Bro have you ever played the BK romhack "jiggies of time" ? I'm not sure how you feel about romhacks, but it's an amazing game. 100 percent worth a play, especially if you're a Zelda fan as well.
@@DemonWhisper1yeah! I started playing it on stream! I think I want to do a whole rom hack review thing. I’ve played a few Banjo rom hacks on live stream
My theory for the collapsed lair is that Grunty's magic was keeping it intact, likely to reduce the need for constant maintenance. Without it, all the wear and tear over the years finally caught up.
A part of me assumed that maybe Brentilda was killed by Gruntilda, and it’s actually her ghost we see during Banjo-Kazooie. It would explain why she has you defeat Grunty for her instead of just doing it herself. She could’ve just moved on to the afterlife at the end of the game as she probably thought there was no reason to stick around anymore as Gruntilda was defeated “for good”. It wouldn’t be that weird as she knows Grunty’s deepest, darkest secrets and she killed her other two sisters at the end of Banjo-Tooie as well.
She’s the only one of the sisters to fly without a broom so maybe! Never thought of that. She does fade in and out of existence when you approach her throughout the lair
Rare signing with Microsoft was the worst timeline. We could’ve had a GameCube title of Threeie and not have it been some weird vehicle based world with 327 clones of each world.
If you actually watched some stuff on Nuts and Bolts' development, you'd come to find that it wasn't Microsoft that made them do Nuts and Bolts, it was Rare themselves who made that decision. They started on a full-fledged remake of the first game, but shifted gears to something more vehicular based, which evolved into Nuts and Bolts, which they felt could suit a new Banjo game. Whether it worked or not is subjective, but the objective fact is that the game wasn't some corrupted abomination mandated by Microsoft, it came about due to Rare experimenting with the Banjo formula.
@@FloutchBW The games were great, sure. But that doesn't mean everything going on behind the scenes was perfect. They began to have a strained business relationship with Nintendo since they were struggling more each year with keeping up with deadlines and going over budget. The games on the SNES and N64 were great, but as they became more complex and time-consuming to develop, it was becoming more evident each year that they were having trouble keeping up (Jet Force alone was delayed twice). Miyamoto wasn't fond of them, as a result. Said issues were also draining Rare's wallet. So when their contract was up, as a company, Nintendo decided that the best decision financially would be to let them go. Desperate for cash, Rare auctioned their 51% of stock, and Microsoft, having just entered the console market at the time, was the highest bidder. As a kid with undying love for their work, it was easy to be mad at Nintendo for lamenting what could have been. But as an adult, I sort of get where they were coming from via a business perspective.
Regarding the matter of Grunty's lair being destroyed, I always assumed it was the consequence of the Digger's arrival. Remember, Banjo's entire house shook as the Digger emerged from the mountain. So one can assume that that drilling caused all that destruction to the land and the lair. Also FYI, the tower room was going to be accessible according to unused location text in the game's rom.
Interesting theories. As for what happened to Gruntilda’s lair, I feel like the place began to crumble a little after the events of Kazooie from the intense final battle. A house without anyone to upkeep the inside will eventually fall apart. Especially with it being in a cave. Which is probably why Klungo never went back inside because he couldn’t. Not to mention the bridge was out. The place is probably cluttered with giant boulders by the time N&B rolls around.
Gruntilda does briefly mention Brentilda during Grunty's Furnace Fun: She can ask questions about her, plus when you first correctly answer a Grunty question space she'll ask if Brentilda told you the answer.
Hmm, Grunty’s sisters might have done more test runs with B.O.B. before they showed it off to Gruntilda. That thing did have the range to hit all the way back to Bottles. I’d just assumed that maybe Tooty was visiting Banjo, and that afterwards she went back to wherever their parents are.
1:04 I LEGIT had a dream where if you get EVERYTHING in the game, Cheato would crash himself into the debris, and you can explore the rest of the lair. Sadly, as I got older, I learnt of cartridge space. It would have been nice if Rare made a Lock-On Technology-type of cartridge akin to Sonic & Knuckles so you could turn the game into Banjo-Kazooie-Tooie to make the game the quintessential Banjo game, but sadly it didn’t come into fruition along with Cauldron Castle. If you’re going to do more mysteries of Banjo-Tooie, talk about the unused Castle World I lovingly refer to as Cauldron Castle. Did Donkey-Kong 64’s $1M marketing budget have something do to with it?
Tooty was supposed to appear in Tooie, there are storyboards showing that she was going to be at least part of the opening. I’m guessing the reason she was cut was that she didn’t really have a purpose compared to Mumbo (Who became playable in this game) and Bottles (Who’s death kicks off the plot.) had Tooty’s epilouge journey happened in the first game she probably would’ve joined Banjo and Kazooie on their quest to save bottles.
@@brokentoy8616 At the end of Banjo Kazooie Grunty fires one last spell before she falls down her tower that totally misses Banjo but originally it would’ve hit him turning him into a frog forcing Tooty and Kazooie to find more mumbo tokens to turn him back to normal.
Banjo-Tooie when I played it, I picked on way more British references, or things though out the game, than Banjo-Kazooie, like when Banjo becomes a Stony and gets to play that sport football, the sport is hugely popular here in the UK, and is often number 1 in the charts. King Jingaling, I remember mentions the sport, and sounds exactly how fans here speak about football. The pig with the union jack "pants", it's the name we call for underwear. The slap stick comedy, which has the burping and farting, which is often in a lot of films here.
Grunty’s lair is destroyed when she and her sisters destroy Spiral Mountain. Knowing she wouldn’t need it anymore, Grunty willingly destroyed her lair along with the rest of Spiral Mountain most likely in hopes that Banjo would be unable to enter past worlds, as well as Cheato being unable to help them, however this is both clearly and thankfully not the case. Cheato is an awesome character. B)
1. I think this one requires a separation of story and gameplay. While we can go back and revisit Grunty's lair in Kazooie, and it's perfectly fine, this is mainly for people to go back and 100% the game if they didn't already prior to fighting Grunty. Story-wise, I always imagined Grunty's Lair falling into ruin as a result of her defeat. Like, the state of the lair is somehow tied to her power and well-being. 2. My guess would be the same species. 3. Brentilda probably left after Grunty's defeat, as she thought Grunty's reign was over. Tooty could have gone back to the Brothers Bear, and the "Missing" milk carton was actually originally from Banjo-Kazooie when she was kidnapped. Would also explain why the carton is in a garbage can in the first place. 4. Grunty's a narcissistic, power-hungry entrepreneur. She'll never turn down an opportunity to expand her power and influence. I highly recommend Designing For's "The Putrid Pride of Gruntilda" video if you want a more in-depth character analysis of her in this regard. 5. Yeah... I'm not touching this one. Too weird. 6. Grunty's sisters implied that Grunty would require a lot of life force to restore because of how big she is. I imagine restoring her magic powers to their previous potential has something to do with it as well. Otherwise, I would assume she wants to drain the entire island just for the evulz, possibly making her even more powerful than before. 7. This aspect of the lore has always fascinated me the most. I imagine the Jiggies are incredibly ancient, and multiple groups, philosophies, religions, and spiritualities have cropped up around them over the years, trying to understand and contemplate their mysterious power and origins. Notice how a good chunk of the worlds in Tooie revolve around the ruins of past civilizations. 8. Big. Very, very big. Stomponadon could be the equivalent of Godzilla in Banjo's world. 9. I imagine the Glowbos just simply fade from existence once their power is used up. 10. Microsoft is allegedly working on a new Banjo project as we speak. Hard to say if it'll be Banjo-Threeie though.
For number 3, it says on the milk carton "last seen in Banjo Kazooie" so I think its recent. Personally think they just took her out by choice and added it as a joke as if she is missing
@@TheHallow31 In that case I would say its in the garbage can because shes been missing so long that Banjo and friends gave up looking lol. So now its like old news in universe
As much as we all love to disown nuts and bolts as a sequel, TEEEEEECHNICALLY nuts and bolts is the threeie. The rare developers have been quoted saying there was never going to be a banjo threeie, the name was just a throwaway gag. The third game was going to have a different name, and nuts and bolts is what they decided on. Nuts and bolts also changed a lot in what it was originally going to be, like revisiting past levels in a new context and grunty being a constant rival
Yeah. But I bet it’ll be retconned if they ever did another game. Though it did have a lot of continuation of characters stories that I liked! It was just such a deviation from the Banjo we knew. I don’t dislike it. I just want a proper platformer
I feel like the reason the worlds and lair are all worn down and unkempt are because Grunty and her sisters magic was probably giving power to sustain the way to enter each world. Without them occupying the space anymore the lair probably couldn't upkeep everything there that was needing magic to exist in that space and just ended up dilapidating over time.
Just binge watched your channel (most of it at least lol) and subscribed, it makes me so happy to see people still talk and discuss about these games, specially Banjo, Kazooie and Tooie are my favorites of all time.
Thanks so much!!! I got tons of stuff coming still! Trying to chug out things as often as I can! More Kazooie content in the works currently as well :)
I feel the earthquake from the digging machine, could've ruined the inside of an old castle. Also, as the witches are leaving, Blobbelda says "Troops we will leave, destroy area they will!", which could explain the bridge.
Great video! You mentioned that Tooty was on the missing poster but didn't mention Brentilda's portrait in Pawno's shop. For the B.O.B., I wish they added a game over screen showing the machine being fully charged and Gruntilda's form restored. They had a game over cutscene for BK, why not BT? For the Glowbos, not only are they a race of magical beings, but there's a Mega Glowbo too. I wonder if there are more Mega Glowbos out there somewhere. Looking forward to the Conker video next!
I got Tooie before Kazooie when I asked for Kazooie for Christmas. I didn't even know there was a Tooie! I was so eager to play Kazooie that I got super frustrated at the lair and was genuinely convinced that, if I got past the stones blocking access to Mumbo's Mountain, that I could play the entirety of Kazooie while playing Tooie. Cut to twenty years later and I got it on three different platforms.
Nintendo, especially Banjo games (Little bit of Mario 64) Probably forged 80% of the musical person in me by having sound tracks that fit the environment I was looking at, and even taking them and changing their tone to STILL fit the mood. Click Clock wood's four seasons, being underwater in a level, going into some kind of cave like structure and it being a xylophone type instrument. etc. etc. God-Tier music for kids to grow up on.
After you defeat Grunty you can’t go back into Bottles’ home. It always bummed me out as it was mostly the reason you went on this adventure and can’t talk to him or his family. I just wanted to celebrate with em.
You can even soft lock the game knowing this. If you don’t activate the silos, go to the first level, type in the code to open all levels, and after obtaining the necessary moves, revive bottles, save and reset before facing Grunty, you will be stuck in Jinjo village forever.
Same here. I really don't get the point of blocking off Bottles' home, but blocking off the two rooms that take you further than the entrance to Gruntildas lair is more understandable as the N64 cartridge wouldn't have had enough storeage space, plus when playing a new game, wouldn't the player want to explore new levels?
What I'd love to see is a Banjo-Tooie mod that makes Gruntilda's Lair fully explorable again, but still have it all be in disrepair, like having all the worlds be completely empty and lifeless without Grunty's magic to sustain everything.
I always assumed because we see how petty the BK cast are, what with playing kickball with Grunty's decapitated head, they just deface her lair at some point between games and maybe her sister's drill might've caused paths to cave in
1. The enemies released by the Winkybunion sisters destroyed Gruntilda's lair. As well as other stuff in that area. It is mentioned that is what they are there for by Blobbelda. 2. B.O.B. only needed so much of a cooldown because Gruntilda was impatient and wanted to use the entire machine to suck the life force out of the entire Isle O' Hags at once requiring huge amounts of power.
RareWare has commented about how useless characters Brentilda and Tooty were, likely causing them to lack any appearance in Banjo-Tooie (which is sad because while they weren’t the most useful, they were still kind and cool). :(
Tbh i always thought the reason she needed the entire islands energy was that she was going to get her body back, and on top of that nake herself conventially attractive like in the first game
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One thing I noticed about Gruntilda's lair Is that in the opening for the game when the camera is panning down over the outside of the lair you can see there is a piece of the brim of the hat missing. Meaning it already had some damage before her sisters arrived. The color appears to be the same as it appears in the main game: brown without the Green highlights In the first game. However both eyes are intact, while In the main game one eye is missing. My theory is it was already in a state of disrepair and the sister's arrival caused it to suffer even more damage.
And I bet the reason why the worlds from the first game were blocked off was simply so they didn't have to include the rest of the lair in the game. To save space On the cartridge.
4:18 I believe it was for two reasons: 1. Gruntilda's mind deteriorated and her angry as she layed trapped and decomposing underground grew exponentially releasing all the inner evil in her. 2. Its possible she didn't have the power to do such great evil before. However when she got the super weapon she was suddenly now capable of greater evil that she may have wanted to do, but never could. Come to think of it, we haven't seen much of her early life and other activities before the events of banjo 1.
I don't know which world in Banjo Tooie is my favorite I rather like em all but I definitely love the Glitter Gulch Mine because it's a lot like an old West gold mine and I love the train Chuffy
I always wondered how characters like gobi or boggy made it into the isle of hags from gobis valley/click clock wood and freezezy peak. Like are the bk worlds actual places that exist in the isle o hags or are they stand alone realms created by magic? I guess that's kind of similar to mario 64, are the painting worlds real or not?
I imagine the extra life force used to resurrect Bottles came from Grunty's rather hefty body. She DID head up as just a head at the end of Tooie after all.
Maybe originally you were supposed to go back through the lair after learning a specific move and rescue Brentilda who would give you a spell to enter in the Mayahem Temple Code Chamber. The lair might’ve also had 10 Jiggies to collect as well as I’ve always found it odd that there were only 90 in the game and some of the previews said there were 100 new Jiggies to collect. Something else odd is that even after you give him his last page Cheato still tells you to be on the lookout for more. So there are definitely some unfinished things in BT.
I think the length of time an individual has spent dead may have something to do with B.O.B.'s energy disparity. That would explain why they need so much for Grunty, she was dead for a couple years. Whereas Jingaling and Bottles were only recently expired. Just a theory, of course
bro banjo tooie was the most perfect sequel of all time imo. the level design and the fact that they intertwine with eachother to complete quests for certain jiggies. every level had a boss battle. the industrial like design of certain parts of the worlds, the music, the 4th wall breaking dialogue, character designs, and mild not too hard not too easy difficulty, and now you had fire eggs, ice eggs, grenade eggs, and remote fucking control mini kazooie eggs. man everything about this game was perfect to me especially as a kid. and my only wish is that i had more of this game just as it was but in a 3rd installment. nuts and bolts was the biggest let down because it took everything great about the first 2 and made a basic xbox 360 game with no soul.
If we had gotten that mythical Banjo Threeie on GameCube it would have been incredible. Honestly would be really cool if we got a proper Banjo Threeie and they made it look like the 64 game so we had a cohesive retro looking trilogy
A small detail. Like with Humba Wumba, whenever you use Mumbo's magic pad for the first time in each world, you'll see the Glowbo pop out of his bag and disappear much like with Humba's pool.
I thought so but I was going through my footage and it’s so much trying to find a section of Mumbo using his magic the first time and shows the glowbo annoyed me so I just didn’t highlight it. Thanks for clarifying!
The glowbos don’t die, their magic gets drained and it looks like they get defeated. But if they’re magical, they can revitalize themselves. Mumbai and humba wumba won’t rely so heavily on their magic power on these creatures if it was only one use and done
At this point Banjo-Threeie should be a big rom hack using Banjo-Kazooie & Banjo-Tooie game designs while making the third game original We missed out on what would have been an amazing trilogy of Banjo games
I think Canary Mary is supposed to be a Harpy, a half-bird/woman creature from Greek Mythology. They are apperantly wind spirits or "Hounds of Zeus" which could explain why Mary hangs out in Cloud Cuckooland. They are also guardians of the underworld and torment people which is self explanatory.
From what I've heard, apparently Banjo-Threeie got transformed into Nuts and Bots. I've never played Nuts and Bolts, but apparently the giant stages that have lots of empty areas are evidence that it was going to be the 3rd entry in the Collectathon Platformer series, before being recycled into the racing game. Also the intro does have you collecting items, but only to make fun of it. The game that was ultimately made, Nuts and Bolts, is a racing game, different genre, so is obviously a spinoff. Too bad Rare / Microsoft thought the Genre was dead...
One of the devs said on twitter that the whole "Threeie" tease was actually meant to be a Joke, but like... come on... 1. You don't tease a sequel at the end of the first game and then do it again in the second game only to say "oh that was a joke" after you set precedent, and 2. Jokes are supposed to be funny. I hope we get Banjo Threeie but i'm honestly not sure I'd trust the current Rare to make it.
King Jingalings pet is toots from BK, I didn't realize the snaker charmer had a pet lol, but I remember it from the character parade, and found it on youtube and confirmed it. I guess you can tell which one I played more lmfao.
The biggest mystery is: Where's the last Jinjo/Jiggy? [Who let my childhood self take control of this account...?] Banjo Tooie was another key N64 title for encouraging exploration for me alongside its predecessor.
I feel like the whole "rubbish video game character police" quip was just Gregg Mayles selling out his ex-Rare fellows at Microsoft. Just like the new art style and gameplay in Nuts and Bolts. He really got too big for his britches after the sale from Nintendo.
Awesome video! It is funny as I had many of these same questions when I first played Banjo-Tooie as a kid, especially regarding the fate of Tooty and Bentilda after Kazooie. 6:40 I've been wondering this for decades and was going to mention it if you didn't already. I'm also curious if there ever will be a complete remaster of Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie much like Crash and Spyro received a few years ago.
I have a theory with Tooty that the sisters unalived her by stealing her life force. This is how Banjo was able to revive both Bottles (who did not have his life force taken) and King Jinjo.
@@LilyEmbargo That’s what kid me told myself after being utterly horrified by the opening up to that point. But then you can see a charred space on the couch where his eyes are if I remember right
Canary Mary is one of the weirdest characters I’ve ever seen in a game. Also, she really is Satan. Her rematch in Cloud cuckooland can go to hell. Also, the real mystery is why we never got a third game. Agreed, nuts and bolts doesn’t count. Looking forward to your next video man!
You correctly noticed glowbos fly off and disappear once you jump in Wumba’s pool, I think I remember that they jump out of Mumbo’s bag the first time you activate a Mumbo Magic pad too
When I was younger I could’ve sworn they said in game what happens to the glowbos, but I guess my kid brain was just filling in the gaps. Anyways I thought that Wumba used to keep them as little pets while Mumbo would use them to make tasty soup.
well it wasn't banjo three but there was a game for the GBA thad worked as a prequel for Banjo-tooie named "Banjo-Kazooie Gruntys Revenge" where grunty before her sisters arrive goes back in time to prevent her downfall.
I like to think that the life force given to Bottles was somehow taken from George and Mildred. I have no way of proving it, but it certainly feels in line with how the games treat those two.
1: So people don't re explore the old places. The N64 also doesn't have infinite space to work with. 2: Reused assets. The devs liked the creature so they gave the king it as a pet. 3: They did what they needed to in the first game. They were no longer necessary for Tooie. And yeah, the devs also confirmed that they did not like those characters. 4: Having a bad guy with so many talents makes you fear them more. 5: Orrrrr... The gas was as dangerous as radioactiveness. Or the devs couldn't think of a better character design for her. How do you make a bird look like a grandma? 6: Because the devs needed to give the player time. 7: Or maybe the devs wanted to not make them look like literal jiggys. I doubt you can do much animation with a jiggy lol. 8: Get the model from the game and take a look at it? We are no longer in 2003. 9: If you payed attention, once Mumbo casts a spell, the Glowbo jumps out and walks away. So no, the devs show that they don't die. 10: Banjo Threeie is Nuts and Bolts. Don't like it? Too bad. People like Shooters more than senseless collectathons. -L.O.G
My answers are always going to be different than “the devs designed it that way.” Lol I like to add some creativity and explore this lore and contemplate in game explanations for things.
I think I’m gonna do Conker next.
Oh yes please do. Perfect Dark also
Bro have you ever played the BK romhack "jiggies of time" ? I'm not sure how you feel about romhacks, but it's an amazing game. 100 percent worth a play, especially if you're a Zelda fan as well.
@@DemonWhisper1yeah! I started playing it on stream! I think I want to do a whole rom hack review thing. I’ve played a few Banjo rom hacks on live stream
You should man
@@jiggylookback what about grunty's revenge on GBA
My theory for the collapsed lair is that Grunty's magic was keeping it intact, likely to reduce the need for constant maintenance. Without it, all the wear and tear over the years finally caught up.
Or the spell she used to try and kill banjo as she was abt to fall off the lair coud have made some of it cave in and fall
@@Masontherasoncarmore sense for me
A part of me assumed that maybe Brentilda was killed by Gruntilda, and it’s actually her ghost we see during Banjo-Kazooie. It would explain why she has you defeat Grunty for her instead of just doing it herself. She could’ve just moved on to the afterlife at the end of the game as she probably thought there was no reason to stick around anymore as Gruntilda was defeated “for good”. It wouldn’t be that weird as she knows Grunty’s deepest, darkest secrets and she killed her other two sisters at the end of Banjo-Tooie as well.
She’s the only one of the sisters to fly without a broom so maybe! Never thought of that. She does fade in and out of existence when you approach her throughout the lair
That is terrifying
Valid
I like to imagine that she's very much alive, but isn't in Tooie because she's too busy helping Tootie on whatever trouble she ended up in.
Rare signing with Microsoft was the worst timeline. We could’ve had a GameCube title of Threeie and not have it been some weird vehicle based world with 327 clones of each world.
To be fair, Nintendo were assholes to Rare (not surprising coming from Nintendo), so that probably influenced their decision to sign with Microsoft.
If you actually watched some stuff on Nuts and Bolts' development, you'd come to find that it wasn't Microsoft that made them do Nuts and Bolts, it was Rare themselves who made that decision.
They started on a full-fledged remake of the first game, but shifted gears to something more vehicular based, which evolved into Nuts and Bolts, which they felt could suit a new Banjo game. Whether it worked or not is subjective, but the objective fact is that the game wasn't some corrupted abomination mandated by Microsoft, it came about due to Rare experimenting with the Banjo formula.
@@FloutchBW The games were great, sure. But that doesn't mean everything going on behind the scenes was perfect. They began to have a strained business relationship with Nintendo since they were struggling more each year with keeping up with deadlines and going over budget. The games on the SNES and N64 were great, but as they became more complex and time-consuming to develop, it was becoming more evident each year that they were having trouble keeping up (Jet Force alone was delayed twice). Miyamoto wasn't fond of them, as a result. Said issues were also draining Rare's wallet. So when their contract was up, as a company, Nintendo decided that the best decision financially would be to let them go. Desperate for cash, Rare auctioned their 51% of stock, and Microsoft, having just entered the console market at the time, was the highest bidder. As a kid with undying love for their work, it was easy to be mad at Nintendo for lamenting what could have been. But as an adult, I sort of get where they were coming from via a business perspective.
Regarding the matter of Grunty's lair being destroyed, I always assumed it was the consequence of the Digger's arrival. Remember, Banjo's entire house shook as the Digger emerged from the mountain. So one can assume that that drilling caused all that destruction to the land and the lair. Also FYI, the tower room was going to be accessible according to unused location text in the game's rom.
Yeah that would make sense if it’s in disrepair. Would have been great to go back and run through it tho!
I like this explanation.
This was always my assumption!
Where could McJiggy's be located? As a kid, I always thought it was on the roof of Jiggywiggy's temple, and was sad I couldn't go to the top.
Has it really been 24 years since Tooie? 😭
Yeah it has
Interesting theories.
As for what happened to Gruntilda’s lair, I feel like the place began to crumble a little after the events of Kazooie from the intense final battle. A house without anyone to upkeep the inside will eventually fall apart. Especially with it being in a cave. Which is probably why Klungo never went back inside because he couldn’t. Not to mention the bridge was out. The place is probably cluttered with giant boulders by the time N&B rolls around.
If only we could get back in it and look around properly
Someone needs to make a mod where it combines banjo kazooies world and banjo tooies world into one giant world
That’d be amazing. I’m sure one day it will happen! They just can’t mod Tooie yet…but maybe soon!
Gruntilda does briefly mention Brentilda during Grunty's Furnace Fun: She can ask questions about her, plus when you first correctly answer a Grunty question space she'll ask if Brentilda told you the answer.
Hmm, Grunty’s sisters might have done more test runs with B.O.B. before they showed it off to Gruntilda. That thing did have the range to hit all the way back to Bottles. I’d just assumed that maybe Tooty was visiting Banjo, and that afterwards she went back to wherever their parents are.
Yeah I think I suggest Tooty went back to the Northern Kremisphere in a previous video
1:04 I LEGIT had a dream where if you get EVERYTHING in the game, Cheato would crash himself into the debris, and you can explore the rest of the lair. Sadly, as I got older, I learnt of cartridge space. It would have been nice if Rare made a Lock-On Technology-type of cartridge akin to Sonic & Knuckles so you could turn the game into Banjo-Kazooie-Tooie to make the game the quintessential Banjo game, but sadly it didn’t come into fruition along with Cauldron Castle.
If you’re going to do more mysteries of Banjo-Tooie, talk about the unused Castle World I lovingly refer to as Cauldron Castle. Did Donkey-Kong 64’s $1M marketing budget have something do to with it?
That would have been amazing!
Tooty was supposed to appear in Tooie, there are storyboards showing that she was going to be at least part of the opening. I’m guessing the reason she was cut was that she didn’t really have a purpose compared to Mumbo (Who became playable in this game) and Bottles (Who’s death kicks off the plot.) had Tooty’s epilouge journey happened in the first game she probably would’ve joined Banjo and Kazooie on their quest to save bottles.
Epilogue journey?
@@brokentoy8616 At the end of Banjo Kazooie Grunty fires one last spell before she falls down her tower that totally misses Banjo but originally it would’ve hit him turning him into a frog forcing Tooty and Kazooie to find more mumbo tokens to turn him back to normal.
Banjo-Tooie when I played it, I picked on way more British references, or things though out the game, than Banjo-Kazooie, like when Banjo becomes a Stony and gets to play that sport football, the sport is hugely popular here in the UK, and is often number 1 in the charts. King Jingaling, I remember mentions the sport, and sounds exactly how fans here speak about football.
The pig with the union jack "pants", it's the name we call for underwear.
The slap stick comedy, which has the burping and farting, which is often in a lot of films here.
Grunty’s lair is destroyed when she and her sisters destroy Spiral Mountain. Knowing she wouldn’t need it anymore, Grunty willingly destroyed her lair along with the rest of Spiral Mountain most likely in hopes that Banjo would be unable to enter past worlds, as well as Cheato being unable to help them, however this is both clearly and thankfully not the case.
Cheato is an awesome character. B)
1. I think this one requires a separation of story and gameplay. While we can go back and revisit Grunty's lair in Kazooie, and it's perfectly fine, this is mainly for people to go back and 100% the game if they didn't already prior to fighting Grunty. Story-wise, I always imagined Grunty's Lair falling into ruin as a result of her defeat. Like, the state of the lair is somehow tied to her power and well-being.
2. My guess would be the same species.
3. Brentilda probably left after Grunty's defeat, as she thought Grunty's reign was over. Tooty could have gone back to the Brothers Bear, and the "Missing" milk carton was actually originally from Banjo-Kazooie when she was kidnapped. Would also explain why the carton is in a garbage can in the first place.
4. Grunty's a narcissistic, power-hungry entrepreneur. She'll never turn down an opportunity to expand her power and influence. I highly recommend Designing For's "The Putrid Pride of Gruntilda" video if you want a more in-depth character analysis of her in this regard.
5. Yeah... I'm not touching this one. Too weird.
6. Grunty's sisters implied that Grunty would require a lot of life force to restore because of how big she is. I imagine restoring her magic powers to their previous potential has something to do with it as well. Otherwise, I would assume she wants to drain the entire island just for the evulz, possibly making her even more powerful than before.
7. This aspect of the lore has always fascinated me the most. I imagine the Jiggies are incredibly ancient, and multiple groups, philosophies, religions, and spiritualities have cropped up around them over the years, trying to understand and contemplate their mysterious power and origins. Notice how a good chunk of the worlds in Tooie revolve around the ruins of past civilizations.
8. Big. Very, very big. Stomponadon could be the equivalent of Godzilla in Banjo's world.
9. I imagine the Glowbos just simply fade from existence once their power is used up.
10. Microsoft is allegedly working on a new Banjo project as we speak. Hard to say if it'll be Banjo-Threeie though.
I see you too are an enjoyer of designing for 🥂
@@vonKaiser1917 🥂
For number 3, it says on the milk carton "last seen in Banjo Kazooie" so I think its recent. Personally think they just took her out by choice and added it as a joke as if she is missing
@@just_hunter That's the meta reason for Tooty being on the "missing" milk carton, yes. We're just trying to come up with in-universe reasons for fun.
@@TheHallow31 In that case I would say its in the garbage can because shes been missing so long that Banjo and friends gave up looking lol. So now its like old news in universe
I thoguht the Hag 1's digging caused the shaking that made Gruntilda's Lair to collapse inside.
Unclear. But possible!
Blobbelda also says their troops would destroy the area
As much as we all love to disown nuts and bolts as a sequel, TEEEEEECHNICALLY nuts and bolts is the threeie. The rare developers have been quoted saying there was never going to be a banjo threeie, the name was just a throwaway gag. The third game was going to have a different name, and nuts and bolts is what they decided on. Nuts and bolts also changed a lot in what it was originally going to be, like revisiting past levels in a new context and grunty being a constant rival
Yeah. But I bet it’ll be retconned if they ever did another game.
Though it did have a lot of continuation of characters stories that I liked! It was just such a deviation from the Banjo we knew. I don’t dislike it. I just want a proper platformer
I feel like the reason the worlds and lair are all worn down and unkempt are because Grunty and her sisters magic was probably giving power to sustain the way to enter each world. Without them occupying the space anymore the lair probably couldn't upkeep everything there that was needing magic to exist in that space and just ended up dilapidating over time.
Oh I like the magic lore part! Makes sense if it’s all held together that way
Just binge watched your channel (most of it at least lol) and subscribed, it makes me so happy to see people still talk and discuss about these games, specially Banjo, Kazooie and Tooie are my favorites of all time.
Thanks so much!!! I got tons of stuff coming still! Trying to chug out things as often as I can! More Kazooie content in the works currently as well :)
I had an itch for B-T nostalgia on this day specifically, and so the fates have deemed it.
The fates have made it so.
Bro that raapes!
I feel the earthquake from the digging machine, could've ruined the inside of an old castle.
Also, as the witches are leaving, Blobbelda says "Troops we will leave, destroy area they will!", which could explain the bridge.
Great video!
You mentioned that Tooty was on the missing poster but didn't mention Brentilda's portrait in Pawno's shop.
For the B.O.B., I wish they added a game over screen showing the machine being fully charged and Gruntilda's form restored. They had a game over cutscene for BK, why not BT?
For the Glowbos, not only are they a race of magical beings, but there's a Mega Glowbo too. I wonder if there are more Mega Glowbos out there somewhere.
Looking forward to the Conker video next!
True about Pawnos shop. He has lots of stuff from BK. Including Gruntys plushie. And I agree about the games screen!! Missed opportunity!
Just a thought, but maybe Rare thought a B.O.B. game over cutscene would be too similar to the Blast-O-Matic game over cutscene?
That would be cool. Seeing Grunty back to her original form and either satisfied or not satisfied with that outcome would be pretty funny to see
I got Tooie before Kazooie when I asked for Kazooie for Christmas. I didn't even know there was a Tooie! I was so eager to play Kazooie that I got super frustrated at the lair and was genuinely convinced that, if I got past the stones blocking access to Mumbo's Mountain, that I could play the entirety of Kazooie while playing Tooie. Cut to twenty years later and I got it on three different platforms.
As a kid I always thought that Toots was just hiding in the sofa with his eyes sticking out and not......turned to ashes😅
Ah, the innocence of youth...
@@devonm042690Then I guess I was never an innocent kid, I never considered anything other than disintegration.
Nintendo, especially Banjo games (Little bit of Mario 64) Probably forged 80% of the musical person in me by having sound tracks that fit the environment I was looking at, and even taking them and changing their tone to STILL fit the mood. Click Clock wood's four seasons, being underwater in a level, going into some kind of cave like structure and it being a xylophone type instrument. etc. etc. God-Tier music for kids to grow up on.
After you defeat Grunty you can’t go back into Bottles’ home.
It always bummed me out as it was mostly the reason you went on this adventure and can’t talk to him or his family. I just wanted to celebrate with em.
You can even soft lock the game knowing this. If you don’t activate the silos, go to the first level, type in the code to open all levels, and after obtaining the necessary moves, revive bottles, save and reset before facing Grunty, you will be stuck in Jinjo village forever.
THAT ALWAYS BUMMED ME TOO
Same here. I really don't get the point of blocking off Bottles' home, but blocking off the two rooms that take you further than the entrance to Gruntildas lair is more understandable as the N64 cartridge wouldn't have had enough storeage space, plus when playing a new game, wouldn't the player want to explore new levels?
What I'd love to see is a Banjo-Tooie mod that makes Gruntilda's Lair fully explorable again, but still have it all be in disrepair, like having all the worlds be completely empty and lifeless without Grunty's magic to sustain everything.
And you'll use abilities found in Tooie's worlds to explore the Lair.
I always assumed because we see how petty the BK cast are, what with playing kickball with Grunty's decapitated head, they just deface her lair at some point between games and maybe her sister's drill might've caused paths to cave in
I mean could be! We just never see it!
1. The enemies released by the Winkybunion sisters destroyed Gruntilda's lair. As well as other stuff in that area. It is mentioned that is what they are there for by Blobbelda.
2. B.O.B. only needed so much of a cooldown because Gruntilda was impatient and wanted to use the entire machine to suck the life force out of the entire Isle O' Hags at once requiring huge amounts of power.
Played Kazooie and now on Tooie. There are so many things that went way over my head when I played it as a 10 year old. Jolly Roger had me dying.😂😂😂
RareWare has commented about how useless characters Brentilda and Tooty were, likely causing them to lack any appearance in Banjo-Tooie (which is sad because while they weren’t the most useful, they were still kind and cool). :(
Sometimes I like think that the Mumbo Tokens are just the dead skull of a Glowbo.
(Tooie really made me like the concept of death in this series)
That’s dark but I love it
Tbh i always thought the reason she needed the entire islands energy was that she was going to get her body back, and on top of that nake herself conventially attractive like in the first game
Thanks for always putting detailed credits in your description. Loved the Stomp cam
I do my best to credit everything and everyone I can! I want people who put work and effort into things that I find helpful or useful to get the credit they deserve.
Glowbos escapes from mumbo's bag when you done using all the magic required to finish the world.
@@music10293 and they disappear after being thrown out
I've always thought that King Jingaling only got most of his life force back with a tiny portion of it being used to bring Bottles to life.
Like JINGALING aged 5 years or something so bottles could come back haha
@@jiggylookback Also why not use some of that life force to bring back the Grey Jinjo family from the dead?
@@wightman1987 yeah rip gray jinjos rip
One thing I noticed about Gruntilda's lair Is that in the opening for the game when the camera is panning down over the outside of the lair you can see there is a piece of the brim of the hat missing. Meaning it already had some damage before her sisters arrived. The color appears to be the same as it appears in the main game: brown without the Green highlights In the first game. However both eyes are intact, while In the main game one eye is missing. My theory is it was already in a state of disrepair and the sister's arrival caused it to suffer even more damage.
And I bet the reason why the worlds from the first game were blocked off was simply so they didn't have to include the rest of the lair in the game. To save space On the cartridge.
One theory I have for Mary is that she might be a bird in the same way that banjo is a bear. After all how many bears do you know that have fists?
The Biggest mystery is where is mcjiggies?
YES WHERE IS IT
4:18 I believe it was for two reasons:
1. Gruntilda's mind deteriorated and her angry as she layed trapped and decomposing underground grew exponentially releasing all the inner evil in her.
2. Its possible she didn't have the power to do such great evil before. However when she got the super weapon she was suddenly now capable of greater evil that she may have wanted to do, but never could. Come to think of it, we haven't seen much of her early life and other activities before the events of banjo 1.
I don't know which world in Banjo Tooie is my favorite I rather like em all but I definitely love the Glitter Gulch Mine because it's a lot like an old West gold mine and I love the train Chuffy
It certainly has great music
I'm gonna be that guy and say grunty industries is my favorite level lol
It’s a bit of a slog of a level but the theme is cool, the crystals got nice visual effects, and music is top-5 catchiest tracks
I always wondered how characters like gobi or boggy made it into the isle of hags from gobis valley/click clock wood and freezezy peak. Like are the bk worlds actual places that exist in the isle o hags or are they stand alone realms created by magic? I guess that's kind of similar to mario 64, are the painting worlds real or not?
Yeah for real! Is it real? Or is it a lie?
Grunty is a capitalist, no doubt about it.
So "evil hag" 100% applies
100%
I imagine the extra life force used to resurrect Bottles came from Grunty's rather hefty body. She DID head up as just a head at the end of Tooie after all.
Great content and insane production quality!
Thank you!! I work really hard on it!
Maybe originally you were supposed to go back through the lair after learning a specific move and rescue Brentilda who would give you a spell to enter in the Mayahem Temple Code Chamber. The lair might’ve also had 10 Jiggies to collect as well as I’ve always found it odd that there were only 90 in the game and some of the previews said there were 100 new Jiggies to collect. Something else odd is that even after you give him his last page Cheato still tells you to be on the lookout for more. So there are definitely some unfinished things in BT.
"just let it cook" how dare you, lmao
Lmao 🤣
Love the banjo content man. It makes my lunch breaks 100x better
I aim to make all lunch breaks everywhere better! Let’s goooooo
I think the length of time an individual has spent dead may have something to do with B.O.B.'s energy disparity. That would explain why they need so much for Grunty, she was dead for a couple years. Whereas Jingaling and Bottles were only recently expired. Just a theory, of course
That could be!
I can't believe there are people who don't like this game. It's literally better than the first one in every way, and the first one was excellent.
I agree with you! I love it
bro banjo tooie was the most perfect sequel of all time imo. the level design and the fact that they intertwine with eachother to complete quests for certain jiggies. every level had a boss battle. the industrial like design of certain parts of the worlds, the music, the 4th wall breaking dialogue, character designs, and mild not too hard not too easy difficulty, and now you had fire eggs, ice eggs, grenade eggs, and remote fucking control mini kazooie eggs. man everything about this game was perfect to me especially as a kid. and my only wish is that i had more of this game just as it was but in a 3rd installment. nuts and bolts was the biggest let down because it took everything great about the first 2 and made a basic xbox 360 game with no soul.
If we had gotten that mythical Banjo Threeie on GameCube it would have been incredible.
Honestly would be really cool if we got a proper Banjo Threeie and they made it look like the 64 game so we had a cohesive retro looking trilogy
@@jiggylookback oh yes for sure. we may never get that gem for as long as we live. but we could dream hahaha
Man I hope this comes to NSO soon
I miss BT so much. Glad I get to play BK again, but it's been over a decade since I played BT last.
I hope it does too
You forgot about the bridge in Quagmire 😢
Keep the great content!!!
Did I forget? Or is there potential for a part two…
I was so excited to go up there with the “press L to levitate” GameShark code. Too bad nothing was up there
I've always believed that is supposed to be a secret station to chuffy to go to, and that the switch is very hidden..
A small detail. Like with Humba Wumba, whenever you use Mumbo's magic pad for the first time in each world, you'll see the Glowbo pop out of his bag and disappear much like with Humba's pool.
Ah I knew I wasn’t just imagining I remembered that
I thought so but I was going through my footage and it’s so much trying to find a section of Mumbo using his magic the first time and shows the glowbo annoyed me so I just didn’t highlight it. Thanks for clarifying!
The glowbos don’t die, their magic gets drained and it looks like they get defeated. But if they’re magical, they can revitalize themselves. Mumbai and humba wumba won’t rely so heavily on their magic power on these creatures if it was only one use and done
Well I mean we do have to find one in every level. Maybe it’s a more in depth question than I thought.
At this point Banjo-Threeie should be a big rom hack using Banjo-Kazooie & Banjo-Tooie game designs while making the third game original
We missed out on what would have been an amazing trilogy of Banjo games
Yeah I am totally in agreement!
They should make a Tootie-threeie with Tootie as the main character back from college looking for where Banjo and Kazooie have disappeared to
That actually would be amazing lol
I think Canary Mary is supposed to be a Harpy, a half-bird/woman creature from Greek Mythology. They are apperantly wind spirits or "Hounds of Zeus" which could explain why Mary hangs out in Cloud Cuckooland. They are also guardians of the underworld and torment people which is self explanatory.
Freaking love this.
From what I've heard, apparently Banjo-Threeie got transformed into Nuts and Bots.
I've never played Nuts and Bolts, but apparently the giant stages that have lots of empty areas are evidence that it was going to be the 3rd entry in the Collectathon Platformer series, before being recycled into the racing game. Also the intro does have you collecting items, but only to make fun of it.
The game that was ultimately made, Nuts and Bolts, is a racing game, different genre, so is obviously a spinoff. Too bad Rare / Microsoft thought the Genre was dead...
Yeah basically. I did a retrospective on it not long ago! You should check it out. I went over some of the history
One of the devs said on twitter that the whole "Threeie" tease was actually meant to be a Joke, but like... come on... 1. You don't tease a sequel at the end of the first game and then do it again in the second game only to say "oh that was a joke" after you set precedent, and 2. Jokes are supposed to be funny.
I hope we get Banjo Threeie but i'm honestly not sure I'd trust the current Rare to make it.
That’s really lame. Tho I mean..they were working on it. Banjo X on GameCube because Nuts and Bolts on 360.
Canary Mary seems like she hangs out with Rickety Cricket
Lol that she does!! Freaking Cricket. Makes me want to tell her to shut up bird!
Also, Conker 2 but half those people are part of an indie company with Chris Seaver, who regrets some of the jokes from Bad Fur Day
I love this channel though I only discovered it in the last week...it feels so much like old school UA-cam.
Thank you so much! The highest of compliments!
Gruntilda has an import/export shipyard...sounds like she must be a colleague of Art Vandelay
Gruntilda probably wanted to get her old goal back again by getting a bunch of life to Make her alive and to be beautiful
Ahhh yes. Makes sense why stop at just her old body! Assuming that’s what it would do. It may just make her more powerful which is still a good reason
Awesome channel dude, subbed!
@@danieldrz heck yeah!!! Happy to have ya!
@ Keep it up! So much nostalgia for this millennial 🙏🏻
Love your content mate keep it coming!
Thank you!! :)
If only they could make a Tooty and Dixie Kong game in which they work together to rescue Banjo and Diddy Kong.
A tag team game like that across franchises would be sweet! Let’s forget saving Banjo or Diddy let’s just have em Rage against the enemies haha
Great video! Now make another with more analysis and theory about each one!
King Jingalings pet is toots from BK, I didn't realize the snaker charmer had a pet lol, but I remember it from the character parade, and found it on youtube and confirmed it. I guess you can tell which one I played more lmfao.
Haha awesome!
I did initially picture the whole islands life force being drained as a game over video.
The developers didn't have enough children. No Banjo Treeie
Just gave this video its 1000th like, which was incredibly satisfying.
Holy crap that is awesome
The biggest mystery is: Where's the last Jinjo/Jiggy?
[Who let my childhood self take control of this account...?] Banjo Tooie was another key N64 title for encouraging exploration for me alongside its predecessor.
That’s what this is my nostalgic childhood coming out 😂😂 and all of ours apparently
I feel like the whole "rubbish video game character police" quip was just Gregg Mayles selling out his ex-Rare fellows at Microsoft. Just like the new art style and gameplay in Nuts and Bolts. He really got too big for his britches after the sale from Nintendo.
All depends on when that was said. I don’t know when that quote was made. I imagine not long after Tooies release but could be later
@@jiggylookback I remember. It was from an FAQ on the Nuts and Bolts promotional website leading up to launch. Yeah, I'm an old fart.
@@Mnemoniforma9.00 it’s ok I’m older then I seem 😂 I couldn’t even remember what it was from
Awesome video! It is funny as I had many of these same questions when I first played Banjo-Tooie as a kid, especially regarding the fate of Tooty and Bentilda after Kazooie.
6:40 I've been wondering this for decades and was going to mention it if you didn't already. I'm also curious if there ever will be a complete remaster of Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie much like Crash and Spyro received a few years ago.
Yeah we need this. The world needs it
As a kid I thought there was a way into the rest of Grunty's lair because how else would we get that egg in Treasure Trove Cove?
It would have been amazing
I have a theory with Tooty that the sisters unalived her by stealing her life force. This is how Banjo was able to revive both Bottles (who did not have his life force taken) and King Jinjo.
One of my favorite games. Excellent video, as usual. :)
Thanks for watching :)
@@jiggylookback No problem. :)
Also the pet just died from the BOB firing. His eyeballs are on the sofa.
Edit: Nevermind they’re alive woo!
Oh it died? I always thought he was hiding in the cushions
@@LilyEmbargo That's how I always viewed it
@@LilyEmbargo That’s what kid me told myself after being utterly horrified by the opening up to that point. But then you can see a charred space on the couch where his eyes are if I remember right
Nah the eyes blink, it’s alive.
@@Scrubber89 Really? Maybe it is just peeking out. That would be nice
Ppl shit on tooie and i agree its not perfect but god damn it its got some rich world building, a shame Nintendo sold it
Canary Mary is one of the weirdest characters I’ve ever seen in a game.
Also, she really is Satan. Her rematch in Cloud cuckooland can go to hell.
Also, the real mystery is why we never got a third game. Agreed, nuts and bolts doesn’t count.
Looking forward to your next video man!
Thanks so much! Lol I’m glad we can all gather around Canary Mary 😂
In an alternate universe we got banjo threeie
You correctly noticed glowbos fly off and disappear once you jump in Wumba’s pool, I think I remember that they jump out of Mumbo’s bag the first time you activate a Mumbo Magic pad too
Seems like they do tho I couldn’t find a clip of it. I assumed so
lol love the dino math! 😃
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How many more dam years have I got to wait for banjo threeie to be made I couldn't care if it was the same graphics as n64
I actually would love that lol
Perhaps grunty wants an excess of energy to make herself pretty.
When I was younger I could’ve sworn they said in game what happens to the glowbos, but I guess my kid brain was just filling in the gaps. Anyways I thought that Wumba used to keep them as little pets while Mumbo would use them to make tasty soup.
I don’t remember that but I like the idea of them being pets more haha
Don’t forget, there is a Banjo Kazooie game for the Gameboy Advance.
There are two 😎
well it wasn't banjo three but there was a game for the GBA thad worked as a prequel for Banjo-tooie named "Banjo-Kazooie Gruntys Revenge" where grunty before her sisters arrive goes back in time to prevent her downfall.
@@93Hexer yes! I will cover the gba titles in the future :)
I like to think that the life force given to Bottles was somehow taken from George and Mildred. I have no way of proving it, but it certainly feels in line with how the games treat those two.
So dark lol
But you can save Bottles without killing the ice cubes
+1 for Conker!
Here's a mystery why is Canary Mary second race in Cuckoo Land so unfair
That’s a great mystery
3:23 LMFAOOO So fucking accurate
Thank you another great video!
Thank you for watching!!
1: So people don't re explore the old places. The N64 also doesn't have infinite space to work with.
2: Reused assets. The devs liked the creature so they gave the king it as a pet.
3: They did what they needed to in the first game. They were no longer necessary for Tooie. And yeah, the devs also confirmed that they did not like those characters.
4: Having a bad guy with so many talents makes you fear them more.
5: Orrrrr... The gas was as dangerous as radioactiveness. Or the devs couldn't think of a better character design for her. How do you make a bird look like a grandma?
6: Because the devs needed to give the player time.
7: Or maybe the devs wanted to not make them look like literal jiggys. I doubt you can do much animation with a jiggy lol.
8: Get the model from the game and take a look at it? We are no longer in 2003.
9: If you payed attention, once Mumbo casts a spell, the Glowbo jumps out and walks away. So no, the devs show that they don't die.
10: Banjo Threeie is Nuts and Bolts. Don't like it? Too bad.
People like Shooters more than senseless collectathons. -L.O.G
My answers are always going to be different than “the devs designed it that way.” Lol
I like to add some creativity and explore this lore and contemplate in game explanations for things.
In "character parade" the King Jingaling's pet is named "toots".
DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNNN
Freakin' spectacular game. I spent years of my childhood playing this game and it was time well spent 🥲