I've been running the GT fatty for several years, When I started using it I just really liked it more than anything else I had used and never tried anything different. IMO when it starts to slide it's super predictable and you can correct out of it. With that said I did a ride on my new 300 on the stock Dunlops and was really paranoid at first and kind of figured them out. OK, not the worst tire, running with a tube at maybe 12 psi (non-tubliss paranoia there) then swapped for a nitro mousse and Bridgestone x31,which is supposedly an improved version of the much loved M59 that so many stick with. Probably will try the IRC on the 450 when the GT wears out. One thing the GT does being so fat is climb ruts, some times it's very noticeable. And yeah the Stinko Fatty is knob chunking garbage. That's universal except for that one guy.
Yup the GT fatty is really happy to climb out of ruts. Thats why I swapped mine out. Had still some life in it but some of the local tracs are pretty much a kilometers long rut so I needed something that would stay in it a bit better. Running the Michelin enduro medium 90/90 now and happy with that.
The standard Shinko 216 MX Fatty front is from a mold that Goldentyre used to sell as the Desert Race Edition tire. It’s horrible. But dudes are thinking they are getting an inexpensive GT216. What they are really getting is a heavy front with an odd rubber compound made from a tire mold GT discontinued. Not a copy of the standard GT216. The Shinko 216 Fatty Cheater is much, much better. It’s pretty popular here in PA. I like Michelin Enduro Medium 90/100.
@@onthethrottle7104 Thanks. One more thing, the standard Shinko 216MX fatty tears knobs off. The Cheater version of it doesn’t. It’s a gummy compound front. A lot of my bros like it because it will stick good on rocks and roots. But it is pretty soft sidewall so I wouldn’t recommend for high speed riding with a lot of precise cornering. On icky single track it’s at home.
@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 We need you to do a tire review for us; you have some amazing knowledge. I've tried so many tires I'm confused on which one I really like overall.
@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 Both my brother and myself run the 216MX and have found them to be the most confidence inspiring rubber yet . Horses for courses I guess.
@@jamesdenton3692 Yeah man. Front tires are real personal preference. I can get along with most any rear tire, but if I have a front I don’t like. 😡 😂👍
I agree on the Shinko 216. Garbage! Might even be worse than the AT81? The Goldentyre isn't bad though. Longest lasting tire I've tried. I personally like the Bridgestone X31 the best for the rocks in Montana. Works great like the M59 but lasts pretty well. The 90/100 is much smaller than the Goldentyre and it doesn't climb out of single track ruts like the GT.
Can you weigh the two IRC tires? I'm very curious to see how much they weigh. I'm currently running the Kenda Knarly front in a 90/90 with tubliss. I love how it absorbs bumps on rocky terrain. It suffers in fast grass track though. The IRC may be a suitable replacement.
Curious what your complaints are with the AT81? I ran my stock one out and had no real complaints with it in the PNW. I was just at a class last weekend put on by Megs Brap and she actually recommended the AT81. I'm currently running a 220Ride 90/90-21 semi-gummy front. Even though it's a 90/90, it is dimensionally the same as the stock AT81 was. Don't have a ton of time on it yet, but so far I'm liking it a lot. Did great in Odessa on the Ironman, and on Idaho single track last weekend. Thanks for the great videos! Always glad to see new ones from you.
Maybe it’s just a “feel” thing, but I didn’t gel with the at81 front. It felt like it was going to wash out at any time, so for me it just wasn’t a confidence-inspiring tire. IMO, front tires are more about feel and confidence than outright performance anyway. So go with one that gives you both of those and you’ll do fine. 👍
@racesla The AT81 EX is only a rear tire. They don't make the front in an EX version. In the class I was at, I was referencing her discussion on front tires. I think she said she had run the EX rear, and said it was pretty good.
@@rehepeks hmm. They must have dropped it then, as they don't list out as an option. They have RC and EX versions of the rear listed, but only one front.
Great review, thanks for posting! I swapped the OEM AT81F on my KTM 300 XC-W when it was due, for a Bridgestone M59. Have about 40 hours on it so far, and am loving it. Any thoughts on the new AT82F?
Interesting, I'm not a huge fan of the 90/90 vx30. I found it to have a predictable slide before it grabbed. I've also ran the mx216 in 80/100 and I like it alot in sand but that's about it. The at81 front is bad 😅
It’s good! For $70, it’s great. It’s maybe 90-95% performance compared to the JX8. JX8 is a little better in the slimy, slick, wet rocks and roots. I have about 20hrs on it and it’s holding up very well - wear seems about even with the JX8. Took it off to try the Michelin Xtrem. Once I’m done with that, I’ll do a rear tire roundup/review.
The Michelin tires are used a lot in pro hard enduro because they have to use them, it's a rule (you have to use FIM approved tires). There are only a few FIM approved tires and it has to do with sponsor money.
There are lots of FIM tires, Goldentyre, Mitas, Bridgestone, Kenda has some, Xgrip, Metzeler. You might be surprised which “pros” are buying their tires, and they still choose Michelin.
@@WASemiHardEnduro No doubt they are an amazing tire, but are also one of the tires you have to use due to FIM enduro rules. Graham Jarvis stated putting a trials tire on an enduro bike is the absolute best tire you can ride, except for mud. But FIM rules will not allow a trials tire. Anyway, Michelin tires are expensive and don't last long at all. At least where I ride.
What size nitro mousse do you run in the VX30? I have two old ones with maybe 5 hours. 1 NM21-220 and NM21-235. Don’t know if I should go larger to accommodate future shrinkage
I don’t run Tubliss in the front, I don’t see the point. But the VX40 is definitely the most flexible carcass of all the fronts I mentioned in this vid.
Been running IRC tires for 2 years now. Just took off my vx30 after 20 hours. How do you like the 90 profile versus the 80. I’m in New England with wet rocks and roots too.
I haven’t tried the VX30 in a 80/100, but I generally like the 90/90 profile better on a two stroke. Maybe on a four stroke I’d like a 80/100 to help it steer just a bit quicker.
Do you recall how the Talon pairs with that VX30? I have a VX30 in the cart with a Talon close behind. Want to hear your thoughts since we ride the same stuff.
I like the VX30 front with all the rears Ive tested. The Talon is great for the price, but lacks a little compared to the JX8 in really wet slimy stuff. But overall still good for the price.
Love these short informational videos
Thanks for explaining the difference between the VX30 and VX40. I've been on the 40 for awhile and want to try 30 for reasons you mentioned (mud).
I shredded the outside knobs clear off the front of 3 v30’s in a row.
On my 4th vx30. Haven’t shed a single knob yet.
@ sweet stick with it I’m still back in the stock six days got an x31 to try and some tusk I haven’t had.
I want to try the vx30 in a 90/90. Been really enjoying the m5b evo front.
I've been running the GT fatty for several years, When I started using it I just really liked it more than anything else I had used and never tried anything different. IMO when it starts to slide it's super predictable and you can correct out of it. With that said I did a ride on my new 300 on the stock Dunlops and was really paranoid at first and kind of figured them out. OK, not the worst tire, running with a tube at maybe 12 psi (non-tubliss paranoia there) then swapped for a nitro mousse and Bridgestone x31,which is supposedly an improved version of the much loved M59 that so many stick with. Probably will try the IRC on the 450 when the GT wears out. One thing the GT does being so fat is climb ruts, some times it's very noticeable. And yeah the Stinko Fatty is knob chunking garbage. That's universal except for that one guy.
Yup the GT fatty is really happy to climb out of ruts. Thats why I swapped mine out. Had still some life in it but some of the local tracs are pretty much a kilometers long rut so I needed something that would stay in it a bit better. Running the Michelin enduro medium 90/90 now and happy with that.
I have not tried the vs 30, best tire I've run for wet slick roots is the Pirelli mt-16.
The standard Shinko 216 MX Fatty front is from a mold that Goldentyre used to sell as the Desert Race Edition tire. It’s horrible. But dudes are thinking they are getting an inexpensive GT216. What they are really getting is a heavy front with an odd rubber compound made from a tire mold GT discontinued. Not a copy of the standard GT216.
The Shinko 216 Fatty Cheater is much, much better. It’s pretty popular here in PA. I like Michelin Enduro Medium 90/100.
Interesting, good stuff dadenduro.
@@onthethrottle7104 Thanks. One more thing, the standard Shinko 216MX fatty tears knobs off. The Cheater version of it doesn’t. It’s a gummy compound front. A lot of my bros like it because it will stick good on rocks and roots. But it is pretty soft sidewall so I wouldn’t recommend for high speed riding with a lot of precise cornering. On icky single track it’s at home.
@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 We need you to do a tire review for us; you have some amazing knowledge. I've tried so many tires I'm confused on which one I really like overall.
@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 Both my brother and myself run the 216MX and have found them to be the most confidence inspiring rubber yet . Horses for courses I guess.
@@jamesdenton3692 Yeah man. Front tires are real personal preference. I can get along with most any rear tire, but if I have a front I don’t like. 😡 😂👍
I agree on the Shinko 216. Garbage! Might even be worse than the AT81? The Goldentyre isn't bad though. Longest lasting tire I've tried. I personally like the Bridgestone X31 the best for the rocks in Montana. Works great like the M59 but lasts pretty well. The 90/100 is much smaller than the Goldentyre and it doesn't climb out of single track ruts like the GT.
The X31 is next on my list to try!
Can you weigh the two IRC tires? I'm very curious to see how much they weigh. I'm currently running the Kenda Knarly front in a 90/90 with tubliss. I love how it absorbs bumps on rocky terrain. It suffers in fast grass track though. The IRC may be a suitable replacement.
I had the shinko 216 chubby on my KTM 530 and it's the worst front tire I've used. I couldn't get predictable grip anywhere on that thing.
Curious what your complaints are with the AT81? I ran my stock one out and had no real complaints with it in the PNW. I was just at a class last weekend put on by Megs Brap and she actually recommended the AT81.
I'm currently running a 220Ride 90/90-21 semi-gummy front. Even though it's a 90/90, it is dimensionally the same as the stock AT81 was. Don't have a ton of time on it yet, but so far I'm liking it a lot. Did great in Odessa on the Ironman, and on Idaho single track last weekend.
Thanks for the great videos! Always glad to see new ones from you.
Maybe it’s just a “feel” thing, but I didn’t gel with the at81 front. It felt like it was going to wash out at any time, so for me it just wasn’t a confidence-inspiring tire.
IMO, front tires are more about feel and confidence than outright performance anyway. So go with one that gives you both of those and you’ll do fine. 👍
I believe Megs recommends the AT81 EX, very different tire.
@racesla The AT81 EX is only a rear tire. They don't make the front in an EX version. In the class I was at, I was referencing her discussion on front tires. I think she said she had run the EX rear, and said it was pretty good.
@@scarsman There is EX for front as well. My friend had 80/100/21 AT81 EX on the front.
@@rehepeks hmm. They must have dropped it then, as they don't list out as an option. They have RC and EX versions of the rear listed, but only one front.
Great review, thanks for posting! I swapped the OEM AT81F on my KTM 300 XC-W when it was due, for a Bridgestone M59. Have about 40 hours on it so far, and am loving it. Any thoughts on the new AT82F?
I've been wanting to try the new AT82 front, especially in 90/100, but for $110 I lean towards another VX30 for $68
Interesting, I'm not a huge fan of the 90/90 vx30. I found it to have a predictable slide before it grabbed. I've also ran the mx216 in 80/100 and I like it alot in sand but that's about it. The at81 front is bad 😅
Just subbed for the brutal riding you do! With that how come you don’t use a front disc guard? Especially w the riding you do
My new bike has one… but I’ve never really needed it.
Any update on your review of the Talon ?
It’s good! For $70, it’s great. It’s maybe 90-95% performance compared to the JX8. JX8 is a little better in the slimy, slick, wet rocks and roots. I have about 20hrs on it and it’s holding up very well - wear seems about even with the JX8. Took it off to try the Michelin Xtrem. Once I’m done with that, I’ll do a rear tire roundup/review.
Awesome comparison. Do you buy them locally? What mousse are you running in the front? Thanks
I usually get ‘em from RMATV. Currently have a nitro platinum in there, but will be switching to SRT once it wears out.
@@WASemiHardEnduro why SRT?
Tired of poor quality control from nuetec. Keep getting mousses that are shrunken or oversized. SRT seems better so far (I have one of theirs).
The Michelin tires are used a lot in pro hard enduro because they have to use them, it's a rule (you have to use FIM approved tires). There are only a few FIM approved tires and it has to do with sponsor money.
There are lots of FIM tires, Goldentyre, Mitas, Bridgestone, Kenda has some, Xgrip, Metzeler. You might be surprised which “pros” are buying their tires, and they still choose Michelin.
@@WASemiHardEnduro No doubt they are an amazing tire, but are also one of the tires you have to use due to FIM enduro rules. Graham Jarvis stated putting a trials tire on an enduro bike is the absolute best tire you can ride, except for mud. But FIM rules will not allow a trials tire. Anyway, Michelin tires are expensive and don't last long at all. At least where I ride.
For all around use I still like the Pirelli MT21. Good wear and very predictable.
No m59 love?
What size nitro mousse do you run in the VX30? I have two old ones with maybe 5 hours. 1 NM21-220 and NM21-235. Don’t know if I should go larger to accommodate future shrinkage
I think it’s a very very old 235 that I’m running (it probably has 300 hours on it). A new 235 would be too big though.
How is the lean angle traction?
How do these perform in wet conditions on rocks, roots and mud?
That’s what the whole video was in reference to - performance in typical PNW terrain.
What pressure do you run in the VX30 front?
I run a mousse
Does the vx40 front tire have a stiff enough sidewall for tubeless usage?
I don’t run Tubliss in the front, I don’t see the point. But the VX40 is definitely the most flexible carcass of all the fronts I mentioned in this vid.
How do they compare to Bridgestone m59 or x31 fronts?
I haven’t run the Bridgestones
X31 ftw
What🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ x31 good☝️
Been running IRC tires for 2 years now. Just took off my vx30 after 20 hours.
How do you like the 90 profile versus the 80.
I’m in New England with wet rocks and roots too.
I haven’t tried the VX30 in a 80/100, but I generally like the 90/90 profile better on a two stroke. Maybe on a four stroke I’d like a 80/100 to help it steer just a bit quicker.
Do you recall how the Talon pairs with that VX30?
I have a VX30 in the cart with a Talon close behind. Want to hear your thoughts since we ride the same stuff.
I like the VX30 front with all the rears Ive tested. The Talon is great for the price, but lacks a little compared to the JX8 in really wet slimy stuff. But overall still good for the price.
At81 front is a great tire.
Compared to what? 😂
@@WASemiHardEnduro Mx33 f, m59, Kenda hard enduro
@@chadrides914 #unpopularopinion for sure, but go with whatever works for you 👍
@@WASemiHardEnduro pretty sure CHAD is just trolling with his ridiculous comment
No