Thanks for all the feedback everyone. As you can see, this has become my biggest video by far. I've read your compliments but also some valid criticism that I will take note of for my future videos 🤗
NO, 2077 had a few bugs on PC at release, but no more than Bethesda ES games and all the fun was already there. It was what I expected, wanted, and received. My fav genre, and a nice bonus to have large scale driving around the city. 2077 DLC is good, but it was already GOTY before. So this year Hogwarts Legacy is GOTY.
Good to follow the algorithm, but I’ve seen many videos of people criticizing starfield in a more thought out and analytical way. Will more likely to watch those more than these rant type of videos. Good luck!
Oh man, yes whenever you reached Phantom Liberty in the game, please do stream it! I'm a late comer with this game. I didn't purchase it at launch, just the horror stories alone made me wait. So I didn't start playing it until August of this year with patch 1.63 I think? A tad buggy but nowhere near impossible to play. Then patch 2.0 came out and I noticed the overhaul. It was awesome. Then the DLC came out and it felt like an entirely new game altogether. I'm over 220 hrs into this game, 3rd full playthrough and not even close to being bored
At it's core, Cyberpunk 2077 was always entertaining and had a great story. The technical issues were the main problem and it should have never been released on last gen consoles. Cyberpunk 2077 immediately gets you hooked with one of the best first acts of a game in recent years.
It's an explosive start but every time I go through it I think of the wasted opportunity that was the opening scene after you finish the prologue. An extra 3 or 4 missions to bond with Jack instead of the dumb voiceover cutscene would have gone a long way.
Played it on PC right after the release, there were some funny bugs but nothing game breaking and I really enjoyed it from start to finish. Now it's even better. But yeah, the console versions were busted.
I feel like the greatest strength of Cyberpunk to me is how after playing it for 100+ hours over the span of a year… I still never fast travel I just wanna drive around the city and stop for random events all the time That first time wonder still never wore off for me
Agreed! I've played around 100 hours spread over my first and my current playthrough, I can probably count on two hands the amount of times I've fast travelled - and usually it's if I'm tired, about to go to sleep and just want to finish off this one thing on the other side of the city
honestly I have always hated the cyberpunk fast travel system, it seems to me an aberration, that's why I have never used it, fortunately when you drive the ride is beautiful and you enjoy it a lot.
Starfield is the first Bethesda game I’ve ever quit. I remember deciding to do dishes and laundry 3 hours into the game because that was more fun than starfield.
Same, i found myself just aching for that hand crafted, easily accessed and full of secrets/stories type vibe that bethesda usually nail. Starfield feels like a thin story loosely resting on top of a world with no soul or identity
I do think Starfield misses some of what makes the Bethesda formula work for most people. But there is still plenty to love. For me I also was a bit lost early on with how the game played. But after 10h I figured out the game pace, where the "good" stuff is and started loving the experience. Fully understand if you don't want to wait that long but I just finished my first character after 85h and I will say this game is more than worth diving into even though not everything is top notch content.
same, i was bethesda fan from Morrowind. the starfield experience isnt good as their previous games. i tried to like this game many times and its still disappointed me with buggy quests and boring combat.
No where near as bad as Fallout 4. I could buy a cart full of groceries at the store and come back home and the game would still be loading. I will take Starfield's loading screens any day.
@@Flight--tz5nf No, Fallout 4 had longer loading screens but not more. In Fallout you can walk from one end of the open world to the other without loading screens. Also Fallout 4 was developed when most people still used HDDs and just overall much slower computers and consoles. Starfield's "open world" is actually just hundreds of small hubs. And its even more brutally immersion breaking when you are in Neon and one simply side quest makes you look at loading screens literally a dozen times even if you never left the city. We are in freaking 2023 where consoles have some of the fastest SSD ever and comparable SSDs for PCs are also dirt cheap. They was Bethesda develops their games in insanely outdated. Look at Hogwarts Legacy where you can seamlessly go in and out of the huge castle. Or Jedi survivor where you can just go inside a cave system or abandoned base then leave and go inside your ship without any loading screens. Or the upcoming Spiderman 2 where it takes like 1.5 seconds to fast travel nearly anywhere in Manhattan. Heck even much older games like GTA 4 can work with much fewer loading screens.
@@MONSKI990 Skyrim still isn't good even to this day. People just let nostalgia get best of them because at the time it was revolutionary. Now a days? Not so much. Really goes to show just how dated the game is compared to other revolutionary titles that came out at the time as well.
I’m running this game on ps4, which doesn’t have the 2.0 version, and it has became one of my favorite games of all time, if not my favorite. The bugs don’t at all hinder the fun and wonder of the world.
Cyberpunk does something really well, you can text and receive messages from important NPCs that will substantially help you improve your relationship with them, without force you to go through some long boring dialogs. This allows the player to complete certain quests without having to return to said NPC. In Starfield, however, the ship has no comm system, you can't receive nor send messages to anyone, you are forced to travel across the galaxy just to speak 2 dialog lines in order to complete a certain quest.
It kinda makes sense, given how hard and how long it takes to send coms in space. They'd need to build relays everywhere, it's not like a single planet with a bunch of comsats all around. Unless they invent some kind of bullshit tech like a warp drive for communications, all we have are radio waves. ua-cam.com/video/6WFj-CKldv4/v-deo.html That said, there could be some kind of postal drones service to carry messages and parcels at warp speed across systems.
Wouldn’t you think sending a text message weights a few kilobytes to a planet a few light years away is easier than sending a spaceship weights a few hundred tons? So if they can make spaceship jumps light years, they should be able to do it with a text message right?
@@Texelion Sometimes QOL features have to take precedence over realism. If you want to start talking realism, let's start with how space does not behave like water.
As a game developer I can assure you it doesn't matter how old a game engine is if you know how to upgrade it over the years. You only need to go as far as the Unreal engine to understand how optimised and polished it is, and yet it is the same engine started 30 years ago, the difference is they are not lazy or rely on community to fix it for them. They iterate, constantly upgrade and polish to the bone.
Which is why Bethesda really has no excuse. Rather than either using a new engine or learning to polish and refine the one they've been using since the dawn of time they just repeatedly make excuses and rely on the modding community to accomplish what they should have done to begin with, and as shown in this video, lie about their poor optimization and go as far as blaming people for not having top end PC's to run their game, ignoring the fact that Console specs are locked and their game is poorly optimized for consoles as well. "Our game is perfect, you just need a PS7 to play it" Tod Howard Circa 2023 most likely.
@@VicViper1984 Truth is that upkeeping an engine is very expensive and time consuming, but considering the stupid amount of money Bethesda made in the past they have no excuses, for sure.
@@BlackRabbitDigitalP Yeah Bethesda is loaded after a dozen or more rereleases of Skyrim which still sells like hotcakes. If they were a small studio I'd absolutely understand the limitations surrounding maintaining an engine. But with the kind of scratch they're working with, they could easily do better.
The phantom liberty DLC is honestly meant to be played with the main game, it fits going back and forth, but saving it for later is certainly an option as well
@@DroosterH Yup, feel free to follow the main quest line there for a bit, you can go back and forth to the dlc area freely and you gain access to a few cool things right away, you will not be forced to finish the dlc
and is it true the game if you did 2 side quest the one i heard is rescue the president it will locked you out form the phantom liberty DLC, i heard also everyone not liking this feature?
@@Zul_H not quite sure what exactly you are referring to, just make sure you follow the main quest line for a bit, there are a few time sensitive missions to do, but it should be pretty obvious once you have some free time to do side gigs or explore
I'd say I love how Cyberpunk makes you feel like you are living in a real world, and not just a game. The TV, ads, radio hosts adds to the immersion factor and when you get to meet and talk with them in that party in Dogtown, it was like meeting a celebrity in real life. They had their own snarky personalities and quirks. You can also like hear about news about what's going on in Night CIty, like a BD studio making a certain type of BD on a prisoner's execution. I thought it was just some kind of one-off lore dump about how it usually goes down in NC. Didn't think much of it. But when I got to that gig, where you can directly influence this, oh man, that's when I knew this game is truly something. Oh yea, also, you can call and text in this game. ;P
Night City just has so much personality, sometimes when driving through Watson or Westbrook the architecture and density of details feels a bit overwhelming.
Bethesda seem to have swapped out the modern openworld idea of "something interesting should be happening every 40-50 seconds traversing a location" with "the player should be in a menu ever 40-50 seconds."
For me, what kills Starfield is the constant fast travel and the feeling that this is just many small instances glued together with loading screens. It just doesn’t feel like a living, breathing world like past Bethesda games. NPCs don’t have schedules anymore, shops are open 24 hours etc. I am now playing Cyberpunk after ditching it when it came out and it is the far superior game compared to Starfield.
Im trying hard to get into the game but those LS are killing me. Game has no rythm, it’s slow not because of the hatdware, i load fast, but still it kills the rythm. Having a load screen just to get out if a shop in new atlantis? Really? Come on guys. 🤷🏼
Procedural generation is the CGI of video games.... Also I love the irony Cyberpunk reworked there ENTIRE skill system due to it being too boring and just stat buffs..... and that's 90% of what Starfield's skills are.
procedural generation is a cancer, aside from very specific applications like minecraft or left 4 dead 2 enemy generation and that sort of thing, it shouldn't have a place in the gaming industry. It just makes companies lazy, uninspired and use game size as a selling point.
@marcola47 this. 100% it makes sense in worlds that don't need lore. But it has no place in real RPGs. Ever. It's just not good enough at this point to make interesting content.
@@adventurous_soles9899 Whenever I landed on a new planet in starfield I was not compelled at all to explore the vast km wide baren wasteland. It makes me sad to think that Starfield has NOTHING that makes bgs games good and EVERYTHING that makes bgs games bad. Like for fucks sake they dont even know why Skyrim to this day has 95% reviews on steam, they don't fucking know why people like their games. Starfield showed me that Elder Scrolls 6 is most likely to be a shitshow of antiquated game design for a 2040 game. I PRAY TO GOD that bethesda learns from other developers such as larian or cdpr what makes a good rpg, but, I'm not too hopeful.
It's funny because Starfield doesn't actually have procedual generation. They say they do but actually it's procedural-pre-generation - they generated a bunch of planets and put them in game. The game itself doesn't generate shit. The only thing generated is "which two of 9 possible pirate bases you'll have around your landing zone" and that's basically rolling a dice on the tile block. If they think that's procedural generation - well, I guess that's Bethesda thing, 20 years behind its competitors in every aspect. Hell, Diablo 2 had better "procedural generation" than Starfield and we all know it was nothing more than a tile-RNG.
Exactly what happened with me. Starfield ended up falling flat for me pretty quickly. I played it for awhile but then just lost interest. As soon as Cyberpunk 2.0 dropped with Phantom Liberty I immediately dumped upwards of 60 hours into it 😵💫
My “nah” moment was my first walk through New Atlantis and it just felt like a massive half empty retail park at about 4.50pm just before everything shuts on a weekend afternoon with depressed people milling about because they’ve got nowhere better to be. I was so excited to explore this flagship city of the future and….there was just nothing in it. Except the obligatory “save the tree” character. Starfield is the only BSG game where I had to force myself to play it in the hope it would improve (and it doesn’t). Mainly the menus and constant loading screens and requirement that you MUST fast travel to do almost anything, massive turn off for me. Went back to Skyrim.
I invited a pair of friends over to drink and take turns playing Starfield as it had come out on my birthday and that we all wanted to see if this was an improvement over FO4. It was so terrible and boring that not even alcohol was helping prop it up. None of us wanted to continue after 3 hours in and we all agreed to do something else instead.
I am biased toward cp2077 because I've been a big fan of the genre and of the TTRPG. CP2077 was my favorite game ever at release. The lore is absolutely brilliant. I might had spent 200h only exploring the city. I am glad people now are on the same page than me and can appreciate the game and Night City.
I had no experience with Cyberpunk and only started 3 weeks ago. The world CDPR brought to motion is beyond captivating. I often skip most cutscenes in video games. CP2077 grabbed my attention from the getgo with how impressive every aspect of each story is. They even get the neuances in facial animation down to a T.
It is very good, but people now loving it, is due to CD Project Red sticking with it and making sure they corrected their earlier mistakes, and implemented most of the features they earlier promised. It's not like people wasn't giving the game a chance. It was originally filled with a lot of bugs and issues, which is what turned people off in the first place. Also Edgerunners.
The Tabletop RPG is like that, every fan on the franchise was confused as hell on launch. Most of the cyberware from the tabletop was missing, now we have some of them. Feels like they listened to critique.
Yeah, they literally have subdermal armor and titanium bone replacements. But I like how they still give some clothing options with extra armor, like ballistic helmets and vests, which makes perfect sense.
Certainly a lot nicer than launch. Near maxed out armor (1421 out of 1500), so I reduce incoming damage by 59% plus 7% from pain editor -- and I can still get wrecked if enough enemies are shooting me... (2nd hardest difficulty)... end game fight against NUSA black ops soldiers at lvl60 is hard :0
@@Zombie1Boy I play on Very Hard with a stealth build, normal encounters are a breeze where I feel completely in control and powerful but the second someone is a bit beefier and survives my initial ambush I have to run and throw everything I have at them, feels really good difficulty wise.
Cyberpunk is the best game of the decade...maybe ever. I beat it a couple years ago and here I am dumping another 200 hours into it. I can't quit. Amazing environment, amazing characters, amazing gameplay and AMAZING stories. I love it.
I´ll jump in again when it goes on Sale on Steam or when I´ve got a little more Cash in my Steam-Account. Finished one Playthrough at Release and never touched it again, but it seems it has become much better with the latest Update & the DLC.
Excited for cyberpunk 2. After learning from past mistakes and already have the foundation/assets of cyberpunk world they made. Partnership with unreal engine 5 making insane progress + the implementing the best thing in red engine. cyberpunk 2 will be more fantastic overall than GTA 6 for sure. (With a shorter developer time. For comparison. GTA 6 has been in development since 2014-2025). Cyberpunk has 4 years development 2016-2020). Even rockstar have more devs working on it and billion budget. Hoping they are not making another glorified online roleplay game for streamers.
@@Katniss0000 I wish they make Cyberpunk 2 an actual RPG, you know where we have full agency over our character and its decisions and not getting stuck with Johnnys story after the first act demoting us to a mere passenger in our own main story.
@@hammurabii.3173 That is why I want custom characters than Premade characters. I can't fully immerse myself in games like Witcher 3, Rdr2, etc. I can control them but they are still not ME. but cyberpunk is still better in immersion. With Premade characters there is no difference from watching it in youtube and playing it. Baldurs Gate 3 is good but I don't like turn based game. ------------------------------------ that is why bethesda are successful with skyrim and fallout. And Fromsoft Elden Ring. you could be anyone.
Baldurs Gate and Cyberpunk have one of the BEST opening sequences ever that HOOK you immediately in their world. Starfield opens with……mining stuff. Not only that, the dialogue in Starfield has NO conflict in conversations which make them so boring and monotonous. Even after 20 hours in Starfield, the dialogue is sooooo boring.
It's funny how Starfield supposedly took 8 years to develop but if I got really nitpicky I could easily make a several hour long video about all the things it does wrong. I'm not a game dev I make RPA stuff but I don't understand where did all that dev time went when it's a huge company with hundreds of people and pretty much all the money they needed. Several assets are from their previous games and a huge part of the game is procedurally generated. Even if you only count CP2077 finished with the 2.0 patch that is what other companies could achieve in 8 years. Even Baldur's Gate 3 took 6 and FromSoftware made Sekiro, Elden Ring and Armore Core 6 in the span of 8 years with less people. BG3 has like 150 hours worth of handcrafted content in a single playthrough and the 3 FromSoft games combined are closer to 200.
When I fired up Starfield I felt like it was a game that came out 10 years ago. From the janky faces, npc interactions, ui and inventory interface. Felt like a decade old game. Except that ten years ago games had maps in them, not so this one.
Some of my fave games are old. Starfield should be better than it is, but it isn't as terrible as people keep saying. It isn't amazing, but for me at least, it is the game I've dumped the most hours into in years, and I had a good time the whole way, first few hours were kinda iffy but after 5 - 8 hours I was hooked.
@@mraso30really? I am always surprised when people say they liked starfield. It just felt an inferior version of fallout to me. Not even comparable to mystique and awe of Skyrim and others in Elder Scrolls series. Particularly the loading screens, gosh they were annoying. Didn't care about the map that much, but the lack of freedom to explore, and the lack of meaningful content on planets was grating for me. I think the fact that i rarely do story missions played a part in it too. For me the entire point of open world Games is that i can do anything I want. Go and explore in any direction I want and so on. Starfield just didn't have that. As a developer myself, to me it was super apparent that it was not a cohesive world, but a small set of maps, stitched together by the annoying loading screens. I guess maybe people who play differently are not affected that much.
I stuck with it since animations and graphics isn’t the end all be all of a great game but everything just felt underdeveloped. I played 160 hours, only really pushing it that far just to see everything there was (quests, new game plus, factions, planets), hoping that maybe the next hour would just make the game click for me but it just never did.
Crazy how I poured 72 hours into Starfield, and haven't touched it since the honeymoon phase was over - kept waiting for that "thing" both Skyrim and Fallout provided
Ngl for me skyrim's "thing" that made the game click was systematically stalking and killing citizens of riverwood and disintigrating their remains in alvor's forge. Which sounds psychotic but it's the fact that you COULD do that to some random inconsequential nobody at all was the craziest thing to me
@@nobodyimportant4778 that’s great for Skyrim, but for a game in the future, everyone in town would immediately become aware of what your doing lol, and run away or have you arrested. So it wouldn’t make sense to do that
@@inzane456 Even Human Revolution has a far more unique art style and more immersive atmosphere. Not to mention far better writing and actually interesting gameplay.
I purchased early access for starfield and returned it after 30 hours to then buy it back. I started a new game and clocked in 130 hours and I never ended up finishing it. The real meat of the game is the faction quests, everything else feels very vanilla and has that "I feel like I've played this before" feeling. It's not a bad game but I'm disappointed that it's this shallow, like a puddle but it's as vast as an ocean. Cyberpunk 2077 on the other hand I love like it's my own child. I've 100 completed the game 3 times. Every time it leaves me wanting more.
With the way you describe Starfield, its a bad game that you wish was good. That is okay. The gravest disappointment was that you were promised a good game and were lied to by the developers who decided their greed was more important than delivering the very product they promised. Accepting that Starfield is objectively bad will bring peace. "A vast ocean that is only an inch deep" says it all. Nothing meaningful can live in such a place. You are not alone in this disappointment, and because everyone else has gotten this and played it and discovered this, I have decided to not invest my money in this game. It's just not worth it.
I actually felt the same way at first I didn’t like it but the more I played the more I loved it. I just play star field very differently now. Now the meat of the game for me is exploration, outpost building and ship customization everything else feeds and funds those activities until they come out with (God willing) good expansions that’s fills the world in more. I’m waiting for mods to come to the Xbox and im praying Todd and his team doesn’t fuck up on expansions. I haven’t played cyber punk yet but the thing I don’t like about it is the punk techy look of the game that’s not the kind of future I like I like star fields vision of the future better but dam
I played through all of Crimson fleet and rangers and half way through Vanguard and that corporation. If this was the "meat" of the game, it would be a slice of grey, limp, boiled, gristly, unseasoned meat.
I agree. I just recently finished the main campaign of Starfield, and i felt like i was just going through the motions playing it. Then i start playing new Cyberpunk dlc Phantom Liberty and in the first 20 minutes had more fun and excitement than i did playing the entire Starfield campaign.😂😂Bethesda better go back to the drawing board, because their style of gaming is outdated.
@@coleandres2154 They made one "great" game and have been rehashing the exact same thing with minor tweaks, gimmicks and a facelift ever since. Then one of those rehashes was popular enough that they remade it a dozen times and made money off of how undiscerning their core audience is each time. You must be one of em.
You can also get a skill that allows you to action dismount vehicles (as well as the one that allows sandevistan usage) so with enough skill, you can literally handle high speed car chases by exiting your vehicle with super speed and killing all of the enemies while on foot, then reentering your car before it even loses momentum.
Bethesda, Bioware and Blizzard are a shell of their former selves. Indies are where it's at. Larian was once an indie studio and look at what a privately owned passionate and dedicated studio can do. Shareholder ownership is the death of anything creative! Edit: I still have some vague hope that Starfield being this mid and getting heavily criticized will be a wake up call for Bethesda's leadership that something needs to change. I just want TES 6 to be great please.
Did we all play the same game? Cyberpunk one of the most immersive stories and world? With Johnny constantly appearing, npcs glitching and not reacting to world event's... hell they can't even drive. Comparing the story and world and npcs in Witcher 3 to that in Cyberpunk is leaps and bounds. Starfield isn't any better but to me Cyberpunk and starfield have been failures. They just didn't do enough or do anything good enough to warrant praise. That story in Cyberpunk was such a bore and those endings were a letdown. Not sure how that's immersive....
Came back to Cyberpunk for 2.0 and went with the Blade Tech focused build. Its a lot of fun dashing towards enemies slicing them up. Double jump + Air Dash, you can move so quickly through the city!
Intro is the best sum up of Starfield ever 😆 And yeah, CP2077 had a phoenix treatment, it's completely new bird with whole lot of things going on. I played it to death even on launch, and now it feels like new game. Some of my favorite builds become so much more fun, like haunted netrunner with new cyberdeck and op quick hacks, where you constantly hear AI whispering "death to all humans" every time you use it, and V is like "yeah yeah, another chatty construct, shut up, buddy, will ya?" So funny.
Huh? Which one is that? I played cyber-monkey ninja this time (stopped in the middle of the game last time, finally finished the game with update 2.0 this week). My next play would probably focus on intelligence and technical ability... So I would be happy to hear about this if you can
I did a ninjarunner build (20 int, 20 ref, 15 body, 6 tech, 20 cool) and yes you can use a sandevistan to slow time while your maxed reflexes allow for an air dash and increased dash speed toward enemies. The new hacking system also helps quickhacks spread faster so taking out a room full of people is super easy and fun. This is post Phantom Liberty and the extra points from the increased level cap really helped me fine tune it. I'm about to start another playthrough to see what else I can do!
@@emmanuelobodozie713 this is just wrong lol. there are 60 attribute points which allows 3 level 20 and one level 18 or in this case 3 level 20, one level 15, and one level 6. EDIT: to clarify there are 60 levels, 81 attribute points total counting the ones you start with.
damn this video hits hard, already felt fallout 4 outdated compared to witcher 3 with the full motioncap in cutscenes and dialogue at the time but now in 2023 we have cyberpunk 2.0/phantom and bg3 absolutely stunning visuals and worldbuilding. starfield is made for toddlers with its glorified artifect fetch quest simulation as MSQ, i'd even argue that wrex from the original mass effect in 2007 is better than entire constellation companion cast.
I've had a lot of fun with Starfield, but yes, it's the engine that's really holding it back. I went back to AC Odyssey yesterday, and I can walk, run or ride across Greece without a single loading screen, but in Starfield most exterior to interior changes and vice versa force a loading screen, though oddly not all. It also has odd freezes with I don't get in other games, and the sound and visuals frequently don't match up. I don't think they've pushed the boundaries at all, more like they expect your PC to make up for the inadequacies of their design.
Got CP2077 back last fall, played on my XboxOne and although it clearly needed to be played on a next gen console, it was still playable to an extent and had me hooked with the environment, the gameplay, the combat aesthetics, everything. Once I upgraded to an Xbox Series X, it’s been by far my favorite open world game to play. One of the best, well written stories I’ve ever played and the game was massively improved with their updates.
Dive headfirst into the neon-soaked streets with Cyberpunk's Phantom Liberty DLC, and believe me when I say, it's a digital masterpiece! The attention to detail? Absolutely unparalleled. The characters have such intricate facial details, it'll have you wondering if you've stepped out of the game and into a new reality. And let's not even talk about the skyline - I often find myself scaling the tallest skyscrapers, not for any mission, but to simply breathe in that intoxicating, electrifying city view. It's more than just eye candy; it's a futuristic ambiance that immerses you completely. Ready to get lost in the cyber-daze? Welcome to the next level of gaming euphoria.
I agree, CP2077 just captivated me with the world more. Starfield just took to long to develop and it was a space shooter traveling around planets. We had so many of them. I tried it and after i got off the first planet, i was like so this is what its going to be like. Uninstalled and it was on game pass too lol
Great video. Reminds me of my amazing experience with Oblivion; final character I made was built from ground up to break the game, I remember picking the right race, sign, leveling stats just right and with the right items I had over 100% to both reflect magic and physical damage. Took countless hours but finally achieving this and being able to nuke anything without lifting a finger was incredible. There really was a certain magic that Morrowind/Oblivion era Bethesda had which I just isn't there for me anymore especially since Starfield launched it really drove that home for me. A shame, I hope Bethesda can change/modernize their approach to game design for ES6, along with proper overhaul/modernization of the Creation engine and its systems while properly eliminating the decades of tech debt. It'll cost a fortune and a few years but under the MS umbrella there's no excuse if they really want to stick with Creation and ES6 have a positive reception across the board and have another Skyrim moment. CP2077 on the other hand has really made exploration alot of fun and rewarding. Found a random Braindance on the ground in an alley which took me right into a flashback of the Edgerunners anime and kicked off a side quest related to David Martinez. Incredible. This is the kind of experience we need in our modern western RPGs
Playing through CP2077 again, and I love it. I think Night City and the surrounding wasteland filled with kipple, is one of the most beautiful open worlds ever made. You could just keep releasing DLC in this massive open world, unlocking doors and fleshing out new interiors, and keep this game going for a decade. Starfield? Major let down. So many dropped balls and missed opportunities. I think the art team is super talented at Bethesda, and there is some beautiful art direction all around, but I just hate the fast travel from box to box. It actually interferes with my immersion and fun. And even with the ship builder, I don’t care to fly in my spaceship at all, and for a game like this, that is the biggest ball drop. And because Skyrim uses Creation Engine, I can almost bet the farm, we will all see the same shortcomings and have the same disappointments. Thanks for the vid.
Cyberpunk's the kinda game that i don't mind going AFK and stare at the screen while V does nothing. it can get really immersive and the graphics are stunning along with the BGM. Can't say the same about SF...
Just finished my 3rd play through of CP, I think I had about 100 hours in and loved it. I played star field for 3 hours yesterday and couldn’t get into it. Probably done with it.
Hitting level 50 then making new game saves to play phantom liberty since I really wanted to try out new builds with new content. Also I find myself listening to the lore of the game at work and wow is this world freaking wild
@@faherty87check out stuff about the old net and Rache Bartmoss and the datakrash, as well as stuff about the Blackwell (those videos may have spoilers for parts of the game though
I tried playing fallout 4 again a few months ago, i loved it when it first came out but now when i try to play it i just lose motivation to even get past the first few missions. I got that way with starfield in the first few hours and just pushed through till i felt like i was coming home from work to just drag myself through more work. I can get how a game loses its charm when you try to replay it but how do you get that feeling before you even finish it the first time.
The same happened to me when I tried to replay Skyrim a few years back. When it came out I finished all questlines and explored everything, even did some generated quests. But when I tried again I was just not motivated to do anything and was bored. And I got fed up with Starfield around 40 hours in.
If you feel the Fallout 4 itch ever again the only way to play it is on Survival Mode. Makes the rest of the games systems (settlements, food, map design) have impact and meaning. Everything is a challenge but not impossible to overcome and by end game you feel like you've survived the wasteland through planning, whits, and determination.
Agreed and despite it feeling outdated, FO4 is 100x more enjoyable than Starfield. I’m not sure I can even go back to a Bethesda game after Cyberpunk. It raised the bar to a standard I’ve never experienced before. Everything about it feels alive. The city, the characters, even the random NPCs. My only complaint is that I wanted more. More dialogue, more stories, more people to meet. I felt so sad after the quest lines started to wrap up.
I'm not an open world enjoyer, I like them, but don't love them. But I love Cyberpunk 2077, even pre-2.0. They already did a lot of work fixing bugs and such between release and 2.0, with 2.0 being the cherry on top. I got my first playthrough on the pre-2.0 and it was already a good game by that point (around March/April of this year) but coming back to with 2.0 has relighted the love I have for the game.
I have always been a fan of open world games, before cyberpunk I was always a fan of GTA, I know cyberpunk is not GTA, but for some reason I love cyberpunk more now.
@@jessicaguarin3897 given the revamp I am not surprised, you now have a proper wanted system, vehicle combat, random drive by and high-speed chases. And it doesn't trivialise being the most wanted, once your at five stars it is near impossible to escape, and I have tried, even with cheats. Only once have I managed to escape the NCPD so far at five stars.
I've recently restarted Cyberpunk using the Luke Ross VR mod. I understand VR isn't everyone's bag, but it is absolutely amazing. Before, I used to fast travel everywhere, but with the VR, I hop in a car or on a bike and just enjoy the drive and the city. If something is happening nearby while I'm driving, I'll sometimes stop and check it out. If anything, I'd recommend a melee build because shooting guns is a bit janky in the VR mod. But man, you feel like you're in it.
I am sad about Starfield. Those are the two whole awesome things about Bethesda games for me - the stories and the sense that I could find anything at all out there in the world. When I got off the prison ship in Seyda Neen, Morrowind, and the Empire let me out free and sent me to an undercover operative because I fulfilled the criteria of an ancient prophecy of the province, and the Imperial government thought it was nonsense, but there was a political Situation unfolding, and as the game unfolds, you wonder whether it's real.... SUCKED IN. I was so sucked in. And I didn't get spit back out until now. :(
Nail on the head. Starfield lacks that inherent intrigue in almost all of its quest lines. You don’t really feel like a member of any faction, or like you’re special in any way. Even when you get the powers, everyone around makes one comment about it and then doesn’t delve into it any deeper.
The story is the absolute worst part of the game. I don’t really mind games feeling old if they are still fun or provide a good experience. But goddamn, the story is god awful, the dialog feels like it was written by tweens. Whatever the writers were paid it was too much and I do sincerely hope they don’t work on other games.
Love Cyberpunk. One of the best games I've played (already couple of playthroughs) and I've never been so invested. Love the world, story, style & gameplay. You've got to try it at least.
Yeah that's great but as someone who's loving Starfield I grow really tired of these comparisons. Why don't you guys compare Cyberpunk 2077 AT RELEASE to Starfield at-release? Oh right because CP2077 was trash at release while Starfield is at least a playable complete game you can enjoy.
@@Reclaimer77"complete game" I wouldn't say that. For a "space" game, the actual space environment is just a backdrop. The faction quest lines are.. Fine. But there's a major lack of choice. The only major choice I can think of is SysDef or Pirates. Nothing else you do actually reflects on the universe you're in. The precedural generation element causes the game to just feel repetitive, and not worth exploring. As someone who loved Fallout 3, and New Vegas, and Fallout 4 (disappointing), and Cyberpunk, I wouldn't take either. If I could get all my time back that I put into starfield and just watch a cliff notes version, I would. The whole thing just wasn't fulfilling, and it didn't feel like it respected my time. The key difference between the two at launch that really matters though is this: CDPR didn't want the game released in that state. That wasn't at all the plan for the devs. If they could have delayed to give us the full 2.0 at launch, they would have. Bethesda intended to release Starfield as it is now. This is the final product. A very lazy, barely rpg which locks basic mechanics behind a bad perk system, with choices that don't matter, NPCs who can't be killed, all your companions share the same thoughts on all your decisions, the space settling is horribly misused. This was how they made it on purpose.
@@faded1to3black I'm not reading all this. There's zero comparison to the Starfield launch and the disaster the CP2077 launch was. Just absurd that after YEARS of fixes and content patches we're comparing it to Starfield as-is which hasn't had time for either.
@@Reclaimer77 The thing is that even though Cyberpunk came out like shit, you could see that it had potential, I played from day 1 and I won't lie to you, the bugs were normal but the story was SO GOOD and the secondary characters were SO GOOD that I just loved the game, Starfield doesn't have that.
It's important that Bethesda gets proper feedback on Starfield so that they don't repeat the same mistakes in Elder Scrolls 6. Going into Starfield they kept insisting that they knew exactly what people wanted... and they really missed the mark.
Crazy how cyberpunk was in my digital library Uninstalled, and starfield made me want to play again. Haven't touched it since it's launch so with the 2.0 it kinda feels brand new again. Starfield started hot but soon fell flat. Didn't expect that happen
Gotta say, I'm one of the ones that was very satisfied with Cyberpunk at launch. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. Bugs? Heck ya. Lots of immersion breaking bugs. But the thing is, the foundations were already strong. It also helped that I avoided all the marketing stuff. I went in without any expectations.
Typical cyberpunk shill post. You guys are missing the point that people wanted RPG and Cyberpunk is not that. Granted, it is a good action adventure but devs promised the whole different experience.
@@KolinarK I mean, when I play CP2077, I am 100% roleplaying as V. Would you say Witcher 3 isnt an RPG? You say we're shills. I say your definition of RPG is stuck in the 90s, early 00s.
@@KolinarK I've never been a big fan of RPG games and cyberpunk2077 didn't catch my attention for that reason, it caught my attention for how cool it looks and feels, for its story, its aesthetics and its environment.
@@CptVeinthat guy gave possibly one of the most low IQ definitions of an RPG ive ever read. A take so stupid, it wasnt even worth you replying to lmfao. Guys an idiot
Played cyberpunk over the summer before 2.0 but after most of the game breaking bugs had been removed. It was honestly a really good experience the story had me hella immersed I left thinking it was a top 3 game for me. Baldurs gate usurped it really quickly but I had a great time I’m excited to try the 2.0/dlc
@@gagebyers1057baldur's gate excels in other areas imo. It's not necessarily trying to be immersive like Cyberpunk, it's trying to enhance the game of DnD to a higher level than one could achieve playing the game normally.
Yeah since update 1.6 which was a bit over a year ago (the Edgerunners update as I call it) the game has been REALLY fucking good. Now with 2.0 and Phantom Liberty I think it’s almost perfect. I’d rate it at least a 9/10, one of my favourite games of all time for sure
I don't know if I'm remembering it wrong but supposedly one of the probs with cp2077 was that they were hitting the limits of what their engine could do. That kind of makes sense given that they are now saying no more cp2077 dlc because they are switching engines. This is good long term because it will give them more powerful tools but in the short term it makes me worry a bit because they have to learn a lot of new stuff. And they did the shareholder profit pleasing move of laying off workers while down cycled until they have to hire more when things shift up... which means they lose some institutional knowledge base, and will have less time getting up to speed with the new engine when it's time to hire more ppl. I wish instead of boom bust profit seeking, game companies maintained a steady staff, and when things are slow, they have their staff working on the engine, building tools to make asset implementation and models easier, optimising their libraries, so when they want to go full production they don't need to hire more people because the ones they have are more productive. As for the games themselves... Seeing all the coverage of Starfield has turned me off. I'll get it when it's on a deep sale. If it was just one thing I'd still get it immediately and lose myself in it, but hearing that that primary exploration is via menu and seeing how simple the skills and perks are... It seems to be a shallow but much broader Mass Effect, with worse story and worse combat just lots more stuff. For cp2077, I was one of the lucky people with a potato PC who got no serious bugs and had a blast at release. Years later with a better PC, patch 2.0 both brings me back to something I already thought was really fun, and gets all these people to have the fun I already had.
Do you really wish that companies would do things that aren’t profitable tho???? Because the end result of that isn’t that you would just get amazing games all of a sudden because dev teams are so kind and loving… you would just gradually stop getting AA/AAA games as the industry shrunk and shrunk over time and they’d be less ambitious. What you need to do, if you want to get the result you want, is convince the consumer base to desire the same things as you. The market is just a reflection of what people spend money on. Supply and demand
@Cluckstopper there's short term profitable vs long term profitable and the big corps are currently gaming short term stuff that will bite them in the ass as aaa games get funneled into narrower and narrower types, and their workers get ticked enough to unionise then force them to do what I was suggesting anyway, except with the additional pain of dealing with a union. This is exactly what happened to cdpr, which got multiple layoffs in a row despite big profits, and then the devs unionised. Cdpr has not yet recognised the union and there are likely to be suits brought before Labour boards. Their short term profit taking with 3 rounds of layoffs is going to hit them with instability and long term disruption. That's going to happen more and more.
@@v312ym34n_is_very_mean what do you consider “long term”? I don’t entirely disagree but I think what you’re missing is that short term profits are required to maintain long term goals, and the gaming industry is already running on fairly thin margins nowadays.
This is so on point for both games. Basically my exact thoughts when I played both games. I wanted to love SF and was basically heartbroken when uninstalling it to make space for the Lies of P, and Cyberpunk devoured my mind. I've not been young for a while now and I'm staying up past 2AM just playing this game. Incredible feeling.
I'm glad Starfield exists. It wouldn't run on my 2060super alienware so I upgraded. Now cyberpunk looks amazing. finished it 2 times before the upgrade. 3rd time with the new. And now waiting on some more mods and tuning and will finish it a fourth time.
Wait so you spent all this money to upgrade your computer to play a game you don't even want to play, when cyberpunk would've run just fine on your 2060 super?
@@Sneakyboson??? He didnt know Starfield would be this boring when he purchased it clearly, but thankfully at least he got to enjoy Cyberpunk in its full glory. Not the other way around
As someone who’s never really gotten into Bethesda’s style of games, it’s nice to see everyone kind of being where I was 12 years ago when Skyrim came out.
i think what makes these 2 different is that, had cyberpunk launched without the bugs, it would of been a great game. Starfield is just fundamentally broken
Its great that Starfield seems generally stable, even if the load screens are a pain. But despite having a whole new setting to explore, its clear that Bethesda is falling back on its preferred design patterns. But Cyberpunk 2077 and the Witcher 3 did much more dynamic cutscenes, Prey had much more elegant systems for menu management and many others innovated on the core pillars, I think all those are worth examining and building upon. So its natural for players to contrast against those experiences and hold it to a higher standard.
The two most interesting instances of gaming subverting expectations in the last year: 1) The Callisto Protocol being terrible despite being created by the original co-creator of the first Dead Space; while the EA-lead remake of the original Dead Space ending up being fucking amazing. 2) Starfield ends up being mid at best, less about space exploration and more about fast travel. It has more in common with The Outer Worlds than No Man's Sky. Meanwhile, CyberPunk's 2.0 update and DLC end up making the game an instant recommendation. What universe are we in? What is this timeline?
6:07 While there are parts that look interesting in Starfield even from it's announcement I said to myself "this looks like The Outerworld but without any of the charm or style" most reviews I've seen of the game seem to prove that impression right. I don't think the game looks like a bad game, just one i've kind of already played better versions of before.
I've seen a lot of people talk badly about Starfield, in all honesty the moment I heard about it every ounce of care I had was gone in an instant. Had friends telling me "It'll be great, Bethesda wouldn't mess up again after 76 you'll see!" or "Everything about it will be new." Didn't take long for me to realise how blinded they were. The more news that came out, the more venom you could feel rising at the back of your throat. But and here's the main thing Bethesda should've learnt, that Todd Howard should've learnt. At least listen, and don't make fun of people. Someone says your game isn't optimised? Don't just say "Upgrade your pc." because it's going to make you look like a massive throbbing bell end. Even the guy next to Todd chuckled at his response, don't know who he was though. Either way, it's just going to make people hate you. Saint's row reboot is one game where nobody listened to the fans, and we know what happened. I didn't buy starfield, never going to play it. Lost faith in bethesda after fallout 4, with so many things wrong with that game. Looking at Starfield gameplay from space combat, story and everything in between. I just say screw it, because I highly doubt it's going to get better. With what I've heard and seen, I can confidently say they looked at space games to try and mix them all into starfield. No man sky, things like destiny or borderlands, anything that is popular and cocked it up royally. Because they don't trust the players, have passion, and have a writing team worthy of praise. You shouldn't have your players be the most famous person in every single faction at the same time. Because then it makes no sense. You reply with what ever, I don't care how angry some of you will be reading this. A game like 76 came out in 2018, two years before CP2077. In less than three years, CPR did their damndest to make the game how it should've been. Bethesda pawned 76 to one of there other studios somewhere, pretty sure I heard somewhere that modders they hired are working on 76 now. Can't be sure on that. If it's true though then they literally are just letting the modders fix their games. Fallout 76 still isn't good. If you made it this far have a metaphorical high five, an old Thenthapple saying. Don't let love blind you, because it's one sided. You give bethesda 80% they barely give you 30, both in trust, and framerate. And if you genuinely did read through this, christ was reading some long ramble from some weirdo from the internet really interest you that much? Maybe I could give like space combat recommendations I guess? Star wars battle front 2 2005 i guess. Space combat is fun on that. Plus people are still playing it so you can find a lobby.
I was hyped for starfield but the trailer started giving me red flags. Everything looked so bland. I still played on day one gamepass and quickly realized the trailer wasn't lying.
its just mixed between people who value their money and time and the people who do not... people forget that bethesda is backed by zenimax and microsoft, two behemoths and that they charged 70usd minimum for Starfield. This is what they can deliver with all that? A mediocre, buggy, impractical, boring (sometimes infuriating), inconsistent and contradictory experience? They should be bashed, held accountable...
Cyberpunk makes me feel something and the last time I had that feeling was rdr2 I played starfield for 80+ hours could not be bothered to finish it after CP 2.0 update
The space travel is a problem. You should occasionally and randomly be knocked out of hyperspace and find yourself in a situation. You should be able to cruise between planets in a system and have random encounters.
Starfeld is the first game I quit in a long time to me it feels lifeless. But with cyberpunk 2077 (yes it was buggy) I love it now it feels more like the pen and paper game
I pirated Starfield and i still wanted a refund of my time and bandwidth. I pirated cyberpunk and i bought it the same day and then bought Phantom Liberty on release day. I still boot cyberpunk just to walk around. I still think of Starfield and all the fanboys coping hard they wasted 70 bucks in it and convincing others the game becomes good after 15 hours.
One of the reasons why Cyberpunk excels at immersing players within its world is due to its abundance of gameplay options, vast story, and significant replay value. The gameplay itself is truly exhilarating, and CDPR has successfully made the ability to impact events within the game a key focus. With nearly 4k hours spent playing over the past 3 years, Cyberpunk has become my all-time favorite universe and media. It’s an unforgettable and captivating immersive experience with plentiful possibilities.
The finer details really keep me immersed. Like your screen lightly bobbing indicating breaths and various subtle movements. Not to mention the random gang fights. Plus now with 2.0 the police chases and getting hunted down give that wicked adrenaline pump.
Totally agree. Can’t lie, I bought into the Starfield hype train 💯!! Had high hopes after installing. Several hours into it along with several more do overs?? I just couldn’t get invested into it. It just felt meh to me. My son was also interested in purchasing but was swayed by reviews to hold off until Christmas in hopes of any improvements. Tbh I’m not sure what I was expecting but will make an eventual return in the new year.
We are the same on nearly every point in this video. Even up to Oblivion being the first Bethesda game played and loved. I really hope modders fix and make Starfield more worth playing.
Imagine you're a game dev and management asks you to make a futuristic game with a rehashed 20 year old engine. Bethesda has been living in the past this entire time. Just look at how many times they released skyrim.
I modernized my PC for this very reason for FH5, but got such huge gain I ended up playing Jedi Survivor on PC instead of console and all my older games benefited a lot to the point I can play most at max settings.
My history with CP2077: - Finished the CP2077 base game at least 6 times; twice with each career path. - Finished the DLC twice from a previous end-game save for both good/bad endings. - Currently playing the game from start to finish (with DLC) as a Nomad. - Plan on playing it from start to finish at least two more times so I can experience everything with all three career paths. My history with Starfield: - Finished it twice just to make different choices with the CF and SysDef questline and romance another companion. - Haven't touched it in weeks and I don't play to touch it ever again unless there's an absolutely massive DLC that's longer than the base game. After the first NG+ playthrough it completely falls flat. - I still play Fallout 4 and Skyrim to this day.
I feel the same way. I generally like Bethesda games, and Oblivion is still my favorite. Skyrim was good but not as great as Oblivion, but it was more up-to-date and enjoyable. Same with Fallout 3/4. I heard about the Fallout 76 horrendous launch, which has kept me away. After Starfield, I have more hope for Skyblivion than a good Elder Scroll game from Bethesda. Starfield felt like a bait-and-switch for me. While the game was showcased in the best light possible, I am so glad I opted for the Game Pass for Windows instead of buying it on Steam/GMG at 70 USD. It was tempting to get the $90 version, but I knew it was a Bethesda game, and it would be a buggy game. Paying for an early release is just horrible for single-player games. If it was online, paying for early release would ease the company into a soft launch and help the server from being overwhelmed. I tried liking Starfield; I played about 90 hours, and I just had enough, especially the slow leveling and the perk system seriously hindering the experience for specific play styles. For example, stealth gameplay needs to be fixed. People have put videos of their "stealth builds," it is awful, more like speed-running the base and killing the enemies without triggering the alarm. While it is impressive, it is terrible for methodical stealth play. Melee combat in this game is horrendous as your health goes down quickly, and you need to rely on med kits. You have a minimal option when it comes to weapons, as well. By the time the game becomes "enjoyable," you need to sink at least 40 hours into the game, leveling up your carrying capacity, oxygen, combat skills, and weapon proficiency, leveling up your piloting... I just got bored being forced to play the game one way. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand, did have a rocky launch. I played it on PC and enjoyed it. I had a few bugs, but nothing drastic. Mainly played for the fixer Gigs, NCPD scanners, and just goofing around. I spent about 150 hours playing the game and left Dex waiting. Whenever a new patch was launched, I restarted the game and refused to play the game's story until the game was "fixed." I enjoyed the game's freedom to build your character how you want. Right out the bat, when you get your freedom to play the game, you have many options of weapons and skills you can play with. Most often, once I did 100% of Watson, I was already level 42, which was enough to play whatever build I wanted. When 2.0 and Phantom Liberty were released, I played the game from the beginning again for the 6th time. Primarily focusing on the story this time. When I finished the Voodoo Boys mission, I received a call from Song Bird, and triggered the mission to enter Dog Town. I do believe what a lot of reviewers said. Cyberpunk 2077 feels like a whole new game, especially for the skill tree revamp and many recent updates in the 2.0 release. Phantom Libery is incredible, and all I can say is If this is what CDPR has now, I can't wait for what Cyberpunk 2/Orion will be like. Moving from the Red Engine to the Unreal Engine means they have something to work with, and I can't wait. Sadly, Starfield isn't on my GOTY list. There have been a lot of good games this year, and it is tough to pick, but Baldur's Gate 3 is a solid contender for being #1, at least for me. It's a game that seriously has broken the internet and game chart for months since its release. Tears of the Kingdom would be a runner-up. So many great games are released this year, like Hogward's Legacy and Resident Evil 4 Remake. Dead Space remake, Jedi Survivor, Like a Dragon Ishin, and a few like Spiderman 2 that still need to be released, TBD. 2023 is overall a fantastic year for gaming.
Kind of insane hearing your experience with framrates after you explained your build. There is something very clearly wrong with the way this game uses Nvidia graphics cards, I have a radeon 6800xt (about the same as a 3080) with very similar other specs to you and I averaged around 70-80 frames in new Atlantis. Regardless, both our cards should be pushing way more frames than this, but its hard to ignore the favoritism towards AMD be it intentional or not. Really hoping they can further optimize, but their precambrian Era game engine has me doubtful.
Imagine if Starfield had a hardcore Survival mode, where you had to actually prepare to go from planet to planet. And where there was a chain of planets you had to progress through. Go to planet X, and get these minerals you need to upgrade your suit. You need the upgraded suit in order to go to planet Y without dying in 10 seconds from the extreme conditions. The fact you can go anywhere sounds cool only in practice. It removes all sense of progression, and all sense of danger or feelings of success, and sense of accomplishment.
if starfield just -hired voice actor for your characters lines -updated combat -replaced quicktravel with maybe zoom animations like eve online - updated character graphics i would honestly rate it super high. i get the whole several mini maps compiled to one big world and zoom on character faces to pick box xyz is how bethesda has done every game but its just so outdated especially considering they have the money and skill to make interactions feel real like cyberpunk does.
I have fully completed all of starfield and have done all I can see. I have found that the problem with the game is there is no urgency to do anything even with the main quest which just makes the game stale and boring.
One interesting detail, since you mentioned Oblivion... Damn, the character faces in Starfield even felt like a step down in comparison to Oblivion, when you look at it in retrospective. Hell, I can even remember seeing that speechcraft minigame for the first time, thinking it was best thing ever and best usage of technology at the time. With all those faces changing expressions from angry to happy to surprised (Even Khajiit characters lowering their ears while angry, like the feline they are 😄). Same thing happened when you hold out your weapon and pointing it at their direction, making them all suspicious and angry and you could see that in their potato-shaped faces. It was wonderful. Makes you wonder if Bethesda even tries nowadays...
It always annoys me when people tell me "It gets better after X hours." Why? Why is the game making me go through X hours before it gets good? Why isn't it good from the beginning? Imagine if you go to a restaurant, and decided that food tasted bland. Then another client tells you that it gets better if you eat here 10 times. What?
Good games hook you from the start. The first hour playing a game should grab you and keep you. If it doesn't, it's a bad game. Period. Anybody saying otherwise is an apologist for bad design.
I hate that argument, people are getting confused with the time it takes to get used to playing being the time it takes to like it, I knew I liked the game well before I felt like I understood how the systems worked, it took me probably 8-10 hours to get a feel for scanning, menu nav, ship control and combat, etc. I feel like that’s where people are getting confused telling people they’ll like it after that amount of time, but to be honest as a fan of the game if you didn’t think you’ll like the it by the time the tutorials done you’re right lol. Don’t bother wasting time getting used to it just to come to the same conclusion
Let's stick to the topic of the video. First two hours of Starfield: You ride down in a slowest elevator in the universe, listen through some exposition dump, grab a mining lazor and mine some rocks listening to more exposition dump, you find some kind of artifact, you go back to the elevator listening to more exposition dump, you wait for a ship to land to listen to some more exposition dump, pirates attack, you get your ship, you deliver artifact to Constellation - game begins. First two hours of Cyberpunk: You have this smuggling job that goes tits up, you meet Jackie, you get this job from Dex that will make you rich, you need to prepare for the heist, you meet with a cyber-prostitute that gives you recording from her brain of the penthouse you are supposed to raid, then you steal a spider-bot from bunch of cyborg-looking psycho junkies, then you infiltrate the hotel, you find the package, Saburo Arasaka arrives, gets killed by his son, you try to sneak out from the hotel under lockdown, jackie gets hit, you barely make it saved by AI driven super-cab, Jackie dies, Dex is pissed and shoots you in the head - game begins
For the uninitiated, the wanted level and combat and stealth is a feature that has already been there since launch, they just polished it more in 2.0. Vehicle chase and combat though is new.
2:07 same reaction but for me it was fallout 3 that blew my mind. SPesficly the moment you get to the washington monument. And the rain effects are kicking in and theres a war going on and your just watching all that. its a core gameing memory for me. 19:03 Cyberpunk combat: You can also go slash slash. and be an anime charictor if you go into blades you slice and deflect bullets. with a full on perry system.
I completed Cyberpunk 1000G in the December of release, the story, relationships and gameplay were amazing despite the performance issues at the time. Amazing for the 110 hours it took me to hit 1000G On the flip side, I'm already 115 hours into Starfield with only 630 / 1000G. The main story is one mission from completion, but I have SO much more exploring to do, and missions to find. Sure, character development isn't great, the story is a little lacklustre, but NG+ should bring a nice twist to a replay once I've completed all the missions in the first playthrough. Meanwhile, Cyberpunk is lacking that replayability factor that will keep me coming back to Starfield for many, many more hours.
Endless procedurally generated gameplay doesn't mean it's engaging. You could explore new, never seen by players, star systems in Elite Dangerous for the next thousand years, it'd still be pretty boring.
@nonegone7170 It's not all procedurally generated though, is it. I''ve been playing 115 hours of pre-designed main missions and side missions, and there will be more considering every system has a few pre-designed locations.
@musicfrog5488 I already know what NG+ adds. A slight twist to the main story with various scenarios in the lodge, but also additional dialogue options to quests that you've already completed (which should be all of them, before I move on). It also provides me a chance to rectify some of the mistakes I made with the first playthrough. People play games for different reasons, some people like the RPG element....you all need to stop being so butthurt and let people enjoy games in the way they want to
Never played Starfield, probably never will. Loved Cyberpunk, but you are right there is a bit of a replayability issue with Cyberpunk -- only so many ways you can switch things up storywise or buildwise. No randomly generated missions, no dynamic NPCs that wander the entire map like M'aiq the liar. Sure there are over 60 fixer missions ontop of the dozen or so main missions and the other few dozen side quests -- and then add in DLC stuff -- but after you plow through all of that the replayability for those comes from playing them again for a different outcome or trying something differently, new dialogue choices, etc. But nothing to take advantage of randomly generated missions like assassinations, spying, stealing, hacking into, etc. No endless freeplay, mostly for story related purposes but still. However, there really is no point to all of that since by doing every single missions you'll easily max out your level with enough missions left to go so you can enjoy being a max level character with more than enough money to not worry about buying anything.
I played Starfield for 69 hours, I didn't beat the main story, I did some of the side quests, but my main gripe is it's just so goddamn easy! Even on the hardest difficulty, the only thing that's even remotely difficult is ship combat. Game just didn't end up being what I was hoping for, and I bought it... wish I would've just played it on game pass ;(
If it 'very hard' was "that easy", you'd have finished it before ya got, apparently got bored. 😃 - I'm on NG+4, not taking the express option so far; and I would never say 'very hard' is easy. It beat you. Thats the truth.
@@palpaladin315 that’s not how it works. Something can be easy and also take a long time to finish. There’s nothing wrong with that, as long as it’s fun. Starfield just isn’t fun for a lot of people. It feels like they purposefully made everything take forever because it would be on Game Pass. They wanted to stretch the engagement metrics and milk the monthly subscriptions.
I really wanted to love this game, but I just couldn’t… I am similar to you, putting hundreds of hours into Skyrim, etc, but Starfield was not only extremely boring, it also felt like they padded the game with so much fetch questing, lame progression walls, and running everywhere (no vehicles in a space game???). Great, honest review!
A big criticism I've had of Bethesda games (that I left out) is how frequent fetch quests are. I don't mind them in general but Bethesda LOVES to make us play fetch
I must admit ive been sippin that koolaid and this was sobering. It does feel old, mostly empty and frustrating. Remember finding the old hag in the woods in Skyrim? She looked like a sweet old woman but had a dungeon and turned out to be a witch. That moment will never leave me. The sheer wonder of discovering this lady out here. Ive never once had that feeling with Starfield. Its just not good enough and we deserve better after waiting so long.
I have played over 50 hours in Starfield and no the game doesn't magically get better. It is a good game just not the game changer everyone though it would be.
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. As you can see, this has become my biggest video by far. I've read your compliments but also some valid criticism that I will take note of for my future videos 🤗
NO, 2077 had a few bugs on PC at release, but no more than Bethesda ES games and all the fun was already there. It was what I expected, wanted, and received. My fav genre, and a nice bonus to have large scale driving around the city.
2077 DLC is good, but it was already GOTY before. So this year Hogwarts Legacy is GOTY.
Mad support and respect for you man! You got a new subscriber here! Look forward to more of your content!
Good to follow the algorithm, but I’ve seen many videos of people criticizing starfield in a more thought out and analytical way. Will more likely to watch those more than these rant type of videos. Good luck!
Oh man, yes whenever you reached Phantom Liberty in the game, please do stream it! I'm a late comer with this game. I didn't purchase it at launch, just the horror stories alone made me wait. So I didn't start playing it until August of this year with patch 1.63 I think? A tad buggy but nowhere near impossible to play. Then patch 2.0 came out and I noticed the overhaul. It was awesome. Then the DLC came out and it felt like an entirely new game altogether. I'm over 220 hrs into this game, 3rd full playthrough and not even close to being bored
Starfield is a loading screen simulator
At it's core, Cyberpunk 2077 was always entertaining and had a great story. The technical issues were the main problem and it should have never been released on last gen consoles. Cyberpunk 2077 immediately gets you hooked with one of the best first acts of a game in recent years.
It's an explosive start but every time I go through it I think of the wasted opportunity that was the opening scene after you finish the prologue. An extra 3 or 4 missions to bond with Jack instead of the dumb voiceover cutscene would have gone a long way.
@@blooperman1997you're 100% right this video is just lazy
wait wym voiceover cutscene@@blooperman1997
Starfield cannot be fixed, You do not fix writing and you cannot swap out engine on a released game. No starting overs.
Played it on PC right after the release, there were some funny bugs but nothing game breaking and I really enjoyed it from start to finish. Now it's even better. But yeah, the console versions were busted.
I feel like the greatest strength of Cyberpunk to me is how after playing it for 100+ hours over the span of a year… I still never fast travel
I just wanna drive around the city and stop for random events all the time
That first time wonder still never wore off for me
Agreed! I've played around 100 hours spread over my first and my current playthrough, I can probably count on two hands the amount of times I've fast travelled - and usually it's if I'm tired, about to go to sleep and just want to finish off this one thing on the other side of the city
Yeah i use to fast travel alot but now I really enjoy driving and listening to the radio its so immersive
Especially when "I reaaally wanna staaayy at your hooouuusse!" Is on the radio.
honestly I have always hated the cyberpunk fast travel system, it seems to me an aberration, that's why I have never used it, fortunately when you drive the ride is beautiful and you enjoy it a lot.
FR, 100% agreed, Night city is so gorgeous
Starfield is the first Bethesda game I’ve ever quit. I remember deciding to do dishes and laundry 3 hours into the game because that was more fun than starfield.
Same, i found myself just aching for that hand crafted, easily accessed and full of secrets/stories type vibe that bethesda usually nail. Starfield feels like a thin story loosely resting on top of a world with no soul or identity
I do think Starfield misses some of what makes the Bethesda formula work for most people. But there is still plenty to love. For me I also was a bit lost early on with how the game played. But after 10h I figured out the game pace, where the "good" stuff is and started loving the experience. Fully understand if you don't want to wait that long but I just finished my first character after 85h and I will say this game is more than worth diving into even though not everything is top notch content.
First Borethesda game I've ever quit too, 20 hours in. Everytime I logged off I was asking myself if it was going to get any better.
The issue is that BGS are masters in open world crafting, but starfield is not one.
same, i was bethesda fan from Morrowind. the starfield experience isnt good as their previous games. i tried to like this game many times and its still disappointed me with buggy quests and boring combat.
Starfield's insane amount of loading screens killed it for me.
You can’t even take a life/elevator without it being a loading screen
No where near as bad as Fallout 4. I could buy a cart full of groceries at the store and come back home and the game would still be loading. I will take Starfield's loading screens any day.
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@@Flight--tz5nf No, Fallout 4 had longer loading screens but not more. In Fallout you can walk from one end of the open world to the other without loading screens. Also Fallout 4 was developed when most people still used HDDs and just overall much slower computers and consoles.
Starfield's "open world" is actually just hundreds of small hubs. And its even more brutally immersion breaking when you are in Neon and one simply side quest makes you look at loading screens literally a dozen times even if you never left the city.
We are in freaking 2023 where consoles have some of the fastest SSD ever and comparable SSDs for PCs are also dirt cheap. They was Bethesda develops their games in insanely outdated.
Look at Hogwarts Legacy where you can seamlessly go in and out of the huge castle. Or Jedi survivor where you can just go inside a cave system or abandoned base then leave and go inside your ship without any loading screens.
Or the upcoming Spiderman 2 where it takes like 1.5 seconds to fast travel nearly anywhere in Manhattan.
Heck even much older games like GTA 4 can work with much fewer loading screens.
"16 times the loading screens" !
Cyberpunk rising from the grave is canon accurate
@amossingh6315 *cyberpunk release in terrible state no one plays it *
3 years later : wake the f up samurai, we got a city to burn
now imagine bethesda did the same cycle i think skyrim also bullcrap in it's release so i think starfield will be good in 3 years 2026 i guess
@@MONSKI990 Skyrim still isn't good even to this day. People just let nostalgia get best of them because at the time it was revolutionary. Now a days? Not so much. Really goes to show just how dated the game is compared to other revolutionary titles that came out at the time as well.
@amossingh6315the PC version always had just a few bugs. You could play and enjoy the game. The biggest issue was last gen consoles.
I’m running this game on ps4, which doesn’t have the 2.0 version, and it has became one of my favorite games of all time, if not my favorite. The bugs don’t at all hinder the fun and wonder of the world.
Cyberpunk does something really well, you can text and receive messages from important NPCs that will substantially help you improve your relationship with them, without force you to go through some long boring dialogs. This allows the player to complete certain quests without having to return to said NPC. In Starfield, however, the ship has no comm system, you can't receive nor send messages to anyone, you are forced to travel across the galaxy just to speak 2 dialog lines in order to complete a certain quest.
It kinda makes sense, given how hard and how long it takes to send coms in space. They'd need to build relays everywhere, it's not like a single planet with a bunch of comsats all around.
Unless they invent some kind of bullshit tech like a warp drive for communications, all we have are radio waves.
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That said, there could be some kind of postal drones service to carry messages and parcels at warp speed across systems.
Wouldn’t you think sending a text message weights a few kilobytes to a planet a few light years away is easier than sending a spaceship weights a few hundred tons? So if they can make spaceship jumps light years, they should be able to do it with a text message right?
@@Texelion it makes sense in a reality tought. But as a game mechanic, it would be so much better if the game had some sort of call or text feature.
It takes a message sent from mars 20 minutes to reach earth
@@Texelion Sometimes QOL features have to take precedence over realism.
If you want to start talking realism, let's start with how space does not behave like water.
As a game developer I can assure you it doesn't matter how old a game engine is if you know how to upgrade it over the years. You only need to go as far as the Unreal engine to understand how optimised and polished it is, and yet it is the same engine started 30 years ago, the difference is they are not lazy or rely on community to fix it for them. They iterate, constantly upgrade and polish to the bone.
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Which is why Bethesda really has no excuse. Rather than either using a new engine or learning to polish and refine the one they've been using since the dawn of time they just repeatedly make excuses and rely on the modding community to accomplish what they should have done to begin with, and as shown in this video, lie about their poor optimization and go as far as blaming people for not having top end PC's to run their game, ignoring the fact that Console specs are locked and their game is poorly optimized for consoles as well.
"Our game is perfect, you just need a PS7 to play it" Tod Howard Circa 2023 most likely.
@@VicViper1984 Truth is that upkeeping an engine is very expensive and time consuming, but considering the stupid amount of money Bethesda made in the past they have no excuses, for sure.
@@BlackRabbitDigitalP Yeah Bethesda is loaded after a dozen or more rereleases of Skyrim which still sells like hotcakes. If they were a small studio I'd absolutely understand the limitations surrounding maintaining an engine. But with the kind of scratch they're working with, they could easily do better.
Grim Dawn uses the IronLore engine from 2006 though heavily upgraded (Crate has decided to create a brand-new engine for the eventual Grim Dawn 2).
The phantom liberty DLC is honestly meant to be played with the main game, it fits going back and forth, but saving it for later is certainly an option as well
idk it felt pretty good doing it with my maxed out V
Can you go back and forth? I started a fresh playthrough and I just got the Songbird call for PL. Can I easily switch between campaigns?
@@DroosterH Yup, feel free to follow the main quest line there for a bit, you can go back and forth to the dlc area freely and you gain access to a few cool things right away, you will not be forced to finish the dlc
and is it true the game if you did 2 side quest the one i heard is rescue the president it will locked you out form the phantom liberty DLC, i heard also everyone not liking this feature?
@@Zul_H not quite sure what exactly you are referring to, just make sure you follow the main quest line for a bit, there are a few time sensitive missions to do, but it should be pretty obvious once you have some free time to do side gigs or explore
I'd say I love how Cyberpunk makes you feel like you are living in a real world, and not just a game. The TV, ads, radio hosts adds to the immersion factor and when you get to meet and talk with them in that party in Dogtown, it was like meeting a celebrity in real life.
They had their own snarky personalities and quirks.
You can also like hear about news about what's going on in Night CIty, like a BD studio making a certain type of BD on a prisoner's execution. I thought it was just some kind of one-off lore dump about how it usually goes down in NC. Didn't think much of it. But when I got to that gig, where you can directly influence this, oh man, that's when I knew this game is truly something.
Oh yea, also, you can call and text in this game. ;P
Yeah, I remember saving someone from an abduction and it popped up on the news.
Night City just has so much personality, sometimes when driving through Watson or Westbrook the architecture and density of details feels a bit overwhelming.
Bethesda seem to have swapped out the modern openworld idea of "something interesting should be happening every 40-50 seconds traversing a location" with "the player should be in a menu ever 40-50 seconds."
For me, what kills Starfield is the constant fast travel and the feeling that this is just many small instances glued together with loading screens.
It just doesn’t feel like a living, breathing world like past Bethesda games. NPCs don’t have schedules anymore, shops are open 24 hours etc.
I am now playing Cyberpunk after ditching it when it came out and it is the far superior game compared to Starfield.
Don't play Star Citizen then...
Im trying hard to get into the game but those LS are killing me. Game has no rythm, it’s slow not because of the hatdware, i load fast, but still it kills the rythm. Having a load screen just to get out if a shop in new atlantis? Really? Come on guys. 🤷🏼
@@zerolegacy7821 Maybe when it is finished in 2072.
Ah damn, I will be dead by then.
@@Eraser18574 I left my account to my yet to be born grand children in my will, lol.
Excactly. Instead of open world, if feels like u go from closed box to the next closed box and so forth
Procedural generation is the CGI of video games.... Also I love the irony Cyberpunk reworked there ENTIRE skill system due to it being too boring and just stat buffs..... and that's 90% of what Starfield's skills are.
procedural generation is a cancer, aside from very specific applications like minecraft or left 4 dead 2 enemy generation and that sort of thing, it shouldn't have a place in the gaming industry. It just makes companies lazy, uninspired and use game size as a selling point.
@marcola47 this. 100% it makes sense in worlds that don't need lore. But it has no place in real RPGs. Ever. It's just not good enough at this point to make interesting content.
@@adventurous_soles9899 Whenever I landed on a new planet in starfield I was not compelled at all to explore the vast km wide baren wasteland. It makes me sad to think that Starfield has NOTHING that makes bgs games good and EVERYTHING that makes bgs games bad. Like for fucks sake they dont even know why Skyrim to this day has 95% reviews on steam, they don't fucking know why people like their games. Starfield showed me that Elder Scrolls 6 is most likely to be a shitshow of antiquated game design for a 2040 game. I PRAY TO GOD that bethesda learns from other developers such as larian or cdpr what makes a good rpg, but, I'm not too hopeful.
It's funny because Starfield doesn't actually have procedual generation. They say they do but actually it's procedural-pre-generation - they generated a bunch of planets and put them in game. The game itself doesn't generate shit. The only thing generated is "which two of 9 possible pirate bases you'll have around your landing zone" and that's basically rolling a dice on the tile block. If they think that's procedural generation - well, I guess that's Bethesda thing, 20 years behind its competitors in every aspect. Hell, Diablo 2 had better "procedural generation" than Starfield and we all know it was nothing more than a tile-RNG.
@@marcola4767no man’s sky is good
Exactly what happened with me. Starfield ended up falling flat for me pretty quickly. I played it for awhile but then just lost interest. As soon as Cyberpunk 2.0 dropped with Phantom Liberty I immediately dumped upwards of 60 hours into it 😵💫
Dumped 100 Hours into the game, cause it's that good!
My “nah” moment was my first walk through New Atlantis and it just felt like a massive half empty retail park at about 4.50pm just before everything shuts on a weekend afternoon with depressed people milling about because they’ve got nowhere better to be. I was so excited to explore this flagship city of the future and….there was just nothing in it. Except the obligatory “save the tree” character. Starfield is the only BSG game where I had to force myself to play it in the hope it would improve (and it doesn’t).
Mainly the menus and constant loading screens and requirement that you MUST fast travel to do almost anything, massive turn off for me. Went back to Skyrim.
Holy shit that's awful. I knew it was bad but damn.
but don't talk about how depressing night city is .... of course not
@@musicmane4146 they don't compare
Skyrim >>> Starfield
GTA IV >>> Cyberpunk
The only interesting part of New Atlantis is The Well.
I invited a pair of friends over to drink and take turns playing Starfield as it had come out on my birthday and that we all wanted to see if this was an improvement over FO4. It was so terrible and boring that not even alcohol was helping prop it up. None of us wanted to continue after 3 hours in and we all agreed to do something else instead.
I hope y’all kissed
I am biased toward cp2077 because I've been a big fan of the genre and of the TTRPG. CP2077 was my favorite game ever at release. The lore is absolutely brilliant. I might had spent 200h only exploring the city. I am glad people now are on the same page than me and can appreciate the game and Night City.
THIS!!!! Yes!!!
Shoot I can spend forever chopping up choombas with my monowire
I had no experience with Cyberpunk and only started 3 weeks ago. The world CDPR brought to motion is beyond captivating. I often skip most cutscenes in video games. CP2077 grabbed my attention from the getgo with how impressive every aspect of each story is. They even get the neuances in facial animation down to a T.
Yea no
It is very good, but people now loving it, is due to CD Project Red sticking with it and making sure they corrected their earlier mistakes, and implemented most of the features they earlier promised. It's not like people wasn't giving the game a chance. It was originally filled with a lot of bugs and issues, which is what turned people off in the first place. Also Edgerunners.
It makes so much sense for cyberware to be the way to improve armor, in a game where almost everyone has cyberware on.
The Tabletop RPG is like that, every fan on the franchise was confused as hell on launch. Most of the cyberware from the tabletop was missing, now we have some of them. Feels like they listened to critique.
Yeah, they literally have subdermal armor and titanium bone replacements. But I like how they still give some clothing options with extra armor, like ballistic helmets and vests, which makes perfect sense.
Certainly a lot nicer than launch. Near maxed out armor (1421 out of 1500), so I reduce incoming damage by 59% plus 7% from pain editor -- and I can still get wrecked if enough enemies are shooting me... (2nd hardest difficulty)... end game fight against NUSA black ops soldiers at lvl60 is hard :0
@@Zombie1Boy I play on Very Hard with a stealth build, normal encounters are a breeze where I feel completely in control and powerful but the second someone is a bit beefier and survives my initial ambush I have to run and throw everything I have at them, feels really good difficulty wise.
Cyberpunk is the best game of the decade...maybe ever. I beat it a couple years ago and here I am dumping another 200 hours into it. I can't quit. Amazing environment, amazing characters, amazing gameplay and AMAZING stories. I love it.
I´ll jump in again when it goes on Sale on Steam or when I´ve got a little more Cash in my Steam-Account. Finished one Playthrough at Release and never touched it again, but it seems it has become much better with the latest Update & the DLC.
Excited for cyberpunk 2. After learning from past mistakes and already have the foundation/assets of cyberpunk world they made.
Partnership with unreal engine 5 making insane progress + the implementing the best thing in red engine.
cyberpunk 2 will be more fantastic overall than GTA 6 for sure. (With a shorter developer time. For comparison. GTA 6 has been in development since 2014-2025). Cyberpunk has 4 years development 2016-2020). Even rockstar have more devs working on it and billion budget.
Hoping they are not making another glorified online roleplay game for streamers.
@@Katniss0000 I wish they make Cyberpunk 2 an actual RPG, you know where we have full agency over our character and its decisions and not getting stuck with Johnnys story after the first act demoting us to a mere passenger in our own main story.
@@hammurabii.3173 That is why I want custom characters than Premade characters.
I can't fully immerse myself in games like Witcher 3, Rdr2, etc. I can control them but they are still not ME.
but cyberpunk is still better in immersion.
With Premade characters there is no difference from watching it in youtube and playing it.
Baldurs Gate 3 is good but I don't like turn based game.
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that is why bethesda are successful with skyrim and fallout. And Fromsoft Elden Ring. you could be anyone.
Baldurs Gate and Cyberpunk have one of the BEST opening sequences ever that HOOK you immediately in their world. Starfield opens with……mining stuff. Not only that, the dialogue in Starfield has NO conflict in conversations which make them so boring and monotonous. Even after 20 hours in Starfield, the dialogue is sooooo boring.
Agreed, I literally fell asleep during its dialogs, multiple times.
It's funny how Starfield supposedly took 8 years to develop but if I got really nitpicky I could easily make a several hour long video about all the things it does wrong. I'm not a game dev I make RPA stuff but I don't understand where did all that dev time went when it's a huge company with hundreds of people and pretty much all the money they needed. Several assets are from their previous games and a huge part of the game is procedurally generated. Even if you only count CP2077 finished with the 2.0 patch that is what other companies could achieve in 8 years. Even Baldur's Gate 3 took 6 and FromSoftware made Sekiro, Elden Ring and Armore Core 6 in the span of 8 years with less people.
BG3 has like 150 hours worth of handcrafted content in a single playthrough and the 3 FromSoft games combined are closer to 200.
When I fired up Starfield I felt like it was a game that came out 10 years ago. From the janky faces, npc interactions, ui and inventory interface. Felt like a decade old game. Except that ten years ago games had maps in them, not so this one.
Some of my fave games are old. Starfield should be better than it is, but it isn't as terrible as people keep saying. It isn't amazing, but for me at least, it is the game I've dumped the most hours into in years, and I had a good time the whole way, first few hours were kinda iffy but after 5 - 8 hours I was hooked.
A game with the dated technology of some of gaming's best classics while being bankrupt on content? Truly the worst of both worlds
@@mraso30really? I am always surprised when people say they liked starfield. It just felt an inferior version of fallout to me. Not even comparable to mystique and awe of Skyrim and others in Elder Scrolls series. Particularly the loading screens, gosh they were annoying. Didn't care about the map that much, but the lack of freedom to explore, and the lack of meaningful content on planets was grating for me. I think the fact that i rarely do story missions played a part in it too. For me the entire point of open world Games is that i can do anything I want. Go and explore in any direction I want and so on. Starfield just didn't have that. As a developer myself, to me it was super apparent that it was not a cohesive world, but a small set of maps, stitched together by the annoying loading screens. I guess maybe people who play differently are not affected that much.
I stuck with it since animations and graphics isn’t the end all be all of a great game but everything just felt underdeveloped. I played 160 hours, only really pushing it that far just to see everything there was (quests, new game plus, factions, planets), hoping that maybe the next hour would just make the game click for me but it just never did.
The lack of maps drives me insane.
Crazy how I poured 72 hours into Starfield, and haven't touched it since the honeymoon phase was over - kept waiting for that "thing" both Skyrim and Fallout provided
Ngl for me skyrim's "thing" that made the game click was systematically stalking and killing citizens of riverwood and disintigrating their remains in alvor's forge.
Which sounds psychotic but it's the fact that you COULD do that to some random inconsequential nobody at all was the craziest thing to me
@@nobodyimportant4778 that’s great for Skyrim, but for a game in the future, everyone in town would immediately become aware of what your doing lol, and run away or have you arrested. So it wouldn’t make sense to do that
Playing Starfield this week after just finishing Cyberpunk 2077 was painful, so painful that after 4-5 hours I have given up. edit 9 hours actually
I played Starfield and then started Cyberpunk again for the DLC. It felt like the games were 2 decades apart.
@@amysteriousviewer3772If you played Deus Ex Human Revolution, it'd actually feel like a more recent game tbh
@@inzane456 Even Human Revolution has a far more unique art style and more immersive atmosphere. Not to mention far better writing and actually interesting gameplay.
I purchased early access for starfield and returned it after 30 hours to then buy it back. I started a new game and clocked in 130 hours and I never ended up finishing it. The real meat of the game is the faction quests, everything else feels very vanilla and has that "I feel like I've played this before" feeling. It's not a bad game but I'm disappointed that it's this shallow, like a puddle but it's as vast as an ocean.
Cyberpunk 2077 on the other hand I love like it's my own child. I've 100 completed the game 3 times. Every time it leaves me wanting more.
With the way you describe Starfield, its a bad game that you wish was good. That is okay. The gravest disappointment was that you were promised a good game and were lied to by the developers who decided their greed was more important than delivering the very product they promised.
Accepting that Starfield is objectively bad will bring peace.
"A vast ocean that is only an inch deep" says it all. Nothing meaningful can live in such a place.
You are not alone in this disappointment, and because everyone else has gotten this and played it and discovered this, I have decided to not invest my money in this game. It's just not worth it.
I actually felt the same way at first I didn’t like it but the more I played the more I loved it. I just play star field very differently now. Now the meat of the game for me is exploration, outpost building and ship customization everything else feeds and funds those activities until they come out with (God willing) good expansions that’s fills the world in more. I’m waiting for mods to come to the Xbox and im praying Todd and his team doesn’t fuck up on expansions. I haven’t played cyber punk yet but the thing I don’t like about it is the punk techy look of the game that’s not the kind of future I like I like star fields vision of the future better but dam
I played through all of Crimson fleet and rangers and half way through Vanguard and that corporation. If this was the "meat" of the game, it would be a slice of grey, limp, boiled, gristly, unseasoned meat.
@@PresterMike If you're into mind numbingly boring things like Starfield, may I also suggest a hobby in napkin collecting.
@@goatwarrior3570 Oh no, someone likes something different from me so let's hurl an insult their way. 🤡
I’m so glad I waited till this point to play cyberpunk, I’m loving every moment of it!
I agree. I just recently finished the main campaign of Starfield, and i felt like i was just going through the motions playing it. Then i start playing new Cyberpunk dlc Phantom Liberty and in the first 20 minutes had more fun and excitement than i did playing the entire Starfield campaign.😂😂Bethesda better go back to the drawing board, because their style of gaming is outdated.
It was outdated even when Skyrim was released.
Bethesda was never great
@@afrosrb7828yeah they were foh
@@VicViper1984facts skyrim is so boring i hated it after my 1st play through i just thought this combat is corny and outdated
@@coleandres2154 They made one "great" game and have been rehashing the exact same thing with minor tweaks, gimmicks and a facelift ever since. Then one of those rehashes was popular enough that they remade it a dozen times and made money off of how undiscerning their core audience is each time. You must be one of em.
With cyberpunk, you can even use melee weapons while riding your bike. I dont know how handy that is, but they get points for cool. 😁
Katana damage scales with speed so if you hit an enemy while riding your bike you’ll do a ton of damage.
I'm planning on messing with more melee weapons this week. I'll have to try that! 😀
You can also use Sandevistan on a bike, so you can pull off some crazy high speed katana swipes on some unlucky scumbags
You can also get a skill that allows you to action dismount vehicles (as well as the one that allows sandevistan usage) so with enough skill, you can literally handle high speed car chases by exiting your vehicle with super speed and killing all of the enemies while on foot, then reentering your car before it even loses momentum.
@@VicViper1984 God Mode activated
Bethesda, Bioware and Blizzard are a shell of their former selves. Indies are where it's at. Larian was once an indie studio and look at what a privately owned passionate and dedicated studio can do. Shareholder ownership is the death of anything creative!
Edit: I still have some vague hope that Starfield being this mid and getting heavily criticized will be a wake up call for Bethesda's leadership that something needs to change. I just want TES 6 to be great please.
I really hope the new Mass Effect will
be a return to form.
The difference is Bethesda can’t write any video game good their writing is so mediocre it’s almost laughable the modders continue saving them
@@GoatBoat22 yeah, and their writer is only there cause hes a friend of todd
I feel nothing but dread about TES 6. I think I might prefer it just never be made than Todd Howard make it.
Add EA and Ubisoft as well
to me the story and atmosphere is key and starfield had none, while cyberpunk has one of the most immersive stories and worlds i have ever seen.
Fully agree
Did we all play the same game? Cyberpunk one of the most immersive stories and world?
With Johnny constantly appearing, npcs glitching and not reacting to world event's... hell they can't even drive.
Comparing the story and world and npcs in Witcher 3 to that in Cyberpunk is leaps and bounds.
Starfield isn't any better but to me Cyberpunk and starfield have been failures.
They just didn't do enough or do anything good enough to warrant praise.
That story in Cyberpunk was such a bore and those endings were a letdown. Not sure how that's immersive....
@@kronosleblu888L take go play farming simulator
u still living in 2020 , grow uo@@kronosleblu888
@@kronosleblu888just your opinion, calm down
Came back to Cyberpunk for 2.0 and went with the Blade Tech focused build. Its a lot of fun dashing towards enemies slicing them up. Double jump + Air Dash, you can move so quickly through the city!
Plus the Sandy makes you feel like the Flash with a sword
Intro is the best sum up of Starfield ever 😆 And yeah, CP2077 had a phoenix treatment, it's completely new bird with whole lot of things going on. I played it to death even on launch, and now it feels like new game. Some of my favorite builds become so much more fun, like haunted netrunner with new cyberdeck and op quick hacks, where you constantly hear AI whispering "death to all humans" every time you use it, and V is like "yeah yeah, another chatty construct, shut up, buddy, will ya?" So funny.
Huh? Which one is that?
I played cyber-monkey ninja this time (stopped in the middle of the game last time, finally finished the game with update 2.0 this week).
My next play would probably focus on intelligence and technical ability...
So I would be happy to hear about this if you can
the Militech Canto Mk. 6, it's one of the DLC items that you get at a certain point@@tomi832
i'm not going into as much detail bc i don't wanna spoil it
I did a ninjarunner build (20 int, 20 ref, 15 body, 6 tech, 20 cool) and yes you can use a sandevistan to slow time while your maxed reflexes allow for an air dash and increased dash speed toward enemies. The new hacking system also helps quickhacks spread faster so taking out a room full of people is super easy and fun. This is post Phantom Liberty and the extra points from the increased level cap really helped me fine tune it. I'm about to start another playthrough to see what else I can do!
They reworked a bunch of the gigs in vanilla.
@@damienjohnson3450 Good. I hope they increased the amount of enemies because halfway through my playthough everyone was already too easy for me lol
you can't get 20 on 3 things and still get the other 2 above 6 with base levels.
@@emmanuelobodozie713 Then buy the phantom liberty and get the extra 10 points. The video is literally about PL idk why you gave me this useless info
@@emmanuelobodozie713 this is just wrong lol. there are 60 attribute points which allows 3 level 20 and one level 18 or in this case 3 level 20, one level 15, and one level 6.
EDIT: to clarify there are 60 levels, 81 attribute points total counting the ones you start with.
damn this video hits hard, already felt fallout 4 outdated compared to witcher 3 with the full motioncap in cutscenes and dialogue at the time but now in 2023 we have cyberpunk 2.0/phantom and bg3 absolutely stunning visuals and worldbuilding. starfield is made for toddlers with its glorified artifect fetch quest simulation as MSQ, i'd even argue that wrex from the original mass effect in 2007 is better than entire constellation companion cast.
Constellation are some of the most dull and worst characters ever written in gaming. The only one I liked was Vasco the emotionless robot.
reminder that cyberpunk is a 2020 game and while they added new graphical options the assets, textures, etc didnt change
@@ioritenshi And it still looks orders of magnitudes better than Starfield
@@amysteriousviewer3772 Yeah after years of fucking patches. But no one wants to admit that.
@@aaronlaughter6471 The graphics were always top notch at least on PC.
I LOVE cyberpunk. Its addictive. Im actually sad because im about to 100 cyberpunk and now i dunno what to do
I've had a lot of fun with Starfield, but yes, it's the engine that's really holding it back. I went back to AC Odyssey yesterday, and I can walk, run or ride across Greece without a single loading screen, but in Starfield most exterior to interior changes and vice versa force a loading screen, though oddly not all.
It also has odd freezes with I don't get in other games, and the sound and visuals frequently don't match up.
I don't think they've pushed the boundaries at all, more like they expect your PC to make up for the inadequacies of their design.
Got CP2077 back last fall, played on my XboxOne and although it clearly needed to be played on a next gen console, it was still playable to an extent and had me hooked with the environment, the gameplay, the combat aesthetics, everything. Once I upgraded to an Xbox Series X, it’s been by far my favorite open world game to play. One of the best, well written stories I’ve ever played and the game was massively improved with their updates.
Dive headfirst into the neon-soaked streets with Cyberpunk's Phantom Liberty DLC, and believe me when I say, it's a digital masterpiece! The attention to detail? Absolutely unparalleled. The characters have such intricate facial details, it'll have you wondering if you've stepped out of the game and into a new reality. And let's not even talk about the skyline - I often find myself scaling the tallest skyscrapers, not for any mission, but to simply breathe in that intoxicating, electrifying city view. It's more than just eye candy; it's a futuristic ambiance that immerses you completely. Ready to get lost in the cyber-daze? Welcome to the next level of gaming euphoria.
I agree, CP2077 just captivated me with the world more. Starfield just took to long to develop and it was a space shooter traveling around planets. We had so many of them. I tried it and after i got off the first planet, i was like so this is what its going to be like. Uninstalled and it was on game pass too lol
Great video. Reminds me of my amazing experience with Oblivion; final character I made was built from ground up to break the game, I remember picking the right race, sign, leveling stats just right and with the right items I had over 100% to both reflect magic and physical damage. Took countless hours but finally achieving this and being able to nuke anything without lifting a finger was incredible.
There really was a certain magic that Morrowind/Oblivion era Bethesda had which I just isn't there for me anymore especially since Starfield launched it really drove that home for me. A shame, I hope Bethesda can change/modernize their approach to game design for ES6, along with proper overhaul/modernization of the Creation engine and its systems while properly eliminating the decades of tech debt. It'll cost a fortune and a few years but under the MS umbrella there's no excuse if they really want to stick with Creation and ES6 have a positive reception across the board and have another Skyrim moment.
CP2077 on the other hand has really made exploration alot of fun and rewarding. Found a random Braindance on the ground in an alley which took me right into a flashback of the Edgerunners anime and kicked off a side quest related to David Martinez. Incredible. This is the kind of experience we need in our modern western RPGs
Playing through CP2077 again, and I love it. I think Night City and the surrounding wasteland filled with kipple, is one of the most beautiful open worlds ever made. You could just keep releasing DLC in this massive open world, unlocking doors and fleshing out new interiors, and keep this game going for a decade.
Starfield? Major let down. So many dropped balls and missed opportunities. I think the art team is super talented at Bethesda, and there is some beautiful art direction all around, but I just hate the fast travel from box to box. It actually interferes with my immersion and fun. And even with the ship builder, I don’t care to fly in my spaceship at all, and for a game like this, that is the biggest ball drop.
And because Skyrim uses Creation Engine, I can almost bet the farm, we will all see the same shortcomings and have the same disappointments.
Thanks for the vid.
CP is the best
Hank do not abbreviate Cyberpunk HAAAAAAAAAAANK
Cyberpunk's the kinda game that i don't mind going AFK and stare at the screen while V does nothing. it can get really immersive and the graphics are stunning along with the BGM. Can't say the same about SF...
If you do, always put 2077 after; CP2077
Just finished my 3rd play through of CP, I think I had about 100 hours in and loved it. I played star field for 3 hours yesterday and couldn’t get into it. Probably done with it.
Hitting level 50 then making new game saves to play phantom liberty since I really wanted to try out new builds with new content. Also I find myself listening to the lore of the game at work and wow is this world freaking wild
I just started the base game. Im loving it what videos would you recommend for the lore?
@@faherty87WiseFish has some pretty good videos breaking down the overall lore and more focused videos for specific events like the unification wars
@@faherty87check out stuff about the old net and Rache Bartmoss and the datakrash, as well as stuff about the Blackwell (those videos may have spoilers for parts of the game though
I tried playing fallout 4 again a few months ago, i loved it when it first came out but now when i try to play it i just lose motivation to even get past the first few missions. I got that way with starfield in the first few hours and just pushed through till i felt like i was coming home from work to just drag myself through more work. I can get how a game loses its charm when you try to replay it but how do you get that feeling before you even finish it the first time.
I do the same. But with 117 mods added. Im in a middle of bloody survival post apocalyptic insanity. THIS IS FALLOUT
The same happened to me when I tried to replay Skyrim a few years back. When it came out I finished all questlines and explored everything, even did some generated quests. But when I tried again I was just not motivated to do anything and was bored. And I got fed up with Starfield around 40 hours in.
If you feel the Fallout 4 itch ever again the only way to play it is on Survival Mode. Makes the rest of the games systems (settlements, food, map design) have impact and meaning. Everything is a challenge but not impossible to overcome and by end game you feel like you've survived the wasteland through planning, whits, and determination.
Starfield is charmless. Skyrim is the total opposite.
Agreed and despite it feeling outdated, FO4 is 100x more enjoyable than Starfield. I’m not sure I can even go back to a Bethesda game after Cyberpunk. It raised the bar to a standard I’ve never experienced before. Everything about it feels alive. The city, the characters, even the random NPCs. My only complaint is that I wanted more. More dialogue, more stories, more people to meet. I felt so sad after the quest lines started to wrap up.
I'm not an open world enjoyer, I like them, but don't love them. But I love Cyberpunk 2077, even pre-2.0. They already did a lot of work fixing bugs and such between release and 2.0, with 2.0 being the cherry on top. I got my first playthrough on the pre-2.0 and it was already a good game by that point (around March/April of this year) but coming back to with 2.0 has relighted the love I have for the game.
I have always been a fan of open world games, before cyberpunk I was always a fan of GTA, I know cyberpunk is not GTA, but for some reason I love cyberpunk more now.
@@jessicaguarin3897 given the revamp I am not surprised, you now have a proper wanted system, vehicle combat, random drive by and high-speed chases. And it doesn't trivialise being the most wanted, once your at five stars it is near impossible to escape, and I have tried, even with cheats. Only once have I managed to escape the NCPD so far at five stars.
I've recently restarted Cyberpunk using the Luke Ross VR mod. I understand VR isn't everyone's bag, but it is absolutely amazing. Before, I used to fast travel everywhere, but with the VR, I hop in a car or on a bike and just enjoy the drive and the city. If something is happening nearby while I'm driving, I'll sometimes stop and check it out.
If anything, I'd recommend a melee build because shooting guns is a bit janky in the VR mod. But man, you feel like you're in it.
I am sad about Starfield. Those are the two whole awesome things about Bethesda games for me - the stories and the sense that I could find anything at all out there in the world. When I got off the prison ship in Seyda Neen, Morrowind, and the Empire let me out free and sent me to an undercover operative because I fulfilled the criteria of an ancient prophecy of the province, and the Imperial government thought it was nonsense, but there was a political Situation unfolding, and as the game unfolds, you wonder whether it's real.... SUCKED IN. I was so sucked in. And I didn't get spit back out until now. :(
Nail on the head. Starfield lacks that inherent intrigue in almost all of its quest lines. You don’t really feel like a member of any faction, or like you’re special in any way. Even when you get the powers, everyone around makes one comment about it and then doesn’t delve into it any deeper.
The story is the absolute worst part of the game. I don’t really mind games feeling old if they are still fun or provide a good experience. But goddamn, the story is god awful, the dialog feels like it was written by tweens. Whatever the writers were paid it was too much and I do sincerely hope they don’t work on other games.
Love Cyberpunk. One of the best games I've played (already couple of playthroughs) and I've never been so invested. Love the world, story, style & gameplay. You've got to try it at least.
Except the driving mechanics. Everything drives like a tank on ice.
Yeah that's great but as someone who's loving Starfield I grow really tired of these comparisons. Why don't you guys compare Cyberpunk 2077 AT RELEASE to Starfield at-release? Oh right because CP2077 was trash at release while Starfield is at least a playable complete game you can enjoy.
@@Reclaimer77"complete game"
I wouldn't say that. For a "space" game, the actual space environment is just a backdrop. The faction quest lines are.. Fine. But there's a major lack of choice. The only major choice I can think of is SysDef or Pirates. Nothing else you do actually reflects on the universe you're in. The precedural generation element causes the game to just feel repetitive, and not worth exploring.
As someone who loved Fallout 3, and New Vegas, and Fallout 4 (disappointing), and Cyberpunk, I wouldn't take either. If I could get all my time back that I put into starfield and just watch a cliff notes version, I would. The whole thing just wasn't fulfilling, and it didn't feel like it respected my time.
The key difference between the two at launch that really matters though is this: CDPR didn't want the game released in that state. That wasn't at all the plan for the devs. If they could have delayed to give us the full 2.0 at launch, they would have.
Bethesda intended to release Starfield as it is now. This is the final product. A very lazy, barely rpg which locks basic mechanics behind a bad perk system, with choices that don't matter, NPCs who can't be killed, all your companions share the same thoughts on all your decisions, the space settling is horribly misused. This was how they made it on purpose.
@@faded1to3black I'm not reading all this. There's zero comparison to the Starfield launch and the disaster the CP2077 launch was. Just absurd that after YEARS of fixes and content patches we're comparing it to Starfield as-is which hasn't had time for either.
@@Reclaimer77 The thing is that even though Cyberpunk came out like shit, you could see that it had potential, I played from day 1 and I won't lie to you, the bugs were normal but the story was SO GOOD and the secondary characters were SO GOOD that I just loved the game, Starfield doesn't have that.
Oh, Bless his heart, the way he said "anime" was so cute. It was like trying to talk to my grandpa. I miss him.
Ikr 😂 ey-nee-mee!
A lot of my viewers on Twitch are huge anime lovers. I may have been trying to troll them 😂
It's important that Bethesda gets proper feedback on Starfield so that they don't repeat the same mistakes in Elder Scrolls 6. Going into Starfield they kept insisting that they knew exactly what people wanted... and they really missed the mark.
No aliens in a space game is beyond ridiculous.
Crazy how cyberpunk was in my digital library Uninstalled, and starfield made me want to play again. Haven't touched it since it's launch so with the 2.0 it kinda feels brand new again. Starfield started hot but soon fell flat. Didn't expect that happen
Gotta say, I'm one of the ones that was very satisfied with Cyberpunk at launch. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. Bugs? Heck ya. Lots of immersion breaking bugs.
But the thing is, the foundations were already strong.
It also helped that I avoided all the marketing stuff. I went in without any expectations.
Typical cyberpunk shill post. You guys are missing the point that people wanted RPG and Cyberpunk is not that. Granted, it is a good action adventure but devs promised the whole different experience.
I played on PC and had very few bugs
@@KolinarK I mean, when I play CP2077, I am 100% roleplaying as V.
Would you say Witcher 3 isnt an RPG?
You say we're shills. I say your definition of RPG is stuck in the 90s, early 00s.
@@KolinarK I've never been a big fan of RPG games and cyberpunk2077 didn't catch my attention for that reason, it caught my attention for how cool it looks and feels, for its story, its aesthetics and its environment.
@@CptVeinthat guy gave possibly one of the most low IQ definitions of an RPG ive ever read. A take so stupid, it wasnt even worth you replying to lmfao. Guys an idiot
22:24 are we all just gonna let this guy get away with calling anime as "annie me"
😂
great video otherwise man, keep it up! @@SgtFidget
Played cyberpunk over the summer before 2.0 but after most of the game breaking bugs had been removed. It was honestly a really good experience the story had me hella immersed I left thinking it was a top 3 game for me. Baldurs gate usurped it really quickly but I had a great time I’m excited to try the 2.0/dlc
I’m sorry but a turn based combat game ain’t anywhere near as good as cyberpunk
@gagebyers1057 bro has down syndrome 💀
@@gagebyers1057agreed
@@gagebyers1057baldur's gate excels in other areas imo. It's not necessarily trying to be immersive like Cyberpunk, it's trying to enhance the game of DnD to a higher level than one could achieve playing the game normally.
Yeah since update 1.6 which was a bit over a year ago (the Edgerunners update as I call it) the game has been REALLY fucking good. Now with 2.0 and Phantom Liberty I think it’s almost perfect. I’d rate it at least a 9/10, one of my favourite games of all time for sure
You want elder scrolls VI to blow us under the water? Sounds like a good time!
I don't know if I'm remembering it wrong but supposedly one of the probs with cp2077 was that they were hitting the limits of what their engine could do. That kind of makes sense given that they are now saying no more cp2077 dlc because they are switching engines.
This is good long term because it will give them more powerful tools but in the short term it makes me worry a bit because they have to learn a lot of new stuff.
And they did the shareholder profit pleasing move of laying off workers while down cycled until they have to hire more when things shift up... which means they lose some institutional knowledge base, and will have less time getting up to speed with the new engine when it's time to hire more ppl.
I wish instead of boom bust profit seeking, game companies maintained a steady staff, and when things are slow, they have their staff working on the engine, building tools to make asset implementation and models easier, optimising their libraries, so when they want to go full production they don't need to hire more people because the ones they have are more productive.
As for the games themselves... Seeing all the coverage of Starfield has turned me off. I'll get it when it's on a deep sale.
If it was just one thing I'd still get it immediately and lose myself in it, but hearing that that primary exploration is via menu and seeing how simple the skills and perks are... It seems to be a shallow but much broader Mass Effect, with worse story and worse combat just lots more stuff.
For cp2077, I was one of the lucky people with a potato PC who got no serious bugs and had a blast at release. Years later with a better PC, patch 2.0 both brings me back to something I already thought was really fun, and gets all these people to have the fun I already had.
Do you really wish that companies would do things that aren’t profitable tho????
Because the end result of that isn’t that you would just get amazing games all of a sudden because dev teams are so kind and loving… you would just gradually stop getting AA/AAA games as the industry shrunk and shrunk over time and they’d be less ambitious.
What you need to do, if you want to get the result you want, is convince the consumer base to desire the same things as you.
The market is just a reflection of what people spend money on. Supply and demand
@Cluckstopper there's short term profitable vs long term profitable and the big corps are currently gaming short term stuff that will bite them in the ass as aaa games get funneled into narrower and narrower types, and their workers get ticked enough to unionise then force them to do what I was suggesting anyway, except with the additional pain of dealing with a union.
This is exactly what happened to cdpr, which got multiple layoffs in a row despite big profits, and then the devs unionised.
Cdpr has not yet recognised the union and there are likely to be suits brought before Labour boards. Their short term profit taking with 3 rounds of layoffs is going to hit them with instability and long term disruption.
That's going to happen more and more.
@@v312ym34n_is_very_mean what do you consider “long term”?
I don’t entirely disagree but I think what you’re missing is that short term profits are required to maintain long term goals, and the gaming industry is already running on fairly thin margins nowadays.
Non public traded companies don’t. Valve … is an outlier I guess
This is so on point for both games. Basically my exact thoughts when I played both games. I wanted to love SF and was basically heartbroken when uninstalling it to make space for the Lies of P, and Cyberpunk devoured my mind. I've not been young for a while now and I'm staying up past 2AM just playing this game. Incredible feeling.
I'm glad Starfield exists. It wouldn't run on my 2060super alienware so I upgraded. Now cyberpunk looks amazing. finished it 2 times before the upgrade. 3rd time with the new. And now waiting on some more mods and tuning and will finish it a fourth time.
Wait so you spent all this money to upgrade your computer to play a game you don't even want to play, when cyberpunk would've run just fine on your 2060 super?
@@Sneakyboson you dont understand him
@@Sneakyboson??? He didnt know Starfield would be this boring when he purchased it clearly, but thankfully at least he got to enjoy Cyberpunk in its full glory. Not the other way around
As someone who’s never really gotten into Bethesda’s style of games, it’s nice to see everyone kind of being where I was 12 years ago when Skyrim came out.
i think what makes these 2 different is that, had cyberpunk launched without the bugs, it would of been a great game. Starfield is just fundamentally broken
You're going to love Phantom Liberty 👍
Got the DLC yesterday. Can't wait to get to it!
very underrated video, im a newcomer to your channel and your videos feel like the quality of 100k+ subs youtubers. keep it up
Thank you! I just started expanding my content back into Variety. So I plan to do more content like this going forward 😀
Its great that Starfield seems generally stable, even if the load screens are a pain. But despite having a whole new setting to explore, its clear that Bethesda is falling back on its preferred design patterns. But Cyberpunk 2077 and the Witcher 3 did much more dynamic cutscenes, Prey had much more elegant systems for menu management and many others innovated on the core pillars, I think all those are worth examining and building upon. So its natural for players to contrast against those experiences and hold it to a higher standard.
@5:03 They will not blink... then shows a character blinking 5 times. That makes this video look kind of bad.
The two most interesting instances of gaming subverting expectations in the last year:
1) The Callisto Protocol being terrible despite being created by the original co-creator of the first Dead Space; while the EA-lead remake of the original Dead Space ending up being fucking amazing.
2) Starfield ends up being mid at best, less about space exploration and more about fast travel. It has more in common with The Outer Worlds than No Man's Sky. Meanwhile, CyberPunk's 2.0 update and DLC end up making the game an instant recommendation.
What universe are we in? What is this timeline?
6:07 While there are parts that look interesting in Starfield even from it's announcement I said to myself "this looks like The Outerworld but without any of the charm or style" most reviews I've seen of the game seem to prove that impression right. I don't think the game looks like a bad game, just one i've kind of already played better versions of before.
I've seen a lot of people talk badly about Starfield, in all honesty the moment I heard about it every ounce of care I had was gone in an instant. Had friends telling me "It'll be great, Bethesda wouldn't mess up again after 76 you'll see!" or "Everything about it will be new."
Didn't take long for me to realise how blinded they were. The more news that came out, the more venom you could feel rising at the back of your throat. But and here's the main thing Bethesda should've learnt, that Todd Howard should've learnt. At least listen, and don't make fun of people. Someone says your game isn't optimised? Don't just say "Upgrade your pc." because it's going to make you look like a massive throbbing bell end. Even the guy next to Todd chuckled at his response, don't know who he was though. Either way, it's just going to make people hate you. Saint's row reboot is one game where nobody listened to the fans, and we know what happened.
I didn't buy starfield, never going to play it. Lost faith in bethesda after fallout 4, with so many things wrong with that game. Looking at Starfield gameplay from space combat, story and everything in between. I just say screw it, because I highly doubt it's going to get better. With what I've heard and seen, I can confidently say they looked at space games to try and mix them all into starfield. No man sky, things like destiny or borderlands, anything that is popular and cocked it up royally. Because they don't trust the players, have passion, and have a writing team worthy of praise. You shouldn't have your players be the most famous person in every single faction at the same time. Because then it makes no sense.
You reply with what ever, I don't care how angry some of you will be reading this. A game like 76 came out in 2018, two years before CP2077. In less than three years, CPR did their damndest to make the game how it should've been. Bethesda pawned 76 to one of there other studios somewhere, pretty sure I heard somewhere that modders they hired are working on 76 now. Can't be sure on that. If it's true though then they literally are just letting the modders fix their games. Fallout 76 still isn't good.
If you made it this far have a metaphorical high five, an old Thenthapple saying. Don't let love blind you, because it's one sided. You give bethesda 80% they barely give you 30, both in trust, and framerate. And if you genuinely did read through this, christ was reading some long ramble from some weirdo from the internet really interest you that much? Maybe I could give like space combat recommendations I guess? Star wars battle front 2 2005 i guess. Space combat is fun on that. Plus people are still playing it so you can find a lobby.
I was hyped for starfield but the trailer started giving me red flags. Everything looked so bland. I still played on day one gamepass and quickly realized the trailer wasn't lying.
I’m surprised how mixed the reviews are on this, I’ve already played almost 100 hours and I’ve been loving it.
its just mixed between people who value their money and time and the people who do not...
people forget that bethesda is backed by zenimax and microsoft, two behemoths and that they charged 70usd minimum for Starfield. This is what they can deliver with all that? A mediocre, buggy, impractical, boring (sometimes infuriating), inconsistent and contradictory experience? They should be bashed, held accountable...
microsoft charges 10 bucks with gamepass while CDPR charged full price for cyberpunks launch@@ioritenshi
Low IQ individuals tend to love Bethesda games I notice that
Cyberpunk makes me feel something and the last time I had that feeling was rdr2 I played starfield for 80+ hours could not be bothered to finish it after CP 2.0 update
The space travel is a problem. You should occasionally and randomly be knocked out of hyperspace and find yourself in a situation. You should be able to cruise between planets in a system and have random encounters.
Starfeld is the first game I quit in a long time to me it feels lifeless. But with cyberpunk 2077 (yes it was buggy) I love it now it feels more like the pen and paper game
That intro KILLED me. Great content fr!
I just played Cyberpunk through for the first time. fantastic experience on all levels, shame the game didn’t release in the state it is now.
I can't stop playing and can't stop thinking about it when I'm not playing. Im over 400 hours with only 1 NG+.
worst thing is they will use the same engine for skyrim 6 as well which makes me really really worried.
I pirated Starfield and i still wanted a refund of my time and bandwidth.
I pirated cyberpunk and i bought it the same day and then bought Phantom Liberty on release day.
I still boot cyberpunk just to walk around.
I still think of Starfield and all the fanboys coping hard they wasted 70 bucks in it and convincing others the game becomes good after 15 hours.
I got 3 hours into Starfield and decided I have better things to do with my life. Like any of my other games. Haha.
Perhaps the game is not for you then, like many others also.
I felt the same
Saaamee.
Apparently it only gets good after 50 hours
@@silviu94dude I wanted elder scrolls 6 not this no mans outer worlds spinoff it's been 11 years fks sake
2k subscribers? Bro. This is quality measured content. Subscribed. See you at the top man.
One of the reasons why Cyberpunk excels at immersing players within its world is due to its abundance of gameplay options, vast story, and significant replay value. The gameplay itself is truly exhilarating, and CDPR has successfully made the ability to impact events within the game a key focus. With nearly 4k hours spent playing over the past 3 years, Cyberpunk has become my all-time favorite universe and media. It’s an unforgettable and captivating immersive experience with plentiful possibilities.
The finer details really keep me immersed. Like your screen lightly bobbing indicating breaths and various subtle movements. Not to mention the random gang fights. Plus now with 2.0 the police chases and getting hunted down give that wicked adrenaline pump.
The car in the warehouse is a Ken Block tribute, hence the number 43 on the back.
It's a great car. Drives like a charm. And it's free.
It makes me happy when I see people who recognize the significance and not just "cool free car"
Such a wonderful tribute. May the legend rest in peace
Totally agree. Can’t lie, I bought into the Starfield hype train 💯!! Had high hopes after installing. Several hours into it along with several more do overs?? I just couldn’t get invested into it. It just felt meh to me. My son was also interested in purchasing but was swayed by reviews to hold off until Christmas in hopes of any improvements. Tbh I’m not sure what I was expecting but will make an eventual return in the new year.
We are the same on nearly every point in this video. Even up to Oblivion being the first Bethesda game played and loved. I really hope modders fix and make Starfield more worth playing.
And there lies the problem. Bethesda is just to fucking lazy knowing they have a mod scene that can fix their shit product.
Imagine you're a game dev and management asks you to make a futuristic game with a rehashed 20 year old engine.
Bethesda has been living in the past this entire time. Just look at how many times they released skyrim.
I modernized my PC for this very reason for FH5, but got such huge gain I ended up playing Jedi Survivor on PC instead of console and all my older games benefited a lot to the point I can play most at max settings.
My history with CP2077:
- Finished the CP2077 base game at least 6 times; twice with each career path.
- Finished the DLC twice from a previous end-game save for both good/bad endings.
- Currently playing the game from start to finish (with DLC) as a Nomad.
- Plan on playing it from start to finish at least two more times so I can experience everything with all three career paths.
My history with Starfield:
- Finished it twice just to make different choices with the CF and SysDef questline and romance another companion.
- Haven't touched it in weeks and I don't play to touch it ever again unless there's an absolutely massive DLC that's longer than the base game. After the first NG+ playthrough it completely falls flat.
- I still play Fallout 4 and Skyrim to this day.
I feel the same way. I generally like Bethesda games, and Oblivion is still my favorite. Skyrim was good but not as great as Oblivion, but it was more up-to-date and enjoyable. Same with Fallout 3/4. I heard about the Fallout 76 horrendous launch, which has kept me away. After Starfield, I have more hope for Skyblivion than a good Elder Scroll game from Bethesda.
Starfield felt like a bait-and-switch for me. While the game was showcased in the best light possible, I am so glad I opted for the Game Pass for Windows instead of buying it on Steam/GMG at 70 USD. It was tempting to get the $90 version, but I knew it was a Bethesda game, and it would be a buggy game. Paying for an early release is just horrible for single-player games. If it was online, paying for early release would ease the company into a soft launch and help the server from being overwhelmed.
I tried liking Starfield; I played about 90 hours, and I just had enough, especially the slow leveling and the perk system seriously hindering the experience for specific play styles. For example, stealth gameplay needs to be fixed. People have put videos of their "stealth builds," it is awful, more like speed-running the base and killing the enemies without triggering the alarm. While it is impressive, it is terrible for methodical stealth play. Melee combat in this game is horrendous as your health goes down quickly, and you need to rely on med kits. You have a minimal option when it comes to weapons, as well. By the time the game becomes "enjoyable," you need to sink at least 40 hours into the game, leveling up your carrying capacity, oxygen, combat skills, and weapon proficiency, leveling up your piloting... I just got bored being forced to play the game one way.
Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand, did have a rocky launch. I played it on PC and enjoyed it. I had a few bugs, but nothing drastic. Mainly played for the fixer Gigs, NCPD scanners, and just goofing around. I spent about 150 hours playing the game and left Dex waiting. Whenever a new patch was launched, I restarted the game and refused to play the game's story until the game was "fixed." I enjoyed the game's freedom to build your character how you want. Right out the bat, when you get your freedom to play the game, you have many options of weapons and skills you can play with. Most often, once I did 100% of Watson, I was already level 42, which was enough to play whatever build I wanted.
When 2.0 and Phantom Liberty were released, I played the game from the beginning again for the 6th time. Primarily focusing on the story this time. When I finished the Voodoo Boys mission, I received a call from Song Bird, and triggered the mission to enter Dog Town. I do believe what a lot of reviewers said. Cyberpunk 2077 feels like a whole new game, especially for the skill tree revamp and many recent updates in the 2.0 release.
Phantom Libery is incredible, and all I can say is If this is what CDPR has now, I can't wait for what Cyberpunk 2/Orion will be like. Moving from the Red Engine to the Unreal Engine means they have something to work with, and I can't wait.
Sadly, Starfield isn't on my GOTY list. There have been a lot of good games this year, and it is tough to pick, but Baldur's Gate 3 is a solid contender for being #1, at least for me. It's a game that seriously has broken the internet and game chart for months since its release. Tears of the Kingdom would be a runner-up.
So many great games are released this year, like Hogward's Legacy and Resident Evil 4 Remake. Dead Space remake, Jedi Survivor, Like a Dragon Ishin, and a few like Spiderman 2 that still need to be released, TBD. 2023 is overall a fantastic year for gaming.
Kind of insane hearing your experience with framrates after you explained your build. There is something very clearly wrong with the way this game uses Nvidia graphics cards, I have a radeon 6800xt (about the same as a 3080) with very similar other specs to you and I averaged around 70-80 frames in new Atlantis.
Regardless, both our cards should be pushing way more frames than this, but its hard to ignore the favoritism towards AMD be it intentional or not. Really hoping they can further optimize, but their precambrian Era game engine has me doubtful.
I have a freaking 3090 and still get some hiccups. It’s mostly playable, but damn.
Imagine if Starfield had a hardcore Survival mode, where you had to actually prepare to go from planet to planet. And where there was a chain of planets you had to progress through. Go to planet X, and get these minerals you need to upgrade your suit. You need the upgraded suit in order to go to planet Y without dying in 10 seconds from the extreme conditions. The fact you can go anywhere sounds cool only in practice. It removes all sense of progression, and all sense of danger or feelings of success, and sense of accomplishment.
What you're describing is No Man's Sky
if starfield just
-hired voice actor for your characters lines
-updated combat
-replaced quicktravel with maybe zoom animations like eve online
- updated character graphics
i would honestly rate it super high. i get the whole several mini maps compiled to one big world and zoom on character faces to pick box xyz is how bethesda has done every game but its just so outdated especially considering they have the money and skill to make interactions feel real like cyberpunk does.
I have fully completed all of starfield and have done all I can see. I have found that the problem with the game is there is no urgency to do anything even with the main quest which just makes the game stale and boring.
I think the lack of urgency is a good thing, an urgent main quest does not work well with an open world RPG.
One interesting detail, since you mentioned Oblivion...
Damn, the character faces in Starfield even felt like a step down in comparison to Oblivion, when you look at it in retrospective. Hell, I can even remember seeing that speechcraft minigame for the first time, thinking it was best thing ever and best usage of technology at the time. With all those faces changing expressions from angry to happy to surprised (Even Khajiit characters lowering their ears while angry, like the feline they are 😄). Same thing happened when you hold out your weapon and pointing it at their direction, making them all suspicious and angry and you could see that in their potato-shaped faces. It was wonderful. Makes you wonder if Bethesda even tries nowadays...
It always annoys me when people tell me "It gets better after X hours." Why? Why is the game making me go through X hours before it gets good? Why isn't it good from the beginning?
Imagine if you go to a restaurant, and decided that food tasted bland. Then another client tells you that it gets better if you eat here 10 times. What?
Good games hook you from the start. The first hour playing a game should grab you and keep you. If it doesn't, it's a bad game. Period. Anybody saying otherwise is an apologist for bad design.
I hate that argument, people are getting confused with the time it takes to get used to playing being the time it takes to like it, I knew I liked the game well before I felt like I understood how the systems worked, it took me probably 8-10 hours to get a feel for scanning, menu nav, ship control and combat, etc. I feel like that’s where people are getting confused telling people they’ll like it after that amount of time, but to be honest as a fan of the game if you didn’t think you’ll like the it by the time the tutorials done you’re right lol. Don’t bother wasting time getting used to it just to come to the same conclusion
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Not everyone has the time to spend 40 hours a week in a game.
@@Isengardtom40 hrs a week aint a videogame no more. that's a goddamn job.
Let's stick to the topic of the video.
First two hours of Starfield: You ride down in a slowest elevator in the universe, listen through some exposition dump, grab a mining lazor and mine some rocks listening to more exposition dump, you find some kind of artifact, you go back to the elevator listening to more exposition dump, you wait for a ship to land to listen to some more exposition dump, pirates attack, you get your ship, you deliver artifact to Constellation - game begins.
First two hours of Cyberpunk: You have this smuggling job that goes tits up, you meet Jackie, you get this job from Dex that will make you rich, you need to prepare for the heist, you meet with a cyber-prostitute that gives you recording from her brain of the penthouse you are supposed to raid, then you steal a spider-bot from bunch of cyborg-looking psycho junkies, then you infiltrate the hotel, you find the package, Saburo Arasaka arrives, gets killed by his son, you try to sneak out from the hotel under lockdown, jackie gets hit, you barely make it saved by AI driven super-cab, Jackie dies, Dex is pissed and shoots you in the head - game begins
For the uninitiated, the wanted level and combat and stealth is a feature that has already been there since launch, they just polished it more in 2.0. Vehicle chase and combat though is new.
2:07 same reaction but for me it was fallout 3 that blew my mind. SPesficly the moment you get to the washington monument. And the rain effects are kicking in and theres a war going on and your just watching all that. its a core gameing memory for me.
19:03 Cyberpunk combat: You can also go slash slash. and be an anime charictor if you go into blades you slice and deflect bullets. with a full on perry system.
I completed Cyberpunk 1000G in the December of release, the story, relationships and gameplay were amazing despite the performance issues at the time. Amazing for the 110 hours it took me to hit 1000G
On the flip side, I'm already 115 hours into Starfield with only 630 / 1000G. The main story is one mission from completion, but I have SO much more exploring to do, and missions to find. Sure, character development isn't great, the story is a little lacklustre, but NG+ should bring a nice twist to a replay once I've completed all the missions in the first playthrough.
Meanwhile, Cyberpunk is lacking that replayability factor that will keep me coming back to Starfield for many, many more hours.
Endless procedurally generated gameplay doesn't mean it's engaging.
You could explore new, never seen by players, star systems in Elite Dangerous for the next thousand years, it'd still be pretty boring.
@nonegone7170 It's not all procedurally generated though, is it. I''ve been playing 115 hours of pre-designed main missions and side missions, and there will be more considering every system has a few pre-designed locations.
Gonna spoil it for you. NG+ will add no nice twist to your replay
@musicfrog5488 I already know what NG+ adds. A slight twist to the main story with various scenarios in the lodge, but also additional dialogue options to quests that you've already completed (which should be all of them, before I move on).
It also provides me a chance to rectify some of the mistakes I made with the first playthrough.
People play games for different reasons, some people like the RPG element....you all need to stop being so butthurt and let people enjoy games in the way they want to
Never played Starfield, probably never will.
Loved Cyberpunk, but you are right there is a bit of a replayability issue with Cyberpunk -- only so many ways you can switch things up storywise or buildwise.
No randomly generated missions, no dynamic NPCs that wander the entire map like M'aiq the liar. Sure there are over 60 fixer missions ontop of the dozen or so main missions and the other few dozen side quests -- and then add in DLC stuff -- but after you plow through all of that the replayability for those comes from playing them again for a different outcome or trying something differently, new dialogue choices, etc.
But nothing to take advantage of randomly generated missions like assassinations, spying, stealing, hacking into, etc. No endless freeplay, mostly for story related purposes but still. However, there really is no point to all of that since by doing every single missions you'll easily max out your level with enough missions left to go so you can enjoy being a max level character with more than enough money to not worry about buying anything.
I played Starfield for 69 hours, I didn't beat the main story, I did some of the side quests, but my main gripe is it's just so goddamn easy! Even on the hardest difficulty, the only thing that's even remotely difficult is ship combat. Game just didn't end up being what I was hoping for, and I bought it... wish I would've just played it on game pass ;(
yeah same i am really lazy to do the quest because of the NG+, maybe i open another new save just for the story.. hehe
If it 'very hard' was "that easy", you'd have finished it before ya got, apparently got bored. 😃 - I'm on NG+4, not taking the express option so far; and I would never say 'very hard' is easy. It beat you. Thats the truth.
@@palpaladin315 that’s not how it works. Something can be easy and also take a long time to finish. There’s nothing wrong with that, as long as it’s fun. Starfield just isn’t fun for a lot of people.
It feels like they purposefully made everything take forever because it would be on Game Pass. They wanted to stretch the engagement metrics and milk the monthly subscriptions.
@@WholeHolyHole Thats exactly how it works, stop talking shit. Its a game, you're either skilled at games, or not
Nice.👌
I really wanted to love this game, but I just couldn’t… I am similar to you, putting hundreds of hours into Skyrim, etc, but Starfield was not only extremely boring, it also felt like they padded the game with so much fetch questing, lame progression walls, and running everywhere (no vehicles in a space game???). Great, honest review!
Yeah, even Mass Effect 1 had a vehicle for planet exploration. They could at least give us a hover bike or something.
A big criticism I've had of Bethesda games (that I left out) is how frequent fetch quests are. I don't mind them in general but Bethesda LOVES to make us play fetch
I must admit ive been sippin that koolaid and this was sobering. It does feel old, mostly empty and frustrating.
Remember finding the old hag in the woods in Skyrim? She looked like a sweet old woman but had a dungeon and turned out to be a witch. That moment will never leave me. The sheer wonder of discovering this lady out here.
Ive never once had that feeling with Starfield.
Its just not good enough and we deserve better after waiting so long.
Looking forward to your next video!
I have played over 50 hours in Starfield and no the game doesn't magically get better. It is a good game just not the game changer everyone though it would be.
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How it is good ? Because you see a lovecraftian monster there and there ? That dont make the game good. Its definitely wack.
Some games get better with time like Ffxiv with each expansion but ARR is pretty solid
It can be a good game, but a great game. I think 80 points score average that most people give is fair. Definitely not a horrible game. I see worst