Which is why we love learning and studying a multitude of various unrelated things that have no "useful" purpose other than the pure enjoyment of knowledge itself. Few things are more enjoyable to me that going down the rabbit hole and getting up to speed on some new random interest. Case in point, MBTI cognition classification as of late.
+WeKnowTheTruth2012 It's not being lazy, it just means that you don't get things done, because instead of staying with one task, you start going off on other tangents?
+good bye Well, I'm not going to try to write a similar dissertation by way of a response! However, I have noted that I expend way too much effort on things that I'm interested in, vs not. Were it laziness, I wouldn't bother at all. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, but I see what you have written as only that.
Me either. I tend to overthink and it drives me to put things off. I don't like to do something until I feel like I have enough information (which is never).
My boyfriend is an INTP, and I am an INTJ, and you are absolutely right about knowledge. INTJs use knowledge as a tool to find a means to an end. For INTPs, knowledge is the means to an end.
Brayen Summogum Very true. My boyfriend likes to acquire all this knowledge just to have knowledge. It confused me when we first started dating, but after being together for almost three years now, I wouldn't want it any other way. Meanwhile, I try to obtain knowledge in order to help me accomplish something.
at every fucking test i scored INTP 2 or 3 times in the last year. But most of the time i seek knowledge as a tool to find a means to an end. lol i dont know, maybe it is my reasoning that i seek knowledge to develop myself instead if just wanting more knowlegde. Got a slightly different motivation for knowledge than most INTPs
Personally, as an INTP, it's not like don't use the knowledge I learn as a tool in certain situations. I find the differentiation between the INTP and INTJ is their attitude while in the middle of learning. Or their _motivation_ for learning. I feel like INTJs (I'm not one so I'm not sure) pursue a vein of learning with it's use as a tool in mind. An INTP (me) will simply pursue learning and knowledge, they just want to learn, think, and gather knowledge that interests them. But when the opportunity reveals itself, of course the INTP will utulize the knowledge he/she has as a tool to facilitate a process, give information to make something easier for someone else, or complete a task. I think both types contain both motivations for learning, it's just that INTJs motivation is dominated by it's potental as a real-world use, while INTPs motivation is dominated by simply the urge to learn. Maybe your balance is less heavy on the "simply want to learn" side of the scale. Just as an example, an INTP may research the properties of light, how it refracts, how colours are created by light and how it refracts. And they will learn that simply because they are interested. But if that INTP is also a photographer, then if that knowledge of light can be used as a tool in their photography then voila. Whereas an INTJ wil research the properties of light with the intent to use it in his photography from the very beginning. I think that's a decent summary
Before I found out that I am an INTP I realized that I have trouble explaining my thoughts and many times ill give up with a |"never mind" that people perceive as being rude. Also my mouth is kind of small for my tongue because of evolution so im not the greatest at talking.
The sad bit is when you learn this as a kid cause your parents actually tell you to shut up, they can’t be dealing with your non-stop chatter about all your observations/ideas so you do just shut up and never talk to them about anything ever again and get weirdly depressed for the next 10 years, quietly thinking about the world and how people get the weird ways they do
I’m an INTP and I’m a chemist. On the first day of college, when my General Chemistry professor asked us why we chose that program, I answered “because I want to understand how the world works”
I always found chemistry hard because it felt like a lot of rote learning few concrete "systems". It felt hard to intuitively understand a lot of it. Not sure if that was me misunderstanding it or not.
I do agree with most of your points though. Especially the part about seeking knowledge for its own sake rather than its practical value. And, dislike of bureaucracy and society's focus on appearances over substance and quality. I'd rather wander the woods thinking about stuff the rest of my life than ever have to have a corporate job, but alas.
Even tougher when you evolve to a whole household. I'd so love to be able to afford a maid but how would I deal with someone getting in and disrupting my organized clutter? What is an INTP to do?
TheDreadLord you will, at some point. Not literally trust but something like it, maybe give the person the illusion that you trust him. I too can't trust anyone.
+Jakob Michaels As an INTP myself, I don't believe in astrology, but can find the concept of it entertaining. I find the archetypes and symbolism fascinating, especially when applied to larger cultural trends past and present. Moreover, it is a flippant observation to keep an eye on just in case it coincides with anything else in the future. Just like all the woo around mind/body connections versus the placebo effect and the actual neurological/physiological phenomenon that can go on when one is in a more calm state of mind (within reason - one cannot think themselves into modulating their insulin resistance, for example). It's a fun, giant puzzle of observation, speculation and extrapolation. : D Heck, I don't even fully apply myself to the Myers-Briggs type system, but it's damned fun once in a while to buff your ego when it coincides with the description so well.
Yes! For the Ne thirst of new concepts, they'll take on astrology, maybe remember several core facts about it. Do they believe it? No. Just for fun. For me i use it so i could have interesting convo with people, cause a lot of people find astrology amusing.
+Jakob Michaels astrology and this myers briggs thing circles around the same archetypes and those archetypes exists. myers briggs ask you: do you like chocolate? then gives you the result: "chocolate lover".. duhh... alrighty then. but astrology gives you tons of space. if you are %49 extraverted and %49 feeling are you still an intp? N and P is pretty strong with me but very turbulent with the others. in fact, i hate the fact that intps associated with robots. i love poetry, i love love, i am such a cool robot, i can let myself feel and i can switch to "lets parteeey" mode as well. you look at astrology, you see one inconsistency (did you check all the aspects? all the other planetary placements in your natal chart? in what house, what element, stuff are, if stuff is more fixed heavy or cardinal oriented? if those planets exalted or in fall? so many more things to consider but hey, it's cool.) and you call astrology bullshit. well, i see more inconsistencies.. or rather crudeness and stiffness in myers briggs. so yeah. astrology is much more fun. astrology is made of many more pieces. much better for brain gymnastics. astrology is a like ouija board, you call your own soul (while interpreting your own natal chart) and then you talk with your soul via astrological symbols. rising is aries... is this why i do like this and like that? see, that just gave you a new perspective. kinda thing.
+dudabar2 you hate it because you can't put yourself in their shoes but that 10 years old kid can .... and .... that makes you better? or you can see that they are in a bad position, you just don't care? you don't need someone to make the point? - mom, today someone was bleeding to death and i just walk over him cause in my mind i was thinking important stuff. intp achievement unlocked: 11 years old and no empathy already! stop this stupid embrace the inner shitty robot movement under intp videos, it's nothing to be proud of.
+altarf asellus australis Talk about missing the point. It's insulting, because it either ASSUMES that you've overlooked something as obvious as putting yourself in someone elses shoes, and that you have to be reminded of it. (Meanwhile in reality, you have evaluated the situation from all angles in great detail). Or it's simply a cheap attempt at invoking an emotional response from you,because making a logical argument is proving to be difficult. which brings up...don't you HATE it when others just go ahead and assume they know what you're thinking but get it completely wrong? eg as above.."that makes you better?" the baseless assumption here being that i think i'm better. let me assure you, you are not a psychic and you have no idea what i'm thinking. (i don't think in terms of better/worse as it's subjective and meaningless to me)
dudabar2 it is freaking simple, if someone is poking you and go "how would you feel" that's because you are being insensitive, you are not being emotionally expressive, you are not giving any proper reaction considering the gravity of the situation. if they do it for no reason, then sure it would be annoying but i will go and assume there's a reason for that person to poke you. nobody knows what you feel inside. i am no psychic, you are not either. we can't read minds. evolution gave us these extremely emotive faces for a reason. use it. it's a tradegy, it's a very sad accident and you are like, still being a robot and not affected by that one bit, you are still being ice cold pure logic so that's why they ask you. also i didn't assumed anything i only explored two options. 1. you lack empathy, you don't care. 2. you know it's bad, you are not expressing how bad do you think that is and when someone point that out you hate it. what were you expecting though?
Paolo Joventino Go Theoretically, yes. But, being an INTP and knowing this scenario only too well, I got burned out doing it. It's ridiculously annoying when someone tries to state something as if it's truth when it can easily be picked apart within seconds and when that said person won't accept logic to enter their mind. It'll end up making the F person pissed, which is just plainly irrational, leaving *me* pissed, and there's nothing learned, nothing gained anywhere. And to begin with, I was just like trying to help. Going in the wrong direction gets you nowhere. Fact checks was so much more draining than it should've been, so I grew tired of it. Like the guy in this video talking about individual moral responsibilities, I'm like "let the fools stay fools if that's what they want"
+1 this is ti vs fi dom. ixfps attach their beliefs to themselves (their beliefs make them who they are) with fi so if you try to correct them they think you are attacking them personally.
One of the great blessings of my life is the fact that Michael Pierce, a true philosopher, took an interest in Jungian typology. I have read at last Motes and Beams few months ago, which I now consider to be one of the greatest books I have ever read. For me it is the final part of the trilogy that contains Jung's Psychological Types and Gifts Differing. It is absolutely indispensable for a complete understanding of types.
I would just like to say that you are, in my opinion, the best narrator in terms of organization and vocalization, when it comes to informative videos, that I have found on UA-cam thus far. Thank you for these MBTI videos. I will be sure to check out your other material. Keep up the good work.
Am an INTP and my friends used to tell me I like arguing in things I already know the answer of in my mind...my answer to them was “ Yeah but am trying to see if you would agree or give me another prospective...if it will be again in agreement with my own conclusion” our minds is just a logical loop till we find something new and more fascinating.
I agree that it was very interesting, but I have ADD so I had trouble focusing. I’m an INTP, so I love learning and thinking, but I can’t pay attention to certain things.
As an INTP I think you just described why I am watching these videos about personalty types. In your words, abstracting and trying to understand the underlying mechanism of personality. It's like a map to the human, and indeed that is of interest to me as a rather stereotypical INTP. Thanks for the video. I will now continue procrastinating by watching more of these.
At the risk of nitpicking, at 4:03 when you have 3 sets of Maxwell's equations, the set on the left is the integral form, the set in the middle is the differential form, and the set on the right is actually exactly the same as the middle except for the font. (Although all of my comments on your work so far have been criticism, I do think your videos are fantastically good!!)
Darian Bogard aside from the test itself being Bullshit and been proven as far to over simplistic by modern physiologists and thus a poor premise to try and play into identity politics there also is no choice or achievement inherent in defining traits if so being proud of it is foolish .
+Howard Ackerman The test isn't bullshit, because, for a start, it isn't physical, which shit from a bull is. Also, I think that when they said they were 'proud' that might be a misnomer and what they meant might have been 'happy with that interpretation', or some cousin of that. Happy trolling!
when i was a kid i was an expert on the bubonic plague, even understanding the scientific makeup of it at 6 and memorizing every infamous pirate at 7 only to later become an expert on ww2 at 9... my intp level is maxed out
I have been studying Jungian typology for about 15 years now. I got to the point where I was able to hold Keirsey's ideas, the MBTI, and socionics as just different perspectives on the same thing. I finally started developing some of my own theories. I boiled down F T N S into four verbs to easily get a sense of each function. To value, to know, to be, to do respectively. Maybe because I'm a logic teacher I immediately see this template of four everywhere including typology. It seems like so many things can be grouped similarly to the four main branches of philosophy; ethics, epistemology, metaphysics, and aesthetics. The irony here is that I have vacillated between calling myself an ENTP and an INTP. When I was younger I thought I was an ENFJ but later realized that the evangelical subculture I was apart of held the characteristics of that type as a goal to be achieved. You have to be willing to proselytize. You have to believe abstract "truths" deeply. You must be people focused. You must show faithfulness and consistency in matters that others can observe. All these implied, and sometimes outright, directives made me feel as if that was what I was supposed to be. As I grew to dislike those shackles, I realized I was indeed an ENTP... or maybe INTP... :) So, I have said all of that to say this: These are the best videos of their kind that I have ever seen. You truly have a gift, from the visuals, to the structure, this is all exceptional. Thank you so very much. I finally feel comfortable claiming INTP. My outgoing nature and love of studying people, which led me to both a degree in Economics and a position as a teacher of middle school and high school aged students, has kept me from accepting the INTP label even when ENTP didn't fit in all the places it should have. But, your video was a revelation. I look forward to more. I hope you don't stop before you are through with all sixteen types. Again, thank you. p.s. Do you ever see yourself commenting on the interaction among the types? Say for instance INTP with ENFP ;)
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoyed them and found them useful! I will dutifully create all sixteen type videos, no worries about that. And I have been thinking about doing type interaction videos, can't say which one I would start with, but I would probably intersperse them in between my regular sixteen types videos. :)
I mean, math is a language - an interpretation of reality. 1 + 1 is 2 because the system is designed in this way... 2 is just a symbol. If 1 + 1 were 3, 3 would mean the same thing as 2, in my thoughts at least.... But if you have an apple+apple, you will always end up with apple+apple and not apple+apple+apple, regardless of whether or not we call the amount 2 or 3.
I remember when I was 5 and our soccer team scored and everyone jumped into a big heap and I was the only kid on the field wondering why they did that. I remember it because I felt I was too old for that, I was happy sure, but it just wasn't for me. I was thinking more like, "why?"
Phunny Yo also at school pep rallies I would be the one guy sitting down reading a book while near 2000 people were yelling and stomping on the bleachers.
Do INTPS have so many interests and hobbies they they often get so distracted and scattered to just focus on a few? and end up not completing many things?
Yeah. They can be just like typical ENFPs in that sense. I’d say a certain proportion of ADD but genuine attention-deficit disorder is rare in strongly-introverted types by their very staid, reserved-thinking nature.
"Another example is in 'The Hero With A Thousand Faces'" he says as I blurt out "what the fuck" because the book is sitting right behind me on my desk... INTP
As a Intp I think your presentation was spot on and one of the best I have seen. As someone who has the gift ( curse ) of extreme empathy that aspect can't be ignored. Now I have to re watch the video for the forth time to see if it was there or not for the mind tends to wander don't you know.
I like how your dull tone but vivid articulation appeal to the thinking types perfectly because I can't see many "feelers" being entertained enough to watch the entire video, although I quite enjoyed your explanations.
INFP here and Michael is by far my favorite person to listen to on MBTI typology because of his accurate in depth insights and beautiful eloquency, which I never find boring. INFPs dominant function is introverted feeling, btw 😉
INFP I personally love his tone of voice it allows things to be easily understood and it's very calming I also really love his choice of words it made it very easy to understand
4:47 When I was a teen, I used to blur my vision to see a fuzzy view to recognize other elements. I did that by looking at my finger (6" / 15 cm) apart and then move away my finger and keep my focal point unchanged. I can do that now by only taking off my glasses. LOL.
Michael, your work is absolutely beautiful. I love these archetypal portraits of the types, every single video was a joy, including your philosophy ones. I personally think of God, if there is one, as not merely a moral force, but also an amorally (not immorally) aesthetic one. After all, all nature is mathematical so God is kind of a nerd. When I watch these videos, I imagine the higher power with its canvas, painting the mathematical structure of the types. I thought the ISTJ video as redeeming, and believe that the general type community should generally go the direction you are on, with the clarifications you made and unbiased, but tasteful views. You found yourself a loyal subscriber.
I like how he simply addressed the Universal Morality by going meta, in a way showing he has a larger perspective in the situation and is looking at a more fundamental part of that statement.
Going through these videos - it just shows how much our world sucks, that people are forced to bow down to so many systems (schools, jobs, etc...) that are really private dictatorships, instead of being free to develop themselves. Perhaps if these social structures where necessary, but they are not (an argument beyond scope of this post) due to technology, but "we" (society) doesn't use technology to free people from the drudgery or work. Is there a type that is more likely to be content going into some stupid, pointless job everyday and putting in hours, than another?
No, not from what I understand. Most people accuse the SJ types of this, but that's mostly because of David Keirsey's characterization of them as the "worker bees", because, as a lot of people seem to think, , but I've never met a true cattle person and neither did Jung propose one, which only goes to solidify your point.
yes, i wonder the same thing alll the time. and coming from an enfp, believe me; i hate the way society is structured. and yes, there is; for an instance, an esfj and estj will much much more quickly conform to society than an infp and enfp. that being because esfjs and estjs are sensing judging types; meaning the see the facts, see society in a practical and sensible way (sensing) and their judging quality causes them to base thier life off the system they live in, judging it and conforming to it; using it to better thier lives. but infps and enfps have primary and secondary introverted feeling; and extraverted intuition; meaning that we prize individuality and authenticity, follow what we believe inside regardless of outer influence even if it isnt very profitable or practical (Fi) and we see posibilities in things, we love the new, change (Ne) so we specifically dislike conforming to the defaults, we like change and unconventionality; which makes us blatantly less likely to try fit ourselves in. (truly sorry if i sound a little biased, i am strngly and enfp, and i really, Really dont like this world we live in and its customs.) and btw, dont think i dislike those 2 types; my mother is an estj (sometimes like an esfj) and she is incredibly reliable, and fun too, i have a lot of respect for them actually^^
yea, you're right on that, good point, and its that its always doing both, and in some way tricking people into think they have something that they don't. question is, which one is it doing more? and as an enfp..? well...its terribly complicated, but i don't do society at all...i pretty much never get out, because i am never comfortable out there, so', i'm like an infp, but i Know am an extravert, so i'm not really an infp, i'm not sure whether i am more passionate and sentimental than creative and unconventional, i take it as i am recoiled into my auxiliary and inferior functions. nonetheless i Don't cope with society. just stay away from it as much as possible. i still love people as individuals a lot of the time though. what is. ur type?
..*nods nods* yea..my friend; i have thought of a LOT of things..but like i said, its woefully complicated and to be honest..my Wants are the least of the priorities here. if i could make a decision like that, i probably could find a situation that suits me. but i cant. i'll look up the book though, see if i can manage to get it
La Campanella. Frank Liszt. Opening piece. Fun fact: La Campanella was originally composed by Nicollo Paganini. Liszt adapted it to piano from the violin.
I am a true INTP, but I ABSOLUTELY don't believe in universal morality. It's simply contrary to logic and reason. I rather agree with Spinoza's conception of universal logic over morality. But great video indeed.
the people who are the most moral are the ones who are not moral, they are conscious enough to not have a need to do things such as murder and rape, Spinoza is one of my favorite philosophers he actually 'GET'S' and understands life i respect that allot,
I will say consider universal morality in terms of evolutionary consequences, in that it is not to say there is a blanket one size fits all moral slate for all individuals, but that all moral frame works can be boiled down to universal general moral principles that emerge solely due to evolution and the fact of human existence in social context. With that morality may not seem so unreasonable, or rather contrary to reason.
I find your voice gratifyingly monotonous. ;) Great description by the way. I definitely had a desire for and weird conviction that I would find some sort of universal underlying knowledge as I was growing up. But I decided to study the 'softer' sciences and I think that has made me very skeptical of ever finding anything absolute in the world of human beings, including ethical principles. I presume that many INTPs resign themselves to taking a relativistic view of morality because they find it hard to find anything definitive on which to anchor their thoughts. I'm sure I'll change my mind as I age but it's quite hard not to have a nihilistic outlook on things and I don't think I'm quite ready to take the leap of faith/logic/whatever-it's-called to get out of this state. Anyway, I look forward to seeing more typology videos from you.
fileflies Yeah...I actually think that my way of wording some of things in this video were very misleading, especially how I talked about "an absolute, universal morality". What I should have said was maybe "personal, logical understanding", in the sense that while Te finds logic to be something merely practical, useful, but imperfect (like Nietzsche in many instances), Ti finds logic, if properly employed, to be by nature perfect and representing a perfect logical realm that can shed insight on our own, rather like Plato and Bertrand Russell. So an INTP can most certainly have a more nihilistic attitude, but it is grounded on what the INTP considers perfect, theoretical principles that hold true through the universe. Even if the principle is that "theoretical principles do NOT hold true through the whole universe", this is still treated as a logical principle underlying the whole universe. At least that's what I think for now. In any case, my wording was especially misleading precisely because I think INTPs and ENTPs are very often, in fact, perhaps almost always nihilistic in the sense that you're talking about, or resign themselves to a certain skepticism or realist cynicism, or even just plain pessimism, for instance: Blaise Pascal (ENTP), Machiavelli (ENTP), Hannah Arendt (INTP), or Parmenides in the sense that he rejected the idea of change, progression, or movement (INTP). An idea that a viewer of mine (called Heavy Mole) discussed was a new way to think about the "function axes categories" I talked about in the titular video. He described the category for NTPs and SFJs as considering the self as given and the outside world as given, meaning that the primary task of an individual is to understand these things properly so that they may have productive commerce with them (relating them to the traditional element of water, which by nature flows). This relates well to the idea of NTP skepticism and cynicism, because its an understanding of the universe that is set and given: morality is relative. That's a given statement. Now we just act accordingly. Thus, the idea of a "leap of faith" doesn't necessarily jive well with NTPs, at least not if presented that way. It would need to come as a change in one's own understanding of the universe and realization that he/she had been wrong about it. That's just what I think though. I don't suppose that's useful to you?
As an INTP and a potent nihilist, I can definitely get behind what you said in the footnote. I do find the contrast between our ability to accept outside opinions and our stubbornness to be amusing
+FuckYouGoogle Indeed, I believe there is no universal morality. That is the point of nihilism, that morals are not of any importance and hold no authority. Not that they do not exist, but they ultimately do not make a /universal/ difference. As stated in the note in the description.
+Joshua Reuter 20th century Europe was fairly Nihilistic and as a result gave birth to WWII- nazism, communism, fascism, and ultimately totalitarianism. I understand that as an INTP morality doesn't seem necessary particularly in the face of rationality and logic. However, a majority of the world is not NF or NT, and in that large sphere morality is necessary, because mass suffering and death are not pleasant phenomena even for the most sentimentally callous of individuals.
I have never found any evidence for a universal morality. I do think there is an innate goodness (subjective) in most humans, but not all. It was probably a plus as far as evolution goes. But a great video and clear speaking voice. INTP
tacoma200 That's more or less what it is about. Also remember that the axis descriptions are less about what is logically evident (most people, including high-Fe types, can see that people are separate entities for example) and about what seems viscerally true, like the difference between understanding that the river is cold and actually jumping into it yourself. Finally, consider that INTPs repress Fe, which is more about the equalitis and universal kindness stuff. It's similar to how the Te/Fi axis both champions individuality as well as the superiority of some people over others. To put this into display, here are some rather blunt quotes from INTJs (Ni Te Fi Se), who prefer Te over Fi, but consciously have both: Nietzsche: "What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power, power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness." Nietzsche: "Active, successful natures shun the dictum 'know thyself' and follow the commandment: 'Will thyself.'" Nietzsche: "Not all men ought to be free. There are many who threw off their final worth when they threw off their bondage." Fischer: "Most people are sheep, and they need the support of others." Nash: "Don't ... depend on current fashion or ... popular opinion." Nash: "[One] could think of Zarathustra as simply a madman. ... But without his 'madness' [he would] have been only another of the ... billions of human individuals who have lived and then been forgotten." Asimov: "Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." Asimov: "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." Heraclitus: "One man is worth ten thousand if he is extraordinary." Heraclitus: "Most men have sated themselves like cattle. ... Greater men are allotted greater destinies." With a less abrasive tone: Hegel: "[I] want to restore the human race to its full totality." Paracelsus: "If you have been given a talent, exercise it freely and happily like the sun: give everyone from your splendour." Power: "Cold-blooded reason is a tool that you can employ on behalf of what you believe in." The INTJs have a tendency to believe that some people are indeed superior to others, but exhort everyone to be the best they can be. A life of mediocrity is not a worthwhile one. Find yourself, realize yourself, lift yourself to greatness to set a path for others to follow. Now, contrast with the INFPs who repress the hierarchical, optimizing, ordering conqueror/bulldozer out of the conscious mind and are left with the idealistic, individualistic, romantic Fi ruling their psyche: Kierkegaard: "To pace about, looking to obtain status, looking to attain 'importance' - I can think of nothing more ridiculous." Camus: "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." Camus: "To be happy, we must not be too concerned with others." Orwell: "What I have most wanted to do ... is to make political writing into an art. My starting point is always a feeling of partisanship, a sense of injustice." Tolkien: "I [am] a mere individual ... with intense feelings more than ideas." Tolkien: "The most improper job of any man ... is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity." C. S. Lewis: "[There is] in me ... a distaste for all that is public, all that belongs to the collective." Lewis: "Friendship arises ... when two [people] discover that they have in common some ... interest or taste ...which, till that moment, each believed to be his own unique treasure." George R. R. Martin: "My own heroes are the dreamers, those ... who tried to make the world a better place. ... Some failed ... but it is the effort that's heroic, as I see it." Saint-Exupery: "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." Kafka: "[People are] quite different. What grips me need hardly touch you at all. ... What is innocence in you may be guilt in me. ... What has no consequences for you may be the last nail in my coffin." Augustine: "The good man, though a slave, is free; the wicked, though he reigns, is a slave, and not the slave of a single man, but - what is worse - the slave of as many masters as he has vices." Wright: "'Natural' is the last thing [people] would let you be if they could prevent it. ... That's why they ... make all these senseless rules [and] foolish regulations." Hans Fritzsche (Head of radio propaganda in Nazi Germany): Fritzsche: "Because my nature was completely strange to feelings of power, I always considered it a burden to decide on the fate of people - even such little things as whether they should be hired or discharged in my office." You can see how the weak or denied Te affects the expression of the Te/Fi axis, and results in INFPs expressing the individualism and romanticism, but having Te's hard edge mostly cut off. INTPs and Fe is much the same.
Thanks for this video. Explained clearly and with such art, the very best. It's funny how I am myself an INTP, and my own desire to seek for the underlying structure of things has driven me to discover this, weirdly explaining itself.
I am an intj, however, my ti and ne are so heavily used that typing is blurry to many. So I relate with many characteristics of intps as I share them directly via function strength.
Holy shit! I actually did that card game example in like 9th grade. I made a way to play yugioh with playing cards. Also, I tested INTP on the MBTI test.
Im an INTP. I lived all this life only to find out that knowledge is the ultimate power. Although we never chase power , once an INTP figured out who you are, what you do and what triggers you, he will wipe you out in no time.
I am an INTP and I don't really believe in a universal morality. I associate claims of having found one with authoritarian regimes and organized religion, both of which I oppose. People who seek power always claim their might makes right and justify their immoral actions after the fact, after they've jailed or slaughtered anyone who might disagree. The only universal values I embrace are libertarianism and a commitment to democratic governance. But when it comes to morality on a small scale, like what to do with one's sexuality or whether certain drugs or foods are morally ok, that is up to individual choice. Universal principles are more better suited to the large collective actions of people, not individual small-scale choices that don't effect anyone else in a significant way.
I don't think we understood Universal Values the same way. It's not to limit, it's to protect & grant. If it's limiting, then it's not (shouldn't be) universal.
Morality is not subjective. It’s that sort of ‘tolerance’ that has created the absolutely rampant, mind boggling levels of degeneracy we see today. Also, modern democracy is shite. Leaving the fate of civilization to the whims of the mob is suicidal.
Caleb Grasse if you know a bit about topology: there exist a proof, that for every manifold up to the third dimension has a triangulation. it nails it...
I am an intp and don't conceive of my morality as applying universally. I do have a strong affinity for finding systems, but I don't believe those systems are necessarily absolute. I acknowledge that morality is relative to the observer, and that is an absolute observation, but my own personal morality is what I live by, and that only applies to me. My moral system is from my own personal reference point, so it is not universally true. Acknowledging that other people have their own reference points does not invalidate my own as long as I don't claim it is absolute (which you claim I do).
the struggle is real when people try to make intense eye contact. i can feel their disgust when i cant reciprocate. lots of people i have been meeting recently seem to need affirmation from the people around them. i cant bear it, its like they feel as though they do not exist without someone else's acknowledgement. i reserve this intimacy for the people closest to me and even then, engage in it sparingly.
He said at the beginning that he would not be stereotypical, and then says every stereotypical thing about INTP's possible. NO I am not a genius or amazing at math, and NO I am not disgusted by feelings, thats just rediculous. INTP's can be very warm and accepting of feelings because we can see the underlying reason behind why someone is feeling a particular way. Even if we ourselves don't really care one way or another we can see point a and so we can help make someone feel better because we can see point b threw our intuition, point b being something to make them feel better, usually a piece of logic overlooked.
INTP when I was 19 met my wife to be (ESTJ 11 years older than I) shown her my coin collection, she wasn't impressed. Hmm.... 12 years on ask her to read INTP profile, not interested. Thinks psychology is heebee jebees. Haha. But doesn't get me she's a stubborn realist. I like the challenge and her motivation and loyalty but I do get frustrated from time to time, she's not one to debate but shout her belief as facts. It makes me think more about how to talk to people, where I have to use applications or examples of my ideas and then prompt her to make the connection. But sometimes pure bloody mindedness prevails. I guess the fact that we bounce many ideas about true or false to gauge the structure and thoughts of another or our selves would seem like we have bad logic to an estj. And this overshadows the times when do have moments of excellence to which we may decide to contradict in a really strong way for the sake of testing rigidity or just because of a variable moving which might require a whole new perspective. Damn social conditioning and rules. Also those figures people publish that are odds based on averages that are taken out of context and used for a multitude of things this frustrates me. The youtube list: 10 most unluckiest people: One is a park ranger that spends the most part on mountain tops, and he's been struck by lightening 7 times and they just use the odds of the average person being struck by lightning to the power of 7. Really? That's the odds of the average person getting struck not him me or any individual. He had already been struck 6 times the probability of it happening again is quite high I'd say. Not unlucky just stupid that he does nothing to prevent it. This is just one case of figures that frustrates me as my government collects these types of stats for many departments and fails to see why everything's so dysfunctional. Give me strength. My children INTP's go to a school where they are taught that free thinking is incorrect and there's only one way to do something correctly. They're gonna have the motivation kicked out of them. They have a thirst for knowledge but all the school wants to do is use them as a hard drive to pass an exam not showing them the wonder in anything. Schools are scared to confront an individuals personality and needs, and careers advice omg 5mins of someone asking what your parents do and that you should go to 6thform for some more thoughtless memorizing. I'll definitely be filling the gap state education misses. Sorry but education failed me. I later went to Uni to do electrical engineering but the time I spent in school and 6thform wasted. I've learnt more since I left. I got into music I had no concept of pitch and then thought how could they of failed to teach me this in school. I remember writing quavers reading about Mozart, hitting a triangle and making an anti drugs rap. And I remember reading my music report A for effort B for attainment, yet I would leave understanding nothing about music. I could go on, other subjects taught keywords to pass exams based on example exam questions. You have to know these keywords understanding the subject is irrelevant. Maths I can do it in my head and divide showing more decimals than a calculator in my head but you have to forget that skill to be able to work things out and instead show these workings, it doesn't matter if you get it wrong as long as you use this method and show these workings. I used to love maths untill I went to comprehensive school. Omg some lessons just sat there waiting for anyone of 30 pupils to catch up with the already underwhelming and dictator style subjects. I wanted to learn but 30 min later still on the thing that clicked in my head in the first few seconds. Now I'm looking outside and when a teacher pulls me up on this puts me on the spot and asks me a question I either give them an answer and they don't like me or I say something stupid because I'm past caring.
Toller Brown INTP as well. I echo you on a lot of your frustrations especially those relating to school. Had the same issue with math. Sometimes I'd develop quicker formulas I could do in my head, and when I turned the assignment in, the teacher punished me for it instead of praising me. I became a less-than-stellar performer when it came to grades and some teachers told my parent I was mentally handicapped and belonged in a special school. No one thinks these things of me as an adult after high school, however.
That's terrible., my daughter from a different partner was tested for Asperger, I forwarded a report on misdiagnosis of INTP at a young age and nothing else has been followed up. We can tick most of the same boxes. And I was questioned for being lazy for having high SAT scores. I started doing alot of math and pattern recognition in my head lately, I find it very therapeutic. Takes me back to my school days before I was taught to put a load of step by step operations in the way of simple logic. I'm trying to teach my son to understand the schools requirements but its not easy. I found that when they say show workings, I would feel compelled to think what is that longwinded method they were implying rather than deconstructing what just happened in my head which upsets the flow and left me in a bodged reasoning
Wow! After reading through the comments it strikes me as ironic that an INTP would point out that MeyersBriggs is a working model that is still disputed by some. It’s also amusing how “INTPs” here are bordering on referring to it as an ideological given. At any rate, attempting to find the logic and algorithms imbedded in this matrix is both amusing and frustrating. I simply found it a fairly good shorthand in figuring out how in the hell other people’s minds work! Rather crude, like using a compass to orient yourself in the universe...your construction of reliable objective “reality” is based on the quality of your instruments and methodology. That’s why an INTP is as likely to say, meh, as eureka...it’s always a hypothesis 🤷♀️🖖
Omg, this. It's hilarious how some people here take being an INTP so seriously. I'm an INTP according to MBTI and that's fascinating because yes, according to its description, i fit the category so much it's creepy. But to actually comment on someone that "if you are real INTP, your response should have been blah blah" is hilarious. Anyway, the comment section here is so entertaining at least.
was anyone else bugged by that reoccurring slide that said "jung rocks" and what it meant then sent on an episode where you pace around your room trying to figure out why the fuck he did that half way through this video while you're still trying to understand that basis on how you work? anybody or am i truly alone in this universe?
+John Forge Um...well, "Jung rocks" refers to Carl Jung...I'm just saying "Carl Jung is awesome!" to be funny, just as a placeholder, because for various reasons I couldn't do a slide.
I have a disagreement with the idea of INTPs being focused on universal morality. I believe strongly in moral relativism, and I'm sure this isn't exclusive to myself. Isn't someone's particular beliefs of morality too far abstracted from basic personality types to make any real arguments?
+Orgoth Mcgee They probably mean moral relativism is the governing universal principle rather than there is a set of rules for every person/time/place.
Not entirely, morality rises from Human evolution and people being social animals. To me peoples subjective moral schemes don't encroach beyond the boarders of evolutionary constraints. You being a human being limits what you can consider moral or immoral. People differ certainly, but the general patterns are all the same, because being an evolved thing has real implications that I don't believe many take into account during analysis.
great points about morality. i identify with them very much although i haven't really come up with any definitive expectation nor the conclusion that there shouldn't be one.
Some of this didn't describe me, but I know that you weren't trying to explain things from a behaviorist standpoint, nor were you trying to describe all INTPs. Good video, nonetheless.
As an INFP, out of all the types I find the INTP preferences and main functions to be the most amazing. Seems like the *for lack of a better word* 'the strong older brother' to the INFP (I don't mean we INFPs can't stand up for ourselves. But typically we WON'T. UNLESS we see someone else would be hurt if we didn't).. This type of thought process along with just as much respect towards being authentic and having you're own personal individuality backed by Ti is awesome in my opinion. I have mad respect for these preference functions, even though I know I couldn't use them as well nor really want to. It's the most admirable to me personally. I do however even as an INFP have a huge need to get down to the core basic principle of things but I love building up the aesthetics and hold just as much value in it, unlike the INTP. Which I imagine they could view as distracting, depending on the task at hand.
@@Ortorin im an intp- 145 iq - not genious by any means- but no- not retarded- all i said was keep looking- nothing about giving up logic- if you're an intp i know you will always be looking anyway- just give it a few more years and you'll be tired of nihl
@yoy nono thanks for the videos suggestion ill give it a look- i believe you are right and nihilism is a form of courage but for me i considered it when I was ready to stop searching for god because of just being frustrated and tired and worn out from lack of answers and"proof"- and for me it was actually the opposite of courage- and ultimately it couldn't rein in my mind and provide a finality- so for me the search continues
ian buenaventura Well, what is a strength or a weakness in typology depends on the situation, so I don't know if I could tell you specific strengths or weaknessess. Ti is analytical, piercing, and wants to build a logical system that's consistent in the mind. That can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on what you want to do. Which doesn't really answer your question... But whatever weaknesses might come up, I myself believe the best therapy is simply knowing about your own psychology so you know why you have trouble in certain areas. I could also recommend finding productive ways to express the inferior function so it doesn't creep up on you later. I don't know if that helps?
As an INTP. No INTP can ever be a nihilist. At best you can admit not enough data for full understanding. But when you know you KNOW. And moralistic ideas are self evident. At least for me. I understand the aversion to such ideas because feeling types cling so strongly one way or the other without understanding the reason why. Those INTP who claim nihilism. Think about it a little more:)
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by nihilism? Epistemological nihilism denies the possibility of knowledge so it sort of sounds like what you're saying. As for existential nihilism(which you probably meant), I think it's the most reasonable conclusion if you accept the possibility of knowledge (beyond reasonable doubt). Sure you can say that no one knows for sure but analogically you can be a agnostic atheist when it comes to God. You don't KNOW but it's not reasonable to assume that God exists given all the empiric facts. I'd say I'm agnostic when it comes to meaning in the universe but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that there is any inherent meaning. I also deny existentialism (as in making your own meaning). I'd call myself either a nihilist or an Absurdist if someone insisted on an answer. I'd like you to elaborate why INTPs can't be nihilists though.
LiSwD1 There are alot of empiric facts that reasonably hints of an intelligent designer aka God, but you're in denial and turning your head away from them.
LiSwD1 Off the top of my head, intelligent coding inside our DNA, and fine-tuning of the universe which single handedly caused scientists to have to resort to fringe science like multiverses to explain. The question of which Gods are the real one is irrelevant. there can only be ONE ultimate intelligent designer.
The INTP thinks of knowledge not as a bargaining chip, but rather, a means of self-improvement.
Well, not only self-improvement, but improvement for when and wherever needed.
Yes this is why I like school. I believe it is a method to so much more
Which is why we love learning and studying a multitude of various unrelated things that have no "useful" purpose other than the pure enjoyment of knowledge itself. Few things are more enjoyable to me that going down the rabbit hole and getting up to speed on some new random interest. Case in point, MBTI cognition classification as of late.
One day I told my friends that I watch math related videos for fun. Hey gived me one of those looks.
I'm an INTP and i do get pretty damn lazy
+WeKnowTheTruth2012 It's not being lazy, it just means that you don't get things done, because instead of staying with one task, you start going off on other tangents?
+good bye Well, I'm not going to try to write a similar dissertation by way of a response! However, I have noted that I expend way too much effort on things that I'm interested in, vs not. Were it laziness, I wouldn't bother at all. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, but I see what you have written as only that.
+good bye the snowflake train baaahahahahaha 😂😂😂
@@apexmike849 exactly!! That sentence hits the bullseye. I am an INTP and I can confirm that.
Me either. I tend to overthink and it drives me to put things off. I don't like to do something until I feel like I have enough information (which is never).
I can summarize the INTP is that kid in school who are lazy,withdrawn and absent minded person who aces exam with little effort.
Sums up my life
Ayy add socially awkward and that was me
I didn't ace anything, more like struggled.
@@Lea-ov8vq I wouldn’t say socially-awkward, just misunderstood and a little unpracticed in the concrete social sphere. That’s all.
@@Anonymous_Anon882 Right lol
I'm INTP and I feel so lost in life.
Welcome to the club, I just leave it up to God.
colloredbrothers It's what I've been doing. Some says are off some days are great. I need God to show me what it's like to be alive again.
+colloredbrothers so your giving up on life?
Zecryx Plays 2 Did I say that? or are you trying to infer meaning which you yourself projected onto my very short sentence?
same
My boyfriend is an INTP, and I am an INTJ, and you are absolutely right about knowledge. INTJs use knowledge as a tool to find a means to an end. For INTPs, knowledge is the means to an end.
As an INTP, I would go further as to say that the knowledge is actually the end.
Brayen Summogum Very true. My boyfriend likes to acquire all this knowledge just to have knowledge. It confused me when we first started dating, but after being together for almost three years now, I wouldn't want it any other way. Meanwhile, I try to obtain knowledge in order to help me accomplish something.
***** You're welcome ^_^
at every fucking test i scored INTP 2 or 3 times in the last year.
But most of the time i seek knowledge as a tool to find a means to an end.
lol i dont know, maybe it is my reasoning that i seek knowledge to develop myself instead if just wanting more knowlegde. Got a slightly different motivation for knowledge than most INTPs
Personally, as an INTP, it's not like don't use the knowledge I learn as a tool in certain situations. I find the differentiation between the INTP and INTJ is their attitude while in the middle of learning. Or their _motivation_ for learning. I feel like INTJs (I'm not one so I'm not sure) pursue a vein of learning with it's use as a tool in mind. An INTP (me) will simply pursue learning and knowledge, they just want to learn, think, and gather knowledge that interests them. But when the opportunity reveals itself, of course the INTP will utulize the knowledge he/she has as a tool to facilitate a process, give information to make something easier for someone else, or complete a task. I think both types contain both motivations for learning, it's just that INTJs motivation is dominated by it's potental as a real-world use, while INTPs motivation is dominated by simply the urge to learn. Maybe your balance is less heavy on the "simply want to learn" side of the scale.
Just as an example, an INTP may research the properties of light, how it refracts, how colours are created by light and how it refracts. And they will learn that simply because they are interested. But if that INTP is also a photographer, then if that knowledge of light can be used as a tool in their photography then voila. Whereas an INTJ wil research the properties of light with the intent to use it in his photography from the very beginning. I think that's a decent summary
Before I found out that I am an INTP I realized that I have trouble explaining my thoughts and many times ill give up with a |"never mind" that people perceive as being rude. Also my mouth is kind of small for my tongue because of evolution so im not the greatest at talking.
your mouth gets bigger as you talk more. its an evolutionary adaptive trait
Mmm, she often did that "never mind" & it was so annoying.. 😔
Same! I have a small mouth too. I like talking fast so I don't sound articulate most of the times.
Omg same!! People get so frustrated with me sometimes which just makes me feel worse lol
The sad bit is when you learn this as a kid cause your parents actually tell you to shut up, they can’t be dealing with your non-stop chatter about all your observations/ideas so you do just shut up and never talk to them about anything ever again and get weirdly depressed for the next 10 years, quietly thinking about the world and how people get the weird ways they do
I’m an INTP and I’m a chemist. On the first day of college, when my General Chemistry professor asked us why we chose that program, I answered “because I want to understand how the world works”
I always found chemistry hard because it felt like a lot of rote learning few concrete "systems". It felt hard to intuitively understand a lot of it. Not sure if that was me misunderstanding it or not.
Professor Rubick, Magus Grandi Chemistry is a very wide and diverse field. I hope you see it in a new light.
I did the same when they asked me why I choose Physics
@@professorrubickmagusgrandi7909 same I wish I could find a more seamless way to learn it or any other science rly
I do agree with most of your points though. Especially the part about seeking knowledge for its own sake rather than its practical value. And, dislike of bureaucracy and society's focus on appearances over substance and quality. I'd rather wander the woods thinking about stuff the rest of my life than ever have to have a corporate job, but alas.
Same.
Oh i see you in other videos too
Want to wander some woods with me?
Sameee
Agreed
"Who spends all day pontificating on the implications of an intriguing principle." Nicely phrased.
this is my problem since birth.
"how to clean my room ?"
Even tougher when you evolve to a whole household. I'd so love to be able to afford a maid but how would I deal with someone getting in and disrupting my organized clutter? What is an INTP to do?
Ah, the easiest of the hard INTP problems to solve. The answer is to not have anything in your room in the first place 😂
@457 0X this is very smart idea, thanks😳
I love being INTP, but I wish I could express my emotions better.
+Sanfrandisco Sanfran Try some shrooms.
you can and you will you just have to trust -the person you want to express those emotions to- enough and you have to care enough.
TheDreadLord
you will, at some point.
Not literally trust but something like it, maybe give the person the illusion that you trust him.
I too can't trust anyone.
TheDreadLord you knew i'd get to the very bottom didn't ya!
mdma helps
INTPs likely find astrology fascinating but, don't actually believe in it right?
+Jakob Michaels Couldn't say. Stereotypically they wouldn't, but it honestly depends on the INTP.
+Jakob Michaels As an INTP myself, I don't believe in astrology, but can find the concept of it entertaining. I find the archetypes and symbolism fascinating, especially when applied to larger cultural trends past and present. Moreover, it is a flippant observation to keep an eye on just in case it coincides with anything else in the future. Just like all the woo around mind/body connections versus the placebo effect and the actual neurological/physiological phenomenon that can go on when one is in a more calm state of mind (within reason - one cannot think themselves into modulating their insulin resistance, for example). It's a fun, giant puzzle of observation, speculation and extrapolation. : D Heck, I don't even fully apply myself to the Myers-Briggs type system, but it's damned fun once in a while to buff your ego when it coincides with the description so well.
Yes! For the Ne thirst of new concepts, they'll take on astrology, maybe remember several core facts about it. Do they believe it? No. Just for fun. For me i use it so i could have interesting convo with people, cause a lot of people find astrology amusing.
+Jakob Michaels astrology and this myers briggs thing circles around the same archetypes and those archetypes exists.
myers briggs ask you: do you like chocolate? then gives you the result: "chocolate lover".. duhh... alrighty then. but astrology gives you tons of space.
if you are %49 extraverted and %49 feeling are you still an intp? N and P is pretty strong with me but very turbulent with the others. in fact, i hate the fact that intps associated with robots. i love poetry, i love love, i am such a cool robot, i can let myself feel and i can switch to "lets parteeey" mode as well.
you look at astrology, you see one inconsistency (did you check all the aspects? all the other planetary placements in your natal chart? in what house, what element, stuff are, if stuff is more fixed heavy or cardinal oriented? if those planets exalted or in fall? so many more things to consider but hey, it's cool.) and you call astrology bullshit. well, i see more inconsistencies.. or rather crudeness and stiffness in myers briggs.
so yeah. astrology is much more fun. astrology is made of many more pieces. much better for brain gymnastics. astrology is a like ouija board, you call your own soul (while interpreting your own natal chart) and then you talk with your soul via astrological symbols. rising is aries... is this why i do like this and like that? see, that just gave you a new perspective. kinda thing.
+Jakob Michaels +Three-Tail Art wow i thought i was only me, i do fine astrology interesting but yeah don't believe in it
I am INTP and female we are rare ones .
Cıngiz İskändär same here
High five
Right here
Never met one in person. It's good to know they exist... Somewhere.
We all gather in these videos xD
to my fellow intp's, don't you HATE it when people try to make an argument by saying "how would you feel if
+dudabar2 (ENTP)
Yeah, I know what you mean, it gets on my nerves.
+dudabar2 you hate it because you can't put yourself in their shoes but that 10 years old kid can .... and .... that makes you better?
or you can see that they are in a bad position, you just don't care? you don't need someone to make the point?
- mom, today someone was bleeding to death and i just walk over him cause in my mind i was thinking important stuff.
intp achievement unlocked: 11 years old and no empathy already!
stop this stupid embrace the inner shitty robot movement under intp videos, it's nothing to be proud of.
+altarf asellus australis Talk about missing the point. It's insulting, because it either ASSUMES that you've overlooked something as obvious as putting yourself in someone elses shoes, and that you have to be reminded of it. (Meanwhile in reality, you have evaluated the situation from all angles in great detail). Or it's simply a cheap attempt at invoking an emotional response from you,because making a logical argument is proving to be difficult. which brings up...don't you HATE it when others just go ahead and assume they know what you're thinking but get it completely wrong? eg as above.."that makes you better?" the baseless assumption here being that i think i'm better. let me assure you, you are not a psychic and you have no idea what i'm thinking. (i don't think in terms of better/worse as it's subjective and meaningless to me)
dudabar2 it is freaking simple, if someone is poking you and go "how would you feel" that's because you are being insensitive, you are not being emotionally expressive, you are not giving any proper reaction considering the gravity of the situation.
if they do it for no reason, then sure it would be annoying but i will go and assume there's a reason for that person to poke you.
nobody knows what you feel inside. i am no psychic, you are not either. we can't read minds. evolution gave us these extremely emotive faces for a reason. use it.
it's a tradegy, it's a very sad accident and you are like, still being a robot and not affected by that one bit, you are still being ice cold pure logic so that's why they ask you.
also i didn't assumed anything i only explored two options. 1. you lack empathy, you don't care. 2. you know it's bad, you are not expressing how bad do you think that is and when someone point that out you hate it. what were you expecting though?
+altarf asellus australis But intps are known for being insensitive
Being INTP isn't funny.
i'm happy and scared that i found ppl 100% like me
Have you ever seen F dominants try to debate an INTP? It's quite disastrously hilarious :p
Hehe. I'm not an INTP (though many think I am) but I have been burned by INTPs in the past. Fact check, fact check, fact check
Paolo Joventino Go What type are you?
ENFP
Paolo Joventino Go Theoretically, yes. But, being an INTP and knowing this scenario only too well, I got burned out doing it. It's ridiculously annoying when someone tries to state something as if it's truth when it can easily be picked apart within seconds and when that said person won't accept logic to enter their mind. It'll end up making the F person pissed, which is just plainly irrational, leaving *me* pissed, and there's nothing learned, nothing gained anywhere. And to begin with, I was just like trying to help. Going in the wrong direction gets you nowhere. Fact checks was so much more draining than it should've been, so I grew tired of it. Like the guy in this video talking about individual moral responsibilities, I'm like "let the fools stay fools if that's what they want"
+1
this is ti vs fi dom. ixfps attach their beliefs to themselves (their beliefs make them who they are) with fi so if you try to correct them they think you are attacking them personally.
One of the great blessings of my life is the fact that Michael Pierce, a true philosopher, took an interest in Jungian typology.
I have read at last Motes and Beams few months ago, which I now consider to be one of the greatest books I have ever read. For me it is the final part of the trilogy that contains Jung's Psychological Types and Gifts Differing. It is absolutely indispensable for a complete understanding of types.
I would just like to say that you are, in my opinion, the best narrator in terms of organization and vocalization, when it comes to informative videos, that I have found on UA-cam thus far. Thank you for these MBTI videos. I will be sure to check out your other material. Keep up the good work.
Am an INTP and my friends used to tell me I like arguing in things I already know the answer of in my mind...my answer to them was “ Yeah but am trying to see if you would agree or give me another prospective...if it will be again in agreement with my own conclusion” our minds is just a logical loop till we find something new and more fascinating.
I’m an ESFP and I’m like 🤯🤯🤯 whenever I learn about INTPs. You are incredible people, INTPs. 💪
It’s a thankless job, really. So thanks.
as an INTP , a monotonous mattered little as long as it had substance.
I agree that it was very interesting, but I have ADD so I had trouble focusing. I’m an INTP, so I love learning and thinking, but I can’t pay attention to certain things.
@@twentyoneeilishes5313 same ;-;
As an INTP I think you just described why I am watching these videos about personalty types. In your words, abstracting and trying to understand the underlying mechanism of personality. It's like a map to the human, and indeed that is of interest to me as a rather stereotypical INTP. Thanks for the video. I will now continue procrastinating by watching more of these.
At the risk of nitpicking, at 4:03 when you have 3 sets of Maxwell's equations, the set on the left is the integral form, the set in the middle is the differential form, and the set on the right is actually exactly the same as the middle except for the font.
(Although all of my comments on your work so far have been criticism, I do think your videos are fantastically good!!)
I noticed that too. I think the difference is that they use slightly different notation to denote vectors and vector fields.
INTP and proud.
+olli tuovinen why be proud according to the theory you do not chose your personality type at birth so I do not see what their is to be proud about.
I do not choose my nationality either but I can be proud about that too.
olli tuovinen you can be equally as foolish for the same reason.
Darian Bogard
aside from the test itself being Bullshit and been proven as far to over simplistic by modern physiologists and thus a poor premise to try and play into identity politics there also is no choice or achievement inherent in defining traits if so being proud of it is foolish .
+Howard Ackerman The test isn't bullshit, because, for a start, it isn't physical, which shit from a bull is. Also, I think that when they said they were 'proud' that might be a misnomer and what they meant might have been 'happy with that interpretation', or some cousin of that. Happy trolling!
when i was a kid i was an expert on the bubonic plague, even understanding the scientific makeup of it at 6 and memorizing every infamous pirate at 7 only to later become an expert on ww2 at 9... my intp level is maxed out
there was picture of the Tina Fay in the beginning and I thought it was Sarah Palin, Gosh it almost gave a mental heart attack ;)
Hey that was awesome! Thanks for the time and effort and mental gymnastics to present it.
I have been studying Jungian typology for about 15 years now. I got to the point where I was able to hold Keirsey's ideas, the MBTI, and socionics as just different perspectives on the same thing. I finally started developing some of my own theories. I boiled down F T N S into four verbs to easily get a sense of each function. To value, to know, to be, to do respectively. Maybe because I'm a logic teacher I immediately see this template of four everywhere including typology. It seems like so many things can be grouped similarly to the four main branches of philosophy; ethics, epistemology, metaphysics, and aesthetics. The irony here is that I have vacillated between calling myself an ENTP and an INTP. When I was younger I thought I was an ENFJ but later realized that the evangelical subculture I was apart of held the characteristics of that type as a goal to be achieved. You have to be willing to proselytize. You have to believe abstract "truths" deeply. You must be people focused. You must show faithfulness and consistency in matters that others can observe. All these implied, and sometimes outright, directives made me feel as if that was what I was supposed to be. As I grew to dislike those shackles, I realized I was indeed an ENTP... or maybe INTP... :) So, I have said all of that to say this: These are the best videos of their kind that I have ever seen. You truly have a gift, from the visuals, to the structure, this is all exceptional. Thank you so very much. I finally feel comfortable claiming INTP. My outgoing nature and love of studying people, which led me to both a degree in Economics and a position as a teacher of middle school and high school aged students, has kept me from accepting the INTP label even when ENTP didn't fit in all the places it should have. But, your video was a revelation. I look forward to more. I hope you don't stop before you are through with all sixteen types. Again, thank you.
p.s. Do you ever see yourself commenting on the interaction among the types? Say for instance INTP with ENFP ;)
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoyed them and found them useful!
I will dutifully create all sixteen type videos, no worries about that.
And I have been thinking about doing type interaction videos, can't say which one I would start with, but I would probably intersperse them in between my regular sixteen types videos. :)
" What if 1+1=3" is sooo me!!!! Nailed it. been thinking about since I was a kid.
I mean, math is a language - an interpretation of reality. 1 + 1 is 2 because the system is designed in this way... 2 is just a symbol. If 1 + 1 were 3, 3 would mean the same thing as 2, in my thoughts at least....
But if you have an apple+apple, you will always end up with apple+apple and not apple+apple+apple, regardless of whether or not we call the amount 2 or 3.
@@aniokay yes
I remember when I was 5 and our soccer team scored and everyone jumped into a big heap and I was the only kid on the field wondering why they did that. I remember it because I felt I was too old for that, I was happy sure, but it just wasn't for me. I was thinking more like, "why?"
Phunny Yo also at school pep rallies I would be the one guy sitting down reading a book while near 2000 people were yelling and stomping on the bleachers.
4:40 Lemme guess.. The raindrops bend light.. bluring city lights give the same apperance because it technically bends the light like the drops did?
Kennie Diamond Pretty much.
IM NOT INTP BUT THIS IS SO BEAUTIFULLY LAID OUT AND THE MUSIC AT THE BEGINNING AND EVERYTHING I love it
I think that the music is like that for all of his videos, so you can go see what montage you have for your type :)
mood
INTP here. Just realized this. And...
I'm fucked.
Yeah
Do INTPS have so many interests and hobbies they they often get so distracted and scattered to just focus on a few? and end up not completing many things?
Yeah. They can be just like typical ENFPs in that sense. I’d say a certain proportion of ADD but genuine attention-deficit disorder is rare in strongly-introverted types by their very staid, reserved-thinking nature.
"Another example is in 'The Hero With A Thousand Faces'" he says as I blurt out "what the fuck" because the book is sitting right behind me on my desk... INTP
+Seren Yes! Creepy psychic moment achieved!
+Seren yeah I have it also haha..
+Seren Huh never heard of the book. Did a quick wiki check, and it seems to be a mythological book. Sounds interesting, will have to check it out.
As a Intp I think your presentation was spot on and one of the best I have seen. As someone who has the gift ( curse ) of extreme empathy that aspect can't be ignored. Now I have to re watch the video for the forth time to see if it was there or not for the mind tends to wander don't you know.
I like how your dull tone but vivid articulation appeal to the thinking types perfectly because I can't see many "feelers" being entertained enough to watch the entire video, although I quite enjoyed your explanations.
INFP here and Michael is by far my favorite person to listen to on MBTI typology because of his accurate in depth insights and beautiful eloquency, which I never find boring. INFPs dominant function is introverted feeling, btw 😉
F13RY0N5L4UGHT as an INTP though I can’t get through this whole video because my mind is wandering somewhere else
INFP I personally love his tone of voice it allows things to be easily understood and it's very calming I also really love his choice of words it made it very easy to understand
ENFP here almost at the end of the video..
This video and creator is absolutely genius, thank you 🙏
4:47 When I was a teen, I used to blur my vision to see a fuzzy view to recognize other elements. I did that by looking at my finger (6" / 15 cm) apart and then move away my finger and keep my focal point unchanged. I can do that now by only taking off my glasses. LOL.
Lol same
I've done that from my earliest memories and still do. Now I thank God that I understand why.
Great assessment. I'm amazed with the depth you define all the personality types.
Michael, your work is absolutely beautiful. I love these archetypal portraits of the types, every single video was a joy, including your philosophy ones. I personally think of God, if there is one, as not merely a moral force, but also an amorally (not immorally) aesthetic one. After all, all nature is mathematical so God is kind of a nerd. When I watch these videos, I imagine the higher power with its canvas, painting the mathematical structure of the types. I thought the ISTJ video as redeeming, and believe that the general type community should generally go the direction you are on, with the clarifications you made and unbiased, but tasteful views. You found yourself a loyal subscriber.
Mathematics just describe nature. It's only natural for universe to work in most efficient way that we can view as observers.
This is one of the best video's I've seen on INTPs
I like how he simply addressed the Universal Morality by going meta, in a way showing he has a larger perspective in the situation and is looking at a more fundamental part of that statement.
Definitely one of the better videos I have seen attempting to explain an accurate description of what we call the INTP personality type.
Going through these videos - it just shows how much our world sucks, that people are forced to bow down to so many systems (schools, jobs, etc...) that are really private dictatorships, instead of being free to develop themselves. Perhaps if these social structures where necessary, but they are not (an argument beyond scope of this post) due to technology, but "we" (society) doesn't use technology to free people from the drudgery or work. Is there a type that is more likely to be content going into some stupid, pointless job everyday and putting in hours, than another?
No, not from what I understand. Most people accuse the SJ types of this, but that's mostly because of David Keirsey's characterization of them as the "worker bees", because, as a lot of people seem to think, , but I've never met a true cattle person and neither did Jung propose one, which only goes to solidify your point.
yes, i wonder the same thing alll the time. and coming from an enfp, believe me; i hate the way society is structured. and yes, there is; for an instance, an esfj and estj will much much more quickly conform to society than an infp and enfp. that being because esfjs and estjs are sensing judging types; meaning the see the facts, see society in a practical and sensible way (sensing) and their judging quality causes them to base thier life off the system they live in, judging it and conforming to it; using it to better thier lives. but infps and enfps have primary and secondary introverted feeling; and extraverted intuition; meaning that we prize individuality and authenticity, follow what we believe inside regardless of outer influence even if it isnt very profitable or practical (Fi) and we see posibilities in things, we love the new, change (Ne) so we specifically dislike conforming to the defaults, we like change and unconventionality; which makes us blatantly less likely to try fit ourselves in.
(truly sorry if i sound a little biased, i am strngly and enfp, and i really, Really dont like this world we live in and its customs.)
and btw, dont think i dislike those 2 types; my mother is an estj (sometimes like an esfj) and she is incredibly reliable, and fun too, i have a lot of respect for them actually^^
yea, you're right on that, good point, and its that its always doing both, and in some way tricking people into think they have something that they don't. question is, which one is it doing more?
and as an enfp..? well...its terribly complicated, but i don't do society at all...i pretty much never get out, because i am never comfortable out there, so', i'm like an infp, but i Know am an extravert, so i'm not really an infp, i'm not sure whether i am more passionate and sentimental than creative and unconventional, i take it as i am recoiled into my auxiliary and inferior functions. nonetheless i Don't cope with society. just stay away from it as much as possible.
i still love people as individuals a lot of the time though. what is. ur type?
..*nods nods* yea..my friend; i have thought of a LOT of things..but like i said, its woefully complicated and to be honest..my Wants are the least of the priorities here. if i could make a decision like that, i probably could find a situation that suits me. but i cant.
i'll look up the book though, see if i can manage to get it
thanks, i will
This sends shivers up my spine. These INTP descriptions are 110% me.
Minimalism has helped me, having this personality type. FYI
How so?
@@YeOldeMachina exactly, yet another sleepless night by an irresponsible fellow INTP statement.
Absolutely. Did it accidentally and later became habit.
Ive been doing it 4 years. Possessions are meaningless, the less you have, the more you can concentrate on information.
Donkey what are the four noble truths? Sounds interesting
Wow you're just full of enthusiasm huh?
My heart bleeds black and blue.
Anthony Sacarello 😂😂😂😂
As long as he's providing me with knowledge and insight, I couldn't give one shit less what his voice sounds like...
I like his "too the point" attitude
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La Campanella. Frank Liszt. Opening piece. Fun fact: La Campanella was originally composed by Nicollo Paganini. Liszt adapted it to piano from the violin.
Liszt was a great appreciator of Paganini and he even adapted his caprices as well! Amazing transcriptions from Bach and Beethoven too.
I am a true INTP, but I ABSOLUTELY don't believe in universal morality. It's simply contrary to logic and reason. I rather agree with Spinoza's conception of universal logic over morality.
But great video indeed.
+Neschume Frazer Indeed.
+Robert Crawford III Wilson Absolutely
I'm INFP (probably), and I completely agree with universal morality.
the people who are the most moral are the ones who are not moral, they are conscious enough to not have a need to do things such as murder and rape, Spinoza is one of my favorite philosophers he actually 'GET'S' and understands life i respect that allot,
I will say consider universal morality in terms of evolutionary consequences, in that it is not to say there is a blanket one size fits all moral slate for all individuals, but that all moral frame works can be boiled down to universal general moral principles that emerge solely due to evolution and the fact of human existence in social context. With that morality may not seem so unreasonable, or rather contrary to reason.
This is amazingly accurate.
I find your voice gratifyingly monotonous. ;)
Great description by the way. I definitely had a desire for and weird conviction that I would find some sort of universal underlying knowledge as I was growing up. But I decided to study the 'softer' sciences and I think that has made me very skeptical of ever finding anything absolute in the world of human beings, including ethical principles. I presume that many INTPs resign themselves to taking a relativistic view of morality because they find it hard to find anything definitive on which to anchor their thoughts. I'm sure I'll change my mind as I age but it's quite hard not to have a nihilistic outlook on things and I don't think I'm quite ready to take the leap of faith/logic/whatever-it's-called to get out of this state. Anyway, I look forward to seeing more typology videos from you.
fileflies Yeah...I actually think that my way of wording some of things in this video were very misleading, especially how I talked about "an absolute, universal morality". What I should have said was maybe "personal, logical understanding", in the sense that while Te finds logic to be something merely practical, useful, but imperfect (like Nietzsche in many instances), Ti finds logic, if properly employed, to be by nature perfect and representing a perfect logical realm that can shed insight on our own, rather like Plato and Bertrand Russell. So an INTP can most certainly have a more nihilistic attitude, but it is grounded on what the INTP considers perfect, theoretical principles that hold true through the universe. Even if the principle is that "theoretical principles do NOT hold true through the whole universe", this is still treated as a logical principle underlying the whole universe. At least that's what I think for now.
In any case, my wording was especially misleading precisely because I think INTPs and ENTPs are very often, in fact, perhaps almost always nihilistic in the sense that you're talking about, or resign themselves to a certain skepticism or realist cynicism, or even just plain pessimism, for instance: Blaise Pascal (ENTP), Machiavelli (ENTP), Hannah Arendt (INTP), or Parmenides in the sense that he rejected the idea of change, progression, or movement (INTP).
An idea that a viewer of mine (called Heavy Mole) discussed was a new way to think about the "function axes categories" I talked about in the titular video. He described the category for NTPs and SFJs as considering the self as given and the outside world as given, meaning that the primary task of an individual is to understand these things properly so that they may have productive commerce with them (relating them to the traditional element of water, which by nature flows). This relates well to the idea of NTP skepticism and cynicism, because its an understanding of the universe that is set and given: morality is relative. That's a given statement. Now we just act accordingly. Thus, the idea of a "leap of faith" doesn't necessarily jive well with NTPs, at least not if presented that way. It would need to come as a change in one's own understanding of the universe and realization that he/she had been wrong about it. That's just what I think though.
I don't suppose that's useful to you?
his voice reminds me of my ISTJ friend's monotone voice. It makes me laugh XD
oo btw what type is the author of this channel?
I love your Magic: the Gathering references :)
Thanks Michael. Insightful, accurate and eloquent.
As an INTP and a potent nihilist, I can definitely get behind what you said in the footnote. I do find the contrast between our ability to accept outside opinions and our stubbornness to be amusing
+FuckYouGoogle
Indeed, I believe there is no universal morality. That is the point of nihilism, that morals are not of any importance and hold no authority. Not that they do not exist, but they ultimately do not make a /universal/ difference. As stated in the note in the description.
+Joshua Reuter 20th century Europe was fairly Nihilistic and as a result gave birth to WWII- nazism, communism, fascism, and ultimately totalitarianism. I understand that as an INTP morality doesn't seem necessary particularly in the face of rationality and logic. However, a majority of the world is not NF or NT, and in that large sphere morality is necessary, because mass suffering and death are not pleasant phenomena even for the most sentimentally callous of individuals.
Thank you for your input. Keep up the great work.
I have never found any evidence for a universal morality. I do think there is an innate goodness (subjective) in most humans, but not all. It was probably a plus as far as evolution goes. But a great video and clear speaking voice. INTP
tacoma200 That's more or less what it is about. Also remember that the axis descriptions are less about what is logically evident (most people, including high-Fe types, can see that people are separate entities for example) and about what seems viscerally true, like the difference between understanding that the river is cold and actually jumping into it yourself.
Finally, consider that INTPs repress Fe, which is more about the equalitis and universal kindness stuff. It's similar to how the Te/Fi axis both champions individuality as well as the superiority of some people over others.
To put this into display, here are some rather blunt quotes from INTJs (Ni Te Fi Se), who prefer Te over Fi, but consciously have both:
Nietzsche: "What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power, power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness."
Nietzsche: "Active, successful natures shun the dictum 'know thyself' and follow the commandment: 'Will thyself.'"
Nietzsche: "Not all men ought to be free. There are many who threw off their final worth when they threw off their bondage."
Fischer: "Most people are sheep, and they need the support of others."
Nash: "Don't ... depend on current fashion or ... popular opinion."
Nash: "[One] could think of Zarathustra as simply a madman. ... But without his 'madness' [he would] have been only another of the ... billions of human individuals who have lived and then been forgotten."
Asimov: "Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
Asimov: "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right."
Heraclitus: "One man is worth ten thousand if he is extraordinary."
Heraclitus: "Most men have sated themselves like cattle. ... Greater men are allotted greater destinies."
With a less abrasive tone:
Hegel: "[I] want to restore the human race to its full totality."
Paracelsus: "If you have been given a talent, exercise it freely and happily like the sun: give everyone from your splendour."
Power: "Cold-blooded reason is a tool that you can employ on behalf of what you believe in."
The INTJs have a tendency to believe that some people are indeed superior to others, but exhort everyone to be the best they can be. A life of mediocrity is not a worthwhile one. Find yourself, realize yourself, lift yourself to greatness to set a path for others to follow.
Now, contrast with the INFPs who repress the hierarchical, optimizing, ordering conqueror/bulldozer out of the conscious mind and are left with the idealistic, individualistic, romantic Fi ruling their psyche:
Kierkegaard: "To pace about, looking to obtain status, looking to attain 'importance' - I can think of nothing more ridiculous."
Camus: "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal."
Camus: "To be happy, we must not be too concerned with others."
Orwell: "What I have most wanted to do ... is to make political writing into an art. My starting point is always a feeling of partisanship, a sense of injustice."
Tolkien: "I [am] a mere individual ... with intense feelings more than ideas."
Tolkien: "The most improper job of any man ... is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity."
C. S. Lewis: "[There is] in me ... a distaste for all that is public, all that belongs to the collective."
Lewis: "Friendship arises ... when two [people] discover that they have in common some ... interest or taste ...which, till that moment, each believed to be his own unique treasure."
George R. R. Martin: "My own heroes are the dreamers, those ... who tried to make the world a better place. ... Some failed ... but it is the effort that's heroic, as I see it."
Saint-Exupery: "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea."
Kafka: "[People are] quite different. What grips me need hardly touch you at all. ... What is innocence in you may be guilt in me. ... What has no consequences for you may be the last nail in my coffin."
Augustine: "The good man, though a slave, is free; the wicked, though he reigns, is a slave, and not the slave of a single man, but - what is worse - the slave of as many masters as he has vices."
Wright: "'Natural' is the last thing [people] would let you be if they could prevent it. ... That's why they ... make all these senseless rules [and] foolish regulations."
Hans Fritzsche (Head of radio propaganda in Nazi Germany):
Fritzsche: "Because my nature was completely strange to feelings of power, I always considered it a burden to decide on the fate of people - even such little things as whether they should be hired or discharged in my office."
You can see how the weak or denied Te affects the expression of the Te/Fi axis, and results in INFPs expressing the individualism and romanticism, but having Te's hard edge mostly cut off. INTPs and Fe is much the same.
Thanks for this video. Explained clearly and with such art, the very best. It's funny how I am myself an INTP, and my own desire to seek for the underlying structure of things has driven me to discover this, weirdly explaining itself.
Is this why the truth is so important to me? This has always caused me so much grief.
I am an intj, however, my ti and ne are so heavily used that typing is blurry to many.
So I relate with many characteristics of intps as I share them directly via function strength.
I love the peach "core" he always uses -ENFP
The intro was La Campanella, it get's really complicated and awesome.
Holy shit! I actually did that card game example in like 9th grade. I made a way to play yugioh with playing cards. Also, I tested INTP on the MBTI test.
Im an INTP. I lived all this life only to find out that knowledge is the ultimate power. Although we never chase power , once an INTP figured out who you are, what you do and what triggers you, he will wipe you out in no time.
I can't do the robot vice..... hah! It's giving me a headache... 😴
it's too dam linear and constant
Ryann €exactly!
really? I absolutely love it
Roi Flip Ahhhhhh! Are you serious? MAN, you need some serious help. But it really goes to show.. different beings man. Different beings. 😵
The voice of an INTP, tries to destroy as much ego as possible while sticking to the facts.
1:56 Is that David Gahan from Depeche Mode?
I am an INTP and I don't really believe in a universal morality. I associate claims of having found one with authoritarian regimes and organized religion, both of which I oppose. People who seek power always claim their might makes right and justify their immoral actions after the fact, after they've jailed or slaughtered anyone who might disagree. The only universal values I embrace are libertarianism and a commitment to democratic governance. But when it comes to morality on a small scale, like what to do with one's sexuality or whether certain drugs or foods are morally ok, that is up to individual choice. Universal principles are more better suited to the large collective actions of people, not individual small-scale choices that don't effect anyone else in a significant way.
You are wrong
Thats your value for the individual speaking which is very intp.
I don't think we understood Universal Values the same way. It's not to limit, it's to protect & grant. If it's limiting, then it's not (shouldn't be) universal.
Morality is not subjective. It’s that sort of ‘tolerance’ that has created the absolutely rampant, mind boggling levels of degeneracy we see today.
Also, modern democracy is shite. Leaving the fate of civilization to the whims of the mob is suicidal.
@@soapmaker2263 Name one non-democratic state, past or present, with the same level of prosperity and freedom as modern western democracies
5:29 ,how did he know? I had this idea once.
Caleb Grasse if you know a bit about topology: there exist a proof, that for every manifold up to the third dimension has a triangulation. it nails it...
How many INTP's regard themselves as libertarians or ancaps?
I am an INTP libertarian, as well as my best friend
I'm an INTP Libertarian/Ancap.
I am an INTP and libertarian. Fascinating :O
+Kenneth Veseth I'm a strict free-market capitalist and an INTP.
So am I :-)
the intro and outro so amazing good job
got damn! I'm an INTP and most of my roles are the same exept Tesla. he was definetely an intj. and I will be a physicist btw.
He also fell in love with a dove in his later days. I don't have a point, just a fun fact...
I am an intp and don't conceive of my morality as applying universally. I do have a strong affinity for finding systems, but I don't believe those systems are necessarily absolute. I acknowledge that morality is relative to the observer, and that is an absolute observation, but my own personal morality is what I live by, and that only applies to me. My moral system is from my own personal reference point, so it is not universally true. Acknowledging that other people have their own reference points does not invalidate my own as long as I don't claim it is absolute (which you claim I do).
Holy shit this was spot on...
Very well done, imo.
Thank you.
Weeeee’re off! To see the science! The wonderful science of life! Because, because, because! The wonderful things it does!
INTP. We may not be to your liking but you need us more than we need you.
INTP MASTER RACE
Loren Aguilar .... Goo goo Ga ga geee geee poo poo man.
Any rational INTP will desire to eventually evolve into an ENTP
But we don't have any desire to rule the world or tell others how they are to live their lives. Just let us thrive on our own.
the struggle is real when people try to make intense eye contact. i can feel their disgust when i cant reciprocate. lots of people i have been meeting recently seem to need affirmation from the people around them. i cant bear it, its like they feel as though they do not exist without someone else's acknowledgement. i reserve this intimacy for the people closest to me and even then, engage in it sparingly.
I feel the same, I dont like being alone, but when I'm around my friends I dont like to talk. I've had awkward experiences when talking.
He said at the beginning that he would not be stereotypical, and then says every stereotypical thing about INTP's possible. NO I am not a genius or amazing at math, and NO I am not disgusted by feelings, thats just rediculous. INTP's can be very warm and accepting of feelings because we can see the underlying reason behind why someone is feeling a particular way. Even if we ourselves don't really care one way or another we can see point a and so we can help make someone feel better because we can see point b threw our intuition, point b being something to make them feel better, usually a piece of logic overlooked.
When I took an online test I got intj, but this fits much better. I like learning just for the sake of knowledge.
Funny how i'm an INTP and both my best friends are ENTP's. :D
+Tobias Larsson I have INTJ friends :D
Umm why did u have to put that terrifying photo there, almost shat myself.
INTP when I was 19 met my wife to be (ESTJ 11 years older than I) shown her my coin collection, she wasn't impressed. Hmm.... 12 years on ask her to read INTP profile, not interested. Thinks psychology is heebee jebees. Haha. But doesn't get me she's a stubborn realist. I like the challenge and her motivation and loyalty but I do get frustrated from time to time, she's not one to debate but shout her belief as facts. It makes me think more about how to talk to people, where I have to use applications or examples of my ideas and then prompt her to make the connection. But sometimes pure bloody mindedness prevails. I guess the fact that we bounce many ideas about true or false to gauge the structure and thoughts of another or our selves would seem like we have bad logic to an estj. And this overshadows the times when do have moments of excellence to which we may decide to contradict in a really strong way for the sake of testing rigidity or just because of a variable moving which might require a whole new perspective. Damn social conditioning and rules. Also those figures people publish that are odds based on averages that are taken out of context and used for a multitude of things this frustrates me. The youtube list: 10 most unluckiest people: One is a park ranger that spends the most part on mountain tops, and he's been struck by lightening 7 times and they just use the odds of the average person being struck by lightning to the power of 7. Really? That's the odds of the average person getting struck not him me or any individual. He had already been struck 6 times the probability of it happening again is quite high I'd say. Not unlucky just stupid that he does nothing to prevent it. This is just one case of figures that frustrates me as my government collects these types of stats for many departments and fails to see why everything's so dysfunctional. Give me strength. My children INTP's go to a school where they are taught that free thinking is incorrect and there's only one way to do something correctly. They're gonna have the motivation kicked out of them. They have a thirst for knowledge but all the school wants to do is use them as a hard drive to pass an exam not showing them the wonder in anything. Schools are scared to confront an individuals personality and needs, and careers advice omg 5mins of someone asking what your parents do and that you should go to 6thform for some more thoughtless memorizing. I'll definitely be filling the gap state education misses. Sorry but education failed me. I later went to Uni to do electrical engineering but the time I spent in school and 6thform wasted. I've learnt more since I left. I got into music I had no concept of pitch and then thought how could they of failed to teach me this in school. I remember writing quavers reading about Mozart, hitting a triangle and making an anti drugs rap. And I remember reading my music report A for effort B for attainment, yet I would leave understanding nothing about music. I could go on, other subjects taught keywords to pass exams based on example exam questions. You have to know these keywords understanding the subject is irrelevant. Maths I can do it in my head and divide showing more decimals than a calculator in my head but you have to forget that skill to be able to work things out and instead show these workings, it doesn't matter if you get it wrong as long as you use this method and show these workings. I used to love maths untill I went to comprehensive school. Omg some lessons just sat there waiting for anyone of 30 pupils to catch up with the already underwhelming and dictator style subjects. I wanted to learn but 30 min later still on the thing that clicked in my head in the first few seconds. Now I'm looking outside and when a teacher pulls me up on this puts me on the spot and asks me a question I either give them an answer and they don't like me or I say something stupid because I'm past caring.
Toller Brown INTP as well. I echo you on a lot of your frustrations especially those relating to school. Had the same issue with math. Sometimes I'd develop quicker formulas I could do in my head, and when I turned the assignment in, the teacher punished me for it instead of praising me. I became a less-than-stellar performer when it came to grades and some teachers told my parent I was mentally handicapped and belonged in a special school. No one thinks these things of me as an adult after high school, however.
That's terrible., my daughter from a different partner was tested for Asperger, I forwarded a report on misdiagnosis of INTP at a young age and nothing else has been followed up. We can tick most of the same boxes. And I was questioned for being lazy for having high SAT scores. I started doing alot of math and pattern recognition in my head lately, I find it very therapeutic. Takes me back to my school days before I was taught to put a load of step by step operations in the way of simple logic. I'm trying to teach my son to understand the schools requirements but its not easy. I found that when they say show workings, I would feel compelled to think what is that longwinded method they were implying rather than deconstructing what just happened in my head which upsets the flow and left me in a bodged reasoning
That music in the beginning is splendid.
Wow! After reading through the comments it strikes me as ironic that an INTP would point out that MeyersBriggs is a working model that is still disputed by some. It’s also amusing how “INTPs” here are bordering on referring to it as an ideological given. At any rate, attempting to find the logic and algorithms imbedded in this matrix is both amusing and frustrating. I simply found it a fairly good shorthand in figuring out how in the hell other people’s minds work! Rather crude, like using a compass to orient yourself in the universe...your construction of reliable objective “reality” is based on the quality of your instruments and methodology. That’s why an INTP is as likely to say, meh, as eureka...it’s always a hypothesis 🤷♀️🖖
Omg, this. It's hilarious how some people here take being an INTP so seriously. I'm an INTP according to MBTI and that's fascinating because yes, according to its description, i fit the category so much it's creepy. But to actually comment on someone that "if you are real INTP, your response should have been blah blah" is hilarious. Anyway, the comment section here is so entertaining at least.
It's so true about wanting the to get to core principals of anything and dress it with other skins...
why jung rocks?
'Cause he rocks my socks
I consider it more of a philosopher more than an architect.
my favorite part of the video is the animatronic bear metaphor.
10WorthwhileDilemmas sameee
was anyone else bugged by that reoccurring slide that said "jung rocks" and what it meant then sent on an episode where you pace around your room trying to figure out why the fuck he did that half way through this video while you're still trying to understand that basis on how you work? anybody or am i truly alone in this universe?
+John Forge Um...well, "Jung rocks" refers to Carl Jung...I'm just saying "Carl Jung is awesome!" to be funny, just as a placeholder, because for various reasons I couldn't do a slide.
I have a disagreement with the idea of INTPs being focused on universal morality. I believe strongly in moral relativism, and I'm sure this isn't exclusive to myself.
Isn't someone's particular beliefs of morality too far abstracted from basic personality types to make any real arguments?
I agree.
Agreed
+Orgoth Mcgee They probably mean moral relativism is the governing universal principle rather than there is a set of rules for every person/time/place.
Not entirely, morality rises from Human evolution and people being social animals. To me peoples subjective moral schemes don't encroach beyond the boarders of evolutionary constraints. You being a human being limits what you can consider moral or immoral. People differ certainly, but the general patterns are all the same, because being an evolved thing has real implications that I don't believe many take into account during analysis.
With you there
great points about morality. i identify with them very much although i haven't really come up with any definitive expectation nor the conclusion that there shouldn't be one.
Some of this didn't describe me, but I know that you weren't trying to explain things from a behaviorist standpoint, nor were you trying to describe all INTPs. Good video, nonetheless.
As an INFP, out of all the types I find the INTP preferences and main functions to be the most amazing. Seems like the *for lack of a better word* 'the strong older brother' to the INFP (I don't mean we INFPs can't stand up for ourselves. But typically we WON'T. UNLESS we see someone else would be hurt if we didn't)..
This type of thought process along with just as much respect towards being authentic and having you're own personal individuality backed by Ti is awesome in my opinion. I have mad respect for these preference functions, even though I know I couldn't use them as well nor really want to. It's the most admirable to me personally. I do however even as an INFP have a huge need to get down to the core basic principle of things but I love building up the aesthetics and hold just as much value in it, unlike the INTP. Which I imagine they could view as distracting, depending on the task at hand.
+1 vote for moral nihilism from an INTP
No one likes immoral nihilism?
A shame, I say. A shame.
Yes in a way, but moral values are useful in everyday life.
Any intp who coverts to nihilism because they couldn't locate God gave up to early- the answers are out there-don't quit just yet
@@Ortorin im an intp- 145 iq - not genious by any means- but no- not retarded- all i said was keep looking- nothing about giving up logic- if you're an intp i know you will always be looking anyway- just give it a few more years and you'll be tired of nihl
@yoy nono thanks for the videos suggestion ill give it a look- i believe you are right and nihilism is a form of courage but for me i considered it when I was ready to stop searching for god because of just being frustrated and tired and worn out from lack of answers and"proof"- and for me it was actually the opposite of courage- and ultimately it couldn't rein in my mind and provide a finality- so for me the search continues
Do you also have ideas on the Strengths and Weaknesses of the INTP and strategies how to cope with it?
ian buenaventura Well, what is a strength or a weakness in typology depends on the situation, so I don't know if I could tell you specific strengths or weaknessess. Ti is analytical, piercing, and wants to build a logical system that's consistent in the mind. That can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on what you want to do. Which doesn't really answer your question... But whatever weaknesses might come up, I myself believe the best therapy is simply knowing about your own psychology so you know why you have trouble in certain areas. I could also recommend finding productive ways to express the inferior function so it doesn't creep up on you later. I don't know if that helps?
finally! :D
i am so intrigued by the INTP, of all the types, i understand them the least,
Matuvo Namiikaze I barely understand myself either...
Our outer demeanor will reach it's limit very quickly via personal attacks especially physical attacks
As an INTP. No INTP can ever be a nihilist. At best you can admit not enough data for full understanding. But when you know you KNOW. And moralistic ideas are self evident. At least for me. I understand the aversion to such ideas because feeling types cling so strongly one way or the other without understanding the reason why. Those INTP who claim nihilism. Think about it a little more:)
They must be young intps who havent understood much of the world yet. But they will in time.
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by nihilism? Epistemological nihilism denies the possibility of knowledge so it sort of sounds like what you're saying. As for existential nihilism(which you probably meant), I think it's the most reasonable conclusion if you accept the possibility of knowledge (beyond reasonable doubt). Sure you can say that no one knows for sure but analogically you can be a agnostic atheist when it comes to God. You don't KNOW but it's not reasonable to assume that God exists given all the empiric facts. I'd say I'm agnostic when it comes to meaning in the universe but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that there is any inherent meaning. I also deny existentialism (as in making your own meaning). I'd call myself either a nihilist or an Absurdist if someone insisted on an answer.
I'd like you to elaborate why INTPs can't be nihilists though.
LiSwD1 There are alot of empiric facts that reasonably hints of an intelligent designer aka God, but you're in denial and turning your head away from them.
Such as? Do these "facts" also specify which god(s) is(are) the real ones?
LiSwD1 Off the top of my head, intelligent coding inside our DNA, and fine-tuning of the universe which single handedly caused scientists to have to resort to fringe science like multiverses to explain. The question of which Gods are the real one is irrelevant. there can only be ONE ultimate intelligent designer.
An automatic subscription and like. JUST BECAUSE OF THE OPENING SONG. My goodness do I love that song.