How to Survive in Top Tier Jets | War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2023
- Hopefully this will help some of y'all that were having issues dealing with top tier foes like the F-16, F-14, or MiG-29. Try to not die :)
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How to survive in non-supersonic, non-countermeasure 8.7 or 9.3 planes vs SU-25 or A-10. Gaijin seems to think this is a fair matchup. I challenge you to prove them in any way right😂
Oh, it definitely is not. I've resorted to running rockets to try and decoy the missiles in the headon, it usually works.
You Pray to gaijin and pull G force the hell out of your Pilot
@@GeneralLee2000deafyn said you can turn off afterburner and go 10-20% away from head on then merge
@@jacobdoolan4978 That works sometimes, Defyn knows wassup of course 😎. Depends on how hot your plane is though
Doesn’t work sometimes since the f-14 runs extremely hot compared to others. Notice the mig29 also runs hot when they get up close enough to you
Another nice tip is if your low to the ground and you notice a radar missile launched at you nose down ever so slightly the guidance system will often over correct and send the missile right into the ground trying to lead you allowing you to keep your speed and getting rid of a missile
Sometimes it doesn’t work in sim battles even when I hug the sea surface at 20 to 30 meters. But generally it does work
This is the stuff I'm constantly trying to tell people who tell me Top Tier is RNG. You cannot dodge that which you do not see. If you see the missile at launch, you are almost guaranteed to be able to trash it. Current top performance Fox-1's like Aim-7F, Super 530D, and R-27ER are so cracked that dodging them kinetically is practically impossible. You will notch this missile, or you will die. End of story.
The other part of it is making sure not to use too many countermeasures. If you notch correctly, it should only take one pop of chaff. IR's may take a few flares but no more. I can count the number of times I have run out of countermeasures in TT on two hands ever since I learned to use them properly. Conserve your countermeasures, and if you see a radar lock, don't turn into it. You're not getting the missile off first. Just play it safe, go back into the notch, and force a merge.
It's not RNG, it's just an entirely different skillset
@@GeneralLee2000 Yup. Many times, knowing how to survive at top tier means knowing the actual science behind the systems. The moment I explained to a new guy I recently came across what notching was in full and told them about RWR blind spots, they started doing notably better trying to exploit them both as much as he could.
dude i was playing with on discord had a macro to dump a frankly obscene amount of chaff/flares, damn near a continuous amount of tinsel and burning magnesium emitted by his planes arse.
he kept raging that all those countermeasures weren't effective instead of learning why they were leading the missiles straight to him.
From my understanding notching also matches your closure rate to enemy radars as the ground making the radar filter you out entirely as ground clutter, though i'm unsure if this is modelled in game.
Notching works because pulse Doppler radars bounce waves off of objects and then go back to the radar. The only way this works is if you are getting closer or farther away from the radar. If you are perpendicular then the missile loses its lock.
Compared to notching if you are close enough to the ground you can dodge most missiles. A lot of times in head on people make the mistake to go up in altitude just a little bit which is the wrong maneuver to do
A good tip is to not try to notch a aim 54 when it’s out bulled onto you. Most of the time it won’t follow the chaff if you aren’t already semi notching it, and will sometimes even still get you from cold aspects. If your going super fast then a good idea would be to go left or right till your pretty much all the way notching and then once it’s about 3 km away pull to the opposite side. It won’t be able to keep up with the gs and it’ll miss every time.
Excellent tips! Taking notes now!
Awesome! Glad I could be of help :)
You sure you’re the right man to make this video? The R24T would call that into question 😎. Another Lee win as usual
I've stopped being touched by them 🙃... Mostly
R24 are hard to see sometimes but if you hear a missile just start flaring right away. Also make sure to check your six above for any missile trails
Good vid, keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
Now I understand why people get pissed when I launch an r530d at them and they try spamming flares and turning 14gs in vein.
the reason the rockets loose lock when you fly low is a thing called ground effect, Radar clutter created by the objects on the ground deflecting the radar waves.
That's called Radar multipathing or something, ground effect is an aerodynamic phenomenon
Great tips and I and many real word combat aviation experts agree if you can't see itt you can't dodge it!
Exactly!
ayo another W lee vid lets gooooo
:))))))
I would love to see a video about notching radar as idk how to do that
Me: *Doesn't have a clue what any of this is.*
Also me: *Enjoys*
SO BASED
@@GeneralLee2000 no u
Also, being a Consol player myself, I can tell you right now switching radars is almost impossible without some type of key binding too much going on too fast to try to hit button combination to put different radars
I play on PC and keys 3-6 are radar for me
I was hoping there'd be something about what to do without countermeasures, Gaijin's balance is just...^^ Here's me in my f-104A in the american tech tree, thinking I might finally get away from unfair matchups (aka sabres facing supersonics), only to barely ever dodge R-60M from SU-25 etc. no matter how hard I pull, even if it starts from 4km away.
Would you recommend the F-100? I heard from a buddy the F8U-2 is supposed to be rather good?
Honestly, as I am seeing it right now the only thing I can do to reach anything proper is using some early jets to grind out to something better because as it is I am only losing what little SL I have and learn nothing
If you check out my F-104 video I actually play it in there, but your best bet is to keep your speed up and do some small S-turns to bleed the speed of the missile before it gets to you. If it's a Su-25, go headon and fire your AIM-9B at their R-60M after they launch, it'll serve as a kinda flare
@@GeneralLee2000 I just watched it. Thank you for the tips, I will definitely try that. Hopefully gaijin can balance the game better within the next decade or so lol
How do you get that target tracking on everything near your cursor? like the box it puts around ever target that shows distance for ai targets
Lee moment
Good vid
Thanks bro, I appreciate it!
Chaff doesn't work against the aim 7 even when notching unless 2 feet off the surface
tbh Gaijin should add missile launch warning
Does turning off the afterburner help avoid rockets when chaffing? Asking since I haven't reached jets yet and I've seen a lot of criticism towards players complaining about flares not working while they were using afterburner.
turning off afterburner and flaring (not the same as chaffing) would help if it’s a heat seeking missile, since your afterburner will cause the missile to ignore the flares. to my understanding chaffing works better and worse depending what radar mode you’re on and how the plane is flying, if you’re “notching” how he showed in the video chaff works best since radars have trouble detecting horizontally
@@frankleon768 I understand now, thank you!
Like he said it does when dealing with heatseekers, doesn't make a difference with radar missiles
chaff will also not do anything against top tier radar unless its regular search mode and not PD
The problem is i have a mouse glitch where it will randomly scroll without me clicking anything if I go off of wep. I'm handicapped because my mouse is broken, but I don't wanna buy a new one because I'm bad ad adapting to new sensitivity if I go off of wep I have to use Keys to get back onto WEP and this doesn't allow me to free look while going back into wep, rip.
I fly low and it tends to work against Phoenixes, but 7M Sparrows still get me, even if I jink and chaff.
I don’t want to survive though! Major… I’m burning up!!!!
Chad going headon with a Phoenix
Nice
Hey one problem I always have is I always get chased by 4+ enemies when I'm alone, how can I not always be in the worst place at the worst time ? I keep dying in top tier solely for this reason, my team dies 90 percent of games I play and I'm caught alone trying to defend 4+ enemies and die, this happens to me almost every game.
What direction do you turn after takeoff? Most of the team usually goes left, so if you're going straight or right you'll run into the entire team.
@@GeneralLee2000 I almost always go far left when I take off.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 it's a delicate balance, and part of it may just be your team all dying. Try running a 4man squad, it really helps
R-27ER is so OP, its impossible to do anything against that. You cant win in a joust and can't evade it.
I heard something about going only chaff, any thoughts?
I would NOT recommend that lol, especially with the proliferation of AIM-9Ls and R-60Ms. You just are not reliably dodging those without flares...
No do not do this. If anything you can go only flares if you really know what you are doing but I would recommend mixed or flare priority depending on jet
How do you change your radar
you got phoenixed by jetnoob
Shit, lol I do all this and missiles still somehow find me and kill me yet my missiles Miss every other target
Did all Fox 1s have PD seekers? Could’ve sworn there were a couple pulse seeker SARH missiles at top tier
The only one I can think of is the R.530F, which is incredibly irrelevent so I didn't even mention it ahaha
The f4j (UK) has semi active radar homing missiles, but the radar on the plane itself has Pulse Doppler capabilities, I hope this helps you.
fox 1s have no seeker, the plane guides the missile
@@groerkurtfurst9 Not the planes radar, SARHs have different types of seekerheads, it shows on the statcard as "CW" or "Pulse".
@@cherryperoxide That is simply false. These missiles have no datalink, the missiles have a seekerhead, which "sees" the reflections coming back towards it and chooses where to guide based on that.
How to survive at bombing base in 11.0 I just can’t with the su23m3 it only has 12 chaff 😢 plus Sometimes I dodge a missile but the explosive range crits me.😿
the middle method of flying very low is your best bet, with that few countermeasures. I would honestly just run flares and stay very very low.
General is right, if you stay grass level most radar missiles won’t hit you
is he are ace crew, he didn't pass out in that turning
at 6:06
I have an expert crew on there, but if you push the nose down slightly like I did it resets the G-lock
Haha friends
Gotta stop making these vids. You’re making it harder to kill people! Jkjk great vid! I knew how to avoid them, but now I better understand why it works, which helps me a lot
Haha, I'm glad you enjoyed! It really does help if you know the mechanics of how it works, sadly most of the community isn't aware of it yet.
i just got the F5-C and i find it really hard
Biggest thing is gonna be awareness. In uptiers, use the tricks I showed you to avoid radar missiles as well.
What I do to grind with the f5c is fly far very wide of the main battle area, constantly use after burner (unless someone is try to lock me with a missile), ensure bases are safe to bomb and them bomb them to ensure I get points and then either go off to dogfight in the main battleground or sneak on a jet retreating to airfield. The latter is very reliable as most people have their guard down if they don’t actively check their 6
Average new wt wallet warrior
1:32 lol u got killed by jet noob
how to survive in top tier jets: step 1. play america
step 2. dont be cancer and play russia
After nerfs to f-16 it’s not as potent as before and I’m noticing mig29 with the new buffs are wrecking games
Can't wait for AIM-120s
Same here, the game isn't quite ready for it now.
@@GeneralLee2000 I think we're ready for B-52 with long range cruise missiles. #BringBackBomberMeta
@@GeneralLee2000 Don't acknowledge I just subscribed, totally haven't been watching your videos for a few months before this point.
If Gaijin cares about what came first in the real world, we need F-15s and F-18s before the AIM-120.
Real life Aim-54 are nothing at all like the ones in the game. IRL they were very unreliable. Some wouldn't track at all, some would just fly off to space, but ALL of them struggled to hit small targets like Fighters. They were made to take down slow big bombers, not fighter jets. So they struggled to target track and maneuver on them. In the game, they are just like the top IR missiles in terms of tracking and maneuvering. only difference is they use "radar". The game has no difference between radar or IR. the game is coded for the missile to just track the target. The Aim-54 is the most unfair and OP missile in the game, and they just introduced an even better version. No single Nation should have such an unfair advantage over EVERYONE else. Just imagine how fucked it's going to be when they add the Aim-120... Since basically only the U.S has them, they are again going to be the most OP and unfair Nation(taking away the current "balance" of multiple nations having the F-16)
It seems to me Iran was pretty happy with their results, using the AIM-54.
The US Navy never got any use out of it because by the time they tried the missiles were *old*
The rocket motors, and probably other components, were past their shelf life and didn't work right.
You're an automobile
Just stay low
Step 1: Stop playing the game
Step 2: Touch grass
I touch too much grass, having to detox :)
bad video. l take