Starfield is "F***ing Trash" Say Modders - Inside Games
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[reddit, r/truegaming] - The Starfield Effect: review scores decline over time
[Eurogamer] Eurogamer and Starfield, Why our review will be late. - www.eurogamer.net/eurogamer-a...
[UA-cam, NakeyJakey] Bethesda's Game Design Was Outdated a Decade Ago - • Bethesda's Game Design...
[GamesRadar] Dev behind massive Skyrim multiplayer mod turns their hands to Starfield, gives up because "this game is f***ing trash," uploads everything for someone else to finish - www.gamesradar.com/dev-behind...
[The Verge] Microsoft acquired Bethesda after hearing Starfield would be exclusive to PlayStation - www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23...
[IGN] Bethesda Is Responding to Negative Reviews of Starfield on Steam - www.ign.com/articles/bethesda...
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[GamesRadar] Starfield lead designer reacts to the RPG surpassing 12 million players: "It’s hard not to feel pretty great about that" - www.gamesradar.com/starfield-...
[reddit, r/Starfield] Starfield Update 1.8.88 Notes - December 11, 2023 - / kd1l4m0
[GamesRadar] Phil Spencer wants Starfield to be a 12-year hit, just like Skyrim - www.gamesradar.com/phil-spenc...
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Bethesda: We'll fix it later. (Modders, please fix our game)
Modders: Game is trash.
Modders have a Financial interest in modding even bad games because they make bank on patreon subs. They cant sell the mod but they get donations that more than make up for it. When your game is so bad that even modders are not gonna waste their time to mod/fix it even for money..........that spells the end of your company.
There is literally no way that Elder Scrolls 6 wont be a failure at this point.
I haven't played Starfield yet, but I had assumed that it being so empty and boring would have made it more of a black canvas for modders. Once I have a PC that can run it I am interested in trying it out.
@@jonathan0berg It's pretty empty and boring, sadly.
I would say that previous mods had fixed the game and added some enhancements. The way I understand the modders opinion was that even if they fixed the game, it was still a boring game to play. Starfield needs a major overhaul which mere mods will not do.
@jonathan0berg The problem is that they keep screwing over people who use mods in games like Skyrim by doing "updates" (that no one wants) which break all your mods and forcce you to start from scratch. Then some of your mods get updated, and some never do and are no longer usable.
"I don't have to be a chef to know the food tastes bad". Love it.
"Don't let those faulty tastebuds of yours fool you into thinking you could do any better" - Chef Bethesda
The first astronauts on the moon argument falls apart, when you remember that they brought a car.
Or that they were ACTUALLY ON THE FUCKING MOON. 🤣
To be fair, that was the second moonlanding, but still fair point.
Pagliarulo telling gamers they dont know about game development, while he depends on gamers to fix his games, is truly an all time bad take.
I hadn’t even considered that angle. If I were a modder I’d feel insulted.
The worst part is that 1) some of the criticisms were fixed day 1 by modders like a better inventory menu and 2) the criticisms like the game is boring would remain regardless if it was easy or hard to make a game.
I think the big issue is a lot of devs seem deadset in their frame of mind when it comes to what they think makes for a good game. Players will be first to tell you what's not fun - and they can be an arrogant and spiteful bunch. But if players are saying "Your game is kinda boring and empty.", then maybe consider the fact that your game might actually be boring and empty?...
yeah gamers are Arrogant, self entitled and alot of the time uninformed about game development. but when it comes to enjoyment. Brutally honest
@@metakarukenshi I think a lot of people will be brutally honest after spending $70 on a dog turd.
@@bulkvanderhuge9006 but thats what im saying. just sucks that gamers are also so arrogant that some abuse the devs themselves. the devs made a terrible game, but they are people deserving of respect.
@@metakarukenshi Respect is earned, they don't get respect for just doing their just they're paid for. it's a hard job with long hours, booo hooo, join the club where people do that I don't get any recognition and worse pay
@@retrowrath9374 maybe but they deserve to be treated with common decency. You know? Not getting death threats and personal insults over a bad product. Tear the product to shreds with criticism sure. But don’t insult or verbally abuse the people
Lots of people working hard to make something doesn't automatically make it good. I work hard too and sometimes it ends up being trash. Life's about accepting that sometimes things are bad, despite your best efforts. Accept it, learn, move on.
My favorite metaphor to dismantle that non-argument is "I have IBS, so for me it takes a lot of hard work to poop. That doesn't mean it's something people will want to look at."
"Hard work betrays none, but dreams betray many. working hard alone doesn't assure you that you'll achieve your dreams. actually there are more cases where you don't. even so, working hard and achieving something is some consolation at least."
@@Dargonhuman Clearly you don't know what IBS is, nevertheless it's obvious that you put "a lot of hard work" into your argument.................. you talk SHIT.
With Fallout 4 at least I played it for 70 hours and at the very end said " I guess that was okay." I played Starfield for 20 and haven't thought about it since.
The way they blamed the playerbase on Twitter for not liking the game was pretty bad. This isn't just some trendy hate train. People who have played Bethesda games for years have valid criticism in which they feel they aren't being properly heard. I feel like going back and playing Oblivion would be a much better use of time tbh...
And that is the problem, they never listened and now it is catching up with them since they have opps now.
@@AntMcLeod They've had competition all along. Maybe Daggerfall and Morrowind were the point where their games had some measure of uniqueness.
But even then, there were other games from all kinds of genres competing with them.
Their shit isn't catching up with them because they have competition, it is more that Starfield is just an objectively bad game. I'm having fun goofing around, but the story is kind of boring, the animations and combat mechanics are simply adequate, the RPG elements are imbalanced and boring... it just isn't a good game.
Bethesda has the resources to make great games. They have a few under their belt. They can do it again. Or they can burn out and die. It is 100% on them.
Bethesda devs are dumbborn i must say..
Oblivion, Morrowind and admittedly Skyrim are absolute masterpieces. They're all different in their own way with their own unique quirks and interesting worlds.
They'll turn around and point to the praise they get from fanboys who've also played Bethesda games for years. Nothing like hiding behind blind praise.
The fact they started to tell people they are playing the game wrong still blows my mind.
Well, I played the game wrong for about two days before deciding I didn't feel like playing it "correctly." At this point, Bethesda's next release has to have good reviews BEFORE I buy it.
I get the impression that they released this game with the plan in mind to let modders make it into this incredible thing, and then take the credit for it. Like here's a box of random Legos, if you makes something awesome, it's thanks to our Legos
Cunning and tasteless
Exactly right
I think is half that. They released it knowing is a big world with many empty spaces modders could create in and makes less boring but the other half is that such a game needs huge numbers of assets to feel very alive.
The game needed like 5 times the numbers of cities it has etc and while trying to add the thing they put inside they had less time to optimize A.I, graphics etc in more detail. But to create everything it will need a development cyrcle of at least a few years more and that will be bad for profit so they went with "release it and fix it later" mentality.
Everyone at Bethesda living in a circlejerk bubble ever since Skyrim. They're so disconnected with the current market it's hilarious. Todd needs to go, they need new leadership.
Kind of like Bioware after Mass Effect 2.
Funniest thing is that Skyrim isn't even a good game.
@@arsstvit is a good game it's just starfield is trash
Don’t forget “design doc is a waste of time” Emil.
@@thelegendxxx1409Its a joke of an rpg.
You can feel bad for the lower level Bethesda employees, but we've got to bully the hell out of directors like Todd and Emil so they know we won't stand for procedurally generated Elder Scrolls 6.
Devs THEMSELVES said that they go with every little shit to Tod Howard and in the end he is the person that makes all the decisions. So in other words focusing on multimillionaire that is clearly uncapable of grasping what was shit and what was great in 'his' games is... kinda deserved.
Who gives a shit about Elder Scrolls 6? If it's made by Bethesda it will be trash as well. This company is dead.
@@wardvandecotte9253😱💣💥🦴
Or just play a different game...
why bother with TES 6? the _actual_ creators of TES is making a new game and it'll probably be out by the time the rip-off version of TES gets a new entry. it'll apparently be fully procedurally generated with a full AI story teller of some kind.
I think everyone would be much happier with a smaller New Vegas 2, with no base building no dumb resource scavenging mechanics. Just give us a good a solid story with lots of choices and decent gun play. Obsidian did it again with outer worlds.
Hated New Vegas. That game to me was bland and boring so I would probably skip that one.
@@MoonDoggie82 🙄
@MoonDoggie82 I go back to new Vegas more than fallout 3, but you're not totally wrong. You can tell it was rushed and you can see it wasn't finished, the foundation to alot of things that they wanted to do. Some parts have alot off effort put into it while others you can flat out see they stopped half way through. It's defiantly noticeable. Time restraints really kill a game..
I loved fallout 4s base building. Just not its story
@@BrandonDenny-we1rwThe construction in FO4 was such an awesome, interesting mechanic but with no real gameplay to accompany it.
It was its own meaningless activity that only tiny portions of the game even seemed to acknowledge the existence of, ultimately making it feel tacked on to another separate game that was already having an identity crisis.
Starfield aged like milk and Cyberpunk aged like wine
The irony that Bethesda would call out gamers for not understanding game development when those gamers have been fixing Bethesda's games for well over a decade.
You were spot on with the game awards. No apology needed. It is one big commercial for a very mono part of the industry.
starfield was the most meh bethesda game to date
Truly a game of our time 😗
The only high praise I saw for it came from folks who'd never played other space/sci-fi RPG's, and lacked any comparison to other games in the genre.
Beth-meh-da
I think it's better than Falout 4
Less fun than Fallout 4. Fallout 4 was more dense with content. Starfield spreads all that content throughout a large void if nothingness
I've had fun with the game but the criticism is very valid. especially if mods won't be able to fix it 😬
Really giving me reason to have doubts about Elder scrolls 6. 😞
It’s because Xbox sucks lol 😂😊
@@JavierRamirez-lx4evHonestly if this was a couple years ago I’d say your full of it, but Xbox been taking so many L’s with their IP’s I’m starting to think that there’s something wrong with leadership.
How TF do you go a decade of taking L after L and learn nothing?!
@@JavierRamirez-lx4ev How did you write this comment from 2014?
Modders won't add much. Most of the TES modding crowd doesn't like Starfield, wasn't interested in it in the first place or are not willing to work for free adding content to Starfield that should have been in it to begin with.
The amount of work that goes into modding, the scripting, the .nif/3D modeling, retexturing, bugfixing, it's just not worth it for a game that's just so painfully boring.
Adding mods to games like Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim adds great spice to an already flavorful dish. Trying to mod Starfield is adding salt and pepper to a plain piece of chicken. Like yeah, you'll have some spice, but it's so bland, what good does it really do? Like there isn't much point to new quests, new weapons, armors when there is no content to use it with.
I've never fallen so hard off of a Bethesda game. After finishing it there was just nothing compelling keeping me wanting to play it anymore. Exploration was non-existent and I never felt the urge to look around for stuff when everything around me was aggressively bland. I wanted more fulfilling stories, too.
I couldn't even finish the main 😪
I got all of about 2 hours into it. After the 307th loading screen I was just over it. I was so hyped. I fukken love space games, exploration, discovery, and Starfield made it boring. That's it. That's all a review needs. "I personally, was bored". I don't need to know how hard you worked, or what design process you had, if it's boring, I'm just not gonna play it and I'm certainly not going to praise it.
I made it all the way thru all the content… hoping and praying something cool or interesting would come along. It never did. Finishing the game left me feeling empty. I had like 3 achievements left so I literally cheated them. Like I downgraded my patch to exploit just so I could be done with the game forever. 🤣
I feel like the blame doesn't so much fall with the developing team as a whole. I think the game direction was the failing. Rather than going for the ridiculous task of making a whole Galaxy they should have just stuck to a single solar system. It would have allowed development to be more focused on a handful of world. Especially since they haven't made anything like this before, it feels like they attempted to somersault before they learned to crawl.
thing is what you think they needed to focus on is in the game,we have about 3-4 main story's across planets we got 3-4 planets with lots of story's on them and then we got a large amount of just free roamen open planets with lots of diffirent atmosfires and creatures on it.
so ya its all in the game realy,i realy dont understand the hate.
the funny thing about your comment is i keep running into comments of people saying "they as in bethesda" never try anything new when your statement suggests they tried something new to them and they failed.
the thing is, most people were afraid this was going to be a flop long before they started development on starfield when they announced the idea of doing a space game, they wanted to make a game like NMS, but better, however as it turns out, it's nowhere near as good as NMS when it comes to being a space game, they have the potential for that but they just couldn't do it for whatever reason.
i know a lot of people like to blame this old engine, but i think most people don't understand this engine is good for some things and not so much for other things, and bethesda a company will often do things the safe way, never allow children to be killed in their games or allow the player to kill plot NPC's at any point in their quests because they assume that the player will like their story enough to never want to do anything else other than the same things each time they play, i suppose they did at least offer the new game plus feature, but the base story is boring at best.
i see the potential with this engine and all it's quarks as making something really amazing, but it seems the talent at bethesda is lacking significantly when it comes to story telling and things they did to their perk system to some very flawed things they added to the game design that doesn't feel good enough for players for this type of game.
i mean they actually thought the player would enjoy going through 6 loading screens just to drop off their mission details to some guy at the main command instead of idk calling the guy with some kind of long range communicator system and completing the mission that way like a normal scifi would do it in a show or a movie, so there is some things bethesda does that are really old game design that makes their games feel samey and boring and tedious.
and with as much procedural generation they used for this game was a bad idea altogether and people really didn't want them to follow NMS in their footsteps on this and yet here we are with this same nonsense everyone was afraid they would do.
@@MarcustheseerFree roam planets? There isnt a single one in starfield. You got 48 custom locations and 100s of proc gen landscapes with nothing to do.
People who have played nms or cyberpunk 1.5+ will see who lazy and uninspired starfield is.
And i dont think its gonna have a redemption arc, hellogames and Cdpr acknowledged it said sorry were gonna make it right. Bethesda has said no your wrong its good.
Everything lacks creativity so badly, ''starborn'' who would think this is a good idea?..
@@MarcustheseerI think every RPG fan disappointed by Bethesda needs to read this comment. This is who they are targeting with their games. They can barely read the back of a shampoo bottle but they'll spend hundreds of hours brainlessly playing games like Skyrim, Starfield or Fallout 3, 4, 76.
The comparison to Cyberpunk and No man’s sky is really interesting because those games separate focuses (Engaging open world RPG, and Space exploration) are essentially what this game sought to combine. I worry that there won’t a redemption arc because it falls short on both regards and those studios worked tirelessly and almost solely on fixing the games’ problems so folks could see the magic that was buried underneath. Starfield almost feels like it’s shallow in both of those aspects and I’m not sure how a studio would go about fixing the problems while also enhancing those aspects but it would certainly be a monumental story if they did. That being said, with Bethesda’s recent track record (Fallout 4, 76, and re-releasing Skyrim 50 times) I’m not very hopeful unfortunately.
Starfield won't get a redemption arc because the lead developers & management genuinely believe there is nothing wrong with the game-the exact opposite of the teams at CDPR & Hello Games.
I honestly think bethesda is just on the decline ever since Skyrim came out.
For others even before that Because they find Skyrim a downgrade.
@@nielsmichiels1939Skyrim is a downgrade, every bethesda game since morrowind is a downgrade.
@@nielsmichiels1939there wont be a redemption arc because the higher ups at bethesda dont care. The higher ups behind cyberpunk and nms actually gave a fuck about making the experience better
@@nielsmichiels1939 They've been on the decline since Morrowind. They put their heart and soul in to that game as it HAD to succeed for the studio to continue existing. And it did. They've basically made the same thing since then but dumbed it down with nicer graphics. Even Oblivion felt kind of dated, Fallout 3 certainly did.
Man I just hope they set the scope smaller for TES VI.
Work on the engine, make an immersive fantastic world, not overly huge.
QUALITY OVER QUANTITY TODD.
idk why bethesda thought that when they took out the best aspect of their games it’d be better
Bethesda magic was modders fixing every game.
people need to understand that bethesda is no longer a game making company they are a modding template company. thats how they see themselves at this point.
Not if modders walk away 😂
It's so transparent too.
Bethesda lost their way after Dishonored. ESO, FO4, FO76, Starfield, Redfall, all of it was underwhelming at worst and middling at best. I've been scared for TES VI since Bethesda tried putting paid mods on the Steam Workshop in 2015.
The base game has to be good enough for modders to take interest in, which Skyrim is.
Just wanted to say I just found you guys. Again. Seeing you two back to making content again has brought my childhood back
Only in the entertainment industry are customers just expected to take a sh1t product and not complain.
"I can guess what it takes to make a Hostess Twinkie..." Yeah, but give us a Twinkie with no cream, we can complain.
I swear every time I try to play this game my body tries to force me to go to bed.
My half-hour commute to work at 4:15 AM and my gas bill *wishes* I had fast travel. Happy to support the channel!
The problem with Phil Spencer wanting Starfield to be the next Skyrim is that that game was multi-platform.
True. It's on PC, 360 and PS3, I've played it on PS3 which was the worst version but still thoroughly enjoyed it.
I'm an animator at a AAA studio and I appreciate you guys. This is the kind of journalism we need, which is why I'm a patron. The artistic/technical talent at Bethesda is impressive to say the least, but as with all other the other big industry players they have struggled on the design. It's really difficult and takes years to find that special sauce! They perhaps relied too heavily on legacy design philosophies and presentation in a gaming landscape and genre that is rapidly evolving. I'm sure their learnings from this will ultimately benefit the next elder scrolls game for sure.
They had no design doc. Sounds like a nightmare.
I'm never giving Bethesda my money ever again.
Videos like these are why I follow you guys. Your videos are never afraid of getting roasted by the Internet hive mind. They're filled with experienced and honest reporting. Thanks for great videos and your hard work!
Exactly why I just subscribed
I played for about 20 hours and I got board. The quest are just so copy paste. At least in FO4 when a settlement needs my help there’s some variation. Very space pirate base seemed to be exactly the same to me.
The NPCs were also super vanilla. Even more so the companions
Yea Lawrence's comment about not needing to be a chef to know the food is bad is exactly the case. I don't know shit about making a game, but I generally know what makes a good game
I don't disagree with this, but there is a difference between complaining and casting aspersions against the job or the people doing the job if you aren't familiar with how those jobs work.
The game is ok, nothing in any of the press releases led me to believe this was anything more than Skyrim/Fallout in space. I am enjoying seeing the differences in each universe as I make different choices.
@@idrinktapwater6174 while I agree with you that I don't need to be a chef to know that my dinner was tasty or less than, I don't think it's helpful in any way shape or form for people to lash out and attack at a game developer simply because they don't like the game. If you don't like the game then by all means please voice your discontent with the game but nobody needs to be lashing out at game developers without knowing the work environment they were under while creating it.
Too many people go from standing still to full-on raging dick head when it comes to critiquing things like video games. Moderation
@@kevinkorenke3569 yea I agree. The devs worked hard, the direction of the game is the fault of management and executives. Even still, they don't deserve hate, simply constructive criticism
@@nothuman3319I don’t even necessarily think that the criticism has to be constructive. When you are served a burnt steak, do you have to give the chef recommendations on how to cook it to acceptable standards? To me if Bethesda wants to improve they’ll be able to look at all of the criticisms that they’ve received and start to figure it out. However when most of the executives who are leading this project have repeatedly said that they literally ignore any and all reviews then people are going to become more toxic as they feel unheard. Some of the replies they’ve given on Steam are insane and are symbolic of a internal culture which is more likely to be abrasive and more likely to double down on mistakes than just apologising, shutting up and fixing issues and making improvements.
"You don't gotta be a chef to know the food tastes bad" is very good
They never had the magic. Obsidian did.
The fact that you all say it how it is and don't bend to public opinion is exactly why you are my primary gaming news source. The only news show brave enough to have actual opinions.
For people who dont know, the man complaining is the lead writer/ designer since Fallout 3. He is responsible for Bethesda's reputation of having terrible writing. Every game with shit story and factions has his name on it. Until he retires there will be no good writing in main Bethesda title.
didnt know you guys started a new channel for a while im so happy to watch your content again please never stop!
I’m worried TES6 ain’t gonna be to good
Before launch: “Don’t worry! Any issues the game has the mod community will be all over it!”
Post launch: “Well….crap.”
Edit: I don’t hate or love the game, it’s just not my thing. I’m only joking at how usually the community that will keep Bethesda games in the zeitgeist are even throwing in the towel on this, and so soon.
It’s kinda weird that they spend half of the video dunking on Starfield, then spend a good chunk of the rest of the video decrying dunking on Starfield. I get that their doing a lot of it for comedic value, but to then toot their own journalistic integrity just makes the video’s tone fairly schizophrenic.
Unironically, I am grateful to Starfield as it finally convinced me to bite the bullet and get into Morrowind, and it's legit as good as people say!
They shot for the stars; who knew there was so much empty up there... On a related note, that NakeyJakey video was excellent.
"You CLEARLY don't know how a twinkie is made."
*-Guy who can write as well as Lars Ulrich can drum*
I love that you guys try to balance your opinions and try to be as objective as possible. Something that's sorely lacking in media today.
They got that Xbox money and said F it 😂
Playing Starfield made me go back and replay Cyberpunk 2077.... twice.
So Starfield is fast traveling yogurt
They still haven't fixed Skyrim properly there's no chance of them doing a no man's sky on starfield
It was my most anticipated game since it's announcement years ago. And one of my biggest gaming disappointments upon release. I feel no Bethesda "magic" and I'm a huge space game nerd who doesn't need AAA quality in everything. Officially worried about Elder Scrolls 6.
bro, do you even dragons dogma tho, bro?
@@SonsOfDeForest I didn't play the first one, but I 100% will play 2. Looks hype!
How many of those 12m players continued to play it, and didn't immediately leave to play Cyberpunk DLC?
I love the argument that astronauts didn't find anything on the moon, so empty games are good. Astronauts also shit in bags for a week to get there, I don't want a video game simulation of that either.
AAA companies:
-Make a bare minimum game.
-Overhype the game.
-Sell millions on release.
-SUCCES.
-Eat the shit, release some updates.
-Rinse and repeat...
Bethesda make their game seem like they might be ok for around 2 hours so you're already passed the refund window.
I feel like you guys have enough substance and personality to not need the click/rage bait. But maybe the metrics show something else on your end though.
Opening to Skyrim, waking up on a rickety cart on my way to execution, dragon attacks, escape with my life. Opening to Starfield, mining some rocks, pirates attack, then I get stuck with Sarah.
Three quick facts:
1. Bad game developers and designers exist. And they exist at big studios.
2. Incompetent leadership exists. And it exists at big studios.
3. Bringing up personal attacks at the hands of unhinged internet dwellers is routinely used as a diversion from legitimate criticism.
It’s like they used propaganda to push their game and convince people it’s not crap
you don't have to eat/drink a lot of spoiled food/drinks to know something has either gone or on the course of going.
while devs are entitled to their displeasure of people's discontent towards their product, what they're not immune of is the objectively bad product as a result of their outdated methods.
time to sober up is what i would say if it were for the upcoming Elder Scroll 6 being slated to use Creation Engine "2" once more.
It feels like bathesda was trying to copy other space games, but decided the bar they wanted to beat was star citizen, except they only tried to copy features that were present 8 years ago, at the time of their game’s inception, while star citizen is in open alpha to this day, and has new features added every quarter
The biggest mistake that they undoubtedly will make is to put paid mods into Starfield before making any meaningful changes to the current game
The problem with criticism now is that you get all these people attacking the developers, not the product. It's always happened, but with technology and social media, they can now send these insults directly into the developers' pockets. There are loads of great, passionate people who work on games that fail like Starfield.
That is mostly bull. Whilst a small number of toxic people have always done what you describe, the majority of people rightly attack the leadership & publishers involved in making sub-standard games.
If most people had more than a one year olds patience, maybe developers could finish developing the game, let them do their job, might get a finished game to praise 😉
It’s a step down from FO4 and Skyrim in almost every way. I was worried going into Starfield, lowered my expectations, and was still disappointed. FO4 had a better crafting system, a better settlement system, and better companions than Starfield. Skyrim had better quests and story, was more immersive, and had a more interesting and useful “special skill”(the dragon shouts were interesting and fun, the space magic in Starfield is boring and less useful and requires multiple play throughs with the same player character to unlock all the abilities). Both FO4 and Skyrim had more interesting NPCs, exploration, and lore. Bethesda created a game where the player can travel to alternate dimensions while populating them with a metric ton of essential NPCs (meaning they can’t die), minimizing the players ability to influence the world, limiting player choices, and almost forcing a certain play style on the player. Combat stinks, AI is still garbage, navmesh has issues, paid mods are on Skyrim and is probably coming to FO4 and Starfield, and the game is boring. 40 hours in, I gave up trying to have fun and uninstalled the game.
TL:DR Starfield is a massive downgrade from Skyrim and FO4, things bode poorly for ES6 the writers should all be fired, and leadership at Bethesda should be axed. Modders aren’t going to be able to fix this steaming pile, the problem are backed into the very skeleton of the game.
7.29 I'm sure it takes a lot of people to make pickled beets, but it doesn't mean I have any desire to eat them again...
My take after beating the game was that it was very poorly written game, with no payoff, and I couldn’t wait to play it again. But just the other day on my first new game+, I finished the crimson fleet missions that I didn’t do the first time, and I realized there wasn’t anything else I really wanted to do in the game. So now I’ve set it down.
Bruce and Lawrence on a channel called Inside Games??? How the fuck am I just now finding this channel??! Got a big grin on my face just like I'm watching classic Funhaus/Inside Gaming! Thanks for this guys!!!
Bro this channel exist sinse they left Fun haus
@@SeaNBlack bro didn't read my comment saying how I'd just found this
Put 160+ hrs and in NG++ for Starfield. Really enjoyed my time playing. Music was fantastic and the writing I felt was a step up for Bethesda.
But once you start going to different planets and see the same 5 outposts, there’s not much reason to explore.
Can’t wait for more content. But for now it’s time for the backlog.
Yet another great example that we should NEVER pre-order. And I say that as someone who pre-ordered the game and regretted it. Never again.
Emptiness isn't boring in and of itself. _Journey_ is 90% empty and it's a masterpiece. Starfield just used emptiness wrong. It would have been more poignant if you had one or two long-range stealth missions through truly uninhabited space. Instead, they tried to make emptiness "fun" by having shit everywhere and having a spacecraft land right next to yours within 30 seconds half the time. Beyond that, the loading screens killed any anticipation for approaching and admiring a new world, empty or otherwise.
I wish space travel was more like Elite Dangerous. They did it right. At least they should have made something to do inside your ship. Or you could set course to a planet and walk around doing things on your ship. If you wanted to jump there instantly you could just get back in the captains seat and set it to another level of hyperdrive.
This really is a gamer channel, for gamers
Microsoft has the tell Bethesda they aren't allowed to use Creation Engine 1 or 2. The engine is outdated and trash, force them to use UE5.
Space is a tough genre because it's primary feature is vast emptiness. And they leaned into the emptiness instead of the weird bustling Star Warsy vibe.
Using a quote from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation:
"He worked really hard on it, Grandma."
"So do washing machines."
The biggest fail for me is that it was advertised as a “game of a generation”. Made people think it was going to be a completely new kind of game. Skyrim/fallout players wanted a new game and we got exactly what we wanted and more. The regular gamers feel cheated.
As an ES and Fallout player this does neither for me. I would love to climb ladders and open doors without a god damn loading screen or bugs that have existed since Morrowind for crying out loud.
Starfield really made dial down my Elder Scrolls 6 expectations
Not to say that it’s horrible, but it seems like they’ll never knock it out of the park like Skyrim again.
Microsoft should of seen the writing on the wall when Bethesda released fallout 76 and avoided buying zenimax
I think devs forget players don’t care how hard it is to make a game and how hard people work, they just want to play a game it works and it’s fun.
Game Devs are getting pretty arrogant these days. They proved that to us with the "DO YOU NOT HAVE PHONES?" question at Blizzard Con, it was like they were OFFENDED that people didn't like their stupid, out-of-touch idea of making Diablo into a Mobile Game only.
i love starfield but these days if a game isnt exacly how some people want it they wil go full trash mode specialy in the last year smells like to much selfentitlement and to much narcisism.
some games deserve it but not starfield.
its sad because it unnessaserly turns some people away from the game because they trust online haters to much,also dont manipulate the perception of player numbers "in the last 30 days players dropped by 50 %" ya so what? the game has been out since september and we are in december its normal that allot of people move on and come back later.
i played the game for a straight month and then stopped for 2-3 weeks and now am back playing it again.
Yeah, the problem for me is that is not even Fallout in space, It's better in some aspects like gunfights, but It lacks the things that particularly makes older Bethesda games fun for me.
I've arrived on the planet Paradise, found this old friend of hers, and was waiting for the wedding ceremony...
Imagine my disappointment when the ceremony turned out to be a stupid little speech from this very friend standing next to some random bush in the middle of damn nowhere followed by declaring us husband and wife. And that's it...
What was that?
Who in the Bethesda's writing department looked at this and decided it was acceptable?
IS THIS HOW YOU IMAGINE A WEDDING???
are you out of your mind????
I stood up from my PC and was walking around the room from corner to corner loudly cursing Bethesda and its TALENTLESS WRITERS AND SCREENWRITERS, this is how shoked I was.
WHICH OF YOU THERE DECIDED THAT THIS IS ACCEPTABLE IN 2023????
Who came up with the bright idea that a random woman standing in the middle of nowhere could simply declare us newlyweds and that would be enough for me to say “damn, what a cool game!”????
To say that I'm disappointed is an understatement.
IT'S A SHAME!
they are over reacting the game is not trash it just has some issues. i had fun out of it. dont know why people are so critical these days.
This same modder was accused of stealing code on Skyrim Together and threw a whole fit with Fallout Together. Its fine to dislike the game but i wouldnt put too much weight on what he stays
Emil has to be booted out of the studio, he is holding everything back
Such a strange response from Pagman. “You don’t know what you’re talking about, but I will vaguely, essentially, agree, but you’re out of line”
I have a massive Skyrim tattoo on my back but I guarantee I’ll never get a Starfeild tattoo 🤣 well maybe on my shitter
I want an apology from everyone that shitted on me for saying the game wasnt the second coming of Jesus
Same. The neckbeards were out in full body odour force
They’ve taken out all the things they are good at and split what little they did do well between over 9000 loading screens
Imagine a chef gives you an uncooked meal and then complained about how hard cooking was. Grow up, do your job or quit.
Right? Emil should be ashamed of himself.
First to say gyuhtherr
damn
You had to put a gun to my head to make me stop playing Skyrim and fallout 4 during their launches, 25 hours in for starfield I saved, went to bed woke up uninstalled for no specific reason and have had 0 urge to return
When the astronauts went to the moon, they didn’t arrive by loading screen! 😂 …also, they were on the moon. 😊
I hate how Xbox fanboys defend this crap
It's a perfectly fine game
I don't need to know how to make a dumpster to know it's on fire, Emil. Stop blaming your customers for being too stupid to understand how awesome they should think your games are.
The lack of a consistent overworld really screwed starfield it seems.
A lot of the things people have suggested are things that other games have already done. Not insulting to suggest what is common sense at this point. If they want it to be a 12 year hit they have a lot of work to do.