I like that you kept encouraging him to relate the cards to those in Pokemon, it really shows that you have a good understanding of what makes these videos so fun, which is getting to see the different perspectives and learn how other cars games are played.
2:09 To clarify, Supporter cards are once-per-turn for ALL Supporter cards. For example, if you play 1 Professor Juniper, you can’t also play 1 Iono in the same turn.
I had a deck once where i could use 3 supporter per turn. 1 extra from an Ability and 1 more from an Attack. But thats the exception and not the norm , it also felt super imbalanced that time.
Now we need a video where Cimo, Rarran, CGB and Azul take turns to present 3 cards each from their respective games and all the others have to guess gow good they are. It would be fun to have a 4 way call.
Worth noting that MtG and Pokemon players count turns differently. In most card games other than Yugioh, it turn 2 is after both you and your opponent have had their first turn. That is to say, turns are in terms of both players. So when he says "My understanding is Yugioh games end by turn 3" he probably meant turn 5/6 in Yugioh terms.
@@itsomegali5342 I think it is more that he had played goat before, not that he plays regularly. If he was a regular player, he would have recognized creature swap I think
One thing that could be important: Last Turn is supposed to be used when you're about to lose. So the Pokemon version would need to be activated when your opponent has one Prize left, not when you have one card left.
I feel like not showing newer monsters (other then when you showed handtraps) makes it harder for the guests to actually figure out the power level of monsters. A lot of stuff is archetypal now, but showing someone something like Sauge De Fleur, Fenrir, Apollousa, etc could help with this. Or maybe start having people rate archetypes by giving them a few cards.
Hell no. If you show them any new card, chances are they wouldn’t understand the significance of 90% of their kit. It’s better to start old and slowly move to new than start new and go to old
Prohibition was played against me one time when I played back in like 2002. Guy side boarded it in against my burn deck after losing to me a few weeks in a row, declaring just desserts. Unfortunately for him, I already had 2 of them set on the field. Which feels like exactly the example of, “this card just never worked out.”
Yeah, I've had it used against me with my opponent declaring Runick Fountain. But I would just have Runick Destruction or Runick Tip (to search Destruction) in hand, so I'd just pop Prohibition and be on my merry way. I imagine people probably tried this against Sky Striker, but they have archetypal, searchable S/T removal too. Yup, even in decks that live or die based on a single card, it doesn't work. (Or rather, I should say it doesn't do enough _on its own_, and there are too many answers to it in the game.) I think if it wasn't a continuous spell it would be way better, but on the other hand, lingering floodgates are bad for the game, so I'm glad it's not. But at the same time, sometimes I really wish I could just rip every copy of a certain card out of my opponent's deck, so I get why people want to try playing it...
To be completely fair, even if you didn't have the Just Desserts in play, it's a bad card to call, despite being the best burn card at the time. It just wasn't a good match up, a best case scenario Prohibition kills a lot of decks by itself but early burn wasn't one of them.
Prohibition is an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE to Mystic Mine Burn Deck. You got Goddess Skuld's Oracle+Prohibition literally banned any of the outs for Mystic Mine.
Really cool to see Azul pop up back to back on Farfa's channel and now here. Would love to see you get some other Pokemon TCG creators for this to balance out the Hearthstone/MTG folks, perhaps Celio's Network or Andrew Mahone from Tricky Gym?
1:08:34 uh oh, I think there was a confusion here. The leas prize cards you have the closer you are to winning, not losing. The better comparison would be if your OPONENT has only 1 prize card left.
Cimo keep doing this style. It's very entertaining and interesting to hear the other side's perspective of how the card would work in their game or just general knowledge of their game.
I really appreciate the respect content creators clearly have for each others' games; at least enough to be willing to gain a basic understanding for these sorts of videos. Back in my college days, the Yu-Gi-Oh players hated the MtG players and vice versa.
Awesome to see Azul on here. Been watching him for 4 years now and I truly believe that if he were to undertake learning another TCG, he could easily be one of its top players within about two years. As anyone watching could probably tell, Azul has a deep, fundamental understanding of TCGs in general and it did not take him too long to start understanding which cards were good and bad. Great episode Alex, thank you for this one 🙂
@@thonk7611 yes, but if we consider no attacks at all, no matter how many times the player switches, they cannot use an attack, because Paralysis prevents a Pokémon from attacking in the TCG, unless that’s changed in the 20+ years since I last played. Swords would prevent the opponent from attacking for three turns, which means they take a lot a damage no matter which Pokémon they switch into to take the hit. So it’s kinda broken to prevent damage for three whole turns.
i agree that swords would be broken in pokemon. i'm just saying the comparison to paralysis isn't quite right, because you can't paralyze benched pokemon at all.
@@thonk7611 I know, but you can’t attack from the bench either. I’m saying if the benched Pokémon swapped in, it’s basically paralyzed immediately and can’t attack.
Fiber jar does not effect banish zone so it would have a few decks going plus from it and some permanently losing starters No way it comes off the ban list
Huh, that's actually really neat! We had a card in XY for Pokemon called "Lysandre's Trump Card", which was a supporter that shuffled each player's discard pile into their deck, before discarding itself. That was strong enough that it was banned, because it completely removes a way of losing/winning the game if you have more than one (no more cards to draw in deck). This card would not exist in ptcg for sure, though I could see lysandre come back as an ace spec (card type that's super powerful, but only one ace spec per deck), maybe with the caveat that it discards to the lost zone (basically a permanent discard pile) to prevent cycling it.
I love RNG and lols, so I always put Prohibition in my side deck. One time at a regionals, I called Kaiju Slumber and my opponent had two of them in hand and called a judge lmao they are dead cards if called by Prohibition. Funny stuff.
I am really happy with the format of these videos. Cimo gets to talk about Yugioh and do something different than sealed series (as he wished in the start of this year) and the views are good too, which means people really like this type of content. It's a perfect win-win! Credit to where is due though, Rarran seems to have united all the card games communities, and in the end everyone wins!
In Pokemon, the equivalent to you having low life points is your opponent having fewer prize cards. So Last Turn would be card you can only activate if your opponent has 1 prize card, since that's the point where you would be about to lose.
Cimo is totally correct that Fiber Jar probably wouldn't see play. But all it takes is one dude siding it in a feature match to win in time to ruin it for everyone.
Last turn for a pokemon context would make more sense if it followed along the lines of "If your opponent has 1 prize card left" for a requirement because then it would do more with (you are close to losing the game) rather than you having 1 prize card left.
Yeah 'lifepoints' in pokemon would be your lifepoints are high if your opponent has a lot of prizecards left, they're low if they have almost no prizes left. Since no one would play the last turn equivalent like Azul said if you had one prize card left yourself you'd rather just try to KO an opposing pokemon to take the last prize card to win and last turn doesn't really do that.
AzulGG was an awesome guests. Since I used to play the Pokemon TCG I could better understand his reasoning compared to the other guests. This series in general has been awesome for bringing in outside perspectives Cimo.
Poor Hino-Kagu never stood a chance, they didn't even have to go into the fact that it returns back to your hand after all that work to show how unplayable it would be today
They started by reprinting into with different professor names, but eventually they just unified it into a generic name they could keep printing with multiple arts but was clearly the same card (for deckbuilding rules purposes).
pokemon has a "mana" MTG inspired resource system along with a very hard limit win-condition at 6 prize cards. So it makes sense that it feels very weird from a Yu-Gi-Oh perspective. You can't really cheat your way to an instant win on Turn 1 like with Yu-Gi-Oh. there are alternate win conditions like deck out, or exodia-esque meme decks, but nothing close to FTKs. The ones that did exist got TPCi to change rules and ban cards over the years. In pokemon, FTKs are called donks and theres few formats where those were possible. The most egregious instance was during BW standard where Sabledonk would've been the best strategy, but fortunately there was an emergency rotation that avoided it.
Kudos to you Cimo for showing the cards from the other TCG when the guesser mentioned it. Even the assembler of the Cardvengers is too lazy to include those. :D
i remember one duel in highschool that dragged out for so long i actually won by playing swords of revealing light and my friend decked out during those three turns, that was fun!
You should definitely do one with Snnuy from Legends of Runeterra. Ask Rarran for his contact info. It will be a blast and you might add more variety to these type of videos. Keep up the good work.
I love these videos. I love them too much. I'm addicted. Please help me. Release more of these videos. I need more. I need so much more. Why don't people make more? I stop whatever I'm doing to watch these when they release.
I wish Universal Fighting System still existed. That card game you drew your hand size every turn. Playing out as much of your hand and cycling the deck was a strategy.
The main takeaway with Pokémon and Yugioh is that Trainer Cards have a Support card which is basically a Normal Summon but for a Subset of Spells/Traps
Cimo, I used to play Traditional Format, but, yeah, even when I played Traditional Format in 2009-2011, I've only met like 12 people who also enjoyed Traditional... IMHO it's actually better than Advanced, because there's a lot of good old decks, that can match the modern decks tempo, but since they're not playable in Advanced, for example PsychicFTK, due to Mind Master being banned. And yeah, but it's just a very tiny part of the playerbase that plays it. And there's the 3rd format, The Unrestricted Format, which was me and my friends favourite format, because we had a lot of banned cards, like binders full of just banned cards. And that was only fun to play when they hadn't errata'd all the fun cards.
I would love to see you have a video where your Guests react to our different Summoning Types, or one where they react to Archetypes. Maybe even as a Group
If you can bring in some people from smaller games (Lorcana, SWU, Universus, some of the Bandai games) it would be great to see an 8-man cross TCG tournament. It would be fun to see who would come out on top in each others' games.
Cimo ya did it you got a pokemon tcg guy in here. Now we need him to complete the tour with Rarran and CGB and then yall gotta take your turn in his hotseat for fun!!
Yessss creature swap mention!! My all-time favorite card Here's my creature swap story. I was at locals and it was mid-week no tournaments but there was alot of people in the shop, so the owner pulled out a big box of cards told us to make decks and he would run a tournament for us. I was in finals about to lose with only enemy controller in hand ,my opponent had #11 big eye BLS and darkflare dragon on the field. I top deck creature swap, my tree born comes out of grave Econ take big eye tree born comes back because it's still standby, it goes to attack I creature swap take his darkflare then big eye the BLS. It was one of my favorite plays just because the setting and I was 100% about to lose
Never seen this guy, immediately likeable. Immediately relaxed, humble without being self-depreciating, chill. Just, yeah, immediately pleasant to listen to.
I wonder if a card called "Ungraceful Charity" with an effect of, "Discard two cards for cost if you do draw 3. (You can word it differently if need be so that the cards sent don't trigger discard effects as necessary) Hard Once Per Turn" it'd still be net neutral and dig three cards deep, but it restricts handshaping a significant amount relative to the original and you can use it to draw out of a dead hand with less than 2 cards in it.
Fiber jar has a pretty novel application. If you can use soul release or the like to strip your opponent's graveyard of key cards then use Fiber Jar to reset the board except your opponent will be down several cards.
Please get Magic player Brian Coval - Bosh n Roll for one of these. He specializes in eternal magic formats, and I think he would give some interesting perspective.
I would definitely like to see a video where you get a bunch of the past guest and have them learn a deck and play a small tournament and could even bring in other yugitubers to help and coach
In Pokemon TCG, I'm just thinking Painful Choice would be a nuts tech for V-UNION decks. It's basically a way to turbo a V-UNION on to the field. Context: V-UNIONs are basically the Pokemon version of Rush Duel's Maximum summoning, the cards are split into 4 pieces and join together into one giant card but you have to get all 4 corners into the discard pile. With Painful Choice you could just select all 4 corners of the V-UNION as well as some other throwaway card (maybe something else useful in the discard pile) then discard the last V-UNION with an item like Ultra Ball. Instant turn 1 V-UNION
This is like one of those glorious crossovers in TV/Film where a character from one show you love pops up in another show and you lose your mind! 2 of my favourite UA-camrs combining!!!! Geek out!
37:10 He's not counting those properly though, he's counting the two cards as if they were two extra cards, but one of them you'd have drawn anyway. So you only get +1 per turn. So you spend 6 card to activate it, get 2, you're at minus 4 on activation and then it takes 4 turns to go neutral, so it takes 5 turn to draw an extra card from this.
Man, I'm honestly a bit surprised that Azul missed so much on the Fiber Jar given that Pokémon LITERALLY had the same card in Lysandre's Trump Card and that was so good it had to be banned... in a game that doesn't do bans!
Fiber is definitely a lot more intense than Lysandre, but yeah it would basically nullify Mill decks moreso than Lysandre did. Imagine Stallax with it though...
I haven't played yoghioh at a high level, but it seems like fiber jar would put your opponent at an advantage if it was triggered as a flip effect on your opponents turn. It would remove all of your cards and give your opponent a full hand to finish their turn with.
This is great! Love Azul! Would also love to see Tricky Gym, Little Dark Fury, or PTCGRadio if you ever wanted to do an episode with another Pokemon TCG player!
One thing about Fiber Jar. If your opponent has key cards banished, their deck will be significantly slowed down, if not crippled, after it resolves. Also, lots of cards get banished after being used (like Psy-Framegear Gamma), or to summon other cards. Also, if you temporally banish a monster before activating Fiber Jar, it will come back, so you could basically start a new duel with a boss monster (like Last Warrior from Another Planet) already on the field. And, Painful Choice in pokemon would work in soke decks. Some attacks deal more damage based on what's on your discard pile, or can play energies from there. You basically do the entire setup, or half of it, by activating only one card (and you activate it for free).
Azul, charity is a +0. Its just a filterer. And we run TONS of -1/+0 filters in pokemon. It's very good, but it's objectively worse than cards like trainer's mail which was a look at 4 pick 1 item (in decks that ran 30-40 items).
@@Ollig999 I mean neither is it in Pokemon. I don't play competitively so I don't know how many top decks do this, but there are a lot of effects in Pokemon that recycle cards from the discard pile.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 sure, I won't deny that. But in pokemon, *most* of the time you basically have access to most of your deck at any point with how many tutor cards there are. Some decks like having things in the discard, but many do not. It would be played, but it is far from the "best" card we've ever seen.
discarding two cards is objectively not that bad in pokemon either. i mean, we play ultra ball. graceful charity would be insane in battle pass format, or with propagation egg. on it's own, it would still be a pretty insane card. definitely better than trainer's mail which has a chance to whiff and doesn't hand sculpt, it only replaces itself (charity can turn bad cards into good ones as well)
As a kid, I loved playing decks centered around using flip and trap cards and that made Fiber Jar really fun for me. No matter how much I would burn through my cards for their effects, I can just refresh my hand and deck and continue from there. I didn't even consider it to be annoying. Just a strong control card.
I doubt Fiber Jar will come out, imagine if Konami makes more support for Flip monsters like flip a guy and cannot be negated, it would break the game right away. So future proof would be a thing
Cimoooooo: to correct you with megamorph, if your life points is higher you can equiped to your opponent monster for them to have half the original attack. In goat format it work the way descripte it strait up change the original attack double or half and since it is a continuous effect if the life points change it will also effect how megamorph applied its effect. The modern way now specified that it change the current attack to equal half or double the original attack depending if your life point is higher or lower then you opponent changeing the way it work. But it both case they cannot stack.
I'm surprised that Fiber Jar didn't make him think of Lysandre's Trump Card! One of the most infamous cards in the Pokemon TCG for being one of the ONLY cards ever banned in standard, since its effect was so toxic: Both players shuffle their discard piles into their decks The field is left alone, but it gave control/stall decks the ability to make a game go on infinitely. They banned it in STANDARD because it was just that bad
Prohibition reminds me of Contraband in Dominion; a fairly cheap Treasure Card that gives you the same amount of Coin as a Gold, but as a downside the player to your left names any card and then you can no longer buy that card for the rest of the turn.
Fiber jar: The ongoing effect of virus cards persists after its flipped, and banned cards do not return to the deck So when the game soft resets its possible to wipe their entire hand or play return from another dimension to summon all banned monsters
Scenario taht might be more common than you might not realise; Opponent searches card. you use Droll and lock bird. They attack into fiber jar. They shuffle everything to deck and do not draw. Have fun.
so, I am not as convinced that Fiber Jar could come off easily, but my concern is largely from one bracket of effects. i had thought there were two, but upon looking at the rules, "when this leaves the field" doesn't actually work if it goes back the deck. Which leaves us with "Unaffected by card effects" as the cards that scare me. The worst case scenario i see is if a player manages to bait their opponent into removing Waking the Dragon, they get Raidraptor - Rising Rebellion Falcon for free, then flip the fiber jar. the Raptor is unaffected by the effect, so you now just get free rein with a 4000 beat stick that is effectively untouchable to go along with your reloaded hand. the last issue i could see is that it nullifies the starting coin-toss, except now the first turn player can also attack (if it was flipped manually). as a tertiary note, it doesn't return anything that has been banished, so you could potentially attrition out that way, if you keep catching your opponent with a couple of banishing effects, be it Called by the Grave, Dimensional Prison or whatever else(i can't name more, but know i've been caught by others before), if they aren't playing an archetype that very specifically recovers well from banish, they now just slowly bleed out. i can only really compare it to magic because i can't think of any hearthstone effects like it, but magic doesn't really have much like this either. It's got a few cards that are close-ISH, but they have some alteration that makes the game after the resolution quicker. the three that i know of either set both players life to 7, which i compare to 3000 life points, they put a bunch of lands on the field so both players have mana, or it restarts the game, but then puts two or three other cards you banished with it onto the field to start the game, so you've probably won because now you start with a creature that can literally one-shot your opponent.
Oh and one thing about fiber jar in pokemon that would be weird to broken is if it's draw 5 imagine they don't draw a pokemon to have as their active pokemon, would they shuffle up and draw again until they have a pokemon to be their active? Since you lose in pokemon if your active pokemon is KO'ed and you have no bench pokemon to replace it with unless they changed the rules since I'm going off of gameboy color pokemon games where that is the case.
Hey Cimo, been watching a lot of these videos, and they're pretty enjoyable! But I was wondering if maybe you could cover in a video why it isnt feasible to sideboard in back row hate for cards that "prevent you from playing the game" i.e. Rivalry of Warriors, Mystic Mine, etc and other similar cards out there. I've played a bit of Yu Gi Oh but im not the most familiar with the modern format. Is it just because sideboarding in removal makes all the combo decks less consistent? If that's the case then maybe some of those cards arent the worst thing ever because they would force you to deal with them instead of comboing for a kill on turn 2 or something
Talking about Pokemon SPs! Oh my gosh that unlocked a core memory for me!! Wow!! The good old days of Pokemon TCG when it was at it's peak of fun! I miss the old days
love that all the tcg ccs now share a cinematic universe
Rarran created a whole genre lmao
Also, your podcast helped push me to get treatment for adhd during the pandemic ❤
@@Ollig999 No, Rarran did not create the format. He popularized it.
@@mawillix2018rarran created all tcgs that's why he is the king of all card games fr fr
@@basementhomie2674so true, you dropped this 👑
I like that you kept encouraging him to relate the cards to those in Pokemon, it really shows that you have a good understanding of what makes these videos so fun, which is getting to see the different perspectives and learn how other cars games are played.
We now need a battle royale with azul, raran, and Covert go blue on rating cards
4 way lorcana card rating
@@dudeweedlmao8519you are spoiling their Christmas video lmao
YES WE NEED THEM ALL IN THE SAME VIDEO
@@fairy__nova prettyy 😲✨
Rarran gonna be winning since he is the OG cc to learn YGO stuff
2:09 To clarify, Supporter cards are once-per-turn for ALL Supporter cards.
For example, if you play 1 Professor Juniper, you can’t also play 1 Iono in the same turn.
Thanks Jake.
So like the Mulcharmies ?
@@dudono1744 It's like normal summoning, you get one per turn total.
@jakegearhart you should actually put this to clarify for the dummies like me
I had a deck once where i could use 3 supporter per turn.
1 extra from an Ability and 1 more from an Attack.
But thats the exception and not the norm , it also felt super imbalanced that time.
Now we need a video where Cimo, Rarran, CGB and Azul take turns to present 3 cards each from their respective games and all the others have to guess gow good they are. It would be fun to have a 4 way call.
The CG round table
Worth noting that MtG and Pokemon players count turns differently. In most card games other than Yugioh, it turn 2 is after both you and your opponent have had their first turn. That is to say, turns are in terms of both players. So when he says "My understanding is Yugioh games end by turn 3" he probably meant turn 5/6 in Yugioh terms.
He said he played goat. So he should know what turns mean in ygo
@@itsomegali5342 I think it is more that he had played goat before, not that he plays regularly. If he was a regular player, he would have recognized creature swap I think
I don't know, man some Yu.Gio.Decks can win before your opponent gets a turn to play so it's very possible
Only 23 minutes in so far but he has more than once made the distinction between opponents turn and your turn.
Nah turn 3 is pretty much when the game is mechanically concluded, it's really decided on turn 0.
One thing that could be important: Last Turn is supposed to be used when you're about to lose. So the Pokemon version would need to be activated when your opponent has one Prize left, not when you have one card left.
I was gonna say this. Glad I wasn't the only one.
Yea I feel like that’s what Cimo meant to convey but misspoke. Like the whole point is that you’re about to lose and it’s your “Last Turn”.
Agreed. Glad someone made the clarification
I feel like not showing newer monsters (other then when you showed handtraps) makes it harder for the guests to actually figure out the power level of monsters. A lot of stuff is archetypal now, but showing someone something like Sauge De Fleur, Fenrir, Apollousa, etc could help with this. Or maybe start having people rate archetypes by giving them a few cards.
Hell no. If you show them any new card, chances are they wouldn’t understand the significance of 90% of their kit. It’s better to start old and slowly move to new than start new and go to old
I wanna see him show like... Exodia parts, exodia, the gods, the gx gods, seal of orochalcos etc.
My man goes from Farfa to Cimo instantly, I love it
Prohibition was played against me one time when I played back in like 2002. Guy side boarded it in against my burn deck after losing to me a few weeks in a row, declaring just desserts. Unfortunately for him, I already had 2 of them set on the field. Which feels like exactly the example of, “this card just never worked out.”
Yeah, I've had it used against me with my opponent declaring Runick Fountain. But I would just have Runick Destruction or Runick Tip (to search Destruction) in hand, so I'd just pop Prohibition and be on my merry way. I imagine people probably tried this against Sky Striker, but they have archetypal, searchable S/T removal too. Yup, even in decks that live or die based on a single card, it doesn't work. (Or rather, I should say it doesn't do enough _on its own_, and there are too many answers to it in the game.) I think if it wasn't a continuous spell it would be way better, but on the other hand, lingering floodgates are bad for the game, so I'm glad it's not. But at the same time, sometimes I really wish I could just rip every copy of a certain card out of my opponent's deck, so I get why people want to try playing it...
To be completely fair, even if you didn't have the Just Desserts in play, it's a bad card to call, despite being the best burn card at the time. It just wasn't a good match up, a best case scenario Prohibition kills a lot of decks by itself but early burn wasn't one of them.
Prohibition is an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE to Mystic Mine Burn Deck. You got Goddess Skuld's Oracle+Prohibition literally banned any of the outs for Mystic Mine.
Really cool to see Azul pop up back to back on Farfa's channel and now here. Would love to see you get some other Pokemon TCG creators for this to balance out the Hearthstone/MTG folks, perhaps Celio's Network or Andrew Mahone from Tricky Gym?
The Poke goat on a yugioh video… that’s crazy
I was wondering why I recognized azul. I did just c him yesterday on farfa’s channel.
1:08:34 uh oh, I think there was a confusion here. The leas prize cards you have the closer you are to winning, not losing. The better comparison would be if your OPONENT has only 1 prize card left.
Cimo keep doing this style. It's very entertaining and interesting to hear the other side's perspective of how the card would work in their game or just general knowledge of their game.
I really appreciate the respect content creators clearly have for each others' games; at least enough to be willing to gain a basic understanding for these sorts of videos. Back in my college days, the Yu-Gi-Oh players hated the MtG players and vice versa.
Awesome to see Azul on here. Been watching him for 4 years now and I truly believe that if he were to undertake learning another TCG, he could easily be one of its top players within about two years. As anyone watching could probably tell, Azul has a deep, fundamental understanding of TCGs in general and it did not take him too long to start understanding which cards were good and bad. Great episode Alex, thank you for this one 🙂
We need a Digimon TCG pro now
In Pokémon, Swords is just three turns of Paralysis for the entire team.
kinda but worth noting that paralysis only goes on the active pokemon, so players almost always get a natural out to that kind of thing
@@thonk7611 yes, but if we consider no attacks at all, no matter how many times the player switches, they cannot use an attack, because Paralysis prevents a Pokémon from attacking in the TCG, unless that’s changed in the 20+ years since I last played. Swords would prevent the opponent from attacking for three turns, which means they take a lot a damage no matter which Pokémon they switch into to take the hit. So it’s kinda broken to prevent damage for three whole turns.
i agree that swords would be broken in pokemon. i'm just saying the comparison to paralysis isn't quite right, because you can't paralyze benched pokemon at all.
@@thonk7611 I know, but you can’t attack from the bench either. I’m saying if the benched Pokémon swapped in, it’s basically paralyzed immediately and can’t attack.
@@RedDragonForce2 thats pretty accurate
Fiber jar does not effect banish zone so it would have a few decks going plus from it and some permanently losing starters
No way it comes off the ban list
Also it doesn't shuffle itself back if it dies when it gets flipped.
Not even the reason why it's banned
Huh, that's actually really neat! We had a card in XY for Pokemon called "Lysandre's Trump Card", which was a supporter that shuffled each player's discard pile into their deck, before discarding itself. That was strong enough that it was banned, because it completely removes a way of losing/winning the game if you have more than one (no more cards to draw in deck).
This card would not exist in ptcg for sure, though I could see lysandre come back as an ace spec (card type that's super powerful, but only one ace spec per deck), maybe with the caveat that it discards to the lost zone (basically a permanent discard pile) to prevent cycling it.
Omg, the Creature Swap segment made me realize that you could absolutely make that mechanic by making a Snag Machine
I love RNG and lols, so I always put Prohibition in my side deck. One time at a regionals, I called Kaiju Slumber and my opponent had two of them in hand and called a judge lmao they are dead cards if called by Prohibition. Funny stuff.
I remember collecting so many Pokemon cards as a kid but i had no idea how to actually play the game. The art was just so cool
damn his intuition is really great, you can tell he really is a great TCG player
Bro got tired of losing so he studied up for Farfas video 😂😂 He’s day and night in this and Farfas video
56:33 Not sure if Azul remembers this, but we had Hippowdon Lvl. X way back in the day, and it was basically this effect.
I am really happy with the format of these videos. Cimo gets to talk about Yugioh and do something different than sealed series (as he wished in the start of this year) and the views are good too, which means people really like this type of content. It's a perfect win-win! Credit to where is due though, Rarran seems to have united all the card games communities, and in the end everyone wins!
Wow two Card Game Masters with Blue in their names in a row
we have one for pokemon, magic, and yughioh.
azulgg (pokemon)
CGB (magic)
and MBT (yughioh obviously)
@@azurefoxbh9280 someone quick make a conlang where rarran translates to blue
In Pokemon, the equivalent to you having low life points is your opponent having fewer prize cards. So Last Turn would be card you can only activate if your opponent has 1 prize card, since that's the point where you would be about to lose.
Cimo is totally correct that Fiber Jar probably wouldn't see play. But all it takes is one dude siding it in a feature match to win in time to ruin it for everyone.
Last turn for a pokemon context would make more sense if it followed along the lines of "If your opponent has 1 prize card left" for a requirement because then it would do more with (you are close to losing the game) rather than you having 1 prize card left.
Yeah 'lifepoints' in pokemon would be your lifepoints are high if your opponent has a lot of prizecards left, they're low if they have almost no prizes left. Since no one would play the last turn equivalent like Azul said if you had one prize card left yourself you'd rather just try to KO an opposing pokemon to take the last prize card to win and last turn doesn't really do that.
I think that’s what Cimo meant to convey but misspoke.
Honestly interesting to hear this. Even as a big Pokémon fan, I've never been able to make sense of the tcg for it at all. I'm just get cards.
AzulGG was an awesome guests. Since I used to play the Pokemon TCG I could better understand his reasoning compared to the other guests. This series in general has been awesome for bringing in outside perspectives Cimo.
Poor Hino-Kagu never stood a chance, they didn't even have to go into the fact that it returns back to your hand after all that work to show how unplayable it would be today
TIL Professor Oak got turned into Professor's Research
They started by reprinting into with different professor names, but eventually they just unified it into a generic name they could keep printing with multiple arts but was clearly the same card (for deckbuilding rules purposes).
I feel like Magic, Yugi, Heartstone, and most weird stuff kinda plays more similar than the pokemon TCG which feels foreign to me as a Yugi player.
pokemon has a "mana" MTG inspired resource system along with a very hard limit win-condition at 6 prize cards. So it makes sense that it feels very weird from a Yu-Gi-Oh perspective. You can't really cheat your way to an instant win on Turn 1 like with Yu-Gi-Oh.
there are alternate win conditions like deck out, or exodia-esque meme decks, but nothing close to FTKs. The ones that did exist got TPCi to change rules and ban cards over the years. In pokemon, FTKs are called donks and theres few formats where those were possible. The most egregious instance was during BW standard where Sabledonk would've been the best strategy, but fortunately there was an emergency rotation that avoided it.
Kudos to you Cimo for showing the cards from the other TCG when the guesser mentioned it. Even the assembler of the Cardvengers is too lazy to include those. :D
i remember one duel in highschool that dragged out for so long i actually won by playing swords of revealing light and my friend decked out during those three turns, that was fun!
You should definitely do one with Snnuy from Legends of Runeterra. Ask Rarran for his contact info. It will be a blast and you might add more variety to these type of videos. Keep up the good work.
Shame Runeterra isn't a PvP game anymore
I love these videos. I love them too much. I'm addicted. Please help me. Release more of these videos. I need more. I need so much more. Why don't people make more? I stop whatever I'm doing to watch these when they release.
I wish Universal Fighting System still existed. That card game you drew your hand size every turn. Playing out as much of your hand and cycling the deck was a strategy.
I was really waiting for you to pull up Morganite after Guarded Treasure. "Now what if you DIDN'T have to discard 5 cards??"
10:29 "That's anothed thing I don't understand. All the summoning mechanics" Me: "Ya Yugioh players barely get all that either"
The main takeaway with Pokémon and Yugioh is that Trainer Cards have a Support card which is basically a Normal Summon but for a Subset of Spells/Traps
Cimo, I used to play Traditional Format, but, yeah, even when I played Traditional Format in 2009-2011, I've only met like 12 people who also enjoyed Traditional...
IMHO it's actually better than Advanced, because there's a lot of good old decks, that can match the modern decks tempo, but since they're not playable in Advanced, for example PsychicFTK, due to Mind Master being banned. And yeah, but it's just a very tiny part of the playerbase that plays it. And there's the 3rd format, The Unrestricted Format, which was me and my friends favourite format, because we had a lot of banned cards, like binders full of just banned cards. And that was only fun to play when they hadn't errata'd all the fun cards.
I would love to see you have a video where your Guests react to our different Summoning Types, or one where they react to Archetypes. Maybe even as a Group
I am a magic player.
The extended universe has me sold and I have ended up here regardless!
If you can bring in some people from smaller games (Lorcana, SWU, Universus, some of the Bandai games) it would be great to see an 8-man cross TCG tournament. It would be fun to see who would come out on top in each others' games.
Cimo ya did it you got a pokemon tcg guy in here. Now we need him to complete the tour with Rarran and CGB and then yall gotta take your turn in his hotseat for fun!!
Yessss creature swap mention!! My all-time favorite card
Here's my creature swap story.
I was at locals and it was mid-week no tournaments but there was alot of people in the shop, so the owner pulled out a big box of cards told us to make decks and he would run a tournament for us. I was in finals about to lose with only enemy controller in hand ,my opponent had #11 big eye BLS and darkflare dragon on the field. I top deck creature swap, my tree born comes out of grave Econ take big eye tree born comes back because it's still standby, it goes to attack I creature swap take his darkflare then big eye the BLS. It was one of my favorite plays just because the setting and I was 100% about to lose
Never seen this guy, immediately likeable. Immediately relaxed, humble without being self-depreciating, chill. Just, yeah, immediately pleasant to listen to.
I wonder if a card called "Ungraceful Charity" with an effect of, "Discard two cards for cost if you do draw 3. (You can word it differently if need be so that the cards sent don't trigger discard effects as necessary) Hard Once Per Turn" it'd still be net neutral and dig three cards deep, but it restricts handshaping a significant amount relative to the original and you can use it to draw out of a dead hand with less than 2 cards in it.
"X is an interesting card" about to reach "Damage Step" and "However.." levels of repeatability
Fiber jar has a pretty novel application. If you can use soul release or the like to strip your opponent's graveyard of key cards then use Fiber Jar to reset the board except your opponent will be down several cards.
Please get Magic player Brian Coval - Bosh n Roll for one of these. He specializes in eternal magic formats, and I think he would give some interesting perspective.
I would definitely like to see a video where you get a bunch of the past guest and have them learn a deck and play a small tournament and could even bring in other yugitubers to help and coach
I’m 100% with you on Painful Choice being the most powerful card ever made
In Pokemon TCG, I'm just thinking Painful Choice would be a nuts tech for V-UNION decks. It's basically a way to turbo a V-UNION on to the field. Context: V-UNIONs are basically the Pokemon version of Rush Duel's Maximum summoning, the cards are split into 4 pieces and join together into one giant card but you have to get all 4 corners into the discard pile. With Painful Choice you could just select all 4 corners of the V-UNION as well as some other throwaway card (maybe something else useful in the discard pile) then discard the last V-UNION with an item like Ultra Ball. Instant turn 1 V-UNION
Night March, Lugia Archeops, Regis, you could do a lot with what is basically a better Battle Compressor
This is like one of those glorious crossovers in TV/Film where a character from one show you love pops up in another show and you lose your mind! 2 of my favourite UA-camrs combining!!!! Geek out!
37:10 He's not counting those properly though, he's counting the two cards as if they were two extra cards, but one of them you'd have drawn anyway. So you only get +1 per turn.
So you spend 6 card to activate it, get 2, you're at minus 4 on activation and then it takes 4 turns to go neutral, so it takes 5 turn to draw an extra card from this.
AZUL lets gooooo!!!!!! So happy to see you collaborate with the double G! Please bring him back for more please please
As a side note, last turn's pokemon equivalent would be that your opponent has one prize card remaining not yourself!
I have droll at 2 to help counter Maxx C in Master Duel. So his comment about unhealthy formats got a laugh out of me.
For Last Turn, rather than say “You have 1 Prize Card”, say it like “When your opponent has 1 Prize Card remaining”.
Man, I'm honestly a bit surprised that Azul missed so much on the Fiber Jar given that Pokémon LITERALLY had the same card in Lysandre's Trump Card and that was so good it had to be banned... in a game that doesn't do bans!
Fiber is definitely a lot more intense than Lysandre, but yeah it would basically nullify Mill decks moreso than Lysandre did. Imagine Stallax with it though...
I haven't played yoghioh at a high level, but it seems like fiber jar would put your opponent at an advantage if it was triggered as a flip effect on your opponents turn. It would remove all of your cards and give your opponent a full hand to finish their turn with.
Guarded Treasure, now that's a card that I haven't seen or heard of in an extremely long time. Wasn't expecting to see it at all.
Gotta love how most of the reactions to YGO cards so far have been "what the hell is this!?" due to the sheer insanity they get up to lmao
This is great! Love Azul! Would also love to see Tricky Gym, Little Dark Fury, or PTCGRadio if you ever wanted to do an episode with another Pokemon TCG player!
Please do a video where AzulGG has you look at Pokemon cards.
One thing about Fiber Jar. If your opponent has key cards banished, their deck will be significantly slowed down, if not crippled, after it resolves. Also, lots of cards get banished after being used (like Psy-Framegear Gamma), or to summon other cards. Also, if you temporally banish a monster before activating Fiber Jar, it will come back, so you could basically start a new duel with a boss monster (like Last Warrior from Another Planet) already on the field.
And, Painful Choice in pokemon would work in soke decks. Some attacks deal more damage based on what's on your discard pile, or can play energies from there. You basically do the entire setup, or half of it, by activating only one card (and you activate it for free).
Fiber Jar can now be searched with Mimighoul Maker, and since the effect is symmetrical it hardly matters which player gets it.
Azul, charity is a +0. Its just a filterer. And we run TONS of -1/+0 filters in pokemon. It's very good, but it's objectively worse than cards like trainer's mail which was a look at 4 pick 1 item (in decks that ran 30-40 items).
In yugioh, though, having your cards in the grave isn’t always a bad thing
@@Ollig999 I mean neither is it in Pokemon. I don't play competitively so I don't know how many top decks do this, but there are a lot of effects in Pokemon that recycle cards from the discard pile.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 sure, I won't deny that. But in pokemon, *most* of the time you basically have access to most of your deck at any point with how many tutor cards there are. Some decks like having things in the discard, but many do not. It would be played, but it is far from the "best" card we've ever seen.
discarding two cards is objectively not that bad in pokemon either. i mean, we play ultra ball.
graceful charity would be insane in battle pass format, or with propagation egg. on it's own, it would still be a pretty insane card. definitely better than trainer's mail which has a chance to whiff and doesn't hand sculpt, it only replaces itself (charity can turn bad cards into good ones as well)
@@DJKokaKola I don’t know anything abt Pokémon haha was just explaining that the card advantage from graceful is often much more than +0 lol
Effect Veiler is probably most similar to Canceling Cologne, which only can be played on your turn, but it sees play currently
Cimo is priming himself to make his own Card game at this point lol
As a kid, I loved playing decks centered around using flip and trap cards and that made Fiber Jar really fun for me. No matter how much I would burn through my cards for their effects, I can just refresh my hand and deck and continue from there. I didn't even consider it to be annoying. Just a strong control card.
Ahhh love this
Perfect to clean my house with lol
Great timing brotha
I doubt Fiber Jar will come out, imagine if Konami makes more support for Flip monsters like flip a guy and cannot be negated, it would break the game right away. So future proof would be a thing
Cimoooooo: to correct you with megamorph, if your life points is higher you can equiped to your opponent monster for them to have half the original attack. In goat format it work the way descripte it strait up change the original attack double or half and since it is a continuous effect if the life points change it will also effect how megamorph applied its effect. The modern way now specified that it change the current attack to equal half or double the original attack depending if your life point is higher or lower then you opponent changeing the way it work. But it both case they cannot stack.
Fiber Jar does not shuffle itself if attacked into
Love fibre jar so funny, especially when the effect goes off
Like cards go weeeeeeeee
Effect veiler is pretty much power spray 1:1 but without having you need to have 2+ sp
Yo, awesome to see Azul on the channel! Now all we need is Marvel Snap phenom KMBest
You gotta show people R10 Trains.
Painful choice would go crazy in Lugia
I'm surprised that Fiber Jar didn't make him think of Lysandre's Trump Card! One of the most infamous cards in the Pokemon TCG for being one of the ONLY cards ever banned in standard, since its effect was so toxic:
Both players shuffle their discard piles into their decks
The field is left alone, but it gave control/stall decks the ability to make a game go on infinitely. They banned it in STANDARD because it was just that bad
I absolutely love this series. Keep it up, brother. ✨️🙏✨️✝️
Graceful Charity is one of the cards that has steadily gotten more powerful overtime
Plz do one with Snnuy who plays Legends of Runeterra
34:45 when I hear the name of a card I’ve literally never heard of before I know that card is straight garbage lmao
Prohibition reminds me of Contraband in Dominion; a fairly cheap Treasure Card that gives you the same amount of Coin as a Gold, but as a downside the player to your left names any card and then you can no longer buy that card for the rest of the turn.
Fiber jar: The ongoing effect of virus cards persists after its flipped, and banned cards do not return to the deck
So when the game soft resets its possible to wipe their entire hand or play return from another dimension to summon all banned monsters
Scenario taht might be more common than you might not realise;
Opponent searches card. you use Droll and lock bird. They attack into fiber jar. They shuffle everything to deck and do not draw.
Have fun.
But you also shuffle everything into deck and can’t draw?
@@drdca8263 exactly. Do you want this kind of thing to happend? Nope.
@@netter11 Maybe I do want it. Maybe the duel should be fisticuffs at the parking lot instead of a civilized children's card game
I'll flip a Weather Report. Double Battle Phase!
so, I am not as convinced that Fiber Jar could come off easily, but my concern is largely from one bracket of effects. i had thought there were two, but upon looking at the rules, "when this leaves the field" doesn't actually work if it goes back the deck. Which leaves us with "Unaffected by card effects" as the cards that scare me. The worst case scenario i see is if a player manages to bait their opponent into removing Waking the Dragon, they get Raidraptor - Rising Rebellion Falcon for free, then flip the fiber jar. the Raptor is unaffected by the effect, so you now just get free rein with a 4000 beat stick that is effectively untouchable to go along with your reloaded hand. the last issue i could see is that it nullifies the starting coin-toss, except now the first turn player can also attack (if it was flipped manually).
as a tertiary note, it doesn't return anything that has been banished, so you could potentially attrition out that way, if you keep catching your opponent with a couple of banishing effects, be it Called by the Grave, Dimensional Prison or whatever else(i can't name more, but know i've been caught by others before), if they aren't playing an archetype that very specifically recovers well from banish, they now just slowly bleed out.
i can only really compare it to magic because i can't think of any hearthstone effects like it, but magic doesn't really have much like this either. It's got a few cards that are close-ISH, but they have some alteration that makes the game after the resolution quicker. the three that i know of either set both players life to 7, which i compare to 3000 life points, they put a bunch of lands on the field so both players have mana, or it restarts the game, but then puts two or three other cards you banished with it onto the field to start the game, so you've probably won because now you start with a creature that can literally one-shot your opponent.
Oh and one thing about fiber jar in pokemon that would be weird to broken is if it's draw 5 imagine they don't draw a pokemon to have as their active pokemon, would they shuffle up and draw again until they have a pokemon to be their active? Since you lose in pokemon if your active pokemon is KO'ed and you have no bench pokemon to replace it with unless they changed the rules since I'm going off of gameboy color pokemon games where that is the case.
Hey Cimo, been watching a lot of these videos, and they're pretty enjoyable! But I was wondering if maybe you could cover in a video why it isnt feasible to sideboard in back row hate for cards that "prevent you from playing the game" i.e. Rivalry of Warriors, Mystic Mine, etc and other similar cards out there. I've played a bit of Yu Gi Oh but im not the most familiar with the modern format. Is it just because sideboarding in removal makes all the combo decks less consistent? If that's the case then maybe some of those cards arent the worst thing ever because they would force you to deal with them instead of comboing for a kill on turn 2 or something
Talking about Pokemon SPs! Oh my gosh that unlocked a core memory for me!! Wow!! The good old days of Pokemon TCG when it was at it's peak of fun! I miss the old days
Why did the editor cut off his talking point for guarded treasure? He literally didn't finish his assessment of the card before cimoo came in talking.
I used Effect Veiler as a random tuner so many times. Droll & Lock Bird can't do that.
Funniest thing I’ve done with a ruler was summon Savage Dragon in Cyberdarks
*Veiler
You should show Rarran or someone Legendary Shi En.
Take a drink every time Cimo says "Its pretty funny"