, my husband anxiety, brain fog, depression had lessened noticeably.
Happy to hear that you found something that works! Shutting down my mind is always the most difficult thing to do so I'm all for whatever means you found effective (as long as it's safe) 😁
Muito obrigada Joe!!! Você ajuda grandiosamente!!! No vídeo que tem a capa de Batman, eu vivencio quase tudo que você falou. Não tudo porquê sou INFJ. Então é um grandioso conforto ouvir outras pessoas que também não são bem compreendidas!!! Deus te recompense grandemente!!!😁😊 E é muito rencompensador sermos conscientes, de que temos sagacidade para protejer as pessoas que amamos!!!
Obrigado pelas amáveis palavras 🙂
I was diagnosed with ADD 1.5 years ago in my 40s. I’ve always questioned my doctor if my so called ADD behaviors are really just because of my INTP/INTJ personality (I’ve recently confirmed to be an INTJ). I’ve taken meds finally after a long struggle for a couple of months now but they do nothing to me. I even asked the doctor to increase my dosage so that I can see if I will really see any results from the meds. As of now, still none. I believe I’ve just been in the Ni Fi loop for the past two years as my life turned upside down and I quit my job. I figured all I need is to find my goals again and find a way to execute them. It will not be easy switching careers but I tell myself if I like what I will be doing, my old INTJ self will be back soon!
You went through what I went through recently and I talked about it in my "Ni-Fi Loop" video. We'll find out way eventually, the important part is to keep showing up ✊
Dear Jon, may I suggest diving deep in meditation. It helped my INTJ husband finish law school while simultaneously holding an office job. It helped me (an INFP) deal with my adhd. Together we went to meditation retreats that lasted for 3 weeks and after that experience life was never the same ❤. Plus you can't get addicted. 🙂
"Plus you can't get addicted", challenge accepted 😁. I appreciate the recommendation and I'm slowly incorporating it into my life.
@@justcallmejon22 You're welcome dear 😊
I understand what withdrawal from "head pills" is like. I feel your pain.
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Did you appear more like INTP when you are unmedicated? I can't tell if I'm an INTP or an unmedicated intj because when I'm at my healthiest I tend to be more focused, strategic and goal-oriented
Now that I've been off of it for a while, I've learned to regain my focus. I think it was the environment I was in that exacerbated the problem.
Great work mate. 👏 it must be hard
The things that are worth it always are ✊
Broooo it looks dope and the video actually looks the dope damn 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
And nice content as always 🌅🌅
And your voice modulation is also fab 🤯🤩🤩🤩
I appreciate the kind words and I think my voice modulation is part of my appeal at this point, for better or worse 😅
@@justcallmejon22 its definitely better 🤩🤩🤩🤩
:: hug :: curious to see where this part of your journey takes you👏🏼
Same 🙂
Im an INTJ and i was diagnosed in kindergarten. Growing up i took, Ritalin, Adderall and another one. I stopped taking it at the age of 15. No more zombie and i could finally eat something.
I'm glad you got off of it. I'm not a fan of prescribing pills to teenagers unless it's clear that it's required ✊
@@justcallmejon22 i was pretty much not in my chair i would be running around making loud distracting noises. The teachers couldn't handle me so they complained and said she needs drugs. When theres more students than teachers its very hard for all students to get the help they need. But then again i dont see a real purpose in public schools unless you want to take an imaginative child and turn them into a dull little sociopath. Im all in for homeschooling.
Great decision to get off meds! We live in the Brave New World, but we should know better.
I'm glad I'm off of meds as well but I'm not completely against it since I'm aware of it's benefits. Maybe one day there's a way to create meds that won't have all the negative side effects, that would be heaven 😀
@@justcallmejon22 I think meds should be used only in dire situations like surgery or infections, certainly not daily or to kill a headache. These are made in a lab with all sorts of chemicals. The only way we won't have side effects is if we mutate into something else other than human. Our digestive system is strong, but it has limits how much of what can it digest. However, yes, if somehow there were no side effects, that would be a different story :)
I have a lot to say about these topics, not just as an INTJ, but as someone who had ADD forcefully labeled upon me for not being motivated to pay attention to teachers who failed to convinced me why anything they were teaching me was important. In college, I studied a lot of psychology as a biological and social science, and the way these diagnoses are given are constantly being reevaluated and changed as the society we live in is changing.
But i know hearing the opinions and criticisms of a random guy in the comments with a stupid can of pickles as his avatar, so if you really want to hear some advice or a different perspective on what you’re going through, Reply and I will try my best to be helpful in the most professional manner possible.
I don't care about professionalism Pickle INTJ, i want the truth and nothing but the truth!! 😅
Supposedly Se gets distracted easily. Can you differentiate the normal distractions that come from your Se verses the type coming from someone with ADHD?
I'm going to be honest, i'm not sure. I havent really put much thought into this question and I don't want to talk out of my a$$ just to speak. My guess is that Se is distracted by the outside world and Ni is distracted by the inner world.
Interesting.... I very often listen to lectures at 75 are even 50% speed, and I definitely did that with you. I didn't know you were all jacked up! I thought that was your normal. I'm still not finished with the video, but I wanted to just drop a supplements in your lap for you to research... Lithium Orotate. (Not Lithium carbonate)
I got diagnosed with adhd in second grade. Formely diagnosed my brainwaves got messured. In 4. grade I desided to don't take it any more. I really often question if it was the right desicion. I don't evdn know why I didn't wanted to take it anymore.
Don't be reliant on medication that you don't need. But if you need it on the other hand, then it's probably best to hop back on the horse.
@@justcallmejon22I tried methylphenidat and medikinet retard. I have strong add and its to hard without meds for me. I wouldn't be able to complete the 11 grade. My toughts on the medikation are. Its like being in flowstate the whole time. I think it would be perfekt for me if there were a medikation that only lasts for 90 minutes to work in 90 minute time blocks
Can you make a video about INTJ with ADHD in relationship and how they behave with their love one?
I won't be able to help answer your question because I don't think your question is type specific and is instead up to the individual 😕
Thank you for the reply
I think Marylin Manson might be an ISFP although I could be wrong
He might be an ISFP but I've been following him for two decades listening to a lot of his interviews. He lives and breaths Ni and he's not an INTJ so by process of elimination, he must be an INFJ. BUTT, I might be wrong 😅
i've taken an anti-seizure med for the last 40 years, and would really like to not have to take it because too many doctors refuse to treat seizure patients, even with a referral. Even neurologists. that's one class of meds you can't just stop taking, even tapering off, it takes a year to successfully taper off. I tried bc no Dr available after my Dr retired (without referring any of his patients to another dr,) disasterous results. Please be careful, these meds have weird side effects or even weirder withdrawl symptoms. i'm sorry you felt so bad when you stopped the adhd med, stationary cars moving is very disorienting, very scary.
Thank you for sharing your experience and I hope you find a doctor that will assist you soon. Taking medication really is a gamble because there's so many things that needs to be considered pre and post medication. Hoping for the best for you ✊
oh, a new Dr found a dedicated adult seizure-only specialty clinic, and i have an appointment this upcoming week! thank-you, jon! i've taken the med w/out problems for 40 years. @@justcallmejon22
That's😊 weird. Taking adderall makes me sleepy, and caffeine doesn't help me stay awake or give me energy.
I wake up at random times throughout the night when I'm on caffeine. Adderall is a helluva substance 😂
I would strongly take a look at Objective Personality System. You talk and act like a consume first type. No INTJ would need to expel so much information like u do. I think you are definitely an ENFP or INFP.
I appreciate the concern and since we're on the topic of OPS, you should probably read more about 'Double Deciders'. To say that a type 'doesn't do something' instead of 'doesn't do something often' is a misinterpretation of MBTI being used as a tool and not an identity.
@@justcallmejon22ADHD intjs can come off as not stereotypical intjs. Always was that weird INTJ.
i worried that im not an intj because of adhd
It doesn't matter what you are, MBTI is just a tool so don't make it your identity ✊
Há tempo em que Jesus executa em você, os efeitos do remédio, sem colaterais!!! Mas há tempo em que Ele arranca isso de você para sempre!!!
oi??
Nothing is wrong with not being able to engage with people emotionally at work when you have things to do especially when they're talking about nonsense. It's not that you can't access your feelings, the person's conversation is just mind numbingly boring.
Agreed. What I realized on meds is that sometimes things can wait and getting to know the people around you should be considered part of work.
Hi
I said something to start convo. I'm in ni-fi loop.😢
hiya 👋🤗
Hello, don't worry. You will get out your loop. Maybe acknowledge your feeling ... that's how I try get out of mine ( BTW this method take about 5 weeks for me so ... Idk if it will work for you )
I'm sadden to hear that you're currently in the loop. I know you didn't ask for my advice but I was to second what @thewierderthebetter said and to make sure you take a moment to acknowledge and actually feel your feelings. Whenever you're ready, the easiest way to get out of the loop is to engage with Te so reach out to someone you know that has Te in their upper slots and you'll be back to normal in no time. The community is here with you my friend, dont ever feel like you're alone ✊
Huh.... What the do you even mean ????
If your brain goes brrrrr on ADHD meds YOU DON'T HAVE ADHD.
PPL with ADHD feel calm & composed & peaceful when the medication hits...
That's what I'm saying! I feel like I was misdiagnosed or maybe being an intuitive is part of ADHD or something
@@justcallmejon22 hmmm...
Well as russle Barkley says. Adhd is the most ovediagnosed & under diadnosed condition
Só peça para Jesus que ele te cure! Converse com ele! Ele vai destruir esse transtorno na sua vida! Sou INFJ, você sabe que eu sei o que estou dizendo! Conheço muito bem o poder de Jesus, conheço o mundo espiritual! Fique em paz! Só conte/informe para Ele os prejuizos que esse transtorno te dão, e Ele vai exterminar isso da sua vida!
Eu tentei religião e simplesmente não faz sentido para mim. Não sou contra isso, mas sei que nunca estarei realmente investido se tentar.
@@justcallmejon22 Você está correto em não aceitá-las, pois Jesus não está em nenhuma religião!!! Desejo que você tenha muitas vitórias, nos desafios do dia-a-dia, querido!!!
@@narafeliciano196 existe uma coisa chamada cristianismo e jesus nao tá em nenhuma religiao? me explica melhor essa parte, por favor?