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#starfield #bethesda #skyrim - Ігри
I think the truth of Bethesda is that Skyrim as a revolutionary game was probably more akin to dumb luck than actual competency. All of their games succeeding Skyrim prove this to be true. They happened to have a great idea that revolutionized gaming. No further great ideas or innovation has come from Bethesda.
I think Oblivion and Fallout 3 really gave them a running start into console game spheres, so when they released Skyrim (and sought to simplify the RPG mechanics to allow for more mainstream appeal) it was sorta meant to be!
I’m not entirely sure which aspects of Skyrim people feel so clung to, and why. I may need to watch a video essay regarding the topic, ideally from someone who isn’t monotone and isn’t 9 hours long lol
I just need someone excitable to tell me WHY it’s good lol
Anyway anyway, I certainly do think their luck has elapsed for certain!
Thanks for the comment, and happy new year Ysla! 🎉😊🎉😊
Skyrim sucks.. I cant even replay it. Oblivion and morrowind I can.. Skyrim feels like an Ubisoft game
@johnnyflannigan136 I wholeheartedly agree. I became disillusioned by Skyrim's lack of design a year and a half after launch day. For all the things I liked, there were 3 I disliked, and it eventually broke me away from Bethesda. Now I only play FO3, NV, and Oblivion and Morrowind. Since I already own them, and they were designed well, I can play them still with copious mods. Skyrim I cannot play even with full overhauls and retrofits. Bethesda backstabbed me. Fuck Bethesda and their incompetence. That would be okay if they were akin to Sega like that. But they're not just stupid, they're also arrogant and prideful. They're so full of themselves, from the executive heads all the way to the QA.
You know, now that I think about it, I've never completed a Bethesda game before or since Fallout 3. It's not that I didn't have fun, I just never find the main story to be compelling enough to get through it.
Edit: Does New Vegas count? I just realized I have beaten it too.
@@johnnyflannigan136 god I love Oblivion lmao Jenk and all ^^
the astronaut argument has got to be the saddest and most embarrassing thing ive ever seen posted by a game developer. whoever came up with that response should never be able to work in PR ever again
I have tons of little random things that pop in my head across the entirety of my life, and I gotta be honest with you.
“The astronauts who went to space went to empty planets, and they sure weren’t bored” might be the single funniest thing I’ve ever heard in my life lmao
Reminds me of Bethesdas Canvas Bag controversy with FO76. “We know you’re disappointed that the canvas bag we promised you, is cheap thin plastic. However, we plan to do nothing about it. Thanks for reaching out”
Actually solid gold content lmao
Thanks for your comment btw! Hope the new year treats you well friend :)
Probably AI generated answers xD it wouldn't surprise me one bit at this point.
@@skitkjell85 dude it’s GOT to be lmao
Who in their right mind even lmao!
But that astronaut response did come from God Todd's mouth so....
The messed up thing is that no planet is truly empty because no matter where you land random buildings would be generated near you every time sprinkled with a ship that always happens to land as soon as you exit your ship. So even if there are people that want to experience the loneliness as described in their PR statement they can't, it's not there. Instead there is something much worse: copy pasted buildings that you've already seen a dozen times keep following you wherever you go like a nightmare that you can't escape. Truly one of the games.
My appreciation for Mass Effect and Bioware went through the roof after I played starfield.
We need more Mass Effect ;~;
Thanks for the comment dude! Hope the new year treats you well! :)
Starfield will never have a No Man's Sky redemption arc because Bethesda is _not_ Hello Games.
That's true! But let us not forget, Hello Games was a DIRTY word before they redeemed themselves. People HATED them, but we hadn't seen what their ethics were and the sort of people they could be.
While I agree Bethesda is maybe a little too big to have a similar "scrappy appeal", I do think strategically, making good by the fanbase is what they NEED to do. Otherwise, the video title is what it is, at least in my eyes!
Thanks for the comment buddy! Happy new year :)
Used to be Bethesda fanboy, Fallout 76 was a big disappointment for me, but I thought that's just once of a long time. Starfield is the turning point, not only because of the quality, but the shameless lies after lies, so sick of this company now.
Horse Armor being the first instance of DLC, Rewriting the history on Fallout after purchasing the rights to it, blocking Obsidian (creators of Fallout, and makers of New Vegas) from working on a follow up since they made them look bad while ALSO denying them pay bonuses for missing the average reviews benchmark by ONE POINT…
Like my god, they’ve just piled on their bad juju. Everybody has their own reason to being sour towards Bethesda, and with 76 leading right into Starfield…I really do get why it’s in the spot it’s in right now :/
Thanks for your comment friend, appreciate you for checking the video out! Hope you have a solid new year! 🎉😊
Wow you are sick of a video game company's shameless lies because of two games it made. I understand your sentiments but I will say that it's quite the emotional reaction bro. Many gamers such as myself buy games and get disappointed. At times the games are shit other times the games are good.
With shit games we speak our minds and move. But if you react this way to video games you bought for 100 or so bucks eg hating a video game conpany im trying to imagine how you react to more serious shit In day to day life. Your life is gonna be hell of a roller coaster bro.
I'm with you. Talk to the CUSTOMERS like they're idiots. Welll I AM. For buying their games all these years thinking they'll improve, innovate, apply lessons learned, yeah right. Won't be making that mistake again...ever. Happy New Year to ya.
@@kenmck7802 The best thing to do is buy a game and rate it nice if you like it or rate it poorly if you don't like it. Your not the only one that bought the game and was very disappointed or found it to be shitty. What I don't understand is people making a 2 hour video why spider man is shitty or a 30 minute video why starfield is shitty...I just don't get the intensity of the reaction to a video game. That's my point. If it is shitty it is shitty if its OK its OK. Cyber punk was very shitty upon release. I heard devs at cd projekt red got death threats and they were sued as well. Any way maybe I'm coping but I just don't get the emotionality over video games.
@@kenmck7802 @kenmck7802 aaaaaaaah now I know why. You tube content creators need to make relevant content on trending topics. So if something people loving to hate and they make a video of it they can profit from reigniting the hate. That's the only explanation I have for a 1 hour video on how spider man 2 is buggy and sucks and talking about how a game sucks for 4 months in a row.
I'm personally wondering if Starfield will be the watershed moment that makes people look back on Bethesda as a whole and realize that their design philosophy hasn't changed much since Oblivion, warts and all.
That’s a brilliant point, and it’s undeniably going to be the case! We already have people psychoanalyzing why they enjoy what aspects of Starfield are actually competent and fun, which is one degree of separation from “Hasn’t this exact sort of Bethesda mechanic been fun since…like 2004?”
Thanks for the comment and checking the video out buddy! Hope you have a solid New Year! 🎉😊
@@arkyUS_YT Personally I'm looking at the issues that Starfield supposedly has (haven't played it, don't want to).
I've put a lot of time in Skyrim, Oblivion and Fallout 3 over the years and while I did enjoy them to varying degrees, the issues in Starfield - cut/paste environments, bland plotlines, diluted mechanics - are all over those games as well. And it seems like to me at least, that many people at the time, just gave them a pass.
But now with 76 and Starfield, I'm seeing more people looking back on these games with a fine-tooth comb. And I'm wondering if the bubble will burst.
Happy New Years to you too mate. Have a good one.
@@stevenguitink5947 Personal anecdote, but I’d say some of the best times I had with Starfield were centered around the fantasy of what I was doing, and not the experiences I was having.
Open loot systems like Bethesda games of the past, fused with weapon crafting and skill upgrades while being this space captain who lands at locations he needs to be and make deals/trades with people he needs to as passive errands was the most fun I had in Starfield.
But it’s a farce. Between every beat of that experience, I was in and out of menus and waiting at load screens. They were brief (which makes me wonder why they couldn’t have been hidden (part of me wants to make another video about this later talking about my theory that the Series S is at fault for MANY decisions in this game)), but they ultimately served to take away from the fantasy I was living while playing the game. Issue is, after a couple dozen hours, you can’t see passed those issues, and the game will sour the longer you stick by it if your tolerance for BS is low.
Ultimately you’re not missing much. I doubt they’ll let the game stay as it is, and modders will certainly evolve it into something as compelling as it could have been, so waiting for a deep sale might be the best move.
I do stand by getting the branded Xbox controller though. My GOD that thing is beautiful, and might be the most complete thing about Starfield launch lol
Have a good one dude, thanks for sharing your perspectives :)
For me it cleared it all up, though just back till F3 as I forgot about how similar Oblivion was too.
Also realized how much wider and thinner the Pool became over the years. As I realized the game fell appart with fewer and fewer replays, as now starfield really fell appart (from what little I enjoyed it) the moment I started a 2nd playthrough/NG+.
Honestly, their design approach hasn't even changed since Morrowind. They just found what was a winning formula at the time, and instead of meaningfully pushing the boundaries of it forward, simply copied and pasted it, while removing and over-simplifying features therewithin. It's a strategy that is effective on new players and people who aren't used to the formula (i.e., who haven't played BGS games before), but once you understand how the formula works, it grows stale/tired very quickly because of how little innovation has occurred.
I've been gaming since the 80's and I'm really falling out with the major game developers over the years, like EA and Rockstar for example. They used to make good games. They respected the players and gave you a finished product and a good value for your money. Somewhere along the way, they've become unscrupulously greedy. They take our money and give us unfinished games infested with bugs and boring writing. They create toxic multiplayer environments to sell shark cards and sue their fanbase for making mods. Now, every time players give negative feedback, developers respond by insulting them. I don't need to be a chef to know this dish is undercooked Bethesda.
I grew up through the 90's and 00's with my Dreamcast, N64, and Gameboy so I know what you mean :/ Such a farcry from where we once stood. On the brightside, the industry has gotten so big, that while mainstream type titles greedily beg for handouts, tons of smaller projects/indie pick up the slack due to platform and publishing rights being so easy to obtain now!
Future give us good, future give us REAL bad haha
Thanks for the comment buddy! Happy new year :)
" Somewhere along the way, they've become unscrupulously greedy."
That was basically right around the time they realized pre-orders can secure sales, even if the back lash afterward is significant. The Kickstarter and Indie boom only took off the way it did, because people could see the writing on the wall. Whats sad is that we thought 2013 was the worst the AAA industry had ever been...... the bottom is still too far down to see.
Rockstar got rid of the Houser brothers so the writing went to disaster. EA is always going to make bank with Madden games and that sort of trite gaming. Whereas Bethesda took an arrow to the knee, saw how modders could potentially save their games, and here we are now. Starfield feels like a wax museum with a pulse whilst Cyberpunk (in its revised form) feels akin to a dystopian city with so much to do.
Same . Just want good games that's all . Like just do your job for my money . Isn't that the point . No love in gaming
I played several hours of Starfield but just couldn’t keep going (I did play HUNDREDS of hours of Oblivion, Skyrim, and FO4). To me, Starfield was like this: imagine if Bethesda completely removed the over-world of Skyrim and you’re left just fast-traveling from city to city.
Very well put! The exploration was torn apart, and left as a menu leading to places with NOTHING worth exploring.
I hope they can pull a No Man Sky or Cyberpunk on this project, but considering reputation has always come second to money with them…I just don’t know if they’re willing to make the statement of goodwill, and right this ship.
Thanks for your comment btw! Hope the new year is treating you well :D
Yep, the game is completely lacking the immersion that Skyrim and FO4 had, and then all of the QOL issues that make the game unfun from poor vendors to sell loot and mats from mining, to the cubersome skill tree, and slow leveling to unlock much needed QOL.
@@arkyUS_YT I am skeptical that they will fix Starfield like they did with FO76 since it not a live service or MMO like FO76. FO76 gave them incentive to fix it whereas Starfield is single player game. Then you add bad lead dev like Emil and bad damage control with steam reviews. It feels like pulling teeth to get them to put in features that should of been present from launch day like DLSS. Turns out out most of their PC players use Intel and Nvidia cards and not AMD like most PC gamers.
As an elite dangerous and no man's sky fan, I couldn't care less about the large empty spaces. In fact, i love games like that. The thing that kind of kills that aspect though is all the menuing to travel around. I wish it was more seamless, even if not completely connected like no mans sky.
Dude yes! I was streaming and learning NMS before Starfield was out, and was unbelievably excited to see what a Bethesda-fied version of NMS would be like!
The lack of seamless travel, ship controls, and being hard locked to 500km squares just…RUINS the point of it being a space faring game, and it sucks.
I can understand if that wasn’t the sort of game they wanted to make, but how on earth was 4 menu clicks and 2 cutscenes to get to a planet in the design document.
If we had the comfy and casual NMS experience, fused with randomized (WAY more than we have now) buildings, points of interest, side quests etc on planets…phew! Game of the decade dude lol
Here’s hoping something pans out!
Thanks for your comment btw! Happy new year :)
@@arkyUS_YT I LOVED Skyrim, but HATED the loading screens. Then imagine seeing the Storefailed reviews after waiting 12 years. Lesser scopes are acceptable, egregious lack of seamlessness isn't. It's the one feature an OW-game should have imo.
The empty spaces in No Man's Sky still gave me a sense of wonder; which is a sensation that was missing in Starfield with their empty spaces.
Bethesda: When the astronauts landed on the moon, they weren't bored.
That is because it was one small step for man and one giant leap for mankind. The astronauts landed on the first celestial body that humanity has looked up at wonder for centuries and they were glad that they were the first (and hopefully not the last) and didn't care if it was barren since it gave humanity hope that there is so much out there, also it took place in the year 1969. Starfield takes place in the year 2330, and despite all the spaceships Bethesda didn't bother to add vehicles or make the settlement and cultures more diverse. I'm surprised the English language is still around and hasn't changed into something different (don't get me started on the fashion). The future just looks bland and generic.
Such awesome points though! We’ve seen sci-fi cover linguistic changes in the English language by having new slang, accents, colloquialisms and what not. The fact we don’t get to see much in the way of culture beyond logs is super disappointing. What is there, feels decidedly gray. No real pulse behind the world, just a bunch of words that definitely do mean things, and invoke interesting conversations…but nothing REALLY there.
Also yeah, I don’t know how they could compare landing on the moon IRL and for the first time as a human race, to a blank 500km instance in a video game. Classic Bethesda PR lmao
Thanks for the comment and insight dude! Happy holidays, and I hope the new year treats you well :)
@@arkyUS_YT Happy holidays to you too. Another complaint I have is the poor worldbuilding compared to the ones like Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. Yoda's broken English is such a nice detail that everyone finds memorable and charming. In a universe with universal translators, it's important to add the complexity of language and its inconsistencies. I really wanted Starfield to be great and have a good story, I never wanted to be the chosen one, it's a big universe full of mysteries and on the grand scale of it I just so happen to touch an artifact that construction workers overlooked, I don't mind being an average guy.
I would argue that the astronauts were bored once they had finished landing on the moon. I say that is the case because they were working at their jobs.
The tense moment was over and they would have been bored after that. The next two equally tense moments would be takeoff to get off of the moon and re entry into Earth's atmosphere. Outside of those they would have been bored.
Starfield didn't ruin Bethesda. Bethesda ruin Starfield
Correct, but I figured “Starfield” being in the front would flow better, so I formatted it in a way that made sense…maybe? Lmao
Thanks for the comment dude haha Happy new year!
@@arkyUS_YT nah u right fam 😅
.. and Bethesda ruin Bethesda 😥
I think we see Bethesda being a victim of their own success. They’ve gotten too big and disconnected from what fans actually want. I can’t help but feel that most of the developers from fallout 3, Oblivion, Skyrim. They’re all gone. They have to be. This is not a BSG game. Feels like it’s just a costume worn by dispassionate employees. It just feels so lifeless and lazy compared to pervious titles. Sad to see. Had to give up playing after 10 hours or so out of sheer boredom.
My sentiment exactly! I don’t know how much of this Bethesda, is the Bethesda that made those games we all grew up on!
We’ve seen this with Obsidian being gutted, Infinity Ward, and countless others. I want them to refine this game into the hyper saccharine addicting game I know it can be, but there’s just too many road blocks, and to be frank…weak characters to carry you that far.
Thanks for the comment btw dude! Appreciate ya for checking the video out, and I hope you have an awesome new year :)
@@arkyUS_YT Thank you bro! I will just say I disagree that they should try to improve this game. The problems with this game are so much deeper than any patches can fix. The soul is missing. The foundation is not there to build on. No alien races, empty planets, loading screens everywhere, no space travel, boring storyline. I could go on. They just need to abandon it and move on to something worthwhile.
It can’t be fixed imo 😂
Happy new year to you too bro!
There is one thing i'm personally 100% certain about, my hype for the next elder scrolls title is at an all time low.
And no matter what they will say in their promos, the lies, the promisses i won't believe any of them.
With Starfield they actually lost my trust in their company and capability.
Todd always says the things we want to hear.
Bethesda really has to step up their game big times for TES6 otherwise i won't spent a single dime. Word of mouth will be my guidance. The community of gamers know what is good and what isn't most of the time.
Xbox gamepass saved me a lot of money with Starfield and since i wasn't really attached to the game because i didn't spent big on it i immediately saw how shitty it is.
With 22 hours played i gave the game more than enough time to convince me that it is good somehow, but it ain't.
And i have the feeling that TES6 will be disapointing as well because Bethesda is lacking behind in terms of technology and game design.
My pov is that this game would’ve been AMAZING if it was released back in like 2011-2012. I’ve played every major Bethesda game since Morrowind and put hundreds of hours into each. I really tried hard with Starfield. I played about 40 hours searching for that magic that the other games provided. Even Fallout 4 holds a special place in my heart because it was good enough to play through. Starfield is the first Bethesda game I couldn’t complete. I have since deleted it and haven’t even thought about it.
That seems to be the key with everything Bethesda has released. "If it was released back in like 2011", it would be considered good. Reselling the same game for a decade has them convinced the industry hasn't changed in a decade.
@@lordmalachi6 exactly
Very much trapped in outdated mentalities, and likely development pipelines if the leaks are to be believed.
Thanks for the comment buddy! Happy new year :)
Personally I think it would still be disappointing regardless of what year it came out. It would have been ahead of its time in terms of graphical fidelity, but almost everything else is downgrade compared to Fallout 4, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion, and even Morrowind. It still has a boring and uninspired world, lore, characters and terrible exploration. Its not that they are staying the same and the game design is outdated thats the real problem. The real problem is that they are going so far backwards that it just turns bad regardless of the year it came out because the choices they have made wouldn't be acceptable even in 2002. If they stuck with the same game design over and over, it honestly would have been a major improvement compared to what they gave us with Starfield, which is sad.
It honestly needs more settlements. It’s the future for crying out loud!
Agreed! More settlements, of various sizes and with their own cultures! Not just the same generic ads all over the place!
Thanks for the comment btw, hope the new year treats you well ^^
@@arkyUS_YT same to you sir happy new year
Fan: "I swear I'm not a troll. I just have some concerns. Letters A through E concerns. That's all."
Bethesda: "Sorry you don't like the letter, K, buddy. Sounds like a skill issue, amirite? Fellow kids concur that K is cool, actually. Ever hear of historical event from the 1960s that was hopefully covered in a social studies course? Yeah. Get good, kid, then come at me with receipts next time. Poser."
I have no idea what you’re talking about JD, but I support it 👏
Thanks for watching buddy lol
And the concerns at least go to P lol
Very surprised to see the subscriber count you’re at. The way you carry yourself and deliver commentary is very entertaining, insightful, intelligent, and balanced. Stumbled on your dead rising video and been watching a few more.
Keep it up! I think you’ll have a good 2024.
Dude that’s so sweet of you! The intention is to have video essays be part of my uploads once I get a little more momentum on the channel in general, but I’m glad you enjoy these simpler videos too!
Thanks for giving the channel a chance, it means the world as a small content creator!
Hope your new year is well, and thanks again for letting me know you liked the stuff! Gave me a real good pep to my step :)
A big problem is really it's writing and quest design. It's done by only a few people to cover "1000" planets in the game and most of the quests bogs down to is fetch quests which made me feel like an errand boy. For an RPG there are no real choices or impactful consequences that really affect the world itself. This has been a thing since Fallout 3 and started being clear in Fallout 4. Since Starfield removed any enjoyment of space exploration it's left many people feeling the game has nothing to do but run in a direction for 5-10 minutes, shoot something and take an item.
That's what blows me away too! They made a game with a degree of content comparable to their older games, and just LITERALLY MUSHED it across a big galaxy map, and called that good enough.
It leaves the exploration to menu's and quick travel, and randomly generated events that repeat.
Thanks for the comment buddy! Happy new year :)
Wide as an Ocean, deep as a puddle
Todd called it his magnum opus.........ES6 is about to be hot fucking ass
I wonder what Todd was thinking when he knew he had to build hype by saying that.
Thanks for the comment buddy! Happy new year :)
Comparing Humanity's first steps on another planet to planets in starfield is absurd. I enjoyed building ships but I hated losing my creations to NG+ I'm waiting for modding so I can have them no matter what and even upload them without resorting to uploading saved games
You gotta give them credit, whichever agency they hire to handle PR might the biggest group of idiots I’ve ever witnessed in my life lmao
Reminds me of when people were upset about the FO76 Canvas Bags that came with the Deluxe Edition, and the support team flat out said “Sorry you don’t like this. Unfortunately, we’re not going to do anything about it”
Like…bro lmao
Also waiting for mods myself before giving the game another go! Crazy what they’re doing without mod tools tho lol
Thanks for the comment btw! Hope you enjoyed :) 🎉😊 Also Happy New Year!
@@arkyUS_YT Happy new year the Xbox commercial was epic but it inflated expectations
Community manager getting paid to gaslight you into thinking you are wrong.
@@f0x4nn3It’s so funny too, because it’s the sort of comment someone who’s 80 and never played a video game in their life would say.
“I spent my days sitting on my front porch playing with jacks. You kids have your new fangled radio games, visiting the moon and such.”
Okay grandpa, it was novel in 1994. But being in a giant Garry’s Mod map alone isn’t so much fun once you get over the fact touching the buttons makes the TV move 😂
I'm a PS player so i'm getting this out of the way already.
It saddens me what Bethesda has become.
Skyrim was a beautiful game, brilliant atmosphere, good story, soulfull music, it deserved to be remembered as one of the best games in history.
I as a ps player had to wait a year before i could play it but that was fine for me.
(xbox timed exclusivity)
The game was (mostly) patched, all the dlc was included, i had a brilliant time with it.
So much so i bought a lot of merch for it (shirts, map, beer mugs with the logos of the taverns on it, etc, etc)
Then came fallout 4, gave it a shot, wasn't the best story wise (to this day i haven't completed it), but the season pass was ridiculously cheap (20 or 30 bucks for everything) and i had fun with the settlement system (yes other people hated it, but by glitching it (increase the settlement build limit, recource duplication) you could have some fun with it.
Then came fallout 76............... and i was so dissapointed with it.
All we wanted was a full fallout experience that we could share with a friend or two, what was dificult about that?
the story was bland, it had no npc's, apalacha wasn't boston , the capital wasteland or new vegas in quality, had tons of glitches and they actively tried to rip us of with the special editions and fallout first.
When bethesda was bought out by xbox i was heartbroken, sure fallout 76 was a massive dissapointment but the fact that i never could play an elder scrolls game or a new full fallout game again was devistating, and honestly i felt a bit betrayed.
All my years as a fan seem to be thrown back into my face by bethesda as it was unwanted trash.
I mean what's a fan's devotion to a couple of billion dollars?
Aparentely nothing.
But still, while i knew that Starfield was out of my reach i kinda hoped it was at least good.
Oh boy have i been proven wrong.
What i hear from people and you it was an utter dissapointment and proof that bethesda was stuck in a rut.
A rut it was in since Oblivion it seems.
I now realised and understand why it was so easy for xbox to buy them out, the bethesda board knew they needed cash because of the massive fallout 76 failure, and i honestly think they knew that starfield wasn't going to be all it was cracked to be.
I fear for elder scrolls 6.
The microsoft curse has struck again.
Very true.
This >>>>>
Skyrim was crack cocaine and Bethesda just became addicted to getting high and buying more crack cocaine. What was once a textbook and loving parent has become an entity willing to sell its estate for more money (presumably for more crack cocaine). Addiction (and money) sucks
Hey there, thanks for the comment! I really did want to adore Starfield the way people loved Skyrim, because I genuinely believed that by all regards, it had the potential to be all the best parts of Bethesda's style rolled into a game with more modding capabilities than one could articulate.
It just didn't get the chance to be that game, and as much as I hope we get a Hello Games/CDPR show of good faith, I'm...not sure we'll see meaningful change, since some of the issues are deeper than just fixes. At the foundation, some serious considerations need to be made.
Thanks for the comment, and I hope the new year treats you well :)
The negative reviews of Starfield do have lagitamite gripes. My first characters save data is corrupted. I lost her. 80 hours in. I started a new character. I'm 16 in real life days in. 384 hours. So I like the game. I do. It's got fun moments. I've NG+ once, and am on my way to 2. That being said, the game does get tedious at times. Akilia City has bugs, there are times my in game sound disappears, my ships paint job has glitched.
When I started this character, and tried to do quests in Akilia, I thought I was going to be stuck there forever. My character would go to my ship, but CTD when I tried to take off. I had to search for an hour to figure out to go away from the city, about 700M, and fast travel to my ship. It then allowed me to leave. I have a rock that follows my ship. Parts of New Atlantis have disappeared. A lot of the planets are bare, and supposed to be used for outposts.
I think Bethesda thought a bunch of DLCs, and some mods would flush out the universe. I don't think it's fair to expect the modding community to fix, or flush out their game. They need to seriously fix the game breaking bugs, make sure no matter what you play on, all quests work, and the game is playable.
If the first DLC is held to the end of 2024, so fixes can be made, patches can add more precedural content so that we're not going through the same dungon areas on planets. Ship building is more flushed out. I want to be able to modify the interior, and place doors and ladders where I want them. If they fix most of this, and release the first DLc at the end of the year for free, that would help to heal badness gamers feel about this game, and give hope that ES6 may not end up a dumpster fire.
This exactly! 👆
The game is in rough shape, and could use the usual Bethesda TLC they tend to give their games post launch, but we definitely need more than that as well! Pushing the DLC till AFTER fixes, I feel would be a show of good faith that things aren’t working, and they wouldn’t dare ask for more money knowing damn well the game is a husk of potential, free labor was meant to fill in.
So many quality of life changes could be made to streamline things, and if they removed strange arbitrary decisions like loading screens when a cutscene could cover them up, or removing boundary’s to planetary exploration…or like you said, enhancing the randomization of the procedural generation so it’s able to more effectively create next dungeons and experiences, based on templates that Bethesda makes and expounds off of.
I want this game to rule, so much of it does right now, but this could have been GOTY slam dunk tier hands down! Instead, they released the bare minimum to get it out the door, and trusted modders would fill in the planets.
Actually so depressing :/
Thanks for your perspective Mystik ^^
Happy new year dude! 🎉😊
The fact that Bethesda still has save corruption issues is insane. This was a big issue in Skyrim as well.
This is basic stuff!
The launch of Starfield is so similar to the launch of NoMan's Sky that it's uncanny.
No Man's Sky at launch was also said to have all the depth of a puddle. While I enjoyed the game even then, it didn't make that statement wrong. The game simply didn't have much to do.
But that "shallow state at launch" seems to be where that similarity ends.
Where Bethesda keeps trying to do damage control even as they make things worse, Hello Games only said "We will fix things" and got back to work.
After 3 months, Bethesda has only added support features that players had modded in within days, but in the same time Hello Games had pushed out an update that was already adding new major game play features.
Bethesda is locking new content behind payed DLC, while all of Hello Games updates to NMS are free.
All this was done by a team less than 1% the size of the one that worked on Starfield.
All Bethesda had to do was follow in Hello Games footsteps to fix things. They only had to say "Sorry for disappointing you all, we'll work to make things right", shut up and get back to work, then give a few free content updates at a steady pace over the next year to make the game interesting.
Starfield needs the NMS treatment I think. I simply don't know if present day Bethesda is either willing or able to actually do the things which MUST be done. The "get out of jail free" cards that Bethesda has relied on in the past, AKA the modders, have seemingly woken up & AREN'T fixing Bethedas mess this time around.
Keep in mind, that even if the powers that be at either Bethesda or MS improve Starfield, it won't be a 10 out of 10. At best, I think it'll go up to an 8 out of 10.
Just shows us again that its not always about resources and money. Will power and having some pride in your work goes a long way. Bethesda will bold face lie right to your face and not care.
They really do need to NMS this game, the way Cyberpunk did before it. If they are willing to dig in, and really speak candidly and openly about how the game doesn't reflect their best efforts. Even if it WAS their absolute best effort, it doesn't change that they have mountains of playtesting and beta test material.
I hope they can right the ship, and fill in the design blanks, because the Starfield in my head...the one in everyones head prior to release, could have been bang on the best Bethesda game of all time.
Balls in their court now!
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The "empty planets" we got is just wastelands full of copy/pasted procedural gen outposts every 700 meters or so. This is why they all feel the same, because they basically are, just with a palette swap for whatever world you're on, to the point where it makes NO sense that planets the furthest away from civilization are literally littered with outposts and settlements.
I would have actually liked for Bethesda to lean MORE into the "empty planets" thing, and give us ACTUALLY uninhabited planets, maybe with interesting geological / biological features to explore and exploit with a better outpost building system, while also giving modders more empty space to play with once the modding tools come out. The whole exploration aspect of the game is just.. mis-designed as it is right now.
So unbelievably true dude. If we had absolute freedom, and the mechanics behind building allowed for ABSOLUTE factorio levels of production, I'd say HELL YEAH MAKE THOSE PLANETS EMPTY.
But as is, can we call what exploration loop they made anything other than...AI and unrefined?
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I had to do a double take when seeing that astronaut comment. Bethesda is very out of touch with reality. Hell... one of the reasons why the astronauts weren't bored is because they had a vehicle to travel on the Moon; which is something a game set hundreds of years in the future doesn't have.
Starfield is like a dish with expensive ingredients but served undercooked. It’s edible but needs to be sent back to the kitchen
Idk why people think "more time in the oven" will fix a fundamentally flawed game.
The game has more loading screens than actual cohesive well written content.
Arky you are blowing up man holy shit 13K in a day! THATS OUR FUCKING STREAMER!
Love ya buddy! :)
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@@arkyUS_YT Me to Arkticus
absolute banger video dawg, would love bg music in the nesxt one, maybe lofi, ur a legend
The fact that the game only came for PC and XBOX originally pissed me off big time. Now, I don‘t know…
Feeling a bit like you might've dodged a $70 bullet, eh? Haha!
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Hey this video popped up in my recommendations, probably because i’ve watched a couple Starfield vids this past month. Just wanted to say your quality is on point! Have a good 2024 keep it up
Thanks for giving it a shot dude, means the world to me!
I definitely will, and I hope 2024 treats you well my friend 🎉😊
@@arkyUS_YTAlso haha finally someone who didn’t love Skyrim! I definitely had some fun with the world and the mod scene was fantastic for some quick fun and endless options but I never jelled with the combat or dungeons or some of the quest design. Didn’t hate it but playing it vanilla I always stopped playing it so early even modded, compared to Fallout 4 where the mods were amazing too but I spent hundreds of hours playing and only burned out after finishing some the major DLC content. Curious if your experience is somewhat similar or for different reasons because not many people seem to prefer Fallout 4 to Skyrim too lol
Also would love the Bethesda deep dive, it’s crazy how their downswing happened around the same time as many old loved companies/studios such as Blizzard and Bungie
@@aidansmith22Absolutely dude! I intended my Bethesda deep dive to be a super edited video essay akin to my RE4 Treasures or Dead Rising videos, but really got burnt out at the thought, so I may format it more like these videos, so I don’t go crazy lmao!
I felt the same way about Skyrim! Something about the loot, combat mechanics, and somber toned world (compared to Oblivion) just never did it for me. I think we see some early signs of Bethesda dumbing things down in this game, but not so far that the hordes of fans who stand by Skyrim weren’t able to roleplay and RPG/Loot Grub to their hearts content.
I 100% enjoyed Fallout 4 more than Skyrim. I’ll go one further, I 100% enjoyed FALLOUT 3 more than Skyrim, but I suspect that’s just a taste issue ultimately haha
The mod support for both games is incredible, but with a handful of mods, I found I was able to convert many issues I had with FO4 (removal of the 25 skills system, strange perk tree stuff etc etc) in the snap of a finger, and felt WAY more joy playing that as it was.
So yeah! I’d say I actually did greatly enjoy Fallout 4 above Skyrim :p
Also, welcome to 2024! 🎉😂
Maybe if Todd re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-released Skyrim?
Bahaha, don't tempt them! They need a Super Ultimate Edition now with the new mod shop, unfortunately lmao
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I don't think it'll be the end of the company, call of duty has demonstrated that brand loyalty will compel a large number for people to buy whatever slop is put in front of them because it says [BRAND] on the box. But the reputation that they've coasted on since at least Skyrim is toast and they can forget about GOTYs or other awards indefinitely.
I guess that’s just it, yeah? Like not death of the company, but death of the reputation? Death of what they once stood for to the lions share of gaming fans? Death of the Bethesda spirit?
I know not everyone loved them, and I certainly didn’t like ALL their games, but very few companies consistently had me as engaged and locked into their titles as them.
So I’d say I agree, I don’t know if they’ll be critical darlings anymore, and if ES fails or stands as a large game, that gets little general traction…
What stops Microsoft from handing them a property, asking them to “Bethesda-fy” it, and being trusted less and less with producing their own original IPs out of fear of more failures.
I think that would be the death of Bethesda spiritually, and I truly believe Starfield might be the first explosion leading to that, especially now that Microsoft owns them.
Thanks for the comment buddy! Super small channel, so any and all engagement helps out, and comments on MY video are just super cool and cathartic, so thank you ^^
Its just not acceptable to release a game in this state these days. Its 2023/2024 and the game being a loading simulator was fine in 2011. But things have improved on all other companies. Bugs can be fixed, but lack of content and massive number of loading screens are really bad.
Baldurs Gate 3 was able to manage this. Zelda was able to manage this. You can make a massive game and make it content rich too.
That’s the most disheartening thing to me too, tbh :/ For all the interesting concepts, ideas, and designs in this game, it’s striking how much of it feels like a blank slate for modders to do all the work on. Don’t get me wrong, the mods are going to be amazing, and we’ll have the community to thank for that…but this game feels the most built as a modders platform than a genuine full hearted video game, and that’s…both exciting and deeply depressing.
Might in of itself be an interesting topic for a video.
Rambling, thanks for the comment friend haha 😅 Happy New Year 🎉😊
The real problem I have with Starfield is the game breaking glitches when the game crashes whenever you have too many items in your inventory or worse when you’ve played the game a long time. Sometimes restarting your game will fix it but other times it doesn’t work.
If they really wanted us to have the excitement of new worlds, we should have access to worlds no one else has been to. But every world has copied and pasted farms, mines, or research facilities. I would rather get a quest to explore a world and not have some random guy 20 feet away from the amazing landmark I am "discovering."
The hollow exploration stuff really bums me out the most myself :/ The copy and paste effect is quite bad with the POI's on planets :/
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I still feel like in a society where FTL travel is possible, gathering elements to make your own weapons mods, and being unable buy weapon mods, is an insane instance of cut and paste from fallout 4. There is no reason to have to make weapon mods within your ship or outpost as they do not exist anywhere else in the world, and no one is selling modded weapons.
Morrowind was the last truly innovative project that Bethesda have released. They've always been about giving players freedom and agency in a large open world, even going back to the Daggerfall/Arena days, but since Morrowind the lack of innovation has meant the rest of the industry has blown past them. It didn't help that Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty absolutely s*** on Starfield.
I wish I was old enough to have enjoyed Morrowind when it came out. I think today’s generation feels the same about Oblivion and Skyrim. And maybe that’s the sad truth about Bethesda games.. they don’t age well :/
I'd argue Oblivion was still innovative, despite being a Morroboomer. It still did something new, introduced a lot of people to the Elder Scrolls and offered a game that was unparalleled by other fantastical RPG's of its time. However, with Skyrim, there was decline settling into the foundation of BGS until the rot produced Starfield; a game that is worse than any other game they produced so far.
Yeah, nah it can't ruin Bethesda. If ES6 sucks, that's what's gonna ruin Bethesda.
Correct! Starfields success or failure really only matters to die hard fans of the Xbox brand, and Bethesda fans.
If UA-camrs/Game Fans/Etc are all preemptively casting a cloud of doom and gloom prior to the games launch, that in conjunction with the game potentially not being able to live up to its expectations, could really be a perfect combo of mess to ruin their standings.
I don’t think Bethesda can “die” necessarily, but I do think they can become a B team Microsoft throws properties at to “Bethesda-ify” using their engine and game formulas.
It sounds crazy, but we’ve seen legendary studios die by the wayside by being turned into a shadow of their former self by large corporate ownership.
That said, thanks for the comment buddy! Hope your new year is well! :)
I soured on Bethesda while playing Fallout 3 for PS3. Not only did my 100+ hours become lost due to a game breaking glitch, having to start all over from scratch again. ... I endured multi-hour game freezes from battle or cutsceens, and hard resets constantly. While I eventually achieved a platinum trophy, it was at an immense cost: my original fat PS3 failed from all that stress and I had to buy a new slim model. But hey, I have that infernal platinum trophy!
Yeah it ran a lot better on the 360. I had no problems but my friend on PS3 had lots of crashes.
God classic PS3 Bethesda era issues. I remember them well haha
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@@arkyUS_YT thanks! I appreciate the well wishes. Cheers.
Yhe mask has slipped and we can all see that theyve just made the same damn game for 20 years, slowly stripping things out for seemingky no damn reason.
The stripping of mechanics is what really bothers me. It’s been clear they want to appeal to the mainstream so bad, that they’ll intentionally remove depth, to basically make their games looter shooters before RPGs.
Granted, Starfield tried walking back into RPG-hood, but…in execution, it isn’t the sort of depth I think we’d all hoped for.
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What they didn't take into consideration with the whole moon landing comment is that the public interest (your average person with little interest in exploration) was fueled by the space race. Being the first to the moon is what drove that interest. After the U.S. beat the Soviets to the moon, that interest fell quickly. Fast enough in fact that NASA wasn't sure if they would have funding for the fourth landing at the time as the public quickly lost interest. They were lucky to get six landings before the Apollo program ended.
Beyond that, for those of us who do find the exploration of space interesting, there is a big difference between exploring planets in real life where we know so little about the universe vs exploring planets that are procedurally generated based only off of what we do know of the universe.
In the real universe, there could be elements and phenomena we can't even comprehend yet. In the game? Just the same stuff over and over again and because it is procedurally generated off all of the same database of assets, you know there won't be any true surprises or amazing discoveries even if you visit all the planets in the game. The pattern of the assets will start to become familiar after visiting a handful of them.
I want to hold on to hope that when Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, it will be as impactful as it's predecessors. However that hope hangs by a very thin thread after all the dissatisfaction I got from F.O.4, F.O 76, and now Starfield.
I hope elder scrolls 6 will play like a shitter morrowind, because it would still be better than a lot of Bethdesa’s current work
This feeling you have, I share, and is why I stand by both my thumbnail and title. When you feel "hope" or "faith" fade from something, you're unlikely to be willing to call mindless know your favorite creators are able to always show you a good time.
When you're a BETHESDA fan, and not just a Fallout or Elder Scrolls fan, and you lose that hope, you become vacant to future titles being able to even be worth eliciting even a smile. Dangerous roads they walk, I don't envy them there.
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What happened to the "Star Citize" killer? How this went from "batesda is gonna kill CIG" to "SF may be their end" 😂😂😂
Still cant wait for Star Citizen to enter my peripheral as a game to play. I'm scared I'm horrifically behind, so I'm waiting for a "Christmas Noobs" situation where I can sneak in with everyone else who sucks, and learn the game lol
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Bethesda coming out to argue with people in the reviews really is just a bow on the shitty present that is bad faith with it's playerbase
“Did Buzz Aldrin say he was bored on the moon? The moon was pretty empty”
THATS BECAUSE HE WAS ON THE GOD FORSAKEN MOON, HES IN SPACE FOR REAL
I don’t know who handled Bethesda PR, but they keep hitting us with these gems lmao
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I’ve did it before and I will say it again: there was already a game out that Bethesda should have taken. It’s from: mass effect. Imagine Mass Effect meets Skyrim. That would have been amazing.
Ugh. Mass effect is an ugly game, even when it came out.
MASS EFFECTTTTTTTT!
Starfield has so many vibes of Mass Effect, but just way less expertly weaved in. I wish this game had aliens or something, christ. Anything for some diversity in culture from people lol
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Imagine Microsoft's reaction. They spent all that money to acquire Bethesda, and the very-first game Bethesda released under the Microsoft banner was received so horribly. That must have the Microsoft bigwigs wondering if they made a wise purchase. (Yes, I know Starfield started development before the acquisition. That fact changes nothing.)
Modders can fix the uninteresting concept, the bad dialogue, and the bland NPCs. They can ... but why? The level of effort would be over the top. Cyberpunk was bad because it was buggy as hell. That was difficult enough, but they were still fixing a game with a good story and good dialogue and a good concept. At its core, Cyberpunk was good. At its core, Starfield is not.
The foundational rot is ENTIRELY a good argument to make. You can't fix the dialog and characters, and narrative beats without...butchering the whole thing and starting over. I wonder how much this game will be rife with mods that just total convert stuff, and get you as far from primary narrative beats as possible. I liked SOME of what the story had to say, especially the NG+ loops, but...damn, it's not gonna be easy to fix this aside from a major overhaul.
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Sabotage.
A big game company would make a screw up like this mess?
You'd be surprised how far incompetency can mess up a company though, especially when they work "business as usual" while ignoring the fact they've seemingly added 3000 people to their staff haha
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When a dude comes out with a driver for $15, almost immediately - and everyones in an identical loop playing a game, which at first glace, should by rights, have multiple different loops to offer. - I know its not the game; and probably not the software either. At least not anything Bugthesda had any direct control over.
I play Starfield on Series X and while its got its problems, theres nothing prompting me to rush to social media to join the mass cope for answers. - However, I've been making and playing gamesoft for decades; from a hobby to cash collaborations, to having long since moved on to other things.
Obviously the devs chose to focus on a particular arc (thats normal for any gamesoft), and obviously playing it within a shell like 'Gamepass' is going to result in having all MS redundancy measures fed into it, like XBOX & DX tech they've been working on since '94. - That still doesn't explain why theres a big performance disparity between Steam PC & XBOX. Until you zoom out and see the whole picture..
Theres no reason why chip manufacturers didn't have drivers ready for a game that came, pre-packed with this much hype. - Usually they would right? They'd be using the game to showoff who's got the best tech. - Except when you take into account that they've long since hit the tech ceiling, and theres almost no difference between them; apart from how each process functions. So they've resorted to disruptive product releases, and driver delays. - and very few picked up on it, d'ya know why?
Because you think devs can do everything at once. You don't look at this "games industry" as what it is; a collaborative exercise of licenses, and permissions, among competing tech firms, and end product services.
great video man. I spent 423 hours in the game without cheating or using console command. In fact, the game needs a lot. The main cities are just villages. The design of the cities makes you not see them completely as the city of New Atlantis. I got very lost in a city and did not know where to go to buy weapons or armor and so on. NBC is just bullshit, there is no artificial intelligence, and their design is disgusting. Faces are repeated everywhere, and it is clear. In short, the design of NBC takes us back twenty years. The maps are unbearable. Made maps and made areas give you a feeling of unreality. This is very bad. My visits to planets are often useless. In fact, they are dead planets with no life in them, and that is fine, but where are the humans? Just four to five cities, and as I mentioned, they are just villages, not cities. I see from my experience in the game whose story I loved so much that it is 50% incomplete. Even when I fight characters, the power indicator on them in some dark places obscures them from view. The sense of competition is slightly weakened by the exposure of their energy indicators. Or as we can express it as an indicator of life for the characters. I do not like to talk about how wonderful the physical factors are like others who did and neglect that ballistic weapons do nothing to you in terms of recoil. The recoil force of ballistic weapons is very strong in space, and this is what makes the reality of the physical element in the game very bad, and this is the bitter truth. An example of the bad quality is that if an animal attacks you and let's say behind body of another dead animal, he will not to run over that dead body but will pass through it, and when you shoot the animal that is attacking you, your bullets collide with the body of the dead animal which means it will be canceled and do not reach its goal which is the attacking animal behind it while the attacking animal is emerges through the dead body while he's charging at you. and sometimes Your shot won't pass over a leaf! There are a lot of things that make the game actually very limited, and this is a very scary thing. There are no beautiful melodies like Skyrim, for example. Skyrim was and still is amazing and beyond description. finally, I'm sorry for my bad English I use translator anyways. so, you can blame google translator lol.
Dude translate or not, thanks a bunch for your comment! I think the game not selling you on scale or reach is a major issue against it. I liked some citys like New Atlantis feeling as big as it was, but once I realized...that's mostly all the city is, I just...wish they'd kept making this city deeper and deeper.
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@@arkyUS_YT for you as well 🙏🏻 🌹
See now I’m just of the opinion that what ever Bethesda’s next game is; the writing will be poor, the rpg elements will be lacking, the weapons will be dull and nothing would really hook me. Let another dev team make starfield 1.5
This is EXACTLY the plausible deniability I meant in the video, even! If this is their attempt at rising from the ashes of the disaster that was FO76...how could we in good faith expect them to make a follow up to one of the highest selling/highest rated games of all time?
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Once I accepted that what makes a Bethesda game good is the modding community behind it, I realized just how awful Bethesda games are. I almost like give a pass to aspects of Starfield’s poor design because I’m like “Oh, that’s fine I’ll just get a mod when the toolkit comes out to make X better.” This is the same company that people were praising for Skyrim’s innovative design. now making concessions for faults in Starfield by alluding to the massive modding community that they quite literally expected to fix their game.
This isn’t Starfield’s fault. This is Bethesda’s responsibility. The truth is that they were once beloved parents of Elder Scrolls and Fallout and wanted to have another baby they could coddle since the former two were becoming old and teenagers, and in Morrowind’s case, a grown ass adult. Bethesda became a shitty parent that has relied on its village to raise its child, and now the village has seen through Bethesda shenanigans and wants no part of it.
Again, it’s not Starfield’s fault. Love the game for the things it does well and hold Bethesda accountable for so very shittily expecting the modding community to do the rest. Shame on you Bethesda.
Imagine if all those volunteers in the village arent allowed to help anymore without charging for it with bethesda getting a majority of the profits.
Actually awesome response! Thanks Lils >:)c
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I done just about a 100 ish hours and it bugged out on two different saves. I can't be dealing with starting the main story again.
Ahh yeah, a stream friend of mine in my community had this exact thing happen on his first 90 hour save. He had to put the game down entirely, until he felt ready to forgive and forget. I’m convinced that if he loses that one too, he might hurl his Xbox out a window lmao
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What could modders even do to “fix” this game exactly. I’ve only played a bit but all you do is fast travel to a room full of space crackheads and have a fight
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I don't think this game will kill them off but if they don't get Elder Scrolls 6 perfect.
That game will kill the company off.
Hopefully having a game map that is in just one tiny part of the world means that they can flesh it out with content to bypass all the issues that Starfield has right now. And in a way, think Starfield is facing the same issues that No Man Sky faced, so they're going to have to have a dedicated team on this game for a long time with constant new content patches, bug fixes. That's the sort of title they decided to bring out and it will cost them now a lot more than they make on the game.
So Elderscrolls 6 has to be successful, there's no way around it now, no room for error, etc.
And by successful, enough so that it can fund the game after it but also to fund this game alongside itself with it's DLC and all.
The only ones at fault for this added stress and workload is well, Beshesda. In fact, maybe Microsoft will have to get more involved and do some upper management reshuffling.
Mind you, I think even if ES6 fails, they will still be a company that exists ultimately, so that's not what I mean when I say "Kill", yeah?
Not that you're saying that, but it's a sentiment I've seen shared about the video. But, will Microsoft have them keep siphoning budgets like this if ES6 comes out and reviews poorly and is widely agreed to be a major flop? Will they be able to lean on their pedigree for forever, when the next generation of game fans has only seen them at their worst?
SEGA failed, and they made CONSOLES.
Tangent aside, great comment! Totally agree, and appreciate you for hearing and understanding my perspective!
Hope the new year treats you well! :)
The Fallout 4 next gen update situation is what broke my patience with this company. The laziness, verbal abuse, lies, and greed are just too much to handle. As a PlayStation player, I was upset when they got bought out by Microsoft, but now I'm glad I don't ever have to interact with this company ever again.
How do we STILL not have a Next Gen patch for this game? Like, you just know the community could make an AMAZING one without their help at all, Sonic Mania style.
In fact, modders have Next Gen'd Bethesda 100 times over at this point lol
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All i can say is from my personal experience, the game has certain elements that made me spend lots of time in it (ship builder) and enough allure for me to try and find some joy in it, only to conclude after 300 hours that I've seen it all and I will be going back to older BGS titles for repeat fun. Starfield, for me, just doesn't have the replayability factor of other Bethesda games.
I could go into detail but I think everyone gets the point by now.
This exactly though! By the time you have your fill, it's just...a whole lot of pushing for systems that are capable of gratification, but they're seemingly cut at the legs for modders to finish.
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Hey ArkyUs! Your point at 9:28 is spot on! (Bethesda releasing a DLC which updates / enriches the base game instead of delivering steady updates )
Capcom corrected their mistakes, Ubisoft is trying right now, Sega is re organizing, so Bethesda could do the same.
No company is immune to buffoonery era.
DUDE! Buffonery era is BASED. I want them to rebound, and believe with enough hard knocks they could!
Emo Dante, btw. Good lord Capcom lol
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Here's the thing. Dev's are usually very excited when they have new and modern game engines and tech to work with. It inspires them to try out new ideas that weren't previously possible and it usually drives a development team to come up with a really great concept for a game. When you have a game engine that is over 3 generations old, and you're forcing your dev team to use old concepts to create new ideas, that is eventually going to fizzle out. They desperately need a brand new game engine from scratch that is up to modern gaming standards, and I know they've been working on it. But come on now. If they decide re-brand the Creation Engine as being "new" one more time, that will be the end of them. If Elder Scrolls 6 isn't on a brand new engine and up to modern game standards, I'm not wasting another dollar into this company until they show me something different. I knew FO 76 was going to suck, so I didn't buy it. I knew Starfield was going to suck, so I didn't buy it. We will see when more info starts coming out on Elder Scrolls 6, if I fell like they've learned their lesson. I'm not holding my breath.
I think Skyrim was the Bethesda game I started with, I put over 3k hours into it, I played fallout NV and 4 and had a good time, those games even if they wouldn't have lasted as long as they did would still have been quite fun without mods. Starfield on the other hand feels like a lifeless husk,. Sure it was less buggy than other Bethesda games, but the bugs it had were gamebreaking for me making me lose like 50 hours of progress. Now I might not even care that much, I stared a new character, but the game is almost too boring to replay anything. I won't mention the planets much, but for example the ship progression is almost useless, and you can go through the whole game with an upgraded A class a ship. Also many features are removed, did you find a gun with a cool attachment you can't craft? Well gone are the days of fallout 4, now removed weapon attachments disappear. And all the challenges to upgrade your perks are a massive grind, like the ship ones just make you place a bunch of ship pieces even if they're completely unnecessary for you.
Husk is the EXACT word I'd use! At the end of the day, Bethesda has made clear that they expect modders to finish this game, because they take them for granted. "Of course they'll do it, lets just give them the space (no pun intended) to make whatever they want, since they'll fill in the blanks for us in general.
It's super scummy, implies people should work for free while a multi-billion dollar company reaps the rewards.
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I almost have nothing to add. I just think that it is probably the first time people are reticent about acknowledging a bethesda game needs to be improved by the community. Skyrim and fallout 4 always welcomed mods, but there's a large group of starfield "fans" that receive even the suggestion of a mod as a type of blasphemy. It's crazy. Just imagine modders prefacing their mod descriptions with "I like the game dont get me wrong but I wanted to tweak x or y..."
I gotten flac for my negative review when everyone was in their "honeymoon" stage (I gave it a thumbs down in late September). I did not pay the deluxe package in fact I did not pay the full retail price, but I still paid for it. My short review of it was it was the bits of every Bethesda game minus the good parts.
They damaged their brand with Fallout 76 very badly, and this was the their last chance with me. They failed in story, character design, charm, and overall world building. With Fallout 4 while I did not like that you have to be in a faction of sorts to complete the game it still let me be a lone wanderer for the majority of the time (this includes the DLC). The game & world of Fallout 4 for the most part felt complete. Starfield has you ball & chained from the get go, and likes to punish you for not following the path they want you to go with characters that just either babble non stop, or nag at you like a controlling spouse/Karen (especially Sarah).
I gave them a fair shake, but after investing $50 of hard earned money as well as wasting 93 hours of my life I felt burned in the end. Bethesda blew it, and they will have to earn my trust before I will buy any new game from them ever again.
1000% agree! I was trapped in the honey moon phase myself, seeking what exactly the root core of the game was and should be...only to find...nothing.
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After FO4, FO76 and all the BS they've pulled with Skyrim and mods, as soon as I heard 1000 procedurally generated planets I knew Starfield was going to be a boring mess so I skipped it entirely, and it seems I was right. What is funny now is I'm inundated by so much content about how bad the game is, I'm kinda curious to play it now, lol. Def gonna get this game when it hit's like 20 bucks on Steam.
Just make sure you wait for the modding toolkit to come out 🤪
@@lilymnavona nah, I want to see what Bethesda actually accomplished
On sale, and around the time the modding tool kit has had time to stretch it's legs would be the best time. By then modders will have refined the systems preexisting in Starfield to such a degree, that there will be more harmony within the pieces Bethesda laid themselves.
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Modders can't fix that the narrative of the game does not support the gameplay. And this is the first time I needed to make this argument with a game, ever. You constantly read and hear things within the game, that look good on paper and sound awesome, but you never encounter them as gameplay elements. The game itself lies to you what it would (want to) be like, but then you play the game, and it's not like that at all.
"I'm mad at you, so next time we're at a port, I'm leaving, and you should think about what you have done. (companion voiceover)" -> Follower stays with you.
"Oh no, now that this CEO is dead, the company is ruined, this will send ripples throughout the galaxy. (NPC dialogue)" -> Company products continue to be featured in the game world the same as before, prices do not change, employee NPCs retain their schedule, etc.
"Terrormorphs are the most dangerous creatures out there, they could literally extinct the human species given the chance. (NPC dialogue)" -> Dumb bullet sponges that make for easier combat than a single elite carrying a Magstorm.
"My absolute favorite moments in space are when I stop in deep space, kick back and look out the window, with nothing in sight, no planets, no ships. (companion voiceover)" -> No deep space in Starfield.
"The feeling of stepping on a planet as the first human ever, there is nothing like it. (companion voiceover)" -> Human structures (POI) randomly generated on every planet you land on.
pick SAME religion as a companion during character creation -> no changes in romance dialogue, I'm still the same heathen given the same dialogue as without that character trait (How would you propose fixing this with mods? Hire the voice actress for new lines of dialogue?)
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You start playing the game, it makes all these promises to you... then you just continue playing and after there is no more content left for the game to own up to its promises, you are being made aware that these were all lies (most of which are abandoned gameplay features they lazily left traces of inside the game).
No amount of modding can fix the dozens upon dozens of examples of ludonarrative dissonance.
was watching this video and i was surprised to see you only had like 600 subs. . this was actually a pretty good video so i subscribed
Dude thanks man! Appreciate the love! I've always wanted, and failed at finding a format I could realistically do without tearing my eyes out, and I think I've found it!
The sub is super appreciated, and I'm already stewing what comes next!
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ultimately, I think it would be wild for gamers to not have access to socials, youtube, etc when a game comes out, check it out for themselves and see if they genuinly like it. the community is in the worst condition I've ever seen. I worry for gaming in the future.
I do wish more people would act in good faith and play the things they feel so inclined to rant and rave about :/ I saw a ton of this with Dunkey's Death Stranding video and the memes that came from that, despite it being a grand slam game in my eyes.
DS hate or not, people kinda ran with the "Strand Type Meme" and "Kojima is a hack" meme a little far for having not played MGS beyond a cursory glance, and certainly not being able to talk much about DS itself.
The community's condition is also partly Bethesda's doing. Not entirely, haters will hate, but they've done things over the course of awhile that turned a great number of people off from their games and brand (some of them became content creators, imagine that info spread haha)
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One of the best years in gaming my ass. Baldur's Gate 3 is the only 2023 game I could tell you was praised.
I'd have to disagree, and I'm surprised I'm seeing this sentiment around here. First I've heard people disliked 2023 as a year in games.
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I would love to see company growths even good ones or small gameing companies getting shout outs for good work
It’s random, but I just started playing this game called Pathologic 2 on Steam, and it’s quickly become one of my all time favorite video games EVER! It got good acclaim, but it deserves more than that. Much more.
I too would like small developers get the market share they deserve!
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Skyrim came out 13 years ago, and it still has bugs that prevent you from finishing the main quest, not to mention the dragonborn dlc...
Is “there was nothing in the moon and astronauts weren’t bored” the new “sense of pride and accomplishment”?
It totally comes off like a horrific catch phrase lmao
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I uninstalled it as I was sick of the jank, sick of pathetic ship combat, sick of walking, jumping, running on planets for HOURS to get anywhere, sick of the NPCs, sick of ... you get the idea. More utter garbage from Bugthesda. I'm out. No more of their games for me, ever.
The biggest issue. Games likes skyrim take place on one continent pack with loads of game play. While an entire space layout has equal or less than what that game has
Content spread WAY too thin was my experience too :/
They made a relatively big game, and spread it across an actual OCEAN of distance lol (distance we can't even travel without a menu getting us somewhere :/)
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Happy New Year, Arky & fans! Thanks for your info. Sub'd.
Hey thanks buddy! Hope you enjoyed, and happy holidays! (being three days ago haha)
Agreed. Also, pls make a video describing in detail the negative sentiment towards Bethesda. Well done sir.
Can do buddy! Super appreciate you for the comment btw!
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starfield doesnt need more time in the oven, the things people dislike about it are conceptual, not bugs or polish
what guitar is that?
Ibanez Axion Label with Bareknuckles and an Evertune mod ;)
@@arkyUS_YT Damn. you uploading mirrored? Is that a lefty? I swore that was an Ibanez logo (I play an S5427 myself with seymour duncan JB in the bridge). Very nice :) What is your signal chain / amps&fx like? Nice guitar my dude
After further review it does seem you are uploading mirrored :D
Haha! Yeah mirrored, so my right is right and left is left and I don’t have a conniption fit figuring that all out lmao!
Dude sick on JB’s, I had an Epiphone LP Custom with a buddy of mine that I put JBs into, and good lord that thing had chunk to it!
Gotta snag that thing back from him asap haha
Usually direct into my Fireface 800 (old boy), into a J48 DI, and then all digital from there usually!
I have a Kemper unit I need to set up to jam again, since I just moved and am still setting up, but otherwise I mess with the Neural DSP stuff a lot, and tons of random plugs from small end producers like JST and what not for quick set it and forget it tones!
Also sometimes use a Precision Drive from Misha Mansoor for a little grit if my strings are wearing down a bit, but still wanna jam with icepicky sharp sounds :p
Many words to say, thanks for geeking with me on guitar shit, I don’t do that often enough bahaha
But thanks buddy!
BUT! I have a Mesa OS style flat front cab and a 5150 combo amp I cut in half to turn into a super high gain amp also at my co-engineers house for storage, and my GOD did that thing chop heads off haha!
@@arkyUS_YT Indeed. Love to guitar-chat :) Have a good one! Interesting you say that. I just had to get a new interface (Scarlett 2i2) because I couldn't use my new graphics card because the FireWire card was in the way. Hello USB-C! AND BOY I'M GLAD I DID.
It gave me tons of issues, stereo field was always unbalanced (it was so nice solving this issue with a new interface), even using different outputs, and going from 64 buffer size (SOMETIMES) all the down to 16 with this new guy. (holy wow what is latency?). ProFire2626 is now delegated to my drum room (for when I finally get more microphones lol).
Cheers
Starfield feels like the scaffolding of a good game with no actual game in it - all the cool moments Im supposed to feel that Todd bragged about fall flat because I know that no matter what happens in the story, Im still stuck in a gameworld where you copy pasta every location type and dont even bother to change enemy positions or treasure locations....it legit kills any potential fun I could have and dissuades me from exploring...why would I bother when they didnt put any effort into differentiating locations
I feel like this EXACT thing is what Starfield fails at the most. Between quests, and self directed missions, I LOVE walking in a random direction and do my best E3 cinematic demo camera as I take in the world and run into weird buildings/sites/adventures etc.
You seriously can’t do this beyond the pre-established “Bethesda approved” locations satisfyingly. They boxed that part of the experience in AND they procedural generated absolutely every part of it.
I know this might be super cool for modders, but…damn dude the copy and paste is real :/
Anyway, good points! Also thanks for the comment, appreciate you, and I hope you have an excellent new year! 🎉😊
Starfield should have had a community that wants to talk the story and characters, Baldurs Gate stole that from Starfield from being a content rich game that gives people material to care about the game outside of the gameplay. It's not reaching Fallout 4 fandom at its peak at all and that should be sad.
Spot on bro. Good content. But, when you said you didnt like Skyrim...
HOW DARE YOU.
I'm the type of individual who would never buy skyrim, but would starfield
I loved Skyrim when it came out. Now I can’t go back and play it without being like “I can’t do this without 20+ mods and I just don’t feel like spending a day making sure they all work”
@@lilymnavona vanilla Starfield doesn't even need mods. It's beautiful as it is.
@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo i agree. it’s a beautiful. The unfortunate reality for me is that once mods come out it will probably be unplayable without them. I was absolutely floored at the beauty of the end of starfield. But.. as I play it I can just see all the stuff that can be improved on and I can’t help but wonder how long it’ll be before a mod fixes that shortcoming.
An example; why the fuck can’t you rotate 2x1, 3x2, 3x1 pieces in the ship builder??????
@@lilymnavona male and female ends. the round doors between ends turn only one way. They're truly beautiful doors.
Also this game punishes those who don't keep cool with it, it doesn't like being thrown any emotional baggage.
I see Starfield as the generational step between fallouts. While not the same thing, it's pretty much the same universe with some timeline tweaks. But that doesn't mean I want to play it. I'll wait for their main cash cows to give them my money
Jokes on you, we’ve died before and we will come back, once I release the next version of skyrim, you foolish mortals will buy it again and again.
TODD! ADD CRAB SEX DLC NOW
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No thank you mate, your content is awesome. Keep up the good shit!
Holy shit its the man himself back with another banger. Good shit mate
Thanks dino! :3
Hope you're doing well fren, thanks for the comment!
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Elianora is one of the strongest Bethesda ponies out there.
I always buy Bethesda game after 4++ years after they released all dlc and it only cost 10$ for full dlc. I mean it'll be full of bug and no mod anyway at early release.
Oof.. the sad truth of a Bethesda game is that it’s always better bc of mods, and almost not worth playing without them (once you play with them)
@@lilymnavona also the npc every game studio made now is really fkn ugly. I don't want to get my eye rotten playing without mods.
I think this is an ENTIRELY valid thing to do. No mod support at the beginning is always worth skipping, especially if you're in no hurry to experience what Bethesda in a vanilla state has delivered...both the good, and bad haha
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The best Bethesda game was Fallout: New Vegas ... oh wait.
i modded skyrim and fallout 4. i am proud what happened with these games due to modding. i like playing and optimizing them. i severely doubt this will happen with starfied the same way again.
600 subs? you deserve WAAAYYY more. great video man !!!
Dude thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully you catch the next one I'm thinking up :)
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For me, what WILL ruin Bethesda is a bit layered. I'll elaborate.
First, I'll disagree with Lilymnavona = Skyrim was NEVER revolutionary in gaming. It was spectacle. It was hype. It released bascially broken but people did enjoy it. I personally hated that they stripped every single USEFUL RPG mechanic out of it. (One freaking skill point in a different tree for UNARMED) 10 freaking HP per level, but that giant gets to brain you if you go over 10, because fuck Constitution; or proper damage resistence. Or Strength. I could go on.
Morrowind was the one that was revolutionary to me - and the reason for that was they canonically had a reason that the MC was OVERPOWERED in stats. They baked it into the main quest of the game, and if you were patient you could literally beat down Vivec without any problem. Yes, it borked your save - but you can do it. No cheating. No exploits. No bullshit you have to do it this way, and NOT fuck it up Resto loop to make it based off "Enchantment" (It's not Enchantment if you get the majority of the effect from a freaking POTION Todd!!!)
What will actually ruin them is:
- The fact they do rely heavily on Hype.
- They do over rely on Modders to fix what they can't be bothered to actually code. Or polish.
- They WILL NOT be changing their Methuselah aged game engine... (which leads to all the damned bugs)
Renaming it a hundred times, and using bubble gum and duct tape to "upgrade it" isn't the same thing.
- They tried to Monetize content that is the MODDERS' work. (It's their assets, but by allowing the modders to mod, they're effectively allowing the modders to make money as they can on their own unique works within that frame - and it was always bullshit to try to take a cut of that)
* They've torched the better part of the modding community and are left with the FNG's trying to learn.
Or those they've "poached" who used to shill for them. So they're devs now, and god knows what amount of work they'll do. Or won't. Since you can mod on your own time and by your own rules, but as a company underling you're kind of screwed.
- They keep producing half-baked games, coasting on the idea that everyone LOVES them. Without seeming to realize WHY why do. [The. MODS] * The ONLY reason their games are as playable today as they were a decade ago (and I dare you to go try base Daggerfall or Arena again and then tell me the fucking things are "playable") is Modders. Whom again, they've effectively burned bridges with.
- The more they produce games like Fallout 4/76, Starfield and probably now the ES6, the more customers are going to start voting with their wallets in the long run. It will be a slow bleed out, but it will happen. Microsoft can't save them, because I highly doubt they'll dump very much in funding to keeping Beth around, if they don't prove profittable. The thing about the microsoft deal was always, they DON'T need the games industry to make their money. It's why Sony is a little bit screwed on that point. So overall, the side gig thing will hurt Bethesda, because for them it's NOT a side gig. It is, for Microsoft.
I'd like ES6 to be very few things; but I doubt very highly anything I want from it will be in the game. I would like to see Bethesda go back to actually making compelling RPG's. Just RPG's. Scale down a bit, and work on learning to POLISH their worlds for themselves, rather than trying to make it bigger than all nine levels of Hell. I'd like to say I'm going to love trying new builds in the next Bethesda game, or seeing where the story actually goes. But given the proclivity to strip away mechanics in each new offering and the writing in the last few... my answer is sadly probably a no.
** According to what I've heard, Modders have said they LITERALLY CANNOT fix the game. Because of the way the framework was done. There's too much that would need to be completely overhauled I'd wager, and frankly even if you could it would be an entirely new game. I doubt the modding tools Beth will let them use (because they've also said you can't use 3rd party tools now) are designed to let the modders "fix" the game. They'll probably be able to add a very few tweaks, but I doubt it'll get as crazy as Skyrim or Fallout 4 could do.
Dude sick write up though! I agree it's a nuanced conversation, and has many facets, and I'd have loved to go into all that in this video, but then I'd have wanted to do a "post mortem" of sorts, since we don't know what comes next for this game, yeah? But I agree pretty across the board I'd say! Maybe I can kick around the idea down the line, but I'd say this is a solid understanding!
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So i started my bethesda journey with oblivion and i was inlove, i enjoyed fallout 3, i played skyrim and fallout 4 modded to hell but loved them for what they were
But i realised that skyrim feels incomplete, fallout 4 while i enjoy it i dont think ive completed it once because the story gets so boring
76 was a bomb that we shouldve expected and starfield while im not into space games i wanted to play to see the features they could bring into elderscrolls 6 or fallout 5... i got to the fiest city got bored and uninstalled, it felt empty, lackluster and just awful
It doesnt suprise me starfield fell flat, skyrim and fallout 4 worked off a pre existing lore, a worldspace we know.. i do think es6 shouldve been worked on before this, 76 damaged them and starfield is flopping
I dont know if i want to buy ES6 despite my love for elderscrolls, but i do know i wont touch any games that arent main es/fallout series games ever again
God I loved Oblivion and Fallout 3 haha
I agree with your roadmap of experiences through and through, and find your concern towards ES6 to be well founded.
I got tons of comments informing me that this game sold millions of copies, and made billions of dollars, and that I’m a sensationalist, but anyone who’s loved, played, and experienced these games to a degree where they can express how they feel about it USING WORDS, all have the same concern I do.
They’ve been going downhill, and FO76 was the first audible loud explosion. We hoped Starfield would be the return to good graces we’d hoped for, since you’d think a company as “community minded” as Bethesda couldn’t overtly show that they don’t care about their communities, surely.
And yet they dropped the ball again in many key aspects, leaving many diehards to wonder:
Can Bethesda today make a good Elder Scrolls game?
We had plausible deniability before, and we simply don’t have it now :/
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Hey it's a new year everything's gonna be fine. We'll be playing ESVI before we know it and it's gonna be awesome
I love this perspective! New year, new us, aye? :)
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I think developers need to learn they are making for a game for consumers and know their audience. more and more developers are getting disconnected from their customers and eventually it will hurt their business.
So because someone is calm when they complain gives it more believability? I think the angry ppl are the ones who are most correct in their complaints.
It's weird Bethesda holding on to an engine that doesn't work and is outdated maybe it's the seniors that wants it because of some ego reason and maybe those people are afraid if using a new engine they would look bad compared to the younger devs 🤷♂️
This is my 1st Bethesda game, and my last. First, I will say that to expect every planet to be unique (how many are there?) isn't realistic. I'm OK with the copy paste worlds in large part. It gets redundant at times, sure, and when I get bored with that redundancy, I just start killing things. I like the ship building aspect, the outpost building, searching for that one resource that will make you money. The weapons are a bit rough and clunky for something that is supposed to elicit that futuristic feel. I guess that's what you get when kids who have probably never held a gun start designing them. Mildly disappointed there.
Here's what I HATE about the game. I just hit level 138 on my 2nd play through (so I've got some time invested here) and I have yet to make it through a single session with less than 5 crashes, or freezes. IT DOESN'T FRIGGIN WORK! The whole thing is a complete train wreck of an abysmally frustrating experience. I mean, when opening the hand scanner to enter build mode at an outpost crashes the game 10 out of 10 times, there might be some fundamental issues happening here. I left a review in the Xbox store saying as much, and Bethesda responded with "...make sure you have the latest update..." It doesn't matter, Bethesda! Every update that comes along just compounds the problem and shows everyone who who paid for this pig that you don't have a clue as to how to fix it. DLC? Let me know how THAT works for you. I've wasted enough money on this development company. On to something else.....
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Honestly I think it’s a good way to get their point across. If they’re smart they’ll listen to what the SUPPORTERS are saying!
I'd agree! It shows new folk that there's something going on within the games atmosphere, and it ultimately doesn't hurt anyone other than a company that is perhaps doing wrong by their playerbase, which would ultimately effect people who DO want to join said playerbase.
I've seen bad and good instances of this protesting, and ultimately make my decision if it matters to me just by reading a few of the sentiments.
It's a win win win for the consumer.
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starfield feels like they took all the worst parts of skyrim and fallout 4, but none of what made them good and why we put up with the games issues heeh.
what I think is causing all of the negative recent reviews is, 30 days before it started was around black friday when sales started, so wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people bought the game on sale then that wouldn't have bought the game day one, or least with mixed reviews, and they are less likely to be fanboys and such that don't have a vested interest in loving the game and more ikely to go bleah.