@@robert_trumpeteer I'm trying to post the links, but youtube isn't allowing it. Last part of the adress is kIc8Rr-cKd8 for the first part, and evYLkhxoP3U for part two.
The first officer, after the landing attempt, acknowledging that he had hit his limits, and being willing to take a back seat, and trusting his fellow pilot to take over and do the job, is as amazing as anything in here. That is not an easy thing to do, especially under this much stress, to know when you've gone beyond what you are capable of, and be willing to leave it in some one else's hands.
Definitely. And I'm glad someone was there to fill his seat, otherwise he probably would've had to push past his limits at the risk of making bad decisions.
"We need a vector to the ocean for ditching. Away from the trees and people." Yes they actually said this to ATC at one point. When ATC asked to clarify if they wanted to land, they said no we have to ditch the plane is uncontrollable. You know it was bad when their best plan is to crash into the ocean. Then when ATC told them they were 40 miles from the ocean, they asked for a vector to the river. They didn't think they could make it 40 miles. That had to be terrifying.
@@andrewnajarian5994 Tejo is quite wide, it's often over 500m wide, and has a large estuary starting around 35km from the coast, where it's over 10km wide in some parts, that's probably what ATC was thinking about.
The fact the first thing on their minds was how to prevent this from being any worse of a disaster really shows how much they care. Already accepting they might not be able to save the plane and just hoping they can save everyone else on the ground.
Insane levels of skill by these pilots. I’m not Kazakh but I’ve spent a lot of time in Kazakhstan and on Air Astana. It doesn’t surprise me for a second that these guys pulled off a miracle, and that they did it trying to save lives. Kazakhstan rocks
I actually got quite emotional at the conclusion of this. When I started watching, I automatically assumed it was a fatal crash. What an amazing story, brilliantly explained.
The Portuguese air force coming to help them made me a little emotional. I imagined what it was like for the crew and passengers to see them arrive, knowing that they were there to help
I read captain’s account and he said that they were a substitute crew drafted at the last minute and didn’t know anything about how long the plane was in maintenance for or what works were done. At some point during the flight, exhausted from the physical effort of trying to control the plane they asked the people at the back if they could bring some water into cockpit. When one of the maintenance guys came in (that’s where the ankle injury is from) they asked him about the nature of the maintenance works and from that quickly deduced what the problem might be. They sent him back to observe what the ailerons were doing and that confirmed it.
The crew not knowing about the type of maintenance conducted would explain their minimal attention to verifying the aileron movements during the pre-flight check.
Shouldn't their be a log for them to read before takeoff that would have shown them the previous flight and directed them to the maintenance log? (non-pilot here but I thought that a new crew read notes from the previous flight)
@@uap24 ....this aircraft performed full aerobatic maneuvers for 2 hours and had to be scrapped on the spot after a successful landing.....Embraer built a stout aircraft to have not broken up in flight.
Not incredible, but fortunatel that the aviation mantra of check and check again was followed correctly by the pilot. Good lesson for his student to learn.
@@ssnerd583This Was not the only case where an Embraer Airplane faced this type of challenge. During a famous accident in the Amazon, an airplaned from the Brazilian airline Gol collided on the air with an Embraer jet. All people aboard the Gol airplane died, but the Embraer jet was able to land safely. During the initial flight tests, an Embraer KC 390 faced extreme high G pressure on a certain flight, but they managed to land it safely.
Kudos to the first officer for stepping aside when he knew he was in over his head mentally. It takes a strong person to make the proper decision for the greater good of everyone involved, than to worry about personal pride.
So these pilots were forced to learn how to fly with a new kind of control system, while essentially strapped into a G centrifuge, without receiving prior instruction and without knowing that thy were in fact, test pilots that day. That has to be one of the most impressive feats of flying in history.
@@RuiMPCraveiro i think in the 1st place a computer would have never take off ( lot's of redundant checks , would have make sure it would have not ). i'm not lessening the impressive work of the pilots.
@@RuiMPCraveiro That's what i'm saying, in this case we saw that the pilots didn't make a check they should have done ( they would have seen that commands didn't respond as intended and then they wouldn't have take off ). this fail " from the pilots " is the last one (and the only one from the pilots ) from a long list of fails. And yes with a full conmputer controled cheklist if this case is not implemented the software wouldn't have even noticed it.
I think it would be fair to say the crew were very highly motivated to learn and sometimes that, combined with the proper temperament and communication makes all the difference in the world. Much like the crew of the Sioux City flight many years ago very nearly mastered flying with no hydraulics or control surfaces saving a great many lives in the process (though, sadly, not all lives could be saved, but not for lack of trying despite seemingly impossible odds!).
Yes that is just insane. If i were the pilot I would have lobbied for scrapping that plane regardless if the engineers reported it could fly or not, just because of the way it was taunting them.
@@adsadasd265 The warning probably was suppressed instead of fixed. There's been other cases which Mentour reported on which featured suppressed notifications in the ECAM system, and which only appeared somehow after the incident was resolved.
Flying in the same company, same fleet and knowing each of you personally makes me really proud of you guys. I have just watched the National Geographic investigation documentary and I can't imagine the level of emotions you had on that day. Vyacheslav Aushev, Sergeı Sokolov, Bauyrjan Qarasholaqov you engraved your names in history forever.
@Mentour Pilot Would you consider pinning @Oskar Lima's comment? It's nice that he gives credit to all three by name and it would be nice if they got that recognition, after all. Thanks, Petter!
After having found this fantastic channel and today having watched this video with the Embraer Jet aileron failure, I felt comming up an incident stored unerasable in my memories. As a young mechanical engineering student in the early 1980s, I did an internship at an aircraft repair shop. Of course, I was only allowed to work under supervision and was not allowed to carry out any safety-related work. But I was very skilled, knew a lot about airplanes, even as a child I built remote-controlled model airplanes. Therefore, the control functions were absolutely familiar to me. A major check was carried out on a Fairchild Metroliner...also implemented service bulletins...I was allowed to work under supervision and according to instructions, which I was very proud of. All main and trim control cables were also replaced, although of course I wasn't allowed to be involved. Of course the works were late and there were already heated discussions in the offices. On the day of the workshop flight, I stood at the hangar gate and admiring this beautiful aircraft on the apron... just as I had admired all aircraft... except for me, nobody watched and followed the start-up and runup. There were two pilots on board, there had been extensive ground runs the day before. At some point the plane started rolling, away from the apron towards one of the two taxiways. It had been rolling for a while when I could see the rudders moving...elevator, aileron...multiple times....no one but me was paying attention to the machine at that moment. I couldn't believe my eyes but actually, the ailerons moved in the same direction...both up...both down. I was stunned, because the machine continued to taxi undeterred towards the runway holding point at the only runway. There was no radio nearby, no telephone either... and if, I did, I didn't know how to reach anyone... and at first I thought... the pilots must have noticed that... but they didn't. The plane reached the holding point, the engines became louder, I could hear the engines roaring while checking the propeller pitch, the typical sound of a turboprop at that time....obviously the takeoff checks were continuing. I ran completely horrified onto the apron of our small city airport, there was nothing going on at that time. I was fully aware would happen as soon as they would begin the take off run I tried to draw attention to myself with waving movements and screams...no one took any notice of me. Luckily, one of the yellow jackets just came out of a door at the terminal...that's what the guys from the ground crew got calle...I knew him by sight. I ran to him, I'm sure he would have a handheld radio...but I was afraid he wouldn't understand what I wanted or would think I was nuts. Luckily he was so impressed by my excitement that he radioed the tower or apron control and at the small airfield it was either the same controller or the two were sitting next to each other. And so the pilots were actually radioed to make sure what was going on with a rudder check. Well... and then they rolled back. To me ist was clear at that moment, this I saved the lives of the pilots...and who knows how many others too...the first change of direction in the climb would have been directly above our city, as I know today. The pilots did not notice before, the aileron flaps went in the same direction ….I received many thanks for my attention, I stayed in touch with these guys quite some years and the aicraft shop gave me jobs all time during my studies which helped me very much. As far as I know, the incident was never officially recorded anywhere...however, there were some serious consequences internally, at the shop...and at the airline. I graduated successfully...and saved money from my early salaries to do my PPL. You can probably guess which item in the checklist I am very serious about... Thanks for your patience if yot reached this end of my comment. I tought it is worth writing it... Real great job you do with this channel, I really admire it! Greetings from Germany, Chris
I noticed at the start of the video that it *didn't* warn that this video was about an accident that resulted in loss of life, which Mentour usually does. So for me, the surprise was from the other direction: that they fully rolled, and were hitting +4.5g and -0.5g loads. Like, wow, their plane did that, and they still managed to recover and not die! After hearing that they survived the initial upset, I was optimistic for them to have time to work the problem and learn how the plane could be controlled. But damn, it sounds even harder than I'd guessed it might be. Finding the dead zone for the spoilers and using aileron control within that tiny range, with reversed controls vs. what they'd learned in all their hours of flying. So easy to let your muscle memory react and push too far, or in the wrong direction, I'm sure. I'd been expecting that the ailerons were going to have stopped working or something, and maybe they'd had to use differential engine thrust to turn the plane like in another incident where the controls were dead. (Really difficult I'm sure, but not a rough ride, and something known to be possible.) But this is way worse, especially when they don't know that the plane had undergone maintenance at all so don't know why it would be doing that. And roll control inputs would mostly make things worse, with the actual effect dependent on airspeed I'd guess. Wow.
When he said the pilots never gave up trouble shooting to the end, I was convinced this was this was going to end with everyone dying. Never been so happy to be wrong, what an excellent crew for getting the plane down safely with no more than a twisted ankle.
I was not expecting this story to end with a safe landing and just 1 minor injury, and I'm sure nobody on the plane expected that either. These pilots are the guys I want to be flying me wherever I've got to go!
@@mafketeltje1988 Who reads comments, where of course this video is discussed, before watching the video ..would make his own mistake ! Tho you placed it in a friendly manner !, - your "awareness" for others goes a little far ;)
Checklist item 1. Flight controls free and CORRECT. My flight instructor gave me a Cessna 172 that had just came in from maintenance. (He knew that the ailerons were strung backwards, but wanted to see if I would pick up on what was wrong) I just saw that the controls were free, but I didn't check for "correct". He let me get as far as starting to taxi, but then had me double check, and I must have turned as white as a ghost when I saw what was wrong. I learned an important lesson that day.
On a Cessna it's far simpler to realize that something is off with you controls. Maintenance crew after they finish with work are required to check all systems operations and that is mostly visual. For big airplanes you need maintenance crew of at least 3 people to do safety checks. Anyway that means that at least the maintenance crew, the captain and FO failed to notice the problem. TWO CHECKS were performed but still went unnoticed.
Good work, the instructor used the situation to really make the point to the pupil, do your checks and don't rush. I hope he went back to the hanger confronted who ever did the job and the supervisor who checked and oversigned it, and explained the new reality of their employment status!
@@brk932I worked on heavy aircraft for 20 yrs. Two people can do a flight control check which is part of every preflight inspection. The maintenance crew screwed the pooch as well as the maintenance inspector who signed off the repairs. The crew is ultimately responsible and they obviously didn’t either follow the checklist, didn’t do a proper preflight, or the guy on the ground didn’t see what he thought he saw.
Yeah, these G-forces were insane. And while the crew pretty much landed it in scrap metal condition, it still functioned relatively well, except for the parts that were botched in the shoddy maintenance job. Looked like trial an error to me, from what I've seen in this video.
You euros have it so good. Get to fly all kinds of cool smaller regional planes. I only fly from aus to europe. A380s and 777's, 787s, and in 2 weeks an a350-900. These are all i ever get to fly. There are a few 190s used for domestic flights, but i have no idea where to find that info id love to fly on one. Have only flown in a320s domestic.
This one is insane. I can't even understand how it didn't crash the first time it rolled over, and the extent of the damage suggests that, if they hadn't managed to stabilise it, it would sooner or later have broken up or lost a wing. Absolutely unbelievable that they managed to land it!
Cause the plane was in a permanent roll, so if you upside down they can push forward the control to gain altitude and when it was rolling back to normal you pull back again. Doing that for 30 to 60 minutes is insane... I cant imagine the stres on the body
That's what I don't understand. How the f**K did they not just immediately crash? The first time the plane corkscrewed, how did they regain control and get the plane upright again and wings level? These pilots should get a bonus. Forget 'Sully' Sullenberger, that plane kept itself level. These guys accomplished something a million times harder.
@@BrettonFerguson a considerable self righting force is applied to the aircraft when descending through the air at high speed which helps level of the craft with sufficient height above terrain.
When I launched this video I thought for sure this incident would end in disaster... The fact that these pilots were able to troubleshoot the problem and figure out how to gain enough control of the plane to land safely is amazing and inspiring!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU that they made it through alive. The plane was flown by Captain Vyacheslav Aushev (40); First officer Bauyrzhan Karasholakov (32); and First officer in jumpseat Sergey Sokolov (26).[4][3] Three engineers travelled as passengers.[2]
Спасибо всем троим, настоящие герои и невероятные профессионалы! Это надо же иметь такой дух, знания, решительность, уверенность, непоколебимость в такой ситуации посадить самолет , невероятно !!! Я горжусь нашими пилотами , Kazakhstan pilots are the best👍👍👍👍👍👍
I’m a nurse (ICU and hospice, now in admin). We used the term “ADPIE” to give us a path for a patient who was becoming unstable - assess, decide what was wrong, prioritize next interventions, implement the interventions and then evaluate the patient to see if the interventions made things better or worse, and start over with the “A” if needed. I’ve been in hairy situations, but never had to try to do my job or ADPIE while barrel rolling across the sky. That’s so amazing that an ankle sprain was the only injury. True airmanship at its finest.
There seems to be a similar process like your mentioned ADPIE - as a part of the so called crew resource management in some airlines. It's also also intended to make a good decision quickly. The process is called FORDEC, which stands for: - Facts (collect all the facts, but only the facts, no interpretation etc.) - Options (which options are available) - Risks (which risks exists) - Decission (based an the FOR - make a decission) - Execution (implement the decision) - Check (check wheter the execution is successfull - if not, restart the process) But even if I'm not connected to the aviation industry, I think this is a verry usefull concept in so many other cases. But I strongly agree with you - to follow these process step by step when you are doing unwanted barrel rolls in the sky seems to be impossible for most of us. It's amazing how the pilots kept their their situational awareness!
They probably didn't keep their cool next time they took a plane to OGMA. If I had been put in a situation like that by an inept maintenance company, I'd find it hard not to pay a little visit to every single one of the people responsible. Pretty sure a good lawer could get it written off as a totally understandable bout of temporary PTSD. :D
@@MentourPilot this makes me think of the movie Flight (2012), where denzel keeps saying he was given a broken plane. I can't think of any situation worse than this one with a plane... but also I feel like the pilots there, would probably feel like retiring immediately afterwards.... Is there a system for something like that? Nearly die in a plane crash and you get an early pension? I feel like maybe they could get there by suing the airline (Or due pilots waive their rights to that as employees / onboarding paperwork?)
As a student pilot I was flying solo in a Cessna 152 Aerobat when all of a sudden my yoke froze at 3000 ft. I looked and looked but found nothing that I could see. I felt I had no choice and pulled hard. I didn't know what else to do. My control returned, but with about 12" of slop. I managed to get back to the uncontrolled ARPT runway and landed. I did report the emergency and my instructor was on the runway waiting. I landed safely due to judicious use of the throttle and a long final approach. It turns out that the last pilot had tossed a Pepsi bottle aft of the seats and it got tangled in the cables. I was concerned, but not scared which I attribute having had an excellent instructor. As in all things of life, you just never know what's around the corner, but good training and practice (even for the ridiculous) can and will save your butt!
You’re very lucky that you didn’t snap your elevator cable. You couldn’t just control pitch with trim? Or was that stuck too? Either way you made it down safe so congrats on that.
I have flown RC aircraft for 35 years. I inadvertently took off with my ailerons reversed once. It is so hard to override muscle memory built up from hundreds or thousands of hours of flying so I have massive respect for these pilots. You are fighting reflex control movements that will cause the aircraft to go to an even worse attitude. You have to think about each and every control movement which increases reaction time a lot. Add in having the computer controlled spoilers going against what you are trying to do (even though they were working correctly) and the difficulty goes up exponentially. Again, MASSIVE respect for these pilots and so glad they landed safely.
That's loads all planes are built to survive, since they need to handle turbulence, rough landings etc. Just that they have no safety margin left and most planes will age very badly from it. Which is why this plane suffered wrinkling etc and had to be scrapped.
@@h.cedric8157 This kind of planes are a bit big for a museum and quite expensive to transport. There are smaller planes that has suffered from overload and survived to land. By the way - many generations of military planes also have limited abilities to handle high g loads, even if the plane may be designed for allowing the pilot to do 10g pull ups. The air frame can handle many thousand hours of easy flying and much less time if doing hard flying. So they need to keep track of how hard life the air frame has lived to figure out expected flight hours remaining before the plane needs to be scrapped.
Embraer makes some durable airplanes lol that one that fell from wind shear in Mexico right after take off didn’t even brake off. It’s crazy to think that only 2 people ever died inside an Embraer and it was due to pilot error (unbalanced fuel)
Of all the videos I watched on your channel, this one had me in a cold sweat in minutes just listening to it. How in the world these pilots managed to get the plane and everyone on board alive after all this madness must be probably the greatest save in aviation history.
You did not just say... "... Props to the pilots." You didn't just make the world's worst PUN... EVER? LOL Now, be honest, happy accident? Or, was that on purpose. LOL
If you go and listen to the atc audio, the fighter jets were super helpful. There seemed to be a point where they realised that if the plane could make one more left turn, they were pretty well lined up with the runway at the base, so they offered to escort the plane there. Really super helpful stuff.
I had listened to the ATC recordings of this prior to this video being posted, but the visual of what was happening is so much more harrowing than the crew sounded, though the constant requests for vectors out to the sea was heart-wrenching because you knew what it likely meant if they ditched an aircraft that uncontrollable. If I could understand all that was said then I would like to hear the CVR one day. I am certain that is one flight crew who will never miss any step in the preflight ever again. They are certainly a testament to something many instructors teach of "never stop flying the aeroplane". They did a truly amazing job of adapting and learning to not only gain control with reversed aileron roll, but also to safely land without any major injury. Truly astounding and wonderful flying in the worst circumstances.
These pilots were nothing short of amazing. They were given an Airplane that was impossible to govern, and somehow manage to stabilize it, troubleshoot it, and land it normally. Just look at this entire playlist how just one upset is dangerous and it makes them look like absolute lords of the sky in comparison.
That the pilot got out of that first roll and dive and regained "control" of the aircraft in level flight without crashing seems like nothing short of a miracle. They seemed to troubleshoot well and did a great job problem solving, but I'm still really amazed they managed to get themselves back into a situation where they could troubleshoot given how insane the first deviations from nominal were.
Another brilliant video with the just the right amount of relevant detail without any of the over-dramatisaiton from the TV shows that do the same type of content. You should be producing content for Nat Geo at this rate!
I felt exhausted just listening to this let alone being on the plane and trying to control it. I was absolutely convinced it was going to crash, so hats off to the pilots for landing it!!
Wow, what a story, retired airline pilot, 30 years with a Middle East airline, 26500 flight hours, training/ Check Capt. Flight Ops lead auditor (IOSA) hats off to the pilots, Mentor, best flight Safety channel, for civil aircraft. Well done, Mentor for excellent video. Chris, Thailand.
Great presentation. This is very rare for the great work you always do, but I noticed that the two F-16s in the animation looked more like F/A 18s. This is a very rare mistake for your animation team, which is the only reason I point it out.
@@MentourPilot My uncle used to work in Alverca, same place the plane was serviced, as an airplane mechanic and later a manager when those were state owned and part of the Portuguese Air force. I'm glad to a point he did not live to see those being privatised and this incident happening. He worked there for 40 years.
In Portugal this was big news. The video of the F 16 pilots watching the aircraft landing is heart breaking. The pilot said that it was a miracle that they manage to land after what he saw the aircraft was doing
@Goreuncle In the official reply to the final report OGMA said that they were blamed unfairly and that it’s not their legal responsibility to make sure everything works, and that, in fact, they should be congratulated on their excellent procedures! I’m not even joking!
Outstanding job by the crew!! At the first airline that i worked for, we had a Metroliner come out of maintenance for a control cable change out and the same thing happened, aileron cables were reversed. The flight never really got airborne on it's test flight, wingtip hit the ground at about the same place that the main wheels left the runway. The results were the only fatal accident in that airline's history (captain, first officer, and the mechanic who was riding along). Needless to say, new procedures were put into place immediately for the test flights after control cable swaps, and I was the lucky guy who got to be captain on the very next control cable test flight. We followed all of the new procedures, and the only issue we had was a very minor landing gear problem. And remember, NEVER, NEVER, EVER GIVE UP!!
Thank you so much for sharing your own experience with this. That is what makes the thread on a video so interesting. Thanks again. All the best, Per (DK)
What's truly insane is the decision to go around twice after hours spent in the air with next to no control. That means the pilot got used to the insanely sensitive controls
I have thousands of hours in EMB170/190s and this is a perfect example of rushing through the procedures. As a matter of fact, I see the flight control check done during taxi in many airlines. I think this distracts the pilots to a certain degree. My current airline and my previous one (embraer operator) we do our flight control check BEFORE taxi. This enables us to give the undivided attention. Great video. !!
The fact that they managed to keep that thing in the air for so long without any real roll authority is pretty amazing. It also goes to demonstrate how overbuilt aircraft are... it spent over an hour being subjected to maneuvers and loads well outside of design limits and while clearly worse for the wear, never suffered any mechanical failures beyond what was already present from the maintenance.
I used to be so scared of flying, but watching these videos has helped me a tremendous amount. I (like most non-aviation people) always was under the impression that airplanes are considered safe because things very rarely go wrong, but when they do it's usually catastrophic. But that is absolutely not the case. Things go wrong way more often than people think, but thanks to the redundant design of modern planes, good training and well thought-out safety procedures, almost always the crew manages to land safely in the end.
Having only 3 passengers and no luggage saved the plane. If the plane was fully loaded under those stresses it probably would have broken apart. That said though, you're spot on. It stood up to one hell of a flight!
@@davidpowell3347, English is a second language for him, but of course he realized the alternative meaning. I seriously doubt that if you shave balls and call them a "special place" that you're referring to tennis balls.
Having worked in aircraft maintenance (avionics for GA) for a while, this makes me particularly sad. My boss would over promise to customers, and throw us (the installers) under the bus when a job ran longer than he'd quoted. But if any of us ever had a safety concern - for ourselves or for the plane - he would support us. There were a couple of projects that were not finished because the customer was unwilling to pay for the safe solution. I simply cannot imagine not doing a visual confirmation of the control surface motion. If either the maintenance crew or flight crew had done so, this would have been avoided. They both should have - it only takes a few minutes. I rarely worked with control surfaces - only when working on an autopilot - but a control check was always part of our internal acceptance check.
Everything you said makes perfect sense. You would think aircraft maintenance is something that money should be left out of. Fix it right, or ground it. Too much is at stake. Thanks for the insiders point of view, very informative and good to know.
@@larrystevens7410 Upper management don't see it that way. In corporate America and even in Medical Device design, the engineers & scientists get through under the bus ALL the time. After personally losing my job doing the LEGALLY responsible thing 3 times, I've given up on the field. It's a woke, solipsistic, & dark-triad world now.
@@rchn1315 I can see that would be a huge problem. It always is when the people who make the decisions about things, especially when it comes to people's safety, are not the ones at the controls. There is a thin line between too much regulation and just enough. But Regulations ARE vitally important. We need to make people responsible for the things they have control over. But the term you used..."Woke". I don't understand this one. The group Q Anon used that term for the past five years. THEY claimed they were the woke ones. How did this become a derogatory term for people who are Left of Center politically? You gotta watch stuff like this. "Fake News" was a term used almost 20 years ago when the documentary "Out Foxed" came out and was describing how dishonest FOX News was and how they were creating a culture of media hatred and fomenting a mistrust of anything "inside". If you were an expert or actually knew something, they (FOX News) were attacking you. You were an "ELITE". Which in any other contest is a good thing. Next time you fly, who do you want flying you, a guy who finished dead last in flight school or an ELITE fighter pilot with years of training and expertise. But somehow anti-science people think knowing things is bad, makes you arrogant and...dangerous? Somehow? You can see how well Murdoch planned this and how well it worked. Unfortunately Frankenstein's Monster has returned to its maker and is about to rip them to shreds as well. Anyway, why do terms used by the Right keep coming around to be applied to people on the Left. The true "WOKE" people are the conspiracy nuts. Anyway, I just found it curious.
When I check to see if my turn signals are working, I don’t look at the dash, I get out of the car and look at the front and rear of the car to see the lights actually blink. These were flight control surfaces that had just had undergone maintenance, duh!
Those "G" stats are absolutely insane, that's fighter pilot style flying, I really feel for those on board this aircraft, it must've been unbelievably frightening. Hats off to the flight crew though, they certainly earned their money that day.
Professional pilots would have seen by the indicators on the dashboard that the controls weren't working properly. These amateurs were lucky they only ruined an expensive aircraft instead of killing innocent people due to their idiocy.
@Clark Kent Would you happily fly as a passenger with any of these pilots who were demonstrably unable to perform their preflight checklist correctly? Like look at the dashboard to see if the roll control surfaces were performing as required? I'm not a pilot but I wouldn't drive my car wit!h the brake warning or oil pressure lights on these pilots took off with after their aircraft warned them not to due to malfunctioning control surfaces. If you are a pilot do you routinely ignore warnings on your dashboard about malfunctioning controls before take off?
@Clark Kent Another point, do you think ignoring warnings about flight control surface malfunctions is the behaviour of professionals? Professional pilots would have not ignored the aircraft's warning during pre flight checklist and not proceeded to take off, or do you think not performing a check list properly and ignoring warnings are the things professional pilots do?
I tried it in a junk car once - rigged the steering linkage to act on the opposite side of the strut column. After getting used to it, the first few minutes in a normal car were harrowing.
@@h.cedric8157 Bikes would be very different as there is a mechanical motion of you turning the wheel and seeing it with your eyes, while with a vehicle yoke or aircraft yoke one can envision themselves 'pulling' into a direction to the left and right. Pulling yourself to the ground, and pushing yourself back into the air. With a bike, it would just literally feel like you're throwing yourself into chaos on every turn as you still have to bank into the proper direction. Edit: Oh it's just the ailerons, so only left and right bank are reversed. at low bank. Yeah that would have been difficult to diagnose, but I can see why they managed to land it.
They should programme this amazing incident into flight simulator training would be interesting. Needless to say I was sadly expecting them to go down . Those pilots should be commended for their excellent airmanship and savvy. ..and yes I would fly with them anyday. Thanks for the amazing story Captain Petter.
As an A&P mechanic, It is beyond comprehension, that after the replacement of control cables and I assume proper tensioning per OAT that inclinometer‘s were not then affixed to the control services and hydraulics applied for a full function check. (For proper maintenance manual deflection) Furthermore, that this function check was not then repeated by the ferry crew on the flight line prior to departure.
The ferry crew had at least the excusion that they weren´t informed what maintenance had be done and that they had as a "normal" flight crew no experience how to perform a ferry flight after heavy maintenance was done.
As a PPL who twice had ailerons jamming up I can appreciate how scary it was for those guys and I was able to keep upright. . I actually checked visually before every flight that my controls were ok but I still had these two incidents. The first time the Flying school didn't believe me as all was well when I landed but the second time I had an instructor with me and he was able to confirm the problem. I think they eventually found a foreign object somewhere in the cable routing that intermittently jammed things up. Regards, Jim in NI UK.
During WW2 some US aircraft manufacturing plants were having issues with quality control. To correct the problem the started a program where random assembly line workers were picked and taken along on the first flight of the planes. Now that they had a personal interest in the quality of the product most of the production problems disappeared.
@@tylisirn I believe my sources worked for Boeing, probably making B17s. They also said that once they hit their quota they would take a nap inside a wing. If you exceeded the quota the next week it would be increased so they made sure to meet it exactly and no more.
That remembers me that in the early days of cannon production the manufactor of a cannon has to stay next to his cannon for the first three shoots.... In that days cannons sometime exploded due to manufactoring mistakes...
Wow some of these things are scary! I wonder if it's why for example Honda engines are so reliable. do you think the Japanese Honour / Shame culture factors in to the engineers producing a product that's as good as possible?
What an amazing crew in so many ways; from the initial rejection of the plane, to the immediate trouble-shooting and problem-solving under extreme stress, to the rotation of exhausted staff to someone a bit fresher. It was just amazing.
From time to time you hear people say that essentially airline pilots are glorified bus drivers. When you hear that for long enough, you may end up forgetting to account for the myriad skills and duties that are relevant in the air, as I did (which I am ashamed to admit). This channel really opened my eyes to this amazing profession.
So true - like a lot of jobs, it's only easy while things are unfolding as they should. But the pilot/surgeon/live TV host really earns his/her money when the unexpected happens and they have to problem solve under pressure. And when lives are at stake against the clock, as is so uniquely the case with an aviation crisis, it really sorts the men from the boys, and the diamonds from the rhinestones! This story could have ended in tragedy, had three different pilots been in the hot seat that day. These video reconstructions of real events so often reveal that communication between the pilots on the flight deck, good or bad, can literally mean the difference between life and death.
Don't insult bus drivers! The other day I was on a bus in heavy traffic and a lunatic car driver tried to nip right under the left front side; when the car on the right saw that they slowed right down and dropped back boxing the bus in--the woman at the wheel of the bus yelled words at the faulty driver which I hope he heard, while carefully steering with the small movements that are the only kind possible with a vehicle that heavy. Bus drivers have to maintain that kind of responsive alertness all day long WHILE acting as both pilot and cabin crew simultaneously. I'm not saying a bus is as complex to operate as an airplane, nowhere near, but there should be no dismissive comments about the job.
So to get to a point where the plane is responding in the opposite way to the pilots movements is actually considered "manageable"... Wow. That must have been incredibly challenging and yet they landed safely - that's incredible airmanship for which they deserve an award.
I remember hearing about this at the time and wondered why it took so long to realise it was aileron reversal but this video explains that the flight spoilers were counteracting their inputs. This made me realise just how not simple this was. I wonder if they gave the standard disembarkation message of "Thank you for flying with Air Astana and hope to see you again". Top top marks for the pilots, they definitely earned their pay packet that day.
I tried this in X-plane (reversed the axis on the yoke), and didn't make it more than a mile from the threshold before I was eating dirt, and that's with only reversed ailerons, not the backwards spoilers... I imagine the landing distance on that aircraft was WAY longer than mormal, due to the heavy cargo of flight-crew balls being carried that day...
After reading your comment I have tried this exact thing in War Thunder simulator battles. Which granted isn't the most realistic simulator, but it's the one I have the most experience on and find the most enjoyable. I have tried it with a few of my favorite planes. All of my attempts ended the same way; I was able to take of successfully every time, and was able to fly straight relatively easily. But every turn was a struggle (obviously). After a while each time when things got south, my muscle memory kicked in, and then it only got worse resulting in a crash eventually. Obviously you cannot compare a (post) WW2 fighter, and a commercial jet, especially when one gets flown IRL and other in a arcadeish simulator. But I still admire these pilots, what they did is truly amazing.
@@trollmcclure1884 not really, since the rudder is mostly used for small corrections only. I heard that some (airline) pilots don't use the rudder whatsoever in the air, only on the ground.
@@trollmcclure1884 As for turning off / decreasing thrust on one engine, that would obviously create asymmetric thrust. Which would indeed yaw a plane towards the side with less thrust, but also roll it on that side, so I think that doing that would be even harder to control.
@@mrcreepypl in some games I played the rudder turned the plane horizontally without rolling to the side. It seemed to me as the perfect solution in this case. It was rather a small plane tho. It has to do something when it turns the plane on the ground otherwise it wouldnt be there
NO THEY DONT!!! - They failed in the most fundamental manner imaginable - Failing to do correct pre-flight checks! - All 3 of them failing....following 6 mths work on main flight controls by an independent company??? - Absolutely unbelievable............................
@@davidstuart4915 they were a substitute crew drafted in at the last minute and didn’t know anything about the length or nature of the maintenance works. The airline has been criticised for their acceptance procedures in the report and has since changed them.
@@tranquilitytranquility1407 substitute from outer Mongolia or whatever, they Will of course know all about the service work as it will be in the Log, which is of course is part of pre-flight!...I imagine they skipped that too.....
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 indeed....but it made it back onto the ground in one piece instead of catastrophically disassembling in mid air at mind bending g forces and speeds. Therefore praise worthy workmanship.
I've been an aviation enthusiast for 30 yrs. This is probably one of the greatest feats of flying ever, if not the greatest of all time. Love from India 🇮🇳
I was working, seeing this live on Flightradar24. I used to work in Lisbon and from my window in Povoa de Santa Iria, I could see the runway for Alverca AFB. I was nervous as hell, the relief when they managed to land in Beja!! The never quitted, amazing.
@@ellicel Moral support lol Joking but it's actually also true. But here is the real answer: "An hour after calling Mayday, the pilot announced he had control of the plane and could maintain a set heading and altitude. By this point, they were accompanied by a pair of F-16 fighter jets scrambled by the Portuguese air force, which led the Embraer south toward the airport in Beja. Even when your navigation systems are working, that kind of guidance is helpful because it gives you one less thing to worry about. “All of this takes a lot of mental bandwidth, and it’s nice to have a jet that you can just fly next to,” Pruchnicki (a former airline pilot who teaches aviation safety, human factors, accident investigation, and complex aircraft operation at Ohio State University’s Center for Aviation Studies) says. “That way the burden is shifted onto them. It’s good crew resource management.” Remember that aviating-maintaining control of the plane-comes before navigating. (The fighter pilots can also take a look at the parts of the plane you can’t see and maybe figure out what’s wrong.)"
@@ellicel pretty simple, if you listen to the ATC recording, the pilots were so confused and the aircraft in such a bad shape that they were always asking for their heading. The two F-16 actually guided them to Beja (which reads like Besha and not Berra), and at the third try they've managed to land.
The pilots performed an amazing feat but they wouldn't have been in that position if they had done their pre-flight checks properly. They missed at least two checks which should have told them something was far wrong. Sullenberger didn't take off in a aircraft that was broken and was trying to tell him it was broken.
@@davebarclay4429 Exactly, almost every party involved would have reason to not want that level of attention for this mishap. That said, the pilots obviously did an amazing job limiting the cost of the many initial mistakes.
@@davebarclay4429 oh yeah, well, I'm not a pilot and hadn't thought about that But, still - their skill and resourcefulness saved them from their negligence. I assume many pilots might have fumbled and dropped that ball so to speak. They held on by a thread. I can only imagine the total physical and mental exhaustion they must've endured. I bet those pilots, crew, and passengers had the most ecstatic sleep of their lives that night. They must've been high on just being alive for days after all that. Imagine the first hot shower or bath after surviving that? Just standing there with the water running down your head feeling like you've just been literally born again. I broke my neck once and survived. I also survived the Marco Polo highrise fire in Honolulu. I know that feeling like being born again with a totally new life - I'm well acquainted
Well the culture is very american centric so brilliant actions of american pilots are much more promoted than brilliant actions of other nationalities do we wont see movies in hollywood about kazakh pilots :/
Yesterday I went to a local county fair with my three younger siblings. We went on a spinny ride with little fake boats where you go around really fast in a circle and also up and down a bit, and after about 45 seconds I nearly lost my shit. The idea of being a passenger on this flight, let alone having to somehow maintain my faculties and continue trying to keep it in the air, is almost unthinkable to me. I'm so impressed by any human being who could get out of this alive.
I guess Captain was so full of adrenalin that he didn't even think about being incapacitated. I would not be suprised if after landing he passed out. Which he did not. What a man.
Afterwards he went to the local golf course and set a course record, banged a princess and dragged his brass balls home in the Ferrari she gave him but on the way home he saved a family from a house fire.
This is so amazing ... I flew my Cherokee for 34 years and always visually looked at operation of the ailerons during run-up (couldn't see the tail of course). And I know my annual inspection guys always did the same. So easy to just LOOK!?!?!
This is insane that the crew managed to land at all. It reminds me of a L1011 crew that landed with controlling the engines only as everything else was not functioning. Btw, your simulated F-16s are in fact F-18s...
United Flight 232 was a DC-10 that also had to fly using only differential engine thrust when the #2 engine shed parts and shredded the hydraulic systems.
I love how these videos give the technical side without all the drama that a TV show would. This is very, very high quality production and information. Definitly one of the best channels on UA-cam!
Completely insane. Killer crew indeed. Never gave up and saved the day. Yes, they hadn't picked the problem up in pre-flight check, but made up for it by sciencing the living crap out of this until they could land. Also didn't lose patience at the multiple difficult landing attempts.
The crew clearly fell victim to expectation bias and I imagine 99% of flight crews wouldn't have picked up on the issue either, I know I certainly wouldn't have. It is a very difficult fault to detect, as it looks almost the same on the flight control position indicator as it does when everything is working correctly, just that a couple of small green rectangles are moving the wrong way. I think the flight control position indicator should use color coding, for example, the surfaces appear green when configured for a bank to the right, and red when configured for a bank to the left, so a mix of red and green flight control surfaces means there is an obvious problem
@@DMAX-tp4pc Have you even considered the fact that you know exactly what went wrong having had it clearly explained to you whereas these pilots had no clue why this was happening? Even with such a catastrophic loss of control they still managed to land it so they deserve credit
@@DMAX-tp4pc if you are not a pilot, you should stop telling what could have been done. Sit in your car and try to drive along the highway when the car goes left if you turn the wheel right, and stopping is not an option . I wonder how far you get.
"never stopped troubleshooting" seems a lot like the movies where they're holding a grenade "how long can you hold it? for the rest of my life". Ever reason to try, nothing to lose.
I am obsessed with your channel I was scared as shit flying, point of hyperventilation, I used to do alot of sports, fotball and combat, great trainers that taught me how to deal with nervousatissity, stress, anxiety. I had to maximize my use of these whenever flying, have said no thanks to vacations and stuff just because flying was a huge problem your channel helped me understand aviation better, and actually helped me alot with this problem, I have started flying again :) now I just bench watch these ones that doesn't always end well... doesn't help my problem :D but I cant stop watching your informative videos that entertain!
With that kind of intense sustained adrenaline, everyone must’ve been EXHAUSTED once they were safely on the ground. Poor folks. Glad they had exceptional pilots to keep them safe!
I hope after everyone had finished throwing up into their sick bags the pilots recieved the biggest round of applause because that's some damn impressive flying skills those pilots demonstrated on this flight.
There was no applause because the 3 passengers were the people who were responsible for destroying the airliner. Applauding would be like shaking hands with someone when they tried to kill you.
Thank God it's becoming harder and harder to thread those holes. That's the beauty of the NTSB and other aircraft investigators is they're able to use these instance to learn and improve to hopefully have similar incidents never happen again. It makes me feel safer when I fly.
@@FrostySumo Yes, indeed, at least the "tombstone policy" works. It´s result of a tremendous performance of the flight crew and the sturdiness of the airframe that everybody survived here, but we should learn from this, too.
I cannot imagine the stress they had to deal with while spiraling in the air for an hour straight. Absolutely wild that they kept it up that entire time and managed to troubleshoot while doing so.
@@richcarrCCC absolutely. I'm sure if I were him I'd done anything possible to pretend it never happened. That's no the memories I'd like to revisit very often.
This is a great video!! I've worked EMB 170's, 175's and 190's. This is by far my most favorite plane I have ever worked on as an A&P!! They are tanks, but I can't believe this one held together! Great work by the pilots! I have changed countless aileron cables on these birds and I can tell you, just like any other maintenance task, you need to triple check yourself as well as having a RII inspector sign off on the work you did! I understand how they can get crossed as you are pulling the new ones through. They have so much slack in them, that they sag, and If you aren't paying attention, you an run the opposite cable to the bellcrank. But If you would run the ailerons after like the maintenance manual tells you, they would have seen the ailerons moving in the opposite direction! The cables were notorious for wearing out where the fairleads would guide them along the rear of the wing. Dirt and debris collected in these areas and acted as an abrasive and basically ground the cables down to just strands holding it together! Up until They enacted the SB to fix the issue, instead of inspecting them, I just replaced every one, because they all had some wear in them, and if you see wear, you will find broken strands of cable in that area if you bent them. Great maintenance keeps everyone safe! Keep em flying like your own family is flying on them!!!
I remember watching this on VAS Aviation's channel and I couldn't imagine the helplessness and hopelessness the crew had to have felt inwardly. I was also super impressed with the crew and their skill and outward composure when working with ATC. This was a great video from VAS and from Mentour
Wow, so proud of my countrymen pilots) Not really surprised that the guys skipped the preparation part, but it’s crazy how they kept their composure and thirst for life.
@@peddersoldchap I understand your point, but it's not a generalization in this case. I'm just living here more than a decade now, and unfortunately made a lot of experiences that brought always at this sad aspect of this country (that I love). I can't blame no one than the politics for this. People are amazing
@@quartfeira I have a holiday home in the south of Portugal and I totally agree with you, the people are amazing (and the food). Regarding the politics, Portugal has had the leftists ruling for the last 50 years, so yeah things could be better in that regard.
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I can't find the link to the vas aviation video, is it me not looking well enough or is it just not there yet ?
Hej, where's that VasAviation link you promised us?
@@robert_trumpeteer I'm trying to post the links, but youtube isn't allowing it.
Last part of the adress is kIc8Rr-cKd8 for the first part, and evYLkhxoP3U for part two.
I found the manscaped promo very funny 👍
@@Asptuber thank you for the effort, wasn't asking for myself tbh and tried to point it out in the politest way 😅😄
The first officer, after the landing attempt, acknowledging that he had hit his limits, and being willing to take a back seat, and trusting his fellow pilot to take over and do the job, is as amazing as anything in here. That is not an easy thing to do, especially under this much stress, to know when you've gone beyond what you are capable of, and be willing to leave it in some one else's hands.
Definitely. And I'm glad someone was there to fill his seat, otherwise he probably would've had to push past his limits at the risk of making bad decisions.
Imagine how spent he must have been to get to that point of realization.
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@@Huntracony Or the Captain should get the controls to replace the tired FO
The fact that they were able to land that thing successfully is INSANE
It is amazing that they were able to land safely after that ordeal! Their aviation skills are supreme. Bravo!!
Most of this pilots have an former military background.
it reminded me of that time when russian pilots had used asymmetrical engine thrust to steer a faulty tu154 to fly and land successfully. madness
MY GOD SPOILERS CMON MANNNG
@@aruhtaz who tf reads comments before watching a video, ur own fault MANG
"We need a vector to the ocean for ditching. Away from the trees and people."
Yes they actually said this to ATC at one point. When ATC asked to clarify if they wanted to land, they said no we have to ditch the plane is uncontrollable. You know it was bad when their best plan is to crash into the ocean. Then when ATC told them they were 40 miles from the ocean, they asked for a vector to the river. They didn't think they could make it 40 miles. That had to be terrifying.
that's so heart breaking to hear. So happy that their managed to land the aircraft, incredible airman skill!!
Imagine trying to hit a river with that little control! At least the ocean was a big target!
@@andrewnajarian5994 Tejo is quite wide, it's often over 500m wide, and has a large estuary starting around 35km from the coast, where it's over 10km wide in some parts, that's probably what ATC was thinking about.
The fact the first thing on their minds was how to prevent this from being any worse of a disaster really shows how much they care. Already accepting they might not be able to save the plane and just hoping they can save everyone else on the ground.
I'd say it's a blessing in disguise. If they could ditch it they might not have made it back alive.
Insane levels of skill by these pilots. I’m not Kazakh but I’ve spent a lot of time in Kazakhstan and on Air Astana. It doesn’t surprise me for a second that these guys pulled off a miracle, and that they did it trying to save lives.
Kazakhstan rocks
Thankx for the comment
Kazakhstan the No. 1 exporter of pilots with great balls of steel. Amazing
#1 exporter of Potassium! It is niiice!
Great success!
I think only the first officer was Kazakh, the other 2 were Russian nationals.
I actually got quite emotional at the conclusion of this. When I started watching, I automatically assumed it was a fatal crash. What an amazing story, brilliantly explained.
The Portuguese air force coming to help them made me a little emotional. I imagined what it was like for the crew and passengers to see them arrive, knowing that they were there to help
Kazakh pilots heroes 🦸♂️
@@raimkumar4412 absolute gigachads
If the pilots didn't break down when they landed, they aren't human.
Spoiler alert
I read captain’s account and he said that they were a substitute crew drafted at the last minute and didn’t know anything about how long the plane was in maintenance for or what works were done. At some point during the flight, exhausted from the physical effort of trying to control the plane they asked the people at the back if they could bring some water into cockpit. When one of the maintenance guys came in (that’s where the ankle injury is from) they asked him about the nature of the maintenance works and from that quickly deduced what the problem might be. They sent him back to observe what the ailerons were doing and that confirmed it.
Awesome! Thanks for that piece of the puzzle.
That are very interesting informations, indeed.
The crew not knowing about the type of maintenance conducted would explain their minimal attention to verifying the aileron movements during the pre-flight check.
@@screamingduck619 Yes, that is very plausible.
Shouldn't their be a log for them to read before takeoff that would have shown them the previous flight and directed them to the maintenance log? (non-pilot here but I thought that a new crew read notes from the previous flight)
The fact this plane didn't break apart is simply incredible. Shows how important high tolerances are!
A DHL A300 landed with half of its wing destroyed by a missile. Amazing how resilient airplanes are.
@@uap24 ....this aircraft performed full aerobatic maneuvers for 2 hours and had to be scrapped on the spot after a successful landing.....Embraer built a stout aircraft to have not broken up in flight.
Not incredible, but fortunatel that the aviation mantra of check and check again was followed correctly by the pilot. Good lesson for his student to learn.
@@uap24i Wonder how even more durable airplanes will get in the future , even more accidents will be prevented
@@ssnerd583This Was not the only case where an Embraer Airplane faced this type of challenge. During a famous accident in the Amazon, an airplaned from the Brazilian airline Gol collided on the air with an Embraer jet. All people aboard the Gol airplane died, but the Embraer jet was able to land safely.
During the initial flight tests, an Embraer KC 390 faced extreme high G pressure on a certain flight, but they managed to land it safely.
Kudos to the first officer for stepping aside when he knew he was in over his head mentally. It takes a strong person to make the proper decision for the greater good of everyone involved, than to worry about personal pride.
Pretty sure it was a more physical exhaustion that made him step back rather than mental. Anyway, amazing decision making.
Probably broken by that point. Poor guy.
So these pilots were forced to learn how to fly with a new kind of control system, while essentially strapped into a G centrifuge, without receiving prior instruction and without knowing that thy were in fact, test pilots that day. That has to be one of the most impressive feats of flying in history.
Indeed.
@@RuiMPCraveiroAlso: Indeed.
@@RuiMPCraveiro i think in the 1st place a computer would have never take off ( lot's of redundant checks , would have make sure it would have not ). i'm not lessening the impressive work of the pilots.
@@RuiMPCraveiro That's what i'm saying, in this case we saw that the pilots didn't make a check they should have done ( they would have seen that commands didn't respond as intended and then they wouldn't have take off ). this fail " from the pilots " is the last one (and the only one from the pilots ) from a long list of fails. And yes with a full conmputer controled cheklist if this case is not implemented the software wouldn't have even noticed it.
I think it would be fair to say the crew were very highly motivated to learn and sometimes that, combined with the proper temperament and communication makes all the difference in the world. Much like the crew of the Sioux City flight many years ago very nearly mastered flying with no hydraulics or control surfaces saving a great many lives in the process (though, sadly, not all lives could be saved, but not for lack of trying despite seemingly impossible odds!).
That's a real kick in the face right there...as soon as they land they get that error message. What an amazing crew.
Yes that is just insane. If i were the pilot I would have lobbied for scrapping that plane regardless if the engineers reported it could fly or not, just because of the way it was taunting them.
Scrapping. I would have picked up a sledgehammer and smashed the ECAS to pieces shouting "How about now Cpt Obvious?"
@@adsadasd265 The warning probably was suppressed instead of fixed. There's been other cases which Mentour reported on which featured suppressed notifications in the ECAM system, and which only appeared somehow after the incident was resolved.
Flying in the same company, same fleet and knowing each of you personally makes me really proud of you guys. I have just watched the National Geographic investigation documentary and I can't imagine the level of emotions you had on that day. Vyacheslav Aushev, Sergeı Sokolov, Bauyrjan Qarasholaqov you engraved your names in history forever.
Hi Mr Pilot, see you around in Air Astana flights!
Бауыржан молодец! Гордимся нашим казахом!!!!! Қазақтар, алға!
Indeed.
@Mentour Pilot
Would you consider pinning @Oskar Lima's comment? It's nice that he gives credit to all three by name and it would be nice if they got that recognition, after all. Thanks, Petter!
Respect
After having found this fantastic channel and today having watched this video with the Embraer Jet aileron failure, I felt comming up an incident stored unerasable in my memories.
As a young mechanical engineering student in the early 1980s, I did an internship at an aircraft repair shop.
Of course, I was only allowed to work under supervision and was not allowed to carry out any safety-related work.
But I was very skilled, knew a lot about airplanes, even as a child I built remote-controlled model airplanes. Therefore, the control functions were absolutely familiar to me.
A major check was carried out on a Fairchild Metroliner...also implemented service bulletins...I was allowed to work under supervision and according to instructions, which I was very proud of.
All main and trim control cables were also replaced, although of course I wasn't allowed to be involved.
Of course the works were late and there were already heated discussions in the offices.
On the day of the workshop flight, I stood at the hangar gate and admiring this beautiful aircraft on the apron... just as I had admired all aircraft... except for me, nobody watched and followed the start-up and runup.
There were two pilots on board, there had been extensive ground runs the day before.
At some point the plane started rolling, away from the apron towards one of the two taxiways.
It had been rolling for a while when I could see the rudders moving...elevator, aileron...multiple times....no one but me was paying attention to the machine at that moment.
I couldn't believe my eyes but actually, the ailerons moved in the same direction...both up...both down.
I was stunned, because the machine continued to taxi undeterred towards the runway holding point at the only runway.
There was no radio nearby, no telephone either... and if, I did, I didn't know how to reach anyone... and at first I thought... the pilots must have noticed that... but they didn't.
The plane reached the holding point, the engines became louder, I could hear the engines roaring while checking the propeller pitch, the typical sound of a turboprop at that time....obviously the takeoff checks were continuing.
I ran completely horrified onto the apron of our small city airport, there was nothing going on at that time. I was fully aware would happen as soon as they would begin the take off run
I tried to draw attention to myself with waving movements and screams...no one took any notice of me.
Luckily, one of the yellow jackets just came out of a door at the terminal...that's what the guys from the ground crew got calle...I knew him by sight.
I ran to him, I'm sure he would have a handheld radio...but I was afraid he wouldn't understand what I wanted or would think I was nuts.
Luckily he was so impressed by my excitement that he radioed the tower or apron control and at the small airfield it was either the same controller or the two were sitting next to each other.
And so the pilots were actually radioed to make sure what was going on with a rudder check.
Well... and then they rolled back.
To me ist was clear at that moment, this I saved the lives of the pilots...and who knows how many others too...the first change of direction in the climb would have been directly above our city, as I know today.
The pilots did not notice before, the aileron flaps went in the same direction ….I received many thanks for my attention, I stayed in touch with these guys quite some years and the aicraft shop gave me jobs all time during my studies which helped me very much.
As far as I know, the incident was never officially recorded anywhere...however, there were some serious consequences internally, at the shop...and at the airline.
I graduated successfully...and saved money from my early salaries to do my PPL.
You can probably guess which item in the checklist I am very serious about...
Thanks for your patience if yot reached this end of my comment. I tought it is worth writing it...
Real great job you do with this channel, I really admire it!
Greetings from Germany, Chris
That’s amazing!
You were the guardian angel that day ...saving many lives as it could have crashed in the city ...stay blessed...
Well done, Chris.
Gut gemacht!
Well done indeed 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Fascinating story. I thought it was going to end in tragedy. Hats off to those pilots for staying calm.
Indeed!
hats off, right hand on my heart.
I noticed at the start of the video that it *didn't* warn that this video was about an accident that resulted in loss of life, which Mentour usually does.
So for me, the surprise was from the other direction: that they fully rolled, and were hitting +4.5g and -0.5g loads. Like, wow, their plane did that, and they still managed to recover and not die!
After hearing that they survived the initial upset, I was optimistic for them to have time to work the problem and learn how the plane could be controlled. But damn, it sounds even harder than I'd guessed it might be. Finding the dead zone for the spoilers and using aileron control within that tiny range, with reversed controls vs. what they'd learned in all their hours of flying. So easy to let your muscle memory react and push too far, or in the wrong direction, I'm sure.
I'd been expecting that the ailerons were going to have stopped working or something, and maybe they'd had to use differential engine thrust to turn the plane like in another incident where the controls were dead. (Really difficult I'm sure, but not a rough ride, and something known to be possible.) But this is way worse, especially when they don't know that the plane had undergone maintenance at all so don't know why it would be doing that. And roll control inputs would mostly make things worse, with the actual effect dependent on airspeed I'd guess. Wow.
When he said the pilots never gave up trouble shooting to the end, I was convinced this was this was going to end with everyone dying. Never been so happy to be wrong, what an excellent crew for getting the plane down safely with no more than a twisted ankle.
I thought the same...
I was not expecting this story to end with a safe landing and just 1 minor injury, and I'm sure nobody on the plane expected that either. These pilots are the guys I want to be flying me wherever I've got to go!
Thats why I dont trust those fly by wire planes, would rather have an experienced crew having full control
You could mention something....spoiler alert... before placing your comment;)
@@mafketeltje1988 Who reads comments, where of course this video is discussed, before watching the video ..would make his own mistake !
Tho you placed it in a friendly manner !, - your "awareness" for others goes a little far ;)
@@Narrowcros all planes are fly by wire at this point
@@Narrowcros this wasn't even remotely a fly-by-wire malfunction
Checklist item 1. Flight controls free and CORRECT. My flight instructor gave me a Cessna 172 that had just came in from maintenance. (He knew that the ailerons were strung backwards, but wanted to see if I would pick up on what was wrong) I just saw that the controls were free, but I didn't check for "correct". He let me get as far as starting to taxi, but then had me double check, and I must have turned as white as a ghost when I saw what was wrong. I learned an important lesson that day.
On a Cessna it's far simpler to realize that something is off with you controls. Maintenance crew after they finish with work are required to check all systems operations and that is mostly visual. For big airplanes you need maintenance crew of at least 3 people to do safety checks. Anyway that means that at least the maintenance crew, the captain and FO failed to notice the problem. TWO CHECKS were performed but still went unnoticed.
Smart instructor; made the point and made it stick.
Good work, the instructor used the situation to really make the point to the pupil, do your checks and don't rush. I hope he went back to the hanger confronted who ever did the job and the supervisor who checked and oversigned it, and explained the new reality of their employment status!
Great instructors find a way to teach important lessons in a way that they won't be forgotten.
@@brk932I worked on heavy aircraft for 20 yrs. Two people can do a flight control check which is part of every preflight inspection. The maintenance crew screwed the pooch as well as the maintenance inspector who signed off the repairs. The crew is ultimately responsible and they obviously didn’t either follow the checklist, didn’t do a proper preflight, or the guy on the ground didn’t see what he thought he saw.
As a frequent passenger on Embraer 190s I want to raise a glass to that resilient little jet that held it together to the very end.
True that!
They're great planes! Flew one to Vienna with Austrian. Very smooth and pleasant.
Yeah, these G-forces were insane. And while the crew pretty much landed it in scrap metal condition, it still functioned relatively well, except for the parts that were botched in the shoddy maintenance job. Looked like trial an error to me, from what I've seen in this video.
You euros have it so good. Get to fly all kinds of cool smaller regional planes. I only fly from aus to europe. A380s and 777's, 787s, and in 2 weeks an a350-900. These are all i ever get to fly.
There are a few 190s used for domestic flights, but i have no idea where to find that info id love to fly on one.
Have only flown in a320s domestic.
@@HeckinwhatonearthEnvy for having flown on an A380 though! I'd love to fly on one myself one day.
This one is insane. I can't even understand how it didn't crash the first time it rolled over, and the extent of the damage suggests that, if they hadn't managed to stabilise it, it would sooner or later have broken up or lost a wing. Absolutely unbelievable that they managed to land it!
Cause the plane was in a permanent roll, so if you upside down they can push forward the control to gain altitude and when it was rolling back to normal you pull back again. Doing that for 30 to 60 minutes is insane... I cant imagine the stres on the body
That's what I don't understand. How the f**K did they not just immediately crash? The first time the plane corkscrewed, how did they regain control and get the plane upright again and wings level? These pilots should get a bonus. Forget 'Sully' Sullenberger, that plane kept itself level. These guys accomplished something a million times harder.
My guess is that moving up/down worked alright.
Good teamwork, combined with strategy and a little bit of luck almost always ends well.
@@BrettonFerguson a considerable self righting force is applied to the aircraft when descending through the air at high speed which helps level of the craft with sufficient height above terrain.
When I launched this video I thought for sure this incident would end in disaster... The fact that these pilots were able to troubleshoot the problem and figure out how to gain enough control of the plane to land safely is amazing and inspiring!
There's still hope. If they could do it its not impossible.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU that they made it through alive. The plane was flown by Captain Vyacheslav Aushev (40); First officer Bauyrzhan Karasholakov (32); and First officer in jumpseat Sergey Sokolov (26).[4][3] Three engineers travelled as passengers.[2]
Спасибо всем троим, настоящие герои и невероятные профессионалы! Это надо же иметь такой дух, знания, решительность, уверенность, непоколебимость в такой ситуации посадить самолет , невероятно !!! Я горжусь нашими пилотами , Kazakhstan pilots are the best👍👍👍👍👍👍
I’m a nurse (ICU and hospice, now in admin). We used the term “ADPIE” to give us a path for a patient who was becoming unstable - assess, decide what was wrong, prioritize next interventions, implement the interventions and then evaluate the patient to see if the interventions made things better or worse, and start over with the “A” if needed. I’ve been in hairy situations, but never had to try to do my job or ADPIE while barrel rolling across the sky. That’s so amazing that an ankle sprain was the only injury. True airmanship at its finest.
Indeed! Thank you for your feedback, that’s awesome
There seems to be a similar process like your mentioned ADPIE - as a part of the so called crew resource management in some airlines. It's also also intended to make a good decision quickly. The process is called FORDEC, which stands for:
- Facts (collect all the facts, but only the facts, no interpretation etc.)
- Options (which options are available)
- Risks (which risks exists)
- Decission (based an the FOR - make a decission)
- Execution (implement the decision)
- Check (check wheter the execution is successfull - if not, restart the process)
But even if I'm not connected to the aviation industry, I think this is a verry usefull concept in so many other cases. But I strongly agree with you - to follow these process step by step when you are doing unwanted barrel rolls in the sky seems to be impossible for most of us. It's amazing how the pilots kept their their situational awareness!
Mentour Pilot frequently talks about a process called PIOSEE that is similar to ADPIE and FORDEC.
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I agree!
It's commendable how the entire crew managed to keep their cool and not give up. Anyone could've easily given up in such a situation
Absolutely
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@@BeingMe23 not if being comfortable means doing 100 barrel rolls in an E190 lol
They probably didn't keep their cool next time they took a plane to OGMA. If I had been put in a situation like that by an inept maintenance company, I'd find it hard not to pay a little visit to every single one of the people responsible. Pretty sure a good lawer could get it written off as a totally understandable bout of temporary PTSD. :D
@@MentourPilot this makes me think of the movie Flight (2012), where denzel keeps saying he was given a broken plane. I can't think of any situation worse than this one with a plane... but also I feel like the pilots there, would probably feel like retiring immediately afterwards.... Is there a system for something like that? Nearly die in a plane crash and you get an early pension? I feel like maybe they could get there by suing the airline (Or due pilots waive their rights to that as employees / onboarding paperwork?)
As a student pilot I was flying solo in a Cessna 152 Aerobat when all of a sudden my yoke froze at 3000 ft. I looked and looked but found nothing that I could see. I felt I had no choice and pulled hard. I didn't know what else to do. My control returned, but with about 12" of slop. I managed to get back to the uncontrolled ARPT runway and landed. I did report the emergency and my instructor was on the runway waiting. I landed safely due to judicious use of the throttle and a long final approach. It turns out that the last pilot had tossed a Pepsi bottle aft of the seats and it got tangled in the cables. I was concerned, but not scared which I attribute having had an excellent instructor. As in all things of life, you just never know what's around the corner, but good training and practice (even for the ridiculous) can and will save your butt!
a pepsi bottle, so basically trash almost caused a horrific end. damn
You must have sued the "#$@ pilot who did that
You’re very lucky that you didn’t snap your elevator cable.
You couldn’t just control pitch with trim? Or was that stuck too?
Either way you made it down safe so congrats on that.
@@byronhenry6518 the operative word was “STUDENT” pilot.
@@KleineLette Absolutely. Must have been one helluva flight. We were all student pilots at one point.
I have flown RC aircraft for 35 years. I inadvertently took off with my ailerons reversed once. It is so hard to override muscle memory built up from hundreds or thousands of hours of flying so I have massive respect for these pilots. You are fighting reflex control movements that will cause the aircraft to go to an even worse attitude. You have to think about each and every control movement which increases reaction time a lot. Add in having the computer controlled spoilers going against what you are trying to do (even though they were working correctly) and the difficulty goes up exponentially.
Again, MASSIVE respect for these pilots and so glad they landed safely.
That’s absolutely incredible that they are all alive! I surely thought at the beginning nobody was going to make it! Amazing work by the pilots.
Yes, this was a fantastic story
@@MentourPilot One of the best displays of flying and airmanship in aviation history IMO
4,5g in an airliner? Jeeeeeeesus. Props for Embraer for making such a strong plane.
That's loads all planes are built to survive, since they need to handle turbulence, rough landings etc. Just that they have no safety margin left and most planes will age very badly from it. Which is why this plane suffered wrinkling etc and had to be scrapped.
All are supposed to handle over 5 G's..
@@perwestermark8920 awww they should've plonked it in a museum. This plane is essentially learning history.
@@h.cedric8157 This kind of planes are a bit big for a museum and quite expensive to transport.
There are smaller planes that has suffered from overload and survived to land.
By the way - many generations of military planes also have limited abilities to handle high g loads, even if the plane may be designed for allowing the pilot to do 10g pull ups. The air frame can handle many thousand hours of easy flying and much less time if doing hard flying. So they need to keep track of how hard life the air frame has lived to figure out expected flight hours remaining before the plane needs to be scrapped.
@@h.cedric8157 I wonder if any of the structurally damaged pieces were inspected and saved for further research
The G-forces that plane endured are incredible. The wings were damaged and the body was wrinkled. Holy Moly!
Embraer makes some durable airplanes lol that one that fell from wind shear in Mexico right after take off didn’t even brake off. It’s crazy to think that only 2 people ever died inside an Embraer and it was due to pilot error (unbalanced fuel)
Of all the videos I watched on your channel, this one had me in a cold sweat in minutes just listening to it. How in the world these pilots managed to get the plane and everyone on board alive after all this madness must be probably the greatest save in aviation history.
Yes, it was an absolutely fantastic achievement! 💕
I thought for sure this would be a fatal outcome. Props to the pilots. Never give up.
Indeed. Never give up.
I was following live via flight radar / live atc here in Portugal and was thinking exactly the same throughout the whole ordeal.
You did not just say...
"... Props to the pilots."
You didn't just make the world's worst PUN... EVER? LOL
Now, be honest, happy accident? Or, was that on purpose. LOL
The fact that they landed in one piece is truly commendable airmanship.
@@NicolaW72 Never surrender!
If you go and listen to the atc audio, the fighter jets were super helpful. There seemed to be a point where they realised that if the plane could make one more left turn, they were pretty well lined up with the runway at the base, so they offered to escort the plane there. Really super helpful stuff.
I had listened to the ATC recordings of this prior to this video being posted, but the visual of what was happening is so much more harrowing than the crew sounded, though the constant requests for vectors out to the sea was heart-wrenching because you knew what it likely meant if they ditched an aircraft that uncontrollable. If I could understand all that was said then I would like to hear the CVR one day. I am certain that is one flight crew who will never miss any step in the preflight ever again. They are certainly a testament to something many instructors teach of "never stop flying the aeroplane". They did a truly amazing job of adapting and learning to not only gain control with reversed aileron roll, but also to safely land without any major injury. Truly astounding and wonderful flying in the worst circumstances.
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These pilots were nothing short of amazing. They were given an Airplane that was impossible to govern, and somehow manage to stabilize it, troubleshoot it, and land it normally.
Just look at this entire playlist how just one upset is dangerous and it makes them look like absolute lords of the sky in comparison.
That the pilot got out of that first roll and dive and regained "control" of the aircraft in level flight without crashing seems like nothing short of a miracle. They seemed to troubleshoot well and did a great job problem solving, but I'm still really amazed they managed to get themselves back into a situation where they could troubleshoot given how insane the first deviations from nominal were.
Another brilliant video with the just the right amount of relevant detail without any of the over-dramatisaiton from the TV shows that do the same type of content. You should be producing content for Nat Geo at this rate!
Thank you! You never know what happens in the future. 😉
@@MentourPilot You’ll never get to say “Ball Toner” on TV though 😁
@@vinayramkumar hahaha! True!
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If Nat Geo would only be on that level…
I felt exhausted just listening to this let alone being on the plane and trying to control it. I was absolutely convinced it was going to crash, so hats off to the pilots for landing it!!
Wow, what a story, retired airline pilot, 30 years with a Middle East airline, 26500 flight hours, training/ Check Capt. Flight Ops lead auditor (IOSA) hats off to the pilots, Mentor, best flight Safety channel, for civil aircraft. Well done, Mentor for excellent video. Chris, Thailand.
very professional video
One of my favorite flight stories. So incredible how they managed to land!
Isn’t it?!! I loved this one
Yeah, I'd never be able to do anything like they did.
Great presentation. This is very rare for the great work you always do, but I noticed that the two F-16s in the animation looked more like F/A 18s. This is a very rare mistake for your animation team, which is the only reason I point it out.
@@MentourPilot My uncle used to work in Alverca, same place the plane was serviced, as an airplane mechanic and later a manager when those were state owned and part of the Portuguese Air force. I'm glad to a point he did not live to see those being privatised and this incident happening. He worked there for 40 years.
@@BehroozShariati You are right. They are FA18 Hornets and not F16s. As you said, it is no big deal but is unusual for his videos.
In Portugal this was big news. The video of the F 16 pilots watching the aircraft landing is heart breaking. The pilot said that it was a miracle that they manage to land after what he saw the aircraft was doing
I hope the OGMA employees responsible faced charges. They repeatedly failed to make essential checks (or even worse, they ignored them).
@Goreuncle In the official reply to the final report OGMA said that they were blamed unfairly and that it’s not their legal responsibility to make sure everything works, and that, in fact, they should be congratulated on their excellent procedures! I’m not even joking!
I don’t want to be wrong here, but isn’t Beja pronounced with a “j” sound like in French and not a Spanish “j” like Mentour used?
@@EdwardNoble3the J in Portuguese is spoken like G in General
Outstanding job by the crew!! At the first airline that i worked for, we had a Metroliner come out of maintenance for a control cable change out and the same thing happened, aileron cables were reversed. The flight never really got airborne on it's test flight, wingtip hit the ground at about the same place that the main wheels left the runway. The results were the only fatal accident in that airline's history (captain, first officer, and the mechanic who was riding along). Needless to say, new procedures were put into place immediately for the test flights after control cable swaps, and I was the lucky guy who got to be captain on the very next control cable test flight. We followed all of the new procedures, and the only issue we had was a very minor landing gear problem. And remember, NEVER, NEVER, EVER GIVE UP!!
Thank you so much for sharing your own experience with this. That is what makes the thread on a video so interesting. Thanks again. All the best, Per (DK)
Holy Molly!! These pilots are heroes! They pulled it off in the most insane circumstance. God bless all pilots and crew around the world 🙏🏼
What's truly insane is the decision to go around twice after hours spent in the air with next to no control. That means the pilot got used to the insanely sensitive controls
I have thousands of hours in EMB170/190s and this is a perfect example of rushing through the procedures. As a matter of fact, I see the flight control check done during taxi in many airlines. I think this distracts the pilots to a certain degree. My current airline and my previous one (embraer operator) we do our flight control check BEFORE taxi. This enables us to give the undivided attention.
Great video. !!
You can bet that this crew will triple check all flight controls from now on.
@@sarkedev Yes.
The fact that they managed to keep that thing in the air for so long without any real roll authority is pretty amazing. It also goes to demonstrate how overbuilt aircraft are... it spent over an hour being subjected to maneuvers and loads well outside of design limits and while clearly worse for the wear, never suffered any mechanical failures beyond what was already present from the maintenance.
I used to be so scared of flying, but watching these videos has helped me a tremendous amount. I (like most non-aviation people) always was under the impression that airplanes are considered safe because things very rarely go wrong, but when they do it's usually catastrophic. But that is absolutely not the case. Things go wrong way more often than people think, but thanks to the redundant design of modern planes, good training and well thought-out safety procedures, almost always the crew manages to land safely in the end.
Having only 3 passengers and no luggage saved the plane. If the plane was fully loaded under those stresses it probably would have broken apart. That said though, you're spot on. It stood up to one hell of a flight!
Soviets did it with a TU104 I believe, with only RET control.
These pilots are from difference dimension just WOW. How they took control of that crazy beast and landed it safely is just INSANE.
I have seen other commercials of Manscaped, it put a smile on my face how Mentour Pilot did the commercial with a straight face.
I feel the same. I usually see manscaped on drag queen content! 🤣
English a second language for him? So he didn't realize the alternative meaning of the word other than "pelota"?
@@davidpowell3347, English is a second language for him, but of course he realized the alternative meaning. I seriously doubt that if you shave balls and call them a "special place" that you're referring to tennis balls.
Having worked in aircraft maintenance (avionics for GA) for a while, this makes me particularly sad. My boss would over promise to customers, and throw us (the installers) under the bus when a job ran longer than he'd quoted. But if any of us ever had a safety concern - for ourselves or for the plane - he would support us. There were a couple of projects that were not finished because the customer was unwilling to pay for the safe solution.
I simply cannot imagine not doing a visual confirmation of the control surface motion. If either the maintenance crew or flight crew had done so, this would have been avoided. They both should have - it only takes a few minutes.
I rarely worked with control surfaces - only when working on an autopilot - but a control check was always part of our internal acceptance check.
Everything you said makes perfect sense. You would think aircraft maintenance is something that money should be left out of.
Fix it right, or ground it. Too much is at stake.
Thanks for the insiders point of view, very informative and good to know.
@@larrystevens7410 Upper management don't see it that way. In corporate America and even in Medical Device design, the engineers & scientists get through under the bus ALL the time. After personally losing my job doing the LEGALLY responsible thing 3 times, I've given up on the field. It's a woke, solipsistic, & dark-triad world now.
There’s no amount of money worth losing even one passenger, Safety should be number one no matter the cost.
@@rchn1315 I can see that would be a huge problem. It always is when the people who make the decisions about things, especially when it comes to people's safety, are not the ones at the controls.
There is a thin line between too much regulation and just enough. But Regulations ARE vitally important. We need to make people responsible for the things they have control over.
But the term you used..."Woke". I don't understand this one. The group Q Anon used that term for the past five years. THEY claimed they were the woke ones.
How did this become a derogatory term for people who are Left of Center politically? You gotta watch stuff like this. "Fake News" was a term used almost 20 years ago when the documentary "Out Foxed" came out and was describing how dishonest FOX News was and how they were creating a culture of media hatred and fomenting a mistrust of anything "inside". If you were an expert or actually knew something, they (FOX News) were attacking you.
You were an "ELITE". Which in any other contest is a good thing. Next time you fly, who do you want flying you, a guy who finished dead last in flight school or an ELITE fighter pilot with years of training and expertise. But somehow anti-science people think knowing things is bad, makes you arrogant and...dangerous? Somehow?
You can see how well Murdoch planned this and how well it worked. Unfortunately Frankenstein's Monster has returned to its maker and is about to rip them to shreds as well.
Anyway, why do terms used by the Right keep coming around to be applied to people on the Left. The true "WOKE" people are the conspiracy nuts.
Anyway, I just found it curious.
When I check to see if my turn signals are working, I don’t look at the dash, I get out of the car and look at the front and rear of the car to see the lights actually blink. These were flight control surfaces that had just had undergone maintenance, duh!
Best story of a "totaled" aircraft I've heard.
True, pretty much the only "totaled" plane in history still in one piece, no bullet holes. Amazing story.
It gives me goosebumps thinking about how close they actually came to breaking apart completely in flight.
Those "G" stats are absolutely insane, that's fighter pilot style flying, I really feel for those on board this aircraft, it must've been unbelievably frightening.
Hats off to the flight crew though, they certainly earned their money that day.
The radio communications between the flight crew, military, and ATC really showed how stressful this event was. I am amazed with their skill.
Holy cow, what a terrifying ordeal, and such great, professional work by the crew!
Professional pilots would have seen by the indicators on the dashboard that the controls weren't working properly. These amateurs were lucky they only ruined an expensive aircraft instead of killing innocent people due to their idiocy.
Good comms from the officer who said he was burned out. Many would have carried on. Important all work together for the best outcome.
@Clark Kent Would you happily fly as a passenger with any of these pilots who were demonstrably unable to perform their preflight checklist correctly? Like look at the dashboard to see if the roll control surfaces were performing as required?
I'm not a pilot but I wouldn't drive my car wit!h the brake warning or oil pressure lights on these pilots took off with after their aircraft warned them not to due to malfunctioning control surfaces. If you are a pilot do you routinely ignore warnings on your dashboard about malfunctioning controls before take off?
@Clark Kent Another point, do you think ignoring warnings about flight control surface malfunctions is the behaviour of professionals? Professional pilots would have not ignored the aircraft's warning during pre flight checklist and not proceeded to take off, or do you think not performing a check list properly and ignoring warnings are the things professional pilots do?
@Clark Kent Well I soloed at 11 years of age but never have piloted an aircraft by myself since then.
Landing with inverted flight controls, fighting every natural instinct to turn the other way, that is impressive! I'd like to try that in the sim.
I tried it in a junk car once - rigged the steering linkage to act on the opposite side of the strut column. After getting used to it, the first few minutes in a normal car were harrowing.
Smarter Everyday tried this on a bicycle.
Took him DAYS to ride that "reversed" bike right
Not hours.
I think I would try to get it lined up and thrn only use the rudder
And they can only use light inputs, or the opposite side spoilers activate, and the aircraft slows and potentially stalls instead of turning.
@@h.cedric8157 Bikes would be very different as there is a mechanical motion of you turning the wheel and seeing it with your eyes, while with a vehicle yoke or aircraft yoke one can envision themselves 'pulling' into a direction to the left and right. Pulling yourself to the ground, and pushing yourself back into the air. With a bike, it would just literally feel like you're throwing yourself into chaos on every turn as you still have to bank into the proper direction.
Edit: Oh it's just the ailerons, so only left and right bank are reversed. at low bank. Yeah that would have been difficult to diagnose, but I can see why they managed to land it.
They should programme this amazing incident into flight simulator training would be interesting. Needless to say I was sadly expecting them to go down . Those pilots should be commended for their excellent airmanship and savvy. ..and yes I would fly with them anyday. Thanks for the amazing story Captain Petter.
That's absolutely harrowing. I'm stunned and happy they made it down safely
As an A&P mechanic, It is beyond comprehension, that after the replacement of control cables and I assume proper tensioning per OAT that inclinometer‘s were not then affixed to the control services and hydraulics applied for a full function check. (For proper maintenance manual deflection)
Furthermore, that this function check was not then repeated by the ferry crew on the flight line prior to departure.
I am with you Ken near 40 years in aviation as an avionics tech it is definitelybeyond comprehension.
The ferry crew had at least the excusion that they weren´t informed what maintenance had be done and that they had as a "normal" flight crew no experience how to perform a ferry flight after heavy maintenance was done.
I have no idea what I read but I'm sure you make a good point
@@hejalll Please just watch the Video - Petter is explaining it in easily understandable words.
@@NicolaW72 Yeah I watched the video, the comment author just used a lot of technical words.
"Which I think is a fantastic feat!"
*cuts to foot*
Well played Petter, well played.
A Well played also goes well with 13:12 ;D
@@MasGinstiC Video editing, ftw.
As a PPL who twice had ailerons jamming up I can appreciate how scary it was for those guys and I was able to keep upright. . I actually checked visually before every flight that my controls were ok but I still had these two incidents. The first time the Flying school didn't believe me as all was well when I landed but the second time I had an instructor with me and he was able to confirm the problem. I think they eventually found a foreign object somewhere in the cable routing that intermittently jammed things up. Regards, Jim in NI UK.
During WW2 some US aircraft manufacturing plants were having issues with quality control. To correct the problem the started a program where random assembly line workers were picked and taken along on the first flight of the planes. Now that they had a personal interest in the quality of the product most of the production problems disappeared.
Hopefully none of those people worked on single seat fighters......
@@tylisirn I believe my sources worked for Boeing, probably making B17s. They also said that once they hit their quota they would take a nap inside a wing. If you exceeded the quota the next week it would be increased so they made sure to meet it exactly and no more.
That remembers me that in the early days of cannon production the manufactor of a cannon has to stay next to his cannon for the first three shoots....
In that days cannons sometime exploded due to manufactoring mistakes...
Those OGMA guys should be forced to fly each of their maint checks before handover...
Wow some of these things are scary! I wonder if it's why for example Honda engines are so reliable. do you think the Japanese Honour / Shame culture factors in to the engineers producing a product that's as good as possible?
What an amazing crew in so many ways; from the initial rejection of the plane, to the immediate trouble-shooting and problem-solving under extreme stress, to the rotation of exhausted staff to someone a bit fresher. It was just amazing.
That's an incredible story. Those pilots deserve awards
They did
Amazing control of the airplane with creativity and bravoure. Congratulations.
This is a testament to the reiability of the Embraer E-190.
This thing was flying like a fighter jet and yet it stood structurally sound.
From time to time you hear people say that essentially airline pilots are glorified bus drivers. When you hear that for long enough, you may end up forgetting to account for the myriad skills and duties that are relevant in the air, as I did (which I am ashamed to admit). This channel really opened my eyes to this amazing profession.
Great to hear.
So true - like a lot of jobs, it's only easy while things are unfolding as they should. But the pilot/surgeon/live TV host really earns his/her money when the unexpected happens and they have to problem solve under pressure. And when lives are at stake against the clock, as is so uniquely the case with an aviation crisis, it really sorts the men from the boys, and the diamonds from the rhinestones!
This story could have ended in tragedy, had three different pilots been in the hot seat that day. These video reconstructions of real events so often reveal that communication between the pilots on the flight deck, good or bad, can literally mean the difference between life and death.
Don't insult bus drivers! The other day I was on a bus in heavy traffic and a lunatic car driver tried to nip right under the left front side; when the car on the right saw that they slowed right down and dropped back boxing the bus in--the woman at the wheel of the bus yelled words at the faulty driver which I hope he heard, while carefully steering with the small movements that are the only kind possible with a vehicle that heavy. Bus drivers have to maintain that kind of responsive alertness all day long WHILE acting as both pilot and cabin crew simultaneously. I'm not saying a bus is as complex to operate as an airplane, nowhere near, but there should be no dismissive comments about the job.
@@levanataylor790 good point! I didn't mean to demean bus drivers.
So to get to a point where the plane is responding in the opposite way to the pilots movements is actually considered "manageable"... Wow. That must have been incredibly challenging and yet they landed safely - that's incredible airmanship for which they deserve an award.
"We have the G forces between +/- 3 G. Now, let's land this thing!"
@@flagmichael I suspect they were all ex fighter pilots trained on MIG high G fighter jets.
This happens on a motorcycle above a certain speed and you get used to it, but I guess not realizing it is happening could be confusing
and with a regular crew, not test pilots.
Makes landing in the Hudson River look routine!
I can’t even imagine!! This crew was outstanding. They never gave up even under this immense pressure and just horrific circumstances.
This is one of the most amazing stories I've ever heard.
Indeed!👍
I remember hearing about this at the time and wondered why it took so long to realise it was aileron reversal but this video explains that the flight spoilers were counteracting their inputs. This made me realise just how not simple this was. I wonder if they gave the standard disembarkation message of "Thank you for flying with Air Astana and hope to see you again". Top top marks for the pilots, they definitely earned their pay packet that day.
I tried this in X-plane (reversed the axis on the yoke), and didn't make it more than a mile from the threshold before I was eating dirt, and that's with only reversed ailerons, not the backwards spoilers... I imagine the landing distance on that aircraft was WAY longer than mormal, due to the heavy cargo of flight-crew balls being carried that day...
After reading your comment I have tried this exact thing in War Thunder simulator battles. Which granted isn't the most realistic simulator, but it's the one I have the most experience on and find the most enjoyable. I have tried it with a few of my favorite planes. All of my attempts ended the same way; I was able to take of successfully every time, and was able to fly straight relatively easily. But every turn was a struggle (obviously). After a while each time when things got south, my muscle memory kicked in, and then it only got worse resulting in a crash eventually.
Obviously you cannot compare a (post) WW2 fighter, and a commercial jet, especially when one gets flown IRL and other in a arcadeish simulator. But I still admire these pilots, what they did is truly amazing.
can it be controlled just by the rudder?
Or maybe with turning off one engine?
This would be my go to troubleshooting
@@trollmcclure1884 not really, since the rudder is mostly used for small corrections only. I heard that some (airline) pilots don't use the rudder whatsoever in the air, only on the ground.
@@trollmcclure1884 As for turning off / decreasing thrust on one engine, that would obviously create asymmetric thrust. Which would indeed yaw a plane towards the side with less thrust, but also roll it on that side, so I think that doing that would be even harder to control.
@@mrcreepypl in some games I played the rudder turned the plane horizontally without rolling to the side. It seemed to me as the perfect solution in this case. It was rather a small plane tho. It has to do something when it turns the plane on the ground otherwise it wouldnt be there
These pilots are absolute heros. They deserve the highest of awards for their professionalism. Skill and integrity. BRAVO to these amazing pilots!!!
NO THEY DONT!!! - They failed in the most fundamental manner imaginable - Failing to do correct pre-flight checks! - All 3 of them failing....following 6 mths work on main flight controls by an independent company??? - Absolutely unbelievable............................
@@davidstuart4915 they were a substitute crew drafted in at the last minute and didn’t know anything about the length or nature of the maintenance works. The airline has been criticised for their acceptance procedures in the report and has since changed them.
@@tranquilitytranquility1407 substitute from outer Mongolia or whatever, they Will of course know all about the service work as it will be in the Log, which is of course is part of pre-flight!...I imagine they skipped that too.....
@@davidstuart4915 It is easy to critizise...
@@perwestermark8920 indeed it is --everybody missing The most basic pre-flight checks shouldnt be!
Probably one of the best aviation stories I’ve heard. What amazing skill the pilots have
What a testament to that aircraft for staying in one piece! Those are massive forces on the airframe
Yes, we must congratulate both
1) the crew
2) the manufacturer of the aircraft for the fact that it remained in one piece.
@@marcodeodorico7618 Those of us who designed and analyzed the Aft Fuselage for the E-190 will accept some appreciation, also....
RIght? This and the 747 (China Airlines flight 006) holding together when subjected to extreme G-forces impresses me greatly.
The airframe was written off.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 indeed....but it made it back onto the ground in one piece instead of catastrophically disassembling in mid air at mind bending g forces and speeds. Therefore praise worthy workmanship.
This is one of my favorite aviation tales ever. Not only was the flight crew amazing, but the Embraer is such the little plane that could!
I've been an aviation enthusiast for 30 yrs. This is probably one of the greatest feats of flying ever, if not the greatest of all time. Love from India 🇮🇳
Thats incredible they didnt die in the first 60 seconds
I was working, seeing this live on Flightradar24. I used to work in Lisbon and from my window in Povoa de Santa Iria, I could see the runway for Alverca AFB. I was nervous as hell, the relief when they managed to land in Beja!! The never quitted, amazing.
Can you tell me what help the two Air Force jets were supposed to provide? I didn’t understand that part.
@@ellicel Moral support lol
Joking but it's actually also true. But here is the real answer:
"An hour after calling Mayday, the pilot announced he had control of the plane and could maintain a set heading and altitude. By this point, they were accompanied by a pair of F-16 fighter jets scrambled by the Portuguese air force, which led the Embraer south toward the airport in Beja.
Even when your navigation systems are working, that kind of guidance is helpful because it gives you one less thing to worry about. “All of this takes a lot of mental bandwidth, and it’s nice to have a jet that you can just fly next to,” Pruchnicki (a former airline pilot who teaches aviation safety, human factors, accident investigation, and complex aircraft operation at Ohio State University’s Center for Aviation Studies) says.
“That way the burden is shifted onto them. It’s good crew resource management.” Remember that aviating-maintaining control of the plane-comes before navigating. (The fighter pilots can also take a look at the parts of the plane you can’t see and maybe figure out what’s wrong.)"
@@JcRabbit How interesting! Thank you so much for the thoroughness of your explanation!
@@ellicel pretty simple, if you listen to the ATC recording, the pilots were so confused and the aircraft in such a bad shape that they were always asking for their heading. The two F-16 actually guided them to Beja (which reads like Besha and not Berra), and at the third try they've managed to land.
@@grabedigger Yeah, Petter lives in Spain so was pronouncing all the Portuguese place names with Spanish pronunciation rules!
These pilots should be as famous as Sullenberger, in fact they pulled off a much much greater feat
The pilots performed an amazing feat but they wouldn't have been in that position if they had done their pre-flight checks properly. They missed at least two checks which should have told them something was far wrong. Sullenberger didn't take off in a aircraft that was broken and was trying to tell him it was broken.
@@davebarclay4429 Exactly, almost every party involved would have reason to not want that level of attention for this mishap. That said, the pilots obviously did an amazing job limiting the cost of the many initial mistakes.
@@davebarclay4429 oh yeah, well, I'm not a pilot and hadn't thought about that
But, still - their skill and resourcefulness saved them from their negligence. I assume many pilots might have fumbled and dropped that ball so to speak. They held on by a thread. I can only imagine the total physical and mental exhaustion they must've endured. I bet those pilots, crew, and passengers had the most ecstatic sleep of their lives that night. They must've been high on just being alive for days after all that. Imagine the first hot shower or bath after surviving that? Just standing there with the water running down your head feeling like you've just been literally born again. I broke my neck once and survived. I also survived the Marco Polo highrise fire in Honolulu. I know that feeling like being born again with a totally new life - I'm well acquainted
Well the culture is very american centric so brilliant actions of american pilots are much more promoted than brilliant actions of other nationalities do we wont see movies in hollywood about kazakh pilots :/
@@guraytanc9732 there's truth in that
Yesterday I went to a local county fair with my three younger siblings. We went on a spinny ride with little fake boats where you go around really fast in a circle and also up and down a bit, and after about 45 seconds I nearly lost my shit. The idea of being a passenger on this flight, let alone having to somehow maintain my faculties and continue trying to keep it in the air, is almost unthinkable to me. I'm so impressed by any human being who could get out of this alive.
I guess Captain was so full of adrenalin that he didn't even think about being incapacitated. I would not be suprised if after landing he passed out. Which he did not. What a man.
Afterwards he went to the local golf course and set a course record, banged a princess and dragged his brass balls home in the Ferrari she gave him but on the way home he saved a family from a house fire.
This is so amazing ... I flew my Cherokee for 34 years and always visually looked at operation of the ailerons during run-up (couldn't see the tail of course). And I know my annual inspection guys always did the same. So easy to just LOOK!?!?!
Thanks for this comment, I was trying to visualize how to spell the word aileron!
Sanctimony is not appreciated here Jack.
This is insane that the crew managed to land at all. It reminds me of a L1011 crew that landed with controlling the engines only as everything else was not functioning.
Btw, your simulated F-16s are in fact F-18s...
United Flight 232 was a DC-10 that also had to fly using only differential engine thrust when the #2 engine shed parts and shredded the hydraulic systems.
That was insane. I would've kissed the ground after going through that and surviving.
I would kiss the pilots
more like vomit the ground
i would have just laid down on the runway as soon as i got out
These Pilots should get an award for pilot of the Year man they're freaking awesome
they have got an award in UK and KAZ.
I love how these videos give the technical side without all the drama that a TV show would. This is very, very high quality production and information. Definitly one of the best channels on UA-cam!
Completely insane. Killer crew indeed. Never gave up and saved the day.
Yes, they hadn't picked the problem up in pre-flight check, but made up for it by sciencing the living crap out of this
until they could land. Also didn't lose patience at the multiple difficult landing attempts.
The crew clearly fell victim to expectation bias and I imagine 99% of flight crews wouldn't have picked up on the issue either, I know I certainly wouldn't have. It is a very difficult fault to detect, as it looks almost the same on the flight control position indicator as it does when everything is working correctly, just that a couple of small green rectangles are moving the wrong way. I think the flight control position indicator should use color coding, for example, the surfaces appear green when configured for a bank to the right, and red when configured for a bank to the left, so a mix of red and green flight control surfaces means there is an obvious problem
@@aarondynamics1311 Yes, indeed.
@@DMAX-tp4pc Have you even considered the fact that you know exactly what went wrong having had it clearly explained to you whereas these pilots had no clue why this was happening? Even with such a catastrophic loss of control they still managed to land it so they deserve credit
@@DMAX-tp4pc if you are not a pilot, you should stop telling what could have been done. Sit in your car and try to drive along the highway when the car goes left if you turn the wheel right, and stopping is not an option . I wonder how far you get.
@@DMAX-tp4pc You didn't even understand why minimal control worked in this case... You don't need to tell us you're not a pilot, that much was obvious
"never stopped troubleshooting" seems a lot like the movies where they're holding a grenade "how long can you hold it? for the rest of my life". Ever reason to try, nothing to lose.
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With that kind of intense sustained adrenaline, everyone must’ve been EXHAUSTED once they were safely on the ground. Poor folks. Glad they had exceptional pilots to keep them safe!
Indeed!!
the absolute peak of humanity was found in three of these pilots. absolutely heroic and amazing job to survive and get this done.
I hope after everyone had finished throwing up into their sick bags the pilots recieved the biggest round of applause because that's some damn impressive flying skills those pilots demonstrated on this flight.
There was no applause because the 3 passengers were the people who were responsible for destroying the airliner. Applauding would be like shaking hands with someone when they tried to kill you.
Oh my God, my heart was jumping out of my chest. I am so glad they managed to land safely!
Every video, It's incredible to see just how many holes in the "Swiss cheese" have been gone through.
Fortunately, the last layer of cheese didn't have a hole in it
@@cockatoo010 Yes.
Thank God it's becoming harder and harder to thread those holes. That's the beauty of the NTSB and other aircraft investigators is they're able to use these instance to learn and improve to hopefully have similar incidents never happen again. It makes me feel safer when I fly.
ha ha, very astute comment!
@@FrostySumo Yes, indeed, at least the "tombstone policy" works. It´s result of a tremendous performance of the flight crew and the sturdiness of the airframe that everybody survived here, but we should learn from this, too.
This is the first time I have heard of this incident, so I was watching along with a huge load of anxiety. I am so happy it ended happily!
So glad to hear that this story ends with a safe landing
I cannot imagine the stress they had to deal with while spiraling in the air for an hour straight. Absolutely wild that they kept it up that entire time and managed to troubleshoot while doing so.
I personally know a third pilot, really decent guy, very humble - never told about how tough it was and how professional (Heroic I'd say) they did it.
He probably hates to be reminded of the flight
@@richcarrCCC absolutely. I'm sure if I were him I'd done anything possible to pretend it never happened. That's no the memories I'd like to revisit very often.
After the crews initial mistake , how they managed to land the aircraft is stuff of legends, amazing outcome in the end.
Indeed.
Yes.
What mistake?
@@johndododoe1411 , watch the video carefully & try to understand.
@@airbus350800 I asked which of their actions YOU call an "initial mistake".
WoW! That is piece of art absolutely awesome video! Best aviation channel as for me...
Thanks man! Glad you liked it!
If this was on purpose, controlled, and nobody got hurt or killed, it would be fun for a few minutes. You'd think we would've heard about this one!
This is a great video!! I've worked EMB 170's, 175's and 190's. This is by far my most favorite plane I have ever worked on as an A&P!! They are tanks, but I can't believe this one held together! Great work by the pilots! I have changed countless aileron cables on these birds and I can tell you, just like any other maintenance task, you need to triple check yourself as well as having a RII inspector sign off on the work you did! I understand how they can get crossed as you are pulling the new ones through. They have so much slack in them, that they sag, and If you aren't paying attention, you an run the opposite cable to the bellcrank. But If you would run the ailerons after like the maintenance manual tells you, they would have seen the ailerons moving in the opposite direction!
The cables were notorious for wearing out where the fairleads would guide them along the rear of the wing. Dirt and debris collected in these areas and acted as an abrasive and basically ground the cables down to just strands holding it together! Up until They enacted the SB to fix the issue, instead of inspecting them, I just replaced every one, because they all had some wear in them, and if you see wear, you will find broken strands of cable in that area if you bent them. Great maintenance keeps everyone safe! Keep em flying like your own family is flying on them!!!
Incredible story. What an absolute nightmare for the pilots, but also amazing that they landed safely in the end.
I remember watching this on VAS Aviation's channel and I couldn't imagine the helplessness and hopelessness the crew had to have felt inwardly. I was also super impressed with the crew and their skill and outward composure when working with ATC. This was a great video from VAS and from Mentour
Thank you! I love working with Victor over at VASAviation, he does a great job!
@Jeremy; I agree, listening to the pilots at Vas adds a lot to the story.
@@MentourPilot Indeed, really.
Wow, so proud of my countrymen pilots) Not really surprised that the guys skipped the preparation part, but it’s crazy how they kept their composure and thirst for life.
Yeah and at the same time you understood how obsolete is Portugal.
@@quartfeira Well, at least they have a maintenance base, but the quality of maintenance is a different topic)
@@quartfeira Wow there with the generalisations, mate.
In this case the fault lies with Embraer's lack of standards for the servicing procedures.
@@peddersoldchap I understand your point, but it's not a generalization in this case. I'm just living here more than a decade now, and unfortunately made a lot of experiences that brought always at this sad aspect of this country (that I love). I can't blame no one than the politics for this. People are amazing
@@quartfeira I have a holiday home in the south of Portugal and I totally agree with you, the people are amazing (and the food).
Regarding the politics, Portugal has had the leftists ruling for the last 50 years, so yeah things could be better in that regard.