NEW Virtual reality PC with Quest 3 - reveal and tests - was it a mistake to buy it?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Quest 3 has been my VR headset for a while, but I just bought a brand new PC so I can play PCVR with Quest 3 via Steam Link, Air Link or Virtual Desktop. I do an unboxing of the new PC, as well as test it against my "old" computer (with a 2080ti graphics card) to see how it compares. Tested with NO MAN'S SKY and RAFT (with a VR MOD) to show detail and frame rate differences side-by-side. Was the cost of this DELL-BUILD Alienware computer worth it? The jury is out - let's see what we find out!
Music by: Jolly Julian
VR Headset: Meta Quest 3
Computer: Dell Alienware with 4090 GPU
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I REMEMBER WHEN I GOT MY PC FOR MY PCVR. It had to be the best it could be, almost sold my arm
LOL - hopefully not your dominant playing arm! Love that!
that's a pretty decent PCVR PC, which should work for quite some time. Apart from the memory, which should be at least 64GB in my opinion, the only thing i would have changed is the CPU platform, because this generation of mainboards with the FCLGA1700 socket will not be upgradable anymore. The Ryzen 7800X3D is the much better option with a similar to faster performance and lower price plus lower power consumption. Also the AM5 platform will be compatible to future AMD CPUs. I would not choose Intel for any gaming PC. The 7950X or the X3D versions are a very good option too, if you want to use the PC for productivity.
Good points here, and I did agonize a bit over Intel vs. Ryzen (my old computer is a Ryzen). Everything I read online had pluses and minuses for each, so went with what the Alienware from Dell came with. But I see your points, and you may very well be right on that one.
theres a lot of info that could have been added to the video. i also own a 2080 ti and would like to know are you using link cable or wireless pcvr if wireless what router and settings do you have. also what meta link pc app settings are you using 72hz 80hz 90hz ect and what render resolution you have it set. are you using steam vr what settings do you have steam vr set to? and if you are using metas pcvr link are you using OculusDebugTool? i get good results with a 2080 ti just changing a lot of these settings but having a 4080 super or a 4090 can change diff be a upgrade to the settings
GREAT points here, and I'm in the process of testing Steam Link vs Virtual Desktop with the VR BEAST to see how they work and compare. I'll probably do a video of that coming soon as well! For now - using Steam Link over WIFI 5 for the tests in this video. Set to 72hz. Hope that helps!
Glad to see it is living up to your expectations, now there is so many games to try with UEVR... And you are probably convincing me into buying Flight Simulator now.
Flight sim is just fantastic. Hard to run it - it's a HOG, but it is so ZEN for me. And UEVR has been great! Going to do a few videos about that at some point soon as well! Keep that VR going!
I have a quest 3 and run virtual Desktop with 72hz and with all the settings maxed out and enabled darker darks and brighter brights. I also am using the snapdragon sharpening techniques enabled. If you have a high end wifi 6 system like my 2000 dollar one, I recommend it and set the steamVR to 70%. This will off load all the pc performance to the headset. Using the oculus software or the steamVR app in quest 3 for wifi it looks okay but virtual desktop takes it to the next level. No man's sky will look awesome too with all settings maxed. Running this setup is like running the index at 500% supersampling. It is super sharp, colors pop, darks and brights pop. and you have improved performance fps.
All great points - I will be looking into all of this, and testing more out going forward now that I have the machine here, and initial tests proving fruitful! More Virtual Desktop testing coming vs steam link as well!
i would not recommend setting the STEAM VR resolution to anything else than 100%. Changing that value in any direction uses more VRAM and the image the game renders is downscaled just to be upscaled by Virtual Desktop again. It's much better to use DLSS in games like No Man's Sky, either going for VD HIGH and DLSS set to Quality or VD GodLike and DLSS set to Performance up to Quality depending on your GPU and VRAM capacity. But either way, VD's option for SuperResolution and Sharpening really enhances the image quite a lot.
Your internal gam resolution I noticed was set to 150%. For me, this always makes games lag. After setting this to 100 or 103 it's always smooth for me on my low end build
Nice point - I'll have to test that out as well.... I don't even remember boosting that, but that may have been back from my Valve Index days, and I never tried setting back to 100. Thanks much!
MS flight yes. Because that pushes your machine. But second should have been half-life alyx. The details you can get and see are amazing
These details is why I can't play it through. This game looks too good to be this scary. 😂
Oh man - I'm going to need to play Half-Life Alyx for a 3rd time now! FOR SURE! That game is just incredible. The gameplay is easy, and not super-compelling all the time, but the environments and graphics. Second to NOTHING. Yes, I can't wait to load that one back up!
@@jollyjulian have you played any of the mods.
how did you connect it to your computer?
Good question - I'm using STEAM LINK and / or VIRTUAL DESKTOP, and playing wirelessly. I MAY test it out with my Valve Index (cabled) to see how compares, but I just love the Quest 3 so much, it will be hard to go back to the Index, even if cabled for less latency.
I mostly play PCVR and I would highly recommend going for 80hz instead of 72hz. 80hz more or less looks like 90hz to most people and it just feels better than playing at 72hz.
Great point, and I do pop between them, and I can't say I notice a difference. But I'm going to keep testing. I don't think my eyes / brain are as attuned to that as some people. Thanks for the heads-up!
Nice PC, I'm jealous.
Well, don't be too much. It cost a lot. LOL.... but I am happy with it so far! More to come... thanks for the comment!
Do you have a psvr2. I heard no man's sky looks and runs best on playstation. With the foveated rendering. Just curious if you had a comparison to your 4090.
Runs great on my PC. Don't want a playstation. never have.,
I don't own a PSVR 2, and I've heard the same thing - that that's the best platform for NMS. However, I'm pretty thrilled with how it's looking on the new computer. Not so great on the older one, but playable. Would love Foveated rending with eye-tracking in a non-PS headset someday soon. Meta, get on that. We love ya!
Greetings, oh bearded One. I see your new alien friend is faring well, hu?^^ Eff it, i'm officially jealous again... I did look at the overall performance on your wrist-meter: Have you noticed how much more strain is put on the old machine? Your new VR Beast isn't only faster, it also carries the load with much less system resources spent. That speaks for itself and SCREAMS! for higher quality graphics settings ;) If i had the opportunity i would go all out except for the overclocking, like you said. Otherwise i agree with Chris, my pre-author. Virtual Desktop has a whole bag of tricks up it's sleeve and you shouldn't miss out on those. And now go and have fun , you little rascal ;P
Thanks for the message, and yeah, as I was editing the video, I noticed the same you did - how much better both GPU and CPU did handing everything. I guess I should expect that (and it better for the cost!) LOL.... The cool thing is, I didn't realize how choppy things looked on my old computer till I got the new one, but I've had a BLAST playing stuff for YEARS in VR on that old one! Even without top-of-the-line, VR is still awesome! Oh, and I'm testing out Virtual Desktop now as well, especially for MSFS 2020 - video coming soon on that!
Virtual desktop has gave me nothing but issues. terrible black edges glitching in soon as you load it up. and it goes to syteamVR environment and it's so bad i can
't shut it down and have to hard rest my headset. I even bought a wifi 6 router. gave up and just use link cable and get to play instead of getting all hot and bothered trouble shooting for nothing. I had it work once or twice pretty well but always with stutter. I gave up on it and using link cable have no problems and tbh the cable makes no difference. If it works for you though that is great. I wish I hadn't spent £15 on virtual desktop. I coulda got a game. but everyone was sayingf that was the way to go.
Yeah, it's interesting how some people have more trouble with Virtual Desktop than others. I've had some issues, but not bad, and it seems to run fine. And if the cable works for you, just go with that. Totally good! If you haven't already, you could try STEAM LINK as well. I've used that a lot and had almost NO issues. It's pretty much install and go. Very simple.
I wanted to get a laptop that has a 4070 that's on sale for $1000. Do you think this is good enough to use for VR???
For 1000 usd you probably can't get a better Gpu than a 4070 in a laptop, would love to see what other specs that particular laptop got?
A 4070 mobile could be considered a bottom line mid-tier GPU, which isn't the best but is mid-tier anyway, what holds it back is that it has less VRAM than its desktop counterpart. Aside from that, being a laptop, you should also consider the CPU (since you won't be able to change any of those after), and the available RAM, as it is also important for stable PCVR, 32 gigs and above is recommended... And for your own sake, do get a cooling base for your laptop, as it will inevitably run hot while playing, even the best cooling systems benefit with a cooling base.
@nishomzawan5196 ASUS TUF 15.6. It has an i7. All other 4070s go for $1500 on sale and my current PC is 10 years old so it can't run any VR what so ever. I wanted something that can at least run games like Skyrim VR. I'm tired of Quest 3 basic games.
Great question, and I'm always a desktop person instead of laptop, but I don't have to be mobile at all with it. As far as I know, for the money, you'll still get better performance and specs from a desktop than a laptop, for the price. However, there are AMAZING laptops out there that will play VR. But, when you look at the 4090 card, for example, it's bigger and heavier than most laptops by themselves. Can not get something like that in a laptop. I'd bet that, even the 4070 for desktop will be more powerful than the one in a laptop, but I can't be sure on that one. Great question - and whatever you do, try to upgrade so you can play PCVR. Even if not perfectly. It's amazing, as you know.
Haha.. i love that youre careful. But you wont cook the gpu if you OC it. You wouldnt even know how to do that. Gpu's nowadays have so many fail safes that you really have nothing to worry about. If the very small chance that it cooks... by some miracle. Then just dont twll them and they have absolutely no way of knowing. CPUs do have a little bit more of a chance which i dont see you doing it, you are using more the 4090 than anything else.
I love how excited you are. Id be over the moon with a 4090! I hope you get the most out of it and enjoy!
Btw.. you can get up to 120 not 90 now. So at least go to 90. Theres soooo many PCVR games that absolutely amaze
Oh and learn about wabbajack mods. Its made for people not very knowledgeable about modding games. It does it in an easy to use package. So you can play Skyrim and Fallout in a way only few can enjoy
Great points, and I look forward to experimenting with overclocking at some point hopefully soon! I think I'm going to try some 120hz vs 72hz soon to see if I notice a major difference there. More frames are better, but I just don't seem to notice a major difference, so I keep it at 72. I think my eyes and brain just don't register it the same as some. Thanks for the advice!
Looks great, i recommend a wifi 6E router to keep the wireless dream alive
Yeah, considering that - wondering if it will be a large enough "jump" from the wifi 5 router I have.... but really considering it!
Are you using Air Link, Virtual Desktop, or Link cable?
For these tests, this was STEAM LINK over wifi 5. I also use Virtual Desktop. I don't like link cable (gets in the way, comes unhooked) - I just like the wireless so much!
@@jollyjulian you can setup a hotspot from your pcs wifi dongle and use that to connect with wifi 6e on your quest3
I prefer to build my own Pc's though.
Totally understandable, for sure. If I had any major knowledge in that area, I would try, but I'm just impatient. LOL....
with that 4090 you have there you could have that card in
a 20 year old pc and it would run amazing lol
not really, to be honest. CPU load on some games could be higher than a midrange Ryzen 5800X3D can handle. That is the bare minimum you need to run PCVR. If you have a 4090 everything below a Ryzen 7800X3D would not make any sense.
LOL - I'll bet it would help, but I've found that CPU is just as important as GPU for VR, for some reason. Or at least close to it. So, upgrading the CPU was important to, I suspect.... but would be a good test, if I could fit the 4090 in my old machine! I think it's too big! LOL
You need to discard all the BS about VDXR and virtual desktop. No matter what anyone says it can never provide the visuals link cable can.
I have a 4090 and 7800x3d and have tweaked this setup with quest 3 to the max.
Try 72hz on max res in oculus. Then download oculus tray tool and supersample to 1.4. Depending on the game you can then run massive visuals at native 72hz or if on a demanding game like MSFS 36fps with ASW on auto.
That may be possible, and perhaps I'll rebuy a link cable (gave mine to a friend years ago), and do some tests. I've found the graphics to be just great wireless, and I do LOVE not having the cable. More than I even thought I would, having played on Valve Index for many years. And I will try out the tray tool with the super-sampling. See if that makes it even better, but so far - very pleased! Thanks for the comment.
He’s definitely gonna return it video coming soon on why he will 😆🤦🏾♂️
Hmmmmm - well, now you have me REALLY wondering on this one! So far, I don't have plans to return the computer - I'm really digging it! I mean, I know I could have made it for less than I paid Dell to build it for me, but other than that, I've been very happy so far. What should I be looking out for. What might I be missing? You have my attention... LOL
I'm with you man, I would rather pay premium for something that has more of a warranty and guarantee to work right out of the box. Excited to see where your channel goes.
yeah, more expensive, but I sleep better at night. I think. LOL - we shall see!
Your New PC is a Beast! Alienware has always been a High End Product. I just built my own. It is more Fun! I paid $900 out of pocket for my RTX4090 card. Aww, Mann I have that game Raft I bought when it was on sale. Is it any good in VR…? I need to try it out! Heck Yeah! 😉👌
You got a 4090 for $900!!! You lucky duck
@aarongarcia2911 Well, I gave the seller my MSI Gaming X Trio card RTX3090 as well, but, yes, I only spent $900 cash out of pocket I felt like it was a good deal. I wanted to upgrade before my Pimax crystal light headset came in. 😉👌😁👍
Dang, my friend! $900 for a 4090!!!??? Okay, that is a STEAL. Impressive! And I'll bet building it was fun. I'm not a very good "building" person, although I feel like I would probably enjoy it if I did it. Maybe someday!
@jollyjulian That Alienware 👽 you got is good enough. I was actually playing some today using my Yaw Motion Simulator. I picked it up for $600 😊👍 The person who sold it to me didn't know how to use it. He said he $2K for it. We'll, I invested the time on learning how it works, and I got it working. I've been playing my Space games with it using a Hotas flight stick. with the Pimax Crystal Light headset. It is absolutely amazing.
I have better performance on steam link app with my pc
Yeah, I'm liking Steam Link a lot. Virtual Desktop when I want more control (and the great ASW the creator put in there)!
@@jollyjulian i need to retry vitual desktop i never retry since steam link appear