Invisible Threat Destroyed the Engines | The Story of Flight 780

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  • @Aviationaccidents
    @Aviationaccidents  7 місяців тому +188

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    • @fawziekefli2273
      @fawziekefli2273 7 місяців тому +13

      You mean, watch it again. 😊

    • @slakernr100
      @slakernr100 7 місяців тому +5

      @@fawziekefli2273 Yea just watched the first one haha.

    • @Sean720H
      @Sean720H 7 місяців тому +7

      I got really confused during the first video when after they landed the narration stated the pilot called a pan pan to baltimore. Nice to see it fixed so quick!

    • @John-et9yl
      @John-et9yl 6 місяців тому +1

      Aviationaccidents Great video. It would be good to know what safety recommendations came out from the Investigation Report and if the recommendations were accepted and implemented. E.g. was there a recommendation addressed to Rolls Royce to redesign the flitering system to make it more robust and effective against saltwater contaminants? I assume a study was made to ascertain which flights uploaded the same contaminated fuel and why those flights didn't end up in the same predicament.

    • @stingray-otto
      @stingray-otto 6 місяців тому

      There's still another error, but perhaps you can be forgiven for it. The graphics used in the video are for the A330NEO, which first accomplished a commercial flight in 2018. The accident happened in 2010, and therefore, the correct type at that time was the A330CEO.

  • @andrewdewit4711
    @andrewdewit4711 7 місяців тому +315

    Hope that flight crew got an award for managing a dangerous situation so well. The passengers who failed to follow evacuation instructions, bringing their luggage, should get “I’m an idiot” t-shirts and caps.

    • @bobcoleman9045
      @bobcoleman9045 7 місяців тому +2

      Highly disagree

    • @Zircuitz
      @Zircuitz 7 місяців тому +8

      @@bobcoleman9045 why?

    • @ChimmyChimChim95
      @ChimmyChimChim95 7 місяців тому +67

      ​@@Zircuitzhe's one of the luggage people

    • @oldbloke204
      @oldbloke204 7 місяців тому +20

      @@bobcoleman9045 I hope you can cope when you find the centre of the Universe and it's not you.

    • @adelest9500
      @adelest9500 7 місяців тому +6

      To be fair, those passengers were probably highly stressed, and while trying to grab your things is objectively stupid in this situation it can be a panic reaction.

  • @TheRealNatNat
    @TheRealNatNat 7 місяців тому +65

    "there was a small problem with the engines" lol, understatement of the year.

    • @DLokesh-lc4bq
      @DLokesh-lc4bq 2 місяці тому

      This is the most underrated comment

  • @jonaselia675
    @jonaselia675 7 місяців тому +156

    These documentaries are absolutely insane - this is tv-level

    • @Aviationaccidents
      @Aviationaccidents  7 місяців тому +10

      Thanks Jonas! Really appreciate it!

    • @ianrivaldosmith
      @ianrivaldosmith 7 місяців тому +2

      Yes very good, although I could nit pick as an aviation geek and say that’s not a A330 cabin in the video, it’s a narrow body cabin.

    • @harrynking777
      @harrynking777 6 місяців тому

      Higher than TV level.

    • @Kivein
      @Kivein 2 місяці тому

      @@harrynking777yeah

  • @caiphaskakumba751
    @caiphaskakumba751 7 місяців тому +278

    You're the best aviation tragedy narrator on UA-cam. Many will come to witness that we like this platform for a reason. The reason is what i mentioned first.

    • @Aviationaccidents
      @Aviationaccidents  7 місяців тому +21

      Thanks mate!

    • @JDBass36
      @JDBass36 7 місяців тому +22

      He has the perfect voice for narrations

    • @merakibeats
      @merakibeats 7 місяців тому +7

      Yes! This ☝🏼

    • @joshparadox9143
      @joshparadox9143 7 місяців тому +6

      Yes i agree you got unique immersive tone, its almost like you are made for this.

    • @CalebE98
      @CalebE98 7 місяців тому +12

      You should check out mentor pilot as well, he also has some amazing videos and great understanding of aircraft as he is a pilot himself.

  • @Glen.Danielsen
    @Glen.Danielsen 3 місяці тому +8

    Outstanding graphics and narration. And viva Cathay Pacific!! Marvelous video. 🫡

  • @cbatus
    @cbatus 5 місяців тому +11

    The narration is godlike, the music intensifies perfectly, the animation is clean. Such great videos

  • @AhmedMohammed-rp6xv
    @AhmedMohammed-rp6xv 7 місяців тому +27

    I got butterfies in my stomach when the ECAM displayed multiple errors and the malfunctioning of ENG-1. What a jaw-dropping narration that is! A huge applause to the flight-crew. I hope you will work on a video covering the disaster of 737 Max 8 ( Lion Air Flight 610 & ET302). Good Job!!

  • @Basicallymariana
    @Basicallymariana 7 місяців тому +30

    i became obsessed with these aviation videos. thank you for uploading your hard work- a overstimulated college student that de-stresses watching these master pieces!!!!!

    • @iansrven3023
      @iansrven3023 7 місяців тому +4

      this channel is great along with Mentour Pilot, Green Dot Aviation and 74 Gear

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      @knrdvmmlbkkn 7 місяців тому

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  • @80sMetalHead
    @80sMetalHead 7 місяців тому +56

    One of, if not THE, best narrations on UA-cam. Great Work 🫡👏🏻🫡

  • @chickenlittle5095
    @chickenlittle5095 7 місяців тому +48

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  • @samuelmartinez9967
    @samuelmartinez9967 7 місяців тому +72

    Life’s simple, ACI uploads and I watch it 3-5 times

  • @blo6k
    @blo6k 5 днів тому +2

    What a great job by the pilots , despite the heavy stress managed to do it 💪

  • @SilverWingsChannel
    @SilverWingsChannel 7 місяців тому +7

    A riveting portrayal of a real-life aviation emergency. Hats off to the entire crew for their exceptional teamwork and resilience in ensuring the safety of all passengers on board.

  • @TheFunTechGuy24
    @TheFunTechGuy24 5 місяців тому +4

    Many such accidents can be avoided when pilots keep calm yet handle the situation like a pro ❤pilot and cockpit resource management play a key vital role.Huge thanks to the pilot for saving lives. ❤

  • @donnaw9040
    @donnaw9040 5 місяців тому +2

    Beautiful graphics on this channel. I love air disaster forensics, you can learn so much, and this team puts together easy to enjoy episodes. Thanks to the team, also, I look forward to the latest Brazil catastrophy, RIP to those souls.

  • @Mprikiman
    @Mprikiman 5 місяців тому +4

    Best Narrator ever!

  • @shadowracer789
    @shadowracer789 7 місяців тому +6

    Absolutely stunning quality. This is better than some of the documentaries in netflix, thankyou loving it.

  • @CharithGamage-j3l
    @CharithGamage-j3l Місяць тому

    The explanations are super clear. And your voice as well. Not wasting time. A perfect work. Good luck

  • @mubitanawa2998
    @mubitanawa2998 7 місяців тому +9

    It's your narration for me. Simply the best❤.

  • @naders5
    @naders5 7 місяців тому +23

    I've mentioned this on your very first video. You blew mentour and green dot out of the water. The commentary, the graphics, the story telling the best there is 10/10

  • @SeanKirk
    @SeanKirk 7 місяців тому +3

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  • @Notgerman702
    @Notgerman702 7 місяців тому +4

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  • @Burdale1
    @Burdale1 7 місяців тому +2

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  • @bigdoggo5827
    @bigdoggo5827 6 місяців тому +1

    Top tier channel, thank you for the incredible documentaries, I can watch them for hours

  • @BurlyMammoth
    @BurlyMammoth 6 місяців тому +7

    A&P/Mx Controller here.
    It is situations like these that frustrate. If we have to exercise QRH with a flight crew, it is imperative to seek divergence/ODI.
    A two engine aircraft with an engine in Rx means we have lost our only redundancy in the Powerplant system.
    Safety MUST always be vital, schedule be damned.
    These scenarios are saddening. While I’m fine deferring per GMM/SOP, the rapport between the crews and us to ensure proper & safe operation in safety of flight is paramount.
    A loss of motive fuel function is terrifying, much like fuel or critical flight control surface icing.

  • @evansmungai6384
    @evansmungai6384 7 місяців тому +2

    Thanks so much
    I am normally impatient waiting for this videos

  • @Marconkols
    @Marconkols 7 місяців тому +3

    Yet again, an amazing video I can’t wait to see the next one!☝️

  • @nander1988
    @nander1988 7 місяців тому +2

    I really like your videos alot. So much so that I was just telling my wife how I appreciate the storytelling, the graphics, the narrators voice and most of all, the level of detail you put into these videos. And then I see 8:38 and notice that that computer had windows 10 installed when it should have been Vista or windows 7😂. Anyways I'm not complaining, just wanted to be a nerd and point that out. Already looking forward to the next video, keep up the good quality!

  • @SirPresidentRoYaL
    @SirPresidentRoYaL 7 місяців тому +4

    Keep the videos coming!!

  • @josht8299
    @josht8299 7 місяців тому +1

    Love this channel ❤ keep them coming. High quality content here 🤘

  • @ryzlot
    @ryzlot 6 місяців тому +2

    Extremely well done, both script and visuals - excellent
    JR

  • @DawudAviationOfficial
    @DawudAviationOfficial 6 місяців тому +2

    BEST EVER BRO YOU DESERVE TO HAVE 40M SUBS

  • @greenvoiid
    @greenvoiid 7 місяців тому +3

    always watch your videos! keep it up love the investigation.

  • @ಕಾರ್ತಿಕ್-ತ9ಳ

    Beautifully and professionally explained ❤❤❤❤

  • @Jkxlly
    @Jkxlly 7 місяців тому +2

    Great video, animation and narration. Subbed!

  • @gamermixer7953
    @gamermixer7953 6 місяців тому +2

    Bro ur the absolute Best of the Best (narration, ambiance, simulation, music, some times u do a minute of silence for the people who died, straight to the point....) ❤

  • @AhmedRumaizan
    @AhmedRumaizan 4 місяці тому +1

    What a quality vid thank u

  • @56k-modem
    @56k-modem 7 місяців тому +4

    Another great video!

  • @ToukirAhmedMunna
    @ToukirAhmedMunna 6 місяців тому +2

    I just discovered your channel today. Finished watching two episodes in one go. Still i wanna watch another 😆
    You're the best. ❤

  • @barry7608
    @barry7608 5 місяців тому +3

    I've been heavily involved in the radiographic testing of the very same types of fuel line in the last photo. This was at Sydney airport, and there is absolutely no excuse for this to have happened. How many other airpot fuel facilities are controlled in such a sloppy manner? thanks for the vid and glad it was not a compensation tsunami.

  • @gora2497
    @gora2497 7 місяців тому +2

    Lovely video! Thank you for the great effort.

  • @Mickaless84
    @Mickaless84 6 місяців тому +1

    I’m hooked on these videos

  • @AnnaSenPrice
    @AnnaSenPrice 7 місяців тому +1

    You’re awesome. Love this narrator. He is the best

  • @rc70ys
    @rc70ys 7 місяців тому +6

    You’ve got one of the best pilots in the world on board from Australia.

    • @knrdvmmlbkkn
      @knrdvmmlbkkn 7 місяців тому +1

      From Australia to... where?

    • @rc70ys
      @rc70ys 7 місяців тому +1

      @@knrdvmmlbkkn
      Sydney

    • @pauljordan4452
      @pauljordan4452 5 місяців тому

      ​@@knrdvmmlbkknAustralian born first officer.

  • @PaulWhitcomb-ty6md
    @PaulWhitcomb-ty6md 7 місяців тому +7

    They landed the plane just fine with both engines out. You can't get better flying than that.

  • @awehellnah
    @awehellnah 7 місяців тому +3

    thanks for blessing us with another banger

  • @longinogiorda34
    @longinogiorda34 5 місяців тому +1

    Something useful to learn. I admire the explanation of what-if and why .

  • @Tcastilh
    @Tcastilh 4 місяці тому +2

    Great video and learning experience! I commend the Captain for his leadership and quick actions which led to a safe landing! I was screaming here: “shut the engine down” after they landed 😅 Thanks a lot for the video, you earned my subscription 😉🙏🏼

  • @PALZYT
    @PALZYT 7 місяців тому +3

    Love your videos keep it up ❤❤❤❤

  • @_.lf4._
    @_.lf4._ 7 місяців тому +2

    Please keep making videos. Very informative and interesting.

  • @CriticalMania
    @CriticalMania 6 місяців тому +1

    You made a really easy explanation an a great animation

  • @RajeshNarkhed
    @RajeshNarkhed 4 місяці тому +1

    Best viewed at 1.5x...Grt Upload 👍

  • @K.B.Ravindra
    @K.B.Ravindra 7 місяців тому +2

    A nicely narrated and presented video. Happy ending

  • @robloxmaster_ecrrh9nmq
    @robloxmaster_ecrrh9nmq 3 місяці тому +1

    i really like the music at 6:28, keep it up

  • @eamonsmall91
    @eamonsmall91 7 місяців тому +2

    Just Subscribed. That 100k mark is coming soon. Super work, well done to you.

  • @randylahey1232
    @randylahey1232 7 місяців тому +2

    I also think you're the best narrator of these types of videos

    • @PaulWhitcomb-ty6md
      @PaulWhitcomb-ty6md 7 місяців тому

      i don't think he's that great. he emphasizes every sentence like it was the most important statement of the video.

  • @venomancer711
    @venomancer711 4 місяці тому +2

    Having no throttle and full throttle at the same time. Imagine a car with 1 wheel drive stuck on throttle and one working brake in the other side amazing skills by the pilot

  • @ExtremeDistortion
    @ExtremeDistortion 7 місяців тому +2

    I subbed after watching this video, keep up the great work!😁

  • @nurrizadjatmiko21
    @nurrizadjatmiko21 7 місяців тому +6

    I watched this case from ACI National Geographic and i love that episode as much as this new video. Those 2 pilots did it well that day. Btw, Well done👍

  • @WingWarnings
    @WingWarnings 7 місяців тому +2

    Great coverage bro

  • @HLMM_KE
    @HLMM_KE 5 місяців тому +2

    That was a nail-biting emergency situation. It ended in the best way possible.
    This is how we want every flight emergency to end.....but they don't, they are mostly tragic.

  • @otten5666
    @otten5666 7 місяців тому +2

    I am gonna watch every video on this channel before my next flight.

  • @Infarlock
    @Infarlock 4 місяці тому +3

    Finally a good ending to the story, it was intense

  • @filiplaskovski9993
    @filiplaskovski9993 4 місяці тому +1

    Best channel ever

  • @EvanPang-w4i
    @EvanPang-w4i 7 місяців тому +1

    Glad that disaster turned out fine and no one was hurt!

  • @albviolet7499
    @albviolet7499 7 місяців тому +2

    I gotta say again , very well narrated ,...it's like i wait your videos like a TV series , u know... the episode barely ended and u already think to next week and next episode...

  • @lighthummer9960
    @lighthummer9960 7 місяців тому +2

    The best narrator, best voice for this documentary’s

  • @Iloveboeing828
    @Iloveboeing828 4 місяці тому +2

    I honestly love thoes videos there great

  • @wilhelmrudolphfittig3577
    @wilhelmrudolphfittig3577 6 місяців тому +2

    very good explanation and videography
    the editing is also top notch
    definitely great level
    loved it !

  • @duraadams5117
    @duraadams5117 7 місяців тому +4

    Good work

  • @seghi111
    @seghi111 5 днів тому

    OMG! There is no room for error in aviation system! Its so crucial every system is damn important!!

  • @eleanorxoxoxox
    @eleanorxoxoxox 6 місяців тому +8

    Those pilots are heroes! 🙏🏼❤️

  • @SanusiAdewale
    @SanusiAdewale 6 місяців тому +2

    Hi, nice videos. Could you do one on the Sosoliso airline flight 1145.

  • @pablorubio8287
    @pablorubio8287 7 місяців тому +2

    Today’s editing was 🔥

  • @jctswfl
    @jctswfl 5 місяців тому +1

    Wow that landing was very smooth

  • @_Feyd-Rautha
    @_Feyd-Rautha 7 місяців тому +1

    Ohhhhhhh this channel is about to blow UP i feel it. Like 60k subs??? Not for long

  • @John-et9yl
    @John-et9yl 7 місяців тому +3

    @Aviationaccidents Great video. It would be good to know what safety recommendations came out from the Investigation Report and if the recommendations were accepted and implemented. E.g. was there a recommendation addressed to Rolls Royce to redesign the flitering system to make it more robust and effective against saltwater contaminants? I assume a study was made to ascertain which flights uploaded the same contaminated fuel and why those flights didn't end up in the same predicament.

    • @phillee2814
      @phillee2814 7 місяців тому +1

      It isn't really Rolls Royce's problem, but that of the works contractors being careless in letting SALT water into the airport refuelling system, with possibly the need for some kind of detector in the pump vehicle to make some subtle indication of the salt, like maybe large flashing beacons visible to all sides and loud klaxon horns alternating with a voice shouting "DANGER, FUEL CONTAMINATED", in English and the local language. You know, the kind of thing that will allow the operator to correct the problem without anyone else realising!

  • @gardenstate235
    @gardenstate235 7 місяців тому +6

    How come only 1 aircraft was affected with this contamination at the airport?

    • @phillee2814
      @phillee2814 7 місяців тому +4

      The first to load fuel from that branch of the fuel piping after the contamination, and they got the lot. They only tracked it back through the fuel metering valve deposits, the destroyed filter where they'd uploaded the fuel, and trace deposits.

  • @leenampm4143
    @leenampm4143 6 днів тому +1

    Great video!
    Anyway Juanda Airport is pronounced joo ( like john, jelly, joy) - wanda. Not who-wanda😊

  • @zookyzooky
    @zookyzooky 7 місяців тому +1

    Great job

  • @kiyanshabestary7647
    @kiyanshabestary7647 5 місяців тому +1

    Amazing response from the pilots. I'm surprised this only affected Cathay though. Surely other aircrafts that day must have had the same contaminated fuel. Overall, it does sound like cathay's engine failure protocols were also at fault. With repeated engine issue signals, plane should have turned back much earlier.

  • @owui7323
    @owui7323 7 місяців тому +9

    Am I crazy or would it have helped to turn the master 1 switch off like 500-200 ft above the ground?

    • @andrewshaw1525
      @andrewshaw1525 7 місяців тому +1

      I came looking for this comment - too much thrust to safely land? Shut it down and glide in. Glad it turned out well though!

  • @minighs
    @minighs 7 місяців тому +2

    Awesome!

  • @felipecorrea7876
    @felipecorrea7876 7 місяців тому +1

    this channel is nice

  • @Fra93TheGrande
    @Fra93TheGrande 6 місяців тому +1

    At least this time it didn't end up crashing 🥶

  • @dchong
    @dchong 7 місяців тому +2

    Cathay always had very good pilots

  • @ArifGhostwriter
    @ArifGhostwriter 4 місяці тому +1

    Awesome credit also to Airbus, for creating aircraft that actually want to fly & fly safely (I'm looking at you, Boeing 737 Max - with your nose-down proclivities).

  • @freecommercial
    @freecommercial 7 місяців тому +17

    Did any other planes get the same fuel?

    • @John-et9yl
      @John-et9yl 7 місяців тому +5

      The exact same question l was going to ask. I assume other flights must have been affected by the same contaminated fuel but not to the same extent. Perhaps because of a different filter design? Hopefully some research was undertaken to see what aircraft uploaded the same contaminated fuel and why they didn't end up in the same predicament.

    • @skeezixmccat
      @skeezixmccat 5 місяців тому

      My guess is this wasn't just a one time thing. It must have gotten bits of bad fuel here and there that went well beyond expected tolerances. Other flights may have gotten some saltwater too, but limited exposure.
      I'm just guessing but that's how I interpreted it

    • @alexejevicjenoob
      @alexejevicjenoob 5 місяців тому

      Maybe

    • @Addy-745
      @Addy-745 4 місяці тому

      ​@@skeezixmccati love you skeez ❤

  • @vinumathew-dp1ny
    @vinumathew-dp1ny 4 місяці тому

    15:27 what would happen if they did a cobra meneuver? Would it just not work?

  • @Vishnu-B
    @Vishnu-B Місяць тому

    Guys, anyone know the name of the background music track starting from 13:25 to 15:38 ?

  • @flymachine
    @flymachine 7 місяців тому +10

    I don’t know how this incident got by me, I had no idea a NEO has suffered a serious incident anywhere in the world!

    • @chrisgeorgiou8680
      @chrisgeorgiou8680 7 місяців тому +3

      11:26 I didn't know that the A330 cabin seats 3+3 abreast either...

    • @ProBroSGCodm
      @ProBroSGCodm 6 місяців тому

      In the real incident it was A330-300

  • @nick39
    @nick39 7 місяців тому +4

    I don’t miss being an airline pilot.

    • @dasbootsassa
      @dasbootsassa 7 місяців тому +1

      Would you please elaborate on this? I’ve recently done some research and have come to conclusions I don’t want to believe, because I like to travel. But risk/reward I’m not so confident since those reports that came out about Bowing

    • @nick39
      @nick39 6 місяців тому +1

      @@dasbootsassa ​​⁠ Airline travel is statistically safe. However, there are still statistics… if you know what I mean. The airline industry has vastly changed since my career started and ended. Airline personnel are still highly trained and aircraft are still highly maintained. But the industry would wide is in a very dynamic transition. There are many factors at play. One example is that during the COVID panic, airlines offered their senior more experienced pilots early retirement packages. This was due to the expensiveness of them being at the top of the pays scale. Flight school has continued to greatly increase in price… to the tune of well into the six figures. It’s been that way for a while which has deterred many people from pursuing it over the years. There is an unimaginable passing of the torch.. so to speak in every aspect of the entire operation. New/green( inexperienced) people in all of the positions that require experience. ATC, maintenance, dispatch, pilots etc. everyone has to start somewhere… but in years past. There was more of a mentoring philosophy. The experienced personnel taught the new, less experienced personnel. Example: when I was a brand new pilot, I would fly with pilots with thousands sometimes tens of thousands of hours. Now you have a lot of inexperienced people working with inexperienced people. It used to be that you gained experience by learning from the folks that had it. To go to the major airlines you had to fly for smaller airlines as a First Officer (co-pilot), then upgrade to Captain, gain thousands of hours of experience then you could apply to the major airlines for a co-pilot position. Now they have GREATLY lowered the bar. You can be fresh out of flight school, gain the ATP minimum hours (1500) get hired as a copilot with a 121 operator gain another 300-400 hours and get hired by the majors….totally bypassing the requirement to upgrade to captain and gain PIC experience.. this was un heard of in the old days. So the bottom line? You have a lot of inexperienced people doing a job that requires a lot of experience. Me personally… I’ll never fly again. I’m not saying I was the greatest, most experienced. I retired with about 15,000 hours. I was average at best. But in defense of the industry. They do train with high standards and proficiency. I think overall it’s still the safest way to travel. I was always a nervous flyer if I wasn’t flying.😅 lol BTW, I had quite a few emergencies during that time…that’s where the experience of being mentored and working my way up the ladder paid off… otherwise I could have easily made world, headline news. Not the way I would want to become famous.

  • @micaarzur
    @micaarzur 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm sure there's a reason why, but why couldn't they just set the master switch for engine 1 to off?
    Also, at the beginning of the video when you ask "Will they be able to safely land the plane?" It kind of spoils that they will indeed be able to safely land, as you wouldn't have said that if they crashed and died.

  • @everythingisfine4302
    @everythingisfine4302 7 місяців тому

    I want to sleep oh well time to binge this one

  • @YlmazDALKIRANscallion
    @YlmazDALKIRANscallion 7 місяців тому

    Thanks

  • @Harald-MacGerhard
    @Harald-MacGerhard 7 місяців тому +1

    Telltale of insane crewwork, wow 😎

  • @stavrosk.2868
    @stavrosk.2868 7 місяців тому +2

    A few minutes after takeoff and engine trouble already. So why not turn back immediately?

  • @huss112ify
    @huss112ify 7 місяців тому +1

    amazing

  • @ricardo6861
    @ricardo6861 7 місяців тому +2

    Isn't it the same as the BA flight(777)problem?