Holy cow, I can't even imagine the psychological rollercoaster that it must be to be the only person who survived a disaster specifically because you *weren't* following safety protocols
On May 12, 2010, Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771, originating from Johannesburg, crashed just before landing in Tripoli. 103 people were killed. 1 person survived the crash, 9 year old Ruben from the Netherlands. Ruben's parents, brother and sister also died in the crash 😢
@@kentgutzmer1977Which is ironic, since the tail section used to be where cigarette smokers could puff away in flight, giving the people who consciously put their lives at ever-increasing risk many times every day got the seats where they were most likely to survive a crash - but die in a fire.
I feel really bad for the first officer. That was an incident that turned into a disaster because of the captain's unprofessionalism. Thank you for the amazing content again, Petter and team!
When the captain wasn't listening, she should have called company HQ, described the situation, say that she refuses to fly with this man and demand a more competent replacement. They might fire her, but that would have been a good thing in this case. People are just way too timid.
As a pilot, an instructor, and an evaluator, this makes my blood boil. The indifference of the captain, his obvious entitlement, his lack of professionalism… Some people should not be allowed to call themselves pilots.
@@davidandrews8963 First off all, we need to get rid of people who write in all caps. Do they believe they are more important than everybody else, because they figured out, how to write bigger letters?
A pilot job in Algeria is mostly reserved to the sons of the elite ,,, means only if your daddy is a rich guy , military , minister family …. Yup … well it’s mostly the case in Arab countries with no exception at all … so yea they are all entitled 🤡🤡🤡
A long time ago, riding jump-seat in a 727-100 approaching Deadhorse, Alaska, I made an off-hand comment about the scenery. The captain said two words: "Sterile cockpit." Though I was not in the flight crew, his concern was that my simple one-sentence statement could begin a distraction, and he was right. I was on board as a riding mechanic, had no place in the cockpit communication chain at that point, and should have kept my mouth shut. I knew this. . .was ever more thoughtful after that. I appreciated his reprimand and manner amd grew my respect for his professionalism grew a lot that day.
Good on you for recognizing this, owning it, respecting it, appreciating it, and ESPECIALLY taking this one moment as an opportunity to learn from and apply later. I wish the world was filled with people like you, lol. I recognize these amazing qualities because I also have them. Those who can take criticism, actually appreciate it, and apply it are the most mature and intelligent people who want to be the best they can be. And then there are other people, who scream at McDonald workers when their order is wrong. Someone tells them that not only is this uncalled for, that no one deserves to be treated like that (especially over a cheeseburger) but that it is also detrimental to them. They are only making themselves angry over something so insignificant. Those people continue the same behavior over and over again, and aren't even capable of the insight you have, let alone comprehending and changing their behavior. ❤
_Of course_ the guy who hasn't been paying attention, isn't prepared, and doesn't understand what's going on takes control away from the only person doing their job.
@@animula6908FO would have performed better had the captain been doing his job from the beginning. She asked for gear up amongst other things but it wasn't done. So when the engine failed, she assumed gear was retracted.
@@Scream250what kinda logic is that?? Pilot didn't make that serious mistakes...he could have handled that easily....it was that female officer who ruined everything..... Its disgusting how everybody is taking her side just because she was a woman...
My cousin died in this plane crash, the only thing I remember is when the military brought him home in a coffin with Algerian flag on it cuz he was a young military ( His first family visit leave ) Maybe he rest in peace. Thanks for the video and all these details.
@@genkestrel7254 Thank you 🙏 I showed the video to his dad and I translated every word to Kabyle ( Our native language ). He finally got an idea of what happened to his son after all these years.
@@smaouh oh my, that's so sad. But it was good of you to share what happened in this level of detail with his father. Perhaps it was the right time to tell his father
@@genkestrel7254 To be honest I hesitated at first, I know that all this will bring him bad memories but at some point I had to clarify some dark spots cuz here in Algeria they don’t share informations and the official report back then was a mechanical failure and no more details. With this video we really lived the final moments of his life.
@@smaouh I acknowledge your hesitation man, I really do! I can imagine that I would feel very troubled too feeling/learning that there was a cover up. The whole truth is essential. Going through the process of sharing what happened to your cousin with your uncle sounds like something very difficult for you both. I hope that even in a small way he feels a little less heaviness in his heart
I spent 42 years as a professional pilot, 24 years as a US Navy pilot, and 18 years as an airline pilot, trust me this guy is a professional and really does a great job explaining things to people with no experience or knowledge how to fly these very complex planes. You can believe what he says.
I've been a pilot for 70+ years. Started flying professionally when I was 10 and joined the SAS when i was 18 as a pilot for 30 years then flew commercially for 30 more years and as a private pilot for the last 10 and i agree with you he does explain things well.
I spent my whole life as a professional pilot since i was born in the cockpit of a Sabena atr 72 during takeoff at Goteborg international. As my mother who was 1st officer at that time was incapacitated i had to take control since the captain was in the bathroom after a Mexican lunch. So I flew atr 72 during 16 years , 12 years in bombers gliders, 9 years as a drone operator for the France Armée de l’air and 3 years as a stewardess for Emirates after heavy surgery. Trust me You can believe what Mentour says. You can also believe me
Her name was Fatima Yusfi. She was an excellent pilot according to her colleagues and her records. Above all the technical issues and the lack of professionalism on the captain's part there was also an obvious misogyny problem. Mrs Yusfi wasn't the first femme pilot in Algeria but was amongst the first at Air algerie. The company now counts 7.5% of female pilots with a great number of captains and I want to believe that this terrible accident would have definitely had a major impact on the relation and acceptance of women in the cockpit. May all the victims rest in peace and be remembered for ever. Thanks for these excellent video.
One thing you didn’t discuss was the ‘power gradient’ in the cockpit. It is unfortunate that the FO ever agreed to start engines and leave the gate after such a shabby preflight performance by the captain, but I suspect that the operational culture of the airline was such that she feared losing her job if she canceled the flight because the captain was not prepared to fly and was blatantly and repeatedly disregarding SOP. One would hope that a FO in this situation could say, “Hey, let’s pause a minute Captain, because we really don’t seem to be on the same page here and I’d like us to be working as a team. Can we talk about this for a minute please?” or something like that, but I’m pretty sure that, in these circumstances, even that sort of diplomatic pushback from a female FO toward a male captain just wasn’t possible. Ego and hubris have killed a lot of people in airplanes.
So this is a well-documented phenomena that has veritably led to some horrific aviation catastrophes. Since then… you’ll find that airlines and aviation authorities have updated their best practices to encourage any unsafe conditions be made known, and either addressed & remediated, or current stage of flight reevaluated entirely. This goes for both the CPT. and FO.
We lost in this disaster a whole family of a beloved friend and his parents Now its 20 years left Thanks for this amazing work you did to show us what the country will never dare to show
It is very difficult to get a culture that maintains certain defiant attitudes and traditions to face up to their own shortcomings and failures. Yet we MUST always learn about our past failures in order to make progress. I recently watched a UA-cam episode on another channel discussing how Japan has resisted incorporating an honest account of WWII history into their educational curriculum, as Germany has done (for example). It was shocking to read many personal anecdotes in the Comments section confirming that many Japanese grow up with NO KNOWLEDGE about what caused the war, Japan's role in it, the genocides and brutality committed in occupied countries. And I'm not naive about this.... There are many aspects of American history that are not generally taught in school, and NOW reactionary right wing activists want to purge discussions of racism and other topics they find uncomfortable from our public schools. (I live in Texas.... #2 to Florida in authoritarian right-wing manipulation of educational curriculum.) I know it can be very difficult.... but I hope you are able to find ways to help spread the light of truth.
"We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training." I'm not a pilot but it's a pretty damn good way to approach anything.
Yes. Your only defense is unforced automatic rote mental and muscle memory in recognizing and responding to emergencies. If you have to think about it, you’re already behind.
As someone who flew a heck of a lot during a 40 yr career and still flys a lot, I can honestly say Air Algerie in the 1990s was the only airline that made me fear for my safety. I now realize I’m so lucky to be here today.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 to each his own, I lived in Malaysia and Indonesia and never felt unsafe on Malaysian (granted before the ML 373 disaster). As for Indonesia’s Garuda, never scared me like Air Algerie, but diarrhea within Indonesia was known as ‘the Garudas’, so that tells you that flying them did come with some risk ….
@@BoominGame in the oil biz we hired mostly Berbers -they are a minority of Algerians but far more dependable. But hey let’s get down to brass tacks as we say in English - you French couldn’t field a decent fútbol team with players with French surnames - and as a Real Madrid fan, Zidane is God. So Algeria has given you some valuable assets dude.
@@Perejil1319 Maybe you should know that I am Italian, and like any good Italian I am always in for a good bashing of French "football", as they only win (a) Cup if Chirac buys it for them, or qualify if Henry can put a good hand. Although I must stress how pointless both your achievements are (even put together) compared to what Italy has bestowed the world in terms of spectacle (for better or worst). But to the point, being married to a French, (that doesn't realise they had an Empire for only half an hour or so - but that's why they are cute), I am a lot in Paris, and I can be wrong, but in 40 years, I have nothing too good to say about Maghreb's immigrants mentality, in general. And I tried, they are just not to be trusted, at any level. Strong with the weak and weak with the poor, they think and act like thieves, violent, ignorant... You may have good ones, but they must be hiding or stayed in Maghreb.
The captain not participating in the pre flight checks and just goof of with the personel, is a massive red flag! Him allowing his friend on the flightdeck, chatting away rather than participating in the take off... Simply unforgivable!
I agree. I think this captain would have needed a hard lesson about this and the way to proceed with that would have been the FO to say "your controls" after they received the takeoff clearance but the plane was still standing still. There's no way the captain could have taken the flight at that point and they would had have to taxi off the runway to discuss about why things got that far without proper preparations for the flight. Unfortunately, this didn't happen and over a hundred people got killed.
@@gumby2241 The facts have been known for 20 years, bud. It was investigated, with a conclusion reached. Anyone who wants to know about this accident has the ability to know because it's all out in the open. Have you heard of this fancy new invention called the internet?
Yeah...Love it how we all just suppose to gloss over the fact that there was a woman FO in a muslim country. So....no wonder she was disregarded by the captain. And calling out this "cultural quirk" is of course, hateful. We are not allowed to do that. So we don't address it at all...Ever.
@@LeonardLeon Well the issue is absolutely cultural, but the cultural issue isn't islam, it's being traditional and conservative. Go talk to a evangelical christian, or an ultra orthodox jew, fundamentalist hindi, whatever, and you'll get the exact same attitudes. All religions are the same in that the BS they spew is extremely self contradictory and open to interpretation. You can pick and choose and reinterpret any holy book to say whatever you want it to. Most Western countries that happen to be christian dominated just happen to have developed progressively for a couple centuries (let's be real, mostly by exporting the worst parts of their economies to developing countries, and repressing their development), which leads to less disgusting interpretations of their specific holy books.
I used to compare YT channels to the "professional" stuff that Discovery and History Channel would put out. Frankly, the standard of the industry is now being set by channels like this one. The research, content, and graphics are superior to most other commercially produced shows with huge budgets. Very well done sir! We certainly appreciate what you do.
I am unable to watch Discovery or History Channel etc because the music, sound effects and dumbing down along with repetitive script and over the top “news” voice are so inane. Give me “amateur” production where the creator is mindful of the intelligence and interest of their audience over advertisers any day. Yes, many get stuff wrong but I’ve learned so much from high quality commenters who correct, educate and explain things. YT is a great resource - we are lucky.
Yup cable networks stuff is now for kids and gamers and channel surfers it seems. After every commercial break we need a 2 minute "recap" for all the new arrivals. ugh. @@jenmdawg
My father was a steward on BOAC in the 1940s and during regular flights to Sweden, part of his job was to take supplies of alcohol to the pilots. How times have changed!
@@leax7061You watch movie or series from 70s/80s and you often wonder did they pour a drink everywhere … driving, flying, operating … who cares … going through old movie mags late 90s … men drinking ads … men smoking ads … men adventure ads … men tech ads … and plenty of the legendary Camel Trophy …
102 people didn't have to go through what he did, imagine what damage getting ejected from an aircraft going 140kph would do to you I doubt be ever walked again lol
LUCKY? Lucky is when you hear "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to your destination. The time is X, the temperature is Y and please remain seated until the aircraft arrives at the terminal.
I'm shocked that the recommendations didn't include a serious condemnation of Air Algeria working culture. This blatant lack of protocol doesn't ever happen in an environment where it's not accepted. We all know that. This is why some airlines are just not worth the risk of flying with.
Not much doubt that the macho attitude of the captain, made worse by Muslim culture, was at the root of this incident. It probably also accounts for Air Algeria not being criticised in this regard.
@@Rogsie-p6l Perhaps. There's a missing piece of the puzzle however, we don't know the content of the conversation between the captain and the purser. Before blaming muslim culture on an obvious breaking of protocols I would like to know if it was just a casual conversation or something more intense as either adversarial or solving company or personal issues. Breaking the sterile cockpit rule and botching the pre-fight check list happens in every culture, you combine that with an engine failure and you can have pretty bad day.
@@dh88kIt doesn't matter what they were discussing, nor whether they were Muslim. What does matter is that they didn't follow procedures regarding CRM, sterile cockpit, checklists, and switching controls.
I feel so horribly for the first officer, she was doing her absolute best and was ignored constantly, just not listened to. What a shocker the unprofessionalism by the captain would lead to a horrible incident The sole survivor however is absolutely crazy, if he’d put on his seatbelt he likely wouldn’t have survived
LOL people here still defending the woman FO for being submissive because of big meany captain. TIME TO STAND UP AND ASSERT YOURSELF OR YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE COCKPIT! Instead she just sat their timidly and let them crash? bEcAuSe SeXiSm. Freaking simps! She was a fail too. Oh boo hoo I feel sorry for the first officer that could have saved the day but she didn't even reach for the damn landing gear lever?!?!?! NOT DOING HER ABSOLUTE BEST! I'm not even a pilot and I would've reached for that damned landing gear lever!
Imho, she should have refused to continue the take-off without sterile cockpit. The SOPs should be something that protects the junior pilot's career in a case like this
I am a retired ATP from flying a metro liner and an A&P & and a flight engineer on the 727. I did not have UA-cam back in the day to learn so much. Your videos now are amazing an pilots are lucky to find you and the knowledge of dissecting all of the types of emergencies you can be faced with. Love this channel and thanks for all you do!
stop your bragging, why not tell the world what car you drive as well, how many rooms in your house, eye colour. No need to brag about what you did just to make a comment
The very fact that the captain was late and didn't do anything to help with the pre-flight raised an immediate red flag. The sheer ignorance of the captain and the disregard for any SOP or safety protocols is astounding
I wonder if he had a habit of this type of behavior and underlings were afraid to speak up. I honestly doubt this is the first time he pulled a stunt like this.
@@MentourPilot as a software engineer I am quite confused, however, why the airports around the world don't invest into more modern digital systems. For example digitally available weather reports rather than a frequency the pilots have to listen to.
@@ForcefighterX2the answer is quite simple, money edit, just realised this could be easily misinterpreted so I'm gonna elaborate. modern systems can be really expensive to install, let alone run and maintain, so its often just not financially feasible to install them in smaller airports like the one from this incident
@@qhu3878 yes and if you install them and don’t have the follow-up systems and management people then rely on them and they are probably less reliable than an old school system which may seem more primitive but more reliable. If you don’t do all its required to manage the upkeep of all the processes involved of the automated or electronic systems
@@ForcefighterX2 Air Algerie & Tassili Airlines are the only Airlines serving this airport. Tamanrasset, the town it serves has a polulation of about 92.500 and since it's pretty much smack dab in the middle of the Sahara, there isn't a lot else around. I don't think this place is big enough to justify such expendature.
I'm not a pilot, at all, but even I was squirming in my seat as you put it. The problems were pretty obvious from the get go. I feel sad for the 1st Officer, I think she had the best chance of saving the plane as at least her mind was 100% on the job. To use language that is lacking in any grace, the Captain was a twat.
The captain was too busy talking to the purser. Why? Because the Arabic race hold women in low regard and they enjoy homosexual relationships even if they are married men with a wife or several wives back at home.Let in not be forgotten that quite a lot of men who work in the glamorous side of the hospitality industry are gay, such as the purser may have been.Nothing wrong with that, but nothing must interfere with the professional execution of your duties on land,sea or in the air. Let the poor little female co-pilot do all the hard work and when something goes wrong, despite the fact she was in competent control of a very dangerous situation Captain Abdul Testosterone suddenly wakes up from his gay wank dream and smashes an aeroplane and everyone aboard into the ground.
Had the captain become incapacitated at the moment of the incident or left with the purser to the galley during takeoff - there would probably be no fatalities, not even injuries. There were countless single-engine failures in the past, overwhelming majority ended with no fatalities. That's one of the instances, where having only 1 pilot is better, than having the other pilot like him. First officer was doing a good job and then he went full panic-mode, interrupted her and messed up.
FO should’ve refused to fly. They were operating on thin margins and the captain wasn’t even paying attention. Might as well be flying with someone who’s drunk, nobody should have to put up with that
I am a former Turkish flight attendant that performed Air Algerie flights between 2008-2010. I guess the pilot in command probably was a sexist man and feeling guilty inside to be late for flight. His ego took the plane down. I was a flghy attendant in Istanbul and my company had a wet lease agreement with Air Algerie. in 3 years nearly in every 2 months we had 2 weeks layovers in Algeria. One of my Algerian colleagues had told me this accident and that he lost his beloved female colleage and that female hostess was all burned and black :(( He had told me this story during a ferry flight of Air Algerie aircraft back in 2009, 6 years later this horrific disaster. May them RIP except that pilot in command.
Dunno about sexism, but panic was probably the biggest factor here. The idea that in an emergency, he should be the one flying the plane was all that was on his brain. Now, it is fairly common for control to be handed to the captain in emergencies. This usually occurs AFTER the immediate phase has been adressed though and the situation has become more stable and in that situation it makes sense for the more experienced aviator to take the controls while the F/O consults the manuals and handles the radio, while also keeping an eye on all the auxiliary instrumentation. The captain's knee-jerk decision to seize controls here didn't make much sense and he let his instincts, rather than his experience do the talking. They had a malfunctioning engine and low air speed. His decision to just pull up harder would of course, inevitable put it into a stall. Notable too, in spite of what the F/O said, the FDR would show she had not, in fact, let go of the yoke. In that respect, it's pretty clear that panic took over both pilots when the engine trouble started. The captain reacted poorly and made the poor decision of "if the plane isn't gaining altitude, I just need to pull on the yoke harder" which inevitably put it into a stall and the F/O meanwhile pretty much froze. It's tragic when a situation that is perfectly recoverable turns into a deadly tragedy because the nerves of the pilots just failed them.
@@redshirt49It's not just him taking the controls though, he paid no attention to the briefing and only chose to pay attention to the purser while ignoring the first officer
I 100% see the sexism going on here, not respecting the only woman doing her job, not showing up for preparation letting her on her own, cutting her off while she is speaking, and then not trusting she can get the job done. Quite a good ullustration of daily sexism actually.
this is a perfect example of when to *not* simply defer to authority at work if that authority figure is behaving in a way you know is unsafe/unprofessional.
@@MentourPilot 100%, I've failed to speak up a few times throughout my career, particularly at the start, when I saw superiors breaking rules/ ignoring protocol that we have in place for very good reasons. It felt daunting & I only work in hospitality, so I can't imagine how much more difficult that's got to be in a cockpit under so much stress! Now that I'm starting to manage a team, both the good & bad examples of CRM from your videos have actually been quite helpful for me, even though it's a different industry.
especially in the air because you dont know how they will react if you try to takeover. there have been so many accidents from pilots having a domineering personality. the general aviation King Air Crash in Addison was caused by this. it had a CVR and the pilot told his right seat pilot dont touch his controls and the right seat pilot actually recgonized that the throttles had crept back but did nothing and they stalled and spun into the hangar at the end of the runway killing them and the passengers.
@@Darkvirgo88xx21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@Logicalsane There's a criminal difference between making mistakes due to unclear circumstances AND coming late, ignoring protocol, talking during sterile phase and then ignoring callouts. Yes, she made mistakes, but the captain was sabotaging the flight intentionally. His bravado and recklessness just costed their lives. But hey, I'm just being sexist, right?
@@giulia6344yes and no , the anger not getting on losing money in the process then finding out it crashed they will feel like winners forever, the people who stopped them flying will feel shame for eternity
Another major overlooked factor could be that of the cultural barrier which would probably hinder a more aged male captain from taking his junior female first officer seriously. The fact that he took back all controls could be a confirmation of this barrier.
The real cause: An entitled male from a culture that undermines and demeans women in positions pf power couldn't handle having to treat a woman as an equal and a teammate. His ignorance kills himself and all but one of his passengers. misogyny, ego and religous superstition DESTROY common sense 😒
Man, as soon as Menotur Pilot pointed out the first officer was a woman, taking into account this was Algeria, I instantly guessed what the whole thing was going to be about... Very sad
@@MentourPilot Was on an Aer Lingus flight some years ago from Heathrow to Dublin. The pilot flew an approach from before Wicklow all the way to Portmarnock before turning in for an excellent landing. Just stunningly beautiful. As I left the aircraft the cockpit door was open and the captain was a lady. Anyway I thanked her very much for such a beautiful approach and landing. She said "no problem sir, I did that especially for you". Great pilot, great sense of humour, great flight.
Oh yeah! I agree 100% since the flying crews are all about communication and cooperation. Without someone else to help you, while also being completely aware of what was happening, you're pretty much screwed like the First Officer found out, the hard way.
The captain was a disrespectful, arrogant, the purser knew better, neither was doing their job. But the passengers & 3 remaining cabin crew deserved better than to have their lives in the hands of these 2 macho jerks. You weren't exaggerating when you said, "No excuse." As always, well analyzed & well presented.
The irony is that if the steward had been in the passenger cabin doing his job rather than distracting the pilots from doing theirs there'd likely have been sufficient cabin crew to do the seat belt check properly increasing the fatality rate to 100%.
@sargentoazul: I was in an Istanbul carpet shop near the Blue Mosque. While watching the woman at the loom, the owner said they always weave in an imperfection because only God is perfect. He was proud that his past customers often took years of scanning their carpets to find the subtle flaw, such as a thread looped differently from the rest in a row.
@@oahuhawaii2141 I've heard this before from a religious craftsman and didn't mention what I'm about to now out of respect. Assuming you're able to produce something perfect and leaving an imperfection on purpose might be a bit arrogant in and on itself. No disrespect meant, just a personal thought on those ethics. In a way I kind of like the silly ways we act to confirm our own beliefs.
@@oahuhawaii2141the product with the intended imperfection then becomes exactly what it was intended not to be. The product is perfect with an intended imperfection
Before you consider that the way to survive an accident is to not fasten your seatbelt, consider that the ONLY people killed in the Asiana 214 accident (777 SFO) were the ones that had not fastened their seatbelts and ended up ejected from the airplane - one being run over by a fire truck. Fasten your Seat Belts!
Yes, it's really no different from being in a car. Occasionally not fastening their seat belt has saved a life in a car accident, but it's much more common for seat belts to save lives than to be a reason someone dies. So it's better to always have your seat belt fastened.
@@clintonwilcox4690 Friends of mine, at the beginning of a relationship, were involved in an accident slow speed but sufficient to hurl them through the windscreen with the front seats squashed under the car roof. They attributed not wearing a seat belt (then a new requirement) to saving them. But not something that will always happen as they were not travelling at great speed. Their relationship became long-term & gave rise to two great kids.
@@f.stewart286 Your comment completely misses the point of the entire conversation. Wearing a seat belt is safer than not wearing a seat belt. I was involved in a car crash that could have been fatal for all involved had we not been wearing seat belts. Being hurled through glass is a dangerous endeavor no matter what the cause. It was probably a minor miracle that your friends weren't killed. And their relationship may have become long-term even without the accident. Plenty of relationships do.
I'm Algerian and i had no idea about this catastrophe 😢 it was so unfortunate. Thank you for taking time to explain , efforts appreciated... Love and peace from Algeria 🇩🇿❤
Based on my own experiences including my own foibles, things rarely happen in isolation. I have no doubt that the captain had acted this way many times before. As with the First Officer, she appears to be a stickler for following verified best practices and check lists, for very good reasons. She deserved better. Cheers from Canada
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
You have taught us well Petter! As soon as you said “the purser stayed in the cockpit talking with the captain” we were all cringing and shaking our head, saying No! No! No!
Without fail, the most disturbing aviation accidents are those where a lack of respect on one crew member's part towards their colleagues leads to tragedies like this. I have a feeling the FO had faced extensive sexism in her career, but either way, this lack of respect by the captain led to this tragedy. Surprised the investigation didn't do a comprehensive look at the culture of the company, because things like this are usually not one-offs. If someone is allowed to behave this way, they've likely been unchecked for a while.
I wrote my comment before reading this. While totally agree on the subject, I believe that you're too cautious. It is not about the culture of the company. It is about the culture of the society.
Being from Algeria and remembering the incident vividly, the general reaction of the people around me was all about "That's what happen when you let women fly planes". So sad to see she did everything right and still had mysoginistic views follow her posthumously
Thanks Petter, what a sad, totally avoidable accident. As a 30k hour (retired) Boeing captain, I’m appalled at the behaviour of the captain literally from long before they ever shut the doors.
SInce you are a pilot maybe you can tell me the reason why the female pilot had to ask for captain's permission to retract the landing gear. Why hasn't she just done it? Heck, she had already given him the command earlier and received no response, so at this point wasn't it common sense to just lift up the gear lever herself? This one simple action just might have recovered the plane from a stall and possibly saved it.
@@ArthurWojtowiczGood question. She needed to immediately initiate the engine failure on takeoff procedure, which all pilots should have memorized: reduce the pitch angle to maintain V2 (takeoff safety speed), raise the landing gear, increase thrust on the remaining engine, and use the rudder to counter the yaw. *Nothing* of all this was done by her, so the captain was forced to take over the control five seconds after the engine failure. But she didn't let go the yoke pulling up as she was not even in control of herself - she freaked out. That is the answer to your question. She was impaired, incapacitated by her fear, by her panic.
@@c.s.4273 Thank you for writing this. Anyone ought to have been able to read the glaring in-between-the-lines, on this story. Something went wrong, she freaked out, and the commanding officer was forced to try to save them. "What's going on?!?!" ("Jesus, take the wheel") The captain is saying "take your hands off the yoke" so that he can try to save their lives, and she is saying, in her craze (and for the microphones' sake), "I did, I already did". Who knows whether she was pulling back on the controls? Mentour Pilot? Or, the man sitting next to her, looking at her hands on his controls, and trying to save 100 souls?
25:10 I was one of your first 100 subscribers on your 2nd channel! How you describe tragic events like these, in a simple to understand manner, is thoughtful. Thank you kind sir. Dios te bendiga.
It will boil anybody blood who is watching this video . Because i have never seen such a careless captain like this who was his in his own lala land at critical phase of flight . Thank you captain for bringing this . Even though without seat belt that guy was saved . Seat belt should be wore while in flight
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
As a female engineer, I’ve got so much sympathy for the FO (not to mention the passengers ofc). The whole attitude is classic “you’re good enough to do the job, but we’re not going to give you the respect of your male colleagues” which I think most women in a male dominated industry have experienced. Which leads to me to wonder, with better understanding of innate bias that can lead to situations like this unintentionally, is addressing these part of commercial pilot training? I know CRM is a thing but from my layman perspective that seems to mostly address issues with a captains ego vs a FO and “power structure” issues that might arise. Does CRM training tackle personal bias an individual may hold toward others? Great video as always!
Doesn’t matter which gender is making a better pilot, if there is one behaving like the other is not even worth to be professionally recognized, then that a..hole is not fit for the job. I‘m working in a technical area, where female are also rare, but if they reach that space, they are typically some if the best. And if you can’t live with this situation as a man, there are plenty of job where you are safe from „female exposure“. Try handling waste bins.
The First Officer was the only one of that crew actually trying to DO anything - and had already been doing everything since the plane waiting on the tarmac to the takeoff. And you just *know* that if this flight had come down in one piece and all survived, the captain would have immediately blamed the FO, probably adding in 'female hysterics'. Poor woman. My heart breaks for her and all the passengers who died 😥😥 THe captain and the purser also did not deserve to die, but they REALLY let everyone down with such shoddy and arrogant attitudes to, oh, Idk - THEIR JOBS??!!
As a 737 intructor, all of that make me think about company safety culture, quality of training, and captain´s training records and professional attitude for fliyng.
Back in the day as a private pilot, I set in numerous commercial jet jump seats for departure and climb out However, in every case as the crew were starting to prepare the cockpit, the captain always turned around and said : at this point, unless you were to spot something immediately hazardous, which you need to alert us to straightaway, you must now be 100% quiet until we’re in the cruise.
Ok I have a question, if there is a captain or any other flight personnel that's dosen't show to thier Briefings, how do airlines handle that? Delay the flight? Repermands? Replacement before the flight? Cancel flight? Because in my opinion, im not a plot but I am a truck driver. We have many thing that we do similar to airlines. We do act as our own frist and captain. We do our per trips. We route plan, figure out fuel need distance. And in our driving we must monitor our vehicles. Somthing happens we must frist get the vehicle under control then safety stop or diagnose the problem. We also have to safety protect the motoring public. Driver who don't do this have accidents and can lose their jobs. If I was this frist officer I probably would have delayed the flight and made an inquiry to my company because of the neglect of the captain. They are a team and must be on the same page.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
@@shiftygirl6434 It has something to do it for LogicalSane, as he seems to hate women and is fond of blaming the FO for this whole incident. Which is why his opinion should be laughed at and discarded
One aspect about the sterile cockpit concept that I really like is that it implied times when it isn't sterile, acknowledging that pilots are human and want to have casual conversations, but also making it clear when they have to put such conversations off until later. Unfortunately this captain and Purser didn't fulfil their part of that bargain.
Pilots can have casual conversations, but not during take-off and landing, the two most crucial time periods. Take-off lasts 2 minutes. Casual conversations can wait for 2 minutes. This captain simply didn't care about safety.
I'm guessing cultural dynamics were at play. Arabic culture is... let's just say it... misogynistic. And this created a very bad communication dynamic. Similar to the age dynamic in Korean culture which caused a huge plane crash, which afterwards Delta made their Korean pilots only speak English at work.
In Spanish we have an expression. "Me pica el puño" (my fist is itching). We use this when we hear someone being an absolutely terrible person. I'm an usually calm person. But hearing about this Captain and Purser, my fist has been itching
In approximately 25,000 hrs of flying, I have had the amazing good fortune of never having experienced a full engine failure, and only a few inflight shutdowns. Of course every six months I have the opportunity to experience this exact scenario in the simulator, as do all pilots. Still, in the back of my mind I always wonder: "how well will I perform when this happens in real life?" I think about it often. The only way to make sure you don't end up like this guy is to always be prepared. It's obvious from the lead-up that this captain had lost his passion for his job and his interest in professionalism, and was just trying to get through another boring day at work. Flying for a living can be tedious. The real effort is in not allowing that to erode your sense of duty, which is what clearly had happened to this pilot.
I think it's clear the pilot had mentally only prepared for a successful takeoff and had no consideration that there might be a problem, mentally completely unprepared to deal with anything - all the more remarkable for a near MTOW takeoff in the desert....
You know it's going to happen during the simulator so you can mentally prepare (even if they try to trick you and not saying you which simulator session would have it, you know it is a very real possibility). But on a properly maintained aircraft, it is rare enough that you can do your whole career without facing the problem, so preparing for the real deal is always much harder. Everyone wants to be Sully in this situation, but the truth is we never know before it actually happens.
1. AVIATE = fly the wing. I don’t understand holding the pitch through decaying speed and stick shaker. Even if I’m now a glider the last thing I want to do is stall and depart.
I just wanted to say that you are very inspiring to me. It’s amazing how you are working as a pilot and instructor and still find time to meticulously research, organize, write the script, record, and put together such high quality, entertaining, and educational videos for us to enjoy. It truly is inspiring to me as I’m sure it is for many others and we are grateful for all that you do for us. I’ll steal your favorite compliment and tell you that your Absolutely Fantastic! Keep up the incredible work! Don’t forget to get some rest and have some fun from time to time… I hope your holiday went great! Your certainly deserve it.
In fairness, UA-cam channels of this size (and especially quality!) has a whole team behind them. But yeah, Petter is indeed inspiring. To me, it's moreso his ability to teach us complex subjects. As someone who works in a technical field and often has to instruct others, that stuff is _hard._
@@lenneth118821:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Good day, mentour pilot. I just want to say a big thank you for these well researched stories that are told with unparalleled thoroughness and finesse. I am a West African and although the airline industry is but a fledgling business, there are many accidents and incidents which have not been properly explained as you do on this channel, I would love to hear and watch you talk about them so that we also in our subregion and other subregions of Africa can learn from them. Thank you very much.
@@MentourPilot I often enjoy reading people‘s comments, almost as much as your top-quality well researched videos. Obviously, a huge number of us appreciate the massive effort and commitment you put into them, especially ,as a number of people comment , with your busy life is a line pilot ,training, captain and busy husband and father. Thanks heaps.🎉😊❤
@@NgoziEbenezer21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
I am Algerian, i was nine year old when the accident happened, i remember seeing it in the national news, since then this the best narration i came across for this crash ....it is sad to see that unprofessional attitude of the captain was the majors reasons of this....my Allah have mercy on all of victimes
may Allah hold them in his heart forever. Everything happens for a reason, lets just not ignore his message. Remain Vigilant in your job and be kind to one another. For we do not know Allahs plans for us and we should never try to interpret them. For he is all, love and anger. Without these accidents, he would have no way to teach us our lessons. Allahu akbar, god is great my brothers and sisters. Thank you for being you. You are deeply appreciated.
2nd espresso in hand, on the couch in my office, UA-cam on the TV on the wall opposite me, as the late November sunrise warms up Northern California just after this video’s launch…from one pilot to another, THANK YOU Petter for your work as a pilot and UA-camr!
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
One of the hardest things for pilots to learn is to realise that being in control does not necessarily mean being on the controls. This is why most airlines insist pilots take it in turn to fly and to monitor, it is also where training and simulators are so useful.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Being resilient is so important for a First Officer. Calling a halt to the operation and spelling out the parameters for safe conduct is so hard to do, particularly if the CA is overbearing or fixated but has to be done. Specific training should be given to all crew members on when it is appropriate to intercede and how to deal with such a challenge. Basic CRM. Great video as always
Depends if that would save her. The safest action would be to cancel the flight citing the lack of professionalism of the Captain but with 2 versus one she a) may lose her job or b) be coerced into continuing regardless hence leading to not wishing to speak up. It's not right but I've seen enough work based bullying cultures that it's very easy for far less important sectors to have issues around openness and accountability.
Yeah as much as I enjoy his videos I wouldn't touch any of his sponsors with a ten foot pole. BetterHelp is notoriously shitty and Incogni is known to either do nothing or increase spam. NordVPN seems like an okay VPN, but there's definitely better out there and a VPN's usefulness to the average use is questionable at best.
Also people with no background or knowledge in a certain topic, in this case "data protection", should not be out there recommending products or companies they cant rightfully judge or deem trustworthy. i really appreciate this channel for the well researched avionic discussions and documentaries. and its not just mentour pilot, its all over youtube.
Thanks for covering this. I didn't know of this incident. My blood boiled, too. Utter dereliction of duty by both the captain and purser. Passengers, please always fasten your seatbelts, especially during landing and take off. The " luck" that favored this conscript may not favor you. Think of the young lady who was thrown during the Asiana crash at SFO.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Sad thing is you know this wasn't the first time the CPT had done something like this being this casual about letting the purser into the cockpit during takeoff. He's probably let others in there as well during landing as well and it probably went unreported for various different reasons. If you're part of the flight crew and you see things like this, I hope you report it before it turns into another avoidable accident.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
So the captain decided to take control of the airplane only to run it right into ground. Such an avoidable accident. I feel bad for the first officer. She was the only person prepared for that situation and the controls were literally taken away from her.
Yes! "Sterile cockpit" is the word I use in my line of work as an NDT technician, thanks to this channel. When operating X-ray equipment we need to concentrate in order not to irradiate each other.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
From my (layman) point of view, the accident **was not** caused by engine failure followed by failing on raising the gears. The accident was caused by pilot error. The engine failure was the initial trigger of the chain of events that lead to the loss of the flight, but from this point, everything else happened due failure of the pilots on handling the situation. I can only imagine what was going through F/O's head during this entire event.
There is never a single cause to an accident. It's always the Swiss Cheese model with multiple problems coming together in a catastrophic alignment. A pilot having a shock induced brain-freeze is just another part of the complex system. What only boils my blood is a pilot consciously and recklessly overriding an automated safety system that an engineer put there in case of a pilot error, but a narcisistic pilot refuses to acknowledge that he could be the one making an error and not the safety system.
@pfefferle74 except when the automated system itself misbehaves, as happened on 737 MAX. Narcissism is a problem on engineering too. It's the reason we need to have pilots trained on recognizing the need and overriding them. Problems start to happen when pilots are not trained adequately for such situations.
@lancevancedance4900 IMHO it's **THE** cause of the accident. From all the info the video gave us, we can assume with a more than reasonable degree of certainty that the situation was perfectly salvageable under the hands of an adequately trained crew.
You are way too kind to the "Captain" who showed incompetence in airmanship as well as a failure in character that rendered him unable to work with his female First Officer. Not only did he decide to wrestle control away from the First Officer, he also wouldn't have listened to her (he refused to listen to her attempts to brief him) if she had called out airspeeds or any other advice. His sheer incompetence from start to finish is breathtaking.
I’m Algerian and used to be cabin crew for airline for 5 years …. I have to say in Algeria we have no rules what so ever … I have friends who have no pilot license and never passed the tests … they are now captains. Even ground staff fake the weight of cargo and baggage. Just for money . It’s disaster .
Another great break down of this terrible accident, I read about this during my training and my instructor highlighted the importance of keeping a sterile cockpit and focusing on following the procedure without distraction. As you kept saying as the purser and pilot chatted ignoring the correct procedure, I felt my frustration rising.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
I've already seen every video on the channel so I'm very excited for this new one! The analysis is always so good and factual, while still considering the human loss. I really really appreciate the lack of unnecessary dramatics
@@originaljazzgirl21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Videos like this serve as a reminder that, no matter what your job or profession is, it is important to show up to work with the mindset of being a professional. Know what you’re doing, and do it like your life or your family’s life depend on it. So many of these videos highlight just what happens when people don’t take their job seriously.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
I noticed new graphics, music and the wide screen intro in this one! Love how the channel constantly experiments and improves. In terms of this tragedy, the quick but sadly inconsequential alert of the ATC was admirable. RIP to the perished.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
My favorite thing about your accident reviews, Petter, is that you select them only when there's a clear takeaway or lesson to learn from the event. It keeps them from feeling gratuitous or exploitative, in contrast to MANY other channels.
Seconded, it's a big appeal of this channel for me. I can't go back to watching the content that got me interested in aviation accidents in the first place now because the way it's presented makes me feel like I'm taking advantage of other people's suffering for my own entertainment. I'm interested in how system breakdowns happen, and Petter does a great job of still acknowledging the tragedy of the situation while still keeping the focus on what we can learn.
@@rewardilicious You do not have to be a pilot to find Petter's videos educational. I am a non-pilot geek, who has an interest in finding the core reason for mishaps, in order to (if possible) keep them from happening again. Or at least reduce the risk. I develop electronics for a living, some of it with safety-critical circuits that keep equipment operators from getting hurt. Believe it or not, but some of these videos have actually inspired me to improve the functionality of a circuit or a user interface, to reduce yet another hole in the Swiss cheese model. (Not really this video, because the main reason for the tragic outcome was organic. Can't fix "stupid".)
@@tikemyson5627 Naturally. You've misunderstood the point I was making - I was talking about the difference between getting that entertainment from the suffering of real people VS entertainment from learning how a disaster unfolds in the first place. The difference is in the focus and framing of the story.
I kinda suspected when the video went up. Very few of these videos follow the plot of "the airplane took off, experienced an uneventful flight, and landed safely at its destination".
But then, EVERY flight featured on this channel has something bad happen. He's hardly going to make an entire video about a flight that went without incident.🤣
I began to suspect unprofessional behavior on the part of the captain once I heard that he didn't show up right away and instead the first officer had to do all the preflight checks by herself. And it just kept getting worse from there.
The production value of your recent videos has been absolutely super, Peter! You really work hard to both inform and entertain and it shows! Well done as always 👏
@@ploot599521:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
watching this video with quite a few sighs of disbelief listening to the captain's actions or lack of actions prior to take off, at least the first officer was doing her best to maintain standard operating procedures
Well, she should have called out her co-worker. But this is difficult, especially if the work culture discourage this kind of high standard expectations.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
As a woman watching this, I wondered whether the pilot was affronted by having to work with a woman and set out to humiliate her. The most telling thing to me was having his buddy in the cockpit so that he would not be alone with her. Just my opinion.
I was having a somewhat similar thought. I wonder if having his buddy in the cockpit was part of the reason that he to such great length ignored the FO. Some sort of stupid macho-move. I have seen such crap myself, although not in planes, and not in safety-critical situations.
As a male, I've been ignored and not taken seriously by both male and female bosses/supervisors for years. Everyone experiences this. Ironically, if you think he's acting this was because she's female and he's male, it sounds like you're the one with sexist attitudes (i.e. you assume he's ignoring her because she's a girl and he's a big bad male...)
I'm afraid it's the elephant in the room. This is the kind of arrogant attitude women in Arab and Muslim societies have to endure. Of course this man was dismissive of her because she was female. Also there is a hierarchy of 'respect' which often leads to these men being almost as dismissive of other men they deem to be lower down the ranks than themselves. People are afraid to mention this in case someone thinks they're being racist. In fact, they're just being patronising by holding them to lower standards.
It's common for those with privilege to expect marginalized people to perform above expectations. This is a fact of in most societies and could have easily happened in the case of this video. BTW I'm male and I am educated enough to know that identifying potential sexist behavior is not a "sexist attitude".
When I first started my pilot training, and as a way to make an income, got hired as a ground crew member at a small Intl airport. The more I saw behind the scenes, the more I began to realize that being a pilot wasnt for me. Im simply too analytical and ocd to accept the misbehavior from other pilots, including captains, who did not seem to care much for procedural processes. No, I dont “babysit” others in how they get from A to B, but simply skipping safety steps etc would have been a big issue for me. So I likely wouldnt have agreed to continue a flight such as this with so many things incomplete. In the end I went into engineering, and have spent the past 11 years running our own business.
I love listening to your detailed explanations of different air situations. I gave anesthesia for 40 yrs, and felt like both had similarities. No room for mistakes, poor judgement and functional equipment a must for both. Keep up your videos!
It makes me so angry whenever someone just shows a total disregard for safety procedures like this captain here, and people have to pay for that with their lives. Sometimes accidents happen that are just really difficult to handle, and then there's accidents like this one that were completely avoidable and unnecessary. It's so sad.
I have watched other peoples videos with similar substance, but yours supersedes in quality and detail by far and is second to none. Thanks for the upload.
Stumbled upon this channel few months ago and I've been thoroughly impressed! As someone who previously had no particular interest in aviation, I find myself completely captivated by the detailed and insightful explanations of aviation disasters. The depth of analysis, clarity in presentation, and the effort to educate on prevention strategies is exceptional. The production quality of these videos is top-notch, making complex topics accessible and engaging. Your work in bridging the gap between aviation experts and casual viewers is commendable. Thanks for igniting a new interest in me and for the outstanding content
When you don't name the Captain we know it means they are at fault. The FO tried and it was such a shame for her. Great content as always. Rest in peace for all those on board
The conscript must thank his lucky stars daily. I wonder if he ever thinks, "man I should probably not go on any more planes after I cheated death. But I guess statistically he unlikely to ever be in another crash.@@MentourPilot
@@dmatechyes, he was indeed lucky to be alive, but I feel that "maybe I'll get violently thrown out of a crashing plane" isn't a good survival plan. He could have easily died from the injuries.
Generally I don't like posts about true catastrophies, but I 'm surprised by the highest quality presentation of events and balanced, factual commentary. Wonderful job!
The FO deserves a medal or something in her honor for trying to save the aircraft. She was attempting to do everything in her power to save the aircraft and the souls aboard. There was a similar incident when a crew member interrupted the pilots during their checklist. They were chatting and having a cigarette I believe there were survivors. In this one only 1 person survived and that’s just really sad. These incidents could have been avoided and prevented but egos are more important than lives. RIP to all the victims and survivor(s).
She is the one who caused the crash...that male pilot was actually going to save them.... It's disgusting how society side with women even when they are guilty
@@LogicalsaneI know what you mean. The entitlement is unbelievable. A highly qualified pilot does her job and doesn't crash a plane, and society still supports her over the man who didn't do his job and did crash the plane. It's just not right 🙄
The FO does Not deserve a medal, she failed her role as FO. She should have demanded purser in his Post, sterile cockpit and checklist. This would have been her duty. They both failed.
The purser in the cockpit is reminiscent of Northwest 255. In the newly released 10 minute long cockpit voice recording, you can hear the captain having a discussion with the purser at a completely inopportune moment.
@@MarinCipollina Of the 155 people on board. There was only 1 survivor, a passenger. There were other circumstances that brought the plane down though.
@@VeilingSun21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@Logicalsane Are you responding to the right person? I read your comment, then I read my comment, and I just don't see the connection at all. In fact, I think you picked the one comment thread that doesn't talk about gender lol.
Man, this one is frustrating. Complacency can be so dangerous to an airline pilot. Unfortunately, no one was ready to stand up & say something, which may have helped get the pilot out of his own way😞
I feel so sorry for first officers in crashes like this, it must be incredibly difficult to speak up. I do suspect that her being female may have culturally influenced her not to speak up and also may have related to the Captain's unprofessionalism. Lack of an emergency briefing is unbelievable. The unprofessionalism of the captain and purser is incredible. Edit - All the more so given that this was a near MTOW takeoff in a hot/high environmnent.... clearly the capain had no expectation of anything other than a routine takeoff. It really suggests that both Air Algerie and Algeria's regulator need looking at, Korean Airlines had similar problems but were able to fix them. I find it hard to believe that with a captain and the purser both involved in such poor practices that they were the only "bad apples" in airline. I remember that in Pakistan there were some pilots flying in their airlines who were not qualified pilots and I have to consider that it's possilbe here. Terrible airmanship - the aircraft crashed entirely due to the pilot in command's incompetence.
Nonsense white knight. Defending the woman FO for being submissive because of big meany captain. TIME TO STAND UP AND ASSERT YOURSELF OR YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE COCKPIT! Instead she just sat their timidly and let them crash? bEcAuSe SeXiSm. Freaking simps! She was a fail too.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@Logicalsane that's a disgrace. The respective mistakes of the two pilots are not even in the same universe in terms of magnitude and culpability. To turn a story about the fatal consequences of a deeply rooted culture of sexism and misogyny (because make no mistake, cultures in general was a lot like that and Algerian culture is still deeply patriarchal) into your pet peeve about discrimination against men is unbelievable. It seems that your basic perception is twisted by ideology so you see things that aren't there (discrimination against men) and not see things that are actually there (unforgivable incompetence, breathtaking arrogance, and deadly sexism). This pilot being the kind of man that is so utterly unprepared and incompetent yet so supremely confident that he will always do better than those women. Please reconsider your obsession with ideology and recognize sexism, despite it's abuse by some people, is still a valid and essential concept to understand injustices like this one.
One of the reasons your channel is so popular is that you are very eloquent & you talk & describe every important point not as a boring documentary but you provide entertaining but knowledgable, accurate & important whilst educating people like me who are not a Pilot. I love your videos but the more videos i watch of yours the more i admire just how complicated & intelligent a person must be to qualify to become a Pilot. As a novice Aviation fan i thank you for these videos. I always wanted to be a Pilot but just didn't have the grades to become one. I always thought i would never, ever be able to afford the training but in my late thirtys i learned that the Australian Air Force trained Commercial Pilots for free. If i had known that in my teens i definitely would have gone back & definitely do the training necessary to get into Aviation/Flight school. Now, of course, the is no free Pilot training anymore. That is one big regret in my life. Keep these great videos coming please.
My goodness... The quality of your video has tremendously improves. The graphics, the music, toppled on with your story telling is amazing. Thank you so much Peter.. ❤
I’m confident this is no surprise but you’re an excellent story teller. This is something we need more of in the world of constant mindless entertainment and “look at me” influencers. Thank you…!
On May 12, 2010, Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771, originating from Johannesburg, crashed just before landing in Tripoli. 103 people were killed. 1 person survived the crash, 9 year old Ruben from the Netherlands. Ruben's parents, brother and sister also died in the crash 😢
@MentourPilot. From the start of this, the swiss cheese model keeps building and building, the amount of holes, gaps, and missteps made that lead to the accident is mind-boggling.
25:11 that segue! Anyway, this tragedy offers an excellent lesson for anybody in any field. Take a moment to prepare before your shift, to identify possible problems, to notice where exits are, and who is working today. Not only will you work more efficiently, because you will be better informed, but if a crisis happens, your situational awareness will be much higher, not least because you will be more comfortable and not trying to catch up.
If the captain had survived he would have no doubt blamed the "incompetence" of the first officer and painted himself as the hero who tried valiantly to save the aircraft.
And he wouldn't be wrong, it's the first officer that overfueled the plane that directly led to the destruction. The captain not showing up for hand-off had zero impact on the plane crash
@@DragonZombie2000 The final report was published with the following: "The accident was caused by the loss of an engine during a critical phase of flight, the non-retraction of the landing gear after the engine failure, and the captain, the PNF, taking over control of the airplane before having clearly identified the problem. The following factors probably contributed to the accident: - the perfunctory flight preparation, which meant that the crew were not equipped to face the situation that occurred at a critical moment of the flight; - the coincidence between the moment the failure occurred and the request to retract the landing gear; - the speed of the event that left the crew little time to recover the situation; maintaining an inappropriate rate of climb, taking into account the failure of one engine; - the absence of any teamwork after the engine failure, which led to a failure to detect and correct parameters related to the conduct of the flight (speed, rate of climb, configuration, etc.); - the takeoff weight being close to the maximum with a high aerodrome altitude and high temperature; - the rocky environment around the aerodrome, unsuitable for an emergency landing. - BEA" None of these items listed mention overfueling, the weight contributed but not in a "she shouldn't have allowed this" way but more in a "with other things going wrong, this made it worse". You're literally conjuring up bs to bend over backwards to blame the woman even though the captain is the only person named and blamed in the report. Stop making your fragile male ego her problem
Love the wide aspect ratio opening I can see how your style is really developing and maturing as you continue to do this Always looking forward to the next one
@@MentourPilot I remember the cinema screen mechanically being made wider for super wide-screen 2001: A Space Odyssey by Stanley Kubrick. Circa 1970. 😎👍
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Yo mentour, can you do fedex flight 80?
Can you do 1996 Delhi airport disaster
Me. 👍🏽
I do it just to mark what i have watched
Me!!!
Holy cow, I can't even imagine the psychological rollercoaster that it must be to be the only person who survived a disaster specifically because you *weren't* following safety protocols
Final destination vibe
On May 12, 2010, Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771, originating from Johannesburg, crashed just before landing in Tripoli. 103 people were killed. 1 person survived the crash, 9 year old Ruben from the Netherlands. Ruben's parents, brother and sister also died in the crash 😢
Often, passengers sitting in the tail section live to tell the tail.
@@kentgutzmer1977Which is ironic, since the tail section used to be where cigarette smokers could puff away in flight, giving the people who consciously put their lives at ever-increasing risk many times every day got the seats where they were most likely to survive a crash - but die in a fire.
@@kentgutzmer1977”tale”
I feel really bad for the first officer. That was an incident that turned into a disaster because of the captain's unprofessionalism. Thank you for the amazing content again, Petter and team!
It sounded like she was doing everything she knew was correct, even catching mistakes. She was very professional and deserved better.
Yes, it's infuriating
I suspect sexism, as well as anti-proffesionalism.
@@lairdcummings9092I had the same thought…
When the captain wasn't listening, she should have called company HQ, described the situation, say that she refuses to fly with this man and demand a more competent replacement. They might fire her, but that would have been a good thing in this case. People are just way too timid.
As a pilot, an instructor, and an evaluator, this makes my blood boil. The indifference of the captain, his obvious entitlement, his lack of professionalism… Some people should not be allowed to call themselves pilots.
As an algerian, i can confirm that most of our people in important jobs have these qualities.
It should be clear that some people shouldn't be anything. This guy, politicians, rich people other entitled pricks. Too many of us on this planet.
@@davidandrews8963 First off all, we need to get rid of people who write in all caps. Do they believe they are more important than everybody else, because they figured out, how to write bigger letters?
@@farnez2296 They get too big for their boots.
A pilot job in Algeria is mostly reserved to the sons of the elite ,,, means only if your daddy is a rich guy , military , minister family …. Yup … well it’s mostly the case in Arab countries with no exception at all … so yea they are all entitled 🤡🤡🤡
A long time ago, riding jump-seat in a 727-100 approaching Deadhorse, Alaska, I made an off-hand comment about the scenery. The captain said two words: "Sterile cockpit." Though I was not in the flight crew, his concern was that my simple one-sentence statement could begin a distraction, and he was right. I was on board as a riding mechanic, had no place in the cockpit communication chain at that point, and should have kept my mouth shut. I knew this. . .was ever more thoughtful after that. I appreciated his reprimand and manner amd grew my respect for his professionalism grew a lot that day.
They were a tad dramatic lol
Good on you for recognizing this, owning it, respecting it, appreciating it, and ESPECIALLY taking this one moment as an opportunity to learn from and apply later. I wish the world was filled with people like you, lol. I recognize these amazing qualities because I also have them. Those who can take criticism, actually appreciate it, and apply it are the most mature and intelligent people who want to be the best they can be.
And then there are other people, who scream at McDonald workers when their order is wrong. Someone tells them that not only is this uncalled for, that no one deserves to be treated like that (especially over a cheeseburger) but that it is also detrimental to them. They are only making themselves angry over something so insignificant. Those people continue the same behavior over and over again, and aren't even capable of the insight you have, let alone comprehending and changing their behavior. ❤
@@jessicalynn6285 k
@@jessicalynn6285 It's called lower quintile. Those people make the world miserable for the rest of us.
A part of me would have been tempted to reply "Sterile? Look at those windows, full of smears, I doubt anyone's cleaned this cockpit in months".
_Of course_ the guy who hasn't been paying attention, isn't prepared, and doesn't understand what's going on takes control away from the only person doing their job.
She was not making good choices herself, that contributed. This is one of those crews that make me glad I drive most places.
@@animula6908FO would have performed better had the captain been doing his job from the beginning. She asked for gear up amongst other things but it wasn't done. So when the engine failed, she assumed gear was retracted.
Sounds like most management…
@@Scream250what kinda logic is that?? Pilot didn't make that serious mistakes...he could have handled that easily....it was that female officer who ruined everything..... Its disgusting how everybody is taking her side just because she was a woman...
@@Logicalsane He obviously didnt handle it "easily".. they crashed???
My cousin died in this plane crash, the only thing I remember is when the military brought him home in a coffin with Algerian flag on it cuz he was a young military ( His first family visit leave ) Maybe he rest in peace. Thanks for the video and all these details.
May he rest in peace. Sorry to hear about the loss of your cousin. I'm pleased this video is helpful for you
@@genkestrel7254 Thank you 🙏 I showed the video to his dad and I translated every word to Kabyle ( Our native language ). He finally got an idea of what happened to his son after all these years.
@@smaouh oh my, that's so sad. But it was good of you to share what happened in this level of detail with his father. Perhaps it was the right time to tell his father
@@genkestrel7254 To be honest I hesitated at first, I know that all this will bring him bad memories but at some point I had to clarify some dark spots cuz here in Algeria they don’t share informations and the official report back then was a mechanical failure and no more details. With this video we really lived the final moments of his life.
@@smaouh I acknowledge your hesitation man, I really do! I can imagine that I would feel very troubled too feeling/learning that there was a cover up. The whole truth is essential. Going through the process of sharing what happened to your cousin with your uncle sounds like something very difficult for you both. I hope that even in a small way he feels a little less heaviness in his heart
I spent 42 years as a professional pilot, 24 years as a US Navy pilot, and 18 years as an airline pilot, trust me this guy is a professional and really does a great job explaining things to people with no experience or knowledge how to fly these very complex planes. You can believe what he says.
Thanks 🫡
I've been a pilot for 70+ years. Started flying professionally when I was 10 and joined the SAS when i was 18 as a pilot for 30 years then flew commercially for 30 more years and as a private pilot for the last 10 and i agree with you he does explain things well.
@@locks69Bullshit!
I spent my whole life as a professional pilot since i was born in the cockpit of a Sabena atr 72 during takeoff at Goteborg international. As my mother who was 1st officer at that time was incapacitated i had to take control since the captain was in the bathroom after a Mexican lunch.
So I flew atr 72 during 16 years , 12 years in bombers gliders, 9 years as a drone operator for the France Armée de l’air and 3 years as a stewardess for Emirates after heavy surgery.
Trust me You can believe what Mentour says.
You can also believe me
not only for common viewer, but for a professional pilot Mentour's videos are of a huge help to become a better professional
Her name was Fatima Yusfi. She was an excellent pilot according to her colleagues and her records. Above all the technical issues and the lack of professionalism on the captain's part there was also an obvious misogyny problem. Mrs Yusfi wasn't the first femme pilot in Algeria but was amongst the first at Air algerie. The company now counts 7.5% of female pilots with a great number of captains and I want to believe that this terrible accident would have definitely had a major impact on the relation and acceptance of women in the cockpit. May all the victims rest in peace and be remembered for ever.
Thanks for these excellent video.
Anyone saying "femme" is a redflag
@@WOWWOW-hk1tbYou’re such a loser
@@WOWWOW-hk1tb femme means woman in french, which is widely used in algeria, why don't you use your brain to put two and two together
FYI alert: manhating sexist comment by a femi Nazi attacking a male without ZERO proof provided.
@@WOWWOW-hk1tb Anyone who believes that saying "'femme' is a redflag" is a red flag
One thing you didn’t discuss was the ‘power gradient’ in the cockpit. It is unfortunate that the FO ever agreed to start engines and leave the gate after such a shabby preflight performance by the captain, but I suspect that the operational culture of the airline was such that she feared losing her job if she canceled the flight because the captain was not prepared to fly and was blatantly and repeatedly disregarding SOP. One would hope that a FO in this situation could say, “Hey, let’s pause a minute Captain, because we really don’t seem to be on the same page here and I’d like us to be working as a team. Can we talk about this for a minute please?” or something like that, but I’m pretty sure that, in these circumstances, even that sort of diplomatic pushback from a female FO toward a male captain just wasn’t possible. Ego and hubris have killed a lot of people in airplanes.
Indeed - and probably it played a huge role that the First Officer was a "she" and not a "he". Unfortunately.
So this is a well-documented phenomena that has veritably led to some horrific aviation catastrophes. Since then… you’ll find that airlines and aviation authorities have updated their best practices to encourage any unsafe conditions be made known, and either addressed & remediated, or current stage of flight reevaluated entirely. This goes for both the CPT. and FO.
@Flyingdoctor60 Very well put. The captains attitude was unprofessional to say the least. The FO should have insisted on a debrief at the very least.
Ego, hubris and, in this case I believe, also sexism.
Bingo on the disrespect by the "Captain".
We lost in this disaster a whole family of a beloved friend and his parents
Now its 20 years left
Thanks for this amazing work you did to show us what the country will never dare to show
It is very difficult to get a culture that maintains certain defiant attitudes and traditions to face up to their own shortcomings and failures. Yet we MUST always learn about our past failures in order to make progress.
I recently watched a UA-cam episode on another channel discussing how Japan has resisted incorporating an honest account of WWII history into their educational curriculum, as Germany has done (for example). It was shocking to read many personal anecdotes in the Comments section confirming that many Japanese grow up with NO KNOWLEDGE about what caused the war, Japan's role in it, the genocides and brutality committed in occupied countries.
And I'm not naive about this.... There are many aspects of American history that are not generally taught in school, and NOW reactionary right wing activists want to purge discussions of racism and other topics they find uncomfortable from our public schools. (I live in Texas.... #2 to Florida in authoritarian right-wing manipulation of educational curriculum.)
I know it can be very difficult.... but I hope you are able to find ways to help spread the light of truth.
I´m wishing the very best to you and to your family! It was such a senseless and avoidable disaster!
Sorry for your loss
My condolences sir. Pride and stupidity are horrible things for the world. I hope your loved ones are in heaven now.
I am so sorry for your loss, my thoughts are with you
"We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training."
I'm not a pilot but it's a pretty damn good way to approach anything.
❤
Yes. Your only defense is unforced automatic rote mental and muscle memory in recognizing and responding to emergencies.
If you have to think about it, you’re already behind.
Especially when you might only have tens of seconds at best before crashing, and maybe only a handful of seconds to actually do anything about it.
This is true with everything you do under any level of pressure
As someone who flew a heck of a lot during a 40 yr career and still flys a lot, I can honestly say Air Algerie in the 1990s was the only airline that made me fear for my safety. I now realize I’m so lucky to be here today.
Malaysian and east african airlines seems like absolute no goes these days. The crew have some guts constantly flying on those planes everyday
@@Ukraineaissance2014 to each his own, I lived in Malaysia and Indonesia and never felt unsafe on Malaysian (granted before the ML 373 disaster). As for Indonesia’s Garuda, never scared me like Air Algerie, but diarrhea within Indonesia was known as ‘the Garudas’, so that tells you that flying them did come with some risk ….
I don't know in Algeria, but in France, I would not trust Algerians to change a car wheel.
@@BoominGame in the oil biz we hired mostly Berbers -they are a minority of Algerians but far more dependable. But hey let’s get down to brass tacks as we say in English - you French couldn’t field a decent fútbol team with players with French surnames - and as a Real Madrid fan, Zidane is God. So Algeria has given you some valuable assets dude.
@@Perejil1319 Maybe you should know that I am Italian, and like any good Italian I am always in for a good bashing of French "football", as they only win (a) Cup if Chirac buys it for them, or qualify if Henry can put a good hand.
Although I must stress how pointless both your achievements are (even put together) compared to what Italy has bestowed the world in terms of spectacle (for better or worst).
But to the point, being married to a French, (that doesn't realise they had an Empire for only half an hour or so - but that's why they are cute), I am a lot in Paris, and I can be wrong, but in 40 years, I have nothing too good to say about Maghreb's immigrants mentality, in general. And I tried, they are just not to be trusted, at any level. Strong with the weak and weak with the poor, they think and act like thieves, violent, ignorant...
You may have good ones, but they must be hiding or stayed in Maghreb.
The captain not participating in the pre flight checks and just goof of with the personel, is a massive red flag! Him allowing his friend on the flightdeck, chatting away rather than participating in the take off... Simply unforgivable!
I agree. I think this captain would have needed a hard lesson about this and the way to proceed with that would have been the FO to say "your controls" after they received the takeoff clearance but the plane was still standing still. There's no way the captain could have taken the flight at that point and they would had have to taxi off the runway to discuss about why things got that far without proper preparations for the flight.
Unfortunately, this didn't happen and over a hundred people got killed.
Yes, exactly.
@@MikkoRantalainen Most likely the pilot would have just punched it and tried to take of anyway. Why would he suddenly start caring about protocol?
I call bullshit on this whole video. Exactly how does he know all of these 'facts'? It's easy to blame someone who is dead.
@@gumby2241 The facts have been known for 20 years, bud. It was investigated, with a conclusion reached. Anyone who wants to know about this accident has the ability to know because it's all out in the open. Have you heard of this fancy new invention called the internet?
The amount of indifference by the captain is horrifying. He knows damn good and well what should have happened. RIP...
Sounds like he was more concerned with his ego.
@@DustWolphy What da fuq was so fascinating with the purser anyway? Such a callous disregard for everyone's safety. Truly horrifying.
Yeah...Love it how we all just suppose to gloss over the fact that there was a woman FO in a muslim country. So....no wonder she was disregarded by the captain.
And calling out this "cultural quirk" is of course, hateful. We are not allowed to do that. So we don't address it at all...Ever.
@@DustWolphy He was indifferent from before the flight to the crisis... which he knew nothing about.
@@LeonardLeon Well the issue is absolutely cultural, but the cultural issue isn't islam, it's being traditional and conservative.
Go talk to a evangelical christian, or an ultra orthodox jew, fundamentalist hindi, whatever, and you'll get the exact same attitudes.
All religions are the same in that the BS they spew is extremely self contradictory and open to interpretation. You can pick and choose and reinterpret any holy book to say whatever you want it to. Most Western countries that happen to be christian dominated just happen to have developed progressively for a couple centuries (let's be real, mostly by exporting the worst parts of their economies to developing countries, and repressing their development), which leads to less disgusting interpretations of their specific holy books.
I used to compare YT channels to the "professional" stuff that Discovery and History Channel would put out. Frankly, the standard of the industry is now being set by channels like this one. The research, content, and graphics are superior to most other commercially produced shows with huge budgets. Very well done sir! We certainly appreciate what you do.
Doubtful
@@SMGJohn_Secondary what are you responding to?
I am unable to watch Discovery or History Channel etc because the music, sound effects and dumbing down along with repetitive script and over the top “news” voice are so inane.
Give me “amateur” production where the creator is mindful of the intelligence and interest of their audience over advertisers any day.
Yes, many get stuff wrong but I’ve learned so much from high quality commenters who correct, educate and explain things.
YT is a great resource - we are lucky.
Yup cable networks stuff is now for kids and gamers and channel surfers it seems. After every commercial break we need a 2 minute "recap" for all the new arrivals. ugh. @@jenmdawg
I think Mentour uses Flight Sim 2020, or at least it looks like he does.
My father was a steward on BOAC in the 1940s and during regular flights to Sweden, part of his job was to take supplies of alcohol to the pilots. How times have changed!
You would probably need a drink with how unreliable the planes were back then. And your chances of survival if something went wrong.
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In the 40s 😮?
@@leax7061You watch movie or series from 70s/80s and you often wonder did they pour a drink everywhere … driving, flying, operating … who cares … going through old movie mags late 90s … men drinking ads … men smoking ads … men adventure ads … men tech ads … and plenty of the legendary Camel Trophy …
Back then there were 3 or 4 people in the cockpit, far more than two engines and the airplanes flew at much lower speeds
Who would have guessed, not paying attention to the safety briefing and not fastening his seatbelt ended up saving his life. What a lucky chap!!
I´m telling you, safety belts kill more people than they save :)
It is better to be lucky than good.
@@flagmichaelWhat prevails, luck or statistics?
102 people didn't have to go through what he did, imagine what damage getting ejected from an aircraft going 140kph would do to you I doubt be ever walked again lol
LUCKY? Lucky is when you hear "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to your destination. The time is X, the temperature is Y and please remain seated until the aircraft arrives at the terminal.
I'm shocked that the recommendations didn't include a serious condemnation of Air Algeria working culture. This blatant lack of protocol doesn't ever happen in an environment where it's not accepted. We all know that. This is why some airlines are just not worth the risk of flying with.
Yes, indeed.
Not much doubt that the macho attitude of the captain, made worse by Muslim culture, was at the root of this incident. It probably also accounts for Air Algeria not being criticised in this regard.
@@Rogsie-p6l Perhaps. There's a missing piece of the puzzle however, we don't know the content of the conversation between the captain and the purser. Before blaming muslim culture on an obvious breaking of protocols I would like to know if it was just a casual conversation or something more intense as either adversarial or solving company or personal issues. Breaking the sterile cockpit rule and botching the pre-fight check list happens in every culture, you combine that with an engine failure and you can have pretty bad day.
@@dh88k What personal issues are worth discussing when safety of 100 people is in question?
@@dh88kIt doesn't matter what they were discussing, nor whether they were Muslim.
What does matter is that they didn't follow procedures regarding CRM, sterile cockpit, checklists, and switching controls.
I feel so horribly for the first officer, she was doing her absolute best and was ignored constantly, just not listened to. What a shocker the unprofessionalism by the captain would lead to a horrible incident
The sole survivor however is absolutely crazy, if he’d put on his seatbelt he likely wouldn’t have survived
LOL people here still defending the woman FO for being submissive because of big meany captain. TIME TO STAND UP AND ASSERT YOURSELF OR YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE COCKPIT! Instead she just sat their timidly and let them crash? bEcAuSe SeXiSm. Freaking simps! She was a fail too. Oh boo hoo I feel sorry for the first officer that could have saved the day but she didn't even reach for the damn landing gear lever?!?!?! NOT DOING HER ABSOLUTE BEST! I'm not even a pilot and I would've reached for that damned landing gear lever!
and no one mention the elefant in the room
Imho, she should have refused to continue the take-off without sterile cockpit. The SOPs should be something that protects the junior pilot's career in a case like this
@@manicka111 Office politics usually wins out over SOPs.
@@FNLNFNLNyes depending on the airline, a junior crew member - particularly a woman could have a tough time
I am a retired ATP from flying a metro liner and an A&P & and a flight engineer on the 727. I did not have UA-cam back in the day to learn so much. Your videos now are amazing an pilots are lucky to find you and the knowledge of dissecting all of the types of emergencies you can be faced with. Love this channel and thanks for all you do!
stop your bragging, why not tell the world what car you drive as well, how many rooms in your house, eye colour. No need to brag about what you did just to make a comment
@@AwesomeAngryBiker Just trying to connect. Never mind you are not my kind. How rude.
The very fact that the captain was late and didn't do anything to help with the pre-flight raised an immediate red flag. The sheer ignorance of the captain and the disregard for any SOP or safety protocols is astounding
I wonder if he had a habit of this type of behavior and underlings were afraid to speak up. I honestly doubt this is the first time he pulled a stunt like this.
It amazes me how many things pilots need to take into consideration before each flight, the amount of knowledge they
must maintain is incredible!
There is quite a few things to keep track off, yes. But that’s why we have so many procedures to help us.
@@MentourPilot as a software engineer I am quite confused, however, why the airports around the world don't invest into more modern digital systems. For example digitally available weather reports rather than a frequency the pilots have to listen to.
@@ForcefighterX2the answer is quite simple, money
edit, just realised this could be easily misinterpreted so I'm gonna elaborate. modern systems can be really expensive to install, let alone run and maintain, so its often just not financially feasible to install them in smaller airports like the one from this incident
@@qhu3878 yes and if you install them and don’t have the follow-up systems and management people then rely on them and they are probably less reliable than an old school system which may seem more primitive but more reliable. If you don’t do all its required to manage the upkeep of all the processes involved of the automated or electronic systems
@@ForcefighterX2 Air Algerie & Tassili Airlines are the only Airlines serving this airport. Tamanrasset, the town it serves has a polulation of about 92.500 and since it's pretty much smack dab in the middle of the Sahara, there isn't a lot else around. I don't think this place is big enough to justify such expendature.
I'm not a pilot, at all, but even I was squirming in my seat as you put it. The problems were pretty obvious from the get go. I feel sad for the 1st Officer, I think she had the best chance of saving the plane as at least her mind was 100% on the job. To use language that is lacking in any grace, the Captain was a twat.
The captain was also lacking in any grace so the language is appropriate.
The captain was too busy talking to the purser. Why? Because the Arabic race hold women in low regard and they enjoy homosexual relationships even if they are married men with a wife or several wives back at home.Let in not be forgotten that quite a lot of men who work in the glamorous side of the hospitality industry are gay, such as the purser may have been.Nothing wrong with that, but nothing must interfere with the professional execution of your duties on land,sea or in the air. Let the poor little female co-pilot do all the hard work and when something goes wrong, despite the fact she was in competent control of a very dangerous situation Captain Abdul Testosterone suddenly wakes up from his gay wank dream and smashes an aeroplane and everyone aboard into the ground.
Had the captain become incapacitated at the moment of the incident or left with the purser to the galley during takeoff - there would probably be no fatalities, not even injuries. There were countless single-engine failures in the past, overwhelming majority ended with no fatalities.
That's one of the instances, where having only 1 pilot is better, than having the other pilot like him.
First officer was doing a good job and then he went full panic-mode, interrupted her and messed up.
@@player400_official Indeed, exactly.
FO should’ve refused to fly. They were operating on thin margins and the captain wasn’t even paying attention. Might as well be flying with someone who’s drunk, nobody should have to put up with that
I am a former Turkish flight attendant that performed Air Algerie flights between 2008-2010. I guess the pilot in command probably was a sexist man and feeling guilty inside to be late for flight. His ego took the plane down. I was a flghy attendant in Istanbul and my company had a wet lease agreement with Air Algerie. in 3 years nearly in every 2 months we had 2 weeks layovers in Algeria. One of my Algerian colleagues had told me this accident and that he lost his beloved female colleage and that female hostess was all burned and black :(( He had told me this story during a ferry flight of Air Algerie aircraft back in 2009, 6 years later this horrific disaster. May them RIP except that pilot in command.
Dunno about sexism, but panic was probably the biggest factor here. The idea that in an emergency, he should be the one flying the plane was all that was on his brain. Now, it is fairly common for control to be handed to the captain in emergencies. This usually occurs AFTER the immediate phase has been adressed though and the situation has become more stable and in that situation it makes sense for the more experienced aviator to take the controls while the F/O consults the manuals and handles the radio, while also keeping an eye on all the auxiliary instrumentation.
The captain's knee-jerk decision to seize controls here didn't make much sense and he let his instincts, rather than his experience do the talking. They had a malfunctioning engine and low air speed. His decision to just pull up harder would of course, inevitable put it into a stall.
Notable too, in spite of what the F/O said, the FDR would show she had not, in fact, let go of the yoke.
In that respect, it's pretty clear that panic took over both pilots when the engine trouble started. The captain reacted poorly and made the poor decision of "if the plane isn't gaining altitude, I just need to pull on the yoke harder" which inevitably put it into a stall and the F/O meanwhile pretty much froze.
It's tragic when a situation that is perfectly recoverable turns into a deadly tragedy because the nerves of the pilots just failed them.
I agree!
@@redshirt49It's not just him taking the controls though, he paid no attention to the briefing and only chose to pay attention to the purser while ignoring the first officer
Don’t believe everything you hear.
I 100% see the sexism going on here, not respecting the only woman doing her job, not showing up for preparation letting her on her own, cutting her off while she is speaking, and then not trusting she can get the job done. Quite a good ullustration of daily sexism actually.
this is a perfect example of when to *not* simply defer to authority at work if that authority figure is behaving in a way you know is unsafe/unprofessional.
Yep, but it’s a very hard thing to do sometimes.
@@MentourPilot 100%, I've failed to speak up a few times throughout my career, particularly at the start, when I saw superiors breaking rules/ ignoring protocol that we have in place for very good reasons. It felt daunting & I only work in hospitality, so I can't imagine how much more difficult that's got to be in a cockpit under so much stress! Now that I'm starting to manage a team, both the good & bad examples of CRM from your videos have actually been quite helpful for me, even though it's a different industry.
especially in the air because you dont know how they will react if you try to takeover. there have been so many accidents from pilots having a domineering personality. the general aviation King Air Crash in Addison was caused by this. it had a CVR and the pilot told his right seat pilot dont touch his controls and the right seat pilot actually recgonized that the throttles had crept back but did nothing and they stalled and spun into the hangar at the end of the runway killing them and the passengers.
Like wearing your seatbelt?
@@Darkvirgo88xx21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Man I can never fathom how quickly these things happen. 14:12 pm authorized to line up and 14:15 pm for the dont sink is crazy
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Lol dream on buddy. It was the captain fault. @@Logicalsane
@@Logicalsane There's a criminal difference between making mistakes due to unclear circumstances AND coming late, ignoring protocol, talking during sterile phase and then ignoring callouts.
Yes, she made mistakes, but the captain was sabotaging the flight intentionally. His bravado and recklessness just costed their lives. But hey, I'm just being sexist, right?
Imagine being those 3 passengers who were denied due to document issues
They will dancing for victory
Tho
Because the crash was pretty tragic
Rest In Peace for those souls that have perished
A healthy dose of survivor’s guilt for the rest of their lives. The one passenger who survived too.
gosh
@@giulia6344yes and no , the anger not getting on losing money in the process then finding out it crashed they will feel like winners forever, the people who stopped them flying will feel shame for eternity
@@chiefrocka8604 that’s not how survivor’s guilt works unfortunately. It’s not a rational guilt. I’m fairly sure it does haunt them.
Another major overlooked factor could be that of the cultural barrier which would probably hinder a more aged male captain from taking his junior female first officer seriously. The fact that he took back all controls could be a confirmation of this barrier.
YES! Exactly what I was thinking.
I love the fact that we can't really even discuss the real cause, we have to obscure it behind "the cultural barrier".
The real cause: An entitled male from a culture that undermines and demeans women in positions pf power couldn't handle having to treat a woman as an equal and a teammate. His ignorance kills himself and all but one of his passengers.
misogyny, ego and religous superstition DESTROY common sense 😒
Man, as soon as Menotur Pilot pointed out the first officer was a woman, taking into account this was Algeria, I instantly guessed what the whole thing was going to be about... Very sad
@@ChrisStavrosagree. The word "culture" does not make male chauvinism any more respectable or acceptable, but does veil the fact it is neither.
I hope I never have to be a passenger with a captain like that in charge!
Yeah, so do we all
@@MentourPilot Was on an Aer Lingus flight some years ago from Heathrow to Dublin. The pilot flew an approach from before Wicklow all the way to Portmarnock before turning in for an excellent landing. Just stunningly beautiful.
As I left the aircraft the cockpit door was open and the captain was a lady. Anyway I thanked her very much for such a beautiful approach and landing. She said "no problem sir, I did that especially for you".
Great pilot, great sense of humour, great flight.
Goes without saying, and that captain is not going to take down anymore aircraft.
Oh yeah! I agree 100% since the flying crews are all about communication and cooperation. Without someone else to help you, while also being completely aware of what was happening, you're pretty much screwed like the First Officer found out, the hard way.
Have you ever looked into Northwest Airline flight 5719 from Dec. 1993?
Likewise, it seems to have a lot to do with captain issues...
The captain was a disrespectful, arrogant, the purser knew better, neither was doing their job. But the passengers & 3 remaining cabin crew deserved better than to have their lives in the hands of these 2 macho jerks. You weren't exaggerating when you said, "No excuse." As always, well analyzed & well presented.
I agree.
Seems like the captain had little respect for the FO.
So in the event not working as a team.
Why not call him alzo sexist. Lets be honest.
Why not call him alzo sexist. Lets be honest.
@@LiFeeIsSMusicC💯
Let's be honest here... It's their culture
The irony is that if the steward had been in the passenger cabin doing his job rather than distracting the pilots from doing theirs there'd likely have been sufficient cabin crew to do the seat belt check properly increasing the fatality rate to 100%.
they never shoot for perfection!
@sargentoazul: I was in an Istanbul carpet shop near the Blue Mosque. While watching the woman at the loom, the owner said they always weave in an imperfection because only God is perfect. He was proud that his past customers often took years of scanning their carpets to find the subtle flaw, such as a thread looped differently from the rest in a row.
@@oahuhawaii2141
I've heard this before from a religious craftsman and didn't mention what I'm about to now out of respect.
Assuming you're able to produce something perfect and leaving an imperfection on purpose might be a bit arrogant in and on itself.
No disrespect meant, just a personal thought on those ethics. In a way I kind of like the silly ways we act to confirm our own beliefs.
If the steward had been doing his job the captain may not have been so unprepared which may have saved everyone.
@@oahuhawaii2141the product with the intended imperfection then becomes exactly what it was intended not to be. The product is perfect with an intended imperfection
And unbelievable level of incompetence from that captain. Feel sorry for everyone else on that flight that day.
Before you consider that the way to survive an accident is to not fasten your seatbelt, consider that the ONLY people killed in the Asiana 214 accident (777 SFO) were the ones that had not fastened their seatbelts and ended up ejected from the airplane - one being run over by a fire truck.
Fasten your Seat Belts!
At least two who fell 1000s of feet from an aircraft disaster were strapped to their seats, Vesna Vulovic & Juliane Koepske.
Yes, it's really no different from being in a car. Occasionally not fastening their seat belt has saved a life in a car accident, but it's much more common for seat belts to save lives than to be a reason someone dies. So it's better to always have your seat belt fastened.
@@clintonwilcox4690 Friends of mine, at the beginning of a relationship, were involved in an accident slow speed but sufficient to hurl them through the windscreen with the front seats squashed under the car roof. They attributed not wearing a seat belt (then a new requirement) to saving them. But not something that will always happen as they were not travelling at great speed. Their relationship became long-term & gave rise to two great kids.
@@f.stewart286
Why would the seats rip off the floor if it was slow speed?
Seems like high speed or a truck hitting them with force
@@f.stewart286 Your comment completely misses the point of the entire conversation. Wearing a seat belt is safer than not wearing a seat belt. I was involved in a car crash that could have been fatal for all involved had we not been wearing seat belts. Being hurled through glass is a dangerous endeavor no matter what the cause. It was probably a minor miracle that your friends weren't killed. And their relationship may have become long-term even without the accident. Plenty of relationships do.
I'm Algerian and i had no idea about this catastrophe 😢 it was so unfortunate. Thank you for taking time to explain , efforts appreciated... Love and peace from Algeria 🇩🇿❤
ممكن لأنك صغير في السن. انا اتذكر يوم الحادثة في الاخبار عام 2003، أيامها كنت في الثانوية، خاصة أنه طيارة كانت من أوائل النساء اللي يطيروا. ربي يرحمهم
Love and peace from Australia ❤
@@felicitybywater8012 i appreciate it ❤️
@@ZZ-vl5nd حتى ولو يعني ، على الأقل نكون عرفت ولا سمعت بيها من قبل خصوصا انو انا نتابع هاد القصص مليح و من زمان ❤️ شكرا على التعليق
I'm 23 yo also Algerian and I've never heard of it
Based on my own experiences including my own foibles, things rarely happen in isolation. I have no doubt that the captain had acted this way many times before. As with the First Officer, she appears to be a stickler for following verified best practices and check lists, for very good reasons. She deserved better. Cheers from Canada
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@Logicalsane .. Did you watch the video? It has nothing to do with gender.. cant tell if your comment was a joke or not
@@Logicalsane shoo, shoo, back to your incel dungeon!
@@LogicalsaneI spent just ten minutes browsing this comment section and I can already tell that you are a seriously unhinged person. Get some help
Found the incel. @@Logicalsane
You have taught us well Petter! As soon as you said “the purser stayed in the cockpit talking with the captain” we were all cringing and shaking our head, saying No! No! No!
Without fail, the most disturbing aviation accidents are those where a lack of respect on one crew member's part towards their colleagues leads to tragedies like this. I have a feeling the FO had faced extensive sexism in her career, but either way, this lack of respect by the captain led to this tragedy. Surprised the investigation didn't do a comprehensive look at the culture of the company, because things like this are usually not one-offs. If someone is allowed to behave this way, they've likely been unchecked for a while.
I agree
@@MentourPilot Did you ever speak up for the women who were harassed by the former chief pilot at your own airline?
@@janegrey9978 Probably not.
I wrote my comment before reading this. While totally agree on the subject, I believe that you're too cautious. It is not about the culture of the company. It is about the culture of the society.
Being from Algeria and remembering the incident vividly, the general reaction of the people around me was all about "That's what happen when you let women fly planes". So sad to see she did everything right and still had mysoginistic views follow her posthumously
Thanks Petter, what a sad, totally avoidable accident. As a 30k hour (retired) Boeing captain, I’m appalled at the behaviour of the captain literally from long before they ever shut the doors.
SInce you are a pilot maybe you can tell me the reason why the female pilot had to ask for captain's permission to retract the landing gear. Why hasn't she just done it? Heck, she had already given him the command earlier and received no response, so at this point wasn't it common sense to just lift up the gear lever herself? This one simple action just might have recovered the plane from a stall and possibly saved it.
@@ArthurWojtowiczGood question.
She needed to immediately initiate the engine failure on takeoff procedure, which all pilots should have memorized: reduce the pitch angle to maintain V2 (takeoff safety speed), raise the landing gear, increase thrust on the remaining engine, and use the rudder to counter the yaw.
*Nothing* of all this was done by her, so the captain was forced to take over the control five seconds after the engine failure.
But she didn't let go the yoke pulling up as she was not even in control of herself - she freaked out. That is the answer to your question. She was impaired, incapacitated by her fear, by her panic.
@@c.s.4273 Thank you for writing this. Anyone ought to have been able to read the glaring in-between-the-lines, on this story. Something went wrong, she freaked out, and the commanding officer was forced to try to save them. "What's going on?!?!" ("Jesus, take the wheel")
The captain is saying "take your hands off the yoke" so that he can try to save their lives, and she is saying, in her craze (and for the microphones' sake), "I did, I already did". Who knows whether she was pulling back on the controls? Mentour Pilot? Or, the man sitting next to her, looking at her hands on his controls, and trying to save 100 souls?
@@c.s.4273Is that you, Algeria? You cheeky little country!
Sounds to me the Captain blatantly ignored the female pilot
When things become routine, that's when the checklist becomes even more important.
Yep! Complacency is the enemy of safety
As a commercial pilot; i would like to thank you for this amazing video and all explanations
25:10 I was one of your first 100 subscribers on your 2nd channel!
How you describe tragic events like these, in a simple to understand manner, is thoughtful.
Thank you kind sir.
Dios te bendiga.
It will boil anybody blood who is watching this video . Because i have never seen such a careless captain like this who was his in his own lala land at critical phase of flight . Thank you captain for bringing this . Even though without seat belt that guy was saved . Seat belt should be wore while in flight
Absolutely
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
As a female engineer, I’ve got so much sympathy for the FO (not to mention the passengers ofc). The whole attitude is classic “you’re good enough to do the job, but we’re not going to give you the respect of your male colleagues” which I think most women in a male dominated industry have experienced.
Which leads to me to wonder, with better understanding of innate bias that can lead to situations like this unintentionally, is addressing these part of commercial pilot training? I know CRM is a thing but from my layman perspective that seems to mostly address issues with a captains ego vs a FO and “power structure” issues that might arise. Does CRM training tackle personal bias an individual may hold toward others?
Great video as always!
It's a constant battle, no doubt - females actually make much better aircrew. It's been proven in studies. Human psychology is very strange.
Doesn’t matter which gender is making a better pilot, if there is one behaving like the other is not even worth to be professionally recognized, then that a..hole is not fit for the job. I‘m working in a technical area, where female are also rare, but if they reach that space, they are typically some if the best.
And if you can’t live with this situation as a man, there are plenty of job where you are safe from „female exposure“. Try handling waste bins.
Very, very true!
Fully agree especially in that particular culture. If the first officer were male the outcome might be different.
Yes, exactly!
The First Officer was the only one of that crew actually trying to DO anything - and had already been doing everything since the plane waiting on the tarmac to the takeoff. And you just *know* that if this flight had come down in one piece and all survived, the captain would have immediately blamed the FO, probably adding in 'female hysterics'. Poor woman. My heart breaks for her and all the passengers who died 😥😥 THe captain and the purser also did not deserve to die, but they REALLY let everyone down with such shoddy and arrogant attitudes to, oh, Idk - THEIR JOBS??!!
poor woman, she decided to take off and risk the crew with that captain
As a 737 intructor, all of that make me think about company safety culture, quality of training, and captain´s training records and professional attitude for fliyng.
True
and perhaps a pinch of mysagony
Back in the day as a private pilot, I set in numerous commercial jet jump seats for departure and climb out However, in every case as the crew were starting to prepare the cockpit, the captain always turned around and said : at this point, unless you were to spot something immediately hazardous, which you need to alert us to straightaway, you must now be 100% quiet until we’re in the cruise.
Yep. "Not speak until spoken " is other of the golden rules for a jumpseat rider🤐@@malcolmwhite6588
Ok I have a question, if there is a captain or any other flight personnel that's dosen't show to thier Briefings, how do airlines handle that? Delay the flight? Repermands? Replacement before the flight? Cancel flight? Because in my opinion, im not a plot but I am a truck driver. We have many thing that we do similar to airlines. We do act as our own frist and captain. We do our per trips. We route plan, figure out fuel need distance. And in our driving we must monitor our vehicles. Somthing happens we must frist get the vehicle under control then safety stop or diagnose the problem. We also have to safety protect the motoring public. Driver who don't do this have accidents and can lose their jobs. If I was this frist officer I probably would have delayed the flight and made an inquiry to my company because of the neglect of the captain. They are a team and must be on the same page.
That FO and the passengers didn’t deserve to have a such a reckless captain
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
she should have walked off when the captain was obviously not doing his job.
@Logicalsane The Captain was negligent and failed in every single step leading up to the crash. Gender has nothing to do with it.
@@shiftygirl6434 It has something to do it for LogicalSane, as he seems to hate women and is fond of blaming the FO for this whole incident. Which is why his opinion should be laughed at and discarded
@@Logicalsanegender discrimination against men? 😂😂😂 men are the ones who started gender discrimination and continue to do it.
One aspect about the sterile cockpit concept that I really like is that it implied times when it isn't sterile, acknowledging that pilots are human and want to have casual conversations, but also making it clear when they have to put such conversations off until later. Unfortunately this captain and Purser didn't fulfil their part of that bargain.
Pilots can have casual conversations, but not during take-off and landing, the two most crucial time periods. Take-off lasts 2 minutes. Casual conversations can wait for 2 minutes. This captain simply didn't care about safety.
I'm guessing cultural dynamics were at play. Arabic culture is... let's just say it... misogynistic. And this created a very bad communication dynamic.
Similar to the age dynamic in Korean culture which caused a huge plane crash, which afterwards Delta made their Korean pilots only speak English at work.
In Spanish we have an expression. "Me pica el puño" (my fist is itching).
We use this when we hear someone being an absolutely terrible person.
I'm an usually calm person. But hearing about this Captain and Purser, my fist has been itching
Most professional Algerian:
In Russian we have similar expression, but instead of fist we say our hands are itching :)
In approximately 25,000 hrs of flying, I have had the amazing good fortune of never having experienced a full engine failure, and only a few inflight shutdowns. Of course every six months I have the opportunity to experience this exact scenario in the simulator, as do all pilots. Still, in the back of my mind I always wonder: "how well will I perform when this happens in real life?" I think about it often. The only way to make sure you don't end up like this guy is to always be prepared. It's obvious from the lead-up that this captain had lost his passion for his job and his interest in professionalism, and was just trying to get through another boring day at work. Flying for a living can be tedious. The real effort is in not allowing that to erode your sense of duty, which is what clearly had happened to this pilot.
If I were a billionaire I'd hire you to be the pilot of my jet.
I think it's clear the pilot had mentally only prepared for a successful takeoff and had no consideration that there might be a problem, mentally completely unprepared to deal with anything - all the more remarkable for a near MTOW takeoff in the desert....
You know it's going to happen during the simulator so you can mentally prepare (even if they try to trick you and not saying you which simulator session would have it, you know it is a very real possibility). But on a properly maintained aircraft, it is rare enough that you can do your whole career without facing the problem, so preparing for the real deal is always much harder. Everyone wants to be Sully in this situation, but the truth is we never know before it actually happens.
@@meneldal I agree. You can be a rock star when you know it's going to happen. The real mystery is how we'll stay composed when it's the real deal.
1. AVIATE = fly the wing.
I don’t understand holding the pitch through decaying speed and stick shaker. Even if I’m now a glider the last thing I want to do is stall and depart.
I just wanted to say that you are very inspiring to me. It’s amazing how you are working as a pilot and instructor and still find time to meticulously research, organize, write the script, record, and put together such high quality, entertaining, and educational videos for us to enjoy.
It truly is inspiring to me as I’m sure it is for many others and we are grateful for all that you do for us. I’ll steal your favorite compliment and tell you that your Absolutely Fantastic! Keep up the incredible work! Don’t forget to get some rest and have some fun from time to time… I hope your holiday went great! Your certainly deserve it.
In fairness, UA-cam channels of this size (and especially quality!) has a whole team behind them. But yeah, Petter is indeed inspiring. To me, it's moreso his ability to teach us complex subjects. As someone who works in a technical field and often has to instruct others, that stuff is _hard._
How naive are you? The guy has a whole army of editor, cameraman, writter, etc. working for him, all he gotta do is read a script
@@lenneth118821:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Good day, mentour pilot. I just want to say a big thank you for these well researched stories that are told with unparalleled thoroughness and finesse. I am a West African and although the airline industry is but a fledgling business, there are many accidents and incidents which have not been properly explained as you do on this channel, I would love to hear and watch you talk about them so that we also in our subregion and other subregions of Africa can learn from them. Thank you very much.
Sure! Send me the final reports on petter@mentourpilot.com and I’ll have a look
Very well sir, I will search for them.
@@MentourPilot I often enjoy reading people‘s comments, almost as much as your top-quality well researched videos. Obviously, a huge number of us appreciate the massive effort and commitment you put into them, especially ,as a number of people comment , with your busy life is a line pilot ,training, captain and busy husband and father. Thanks heaps.🎉😊❤
@@NgoziEbenezer21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
I am Algerian, i was nine year old when the accident happened, i remember seeing it in the national news, since then this the best narration i came across for this crash ....it is sad to see that unprofessional attitude of the captain was the majors reasons of this....my Allah have mercy on all of victimes
Wtf is an allah
Very algerian behaviour lmao
may Allah hold them in his heart forever. Everything happens for a reason, lets just not ignore his message. Remain Vigilant in your job and be kind to one another. For we do not know Allahs plans for us and we should never try to interpret them. For he is all, love and anger. Without these accidents, he would have no way to teach us our lessons.
Allahu akbar, god is great my brothers and sisters. Thank you for being you. You are deeply appreciated.
@@ravinraven6913 Right but I say except that pilot in commend, may the others rest in peace.
Allah?? Hahahaha
2nd espresso in hand, on the couch in my office, UA-cam on the TV on the wall opposite me, as the late November sunrise warms up Northern California just after this video’s launch…from one pilot to another, THANK YOU Petter for your work as a pilot and UA-camr!
Thank YOU for being here, appreciating and interacting 💕
Have a lovely Saturday
Ah, another fan of Blancolirio, I hope? Gotta love mid-60s weather after Thanksgiving.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
One of the hardest things for pilots to learn is to realise that being in control does not necessarily mean being on the controls. This is why most airlines insist pilots take it in turn to fly and to monitor, it is also where training and simulators are so useful.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Being resilient is so important for a First Officer. Calling a halt to the operation and spelling out the parameters for safe conduct is so hard to do, particularly if the CA is overbearing or fixated but has to be done. Specific training should be given to all crew members on when it is appropriate to intercede and how to deal with such a challenge. Basic CRM. Great video as always
Depends if that would save her. The safest action would be to cancel the flight citing the lack of professionalism of the Captain but with 2 versus one she a) may lose her job or b) be coerced into continuing regardless hence leading to not wishing to speak up. It's not right but I've seen enough work based bullying cultures that it's very easy for far less important sectors to have issues around openness and accountability.
The irony of having a sponsor for data protection, while also having a sponsor that sold their vulnerable users' data to facebook is wild
Yeah as much as I enjoy his videos I wouldn't touch any of his sponsors with a ten foot pole. BetterHelp is notoriously shitty and Incogni is known to either do nothing or increase spam. NordVPN seems like an okay VPN, but there's definitely better out there and a VPN's usefulness to the average use is questionable at best.
Also people with no background or knowledge in a certain topic, in this case "data protection", should not be out there recommending products or companies they cant rightfully judge or deem trustworthy. i really appreciate this channel for the well researched avionic discussions and documentaries. and its not just mentour pilot, its all over youtube.
Modern blended advertising theory: sell the problem AND the solution. Unlimited money forever.
Find a solution then make up a problem
This is why i always skip sponsors
Thanks for covering this. I didn't know of this incident. My blood boiled, too. Utter dereliction of duty by both the captain and purser. Passengers, please always fasten your seatbelts, especially during landing and take off. The " luck" that favored this conscript may not favor you. Think of the young lady who was thrown during the Asiana crash at SFO.
Yes, indeed.
That purser should've left the cockpit when the pilots needed to start their briefing!
@@InventorZahran Yes, absolutely. He acted as unprofessional as the Captain.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Sad thing is you know this wasn't the first time the CPT had done something like this being this casual about letting the purser into the cockpit during takeoff. He's probably let others in there as well during landing as well and it probably went unreported for various different reasons. If you're part of the flight crew and you see things like this, I hope you report it before it turns into another avoidable accident.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
@@Logicalsane lol troll on
So the captain decided to take control of the airplane only to run it right into ground. Such an avoidable accident. I feel bad for the first officer. She was the only person prepared for that situation and the controls were literally taken away from her.
Captain has the final say but it’s always not the right say I agree
@@LootBoxyt
What about his victims he murdered? Where is their say?
@@Aint_no_senators_son murdered? that's absurd.
@@Aint_no_senators_son He only "Neglegently Homidided" them; not Murdered. Try learning the difference!
There is no guarantee she would have done any better. She still didn't know what the issue was, and still hadn't noticed the gear bring up.
I really love how you explain things with very technical detail but in a way that a layman can completely understand.
Yes! "Sterile cockpit" is the word I use in my line of work as an NDT technician, thanks to this channel. When operating X-ray equipment we need to concentrate in order not to irradiate each other.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@LogicalsaneYou are such a plant, lol.
From my (layman) point of view, the accident **was not** caused by engine failure followed by failing on raising the gears.
The accident was caused by pilot error.
The engine failure was the initial trigger of the chain of events that lead to the loss of the flight, but from this point, everything else happened due failure of the pilots on handling the situation.
I can only imagine what was going through F/O's head during this entire event.
I think they stated pilot error as one of the causes in the official report, if I remember correctly. It's been a while since I read it.
Well unfortunately we'll never know because she sat there timid and quiet instead of asserting herself and saving the plane!
There is never a single cause to an accident. It's always the Swiss Cheese model with multiple problems coming together in a catastrophic alignment. A pilot having a shock induced brain-freeze is just another part of the complex system.
What only boils my blood is a pilot consciously and recklessly overriding an automated safety system that an engineer put there in case of a pilot error, but a narcisistic pilot refuses to acknowledge that he could be the one making an error and not the safety system.
@pfefferle74 except when the automated system itself misbehaves, as happened on 737 MAX.
Narcissism is a problem on engineering too.
It's the reason we need to have pilots trained on recognizing the need and overriding them.
Problems start to happen when pilots are not trained adequately for such situations.
@lancevancedance4900 IMHO it's **THE** cause of the accident.
From all the info the video gave us, we can assume with a more than reasonable degree of certainty that the situation was perfectly salvageable under the hands of an adequately trained crew.
You are way too kind to the "Captain" who showed incompetence in airmanship as well as a failure in character that rendered him unable to work with his female First Officer. Not only did he decide to wrestle control away from the First Officer, he also wouldn't have listened to her (he refused to listen to her attempts to brief him) if she had called out airspeeds or any other advice. His sheer incompetence from start to finish is breathtaking.
I’m Algerian and used to be cabin crew for airline for 5 years ….
I have to say in Algeria we have no rules what so ever … I have friends who have no pilot license and never passed the tests … they are now captains.
Even ground staff fake the weight of cargo and baggage.
Just for money .
It’s disaster .
Another great break down of this terrible accident, I read about this during my training and my instructor highlighted the importance of keeping a sterile cockpit and focusing on following the procedure without distraction. As you kept saying as the purser and pilot chatted ignoring the correct procedure, I felt my frustration rising.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
I've already seen every video on the channel so I'm very excited for this new one! The analysis is always so good and factual, while still considering the human loss. I really really appreciate the lack of unnecessary dramatics
Glad you like them!
Same here!! When I first ran into Mentour Pilot, I binged on so many every day.
I am getting there. I have watched multipled other aviation channels, but this one is the best! I love his informative and analytic videos! 🙂
I agree, this one is the best!@@ForcefighterX2
@@originaljazzgirl21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
One of the few moments in history where NOT wearing your seat belt ended up saving your life. Absolutely wild…
Videos like this serve as a reminder that, no matter what your job or profession is, it is important to show up to work with the mindset of being a professional. Know what you’re doing, and do it like your life or your family’s life depend on it. So many of these videos highlight just what happens when people don’t take their job seriously.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
I noticed new graphics, music and the wide screen intro in this one! Love how the channel constantly experiments and improves.
In terms of this tragedy, the quick but sadly inconsequential alert of the ATC was admirable. RIP to the perished.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men..
Pathetic comment.
My favorite thing about your accident reviews, Petter, is that you select them only when there's a clear takeaway or lesson to learn from the event. It keeps them from feeling gratuitous or exploitative, in contrast to MANY other channels.
Seconded, it's a big appeal of this channel for me. I can't go back to watching the content that got me interested in aviation accidents in the first place now because the way it's presented makes me feel like I'm taking advantage of other people's suffering for my own entertainment. I'm interested in how system breakdowns happen, and Petter does a great job of still acknowledging the tragedy of the situation while still keeping the focus on what we can learn.
I disagree, it's mainly still for entertainment purposes. It's not like any more than 0.01% of people watching the videos are pilots.
@@rewardilicious You do not have to be a pilot to find Petter's videos educational. I am a non-pilot geek, who has an interest in finding the core reason for mishaps, in order to (if possible) keep them from happening again. Or at least reduce the risk.
I develop electronics for a living, some of it with safety-critical circuits that keep equipment operators from getting hurt. Believe it or not, but some of these videos have actually inspired me to improve the functionality of a circuit or a user interface, to reduce yet another hole in the Swiss cheese model. (Not really this video, because the main reason for the tragic outcome was organic. Can't fix "stupid".)
@@auramire6304 you watch this for entertainment just like everyone else.
@@tikemyson5627 Naturally. You've misunderstood the point I was making - I was talking about the difference between getting that entertainment from the suffering of real people VS entertainment from learning how a disaster unfolds in the first place. The difference is in the focus and framing of the story.
I know one survived but these stories make me very sad. So many lives gone so fast, my heart goes out to their loved ones.
Once I heard that the sterile cockpit rule was being violated, I knew something bad was going to happen.
I kinda suspected when the video went up. Very few of these videos follow the plot of "the airplane took off, experienced an uneventful flight, and landed safely at its destination".
But then, EVERY flight featured on this channel has something bad happen. He's hardly going to make an entire video about a flight that went without incident.🤣
I began to suspect unprofessional behavior on the part of the captain once I heard that he didn't show up right away and instead the first officer had to do all the preflight checks by herself. And it just kept getting worse from there.
When I saw Mentor Pilot made a video about this flight, I knew something bad was going to happen.
@@KenFullman That would be a great April Fools' day video, though
The production value of your recent videos has been absolutely super, Peter! You really work hard to both inform and entertain and it shows! Well done as always 👏
The music syncing on this one was perfect
@@ploot599521:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
watching this video with quite a few sighs of disbelief listening to the captain's actions or lack of actions prior to take off, at least the first officer was doing her best to maintain standard operating procedures
Well, she should have called out her co-worker. But this is difficult, especially if the work culture discourage this kind of high standard expectations.
Yeah, this was a hugely frustrating video to research and do.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
Thanks!
As a woman watching this, I wondered whether the pilot was affronted by having to work with a woman and set out to humiliate her. The most telling thing to me was having his buddy in the cockpit so that he would not be alone with her. Just my opinion.
I was having a somewhat similar thought. I wonder if having his buddy in the cockpit was part of the reason that he to such great length ignored the FO. Some sort of stupid macho-move. I have seen such crap myself, although not in planes, and not in safety-critical situations.
As a male, I've been ignored and not taken seriously by both male and female bosses/supervisors for years. Everyone experiences this.
Ironically, if you think he's acting this was because she's female and he's male, it sounds like you're the one with sexist attitudes (i.e. you assume he's ignoring her because she's a girl and he's a big bad male...)
I'm afraid it's the elephant in the room. This is the kind of arrogant attitude women in Arab and Muslim societies have to endure. Of course this man was dismissive of her because she was female. Also there is a hierarchy of 'respect' which often leads to these men being almost as dismissive of other men they deem to be lower down the ranks than themselves. People are afraid to mention this in case someone thinks they're being racist. In fact, they're just being patronising by holding them to lower standards.
It's common for those with privilege to expect marginalized people to perform above expectations. This is a fact of in most societies and could have easily happened in the case of this video. BTW I'm male and I am educated enough to know that identifying potential sexist behavior is not a "sexist attitude".
@@joker927 Thanks, Simp Simperson. Now go get your warm soy milk and go to bed.
This is like watching Air Crash Investigations minus all the needless over-explanation and dramatization... Perfect
When I first started my pilot training, and as a way to make an income, got hired as a ground crew member at a small Intl airport. The more I saw behind the scenes, the more I began to realize that being a pilot wasnt for me. Im simply too analytical and ocd to accept the misbehavior from other pilots, including captains, who did not seem to care much for procedural processes. No, I dont “babysit” others in how they get from A to B, but simply skipping safety steps etc would have been a big issue for me. So I likely wouldnt have agreed to continue a flight such as this with so many things incomplete.
In the end I went into engineering, and have spent the past 11 years running our own business.
I love listening to your detailed explanations of different air situations. I gave anesthesia for 40 yrs, and felt like both had similarities. No room for mistakes, poor judgement and functional equipment a must for both. Keep up your videos!
It makes me so angry whenever someone just shows a total disregard for safety procedures like this captain here, and people have to pay for that with their lives. Sometimes accidents happen that are just really difficult to handle, and then there's accidents like this one that were completely avoidable and unnecessary. It's so sad.
Production value on this video is absolutely incredible. The music choice this time around was impeccable, really really well done
I have watched other peoples videos with similar substance, but yours supersedes in quality and detail by far and is second to none. Thanks for the upload.
The capitate lady was one of my relatives very experienced unfortunately we lost her with other passengers
With others passengers and the crew
Stumbled upon this channel few months ago and I've been thoroughly impressed! As someone who previously had no particular interest in aviation, I find myself completely captivated by the detailed and insightful explanations of aviation disasters. The depth of analysis, clarity in presentation, and the effort to educate on prevention strategies is exceptional. The production quality of these videos is top-notch, making complex topics accessible and engaging. Your work in bridging the gap between aviation experts and casual viewers is commendable. Thanks for igniting a new interest in me and for the outstanding content
Agreed!
Me too
When you don't name the Captain we know it means they are at fault. The FO tried and it was such a shame for her.
Great content as always. Rest in peace for all those on board
@@Capecodham FO = First Officer
Wow that was a very interesting video! The man who survived and the 3 people who were not able to get on the flight are extremely lucky.
Indeed they are.
The conscript must thank his lucky stars daily. I wonder if he ever thinks, "man I should probably not go on any more planes after I cheated death. But I guess statistically he unlikely to ever be in another crash.@@MentourPilot
True, but I don't think the lesson to be learned is that you shouldn't buckle your seatbelt. You're far more likely to be saved by it.
@@dmatechyes, he was indeed lucky to be alive, but I feel that "maybe I'll get violently thrown out of a crashing plane" isn't a good survival plan. He could have easily died from the injuries.
Generally I don't like posts about true catastrophies, but I 'm surprised by the highest quality presentation of events and balanced, factual commentary. Wonderful job!
The FO deserves a medal or something in her honor for trying to save the aircraft. She was attempting to do everything in her power to save the aircraft and the souls aboard.
There was a similar incident when a crew member interrupted the pilots during their checklist. They were chatting and having a cigarette I believe there were survivors. In this one only 1 person survived and that’s just really sad. These incidents could have been avoided and prevented but egos are more important than lives. RIP to all the victims and survivor(s).
She is the one who caused the crash...that male pilot was actually going to save them.... It's disgusting how society side with women even when they are guilty
@@Logicalsane watch the video again incel, stop commenting sexist crap on every
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@@LogicalsaneI know what you mean. The entitlement is unbelievable. A highly qualified pilot does her job and doesn't crash a plane, and society still supports her over the man who didn't do his job and did crash the plane. It's just not right 🙄
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The FO does Not deserve a medal, she failed her role as FO. She should have demanded purser in his Post, sterile cockpit and checklist.
This would have been her duty. They both failed.
The purser in the cockpit is reminiscent of Northwest 255. In the newly released 10 minute long cockpit voice recording, you can hear the captain having a discussion with the purser at a completely inopportune moment.
What was their status?
@@MarinCipollina Of the 155 people on board. There was only 1 survivor, a passenger. There were other circumstances that brought the plane down though.
@@VeilingSun21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@Logicalsane Are you responding to the right person? I read your comment, then I read my comment, and I just don't see the connection at all. In fact, I think you picked the one comment thread that doesn't talk about gender lol.
Man, this one is frustrating. Complacency can be so dangerous to an airline pilot. Unfortunately, no one was ready to stand up & say something, which may have helped get the pilot out of his own way😞
I feel so sorry for first officers in crashes like this, it must be incredibly difficult to speak up.
I do suspect that her being female may have culturally influenced her not to speak up and also may have related to the Captain's unprofessionalism.
Lack of an emergency briefing is unbelievable.
The unprofessionalism of the captain and purser is incredible.
Edit - All the more so given that this was a near MTOW takeoff in a hot/high environmnent.... clearly the capain had no expectation of anything other than a routine takeoff.
It really suggests that both Air Algerie and Algeria's regulator need looking at, Korean Airlines had similar problems but were able to fix them.
I find it hard to believe that with a captain and the purser both involved in such poor practices that they were the only "bad apples" in airline.
I remember that in Pakistan there were some pilots flying in their airlines who were not qualified pilots and I have to consider that it's possilbe here.
Terrible airmanship - the aircraft crashed entirely due to the pilot in command's incompetence.
Nonsense white knight. Defending the woman FO for being submissive because of big meany captain. TIME TO STAND UP AND ASSERT YOURSELF OR YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE COCKPIT! Instead she just sat their timidly and let them crash? bEcAuSe SeXiSm. Freaking simps! She was a fail too.
Yes, exactly.
21:45 you are criticizing the male pilot for making mistakes but when female pilot is making mistakes then you are siding with her by giving lame justifications.......... Cut this gender discrimination against men
@@Logicalsane that's a disgrace. The respective mistakes of the two pilots are not even in the same universe in terms of magnitude and culpability. To turn a story about the fatal consequences of a deeply rooted culture of sexism and misogyny (because make no mistake, cultures in general was a lot like that and Algerian culture is still deeply patriarchal) into your pet peeve about discrimination against men is unbelievable. It seems that your basic perception is twisted by ideology so you see things that aren't there (discrimination against men) and not see things that are actually there (unforgivable incompetence, breathtaking arrogance, and deadly sexism). This pilot being the kind of man that is so utterly unprepared and incompetent yet so supremely confident that he will always do better than those women. Please reconsider your obsession with ideology and recognize sexism, despite it's abuse by some people, is still a valid and essential concept to understand injustices like this one.
One of the reasons your channel is so popular is that you are very eloquent & you talk & describe every important point not as a boring documentary but you provide entertaining but knowledgable, accurate & important whilst educating people like me who are not a Pilot. I love your videos but the more videos i watch of yours the more i admire just how complicated & intelligent a person must be to qualify to become a Pilot. As a novice Aviation fan i thank you for these videos. I always wanted to be a Pilot but just didn't have the grades to become one. I always thought i would never, ever be able to afford the training but in my late thirtys i learned that the Australian Air Force trained Commercial Pilots for free. If i had known that in my teens i definitely would have gone back & definitely do the training necessary to get into Aviation/Flight school. Now, of course, the is no free Pilot training anymore. That is one big regret in my life. Keep these great videos coming please.
My goodness... The quality of your video has tremendously improves. The graphics, the music, toppled on with your story telling is amazing. Thank you so much Peter.. ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m confident this is no surprise but you’re an excellent story teller. This is something we need more of in the world of constant mindless entertainment and “look at me” influencers.
Thank you…!
On May 12, 2010, Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771, originating from Johannesburg, crashed just before landing in Tripoli. 103 people were killed. 1 person survived the crash, 9 year old Ruben from the Netherlands. Ruben's parents, brother and sister also died in the crash 😢
@MentourPilot. From the start of this, the swiss cheese model keeps building and building, the amount of holes, gaps, and missteps made that lead to the accident is mind-boggling.
25:11 that segue!
Anyway, this tragedy offers an excellent lesson for anybody in any field. Take a moment to prepare before your shift, to identify possible problems, to notice where exits are, and who is working today. Not only will you work more efficiently, because you will be better informed, but if a crisis happens, your situational awareness will be much higher, not least because you will be more comfortable and not trying to catch up.
If the captain had survived he would have no doubt blamed the "incompetence" of the first officer and painted himself as the hero who tried valiantly to save the aircraft.
And he wouldn't be wrong, it's the first officer that overfueled the plane that directly led to the destruction. The captain not showing up for hand-off had zero impact on the plane crash
@@DragonZombie2000
The final report was published with the following:
"The accident was caused by the loss of an engine during a critical phase of flight, the non-retraction of the landing gear after the engine failure, and the captain, the PNF, taking over control of the airplane before having clearly identified the problem.
The following factors probably contributed to the accident:
- the perfunctory flight preparation, which meant that the crew were not equipped to face the situation that occurred at a critical moment of the flight;
- the coincidence between the moment the failure occurred and the request to retract the landing gear;
- the speed of the event that left the crew little time to recover the situation;
maintaining an inappropriate rate of climb, taking into account the failure of one engine;
- the absence of any teamwork after the engine failure, which led to a failure to detect and correct parameters related to the conduct of the flight (speed, rate of climb, configuration, etc.);
- the takeoff weight being close to the maximum with a high aerodrome altitude and high temperature;
- the rocky environment around the aerodrome, unsuitable for an emergency landing.
- BEA"
None of these items listed mention overfueling, the weight contributed but not in a "she shouldn't have allowed this" way but more in a "with other things going wrong, this made it worse". You're literally conjuring up bs to bend over backwards to blame the woman even though the captain is the only person named and blamed in the report. Stop making your fragile male ego her problem
lets keep in mind the first officer decided to take off with an incompetent captain
there is the black box so... most probably jail.
Love the wide aspect ratio opening
I can see how your style is really developing and maturing as you continue to do this
Always looking forward to the next one
Awesome! Thank you!
@@MentourPilot I remember the cinema screen mechanically being made wider for super wide-screen 2001: A Space Odyssey by Stanley Kubrick. Circa 1970. 😎👍