When The Slickest Boxer Met Boxing's Golden Boy
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2023
- Oscar De La Hoya and Pernell Whitaker faced off in a fight billed as “Pound for Pound.” Ranked as The Ring Magazine’s #2 and #3 fighters on the pound-for-pound list, the bout’s moniker wasn’t simply marketing. The fight turned out be one of the most controversial ever, with the Mexican American showcasing incredible offense and Sweat Pea displaying otherworldly defense.
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Great video, I love Pernell Whitaker’s defense in this fight
Can you do a boxing breakdown on the Muhammad Ali vs Floyd Patterson1
1965 Loss Vegas fight
Whitaker got ROBBED, and you know it.
Love ur vids and how long youve been doing this for man
Another great vid. Would love to see a breakdown of the controversial meldrick taylor vs julio cesar chavez fight
Pls do a detailed breakdown on Dmitry Bivol's jab.
I always wonder if De La Hoya would've found success in some of his losses had he developed a stronger ability to be a switch hitter
Training the other side requires twice the work
@@joys8634it takes overtime to be a Goat
He switches at night
Whitaker was a defensive master-piece but he just didn't take advantage of De la Hoya committing by catching him with good counters.
Oscar De La Hoya vs. Pernell Whitaker is one of the best boxing fights of all times, and yet not enough credited so.
The hunger to win, the action, the fast pace, the nice punches thrown, the great defense made, the ring inteligence displayed etc. this was a fight that had all
you could ask for in a top billed world championship class fight P4P.
Whitaker made him miss and look a little duped at times but he didn’t have enough offence to actually win the fight. De La Hoya was doing enough to keep him at bay and his aggresive approach and power advantage was what made the outcome to his favour, even by a small margin.
I thought you also get points for defence in boxing ...
@@majormononoke8958 Yes in diploma level of boxing = kids level. There you can get points for solid defense skills.
In boxing there is a 10 point system. The winner gets 10 points while the losing one gets 9 points.
But in proffesional boxing you can lose more points by either diciplinary action of point reduction (low blow, hit behind the head, kidney shots, repeated holding, not responding, unsportsmanship acting etc.) or a scored knock-down (any hand or body that touches the canvas will recieve a knock-down count or a standing count if taking to many hits unanswered back) that can be -1 or -2 points = 8-7 point round loss.
To win the round you must land more punches at your opponent then he does at you. And for those punches to be legit point punches, they must land clear at front body and front face/head. Hitting arms or hands give no accounted punches.
Never hit behind the head or the neck or the back of your opponent and NEVER hit an opponent when he is down for count.
The referee will expect both boxers to be able to defend themselves at all times or he will intervene the contest for both men's safety.
A solid defense and/or having a solid guard is a must for any boxer to make it, but it gives no points other then protecting and shielding off some potential hits.
But some boxers, often big hitters can land punches at guards for making there opponent lose pose and make mistakes to then follow it up with scoring punches that can hurt.
Hope I could give some knowledge.
What I admire the most about Whittaker is that he's renowned for his defense, slips, dodges, and reactions, but he doesn't resort to hugging or running away like other defensive boxers
great take
Whittaker did not lose this fight. He beat Chavez and He beat Delahoya. He was robbed twice in his career of his two biggest wins.
I haven't watched the fight since that night but at the time I had De La Hoya winning by two rounds, which killed me because Sweet Pea is one of my favorite two fighters. Whitaker's defense was great that night but offensively, he went through stretches where he just wasn't landing a lot whereas De La Hoya seemed to land more, but it was close. I disagree with people who said it was a robbery, I can easily see someone giving it to Whitaker but it wasn't some dominating blowout.
It was a close fight for sure, but I feel that Pernell won. Official compubox punch stats shows Pernell landing more than Oscar. In an interview, Oscar said it was a very close fight, and he admitted that many of his punches were missing. Oscar himself said that "Pernell's head movement was beautiful".
There was NO WAY that, in a close fight like this, anyone was gonna let Pernell win. Oscar was the young and up and coming fighter, while Pernell was at the end of his career. Oscar was the "Golden Boy" and he was the cash cow, so EVERYONE needed him to win in order for money to be made and for the sport of boxing to stay alive - Oscar was the young, good-looking, Olympic medalist who was the new face of boxing.
No one was gonna make money off of Pernell. But Pernell won. And Pernell also got robbed against Chavez.
Pernell was THE BEST of that era!
@@user-sg8kq7ii3yPernell definitely got robbed against Chavez. I've actually watched that fight around 8 or 9 times and the most I ever gave to Chavez was 7 rounds and I was being really charitable. I usually gave Pernell about 8 rounds and it was 8 rounds he clearly won, not a few rounds that could go either way. The other two rounds I thought Chavez won one without question, three others were hard to say but a good case for Chavez but overall, Sweet Pea dominated that fight. Even the rounds Chavez won they weren't overly convincing, the rounds Pernell won there was no case for Chavez. The argument I've seen is Chavez was the aggressor so should have won the fight but to me that's always been a weak argument as he landed 100 fewer punches, Pernell moved but didn't run, as people like to conflate moving side to side with running, and in a lot of instances Pernell was the aggressor. There was no argument that Chavez won other than he went forward more, which means very little if you aren't landing anything.
De La Hoya is a cool surname. It rolls off the tongue nicely.
IKR? I wish I had a name like his. I'd be successful no matter what.
@@peelslowly28stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
The cool part is it means “from the pit” so Oscar’s name in Spanish is literally “Oscar from the pit”
@@Tepanecathats dope af 😂
I loved Pernell growing up and I thought his style was changing a bit after the Chavez fight. It was completely different when he fought Hurtado. He seemed to want to stalk more. This is a hard fight to score. Pernell had an “attitude” in the ring some judges didn’t like. His style some didn’t like. Oscar did bring the fight and more then stood his ground. Can’t blame judges for leaning his way on close rounds. It was a fight of styles and those judges preferred Oscars that night.
I always thought Oscar took it 7-5. Sweet Pea showed his defensive prowess and why he's one of the best defensive fighters ever, but he still got touched, he ate some shots. But the big thing is Whitaker didn't put out enough offense for me. And Oscar's defense wasn't awful! I think it's underrated how he handled Pernell's awkwardness.
Whitaker didn't put out enough offense? Do you even realize that official CompuBox punch statistics shows Pernell landing 232 total punches, while Oscar landed 191? Do you also realize that Pernell scored the bouts only knockdown?
You only THINK that Oscar put out more offense because he threw more punches. But half of his punches were not even landing!!🤣. In one exchange, Oscar, LITERALLY, threw 10 punches, and ALL OF THEM MISSED! 🤣In an interview, even Oscar said that hitting Pernell was SO DIFFICULT because he had beautiful head movement.
Yet the judges scored the fight 116-110; 116-110; 115-111 in favor of De Lahoya????
It WAS A VERY CLOSE FIGHT, and I can accept Delahoya winning by scores of 114-112 and 115-11.
But TWO score at 116-110???? COME ON NOW!!!🤣
One of the things I love about Oscar is the fact he always tried to fight the best fighters at the time! Some he lost, but makes him the greatest to not give in kn a fight!! And that’s the problem with boxing today, boxers pick and choose to protect their undefeated record
No he didn’t, he fought boxers that were pay per view worthy at the time, every champion has the ability to pick and choose their fighters along side their promotion company, they were just about to fight a no name high risk low reward opponent, no matter how good they were
Most underrated channel on UA-cam. I always shout out your channel everywhere I go man. You should be at 3 mill subscribers!
Ugh. I hate this fight. I feel like Sweat Pea got robbed here but I'm not gonna lie, Hoya was doing enough to keep him at bay in that fight for a couple of rounds. Made me rethink the final verdict for a few years now
The robbery isn't so much the winner but the cards. I won't ever argue with someone that has Oscar winning a close fight but I will argue anyone that finds those cards a representation of the fight that happened.
@@trevorboyer2731 I wasn't focusing on the winner aspect at all. I know exactly what it means when a fighter gets robbed, I'm just not up for a tangent.
Everybody knew Whitaker got robbed. All the pros said that Whitaker got robbed. De la Hoya knew he lost tge fight. But Whitaker and many pros knew that the sport needed Oscar to be the face of boxing.
@blakusprime I wasn't trying to pick an argument with ya man. Just stating my belief that it was a close fight and anyone could see either as the winner, but that those cards were bs.
@@trevorboyer2731 neither was I, I'm not sure why you thought that but I implied the same thing you did and by tangent, I meant me, not you. I don't care for blaming cards for upsets or robberies. It's typically the judges in conjunction with the referees.
I'm happy to be from sweet p hometown. He was a legend. R.i.p. I'm mad at him because he had Oscar beat, but as you said he didn't throw anything while or after evading. Those flurries from Oscar started adding up during all those rounds. That's probably why he won.
"I should've gotten 10 out of 12 rounds"
- Pernell Whitaker with an almost closed right eye 😂
Great video as per the usual.
I could see you one day being a commentator or post flight interviewer. Your breakdowns are poetry, man.
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Please breakdown Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield's gamelan for Tyson. You'd be perfect guy because you offer an unbiased insight and you'd a great job explaining the circumstances surrounding that fight.
Yeah then after that I wish he should do a Oscar Dela Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather jr breakdown and also a saenchai,Dany bill,and somrak khamsing breakdown I really hope that he did that breakdown
incredible! Thanks a lot!
Hey David. I was one of the guys who joined you for the Discord stream where we watched a bunch of fights, including this one. It was very fun and the video came out beautifully.
Thanks! That was a lot of fun, it was cool doing the research with people to talk to and bounce ideas off of!
One of the best fights ever. Very difficult to score but I gave to Pernell
the judges sided with oscar because he was more active, throwin more punches than pernell. Pernell was slipping, bob n weaving. Pernell had good footwork & very elusive moves but failed to counter some crucial missed punched made by oscar.
Incredible fighting styles of both
Two Legends 👑
This videos are great
Pernell Whitaker so underrated
I still don't know what match the judges watched. Sweet Pea had this fight.
Finally you made this breakdown and I have been requested it several times in to your channel thank you very much David christian 😊
1:57 Using that KoF 15 Ralf Jones idle animation. 👍
5:21 Mastery 👑
As flashy as a lot of his dodges were, Sweet Pea did not hit a lot himself. I actually think Oscar might have won narrowly.
@@EvilDead_Editzyou big mad 😂
De La Hoya landed far more power shots throughout the fight and really did set the pace. I can easily see why the judges favoured him.
Wow that is some serious boxing skills, both of them. I never saw anyone move so crazy like Pernell, ducking punches like that! What a match up.
Omg how coincidental I was just researching on sweet pea and this magical video came
what good is defence without throwing a counter? Whitaker slipped lots of combinations but then didn't even throw back - an exchange like that should go to the aggressor
defense is s skill too. If the guy makes you miss, he won the exchange. What good is a punch that doesnt land?
@@Terronage "hit and not get hit" - Whitaker had half of that right in this fight
That’s why Willie Pep once won a round with out landing a single punch 🥊.
@@p4pking. Thats a myth 😁never happened
@@Beautiful-Sickening-Rolex
😭 a myth.
Your choice of words is absolutely brilliant. 🙏😎
Great fight
Sound 👍🥊
2:02 you gotta love that sweet pea knew that was pretty cool
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Always felt like Pernell got shafted but Oscar did his thing. Both masters of the noble art.
You can dance around all you want but you have to throw to win a fight. Nobody remembers a great shot that misses, everybody remembers a great shot that lands.
Case in point: Juan Manuel Marquez
@EvilDead_Editzif he landed more convincing power shots, the judges likely wouldn’t have been able to get away with the robbery
how about Canelo punching the rope in the later rounds against Floyd...?
Pure robbery and he knocked delahoya down
Average low iq box watcher:
Rewatched this fight recently after not watching it for years and I still have no idea how De La Hoya won. I remember giving at least 7 of the rounds to Whitaker and that was me being generous to Oscar. The majority of the the mid to late rounds were controlled by a large part by Whitaker's defense and jab, with De La Hoya looking completely baffled at times and just throwing flurries because he had no answer for it. That coupled with the knockdown I really don't see how De La Hoya was gifted a decision.
Thank you . Flurries that dont land are misses, there is not moral victory points for trying. You can control a fight with your defense. The judges knew this. But it was time to crown a new cash cow.
@@Terronage yeah we see it time and again. The older guy getting the decision taken away from him for the new guy. Pernell for the most part boxed the socks off De La Hoya and it's ridiculous to say otherwise IMO.
I love your videos but sometimes I'm not sure who you're referring to, eg I don't know who is who, and which one is "sweet pea". Maybe a graphic at the start showing their names would be helpful, for viewers who are less experienced with the people you talk about? I'm fascinated by boxing now but very new to it
The fans won, getting a chance to see one of the greatest fights of all time
I saw the fight for a second time and I had sweet pea edging it both times, that’s my humble opinion though Whitaker just blocked to much and I believe outlanded Oscar
Please make a content about Robert Whittaker's Boxing and Karate style striking
At the time I scored for Whitaker, especially following the knockdown
I gave it to De La Hoya by 114-112. A lot of rounds were close by De La Hoya was the one throwing punches, Whitaker made him miss but he never made him pay. I’d rather be the guys that missed 7 punches by landed 3 then be the guy that avoids 7 punches but takes 3 good ones.
Pernell whitaker's defense was simply unorthodox,flashy,and awkward and that is very hard to emulate or to mastered
'I couldn't defend any better, without getting hit'. Right eye bubbled af, lmao
It was from a headbutt. Pernelll did not throw enough punches, but Oscar did not do any damage. His punching accuracy was just ridiculous. Probably around 15 %.
Old boxing is so.. Homely.. 😂 I feel like a little kid, thanks ❤😂
What's the song that plays in the beginning?
Extremely close fight. Whitaker was incredibly elusive but also cautious, which meant neither man could sustain a successful offence. I had Whitaker winning by a point, but a draw or a point the other way would still have been fair. The official scorecards were an absolute joke.
Boxing is about beating the other opponent up, not going through a boxing match untouched.
It’s about both. Hit and don’t get hit.
People still cry about this fight but Oscar made Whitaker scared to throw anything worthy, that's ultimately what made Whitaker lose but I don't blame him.
He knocked De La Hoya down though 👀
@@tacohombre3648Jorge Linares knocked down Loma doesn't mean the fight was in his favor. Whoever pushes the fight forward and has the most efficient progress is the one who wins the fight, that was Oscar. But it was a hard fight for both
@@EvilDead_Editz ok that's cool bro, but idc bcuz he didn't do enough to win the fight you have to be on the defensive and offensive to win a fight. He was just on the defensive. He lost a close fight.
@@EvilDead_Editz I studied that fight like a bunch of times and saw it on HBO ... Whitaker won 115 - 112 ... they don't want to see what we saw ...
@@tacohombre3648 how do you judge a fight, what do you look for, can you explain it simply so a child could understand.
This was a great fight, was a hard fight to score though I do agree that Oscar edged Whitaker, the score cards were ridiculous though, was definitely not that wide a margin.
TMMA really doesn't like ODLH lol
I would actually give this one to Oscar, because Whitaker wasn't doing enough offensively. I am a much bigger Whitaker fan, but I do like The Golden Boy and think Oscar is underrated.
respect for the reply @@TheModernMartialArtist
I would like to see an ODLH technique breakdown tho @@TheModernMartialArtist
De La Hoya won fair and square!
Your videos are amazing
@@Moistureslife I didn't know that you can remove a knockdown for a score card,. I thought you have to roll a knowdown based on the ref calls . Thank god, you're not a judge :)
@@jessybenoit4488 just because it "counted" doesn't make it any less bogus. Bet you thought Oscar getting the decision was bogus, huh? Thank God the actual judges got it right 😎
@@Moistureslife They got it right in terms of scoring cards ? not really. The scoring cards were just ridiculous. It was more a close fight, but Pernell Whitaker was too evasive. But at the same time, Oscar De la Hoya offense's was kinda ridiculous. He did the same against Mayweather. Throw like 15 punches at the end of rounds, but nothing hit the marks. Both overall had a bad fight. Pernell jab's was maybe controlling the distance, but he didn't hit much Oscar, while Oscar was throwing a lot, but most of his offense was inefffective.
The fight was way too fast for me to judge. Loved the welterweight in the 90s. All the big fight happened.
Sweet pea got robbed I watched the fight that night and several times after that and that’s why Oscar would not give him a rematch
That was one of the few negative marks I had on De La Hoya's career. They didnt rematch because they knew what happened.
Was not expecting the jumpscare of seeing my hometown on screen, ain't a lotta magic comin' out of Norfolk. RIPD, Pernell
Make him miss, make him pay. Sweet Pea never made anyone pay unfortunately
I actually thought Oscar won this one.
Something people often overlook when scoring this fight is that there was this dumb rule in place where if their was a headbutt that resulted in blood, whoever didn’t bleed got a point deducted. Oscar bled, Pernell didn’t. So round 3 is officially supposed to go to Oscar as a 10-8.
A rematch should’ve happened, it was an extremely close fight.
Del la Hoya did not want a rematch neither did Bob Arum
If I recall when I scored this fight I had it 6-6 with Whitaker getting the nod due to the knockdown. A lot of the rounds I had De La Hoya winning he won mainly due to a lack of offense from Whitaker. I'd say it was close and in my opinion Whitaker won, but a robbery this was not.
I think de la Hoya did to whitaker what Trinidad did to him, accept a very generous present 🎁 by the judges.
This should’ve been a draw and been a trilogy. What a fucken fight.
I can't help but notice that David ducked out of calling out a winner himself. ;-)
Sweet Pea is the best defensive fighter I've ever seen. No one has ever touched his elusiveness.
Would have loved to see a Whittier vs Pacquiao
I think the decision was the right one, but Whittaker was undoubtedly beautiful to watch. I think De La Hoya's heigh and reach were the difference.
I think anyone who got to be there and watch it go down in real time are the winners of this fight.
1:00 is that a ryan garcia filter!!?😂😂😂
I haven't watched the original fight so I'm basing this on the clips here. It looked like Whitaker won to me. Damn close fight but from this video I think it was a wrong call.
Great fight, Interesting archived articles on BoxRec about the fight. Bob Arum called this excellent battle a "stinky" fight, so you know it was close, but too much slicking and not enough power punching from Whittaker.
Sweet Pea was a genius but he missed the counters in this match.
I think it came down to who was the busier offensive fighter. Power behind the punches and who was the cleaner fighter, by all three measures Oscar wins the fight. Pernell’s defense was off the charts, but the fact that it was so great and he was still getting rocked only helps Dela Hoyas side. Last, but not least, Whitaker seemed scared of Dela Hoyas punches as where Oscar looked unphased
That wasn’t Larry Merchant calling at ringside that was Rich Marotta.
Do Chavez vs Whitaker
I thought Whittaker won the fight. They were both great fighters.
Slipping punches is different from running around the ring. In my opinion, it doesn't look good if a fighter has to constantly chase after you in a fight. Especially if it's a title fight.
Difficult to score, though I have Sweet Pea the winner I can understand why others might have seen it different.
Credit to the Golden Boy, Never ducked anyone that I know of and win or lose he came to fight.
The fix was in
Thats why mayweather is a better defense fighter imo then Whitaker because he's always in position to hit while making guys miss.while Whitaker might make it look sometimes better,half the time he's out of position to hit back.
That was a fantastic brake down of this legendary fight .
Sweet Pea did enough to take the win but unfortunately Oscar was the money man to the promoters.
R.I.P sweet Pea🙏 🥊💯.
Sweet Pea is my favorite fighter of all time and this just confirmed for me how he was robbed. This was HBO ushering in their new star and its one of the main things I really hate about my favorite sport . No hate to De La Hoya, he definitely was worthy of the spotlight. But this fight didnt sit right with 17year old me and still doesnt now.
Sweetpea won that fight
That wasn't Larry Merchant it was Bobby Czyz
Sweet Pea won! Oscar didn't do enough to dethrone a champion!
Whitaker didn't do enough to win. His last couple of fights he was knocked down and it seemed his priority for this fight was to trim himself up and slim down. Whitaker was too light in the a## for this fight Even Delahoya commented he was expecting a much stronger opponent.
I don't agree with De La Hoya getting the UNANIMOUS nod, though Sweet Pea thinking he won by "shutout" is ridiculous as well. It was a great back and forth fight that showcased both fighters' skills that could've gone to either man.
man i wish the current heavyweight division had an ounce of this skill and technique. these guys look like professionals, each punch looks like it's been thrown thousands of times and had all the fat trimmed from it. whereas i watch Fury vs Wilder and it looks sloppy. Fury looks cleaner than wilder and whyte but not by much. they're big heavyweights alot bigger than Tyson, Foreman, and Ali but their fights were a thousand times more entertaining.
Oscar did good but Pernell got robbed
I've never seen this fight, but I think Oscar owned it.
He was cool. Didnt duck anyone.
Sweet pea was special, wish he wasn't a victim of incompetent judging
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I thought Whitaker won, but he needed to be a bit more consistent to make sure he won the round. He let Oscar back in the fight by clowning around.
Whitaker just wasn't busy enough
...If he showed the same kinda offense that he did, in say his loss to Trinidad ...he prolly gets the decision here.
But then again---politics 🤷🏽♂️
Are you blind Oscar beat Whitaker just like he beat Trinidad politics don't win you fights your fist do
@@IssacLemus-mk8bk Hence me saying he JUST WASN'T BUSY ENOUGH
...Can YOU READ?
Every time I watch this fight I still see Sweet Pea ahead smh
I think that was more of a split decision either way.
The judges at that time was biased because defense is supposed to be scored along with effective aggressiveness ring gen