Lebron reportedly spotted trying to two-circle an F-5E in the MiG-21Bis. How will the open bug report about nerfing MiG-21 turnrate affect Lebron's legacy?
I'm just quietly hoping they give us the J7E's later varient with HMD, python 3s, and a upgraded engine. A J8F that's even more competitive in a dogfight? Yes please
I'm slightly surprised that this didn't cover the J-8s, which are also derived from its predecessor (the J-7), and thus are at least partially related to the MiG-21 series.
The Mig-21 variant that i would love to see in the game is the LanceR configuration which are super modified Mig-21s that the Rumanian airforce used for a while before been replaced by the F-16.
Late models of both have some crazy modifications. MiG-21UPG can fire R-77, R-73, and other precision guided air to ground munitions, while J-7 in the early 2000s evolves into JL-9.
So, I have the J7d and I'll add a little fuel to your fire. The radar does not have IFF. I haven't looked into this personally, but I'm pretty sure a friend mentioned this is an upgrade from the 1990s. Imagine that in a relatively modern fighter... Not a big deal for most players since it doesn't have radar missiles anyway, but as a sim player it hurts. The plane is fun and makes a great vulture but it is awful in rb as you're in almost a perpetual uptier. I find its sim performance to be fantastic as long as you can ID planes well, and the pl7 being radar slavable is fantastic there. the hud is very nice to have for just about all situations.
I feel it's a bit worth noting on the 7E's flight model - what might be noticed by the utter lack of fuel bulge and the NR30 is that it's a 1st gen airframe. It's actually notably lighter than the Bis, which is part of why the difference in engine power isn't such a issue. That said, G2 (or as a premium F-7BGI) and then Jeff darnit.
I barely play the game anymore (I play the game to remind me that I shouldnt play it lol), but still excited to see this and donut's rundown. Yours for serious analysis, donut for meme
Fun fact: When the USSR provided MiG 21s to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, the Chinese took out the electronic systems of such MiG 21s (since they had to be transferred through China) for reserve engineering, and replaced such systems with the domestically produced systems of the Chinese. Soviet air advisors in Vietnam were very shocked to discover this. I really hope that in the future some people would make VPAF's market available skins for MiG 21 PF, MF, and PFM. I would buy them so hard. We're the most famous and enthusiastic MiG 21 users in the world and still have only one skin for that MiG 21 F-13
Yet another banger video!!! Keep at it my man! Lets got some more weapon system comparisons and deep dives :) Gun performance and stuff would be sick too!
Personally i find the J-7D to je quite fun for air sim as its 10.7 there (meaning it gets a down tier bracket 2/8 days in the rotation) and it gets a useful HUD in the cockpit It should however have more modern avionics like a better RWR and better radar, one bug thing that makes this radar more useless then the saphire radar is the lack of IFF which really makes identifying aircraft a probably Especially how I fly the fishbed in sim, i basically i fly low with radar off, look for targets visually, ID with radar and engage if enemy
Completely and utterly related to most of the video, but a small thing that bugs me is the Soviet flag, it's the 1936 version used during World War 2 which was replaced eventually in 1955 with a slightly different hammer and sickle design, about 4 years before the Mig-21 was introduced. Again, insignificant nitpick, it's just something that always gets me when I see it.
false, J-7E has no radar therefore F-22 stealth does not work against it. "A ninja who spent a lifetime training his stealth has no bearing on a blind man" - Sun Tzu i think tremendous PLAAF victory once again
Maybe I ask too much, but would you ever plan to compare old planes (e. g. WW2 USA tech tree seems so messy to me because of incomplete classification by Gaijin and Army and Navy being mixed). Or even something about tanks (because I want to understand all of its designations, but they, as well as USA, had a "naming reform" leading to same planes having different names).
I will say for 9.7, R-3Rs arent exactly bad. Sure, they are very bad on paper, but the wide gimbal limit and decent acceleration of the missile allows you to 'lead' the missile at your targets which greatly improves its capability. I think its better than the AIM-7D in practise if you are good with them. Of course, with most missiles at this BR, it requires a fairly large degree of retardation on the enemies part to be effective.
@@sparkling925 Nah they have some true effectiveness against enemies going very slow and in headons. I know what you mean tho, its very rare that a good player wont be able to defeat ur missile.
For plane families I want to do Mirages, F-104s, and A-4s, for missiles I need to do the minor nation missile video, and I need to finish my jets 101 video.
Probably Mirages but I'm not sure yet, I want to remake the sparrow video and finish my jet guide as well as cover the june update, so I might not get around to doing another one of these plane family videos for a while
Honestly the sps-k is kinda underrated, take the gun always. You can use your missiles as “chaff” most of the time in head on’s which works pretty well against 9L’s or really any all aspects in the 10.0 br range.
You're right but I should have been more specific; I meant to say nose guided and beam riding. There's nose guided missiles that aren't beam riding (Su-17M2) and there's beam riding missiles that aren't nose guided (Su25T)
@@F-14-W Couple reasons for remaking it. I wan't happy with the quality of the audio, I didn't include a section about why the 7F/M goes off to nowhere when you launch it, I can use sensor view now, etc
@@jaek_898 Any particular reason why Sparrows sometimes don't track? My guess would be "two circles" indicator being not matching missile seeker reception or it gets confused by multiple tracking/guiding radars?
@@Panocek It has to do with the way they have the seeker tuning/filtering set up, combined with the plane's radar. They mess with those values from time to time. As far as I understand it's caused by the seeker being overwhelmed by multiple signals (red circle is accurate but not necesssarily for the plane in question?), or the signal being filtered out somehow. So the ideal situation is a headon, no ground clutter, with only one target in front of you. If you do that they usually work. But if you do a side/rear aspect shot at longer range with multiple planes near your target there's a much higher chance of it not tracking. I just try to minimize the factors that "confuse" it, and not launch it if I think the chance of it going stupid are too high.
Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of delta wing before triangles was invented
words of wisdom
What
What does this even mean
@@snakevenom8136 A Delta wing with a Delta wing on top of a Delta wing
@@snakevenom8136 just google it or something idk.
Can't wait for Gaijin to completely overhaul the J-7E's flight model next week to make this video irrelevant 🥰
wait what
am i just super out of the loop? what
@@V0TIONthere is an upcoming nerf of both the mig23 and mig21
FFS I just started researching it
Says the guy who ONLY PLAYS THE J-7E
Lebron reportedly spotted trying to two-circle an F-5E in the MiG-21Bis.
How will the open bug report about nerfing MiG-21 turnrate affect Lebron's legacy?
Unreal
probably moving f-5e up to 11.0 again turning it into the n1k2j of supersonic jets except for the lackluster armament part.
the one boost to the PFM is it has a red camo, so its very cool
The red camo gives it +25 Bias
I'm just quietly hoping they give us the J7E's later varient with HMD, python 3s, and a upgraded engine. A J8F that's even more competitive in a dogfight? Yes please
You know whats cooler than soviet delta wings? The Amana White/Black Portable Air Conditioner with Remote Control (available at Sam’s Club!)
Yes, New Video from Jaek. by the way....Great Intro with the Monkee, that was hilarious
Monthly jaek banger dropped
2:37 love to see it. The mig 21s are like my favourite counter to the F5 spam, especially the bis in a downtier
the Bis is the goat. It is great
They’re my favourite planes to fight in the f5 cos they’re super dangerous initially
Try the smt its really strong and pretty competitive in a up tier.
I'm slightly surprised that this didn't cover the J-8s, which are also derived from its predecessor (the J-7), and thus are at least partially related to the MiG-21 series.
Thought about including them but the video was getting pretty long. They really do feel like MiG-21s to fly for sure
J-8 is essentially Su-15
The Mig-21 variant that i would love to see in the game is the LanceR configuration which are super modified Mig-21s that the Rumanian airforce used for a while before been replaced by the F-16.
Jaek, keep making videos so that it causes the Gaijin gods to change more things and immediately make the video obsolete.
The F-13 was crazy when the A-10 dropped, it was like running circles around the fat kid in the playground.
Jaek is the goat of warthunder UA-camrs, he comes drops a great video and leaves
2:20 ''most expperienced f-5 player'' got me🤣🤣🤣🤣
Late models of both have some crazy modifications. MiG-21UPG can fire R-77, R-73, and other precision guided air to ground munitions, while J-7 in the early 2000s evolves into JL-9.
Great video, as always.
Babe new Jaek vid just dropped
I'm actually kinda excited for the Bison and I don't know
He forgot to finish the comment. It might be time to put Lee in the retirement home.
Lee doesn’t know
why doesn't he know
he forgor
💀
these comparison videos are addicting
more!
So, I have the J7d and I'll add a little fuel to your fire. The radar does not have IFF. I haven't looked into this personally, but I'm pretty sure a friend mentioned this is an upgrade from the 1990s. Imagine that in a relatively modern fighter... Not a big deal for most players since it doesn't have radar missiles anyway, but as a sim player it hurts. The plane is fun and makes a great vulture but it is awful in rb as you're in almost a perpetual uptier. I find its sim performance to be fantastic as long as you can ID planes well, and the pl7 being radar slavable is fantastic there. the hud is very nice to have for just about all situations.
I feel it's a bit worth noting on the 7E's flight model - what might be noticed by the utter lack of fuel bulge and the NR30 is that it's a 1st gen airframe. It's actually notably lighter than the Bis, which is part of why the difference in engine power isn't such a issue.
That said, G2 (or as a premium F-7BGI) and then Jeff darnit.
I barely play the game anymore (I play the game to remind me that I shouldnt play it lol), but still excited to see this and donut's rundown. Yours for serious analysis, donut for meme
Fun fact: When the USSR provided MiG 21s to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, the Chinese took out the electronic systems of such MiG 21s (since they had to be transferred through China) for reserve engineering, and replaced such systems with the domestically produced systems of the Chinese. Soviet air advisors in Vietnam were very shocked to discover this.
I really hope that in the future some people would make VPAF's market available skins for MiG 21 PF, MF, and PFM. I would buy them so hard. We're the most famous and enthusiastic MiG 21 users in the world and still have only one skin for that MiG 21 F-13
Yet another banger video!!! Keep at it my man! Lets got some more weapon system comparisons and deep dives :) Gun performance and stuff would be sick too!
Me, a massive fan of the j7d, i think its overtiered yet its such an amazing plane!!!
Just a missile carrier, nothing more
@@D0gEAtD0g the f4's are missle carriers, the J7D aint. But alright, keep thinking that
4 rear aspect missiles and pretty mediocre airframe and engine at 11.0...isnt the J7E just better? A5C looks like a way better grinder for china
@@reinni2968 i have both, amd the j7d is alot better
Sure the airframe doesnt look good, but it actual is. Esepcialy if you play sim
@@MiG21fanboyI think you're just coping with the fact that you paid 70 bucks for an overtired mig21 and I can't blame you
The pronunciation "lazoor' " is correct if you'd like to know it. Nice review, thx for the vid! o7
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES FINALY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaek, your content is War Thunder's patrimony.
Like and excellent video as always.
BTW : the PFM KH-66 can be guided if its locked onto an enemy aircraft but still needs a direct hit as it doesnt have proxy fuse
Interesting, haven't tried that but the Fireflash guidance works the same way so it wouldn't surprise me
Ace combat hanger vibe? Subscribed.
fun fact: along with different flares on mig-21bis, there are different nose antennas)
I heard that ace combat music
Good video man, thanks for the informational.
J7G and J7M have some modernized replacement like AA AG weapons, PD radar and HMD, can't wait to fly them in WT
Thanks a lot for this tutorial. Been thinking about grinding the german one
Nah... You can't possibly hate the J7D more than the guys who made it in the game.
Gaijin's laughing all the way to the bank on that one...
AC7 menu music goes hard
Thank you for all the cool in-depth videos. I don’t play the game much anymore but they are still well done and entertaining
now this is awkward after seeing mig 21 and comrade
Personally i find the J-7D to je quite fun for air sim as its 10.7 there (meaning it gets a down tier bracket 2/8 days in the rotation) and it gets a useful HUD in the cockpit
It should however have more modern avionics like a better RWR and better radar, one bug thing that makes this radar more useless then the saphire radar is the lack of IFF which really makes identifying aircraft a probably
Especially how I fly the fishbed in sim, i basically i fly low with radar off, look for targets visually, ID with radar and engage if enemy
The mig 21 bison is the best one now having the best missiles but only 200 in the cannons
nice video !
MiG 21 SMT is an absolutely goated plane. So fun to fly
I remember when the F-13 was not foldered, fun times.
Still haven't spaded it.
Completely and utterly related to most of the video, but a small thing that bugs me is the Soviet flag, it's the 1936 version used during World War 2 which was replaced eventually in 1955 with a slightly different hammer and sickle design, about 4 years before the Mig-21 was introduced.
Again, insignificant nitpick, it's just something that always gets me when I see it.
I pulled the flags from the game files, I dont remember seeing a second version but I'll double check for next time
Sorry was jamming to Fort Grays Air Base Hangar theme. What did you say?
Jaek mig21 vid about a week after donut mig21 vid 😮
hell yeah jaekypoo uploaded 💦💦
4:05 i think you mean nose guided, since the Vikhrs on the Su-25T and Su-39 are beam-riding
Well, beam riding and nose guided I guess. The Su-17M2 has nose guided laser guided ATGMs.
F-22 wins against all of them I think
false, J-7E has no radar therefore F-22 stealth does not work against it. "A ninja who spent a lifetime training his stealth has no bearing on a blind man" - Sun Tzu i think
tremendous PLAAF victory once again
@@bombcat5517lmao😂😂
MiG-21 SMT my beloved 🥰
Maybe I ask too much, but would you ever plan to compare old planes (e. g. WW2 USA tech tree seems so messy to me because of incomplete classification by Gaijin and Army and Navy being mixed). Or even something about tanks (because I want to understand all of its designations, but they, as well as USA, had a "naming reform" leading to same planes having different names).
Great video!
For lower tier jets lacking flares, do you think it's worth bringing rockets as makeshift flares/decoys?
It's better than nothing
The j7e is so much better than all other mig-21's in performance in WT
I would also love to see the romanian MiG-21 LanceR for Italy
Maybe the IAI MiG-21-2000 for Israel too since I think the two are related
@@jaek_898 never heard of the MiG-21-2000 but they probably are related since the LanceR upgrade was done by an israeli company
The agms on the su-17m2 also guide by the nose, or at least they did when i used them yesterday.
IIRC those are laser guided and the laser is just a pod that's fixed forward, so they will set off LWS systems
@jaek_898 that makes sense, thanks.
I actually really like the J-7D, but I do think it's overtiered for what it is and either needs PL-5Cs or a drop to 10.7.
Please do one on spitfires. there is so many
bison is here
I will say for 9.7, R-3Rs arent exactly bad. Sure, they are very bad on paper, but the wide gimbal limit and decent acceleration of the missile allows you to 'lead' the missile at your targets which greatly improves its capability. I think its better than the AIM-7D in practise if you are good with them. Of course, with most missiles at this BR, it requires a fairly large degree of retardation on the enemies part to be effective.
I think they're best described as a gimmick
@@sparkling925 Nah they have some true effectiveness against enemies going very slow and in headons. I know what you mean tho, its very rare that a good player wont be able to defeat ur missile.
Obligatory comment to boost the video for the overlords, but what do you have in mind for the next video?
For plane families I want to do Mirages, F-104s, and A-4s, for missiles I need to do the minor nation missile video, and I need to finish my jets 101 video.
Will the next video be about all F-5s?
Maybe even tornadoes or harriers
Probably Mirages but I'm not sure yet, I want to remake the sparrow video and finish my jet guide as well as cover the june update, so I might not get around to doing another one of these plane family videos for a while
It is here :3
I wish i could still see your Sparrow video
Working on its replacement, I need to update it for 2024 and I think I can make it better than I did the first time 👍
@@jaek_898 can you make a video about the TAF jet man? I love TAF
Honestly the sps-k is kinda underrated, take the gun always. You can use your missiles as “chaff” most of the time in head on’s which works pretty well against 9L’s or really any all aspects in the 10.0 br range.
That's a lot of work to make a just work, especially one you paid money for
didn;t donutwithmoustage make a mig 21 family video too recently?
Yes but the two videos are quite different
@@jaek_898 I know, both are fun to watch :)
Mirage (and Kfir) or maybe Sabres next?
Mirages + Kfirs is going to be an absolute unit of a video to make
Can you do an All ATGMs compared?
Damn howd you find footage of me in the intro 🗿
Wait this is how i find out UK might be getting a fishbed????
So true
Was the PL-7 affected by the Magic buffs to?
Yea
mig 21 for gb, awkward...
JAek vid drop lfg man
I made the mistake of buying the j7d and I regret it so much
Can we get a video on the A4 and the variants in game? Or how to use the damn things
This before the r-77 mig 21 gets added
Always think J-7D should be 10.7
340 views 27 minutes after posting, bro flew
Channel fell off fr
What happened to the old "all aim 7 models compared" video? I can't see it anymore
Unlisted and working on its replacement
Ok! Good vid as always btw
If only there were new engines made mig 21s would endure forever
ahh yes, the 9.3 hellscape
It really could be 10.7, couldn't it
Nachos go well with vodka
oh neat im the 1000th like on the video
italian subtree, hungarian
could have sworn this was joob.
J-8B > J-7E fite me
Caught lacking
Posted 11 minutes ago
4:05 what about the vikhrs on the su25t?
You're right but I should have been more specific; I meant to say nose guided and beam riding. There's nose guided missiles that aren't beam riding (Su-17M2) and there's beam riding missiles that aren't nose guided (Su25T)
1:38 worst aim 9b? come on it's a little faster than aim 9b
It's a little slower, it has the same width and drag as the 9B but the R3S is a few kilos heavier initially so it has ever so slightly less delta V.
Where’s the sparrow video
Working on a new version right now
@@jaek_898 sweet, but there hasn’t been any new sparrows added to the game so what’s it gonna cover that ur last video didn’t also amazing content
@@F-14-W Couple reasons for remaking it. I wan't happy with the quality of the audio, I didn't include a section about why the 7F/M goes off to nowhere when you launch it, I can use sensor view now, etc
@@jaek_898 Any particular reason why Sparrows sometimes don't track? My guess would be "two circles" indicator being not matching missile seeker reception or it gets confused by multiple tracking/guiding radars?
@@Panocek It has to do with the way they have the seeker tuning/filtering set up, combined with the plane's radar. They mess with those values from time to time. As far as I understand it's caused by the seeker being overwhelmed by multiple signals (red circle is accurate but not necesssarily for the plane in question?), or the signal being filtered out somehow. So the ideal situation is a headon, no ground clutter, with only one target in front of you. If you do that they usually work. But if you do a side/rear aspect shot at longer range with multiple planes near your target there's a much higher chance of it not tracking. I just try to minimize the factors that "confuse" it, and not launch it if I think the chance of it going stupid are too high.
Mig21-3-300 is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BS