Getting stuck in a hour long traffic jam made me see the value of the automatic. The stick is only fun to drive in a world without bumper to bumper traffic.
People who don't know this definitely have never been stuck in a traffic jam with bumper to bumper conditions where you only move a meter every minute. Sure manual is fun for sure, but let's see if it's fun if you have to have a left leg day every day for 30min - 1 hour during peak traffic hour in major cities.
For everyone who's worried or afraid of manual, honestly just go for it. It's so much fun. I've recently bought a manual for the first time after driving auto for nearly 15 years. It only took me a few days to build muscle memory and it's the best decision I've made, driving wise. So much more engaging!
@@texasclawhammer6578 haha! You'll love it man. Most new cars got anti-rollback systems so you won't have the stress of doing handbrake starts. Beginner tip: little bit of gas first (just as much as you would on an auto to take off from a stop) before releasing the clutch and you'll never stall.
sold. i learned on a manual. been auto ever since(so cal traffic). i may have to shift like 600+ times but i feel when im in my hometown ill enjoy the driving experience.
did you already have knowledge of when to upshift, when to downshift, rev matching etc before buying a manual transmission vehicle? Making a manual transmission car move isn't the issue, its knowing when to upshift and downshift, and coming to a complete stop and then going uphill from a stop, etc that gets to be confusing and overwhelming, especially in real world situations like in traffic. How did you overcome all of that?
Nah. I'm disabled recently, and even though I can physically drive stick, it's not worth it. This isn't some super car, you guys are trying to get way too much out it. Get a Supra.
Definitely make a beginner's tutorial for MT! Also show us how you drive around town and different situations like start-stop in traffic, hill starts etc etc. I've watched your heel toe tutorial and it is awesome, just missing the basics now! I'll be one of those people who will be getting the GR 86 in MT who has driven automatic for years and just now switching to MT and I'm sure I won't be the last one. Also do you think Toyota will upgrade the manual dash a bit, mostly because when you shift, the gears definitely come on late.
Definitely the manual is better for track work (unless it’s a Porsche PDK), however people usually need these cars to drive in a lot of heavy traffic so a manual is a massive pain in the arse.
@@jakeq3530 Does it really matter if you’re more alert in traffic? It’s slow so you’re not going 30 mph trying to watch out if you’re going to hit someone and all you really need to do is watch the car in front of you inch up or see if someone is lane changing in front of you which is pretty easy to see half asleep.
@@moomer2675 basically, he’s saying it keeps his focus on the road and not elsewhere. I love driving my standard in traffic. Keeps my hands from reaching for my phone
There are lots of good reasons to buy the Automatic like I did. 1. You have an injury that doesn’t allow you to drive a manual 2. Your wife will let you buy it and auto let’s her drive it too 3. Plan to take on long trips and all the goodies are a huge plus 4. Stop and go traffic is a major part of your life 5. It’s still awesome! I have a 2019 BRZ Manual that is tuned and all of that. I bought an Automatic BRZ 2023 yesterday and it is everything I need it to be. Fun, fast enough and the shifts are clean and sport mode is aggressive. Shift with the manual stick mode is better than the paddles and just as good of a launch as my manual BRZ. F all the noise about the Automatic being shit. Car people don’t get that none of us have ever had a Porsche or Supra, you won’t notice. It’s a 30,000 car!
Nice kid! Learn that manual, don’t get frustrated and put in the seat time. I recommend practicing super early in the morning 5am in an empty parking lot
@@R3c0nf1gur3d also, I'm in India, where almost all of us drive manual, so yeah, it's more of a requirement lol. Dad got a Volkswagen Polo, so that's a good one to practice
Is it a good idea to buy a new car with manual if I’ve never driven a manual before? I’ve heard that once I get used to it, I’ll enjoy it a lot more than an auto/cvt.
@@lvpo8866 what about heal-toe down shifting, rev matching etc. I see different things form different people regarding that on UA-cam. As far as shifting up is concerned, yeah what you said is right, simple enough. But I think it’s the other stuff we’d like to find out abt and all the little quirks u have to worry abt driving manual
@@HisMajesty99 those are more advanced techniques so I would focus on learning how to start and get through the gears first. Basically heal-toe is rev-matching while braking so I would first try rev matching by itself. Drive along and shift from 4th to 3rd over and over to practice. Then when you get that down you can practice braking and rev matching (heel toe). There’s a good video from the smoking tire teaching how to drive a manual but hopefully Topher will make one too. The more the better!
@@darrenmacwhirter1706 in which car? The BRZ/FRS? If that's the case, you're just lying to yourself. If you're talking about the miata, then yes that's exactly what I was trying to say.
It doesn’t look like you had it in Sport mode. In Sport mode it down shifts when breaking and holds the gears longer. Track mode doesn’t automatically engage sport mode. The 2022 transmission is leaps and bounds better than the 2020.
Its likely Toyota isnt using a hall effect sensor like other vehicles do for shift indication - and instead using a Speed and RPM calculation - so it needs to wait for the clutch to be fully in for a half second.
This is normal in manual cars. The numbers don't show up until you are fully engaged in gear. Just because your shifter is in 3rd doesn't mean you are actually in 3rd. You have to wait for the clutch. This is the same thing on all manual cars, G80 M3/M4, Subaru STI, Honda Type R, etc.
@@kevinzeng9606 there does seem to be a light delay between where the clutch is fully released (you see it in his leg movement) and where the number changes. like half a second or so. not that it matters, since you should feel the gear you're in and remember it automatically
Atleast with the automatic GT86, you need to have it in sport mode if you are going to use it on track. Track mode doesn’t actually do much or anything at all to the transmission. Put it in sport mode and it is completely different. Something that was killing the experience for you was that it wouldn’t hold the rpms. Put it in sport mode, and it won’t do that. Seems sluggish only Because you had the transmission in regular drive mode. Sport drive mode wakes it up much so much more. Great video and keep up the good work!
I saw that too. He short changed the review because of that. I had the 2020 and now the 2022 auto and the 2022 is a blast in sport mode. Actually the 2020 was fun too but the 2022 is definitely an upgrade
@@richardseaman9086 the auto is slower, upshifts when you don't want, makes the car altogether feel more sluggish, is FAR less fun to drive, costs more, Subaru Eyesight sends your data back to Subaru making it a privacy risk, etc.
I can guarantee a million views to the first video that disconnects the artificial engine sound speaker and records a lap with the natural engine sound
Just drove a manual for the first time today. The most funnest and interesting moment of my life lmao. So much stalling but was still having fun. I daily a v6 automatic Mustang, and it was a WRX manual that I drove
@@cammed46 you don’t even have a license yet you’re dragging people that actually put in work and have vehicles while you’re failing your high school classes
Hey Topher, do you have any insight as to the oil temps on the engine after hard track use? And what were the ambient temps? I'm talking like a full sessions will it ever pass, say, 260/270F?
I’m 6’3 and the auto is so much more comfortable cause that empty area where the clutch would be makes a world of a difference on where I can put my left foot to rest. The auto gr86 was more fun than I thought, just not sure if I would trade for my sti
I'm sensing a slight lag on the tachometer in both the manual and automatic. I'm assuming the cars are still pre-production and haven't worked out all the issues, could be wrong. As for the automatic gear ratios, it's normal for downshifts to be denied at certain RPMs, it's an overrev protection. Those ratios are longer than the manual, especially the final drive.
can confirm the auto has a longer final drive. The downshifts are probably a bit more protected than they need to be, but peak torque is around 3k rpm anyway, so as long as you keep above that, itll be fine
Of course I’d only get this car with the manual transmission. I think if you are going to give a performance car an automatic transmission, it should be a quick shifting and fun automatic that you can actually enjoy like a dct or a zf8. I personally thought the Gti was better with the dsg and the f10 M5 was better with the dct than the manual. I wonder how this car would’ve been with a dct or Zf8, otherwise it just doesn’t make sense to me for such a car.
Can I just ask a question….. in the manual when you shifted to 2nd you were basically always shifting at 50mph. But in the auto you were trying to go into second at 60 mph. But if you kept yourself constant with the shifts like you did in the manual you would have been able to downshift into second at 50mph without having it deny you. The arrow indicator seems to come on at 55mph to allow a downshift near the gear number letting you know where you can downshift. And again it comes on at 30mph to allow downshift into first. If you drove the car knowing the shift points and seen the information given to you for when downshift was allowed could you have been faster in the auto on another lap against your original auto run? It’s easy to trash a car if the system isn’t understood. So an updated video would be appreciated with more experience on understanding it’s dynamics. I can’t go off your opinion of the auto because I clearly saw where your mistakes were made. Driver error isn’t good feedback if you didn’t have an understanding of the system. And if you did have an understanding of the system then it would be a shame to know because then the video could have relayed better information but instead got misguided information. I love your videos keep up the work. But just wanted to point this out because the outcome could have been different in my opinion.
My 2c I know the denied downshifts are annoying, but you are downshifting like you would for a first gen…where all the power is above 5k and anything below that is quite useless. The thing is, the new engine has some goodness around 3-4, amazingly. And as you know, the earlier you can put the power down, the better. And you don’t need all the torque right away when you first get on the gas…on a gen1, it’s not enough. But now it is. Plus the gear ratios are longer…so we wait a little longer before downshifting. We finally have oomf low in the rev range. It works.
The automatic would be awesome if they added a dual clutch or something more advanced than the six speed, the extra weight would be compensated by better gear ratios and speed.
Any car that is isnt insanely fast out the box will be more fun in stick than auto, which is why I would never buy a car that is in that range as an automatic. Even a car with 100hp in manual would be more fun than a 100hp auto even if the auto can do the job better in shifting etc..
If only the manual mode in the automatic would let you shift as you’d like without intervening. But it kinda won’t let you down shift when you’d like it and that its kind of a let down.
For the Automatic. Track mode is like halfway between traction off and traction on, it lets you have more slip before it cuts power. The button on the far left is Sport mode which alters the revs allowing it be higher and down shift itself into higher rpms. I am not sure if it matters if you're in Manual shift mode though, would be a good test. I might have to test this myself when I have time, as I own the first gen automatic and have done track days without much issues. Edit: So I tried out different modes, with Sport mode on and in Manual mode, I still get denied some down shifts. Ideal spirited driving while not in manual mode would be both Sport and Track buttons on driving in "D". Manual mode should be paired with track mode. Overall, get a manual transmission if you plan on doing track days or live in an area that works for you. The auto is really for daily driving with a few weekends on some twisty roads, it's a compromise if you live in a high traffic or hilly area where you have to parallel park on steep hills but still want to throw a fun car around.
@@ErockHQ Well barring disabilities there's no reason to get the auto. Even in this video, it was infuriating seeing the auto deny shifts like that. Plus even acceleration is slower than the manual
I have a feeling the car doesn't let the aggressively downshift unless you're in track mode which he wasn't in until like halfway through the video. If you watch at 5:51 the car downshifts far closer to redline than it would have before he put it in track mode so I don't think the auto is as bad as it first looks.
I actually wanted to buy an automatic GR86, but in Korea, the GR86 is only sold as a manual model and does not have an automatic model, so I bought the manual model. But after watching this video, I can be sure that I made a really good choice. It is cruel that Toyota requires downshifting to 4,000 rpm. In fact, the rpm allows for 2-speed shifting in a manual mode.
It doesn’t want to downshift because your shifting too early. I used to do the same in my auto 86 on a track. Once you get used to the ratios (longer than the manual) it is very fluid. If you want to go fast on a track the auto is a perfectly reasonable choice - it makes sense to shift sequentially with both hands on the wheel when you're on the limits.
Let’s face it any transmission is going to take some dialing into especially on a track… I’d be curious to try that WRX cvt! Don’t get them in the UK as far as I know
In the AT, The paddles are not that great... However, In the manual mode shifting with the stick is FAR more responsive than the paddles. Using the stick does not hold you back when trying to downshift etc. The paddles do, For whatever reason.
@JT you're both ignorant. There's plenty of reasons. Disability, mileage, traffic. I've driven a manual since my Prelude Si. There's nothing special about it especially these days. The shifting difference is negligible.
I like Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ because it's affordable with reasonable mpg. Now the new one has bigger engine which is more expensive and worse mpg. In JPN zeikin (yearly tax) and shaken (2 year inspection) depends on engine capacity. Some 86/BRZ drivers want bigger engine with turbo for faster acceleration and higher top speed which make others confused. If you want those why don't you modify the the car after you buy it? Most Japanese cars are meant to be modified according to your taste. Or get a Supra. If you still cant' get enough, just get a V8 Mustang.
I want the manual but I'm gonna be going into traffic a lot where I live and I drive on the road a lot so I think its best to get automatic in my situation.
The clutch should be light in these things so it should be easy, I drive manual in traffic and its really not a big deal. You will REGRET getting the automatic trust me.
I've been there. In such situations you actually tune your heel-toe downshifts to perfection. From any gear to the needed one. High revving engines with low torque and autos don't work good together IMO.
Thx for the review I was rly interested to see the automatic…not as bad as before but the manual is still better especially for the fact that you have more control…anyway have a nice day 🙂
@@KiraOniiChan It's your choice of course, but I really don't see the point in getting the automatic. The manual is such a better gearbox, all around. The only reason you'd avoid it is a lack of confidence/practice, which can be learned as a skill. It really makes driving a lot more fun, I promise.
@@ThePilotGear I know how to drive but but I lived in Cali before and currently in AZ but still visit Cali a lot and the traffic in both places are just a nightmare which is honestly the only reason I would probably go with an auto
I see the automatic gave you some challenges that made you race drive. Which I found it to be more entertaining than the manual. Though realistically these car's are made for driving and not made for tracking.
Does this Toyota 86 generation came with auto-revmatching? I would love to buy this MT in the futute if it gets older because I think it is a fun tuner car :)
@@OhKnow379 I much prefer this car to have a manual gearbox because the Supra is automatic only (plus Supra is way overpriced). What I meant is the auto-revmatch feature which you don't need to heel toe downshift on fast curves. Thanks for informing how to operate paddles faster by the way.
I think that most buyers won't drive this on the track too often, and rather use it as a daily even. For daily automatic is just better nowadays hence 70% autos.
The shift programming on the auto acts exactly like my 2014 camry, wont let you downshift unless it can put the revs at least like 500 rpm below redline
@@Peter-ff1tp Wont allow you to downshift even into nearly 1k under redline. I've seen the same thing in a lot of Lexus/Toyotas. They just play it super safe/boring when it comes to auto programming.
Much more torque down low and continues to pull to redline. I’d love to line them up sometime soon but until then I’m saying the new GR 86 feels like a noticeably quicker car than one that’s been tuned with a header
Yes, for the track the manual is the way to go but since most of these cars (>80%) will never see the track the auto is best. Having a manual that never sees the track is like having a car with 500+hp that never sees the drag strip.
getting an auto on this car is missing the point this is not a fast car its quick fun car for what it is but its not super fast and manual just make it far better to drive and far more fun auto will just numb the fun on this car if you want a fun car for this price with a super quick auto its better to look at cars like volkswagen gti with the dsg
This is just completely sad for me … I reallyyy want a manual for my first car But because my parents want to use the car too I have to get an automatic Gettin the brz But an auto Kinda sad I just wanna experience that fun and always have the feeling where i can always have both my hands in use
I just get bored driving an automatic transmission, and I don’t like the feel or the timing of the gear shifting. This would probably not be the case in a more expensive model but I can spend a lot less and get great performance with a manual transmission.
As an owner of BRZ 2016 GEN1. I find it very hard to like the digital cluster to be honest. At a racing point of view I love the horizontal tachometer. I wonder if I will like it more when seeing it in real life tho. However, the old gen1 red glowing cluster simply looks amazing in the night. However I think that I will enjoy the 2.4 Liter engine and the bumped up torque dip. Well well Gen 1 and Gen 2 are simply two different sports cars afterall One is timeless the other is modern. I bet that I would miss my gen1 if i change to gen2 :( hard decisions here.
14FRS owner here. I think the 2.4L-86 looks less distinctive and has an overall peak power that is about the same as you would get with a catted header and OFT. I like the new one, but not enough to trade my fully paid low mileage used one. I don't need the torque bump as a downshift gets me more power anyways during normal spirited driving. I think mine makes something like 80 crank hp at 3000rpm so even 25% more is still a negligible amount compared to a downshift. If I were financing a used one at high interest rates, I'd consider selling retail and buying a new one at discounted Toyota/Subaru rates though.
@@dachanist I like your answer. To be honest the 200HP is enough. I can't even use my engine full out without the uncomfort idea to get speed ticket and losed license anyway :). Afterall the car was made to be fun, balanced and direct and thats what it is! Else we could buy a supra.
@@infestedalien If I were you, I would still go for a test-drive for the GR86/BRZ anyway. I prefer analog dials over digital displays too, but I think the stronger engine's more usable torque, and the rigid chassis and lower centre of gravity will far outweigh the negatives I see with this car. Those updates are only things that a manufacturer can do, not the aftermarket. A tuned up GEN1 may be just as fast as the GEN2, but the GEN2 with those same mods will always be pulling away.
@@BRZFA24 Nice one! when I bought my BRZ 2016 (old one, no face lift version) I was able to choose between the face lifted one. But I really liked the old one more in some way. The only thing I miss is not having the oil temp display on the old generation. The modification I've is Tein Flex Z coilovers and HKS Legamax premium catback and sound-generator remove.
im just here to see all the gatekeeping comments telling people that auto is bad and not considering the fact that maybe they either live in a high-traffic area or have a condition that prevents shifting
Shame that toyota dont have fast sporty dualclutch as new hyundai i30N have,(8DCT) toyota still have old hydrodynamic transmission which is not good for sports car... So yes take Toyota with manual :)
While the auto does appear much more lifeless than the manual for sure, the way it sounds and looks like to drive has a racing video game charm to it for me. Reminds me of playing forza like 10 years ago lol
The GR86 Premium was ny first car ive ever owned. I learned manual on it. I dont regret it AT ALL. Its an amazing car. Im loving every second of it. No need to be afraid or manual.
Older people that want a nimble car that handles nicely without having to row your own gears, basically buying a sporty car for relaxed driving on sunny weekends, Toyota clearly sold enough ATs to put them in the new 86.
I was thinking about it, would make me feel like I'm driving a GT3RS on the back roads if it had a good automatic but transmission in this thing just doesn't want to change gears all that much so probably can't get it. I'm looking for cheap RWD car with a great transmission. For the record, I can drive a stick shift, and have done it for years, I want to try a fast auto, and the only option was this or the Veloster N DCT but that's FWD and I don't want that :(
I'd always pick automatic over manual, it just depends on the type of person you are. I work in IT, I spent most of my time every day automating things, having to do something manually that can be automatic doesn't make sense to me.
I would get a manual car but I live in a city so it would be pretty repetitive to shift all the time especially in traffic jams if I lived in somewhere like Rural Texas or maybe a more rural area so I would prefer a Auto than a Manual.
It's good for a daily driver but thats about it😂 these kids are delusional thinking what people use cars for 99% of the time. A daily driver!! Why don't car companies build manuals anymore? Because people don't need track cars😂
i need one blew up and swap and h6 3.0l or the 3.6l ether one requires a bit more digging into the two engines and drive car with them to get a bit of a fell of engine power bands be a bit of a help
Does anyone know if any tuning will adjust the rev limiter in between shifting? The car definitely needs to be able to hold full gears, at a full rev range limit imo.....
Thank goodness this car is still offered with a manual, as even the resulting video is less visceral with the automatic. It will be interesting to see just how many owners will disable the piped in fake engine sound as soon as they get these home. Overall, this looks like a great job by Subaru/Toyota.
what is the purpose of the fake engine noise inside the cabin? it's a ridiculous feature. i dont know how anyone can enjoy that knowing its fake engine noise
@@kimmichelle8557 This is part of what car makers have come up with for the gaming generation now that they are buying cars. Much of the tech appearing in cars today is there to appease those who can't go more than a few minutes without their smartphones. Cars and driving used to be purely analog in nature, but those days are long gone. From the infotainment systems and the fake engine noises to the LCD instrument panels, manufacturers are just giving the masses what they want, which helps them stay in business.
i honestly don't understand the point of offering an automatic if it's going to seriously impact the driving experience like that. now if they made one with a really quick-shifting DCT that would be more interesting, but i guess it would be too expensive to develop + strays away from the concept of simplicity this car was designed around.
In my young days we were happy to have a car to go grocery shopping, now every young person has track days. I guess we created lots of racers with this new generation, none talk about gas mileage or oil change but they all are racers and must have track days.
its a extremely small subset of the population that are into cars. to most people it is just transportation. many younger people rather just rideshare everywhere and avoid entire cost of car ownership. we are fortunate a car like gr86 even exist anymore...
don't let the comment section deceive you. Automatic is an excellent choice if you're into convenience and simplicity. Once the novelty of stick wears off, you'll be irritated by anything less than perfect traffic conditions
Still has heavier controls, better steering, doesn’t feel as light and tossable as the Miata, but it’s great to feel similar power out of the 86 now. Basically it comes down to whether you want a convertible or a more practical sports car. I think you’ll have equal amounts of fun in both
Really it’s just subjective. I’d prefer the auto cause I know it’ll shift smoother and faster than I could with my limited experience with manual and I’d have an overall better experience.
@@learntrigonometryeasily3609 The whole point of having a manual is to gradually learn how to optimize shifts and enjoy driving. It's a great way to connect with the car you're driving and the road itself. An automatic turns this into a generic car, which makes it pointless.
@@learntrigonometryeasily3609 you just contradicted yourself lmao. You want a smoother shifting experience but yet have limited experience with a manual? Practicing goes a long way you know
@@parposeidon2363 It's a slow car. An automatic transmission won't win it any races. It will be faster than the manual version, but those marginal performance gains aren't worth the loss of driver engagement (as far as I'm concerned).
I know you probably don't like the audible gear shift notification, but I could really do with something like that in my mx5. I find it hard to pay attention to the rev counter when my full focus is on the road. I'm surprised there isn't an option like this available outside of an o.e.m installation. I've googled but can only find l.e.d based rev notification kits.
I was thinking about it, would make me feel like I'm driving a GT3RS on the back roads if it had a good automatic but transmission in this thing just doesn't want to change gears all that much so probably can't get it. I'm looking for cheap RWD car with a great transmission. For the record, I can drive a stick shift, and have done it for years, I want to try a fast auto, and the only option was this or the Veloster N DCT but that's FWD and I don't want that :(
Over half of all sales in the US for the 86 over the years were automatic. I get that manuals are more fun and I enjoy them myself, that being said I also understand why people opt for the automatic and I respect that. If they made the BRZ/86 manual only, the sales would be abysmal and why would Toyota/Subaru even bother with a follow up car if they cant sell it? To each their own...
Oooh the manual elitists in the comments. The auto actually seems like it's an alright drive, for some spirited driving on fun roads. While making the daily commute easier if it's your only car. While yeah the manual is more suitable for track driving and being "pUrE". I'd still happily choose the auto as I, like a lot of other people can only afford to have the one car and would like something fun to drive. And with that, also has to be used everyday and driven in all conditions. You could argue I'd be better with something like an M240i or a Supra or an i30N and you'd probably be right. Don't forget elitists, some people have injuries or disabilities that may prevent them from being able to drive a manual, are they less of an enthusiast if they buy the automatic 86 because they like the car, the way it drives and are happy to have the auto mainly as they are unable to drive the manual? Absolutely not. Does it make them a worse or lesser driver? Of course not. I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong by the auto bad crowd. Honestly not sure why it exists when most cars now offer automated gearbox's only and are proving time and time again to be faster, more efficient, putting down the power better and be an overall better drive.
Getting stuck in a hour long traffic jam made me see the value of the automatic. The stick is only fun to drive in a world without bumper to bumper traffic.
Ig if you’re old
What a crybaby
People who don't know this definitely have never been stuck in a traffic jam with bumper to bumper conditions where you only move a meter every minute.
Sure manual is fun for sure, but let's see if it's fun if you have to have a left leg day every day for 30min - 1 hour during peak traffic hour in major cities.
@@pineapple0427 my city is exactly like that, bumper to bumper traffic anytime of the day. Although tiring, I still enjoy driving manual very much
@@jW-kr5xn Manual is fun only if there's no traffic.
If 90% of the time driving is in bumper to bumper conditions, it is anything but fun. :)
Getting denied with those downshifts in the automatic is truly a painful sight.
Yeah, with plenty of rpm to go before downshifting into redline! I think the old auto had better programming
@@TheTopher does it auto up shift? If so that’s a total deal breaker. I know the RC does that and it was extremely aggravating when I drove it
@@bijan4697 Didn't seem like it. I thought the RC doesn't auto-upshift if you have it in Sport+?
@@bijan4697 5:16 it does have standard automatic
@@ryanhuang6838 the one I drove constantly did it, no matter the mode I was in.
For everyone who's worried or afraid of manual, honestly just go for it. It's so much fun. I've recently bought a manual for the first time after driving auto for nearly 15 years. It only took me a few days to build muscle memory and it's the best decision I've made, driving wise. So much more engaging!
Lol, I’m scrolling through comments just looking for one like yours to nudge me over the edge to MT. Looks awesome but I’ve never owned one
@@texasclawhammer6578 haha! You'll love it man. Most new cars got anti-rollback systems so you won't have the stress of doing handbrake starts. Beginner tip: little bit of gas first (just as much as you would on an auto to take off from a stop) before releasing the clutch and you'll never stall.
sold. i learned on a manual. been auto ever since(so cal traffic). i may have to shift like 600+ times but i feel when im in my hometown ill enjoy the driving experience.
did you already have knowledge of when to upshift, when to downshift, rev matching etc before buying a manual transmission vehicle? Making a manual transmission car move isn't the issue, its knowing when to upshift and downshift, and coming to a complete stop and then going uphill from a stop, etc that gets to be confusing and overwhelming, especially in real world situations like in traffic. How did you overcome all of that?
Nah. I'm disabled recently, and even though I can physically drive stick, it's not worth it. This isn't some super car, you guys are trying to get way too much out it. Get a Supra.
Definitely make a beginner's tutorial for MT! Also show us how you drive around town and different situations like start-stop in traffic, hill starts etc etc. I've watched your heel toe tutorial and it is awesome, just missing the basics now! I'll be one of those people who will be getting the GR 86 in MT who has driven automatic for years and just now switching to MT and I'm sure I won't be the last one. Also do you think Toyota will upgrade the manual dash a bit, mostly because when you shift, the gears definitely come on late.
definitely need this!
There’s no need to look at the gauges to know what gear you’re in anyway. I’m not sure why it’s even included in the manual model.
Its so easy, if you have even a little understanding of how the manual works you can drive it off the lot fairly easy.
Gear indicator is not required, you always know what gear you're in
If you are going to be in traffic a lot don’t get manual.
Definitely the manual is better for track work (unless it’s a Porsche PDK), however people usually need these cars to drive in a lot of heavy traffic so a manual is a massive pain in the arse.
Driving a manual in traffic keeps me even more alert
@@jakeq3530 Does it really matter if you’re more alert in traffic? It’s slow so you’re not going 30 mph trying to watch out if you’re going to hit someone and all you really need to do is watch the car in front of you inch up or see if someone is lane changing in front of you which is pretty easy to see half asleep.
@@moomer2675 basically, he’s saying it keeps his focus on the road and not elsewhere. I love driving my standard in traffic. Keeps my hands from reaching for my phone
@@Samanosuke1138 what you need is self control not a manual
@@MotorYardtraphik Don't be a butthole.
There are lots of good reasons to buy the Automatic like I did. 1. You have an injury that doesn’t allow you to drive a manual 2. Your wife will let you buy it and auto let’s her drive it too 3. Plan to take on long trips and all the goodies are a huge plus 4. Stop and go traffic is a major part of your life 5. It’s still awesome! I have a 2019 BRZ Manual that is tuned and all of that. I bought an Automatic BRZ 2023 yesterday and it is everything I need it to be. Fun, fast enough and the shifts are clean and sport mode is aggressive. Shift with the manual stick mode is better than the paddles and just as good of a launch as my manual BRZ. F all the noise about the Automatic being shit. Car people don’t get that none of us have ever had a Porsche or Supra, you won’t notice. It’s a 30,000 car!
cope harder
@@igisanchez265 cupholder, yes
@@igisanchez265 glazing is crazy
@@igisanchez265 he has a manual and an automatic
All he said was how it's still a nice car
When TheTopher uploads a POV video on a Toyobaru and MX-5, I instantly press like and comment for the algorithm ;)
Yaay good job. You want a cookie?
@@jerbsherb4391 Looks like I touched a nerve of a butthurt keyboard warrior to start trolling
@@jerbsherb4391 Hey neckbeard, how's life living in your mom's basement at 43?
Bro, can you do some beginner videos for manual transmission? Would be helpful
Nice kid! Learn that manual, don’t get frustrated and put in the seat time. I recommend practicing super early in the morning 5am in an empty parking lot
@@R3c0nf1gur3d I agree ;)
@@MrTheKrafter JT agrees with JT
@@R3c0nf1gur3d also, I'm in India, where almost all of us drive manual, so yeah, it's more of a requirement lol. Dad got a Volkswagen Polo, so that's a good one to practice
Is it a good idea to buy a new car with manual if I’ve never driven a manual before? I’ve heard that once I get used to it, I’ll enjoy it a lot more than an auto/cvt.
Could you plz do a tutorial series for driving manual, like from square 1, for us noobs who wanna learn manual for the first time lol
I’ve needed to do this for ages. I’ll do it in my Volvo!
@@TheTopher can’t wait! Looking forward to it, thanks man!
Push clutch pedal in, Select gear, release clutch, accelerate
@@lvpo8866 what about heal-toe down shifting, rev matching etc. I see different things form different people regarding that on UA-cam. As far as shifting up is concerned, yeah what you said is right, simple enough. But I think it’s the other stuff we’d like to find out abt and all the little quirks u have to worry abt driving manual
@@HisMajesty99 those are more advanced techniques so I would focus on learning how to start and get through the gears first. Basically heal-toe is rev-matching while braking so I would first try rev matching by itself. Drive along and shift from 4th to 3rd over and over to practice. Then when you get that down you can practice braking and rev matching (heel toe). There’s a good video from the smoking tire teaching how to drive a manual but hopefully Topher will make one too. The more the better!
This and the Miata are cars that getting the manual is a requirement
I'd take the automatic. 😉👍🏻
Agreed, but at least the auto in the miata is modern. The auto in the GR86 is horrendously slow.
@@huehuehue-x3c I had the last generation auto and I found it excellent on the street. I didnt do track days though but I found it really reponsive.
@@mileslynch that's exactly what I said lmao
@@darrenmacwhirter1706 in which car? The BRZ/FRS? If that's the case, you're just lying to yourself. If you're talking about the miata, then yes that's exactly what I was trying to say.
It doesn’t look like you had it in Sport mode. In Sport mode it down shifts when breaking and holds the gears longer. Track mode doesn’t automatically engage sport mode. The 2022 transmission is leaps and bounds better than the 2020.
Definitely getting the manual
The manual's dash was a little slow at updating which gear you're in.
yo, goddamn, now I can't unsee it
Its likely Toyota isnt using a hall effect sensor like other vehicles do for shift indication - and instead using a Speed and RPM calculation - so it needs to wait for the clutch to be fully in for a half second.
@@yyyyyeeeee4060 Same thing as my ND Miata, it just takes a sec, nbd after you get used to it
This is normal in manual cars. The numbers don't show up until you are fully engaged in gear. Just because your shifter is in 3rd doesn't mean you are actually in 3rd. You have to wait for the clutch. This is the same thing on all manual cars, G80 M3/M4, Subaru STI, Honda Type R, etc.
@@kevinzeng9606 there does seem to be a light delay between where the clutch is fully released (you see it in his leg movement) and where the number changes. like half a second or so. not that it matters, since you should feel the gear you're in and remember it automatically
Atleast with the automatic GT86, you need to have it in sport mode if you are going to use it on track. Track mode doesn’t actually do much or anything at all to the transmission. Put it in sport mode and it is completely different. Something that was killing the experience for you was that it wouldn’t hold the rpms. Put it in sport mode, and it won’t do that. Seems sluggish only Because you had the transmission in regular drive mode. Sport drive mode wakes it up much so much more. Great video and keep up the good work!
Meh, it's an 86, you shouldn't even consider an auto
I saw that too. He short changed the review because of that. I had the 2020 and now the 2022 auto and the 2022 is a blast in sport mode. Actually the 2020 was fun too but the 2022 is definitely an upgrade
@@philspaghet why
@@richardseaman9086 the auto is slower, upshifts when you don't want, makes the car altogether feel more sluggish, is FAR less fun to drive, costs more, Subaru Eyesight sends your data back to Subaru making it a privacy risk, etc.
@@philspaghet Really? Have you driven both of the new GR86 versions?
I can guarantee a million views to the first video that disconnects the artificial engine sound speaker and records a lap with the natural engine sound
It’s a race!
Just drove a manual for the first time today. The most funnest and interesting moment of my life lmao. So much stalling but was still having fun. I daily a v6 automatic Mustang, and it was a WRX manual that I drove
Where did you get to test drive one?
i dont even have my license yet and ive driven a manual twice and haven't stalled
@@cammed46 cool story bro thanks for sharing
@@jasonpapa6300 just saying maybe he needs to learn to be more accurate with that left foot
@@cammed46 you don’t even have a license yet you’re dragging people that actually put in work and have vehicles while you’re failing your high school classes
Hey Topher, do you have any insight as to the oil temps on the engine after hard track use? And what were the ambient temps? I'm talking like a full sessions will it ever pass, say, 260/270F?
Oil temps were solid all day, never got over 250 with the oem cooler. Besides pads and fluid you’re track day ready in this new gr86.
I’m 6’3 and the auto is so much more comfortable cause that empty area where the clutch would be makes a world of a difference on where I can put my left foot to rest. The auto gr86 was more fun than I thought, just not sure if I would trade for my sti
how do you still feel about the auto?
I'm sensing a slight lag on the tachometer in both the manual and automatic. I'm assuming the cars are still pre-production and haven't worked out all the issues, could be wrong.
As for the automatic gear ratios, it's normal for downshifts to be denied at certain RPMs, it's an overrev protection. Those ratios are longer than the manual, especially the final drive.
can confirm the auto has a longer final drive. The downshifts are probably a bit more protected than they need to be, but peak torque is around 3k rpm anyway, so as long as you keep above that, itll be fine
Of course I’d only get this car with the manual transmission. I think if you are going to give a performance car an automatic transmission, it should be a quick shifting and fun automatic that you can actually enjoy like a dct or a zf8. I personally thought the Gti was better with the dsg and the f10 M5 was better with the dct than the manual. I wonder how this car would’ve been with a dct or Zf8, otherwise it just doesn’t make sense to me for such a car.
Elitist garbage
Thanks for this comparison. I know everyone says go for the manual but I'm sticking with auto ;) no choice here lmao
Can I just ask a question….. in the manual when you shifted to 2nd you were basically always shifting at 50mph. But in the auto you were trying to go into second at 60 mph. But if you kept yourself constant with the shifts like you did in the manual you would have been able to downshift into second at 50mph without having it deny you. The arrow indicator seems to come on at 55mph to allow a downshift near the gear number letting you know where you can downshift. And again it comes on at 30mph to allow downshift into first. If you drove the car knowing the shift points and seen the information given to you for when downshift was allowed could you have been faster in the auto on another lap against your original auto run? It’s easy to trash a car if the system isn’t understood. So an updated video would be appreciated with more experience on understanding it’s dynamics. I can’t go off your opinion of the auto because I clearly saw where your mistakes were made. Driver error isn’t good feedback if you didn’t have an understanding of the system. And if you did have an understanding of the system then it would be a shame to know because then the video could have relayed better information but instead got misguided information. I love your videos keep up the work. But just wanted to point this out because the outcome could have been different in my opinion.
Agreed
I would buy the automatic so I can turn it into a 40+ mpg RWD hybrid.
Looking forward to your comparison with the BRZ!
My 2c
I know the denied downshifts are annoying, but you are downshifting like you would for a first gen…where all the power is above 5k and anything below that is quite useless.
The thing is, the new engine has some goodness around 3-4, amazingly. And as you know, the earlier you can put the power down, the better. And you don’t need all the torque right away when you first get on the gas…on a gen1, it’s not enough. But now it is.
Plus the gear ratios are longer…so we wait a little longer before downshifting. We finally have oomf low in the rev range. It works.
peak torque is around 3k or so surprisingly. genuinely a non issue on the 86 auto
It's surprising that it's not a dct. So this is where they saved money. Shame
yea cause they know people will just get the manual, this car isn’t about getting the most straight line performance
The automatic would be awesome if they added a dual clutch or something more advanced than the six speed, the extra weight would be compensated by better gear ratios and speed.
Any car that is isnt insanely fast out the box will be more fun in stick than auto, which is why I would never buy a car that is in that range as an automatic. Even a car with 100hp in manual would be more fun than a 100hp auto even if the auto can do the job better in shifting etc..
If only the manual mode in the automatic would let you shift as you’d like without intervening. But it kinda won’t let you down shift when you’d like it and that its kind of a let down.
When you're so early the vid is in 144p
yeah
yeah
same
@@CrossfireGamingNetwork Hello 😀
Love the 86 reviews. Can’t wait to see you driving the BRZ.
That correction at 4:32 was beautiful!
For the Automatic.
Track mode is like halfway between traction off and traction on, it lets you have more slip before it cuts power.
The button on the far left is Sport mode which alters the revs allowing it be higher and down shift itself into higher rpms. I am not sure if it matters if you're in Manual shift mode though, would be a good test.
I might have to test this myself when I have time, as I own the first gen automatic and have done track days without much issues.
Edit: So I tried out different modes, with Sport mode on and in Manual mode, I still get denied some down shifts. Ideal spirited driving while not in manual mode would be both Sport and Track buttons on driving in "D". Manual mode should be paired with track mode. Overall, get a manual transmission if you plan on doing track days or live in an area that works for you. The auto is really for daily driving with a few weekends on some twisty roads, it's a compromise if you live in a high traffic or hilly area where you have to parallel park on steep hills but still want to throw a fun car around.
Yeah it's the auto for me with this LA traffic and some fun canyon driving. No track days for me.
@@DenisDamulira23 Yep, auto for me to.
I think it would be more convenient for me to get the automatic. I always wanted paddle shifters either way
@@tobiasdelafuente2032 get what you prefer do not go by what others want at the end of the day you have to be happy with your purchase.
same@@limitededition3278
As a daily driver with occasional spirited driving, I feel the automatic isn’t too bad at all
Nah, don't even bother, get the manual NO MATTER WHAT.
@@philspaghet that’s horrible logic bud
@@ErockHQ Well barring disabilities there's no reason to get the auto. Even in this video, it was infuriating seeing the auto deny shifts like that. Plus even acceleration is slower than the manual
@@philspaghet once again, shitty ass logic
@@ErockHQ meh, it's a RWD low power Japanese sports car, anything else just doesn't fit
damn those downshifts in the auto are annoying as hell lol. you can tell they put minimal effort into it considering its not even their 8 speed.
Toyota auto transmissions are tuned for fuel economy hence the frequent upshifts
You wouldnt want more than a 6 for a sports car anyway. When the challenger came out with the 9speed from dodge it was just idiotic.
Auto 86… yuck
I have a feeling the car doesn't let the aggressively downshift unless you're in track mode which he wasn't in until like halfway through the video.
If you watch at 5:51 the car downshifts far closer to redline than it would have before he put it in track mode so I don't think the auto is as bad as it first looks.
I don't even know why they make an auto in the first place. It's like making an auto Civic Si. Just completely misses the point.
Auto shifts faster so it's better!
I actually wanted to buy an automatic GR86, but in Korea, the GR86 is only sold as a manual model and does not have an automatic model, so I bought the manual model.
But after watching this video, I can be sure that I made a really good choice.
It is cruel that Toyota requires downshifting to 4,000 rpm.
In fact, the rpm allows for 2-speed shifting in a manual mode.
I bought the auto, honestly love it. But ima VQ, GTR guy so might trade in when the Z comes out. Perhaps even wait for a NISMO to come out.
How has the auto treated you? Good for a fun daily driver?
It doesn’t want to downshift because your shifting too early. I used to do the same in my auto 86 on a track. Once you get used to the ratios (longer than the manual) it is very fluid. If you want to go fast on a track the auto is a perfectly reasonable choice - it makes sense to shift sequentially with both hands on the wheel when you're on the limits.
Let’s face it any transmission is going to take some dialing into especially on a track… I’d be curious to try that WRX cvt! Don’t get them in the UK as far as I know
Or just get the manual, the objectively better choice 🤷
@Suggon Deez manuals are perfect for daily as well unless you're physically-challenged.
So what do you mean you have to be at higher rpms before you shift to get a faster shift?
I sold my manual and bought an auto 86. I think it’s better/faster on track than the manual in every way. I would never go back.
In the AT, The paddles are not that great... However, In the manual mode shifting with the stick is FAR more responsive than the paddles. Using the stick does not hold you back when trying to downshift etc. The paddles do, For whatever reason.
I kinda like the over rev protection on the auto adds a layer of mechanical sympathy to the car I want to enjoy the car long term
Yeah I don’t get involved in the auto vs manual battle but their is just some cars you are wasting ur money if ya get an auto
This is one of those cars.
@@R3c0nf1gur3d yep it is or like I have a 21 wrx and if ya buy the cvt it’s not really a wrx lol gotta have the 6 speed
I'm one of those who doesn't care if the DCT is faster; there's no replacing the amount of fun the clutch pedal brings.
@@kn6ht77 why even buy a sports car if you’re going to get it in auto.. makes zero sense..
@JT you're both ignorant. There's plenty of reasons. Disability, mileage, traffic. I've driven a manual since my Prelude Si. There's nothing special about it especially these days. The shifting difference is negligible.
I like Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ because it's affordable with reasonable mpg. Now the new one has bigger engine which is more expensive and worse mpg. In JPN zeikin (yearly tax) and shaken (2 year inspection) depends on engine capacity. Some 86/BRZ drivers want bigger engine with turbo for faster acceleration and higher top speed which make others confused. If you want those why don't you modify the the car after you buy it? Most Japanese cars are meant to be modified according to your taste. Or get a Supra. If you still cant' get enough, just get a V8 Mustang.
Cant wait to see one of these in person. With a manual, of course.
I want the manual but I'm gonna be going into traffic a lot where I live and I drive on the road a lot so I think its best to get automatic in my situation.
Get the manual and suffer anyways 😂
The clutch should be light in these things so it should be easy, I drive manual in traffic and its really not a big deal. You will REGRET getting the automatic trust me.
I've been there. In such situations you actually tune your heel-toe downshifts to perfection. From any gear to the needed one. High revving engines with low torque and autos don't work good together IMO.
Hyundai will deliver a rwd coupe eventually........
don't, just buy manual
Thx for the review I was rly interested to see the automatic…not as bad as before but the manual is still better especially for the fact that you have more control…anyway have a nice day 🙂
He looks like he had just as much fun sliding it in auto
Well, it's subjective.
@Suggon Deez he was pulling the paddle to downshift and it would deny him a lower gear… I’m sure the auto is reliable but it doesn’t seem “sporty”
@@carlshoemaker8967 they should use a faster torque converter…
@@o_o-_-8639 they don’t have one lol.
Buying this in automatic would be an absolute sin!
How so? As someone who would just DD this car, what's wrong with an auto?
@@KiraOniiChan Daily driving a manual is super easy, especially on a new car with driver assistance like this.
@@KiraOniiChan It's your choice of course, but I really don't see the point in getting the automatic. The manual is such a better gearbox, all around. The only reason you'd avoid it is a lack of confidence/practice, which can be learned as a skill. It really makes driving a lot more fun, I promise.
@@CrapeCraft That is very true but still nothing wrong with an auto lol
@@ThePilotGear I know how to drive but but I lived in Cali before and currently in AZ but still visit Cali a lot and the traffic in both places are just a nightmare which is honestly the only reason I would probably go with an auto
I see the automatic gave you some challenges that made you race drive. Which I found it to be more entertaining than the manual. Though realistically these car's are made for driving and not made for tracking.
Really wish I could see you push the auto in manual mode for a lot longer.
Man, a dream car for sure. I'm sure the dealer markups will be insane and I'm a typical broke millennial.
Does this Toyota 86 generation came with auto-revmatching? I would love to buy this MT in the futute if it gets older because I think it is a fun tuner car :)
If you want you could blip the trottle slightly when you downshift the paddle and it improves the auto rev matching it feels like
@@OhKnow379 I much prefer this car to have a manual gearbox because the Supra is automatic only (plus Supra is way overpriced). What I meant is the auto-revmatch feature which you don't need to heel toe downshift on fast curves. Thanks for informing how to operate paddles faster by the way.
@@clxx1302 no problems feel free to ask me anything
@@clxx1302 ohh on the car I’m not sure haha I misread.
Nope, the new GR86 does not have any automatic rev-matching on the manual models. The automatic does though.
I think that most buyers won't drive this on the track too often, and rather use it as a daily even. For daily automatic is just better nowadays hence 70% autos.
The shift programming on the auto acts exactly like my 2014 camry, wont let you downshift unless it can put the revs at least like 500 rpm below redline
@@Peter-ff1tp Wont allow you to downshift even into nearly 1k under redline. I've seen the same thing in a lot of Lexus/Toyotas. They just play it super safe/boring when it comes to auto programming.
I’m not confident enough in my coordination to drive manual but damn this car makes me want to learn after seeing how bad the shift paddles are.
If you can walk, you can drive a stick!
Trying to learn manu for this car brooo it looks like a lot of funn forsure gonna try stick
Your voice sounds exactly like the English dub Takumi Fujiwara in Initial D.
HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO FRS/BRZ WITH UEL HEADER AND TUNE, with & without E85?!?!
Give us the comparison other car reviewers can’t…
Much more torque down low and continues to pull to redline. I’d love to line them up sometime soon but until then I’m saying the new GR 86 feels like a noticeably quicker car than one that’s been tuned with a header
Yes, for the track the manual is the way to go but since most of these cars (>80%) will never see the track the auto is best. Having a manual that never sees the track is like having a car with 500+hp that never sees the drag strip.
getting an auto on this car is missing the point this is not a fast car its quick fun car for what it is but its not super fast and manual just make it far better to drive and far more fun auto will just numb the fun on this car if you want a fun car for this price with a super quick auto its better to look at cars like volkswagen gti with the dsg
Fake engine noise should be only for electric cars and the speakers should be on the outside of the car, so pedestrians can hear them coming.
This is just completely sad for me …
I reallyyy want a manual for my first car
But because my parents want to use the car too
I have to get an automatic
Gettin the brz
But an auto
Kinda sad
I just wanna experience that fun and always have the feeling where i can always have both my hands in use
4:37 honestly as long as the car has enough power and good setup to do that with the automatic, I’m happy.
I want to drift the thing anyways! 😂
I just get bored driving an automatic transmission, and I don’t like the feel or the timing of the gear shifting. This would probably not be the case in a more expensive model but I can spend a lot less and get great performance with a manual transmission.
As an owner of BRZ 2016 GEN1. I find it very hard to like the digital cluster to be honest. At a racing point of view I love the horizontal tachometer. I wonder if I will like it more when seeing it in real life tho. However, the old gen1 red glowing cluster simply looks amazing in the night. However I think that I will enjoy the 2.4 Liter engine and the bumped up torque dip. Well well Gen 1 and Gen 2 are simply two different sports cars afterall One is timeless the other is modern. I bet that I would miss my gen1 if i change to gen2 :( hard decisions here.
14FRS owner here. I think the 2.4L-86 looks less distinctive and has an overall peak power that is about the same as you would get with a catted header and OFT. I like the new one, but not enough to trade my fully paid low mileage used one. I don't need the torque bump as a downshift gets me more power anyways during normal spirited driving. I think mine makes something like 80 crank hp at 3000rpm so even 25% more is still a negligible amount compared to a downshift. If I were financing a used one at high interest rates, I'd consider selling retail and buying a new one at discounted Toyota/Subaru rates though.
@@dachanist I like your answer. To be honest the 200HP is enough. I can't even use my engine full out without the uncomfort idea to get speed ticket and losed license anyway :). Afterall the car was made to be fun, balanced and direct and thats what it is! Else we could buy a supra.
@@infestedalien If I were you, I would still go for a test-drive for the GR86/BRZ anyway. I prefer analog dials over digital displays too, but I think the stronger engine's more usable torque, and the rigid chassis and lower centre of gravity will far outweigh the negatives I see with this car. Those updates are only things that a manufacturer can do, not the aftermarket. A tuned up GEN1 may be just as fast as the GEN2, but the GEN2 with those same mods will always be pulling away.
If money wasn’t an issue I would have bought the 2016 Series.Hyperblue, 2017+ with the performance package (which I do have) and the 2nd gen.
@@BRZFA24 Nice one! when I bought my BRZ 2016 (old one, no face lift version) I was able to choose between the face lifted one. But I really liked the old one more in some way. The only thing I miss is not having the oil temp display on the old generation. The modification I've is Tein Flex Z coilovers and HKS Legamax premium catback and sound-generator remove.
im just here to see all the gatekeeping comments telling people that auto is bad and not considering the fact that maybe they either live in a high-traffic area or have a condition that prevents shifting
Shame that toyota dont have fast sporty dualclutch as new hyundai i30N have,(8DCT) toyota still have old hydrodynamic transmission which is not good for sports car... So yes take Toyota with manual :)
While the auto does appear much more lifeless than the manual for sure, the way it sounds and looks like to drive has a racing video game charm to it for me. Reminds me of playing forza like 10 years ago lol
The GR86 Premium was ny first car ive ever owned. I learned manual on it. I dont regret it AT ALL. Its an amazing car. Im loving every second of it. No need to be afraid or manual.
I can drive my Crosstrek with a CVT better than you can drive the AT BRZ.
I really dont understand people who'd buy a car like this with an automatic gearbox...
Older people that want a nimble car that handles nicely without having to row your own gears, basically buying a sporty car for relaxed driving on sunny weekends, Toyota clearly sold enough ATs to put them in the new 86.
I was thinking about it, would make me feel like I'm driving a GT3RS on the back roads if it had a good automatic but transmission in this thing just doesn't want to change gears all that much so probably can't get it. I'm looking for cheap RWD car with a great transmission. For the record, I can drive a stick shift, and have done it for years, I want to try a fast auto, and the only option was this or the Veloster N DCT but that's FWD and I don't want that :(
So that I can look at my phone instead of being distracted by changing gears often 🤣
A "drivers" car where all you do is step on the gas and brake, I agree, lame.
I'd always pick automatic over manual, it just depends on the type of person you are. I work in IT, I spent most of my time every day automating things, having to do something manually that can be automatic doesn't make sense to me.
I would get a manual car but I live in a city so it would be pretty repetitive to shift all the time especially in traffic jams if I lived in somewhere like Rural Texas or maybe a more rural area so I would prefer a Auto than a Manual.
Your test is a manual vs manual mode !!
LOL
It's good for a daily driver but thats about it😂 these kids are delusional thinking what people use cars for 99% of the time. A daily driver!! Why don't car companies build manuals anymore? Because people don't need track cars😂
i need one blew up and swap and h6 3.0l or the 3.6l ether one requires a bit more digging into the two engines and drive car with them to get a bit of a fell of engine power bands be a bit of a help
Funny on the FRS/86 overall sales only 33% choose the manual, while on the BRZ camp it’s 70%.
Does anyone know if any tuning will adjust the rev limiter in between shifting? The car definitely needs to be able to hold full gears, at a full rev range limit imo.....
Thank goodness this car is still offered with a manual, as even the resulting video is less visceral with the automatic. It will be interesting to see just how many owners will disable the piped in fake engine sound as soon as they get these home. Overall, this looks like a great job by Subaru/Toyota.
I would unplug it immediately.
what is the purpose of the fake engine noise inside the cabin? it's a ridiculous feature. i dont know how anyone can enjoy that knowing its fake engine noise
@@kimmichelle8557 This is part of what car makers have come up with for the gaming generation now that they are buying cars. Much of the tech appearing in cars today is there to appease those who can't go more than a few minutes without their smartphones. Cars and driving used to be purely analog in nature, but those days are long gone. From the infotainment systems and the fake engine noises to the LCD instrument panels, manufacturers are just giving the masses what they want, which helps them stay in business.
4:37 slidy boyyy
Would this be a good first manual car to get??
Yes one of the best for a first manual. Up there with GTI or WRX.
Am I the only one who thinks that they make the auto bad on purpose?
I think the worst part about getting the GR86 in manual... is that all the ones available around me are all auto :)
who is buying the automatic?
Me. They only had a Trueno edition in auto. My wife is happy AT least. 😅
i honestly don't understand the point of offering an automatic if it's going to seriously impact the driving experience like that. now if they made one with a really quick-shifting DCT that would be more interesting, but i guess it would be too expensive to develop + strays away from the concept of simplicity this car was designed around.
Very disappointing...
Are you aware there's paddles on the automatic which make it suck dramatically less
Wonder if using the stick when seq shifting in AT is faster than paddle shifters
More satisfying prolly
I wouldn’t mind an auto, lifted, AT tire’d BRZ for shits and grins.
I'm not the owner, but you can disable artificial sound at a dealer as I know
Absolutely beautiful driving!
In my young days we were happy to have a car to go grocery shopping, now every young person has track days. I guess we created lots of racers with this new generation, none talk about gas mileage or oil change but they all are racers and must have track days.
Not around here, I think few people do track days, they just drive hard on the street-especially at night.
its a extremely small subset of the population that are into cars. to most people it is just transportation. many younger people rather just rideshare everywhere and avoid entire cost of car ownership. we are fortunate a car like gr86 even exist anymore...
Toyota should take notes from the VW To make better auto transmissions.
If they’d use the Supra transmission it would’ve been perfect.
i like automatic more
For daily drive in city, do you still suggesting the manual one
No, driving manual in city traffic is anything but fun and comfortable.
don't let the comment section deceive you. Automatic is an excellent choice if you're into convenience and simplicity. Once the novelty of stick wears off, you'll be irritated by anything less than perfect traffic conditions
How would you say this new 86 compares to the current Miata in terms of driving around town and on the track?
Still has heavier controls, better steering, doesn’t feel as light and tossable as the Miata, but it’s great to feel similar power out of the 86 now. Basically it comes down to whether you want a convertible or a more practical sports car. I think you’ll have equal amounts of fun in both
@@TheTopher thank you! Definitely love the way the Miata drives, but don’t care for the convertible and prefer the space of the 86/BRZ.
funny how most reviewers pick the base model because the tires are more fun...
Are there going to be a large supply of automatics? Cant find 86 anywhere these days
Don’t think so, the dealership I went to has more manuals than autos coming in this fall
Jaystaa man my dealership straight up told me they don’t know anymore than I do on when the 86 is coming, maybe I need to call again
I have a 13 BRZ automatic I'm trying to sell. I'm trying to trade it for a manual 😂
@@goblinburgers suburu dealer told me late october to early November, I'm assuming toyota will be the same
@@zerotoux I'm buying hmu 🤙
Manuals are just more fun to drive!
Why are 70% of these cars automatic? The whole point of it is to have a manual transmission.
Really it’s just subjective. I’d prefer the auto cause I know it’ll shift smoother and faster than I could with my limited experience with manual and I’d have an overall better experience.
@@learntrigonometryeasily3609 The whole point of having a manual is to gradually learn how to optimize shifts and enjoy driving. It's a great way to connect with the car you're driving and the road itself. An automatic turns this into a generic car, which makes it pointless.
@@learntrigonometryeasily3609 you just contradicted yourself lmao. You want a smoother shifting experience but yet have limited experience with a manual? Practicing goes a long way you know
@@thearousedeunuch autos are way faster
@@parposeidon2363 It's a slow car. An automatic transmission won't win it any races. It will be faster than the manual version, but those marginal performance gains aren't worth the loss of driver engagement (as far as I'm concerned).
I know you probably don't like the audible gear shift notification, but I could really do with something like that in my mx5.
I find it hard to pay attention to the rev counter when my full focus is on the road.
I'm surprised there isn't an option like this available outside of an o.e.m installation.
I've googled but can only find l.e.d based rev notification kits.
Geez that auto is astonishingly bad!
I got an automatic kuz that's all they had at any dealer near me 😂
For the manual, can we turn the engine noise off?
Why would anyone buy a automatic brz/86 lolololol.
I was thinking about it, would make me feel like I'm driving a GT3RS on the back roads if it had a good automatic but transmission in this thing just doesn't want to change gears all that much so probably can't get it. I'm looking for cheap RWD car with a great transmission. For the record, I can drive a stick shift, and have done it for years, I want to try a fast auto, and the only option was this or the Veloster N DCT but that's FWD and I don't want that :(
Exactly
Over half of all sales in the US for the 86 over the years were automatic. I get that manuals are more fun and I enjoy them myself, that being said I also understand why people opt for the automatic and I respect that. If they made the BRZ/86 manual only, the sales would be abysmal and why would Toyota/Subaru even bother with a follow up car if they cant sell it? To each their own...
@@southernclassik Yeah, I forgot people in the US think driving a manual is an achievement
Not everyone likes manual gearing.
Oooh the manual elitists in the comments.
The auto actually seems like it's an alright drive, for some spirited driving on fun roads. While making the daily commute easier if it's your only car.
While yeah the manual is more suitable for track driving and being "pUrE". I'd still happily choose the auto as I, like a lot of other people can only afford to have the one car and would like something fun to drive. And with that, also has to be used everyday and driven in all conditions. You could argue I'd be better with something like an M240i or a Supra or an i30N and you'd probably be right.
Don't forget elitists, some people have injuries or disabilities that may prevent them from being able to drive a manual, are they less of an enthusiast if they buy the automatic 86 because they like the car, the way it drives and are happy to have the auto mainly as they are unable to drive the manual? Absolutely not. Does it make them a worse or lesser driver? Of course not. I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong by the auto bad crowd.
Honestly not sure why it exists when most cars now offer automated gearbox's only and are proving time and time again to be faster, more efficient, putting down the power better and be an overall better drive.
It has great engine sound like a Boxer 6 Porsche vibe. BUT, is that FAKE?