How To BVR Fight In War Thunder (ft. MiG-29) | War Thunder

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  • Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
  • This video shows how to turn the tides on the pesky US radar missiles.
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    Outro: AK & Mapps - IV
    0:00 - Thank you Patreons!
    0:19 - Intro
    0:58 - How to dodge AIM-54
    2:45 - R-27ER v AIM-7M Equal Circumstances
    3:20 - R-27ER v AIM-7M Unequal Circumstances
    3:50 - How to win from an unprepared position
    6:05 - Do not commit to a fight you can never survive
    8:07 - 1v2 AIM-54 + AIM7M attack
    9:30 - 1v2 Multiple AIM-7M attack
    11:18 - Putting it into practice in Air RB
    12:05 - Using TWS on the 27ER (for no RWR)
    13:53 - Outro
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  • @kermit5399
    @kermit5399 Рік тому +245

    Also to add here, it can be useful to get into the habit especially at high altitude BVR, to fire off your missile and then crank left or right to the gimbal limit of your radar (edge of the radar screen). This has two effects: the first being that because you are flying somewhat diagonally to your target, if they return fire, their missile has to travel further to hit you all the while turning bleeding some of it's energy (even with a sustainer). Secondly, because you are on your gimbal limit (anything from 50-60 degrees, it means that you can get into the 90 degree notch faster than if you were flying head-on, increasing the chance of beating the missile, with the caveat of breaking lock and trashing your missile (better than being dead). This applies to all SARH BVR gameplay.

    • @bpop2148
      @bpop2148 Рік тому +5

      Also it's a good idea to dive down into thicker air to incrase drag on the enemy missile.

    • @kingghidorah8106
      @kingghidorah8106 Рік тому +2

      aw why di he kermit sewicid

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 Рік тому

      @@bpop2148 Only sometimes though.

    • @sol2544
      @sol2544 Рік тому +3

      With aim 54, you can turn away and break much earlier if you are confident it will lock and track correctly on its own

    • @PotatoeJoe69
      @PotatoeJoe69 Рік тому +3

      @@bpop2148 Most BVR engagements in war thunder don't really happen far enough for that to matter.

  • @ErikMoroni
    @ErikMoroni Рік тому +171

    The thing with phoenixes is that when you launch them from really far away, like 30-40 km, high, and keep guiding with tws, by the time they get to the target, they're really really fast. Then it becomes pretty hard to dodge.

    • @boenk3742
      @boenk3742 Рік тому +36

      yep, its engine can give up to 1700 m/s aceleration but it burns 27sec, but it also means that it wouldnt loose speed after flying over 30km, for comparison aim-7F/M have 900m/s and 27ER 1200m/s

    • @biromate2237
      @biromate2237 Рік тому +16

      @@boenk3742 and obviously the benefit of using the phoenixes are the safety you get from the range of the missile. You don’t even need to guide it about 19kms or so.

    • @jetfighter200
      @jetfighter200 Рік тому +3

      " they get to the target, they're really really fast. Then it becomes pretty hard to dodge." wouldn´t less an issue if air density would´be added so you can drag the missle to ticker air on the deck but because of lack of it the missile stays always the same velocity

    • @MrBboy95
      @MrBboy95 Рік тому +7

      I tend to fire Pheonixes below 30km whlie flying at least mach speed and above 3000m so missile still burns and doesn't lose energy when leading, on avarage I get 1 of 2 hits with this tactic per battle

    • @MythicPi
      @MythicPi Рік тому +53

      @@jetfighter200 air density IS modelled. Air density changes from temperature is modelled as well. Thats why missiles have longer ranges at alt vs targets in WT, its why you maneuvre worse at alt, its why engines use less fuel but have less thrust at alt, and why tank shells have different drops depending on the mpa

  • @JegSkaSkiido
    @JegSkaSkiido Рік тому +45

    8:16 You wouldn’t actually know it’s a pheonix, because you can launch the 27ER using TWS and then lock the target when your missile gets close. This would appear to the target as if it was an ARH, despite it not being the case.

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +15

      You have to use common sense to figure out what missile it is. If you’re facing US, you know it’s a phoenix if it does that.

    • @commandoepsilon4664
      @commandoepsilon4664 Рік тому +2

      @@SeekerHead Then your only problem then is if you are fighting US and USSR, not that it ever happens given the match maker...

    • @grumpyshumpy
      @grumpyshumpy Рік тому +1

      @@commandoepsilon4664 no never lmao

    • @BedCat1432
      @BedCat1432 Рік тому

      @@grumpyshumpy i got a us ussr match today but that was Givin I had a group half was on us and the other half was on ussr

  • @bpop2148
    @bpop2148 Рік тому +15

    "Pheonix is the only radar missile you can reliably dodge in the game"
    R3R: Am I a joke to you?!

    • @helloturtle3749
      @helloturtle3749 Рік тому

      he said "Top tier" radar missile

    • @cloroxbleach9222
      @cloroxbleach9222 Рік тому

      I've gotten a few 7km R-3R kills at 5-6km alt and I think it works because the motor burns for such a short amount of time the enemy doesn't even maneuver

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +14

      Not a top tier missile

    • @skilz2kil528
      @skilz2kil528 Рік тому

      @@cloroxbleach9222 Longest range r3r kill i have ever gotten was a 10km cold/side aspect shot down from 9ish km alt into a poor unsuspecting draken without rwr. Took its sweet time getting there though lmao. But for sure 5-6km is somewhat reliable as people dont really treat fox1's at those br's as a threat a lot of the time, and they dont see the missile due to short burn.

    • @bpop2148
      @bpop2148 Рік тому +2

      @@SeekerHead Technically you can have them on the mig21bis which is 11.0, but I get what you are saying

  • @skilz2kil528
    @skilz2kil528 Рік тому +17

    You can datalink the r27er towards the target with irst too, it's actually stupid easy to do so long as your within IR range and gives a much more accurate track compared to tws.

    • @albatross8868
      @albatross8868 Рік тому +2

      Limit is around 30km with hot targets like the f-14 and 20 for less hot targets like most of single engine fighters. Also if burner is off, lowers it more

  • @acheronianrose
    @acheronianrose Рік тому +9

    This was really helpful, just being able to watch BVR fights without being in them. Thanks!

  • @TheDAWinz
    @TheDAWinz Рік тому +8

    Thank you BVR goat, I will spread the word as your prophet.

  • @PvtPartzz
    @PvtPartzz Рік тому +10

    The sparrows have to be bugged right now because they’ll consistently miss targets flying straight at you with zero evasive maneuvers. Twice in one match I had both the 7F and 7M miss an ai target flying towards me with maybe a 20 degree offset. Missile just under lead them each time.
    Other scenarios I’ve had with them is that they just lose their mind at the last second and swerve before hitting the target if there’s more than one aircraft within say 500 meters of the target (so every group of AI bombers/attackers).

    • @anchovy1892
      @anchovy1892 Рік тому +4

      Have had the same issue with the F-16 and EJ Kai. The Aim7Fs were way different last patch and it is noticeable

    • @Storlans
      @Storlans Рік тому +5

      They arent Russian that the issue.

    • @the_jingo
      @the_jingo 6 місяців тому +1

      Don’t launch them at AI

  • @golfballbutt
    @golfballbutt Рік тому +2

    Thank you for showing me how to Mig-29 its a learning curve but its much better than what i was doing before.

  • @nicholasjensen8016
    @nicholasjensen8016 Рік тому +10

    Did a test with the r27er. At 10km altitude I could kill my friend from 45km and it would hit in roughly 25 seconds. Absolutely nuts.

    • @bob-hg5qj
      @bob-hg5qj Рік тому

      We just hope that f16 kids dont complain until it gets removed

    • @nicholasjensen8016
      @nicholasjensen8016 Рік тому +5

      @@bob-hg5qj I’m more surprised that there are still so many Russia mains crying that it isn’t more op. Truly a bruh moment to not want the game to be balanced. Like I get r73s are cool and whatnot but the mig does not need them right away.

    • @itzerikftw24
      @itzerikftw24 Рік тому +3

      Idk but it could be a combination of skill issue (not being able to use the r27 r/er good) and the fact they want to club everything like they were geting when the f14 spam was in power (i dont think it was that bad)

    • @rekreator9481
      @rekreator9481 Рік тому +2

      @@itzerikftw24 I think its because there are so many new players who just bought some tier 6/7 premiums and grinded into top tier with them.. I often see in games players with very low amount of battles and low level, which honestly just don't have enough hours with the game and cant compete in top tier... Then they complain how unbalanced game is, and here is the result. Experienced players are a minority, which is bad, because game should be balanced upon what those players can do with a plane, rather then someone who is not able to get a full potential from it. But since they are minority, much more noisy are the new players that suffer in the game. Sad what warthunder has become:/

    • @quarreneverett4767
      @quarreneverett4767 Рік тому

      @@nicholasjensen8016 you have youtibers and people that dont understand the game blaming the game instea of having fun and adopting better persoective. They thinks its like other games and just rng or somethimg crazy. But thsi game is a sim using real stufff. I study real stuff fro. Pilots and it replicates well in game

  • @Thanksforbeingyou
    @Thanksforbeingyou Рік тому

    This is the best vid I've seen from you, and that's really saying something bc before this I would have said that the sarh missile video you made awhile back was essential training for War Thunder players but this tops it. This is really well done. You da best!

  • @archerknight988
    @archerknight988 Рік тому +5

    This is the true top jet knowledge we need.

  • @Taurickk
    @Taurickk Рік тому +23

    Great video! I'll be sharing it with a mate who has just gotten into BVR combat. He might not have the mig-29 but your advice on cranking, notching, and recommitting is extremely useful.
    One note. at 8:17 you mention you can identify the incoming missile as AIM-54 because you got the RWR nail very late, unfortunately this is not 100% reliable any more. The mig-29 has datalink for R27-R and R27-ER. They can briefly nail to fire the missile, then switch to IRST (from your RWR perspective this looks like someone who failed to lock), once the missile is close they can switch back to radar track and the missile will reacquire for terminal. From your end this appears exactly the same as an incoming AIM-54
    edit: I see later in the video you covered this but with TWS instead of IRST :)

  • @dushannjbg2143
    @dushannjbg2143 Рік тому +14

    The bit about locking and unlocking from PD to TWS and back was brilliant, i wonder if you could do that with the tomcat and the viggen as well. Or maybe its the missile much as the radar. Great stuff as always.

    • @cristobalalvarez5491
      @cristobalalvarez5491 Рік тому +2

      You always could

    • @dushannjbg2143
      @dushannjbg2143 Рік тому +2

      Interesting, I never knew that. How come nobody talked about it??

    • @MessInMines
      @MessInMines Рік тому

      @@dushannjbg2143 You can only do that if your missile has datalink (so only AIM-54 and R-27ER can do this at the moment).
      With other missiles you actually need a radar lock to fire them, otherwise they would just go and explode mid-air.

    • @dushannjbg2143
      @dushannjbg2143 Рік тому

      Thats what i was thinking, i just didnt know it was called datalink, makes sense though. Thanks anywho

    • @desertfalcon1539
      @desertfalcon1539 Рік тому

      ​@@MessInMines may I ask you what Datalink does concretely?

  • @canadianbacon5716
    @canadianbacon5716 Рік тому

    Very helpful video thank you!

  • @CharChar2121
    @CharChar2121 Рік тому

    Thanks for making this video. These new radars are just beyond me.

  • @subiesaint839
    @subiesaint839 Рік тому

    Great video man!

  • @kostab92
    @kostab92 Рік тому +5

    Very educational video, I don't remember anyone covering this topic since aim7e2 was the top dog.

  • @not_pingo
    @not_pingo Рік тому +1

    Lets gooo bvr goat finally uploaded

  • @Gunship
    @Gunship Рік тому

    Useful, thank you!

  • @hectorjosuegarciacortez5895

    Thanks for all Bro I LOVE you

  • @DominicGreen432
    @DominicGreen432 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this

  • @tergam4523
    @tergam4523 Рік тому +12

    Legit the Phoenix is such a meme missile. When you get a kill its funny but its not at all a consistent thing.

    • @anthonyonorato9529
      @anthonyonorato9529 Рік тому +5

      I probably average to about 1-2 kills per match with the Phoenix. Sure, some I get 0 kills with them, but some I get 4 kills, but more than 50% of the time I get at least 1 kill. You have to be high and fast, and not every map is good for them. When I have a map that gives me enough space to get fast enough, I take minimum fuel with 6 Phoenix’s, blast to 700mph and start climbing to about 6k feet before starting to fire at targets that are no more than a 45 degree angle from me. It’s been pretty consistent.

    • @HighRiskV
      @HighRiskV Рік тому +3

      @@anthonyonorato9529 I also do this for the lolz and then RTB when most phoenixes turn active, but usually I would have a better chance of winning the match if I just carry the aim7f loadout in the first. Which distance do you start firing your phoenixes if target is head on?

    • @bpop2148
      @bpop2148 Рік тому

      @@anthonyonorato9529 Just wondering, how many of those kills are ML's??

    • @kingghidorah8106
      @kingghidorah8106 Рік тому

      if you launch them at low altitude like all the tomcats of course it aint effective (thus sideclimbing in top tier being a trick)

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 Рік тому +4

      ​@@anthonyonorato9529 Getting consistent kills with Phoenixes means you are relying on the stupidity of the enemies to not now how to evade it. I bring 2 Phoenixes, because it keeps my opponent on the defensive so I can Sparrow them. I get a kill with one like once every 5 games to so, and it's usually because they either flew straight and did nothing top evade (they thought chaff acted like flares), or because they ere too slow to dodge (also their problem for climbing like that).

  • @Doomer35
    @Doomer35 Рік тому

    Best BVR tutorial on youtube.

  • @Vinicius-cp3bm
    @Vinicius-cp3bm Рік тому

    Nice content, greatings from brazil

  • @solid_fire9388
    @solid_fire9388 Рік тому +1

    great stuff thnx for the tips :)

  • @rex669
    @rex669 Рік тому +1

    This video changed my life. Getting 2-3 kills a game now lol

  • @DaBestEmperor
    @DaBestEmperor Рік тому +1

    After reading through a lot of the comment section I just want to add in my two cents here.
    I would say that the F-14 is still probably the best top tier fighter in game right now, simply because I think it fits the meta much better. Sure the F-16 may be able to outmaneuver it and has Aim-9Ls, and the MiG-29 has 27ERs but the the F-14 still has fox-2s with very good range and flare resistance and can carry 6 BVR missiles whilst the 16 and 29 can only carry 2 each. What this means is that even if in a duel between a 16 or 29 and an F-14 with good/equal pilots, both planes will defend each others missiles, but the 16 and 29 will run out of long range missiles far sooner than the tomcat which gives it a distinctive advantage as it can fight a war of attrition against its opponents. Now sure maybe you can just keep defending and push into the merge but doing so makes you slow and vulnerable to all the other Tomcat's Aim-7s or 9s and other fighters on the enemy team. Also it should be noted that there are always a couple monkeys that get Phoenixed at the beginning of the match which gives the other team a large disadvantage right off the bat. An F-14 can bring 2 Aim-54s to yolo to try and get speculative kills and still carry twice the amount of Fox-1s compared to the F-16 or MiG-29.
    Simply put the F-16 and MiG-29 are very dangerous at the opening of the game but as missiles are launched the Tomcats become much more dangerous as the match progresses. I have died MANY times because I run out of missiles and have to RTB whilst there are still F-14s pushing me because they still have weapons. Combine this with the fact that it is often USA vs everyone else at top tier, the fact that F-16s compliment the F-14 weaknesses very well and that everyone other than America is filled with premiums right now just makes the US completely dominant at top tier at the moment.
    That being said I don't think the MiG-29 needs to be buffed or anything, I just wish I could play a match that lasts more than 10 mins without it becomes a 1 vs 6 and not enough missiles to deal with the huge F-14 missile spam.
    TLDR; War Thunder is ultimately a team game and the F-14 fits that meta better because of its large amount of missiles. Giving the MiG-29 better missiles will not change this fact as it already has the great 27ER and everyone but America is filled with premium dumb dumbs at the moment. As such everyone (including Russia) will have bad win rates against America at top tier and nothing will be changing that. The F-14 may not be great in 1 vs 1 but it is spectacular in team games.

  • @saltysteel3996
    @saltysteel3996 Рік тому +11

    The AIM-54 has a range of 100 miles, reaches Mach 5, had 3 firing modes, and for long range shots it climbed to 70-80 thousand feet.
    It does none of these things in game. It's severely nerfed.

    • @jetfighter200
      @jetfighter200 Рік тому +2

      if you want that better play DCS, but even there when you shoot at an aware target your will miss

    • @appa609
      @appa609 Рік тому +4

      @@jetfighter200 No reason they couldn't model it correctly once other countries get good bvr fighters. EC maps are big enough.

    • @gadafwar5520
      @gadafwar5520 Рік тому +1

      It actually has loft, and about range it also has 100+ miles range. In DCS it was overbuffed, I had 140 NM shots on it(not kills, but NEZ would be about 80-100 NM)

    • @Maktumekal_Ilzrei
      @Maktumekal_Ilzrei Рік тому +3

      See the funny thing is, the Phoenix can reach that range in game. Just 90% of WT's gameplay loop, and the map sizes don't really work for such. Because to *get* that range, you need to climb to 10km or so and get that sweet sweet fuel guzzling mach 2 in the tomcat. The lack of lofting though, does definitely feel strange on the WT phoenix.

  • @bagelmaster2498
    @bagelmaster2498 Рік тому +2

    Hey one thing i didnt see mentioned is how you can notch your radar against them where you see them fire first you launch as well then you go almost 90 in order to notch there radar but not far enough to break your lock

  • @illegalaryan823
    @illegalaryan823 Рік тому

    *taking notes like a good student*

  • @Omniscient_01
    @Omniscient_01 Місяць тому

    As a US Main, watching you break the 54s ankles so easily, really disturbed me 😂

  • @CharChar2121
    @CharChar2121 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @zackwaffen9210
    @zackwaffen9210 Рік тому

    Shout out to your 1 patreon. What a boss

  • @danielmostert993
    @danielmostert993 Рік тому

    I do not have the MiG 29 yet but in the F14 if you are in TWS and you use your hard lock key it automatically switches to PD.
    Or it used to. I haven't seriously played it in a while.
    Point is with the R27 TWS track you may not need to switch radar modes if it still functions this way. Just turn on TWS and then hard lock from track and it should put you in PD and if you unlock it should have you back in TWS to guide it until you hard lock for the kill.

  • @bubblesofthecoast6393
    @bubblesofthecoast6393 Рік тому +1

    One thing I’ve noticed about the Phoenix is thst I’ve not been pinged by it on TWS when it goes pitbull and I’m not sure if it’s a bug or not

  • @thomashanson6603
    @thomashanson6603 Рік тому +1

    I'm curious how this flight plays out with less altitude(or indeed, more altitude, where I imagine the r27er has even more of an advantage?).

  • @xXRapToRiXxGamer
    @xXRapToRiXxGamer Рік тому +2

    As a sidenote, TWS seems broken atm for this plane (I know how it works on F14 and Mirage 2000). The targets jump around in this mode, once they don't the missile will be guided very nicely im tws in the general direction.

    • @collander7766
      @collander7766 Рік тому +2

      You need to set up a keybinding for “select radar target”

  • @ikill-98
    @ikill-98 Рік тому

    Wow that at first i thought its an Su 30 from the camo lol good camo btw

  • @Jojooooooo
    @Jojooooooo Рік тому

    Speed is really important with these, so many times I die in the mig_23 because I'm too slow after climbing to dodge even phoenixes sometimes.

    • @quarreneverett4767
      @quarreneverett4767 Рік тому

      Yes one.kf.the biggest differences wth supers and props is speed is life force

  • @bpop2148
    @bpop2148 Рік тому +2

    Launching in TWS is obviously very good however it can be tricky at times because you end up locking the wrong target in the end or simply can't get a lock on target, hey maybe you end up locking the enemy missile instead!

    • @leto2582
      @leto2582 Рік тому

      Yh I hate it tbh but it’s really good for low ground lock especially in 1v1

    • @skilz2kil528
      @skilz2kil528 Рік тому +2

      Another thing u can do in a mig 29 is datalink the missile to the target with irst, and nice thing is it's a seamless switch toggling between them once you have a lock.

    • @gsilvy4k570
      @gsilvy4k570 Рік тому

      Thats why you observe their speed and direction to determine if its a missile or jet.

  • @leftnut7508
    @leftnut7508 Рік тому +1

    The thing about how you defeated the phoenix is the fact you saw it coming and could see the smoke trail. The best launch profile for the phoenix is far enough that it's motor runs out of fuel making it unseen and fast. I tend to launch a bit outside the indicated predicted range just to let the missile burnout by the time it acquires lock. In ec maps, your just dead anyway. I'll put you defensive, close with more phoenixes to keep you defensive all the while going completely cold or notching the r27. Phoenix is still king in BVR, just can't be a moron with it. That first f14 pilot should be notching at the very least.

    • @birthdwt8859
      @birthdwt8859 Рік тому

      That work in theory, but with a weak arh like the phoenix it's not great. I use the same tactic since the phoenix was released, but I just recently grinded the mig29 and its not a competition unless your enemy is very bad. Maybe f14b will help

  • @Jojooooooo
    @Jojooooooo Рік тому

    Do you think the tornado ADV will be good when it comes in game? It has weak engines and poor manoeuvrability but had a powerful radar and skyflashes with a different motor giving it longer range and maybe different speeds.

  • @ardap3966
    @ardap3966 Рік тому +2

    Do you think its worth GE'ing at least the R60Ms and flares on the MiG-29? Or whats your opinion on stock grinding these in general (Happy new years btw)

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +3

      I don’t find it worth the money really no. The only thing i’d recommend GE is countermeasures. If you have money in abundance then by all means though lol

  • @zdarky_6623
    @zdarky_6623 Рік тому +1

    you should make a video about how to bvr against mig29s with f16 or f14, because i feel like sometimes its impossible

  • @ccclll987
    @ccclll987 Рік тому +2

    Very interesting. In sim some of the tactics are less viable and the range advantage is still more important on average, for two reasons: when you notch you're very likely to lose sight on the persona attacking you, making the other maneuvers harder because you basically have to guess them, and the second is that you dont really see the missile or the range of the opponent, so taking decisions like when to re-engage is harder. Also, phoenixes are much more effective because of no rwr warning and of course you really dont see them coming when they're fired from afar.
    A tactic that, instead, CAN be used very effectively in sim (but I think probably not so much in rb) is that in sim you can lock and fire the r27er to force your opponent to maneuver (if you shoot first) and then, when he notches, you switch to the irst sensor making him believe the notch worked. Then you fire the r27t on the por unaware soul and finish the job. It makes wonders, for the same reasons as before, that is that targets lose sight/are not really aware of your exact position and distance and dont/cant see the missile fired.

    • @Maktumekal_Ilzrei
      @Maktumekal_Ilzrei Рік тому

      I keep seeing people say the Phoenix doesn't give RWR and I could SWEAR it does... I'm not typically facing them myself, another sim player here with my highest non-US being the 25K so I typically avoid the furball servers anyway, but every time I've launched a phoenix myself within the pitbull range, it pings off me, and from the fact many of my targets start maneuvering at about that distance, I'd assume they are getting an RWR ping otherwise they'd be trying to break my track way sooner...

    • @ccclll987
      @ccclll987 Рік тому

      @@Maktumekal_Ilzrei it does set the rwr off but only in the last seconds, so sometimes you dont really have time to react

    • @Maktumekal_Ilzrei
      @Maktumekal_Ilzrei Рік тому

      @@ccclll987 Yeah but those last seconds are technically supposed to be like 10km too.

    • @ccclll987
      @ccclll987 Рік тому

      @@Maktumekal_Ilzrei but it lasts a few seconds. Try sim and you ll see.

    • @Maktumekal_Ilzrei
      @Maktumekal_Ilzrei Рік тому

      @@ccclll987 I basically exclusively play Sim. With a very sparse few matches in other air modes.

  • @galaxlordcz3933
    @galaxlordcz3933 Рік тому

    Great video, but just as an FYI currently the Aim-7M is the same as the Aim-7F, even in the files, but I guess you know that since you were using the F-14 to launch them and it doesn't get the Aim-7M. I'm also surprised by how much people cry that the F-16A ADF was added and that the R-73 wasn't, it wasn't because people were complaining too much, adding the F-16A ADF was always the plan, if not this update then the next one, and the R-73 wasn't added because it didn't work properly at first they hoped to fix it using simple config files, but it was found out that the missile needed a complete rework.

  • @KillerAndro
    @KillerAndro Рік тому

    what are the tips for sub 5km Aim7 launches, as these for me are the biggest pain in the arse. They feel near undodgeable. I have had f16s lock me whilst flying perpendicular to them, dumping chaff and manoeuvring trying to stay perpendicular to the planes radar but yields nothing. I find it easier to dodge head launches in the same range where i generally weave towards or dive under the launch arc to force the missile to over shoot.

  • @MD-wn4ui
    @MD-wn4ui Рік тому +2

    Cant wait for when the 7M is actually modeled.

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +4

      it never will be, except MAYBE lofting. The only difference is a mono pulse seeker, and all the SARHs act as if they have mono pulse seekers right now. So if anything, they’d just nerf everything except the skyflash and 7M, which i don’t see happening

    • @MD-wn4ui
      @MD-wn4ui Рік тому +3

      @@SeekerHead L War Thunder.

  • @cuddlefloofer
    @cuddlefloofer 29 днів тому

    quick question im using j7e and clearly we dont get radar missiles and stuff like that would would be the smartest thing to do when facing mig 29's , f16's because it seems like i just get targeted when i stick low to the ground or even wait for the furball to start?

  • @warthunderman2379
    @warthunderman2379 Рік тому

    The tws strat works with track IR

  • @ghost0d077
    @ghost0d077 Рік тому

    Bro you have saved me I love my mig29 but I am still having trouble avoiding f16 missles and f14 missles

  • @justus_invictus991
    @justus_invictus991 Рік тому

    how do you keep your radar locks? mine just refuse to stay on target and my missile is trashed

  • @asadchatha4184
    @asadchatha4184 Рік тому

    White Bread is goated.

  • @MpetitGaming
    @MpetitGaming Рік тому

    hi Seek, how did you get the radar lead indicateur ?

  • @crispy_338
    @crispy_338 Рік тому +1

    You can notch the F-16 radar at like 45deg. It’s so dogshit. Then I fly perfectly 90deg for 10-15sec vs a Mig-29 and he still kills me. Very cool.

  • @paranoidc2200
    @paranoidc2200 Рік тому

    stupid question how do i switch targets with the radar like you did with the tws

  • @Sky_King7
    @Sky_King7 Рік тому

    Hey man, cool vid, you need to be cranking though, would help even more with that closure rate ;)

  • @Tom-jt1mr
    @Tom-jt1mr Рік тому

    Genuinely doing everything in this video and I have found it totally impossible to notch Sparrows, and my R-27ER's get instantly chaffed in any aspect and can't ever connect

  • @andreikokot8927
    @andreikokot8927 Рік тому

    Note that R-27 in game is slower than IRL. In IRL it has mach 4.5 speed, but in game only 3.5 mach speed. Many things are gaijin nerfing regarding Russian tech. R-27 in game also has shorter range etc. MiG-29 also has worse specs than IRL. Radar same story. Everything Russian is heavyli nerfed.

  • @IMasterChiefII7
    @IMasterChiefII7 Рік тому +1

    Did the aim7m get a nerf recently? I find that it now tends to fly off in some random direction about half of the time, and sometimes it just explodes even if I maintain lock. Especially when they try to notch while I’m in non-pd mode. The aim7m worked pre patch against notching targets as long as you were in non-pd mode, but now if they even think about trying to notch it will no longer hit

    • @cataclysmicdelta1828
      @cataclysmicdelta1828 Рік тому +1

      Nah that’s just the f16 having a way worse radar than the f14 as far as I know

  • @soto1649
    @soto1649 Рік тому

    Dude do you have tips for using f4ejkai again f16,mig29,f14 horde?

  • @bwhittv1446
    @bwhittv1446 Рік тому

    So is it better for either, or both, the AIM-56 and R-27ER to TWS most of the way while it is in the air and then when it gets closer, to lock with PD or PD HDN or for especially the AIM-56, do i even need to do a hard lock with the radar?

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому

      for the 54, you can TWS the entire time, and in fact, once the MISSILE (not you) is within 17km of the target, you don’t have to point your radar on it at all, as it has its own radar on the missile that will activate at 17km range to finish homing in. The 27ER though will have to be hard locked once it is close to the target, because it does not have its own radar in the missile like the aim54 does. If you can, do the TWS trick, but it might be tricky at times to stick to the same target.

  • @DeadSkyWT
    @DeadSkyWT Рік тому

    Top 5 planes after Apex Predators, would be epic

  • @KillerSniper55
    @KillerSniper55 Рік тому +1

    The Phoenix is still nerfed keep in mind. If it was at its full capability then we could see launches of 60km+. By the time it would get within launch range or the ER it would be going faster.

    • @appa609
      @appa609 Рік тому +1

      150 km launches are possible. There may even be an irl kill at about that range.

    • @KillerSniper55
      @KillerSniper55 Рік тому

      @@appa609 yes but we don’t see ranges quite that far at the moment. It would also have to be at quite a high altitude with a target flying head on the whole way.

  • @Registered_Simp
    @Registered_Simp Рік тому

    Was doing individual testing of the ER at long ranges and while it technically has less range than the Aim-7F/M, that is only on paper. If you loft the missile at 10,000m as high up an angle as you can and squeeze the trigger at long range, the missile will still be in a kind of "long-range guidance" state where it doesn't pull very hard to prevent itself from expending energy.
    This means that the upward angle you gave it is held for a while, and the missile appears to go as much as 3,500-4000m higher than you initially launched it at. This slaps it into even thinner air, making it have absolutely ungodly amounts of speed. Now gravity is helping it in the way down. Tested a shot at 40km and the missile hit the target at 21.
    While I admit the R-27ER currently is 100% the best SARH in the game, I all also say that most real in-game fights are determined by who sees who first (and therefore, who uses their assets the best. If an F-16 spots the Mig-29 first, gets a lock, and shoots before the Mig-29 can properly process what bearing the shot came from, the F-16 is gonna win that fight unless the Mig-29 notches.
    My general rule of thumb is that if you get locked, and then you either don't see anything, or see the aircraft in question about to shoot, it is far better to notch than to try and get something off on them (since you will likely just die in the process)

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому

      Okay, but if you do the exact same thing with the 7M you’ll get it to be longer range again. You’re giving one an unfair advantage and then coming to the conclusion that it’s further range in practice, when in reality you’re essentially just cheating the test.

    • @Registered_Simp
      @Registered_Simp Рік тому

      @@SeekerHead Oh I'm aware the same trick works with the 7M. Just found the time it takes to reach the target was nutty. Even if both missiles have similar ranges, the time it takes for ER to reach the target in either scenario is notably faster. Not trying to bullshit a response (at least not intentionally)

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому

      Ah i see what you mean, on an actual maneuvering target though not having the sustained burn is really gonna bite in those goofy 30km shots

    • @Registered_Simp
      @Registered_Simp Рік тому

      @@SeekerHead Yeah. Though the ER is better off than many because of the high weight. Super high Ballistic Coefficient (mathematical term describing a projectile's ability to resist deceleration)

  • @Mibarri
    @Mibarri Рік тому

    Dodge an ER in sim. In an F16. Really struggling to defend against this missile, especially since you do not know the distance of any enemy, locked or not.

  • @jackgamer6307
    @jackgamer6307 6 місяців тому

    Me in my F-4J, looking at the 15 R-27s flying towards me at the start of the match: This is fine.....

  • @PotatoeJoe69
    @PotatoeJoe69 Рік тому +1

    Phoenix is the king of BVR. In fact, the AIM-54C went 100% unmatched until the last 5 years or so - and it's a missile from the 70's.

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +6

      this is war thunder

    • @PotatoeJoe69
      @PotatoeJoe69 Рік тому +1

      @@SeekerHead Yes, I know. The Phoenix is still by far the best BVR missile lol

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому

      okay

    • @okakokakiev787
      @okakokakiev787 Рік тому

      with the latest conflict r77 is king now

    • @mikehawk2158
      @mikehawk2158 Рік тому

      The AIM-54C isn't in game and war thunder isn't representative of irl scenarios

  • @eleveendays
    @eleveendays 5 місяців тому

    what if your enemy chaffs and flares? hitting it without any kind of dodge move is pretty easy, this we know 90 degree and chaff dodge lol

  • @rpgenius2851
    @rpgenius2851 Рік тому

    u should do a video on the ja37D viggen

  • @Daniel-ie3mt
    @Daniel-ie3mt Рік тому

    lifesaver

  • @madfoxlabs3436
    @madfoxlabs3436 Рік тому

    Eow, Thanks for showing that the Mig-29 and Russian missiles are superiors to the US counter parts in every way that matters. Illustrating that it doesn't matter that a F-14 can even find you and lock on to fire either AIM-7 or 54s , the Mig-29 player will always have the ability can simple overpower the situation and the US planes will have a roughly 80% failure rate and has little option but to flat out lose, even with 2 to 1 odds.......good to know the rules of War Thunder....Thanks for the info and the video.

  • @Anon-yi9yn
    @Anon-yi9yn Рік тому +1

    R73 will be added... Eventually

  • @jaummm2854
    @jaummm2854 Рік тому +4

    hey seeker, could you do a video about the best premiums to buy in this new year sale

  • @reggaesurvivor251
    @reggaesurvivor251 2 місяці тому

    that TWS into missile launch not working anymore ?

  • @iconickiwi4952
    @iconickiwi4952 Рік тому

    Hello, Can you please post a demonstration video for the British Phantom FGR 2/ FG1 on how to use it against top tier opponents, since it constantly faces mig29's and f16's.
    Love your vids, keep it up.

    • @quarreneverett4767
      @quarreneverett4767 Рік тому

      In sim it wont have to in the 10 .7 .3 bracket as the max br

  • @MagentaFerret
    @MagentaFerret Рік тому +4

    Soooo once they give it R73 and R27ET it will become both the best BVR plane and best dogfighter. Sounds very balanced.

    • @jetfighter200
      @jetfighter200 Рік тому +2

      different jets are never equal there don´t exist something like "balance"

    • @Frozander
      @Frozander Рік тому +1

      @@jetfighter200 That's a cope response. This is a video game they can artificially keep things balanced by not adding R73 until similar capabilities are added to other aircraft. WT does not need to be a flavor of the month sealclubbing where each major patch there is a new OP vehicle that destroys the matchmaker.

    • @jetfighter200
      @jetfighter200 Рік тому

      @@Frozander if you want a similar/better performance from an Aim-9 you need AIM-9X and only F-16C and if you don't want to get splashed improve your flying skills and learn to use chaff/flare and when to take a fight and when not

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +5

      that’s why ive been so on the mig29 this update. all these shitters are going to complain until it is buffed into oblivion and be blatant power creep

    • @eaststarling7805
      @eaststarling7805 Рік тому +1

      @@SeekerHead Exactly. All the Ameriboos whine whenever russia gets anything worthwhile. Meanwhile they get F-16-F-14 Combo spam in air rb and complain about balance.

  • @spartanx9293
    @spartanx9293 Рік тому

    0:43 yeah I got into an argument with spitflyer about that he says that the radar on the F-16 and f14 makes the aim sevens better

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +2

      It doesn’t really matter in the end. All the radars and radar missiles are countered the exact same way. I found it funny how he showed an example of the F14 radar “not being notched” by someone being “almost entirely perpendicular” meanwhile the guy was flying damn near straight for him 💀

  • @firmaneffendi2801
    @firmaneffendi2801 11 місяців тому

    12:50 turned out I used this trick by locking friendly ahead of me in TWS, launched ER into him, before switching target into real F-16 in SB. I'll called it Fox-1.5 😅

  • @StiveGuy
    @StiveGuy 3 дні тому

    So how to counter when you are not in a top tier jet.
    Been getting clubbed by aim54's and seemingly can't do anything about it.

  • @russell33313
    @russell33313 Рік тому +3

    lets see how well this works when the f14 fires 6 missiles lol

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +3

      At that point you simply notch all 6 of them and he’s out of missiles with no kill to show for it. Not hard.

    • @russell33313
      @russell33313 Рік тому

      @@SeekerHead aha. Then you got half the team in F14s and 16 missiles your way. Aha simply dodge them all and kill them all. Simple

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому

      @@russell33313 if you’re insinuating you regularly get 16 54s launched from various f14s all at once, i would call you a liar

    • @russell33313
      @russell33313 Рік тому

      @@SeekerHead bro I'm just messing with you 😆

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому

      i can never tell in these comments man, please forgive

  • @UUUU-dn9wz
    @UUUU-dn9wz Рік тому +3

    Great and well explained video, but in this video you notched missiles that i am not able to notch so easily in game: for example at
    6:22 maybe it’s the fact that the MiG29 turns better than a stock 23mla, but i’ve died multiple times in this exact situation, eg: the sparrow was launched a bit closer (~7-6kms) but I was near the ground (denser air) and turned 90 degrees and chaffed… the aim7 kept tracking and hit me.
    In my experience notching in this game doesn’t work very well (it certainly works worse than in DCS), while making aim7s pull into the ground has been far more reliable for me.
    Especially considering that the radars we have in game are from the 80s (f14 from the 70s) notching should be easier. There’s a reason why in real life IR missiles exist and are preferred under 5kms.
    R27ER being so fast will only make notching harder.

    • @collander7766
      @collander7766 Рік тому

      You’d be surprised at what an AMRAAM can do at close range, just sayin

    • @UUUU-dn9wz
      @UUUU-dn9wz Рік тому +1

      @@collander7766 sparrows are not aim120s, and while impressive the air force still uses IR missiles at close range

    • @collander7766
      @collander7766 Рік тому +1

      @@UUUU-dn9wz I know. You said “there’s a reason why in real life IR missiles exist and are preferred under 5kms.”
      I’m just saying that today, even the non-IR missiles can do crazy stuff at close range

    • @jansatamme6521
      @jansatamme6521 8 місяців тому

      @@UUUU-dn9wz the mig 23 incident:

  • @Pouzdraken
    @Pouzdraken Рік тому

    so glad I’ve never come across any competent mig-29 pilot yet. it’s kinda funny killing them using a phantom

  • @jacobbaumgardner3406
    @jacobbaumgardner3406 Рік тому

    I’m hoping we see the Aim-7P for select NATO aircraft in the future which was an M with the datalink for mid course TWS updates.

    • @appa609
      @appa609 Рік тому +2

      datalink is gonna be a shitshow. It's literally the perfect killsteal technique.

    • @jacobbaumgardner3406
      @jacobbaumgardner3406 Рік тому

      @@appa609 it IS a shitshow, it’s already here.

    • @ITmotoNoob
      @ITmotoNoob Рік тому

      @@appa609 There should be assist reward in such case, equivalent of "according to intelligence kill" from GRB.

  • @neelpurohit4143
    @neelpurohit4143 Рік тому

    dont forget the fact that a competent F14 pilot launches their phoenixes early at about 30km and maintains a soft lock until 25km, if the R27ER is getting launched at me from 20km the F14 has enough time to notch it (keep in mind the F14 doesn't have to hold a lock for the phoenix whereas the Mig29 needs a hard lock)

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +6

      the difference is the phoenix is dodgable with 1 hand, ur eyes closed and the monitor turned off. There is no dodging the 27ER, which can also be soft locked if you watch the end of my video.

    • @skilz2kil528
      @skilz2kil528 Рік тому

      Depends how good they are with their r27er datalink, i have been launching at people at 30km and keep it soft locked with tws till they ~15-20km and switch to hard lock. At that point they should have a r27 barreling towards them at like 4+ mach with maybe 5-10km of warning so probs 6 seconds max of time to react only to a rwr spike and an invisible missile due to short burn time. It's extremely potent when launched correctly - though i have seen people dodge them if they are quick enough to either notch it fast af or panick chaff and break turn at the same time, as rn the r27er will sometimes momentarily go for chaff despite a solid lock.

  • @sirbonobo3907
    @sirbonobo3907 Рік тому

    Great balanced game as ever lmao

  • @spacekraken666
    @spacekraken666 Рік тому +1

    Okay, now how do i survive BVR in the F-4F Phantom (Germany, 11.0)?

    • @FreeAvenIGERI
      @FreeAvenIGERI Рік тому

      you just cant, F4F time is over in the current meta. Its like the F4E sure you can have a good round but followed of multiple bad rounds where you simply get smacked. If you want to play German Top Tier jets, play the MiG23 MLA.

  • @Blueesteel_
    @Blueesteel_ Рік тому +1

    The radar on the F16A ADFdoesn’t mesh well with the AIM7M… fails 90% of the time at medium range

  • @wilsonlee4658
    @wilsonlee4658 Рік тому

    Guess i start focusing the MIG29s first as the EJ kai then. At least its a trade against an F14 or F16 with my 7F. But my brick of a plane will not be able to kill this thing unless it wasnt paying attention lol

  • @ImAFatCheezIt
    @ImAFatCheezIt Рік тому

    How do you make your radar look like that mine looks like a piece of pie when i fly the mig29? im new to radar stuff so idk if it provides an advantage or how to

    • @Doge-tk4pp
      @Doge-tk4pp Рік тому +1

      Options->air battle settings-> rectangular radar on.

  • @hawisgood2617
    @hawisgood2617 Рік тому

    How does chaff actually work in-game? In this video he notches then chaffs, which fools the sparrow, but I’ve had many times in the Tomcat where I locked onto enemy chaff and the sparrow still tracked. In addition, a few days ago a MiG-29 launched what I think was an 27ER at me, and I chaffed, turned cold and stopped getting RWR warning, then still got hit ten seconds later anyway. Is it the notch that makes the chaff work?

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +1

      Yes, you almost always have to be 90 degrees while chaffing

    • @appa609
      @appa609 Рік тому

      I've locked onto one target and watched a different target get smoked. The Aim7 kinda acts like it's in flood mode rn

    • @hawisgood2617
      @hawisgood2617 Рік тому

      @@SeekerHead got it thanks

  • @radzieckikote8882
    @radzieckikote8882 Рік тому

    i have a question wich one is better for flares? mixex or flare pirority

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +1

      flare priority on hot planes like f14, mixed for normal temp planes

  • @planesarecool9460
    @planesarecool9460 Рік тому +1

    If they add the aim120 do you think it will be better

    • @jansatamme6521
      @jansatamme6521 8 місяців тому

      no, its american, they'll pull a russian conspiracy paper missile from 2024 and put it on the mig and it'll have 300km range and moves at mach 11 with a burn time of 7 minutes and it can go active instantly and its radar can easily spot an f-22 at 500km

  • @EnteSuessSauer
    @EnteSuessSauer 10 місяців тому

    why does trashingthe missile with chaff work? I started to only bring flares as pd / pdv's aren't chaffable? Why does it "trash" the missile then tho? I go 90° in such a situation, too, but rather to break the pd lock then to "trash" a missile with chaff. Could you pls explain that further? Would be interesting to know if there actually was any mechanic that made bringing chaff to top tier not a waste of space for flares?

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  10 місяців тому

      Yes, because if someone is locking you in normal SRC radar mode (not PD, and thus can hold a lock on you when you’re 90 degrees) you’re screwed without chaff. Chaffing fools the radar in SRC mode. From there, you have to take into account the missiles guidance. All of them at top tier will be CW guided, meaning they can distinguish between chaff and the target. Going 90 degrees makes you look like the chaff, and this even the CW missiles will be fooled

    • @lemangeur2poulet248
      @lemangeur2poulet248 6 місяців тому

      @@SeekerHeadthats not how it works. Pd try recognise the velocity of a target so it can tell what is ground, what is chaff and what is target.
      That’s primarily why most pd radars don’t have iff.
      By turning 90degrees the radar simply doesn’t see the difference between you and the ground so it cancel lock.

  • @daltongeouge4474
    @daltongeouge4474 Місяць тому

    So the tws doesn’t work in the Su 27 or am I just dumb

  • @eeuusi779
    @eeuusi779 Рік тому

    Hey just a quick question. How do you get different radar lock types? I cant seem to Figure it out I only get TRK PD where as you even have TRK PD HDN?

    • @eeuusi779
      @eeuusi779 Рік тому

      And when i try to lock target all I get for the locking is ACM PD

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Рік тому +1

      assign a key to all the radar controls

    • @eeuusi779
      @eeuusi779 Рік тому

      @@SeekerHead which radar control is it, cuz i have all asinged but the radar target control axis ones and cant seem to find how to use anythin else than ACM PD and TRK PD, no HDN or anything else, also appreciate the response

  • @blackairforceone
    @blackairforceone Рік тому

    You sir are a God... A religion! I worship!

  • @Sneakymnms
    @Sneakymnms Рік тому +2

    Great video. Now tell me how to beat the f-14 when you are in a Mirage f1c.

  • @robw8838
    @robw8838 Рік тому +1

    Curious question... how does going cold defeat a locked missile or radar?

    • @mrsteel250
      @mrsteel250 Рік тому

      Multiple ways, you either outrun it or the chaff appears more prominent to the enemy radar than your plane (not too sure on the latter point as it seems the only way to reliably defeat a missile with enough energy to hit you no matter what in DCS World is to turn almost perfectly 90 degrees to the enemy radar, but it seems just turning anywhere beyond 90 degrees is reliable in war thunder)

    • @andytheotaku6894
      @andytheotaku6894 5 місяців тому

      Pulse doppler radar which was used in those missile and also radar can stay lock the target only when they coming to the radar itself fast so if u notch or go cold the speed which you heading towards the missile or plane will be really low so it cant lock