ALL 15 MiG-21s COMPARED: MiG-21F-13 to J-7E

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  • Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
  • MiG-21SMT vs 9.3 jets is a completely fair and enjoyable experience for all parties involved
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    0:00 - Monke
    1:03 - MiG-21F-13
    2:43 - MiG-21PFM [Event]
    4:38 - MiG-21SPS-K [Premium]
    6:14 - MiG-21S R-13-300 [Premium]
    8:00 - MiG-21MF
    8:58 - MiG-21SMT
    10:05 - MiG-21bis
    12:36 - J-7II
    13:28 - J-7D [Garbage]
    14:58 - J-7E
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  • @perennialE
    @perennialE Місяць тому +161

    Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of delta wing before triangles was invented

  • @freezedvegetal
    @freezedvegetal Місяць тому +160

    Can't wait for Gaijin to completely overhaul the J-7E's flight model next week to make this video irrelevant 🥰

    • @V0TION
      @V0TION Місяць тому +2

      wait what

    • @itsericzhou
      @itsericzhou Місяць тому +2

      am i just super out of the loop? what

    • @ViperFox_
      @ViperFox_ Місяць тому +8

      @@V0TIONthere is an upcoming nerf of both the mig23 and mig21

    • @Dunnay48
      @Dunnay48 Місяць тому

      FFS I just started researching it

    • @AstroGamer_da_real
      @AstroGamer_da_real Місяць тому +1

      Says the guy who ONLY PLAYS THE J-7E

  • @DonutWithMustache
    @DonutWithMustache Місяць тому +46

    Lebron reportedly spotted trying to two-circle an F-5E in the MiG-21Bis.
    How will the open bug report about nerfing MiG-21 turnrate affect Lebron's legacy?

    • @malithaw
      @malithaw Місяць тому +1

      Unreal

    • @kingghidorah8106
      @kingghidorah8106 Місяць тому +2

      probably moving f-5e up to 11.0 again turning it into the n1k2j of supersonic jets except for the lackluster armament part.

  • @Nightmare_52
    @Nightmare_52 Місяць тому +18

    the one boost to the PFM is it has a red camo, so its very cool

  • @FatherExo
    @FatherExo Місяць тому +28

    You know whats cooler than soviet delta wings? The Amana White/Black Portable Air Conditioner with Remote Control (available at Sam’s Club!)

  • @jcool017
    @jcool017 Місяць тому +10

    I'm just quietly hoping they give us the J7E's later varient with HMD, python 3s, and a upgraded engine. A J8F that's even more competitive in a dogfight? Yes please

  • @GeneralLee2000
    @GeneralLee2000 Місяць тому +26

    I'm actually kinda excited for the Bison and I don't know

  • @pandoranbias1622
    @pandoranbias1622 Місяць тому +2

    The F-13 was crazy when the A-10 dropped, it was like running circles around the fat kid in the playground.

  • @ogwancannoli
    @ogwancannoli Місяць тому +11

    Jaek, keep making videos so that it causes the Gaijin gods to change more things and immediately make the video obsolete.

  • @zanaduz2018
    @zanaduz2018 Місяць тому +8

    I'm slightly surprised that this didn't cover the J-8s, which are also derived from its predecessor (the J-7), and thus are at least partially related to the MiG-21 series.

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +9

      Thought about including them but the video was getting pretty long. They really do feel like MiG-21s to fly for sure

    • @-..----.--.-...
      @-..----.--.-... Місяць тому +7

      J-8 is essentially Su-15

  • @huyhoangdo3096
    @huyhoangdo3096 Місяць тому +1

    Fun fact: When the USSR provided MiG 21s to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, the Chinese took out the electronic systems of such MiG 21s (since they had to be transferred through China) for reserve engineering, and replaced such systems with the domestically produced systems of the Chinese. Soviet air advisors in Vietnam were very shocked to discover this.
    I really hope that in the future some people would make VPAF's market available skins for MiG 21 PF, MF, and PFM. I would buy them so hard. We're the most famous and enthusiastic MiG 21 users in the world and still have only one skin for that MiG 21 F-13

  • @rodolfohernandez3303
    @rodolfohernandez3303 Місяць тому +9

    Yes, New Video from Jaek. by the way....Great Intro with the Monkee, that was hilarious

  • @Tuhrue
    @Tuhrue Місяць тому +10

    2:37 love to see it. The mig 21s are like my favourite counter to the F5 spam, especially the bis in a downtier

    • @mey.tomhero4876
      @mey.tomhero4876 Місяць тому +2

      the Bis is the goat. It is great

    • @kantina4765
      @kantina4765 Місяць тому

      They’re my favourite planes to fight in the f5 cos they’re super dangerous initially

    • @Viviana088
      @Viviana088 20 днів тому

      Try the smt its really strong and pretty competitive in a up tier.

  • @Narsheo
    @Narsheo Місяць тому +11

    Monthly jaek banger dropped

  • @henri2058
    @henri2058 Місяць тому +2

    Great video, as always.

  • @explosivecommando9100
    @explosivecommando9100 Місяць тому

    Thanks a lot for this tutorial. Been thinking about grinding the german one

  • @Captain_Coleslaw
    @Captain_Coleslaw Місяць тому

    Yet another banger video!!! Keep at it my man! Lets got some more weapon system comparisons and deep dives :) Gun performance and stuff would be sick too!

  • @nick4754
    @nick4754 Місяць тому +4

    Jaek is the goat of warthunder UA-camrs, he comes drops a great video and leaves

  • @Deviss2
    @Deviss2 Місяць тому

    Good video man, thanks for the informational.

  • @Evrimomono
    @Evrimomono Місяць тому

    these comparison videos are addicting
    more!

  • @yifanzhao4572
    @yifanzhao4572 Місяць тому +1

    Late models of both have some crazy modifications. MiG-21UPG can fire R-77, R-73, and other precision guided air to ground munitions, while J-7 in the early 2000s evolves into JL-9.

  • @exhausting_thoughts
    @exhausting_thoughts Місяць тому

    Jaek, your content is War Thunder's patrimony.
    Like and excellent video as always.

  • @friesingcold
    @friesingcold Місяць тому +9

    Babe new Jaek vid just dropped

  • @jts0221
    @jts0221 Місяць тому

    Ace combat hanger vibe? Subscribed.

  • @badasstasticusbadass4908
    @badasstasticusbadass4908 Місяць тому +2

    The Mig-21 variant that i would love to see in the game is the LanceR configuration which are super modified Mig-21s that the Rumanian airforce used for a while before been replaced by the F-16.

  • @andreapiucco1940
    @andreapiucco1940 24 дні тому

    nice video !

  • @CorporalAdrianShephard.
    @CorporalAdrianShephard. Місяць тому +2

    Sorry was jamming to Fort Grays Air Base Hangar theme. What did you say?

  • @raihanrusli2720
    @raihanrusli2720 Місяць тому +1

    I barely play the game anymore (I play the game to remind me that I shouldnt play it lol), but still excited to see this and donut's rundown. Yours for serious analysis, donut for meme

  • @Shatheedjameson.
    @Shatheedjameson. Місяць тому +2

    I heard that ace combat music

  • @user-ki4ms5jg7r
    @user-ki4ms5jg7r Місяць тому +1

    The pronunciation "lazoor' " is correct if you'd like to know it. Nice review, thx for the vid! o7

  • @dbull1
    @dbull1 Місяць тому +1

    hell yeah jaekypoo uploaded 💦💦

  • @freanz3000
    @freanz3000 23 дні тому

    2:20 ''most expperienced f-5 player'' got me🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Lykas_mitts
    @Lykas_mitts Місяць тому

    I remember when the F-13 was not foldered, fun times.
    Still haven't spaded it.

  • @ssd3337
    @ssd3337 Місяць тому

    J7G and J7M have some modernized replacement like AA AG weapons, PD radar and HMD, can't wait to fly them in WT

  • @AstroGamer_da_real
    @AstroGamer_da_real Місяць тому +1

    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES FINALY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @R3llyman
    @R3llyman Місяць тому +3

    now this is awkward after seeing mig 21 and comrade

  • @LTSarcasm
    @LTSarcasm Місяць тому

    I feel it's a bit worth noting on the 7E's flight model - what might be noticed by the utter lack of fuel bulge and the NR30 is that it's a 1st gen airframe. It's actually notably lighter than the Bis, which is part of why the difference in engine power isn't such a issue.
    That said, G2 (or as a premium F-7BGI) and then Jeff darnit.

  • @icy3-1
    @icy3-1 Місяць тому

    It is here :3

  • @BrockvsTV
    @BrockvsTV Місяць тому

    Thank you for all the cool in-depth videos. I don’t play the game much anymore but they are still well done and entertaining

  • @landehn1212
    @landehn1212 Місяць тому

    AC7 menu music goes hard

  • @master_dirt1435
    @master_dirt1435 Місяць тому

    So, I have the J7d and I'll add a little fuel to your fire. The radar does not have IFF. I haven't looked into this personally, but I'm pretty sure a friend mentioned this is an upgrade from the 1990s. Imagine that in a relatively modern fighter... Not a big deal for most players since it doesn't have radar missiles anyway, but as a sim player it hurts. The plane is fun and makes a great vulture but it is awful in rb as you're in almost a perpetual uptier. I find its sim performance to be fantastic as long as you can ID planes well, and the pl7 being radar slavable is fantastic there. the hud is very nice to have for just about all situations.

  • @Luke27WT
    @Luke27WT Місяць тому

    fun fact: along with different flares on mig-21bis, there are different nose antennas)

  • @Frogg-YT
    @Frogg-YT Місяць тому +3

    Jaek mig21 vid about a week after donut mig21 vid 😮

  • @toastoftriumph
    @toastoftriumph Місяць тому

    Great video!
    For lower tier jets lacking flares, do you think it's worth bringing rockets as makeshift flares/decoys?

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      It's better than nothing

  • @ViperFox_
    @ViperFox_ Місяць тому

    MiG 21 SMT is an absolutely goated plane. So fun to fly

  • @XpunisherX8152
    @XpunisherX8152 Місяць тому +1

    BTW : the PFM KH-66 can be guided if its locked onto an enemy aircraft but still needs a direct hit as it doesnt have proxy fuse

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +4

      Interesting, haven't tried that but the Fireflash guidance works the same way so it wouldn't surprise me

  • @nathanlloyd8704
    @nathanlloyd8704 18 днів тому +1

    The mig 21 bison is the best one now having the best missiles but only 200 in the cannons

  • @kazline1455
    @kazline1455 Місяць тому

    Personally i find the J-7D to je quite fun for air sim as its 10.7 there (meaning it gets a down tier bracket 2/8 days in the rotation) and it gets a useful HUD in the cockpit
    It should however have more modern avionics like a better RWR and better radar, one bug thing that makes this radar more useless then the saphire radar is the lack of IFF which really makes identifying aircraft a probably
    Especially how I fly the fishbed in sim, i basically i fly low with radar off, look for targets visually, ID with radar and engage if enemy

  • @Hyper_1989
    @Hyper_1989 Місяць тому

    The agms on the su-17m2 also guide by the nose, or at least they did when i used them yesterday.

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      IIRC those are laser guided and the laser is just a pod that's fixed forward, so they will set off LWS systems

    • @Hyper_1989
      @Hyper_1989 Місяць тому

      @jaek_898 that makes sense, thanks.

  • @arandomfawn5289
    @arandomfawn5289 Місяць тому

    Can we get a video on the A4 and the variants in game? Or how to use the damn things

  • @MiG21fanboy
    @MiG21fanboy Місяць тому +1

    Me, a massive fan of the j7d, i think its overtiered yet its such an amazing plane!!!

    • @D0gEAtD0g
      @D0gEAtD0g Місяць тому

      Just a missile carrier, nothing more

    • @MiG21fanboy
      @MiG21fanboy Місяць тому

      @@D0gEAtD0g the f4's are missle carriers, the J7D aint. But alright, keep thinking that

    • @reinni2968
      @reinni2968 Місяць тому +1

      4 rear aspect missiles and pretty mediocre airframe and engine at 11.0...isnt the J7E just better? A5C looks like a way better grinder for china

    • @MiG21fanboy
      @MiG21fanboy Місяць тому

      @@reinni2968 i have both, amd the j7d is alot better
      Sure the airframe doesnt look good, but it actual is. Esepcialy if you play sim

    • @sparkling925
      @sparkling925 Місяць тому +1

      @@MiG21fanboyI think you're just coping with the fact that you paid 70 bucks for an overtired mig21 and I can't blame you

  • @SkinkUA
    @SkinkUA Місяць тому

    So true

  • @MorningGI0ry
    @MorningGI0ry Місяць тому

    MiG-21 SMT my beloved 🥰

  • @mega_bruh
    @mega_bruh Місяць тому

    Will the next video be about all F-5s?
    Maybe even tornadoes or harriers

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      Probably Mirages but I'm not sure yet, I want to remake the sparrow video and finish my jet guide as well as cover the june update, so I might not get around to doing another one of these plane family videos for a while

  • @AstroGamer_da_real
    @AstroGamer_da_real Місяць тому

    Can you do an All ATGMs compared?

  • @MrJibJub13
    @MrJibJub13 Місяць тому

    Please do one on spitfires. there is so many

  • @mayto420
    @mayto420 Місяць тому

    4:05 i think you mean nose guided, since the Vikhrs on the Su-25T and Su-39 are beam-riding

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      Well, beam riding and nose guided I guess. The Su-17M2 has nose guided laser guided ATGMs.

  • @thatoneguy1741
    @thatoneguy1741 Місяць тому

    Damn howd you find footage of me in the intro 🗿

  • @jeskler
    @jeskler Місяць тому

    Completely and utterly related to most of the video, but a small thing that bugs me is the Soviet flag, it's the 1936 version used during World War 2 which was replaced eventually in 1955 with a slightly different hammer and sickle design, about 4 years before the Mig-21 was introduced.
    Again, insignificant nitpick, it's just something that always gets me when I see it.

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      I pulled the flags from the game files, I dont remember seeing a second version but I'll double check for next time

  • @sneakysnek8416
    @sneakysnek8416 Місяць тому

    I wish i could still see your Sparrow video

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      Working on its replacement, I need to update it for 2024 and I think I can make it better than I did the first time 👍

    • @sneakysnek8416
      @sneakysnek8416 Місяць тому

      @@jaek_898 can you make a video about the TAF jet man? I love TAF

  • @emilelerate6454
    @emilelerate6454 Місяць тому

    JAek vid drop lfg man

  • @DzinkyDzink
    @DzinkyDzink Місяць тому +2

    Nah... You can't possibly hate the J7D more than the guys who made it in the game.

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +2

      Gaijin's laughing all the way to the bank on that one...

  • @Proskilljg
    @Proskilljg Місяць тому +1

    didn;t donutwithmoustage make a mig 21 family video too recently?

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +2

      Yes but the two videos are quite different

    • @Proskilljg
      @Proskilljg Місяць тому

      @@jaek_898 I know, both are fun to watch :)

  • @KaguyasBeat
    @KaguyasBeat Місяць тому +1

    Was the PL-7 affected by the Magic buffs to?

  • @jacoproita9010
    @jacoproita9010 Місяць тому

    I would also love to see the romanian MiG-21 LanceR for Italy

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      Maybe the IAI MiG-21-2000 for Israel too since I think the two are related

    • @jacoproita9010
      @jacoproita9010 Місяць тому

      @@jaek_898 never heard of the MiG-21-2000 but they probably are related since the LanceR upgrade was done by an israeli company

  • @diobrando2575
    @diobrando2575 Місяць тому

    I actually really like the J-7D, but I do think it's overtiered for what it is and either needs PL-5Cs or a drop to 10.7.

  • @easterndragon194
    @easterndragon194 Місяць тому

    The j7e is so much better than all other mig-21's in performance in WT

  • @spacedude2762
    @spacedude2762 Місяць тому

    What happened to the old "all aim 7 models compared" video? I can't see it anymore

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      Unlisted and working on its replacement

    • @spacedude2762
      @spacedude2762 Місяць тому

      Ok! Good vid as always btw

  • @RkHy
    @RkHy Місяць тому

    Mirage (and Kfir) or maybe Sabres next?

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      Mirages + Kfirs is going to be an absolute unit of a video to make

  • @retr0_fps
    @retr0_fps Місяць тому

    ahh yes, the 9.3 hellscape

  • @Duality.12
    @Duality.12 Місяць тому

    oh neat im the 1000th like on the video

  • @Alemikkola
    @Alemikkola Місяць тому

    Obligatory comment to boost the video for the overlords, but what do you have in mind for the next video?

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      For plane families I want to do Mirages, F-104s, and A-4s, for missiles I need to do the minor nation missile video, and I need to finish my jets 101 video.

  • @TamamoF0X
    @TamamoF0X Місяць тому

    Wait this is how i find out UK might be getting a fishbed????

  • @stefanstoia1975
    @stefanstoia1975 Місяць тому

    This before the r-77 mig 21 gets added

  • @Fuzeha
    @Fuzeha Місяць тому

    I will say for 9.7, R-3Rs arent exactly bad. Sure, they are very bad on paper, but the wide gimbal limit and decent acceleration of the missile allows you to 'lead' the missile at your targets which greatly improves its capability. I think its better than the AIM-7D in practise if you are good with them. Of course, with most missiles at this BR, it requires a fairly large degree of retardation on the enemies part to be effective.

    • @sparkling925
      @sparkling925 Місяць тому

      I think they're best described as a gimmick

    • @Fuzeha
      @Fuzeha Місяць тому

      @@sparkling925 Nah they have some true effectiveness against enemies going very slow and in headons. I know what you mean tho, its very rare that a good player wont be able to defeat ur missile.

  • @IIW4RHAWKII
    @IIW4RHAWKII Місяць тому

    I made the mistake of buying the j7d and I regret it so much

  • @Bobert_da_man
    @Bobert_da_man Місяць тому

    4:05 what about the vikhrs on the su25t?

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      You're right but I should have been more specific; I meant to say nose guided and beam riding. There's nose guided missiles that aren't beam riding (Su-17M2) and there's beam riding missiles that aren't nose guided (Su25T)

  • @seancushing1113
    @seancushing1113 Місяць тому

    If only there were new engines made mig 21s would endure forever

  • @emonster317
    @emonster317 Місяць тому

    Nachos go well with vodka

  • @sharcc2511
    @sharcc2511 Місяць тому

    340 views 27 minutes after posting, bro flew

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      Channel fell off fr

  • @IsurusOxyrinchus
    @IsurusOxyrinchus Місяць тому +8

    F-22 wins against all of them I think

    • @bombcat5517
      @bombcat5517 Місяць тому +15

      false, J-7E has no radar therefore F-22 stealth does not work against it. "A ninja who spent a lifetime training his stealth has no bearing on a blind man" - Sun Tzu i think
      tremendous PLAAF victory once again

  • @milk______________
    @milk______________ Місяць тому +2

    mig 21 for gb, awkward...

  • @Dreazy_YT
    @Dreazy_YT Місяць тому

    Honestly the sps-k is kinda underrated, take the gun always. You can use your missiles as “chaff” most of the time in head on’s which works pretty well against 9L’s or really any all aspects in the 10.0 br range.

    • @sparkling925
      @sparkling925 Місяць тому +1

      That's a lot of work to make a just work, especially one you paid money for

  • @ZigaZagu
    @ZigaZagu Місяць тому

    It really could be 10.7, couldn't it

  • @wtf27pl12
    @wtf27pl12 Місяць тому

    Caught lacking

  • @chaseshear
    @chaseshear Місяць тому

    Posted 11 minutes ago

  • @MrRangalu
    @MrRangalu Місяць тому

    Always think J-7D should be 10.7

  • @Mcpecog
    @Mcpecog Місяць тому

    could have sworn this was joob.

  • @t2av159
    @t2av159 Місяць тому

    italian subtree, hungarian

  • @FairFireFight
    @FairFireFight Місяць тому

    J-8B > J-7E fite me

  • @hensen6
    @hensen6 Місяць тому

    1:38 worst aim 9b? come on it's a little faster than aim 9b

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +2

      It's a little slower, it has the same width and drag as the 9B but the R3S is a few kilos heavier initially so it has ever so slightly less delta V.

  • @fusionx7276
    @fusionx7276 Місяць тому

    Where’s the sparrow video

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому +1

      Working on a new version right now

    • @fusionx7276
      @fusionx7276 Місяць тому

      @@jaek_898 sweet, but there hasn’t been any new sparrows added to the game so what’s it gonna cover that ur last video didn’t also amazing content

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  Місяць тому

      @@fusionx7276 Couple reasons for remaking it. I wan't happy with the quality of the audio, I didn't include a section about why the 7F/M goes off to nowhere when you launch it, I can use sensor view now, etc

    • @Panocek
      @Panocek 25 днів тому

      @@jaek_898 Any particular reason why Sparrows sometimes don't track? My guess would be "two circles" indicator being not matching missile seeker reception or it gets confused by multiple tracking/guiding radars?

    • @jaek_898
      @jaek_898  25 днів тому

      @@Panocek It has to do with the way they have the seeker tuning/filtering set up, combined with the plane's radar. They mess with those values from time to time. As far as I understand it's caused by the seeker being overwhelmed by multiple signals (red circle is accurate but not necesssarily for the plane in question?), or the signal being filtered out somehow. So the ideal situation is a headon, no ground clutter, with only one target in front of you. If you do that they usually work. But if you do a side/rear aspect shot at longer range with multiple planes near your target there's a much higher chance of it not tracking. I just try to minimize the factors that "confuse" it, and not launch it if I think the chance of it going stupid are too high.