Fatal Flaws: The Assisted Death Debate (Euthanasia documentary) | Real Stories
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2023
- Should we be giving doctors the right to end the lives of others by euthanasia or assisted suicide?
Fatal Flaws: Legalizing Assisted Death is a thought-provoking journey through Europe and North America to find answers to this question.
Some 20 years after these laws were introduced, evensome of the most loyal supporters of assisted dyingare questioning where these laws are taking us.
The grandfather of euthanasia in the Netherlands, Dr. Boudewijn Chabot speaks of a ‘worrisome culture shift’ and that euthanasia is ‘getting out of hand’ - especially as it relates to patients with psychiatric issues.
The cost of ongoing treatment is putting pressure on an already fraught decision making process, and the many are questioning the motives of those tasked with making the decisions.
Meanwhile, the suicidal can simply ‘shop around’ until they find the decision they are looking for, or more worryingly - others can do the same for those they are tasked with caring for.
With powerful testimonies and expert opinion from both sides of the issue, Fatal Flaws: Legalizing Assisted Death uncovers how these highly disputed laws affect society over time.
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We as a society REALLY need to stop treating death as "the worst thing that can happen." It isn't even close to the worst thing that can happen to a person.
there is nothing after garbage, after worse things you are still alive
Excactly!
Exactly it’s inevitable!!!
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This is so true. I’ve never thought about it like that. It’s the suffering before death that is the worst.
This is another health topic that should be left in the hands of the individual. I am 65 years old, and I had a horrific childhood and a horrible 40+ marriage. In my early 30’s my health started getting bad- I had a total hysterectomy, my gallbladder was removed, and I found out I had Type II diabetes. I’ve had numerous mental health issues the worst being anxiety. I happened across Meditation, and for years I used it to control my anxiety, until at work in 2003 I was witness to a double murder suicide. I always took my job very seriously, so when that happened I worked 3-days straight with no sleep. It was a very traumatic experience for me, and it called forth a health concern I and my doctors knew nothing about- Fibromyalgia. For almost 2-years I could not walk and my whole body was wracked with unbearable pain.
I continue to live with whole-body pain that never goes away. I’m 65 years old now, and I’ve had esophageal cancer and now struggle with my breathing- only able to walk short distances. I am extremely tired- literally and mentally. I am ready to go, and no one understands unless you’ve experienced what I have. I believe I also have some autoimmune problems and now neuropathy too.
I’m tired of fighting to live- tired of fighting to breathe. I should have the say when I go- instead people want to drag it on with everything possible! I don’t, and right now I wear a bracelet that states DNR- don’t resuscitate me, because I’ve had enough of this life!
Travel to India.
@@manikyum travel to India for what exactly?
Do you know about something called the happiness index & where does India stand in that? It is unfair how euthanasia is illegal in India... one of the top most populated countries making people live without their will & keeping people suffer in every way possible... A country where government doesn't even spend 1% of it's GDP for the health care system... No basic sensitivity for mental health issues in the citizens... one of the most unsafe countries for women... You want someone to come from a first world country to a third world country to do what? Regret her decision?
Tiger heart I’m so very sorry you have gone thru all this trauma and now so much pain. Sending you love and hugs. The choice should be yours. I do think there needs to be strict guidelines in place though. I hope you have loved ones by you that you can discuss your feelings with . ❤❤❤
I would travel to Switzerland.
@@bonnytaylor7558 - Thank you for your kind words, but my family refuses to have anything to do with me. I’m not up to their standards- I can’t give anymore.
I watched my Mum suffer while dying from Ovarian Cancer and i truly wish that that Euthanasia was legal here in the UK. It should be based on a case by case situation.
Bit callous but ok
@@roonilwazlib3089 Not at all, she suffered and I wish that that could've been avoided.
I agree ! I watched 2 dear friends passed away from cancer ... it was long and they did suffer with terrible pain and both wanted to die. If it was a family pet nobody would have a problem doing the "human" thing .
Anyone who says it’s callous has never watched a loved one die a painful, slow death. I am so sorry that wasn’t an option for you all. I’m in the US and there are very few places that it’s legal here. Essentially Bc our country is so big, most states are allowed to vote on their own laws for such things. I hope things change in the future to allow humane deaths, especially for those already dying painful ones. It’s just cruel to expect someone to go through that kind of suffering. Sending hugs. I hope you are healing 🤍
Treble 6 followed by double 6… is there a “hidden” meaning to that @Charlotte66666?
I don’t agree with ‘euthanasia’ for human beings. I am a very strong believer in providing the best pain relief and comfort possible. Also with an ‘open door’ policy for loved ones to be there around the clock, should they choose.
The fact is that there is already a “medical decision” policy in the UK. This may mean the withdrawal of certain treatment, allowing the patient to pass naturally. But always ensuring that adequate pain relief is given.
Twenty years ago, when my elderly mother was in pain and slowly dying we were told that increasing her pain relief would hasten her death. And that is exactly what happened.
NO KILLING WARDS!
As a retired hospice nurse, I have seen suffering that is horrific! Obviously, this is not for everyone, but in some cases, people should have this choice rather than suffer until the very last breath.
@@dianecandoflamtaps9557 hey I’m wondering why is there a hospice tiktoker nurse claiming that the process of dying is “peaceful”, and normalising agonal breathing, death rattle etc. so is it peaceful or is death painful?
It took my stepfather 8 months to starve to death. His cancer wasn't killing him quickly enough, and he was such a big man that even once he stopped eating, it took him ages to die. My mothers last few memories of him were him begging to die. Making humans suffer in ways I'd never make a pet dog suffer is abhorrent. Death is inevitable, there's nothing wrong with accepting it and speeding it along when it's happening anyway.
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AGREED! Just disgraceful! We would never allow a pet to suffer in this way. I can’t imagine the trauma for the family listening someone beg to die! Xx
It's horrible watching someone you love beg for death. I feel for your family. It's the hardest thing to watch knowing that there is nothing you can do until the medical team decides palliative care with hospice is the only option left. Then at least they can receive pain medications and anxiety meds to make death easier.
That’s how my grandfather died too. It was horrendous to watch
ngl humans are usually viewed as wage earners and/or child bearers. its a limited view. not a whole lot of pleasure there.
I was born with a chronic illness and as someone who has had to go through so much surgery, poking, prodding, and pain, I think it should definitely be up to the individual who is ill. And if you try and talk them out of it because "you're going to miss them" then people are just being damn selfish. That's my opinion, it may not be everyone else's and that's okay.
I agree with you completely and I'm sorry to hear of your chronic illness. It is my hope that whatever it is that you have won't take you away from this planet before you have the chance to share as much of your wisdom about this topic as you possibly can.
When one is going through a agonizing health crisis that has no peaceful end, it's important for that person to devote 0% to the feelings of others that are contrary to the sufferer's position. They're not the one's experiencing that and the financial impacts that can go with it.
It's like abortion. As a male, I never concerned myself regarding the male perspective...we simply have no common frame of reference and never will therefore the woman's perspective must be the only perspective to take seriously, but that's just me.
@@moonytheloony6516 Well said. Thank you so much for your comment, and your obvious compassion for others. Thank you for bringing up the financial aspect as well. With chronic illness comes chronic medical bills that never go away even when the deductible is met. Thank you again for the kind words and understanding. Take care. ✌️💜
If they’re trying to talk you out then they can blame themselves as being a reason.
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You are very welcome.
i agree with u
Anybody who's against doctors just putting you to sleep are out of their mind. Have you ever seen somebody dying? Have you ever seen somebody suffering? Well I have and it's horrible for them to go through that, for the family to go through that. To be hooked up to machines it's just not a way to live it's not life. I'm all for it if there's absolutely no way back no matter what. If the person is lucid it should be up to them to decide
If the person has no way out and the patient does want to be let go , it should be up to the individual patient
I agree. It should be everyone's right to choose.
There have to be lots of safety measures in place to protect vulnerable people of course.
But if you're of sound mind and choose to alleviate to have help to ease your suffering, you should be allowed to.
It's immoral *not* to allow it imo
Exactly.
And the butchers should not "try" to talk anyone in to it.
Yes! I think it is the abuse that we need to be concerned about.
I’m more for doctors healing people than killing them
Hippocratic oath says first do no harm.
Isn't continuing a life of suffering doing harm to the sufferer?
That question has nothing to do with medically-enabled murder.
No
It is if you're forcing people to endure a life of suffering without their consent. The people calling this murder don't seem to think consent matters in their definition, because it isn't murder if a doctor helps me die when I consent to it.
Exactly suffering without, agreed - if you would like to support MAiD please lmk if there is a way can support
and not to mention how much more money hopspital makes!!!!
I'm a pss and had a client with Parkinsons do this. He was in assisted living but moved back home for his final week and spent it surrounded by friends, family, and tons of amazing food. I'm so glad he was able to pass in such a wonderful way before the disease processed any further.
A lot of commenters often talk about chronically ill people but no one mentions the psychiatric problems.
My wife recently died of cancer, she spent her last days in agony begging for it to be over,
We have assisted suicide in our country but doctors cannot bring up the topic, and the wait time is long enough she never made it that far
Of course there’s scope to abuse the system, but there is no ethical reason she should have wasted away like that
I'm so sorry. No one should be forced to suffer like that. It's inhumane.
What do u mean the doctors can't bring it up ?
@@heidiroy-boy a Dr here in Aus cannot suggest or mention assisted suicide, the topic has to be brought up by the patient before it can be discussed
the crackdown of pain medicine to chronic pain patients has made people decide to end their life. punishing chronic pain patients for other people getting high or overdosing is cruel.
I agree hole heartily. Iam a chronic pain patient and have been for over 10 years
I don’t really agree. Back in the day people had no pain medicine whatsoever except for herbs and almost nobody ended their own life. It’s something more than that.
@@agees924 back in the day the average life span was 40. Have you lived every day of your life every minute every second with terrible pain? If not you have no idea what it's like
@@juliamartin1962 Yes but that was largely due to poor hygiene and infection. Pain is not deadly. Long term chronic pain for decades might take a few years off your life due to chronic inflammation but pain itself is not deadly. It can sometimes indicate a bigger issue that is deadly
@@agees924 opium was available everywhere in the 1700s I can tell you don't have chronic pain. I hope you never do.
"Travelled 50000 miles and talked to people on both sides of the argument", incredibly biased work. For sure there needs to be very clearly defined and monitored but in the end it comes down to quality of life for the patient. The biggest concern of those opposed seems to be oversight, for a start I would separate the role healer and assisted death advocate, have specially trained individuals who work alongside the healers to listen to the patient make all paths available.
I am in my 50s, both my physical and mental health have been on the decline for many years, I am divorced, I have no social contacts and am unable to work. I am alone and refuse to become a burden on the few family I have. I would much prefer to say goodbye to everyone and leave peacefully, than be found by some stranger unexpectedly.
Agree, very biased work.
Your life has more value than this, I bet your family would tell you the same thing
Agreed. Within the first few minutes, it was obvious that the narrator already reached a decision and sought out examples that supported his position. When he did present an opposing opinion, his bias still showed in how his questions were worded or his commentary.
Agreed. Only watched 5 minutes and had to stop. "They killed/tried to kill my mother". Do you have any idea how strict the euthanasia law in the Netherlands is? It's so strict that if I do get diagnosed with Alzheimers I'm better off ending my own life in the early stage as it's definitely harder to be eligible as Alzheimer progresses (especially without family to speak up for you). This appears to be a very americanised documentary and I have no desire to watch in full. It's just like abortion: don't want it? Don't have it. But don't let your rigid beliefs stand in the way of my free will....
I agree. I have dementia at 38 and I have nothing to my name. At the moment I'm still cognizant. I don't want to leave my body for my aging parents and siblings to deal with, or to only get murdered by negligence in a nursing home. This was spot on from another video: "I'm a caregiver for my 86 year old mother with Alzheimer's. It just seems cruel to outlive your brain." Unfortunately, being given mercy here it needs to be terminal with 6 months. Anyways, to me it's not that I wouldn't want to burden the family I have left, it's more important that I don't end up contributing to them also becoming ill or losing their retirement, or simply the time they need to enjoy the rest of their lives. And for my siblings to have lives of their own means so much more to me bc I raised them when I was 12. All of that I think should be considered as well within the given context of the illness. And yes I want to say goodbye as me and for them to remember me before I become unpredictable and possibly violent or abusive, which can go both ways since caring for someone with dementia really rests on the caregiver in the end. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm absolutely terrified of suffering, and I don't mean in the biblical sense. Only in movies which is art do people suffer with dignity to serve as an example of life contrasted with death. My friend who's a doctor said it's about 90% of people die horribly and in agony while only 10% die in their sleep or of natural causes. Either way he made his point.
I have CRPS. 2 of the people I knew through a supper group went through with assisted suicide and I can’t blame them. It’s a horrible condition. If someone is suffering they have the right to choose.
The problem is everyone suffers. Suffering is normal life. By your reasoning, the only person who should be allowed to be alive without being pressured to die is some temporarily perfect 25-year-old white man. (Women would never be allowed to be alive without recrimination because we our bodies are too complicated to be "perfect")
I'm so sorry, Tammy. That sounds awful.
I would say everyone SHOULD have the right to choose, but, unfortunately, we don't have the right in most US states.
@@kell_checks_in do you think this is a fair answer to someone who is in chronic severe pain? Yes,life is hard for everyone but don’t minimise the real pain that some people are going through. I never knew pain until I saw my father die in 8 months since he was diagnosed with cancer. No one deserves a death like that.
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How can someone pressure someone to die? If your doctor keeps calling you pressurig you to die, block the number. Do you understand allowing someone to choose to die is not the same as forcing or pressuring.
We can all tolerate suffering to some degree. But does your suffering make you not want to live? And I don't mean just for a week or two, I mean consistently. Every day for months or years or decades. That type of suffering is what we are talking about.
If your suffersing does not make you want to die every single day, then you literally don't know what this discussion is about. Take a Motrin and enjoy your life.
My sister took advantage of Medical Assist In Dying on 7/20/22. So sad. She was on hospice at home for Crohn’s disease and medical malnutrition. Refused feeding tube and surgeries so had to be hospice ready in that case. Didn’t like how long it was taking and told me the date she was doing the MAID. It was heartbreaking being in another state. She was living for many years in CO. Rest in Peace. I have since lost my mom and dad all in less than 2 1/2 years. Blessings to all who go through grief 🙏🏻
I suffer from the same, and my body is in a terrible state even though I'm only in my 30's.
I'm not there yet (it's not even legal in my country - although I could save enough medication to be able to do it very quickly as I'm on so much), but maybe one day I will be at that point too?
I hope your sister didn't suffer too much and that she had lots of support as I can't imagine making a decision like that was easy.
Sorry for your recent losses 😔
@@Holly_Zena thank you wish you peace and less pain in your journey. 🙏🏻
I'm so sorry for your loss. You obviously miss her.
Hi, sorry for her suffering 😔💔❤️🩹 - how was she able to get this in Colorado if Crohn’s isn’t considered terminal? it’s only terminal with less than 6 months I thought that gets approved? Suffering from something intolerable myself
Cancer patients must be given the right to choose what they want!
We should be talking to those of us, like me who are in constant pain everyday. I have constant back and nerve pain. Everything I eat causes massive stomach and intestinal pain. I'm tired of hearing that it is a selfish act to want to be euthanized. To me, it's just as selfish to want someone to continue living this way. It's hard for people to understand because they aren't suffering this way. We are kinder to our animals by ending their suffering when they are chronically ill.
I’ve been an ER surgical RN for thirty years. Even though there have been some major medical advances; patients do suffer indescribable pain from diseases. Though we’re trained to help our patients get through their health crisis; many patients cannot be saved. Personally I don’t believe in euthanasia, but I definitely support any patient who wants to take full control of their terminal illness.
So how do you not believe in it?
@@enricopallazzo3244My Catholic faith is my first reason. I’m trained to save lives. I never want to see anyone suffer and die. Again, if you read my comment; I’d absolutely support any patient if they feel that euthanasia is their last option. I could never be the one to dispense the prescribed medication to end their life.
I have a question for you if you don't mind answering what's the difference between inoperable untreatable and terminal?
@@Jettgirl77arnp here, terminal is as much of a legal term as a medical one in that it attaches a timeline to anticipated death of an illness for which treatment has failed. A terminal diagnosis is necessary for entrance into certain end of life care and hospice programs, and by that standard “terminal” is largely accepted to mean that death is imminent and expected within approximately 6 months. That said, sometimes illness is unpredictable; Ive seen patients enter palliative care and die within hours or days, and I’ve had one patient who was on hospice for four years and was 102 years old. There are certain benefits to entering hospice and, while many patients would have been discharged, the patient’s age was such that it made no sense to force a discharge when, based on their age alone, death was then ALWAYS anticipated within 6 months to a year.
@@Jettgirl77 inoperable = disease that can't be removed by surgery.
Untreatable = disease that can't be treated, either by surgery, drugs or other interventions. Sometimes this will be because the disease has progressed to a point where it's no longer responding to treatment, sometimes it will be because it's a disease for which no treatment is yet available.
Terminal = the disease will likely result in a patient's death.
Saw my father suffer with mesothelioma, about the ugliest, horrific cancer; it grew through his chest, slowly crushing his windpipe, started exulcerating under his armpit….he died at home in an assisted suicide and I am truly grateful my country allows that!
Mouth cancer too which grows on your face that is also ugliest horrific cancer
I can’t watch as it’s too sensitive to me.
I worked in a palliative care unit, looked after and then watched die hundreds of patients. I’m confident a lot of them would have chosen euthanasia if they could. I probably would too if I end up their position.
Then again, with fully-funded end-of-life care, modern drugs and even mindfulness, might not most people die in peace?
People should be able to decide they don’t want to be here anymore if they don’t want to be. I understand the need to have constructive conversations about this topic, but people deserve to do what they want, not be stuck with pain and fear if they don’t want to.
God takes the pain and fear away! He has a plan and purpose for us all and He loves us. He heals
@@MapleFlowers28 no, he doesn’t. Tell that to all the cancer patients who die pleading with anyone and anything to have one more day with their families. If your god could heal them and chooses not to, he is a cruel being.
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You god has a plan?
So when a child is abused, raped and killed, hence spending his or her final moments terrified, what is the plan that relieves such an experience, eh?
What was "the plan" in Auschwitz? Hmm?
What was the plan at Sandyhook Elementary School or Virginia Tech or Las Vegas? ... or any random mass shooting that resulted in a lot of dead people? Enlighten me about this plan that you're proposing.
I don't believe in your god or any gods because all of you have failed to meet the burden of proof...however, what intrigues me is not only how you describe the character of your god, but the lack of morality your god is clearly missing and you are ok with worshiping that.
You likely wouldn't tolerate such inhumanity from a person but you make an exception for your god in which you're more than happy to explain away the horrible, that you can't explain and instead safely hide behind an unknown "plan".
I'm glad I don't think as you do. Then again, I'm skeptical that you are thinking at all.
What is the plan when a person is spending years slowly dying from ALS, becoming a prisoner in his or her own body while remaining 100% aware of what is happening? What's the plan for that?
You speak like an indoctrinated cult member willing to accept anything on behalf the of your very questionable god because you've been told to do so and not think for yourself.
@@MapleFlowers28did he have a plan for the 10 children boko harram burned at stake recently
I've had slow progressing bone marrow cancer and debilitating pain for a *very* long time. (Over a decade.)
I'm on horrible meds to help control my pain, but they don't always help.
If I get to the point where I'm finished fighting this awful disease, *nobody* will stop me from moving on.
*Nobody*
I understand the dangers of these laws being abused, but in cases like mine...
No doctor has the right to tell me what I can or can't do with my own life.
If it weren't for my grown son, I already would have made that choice a very long time ago.
I'm tired of being scared, and I'm tired of being in pain and being exhausted 24/7.
I stay for him. ❤
So sorry for your pain.. I'm in constant pain but I now refuse to take the horrid pain killers ...
I wish for some sort of comfort for you through your pain and agree that you have the right to decide when enough is enough for you. I admire your strength and love for your son.
Don't give up! God is with you and He loves you so much. God heals ❤️❤️❤️
@@MapleFlowers28How do you know God didn't plan it out for that exact outcome. Why pray against God's ruling?
As a patient, i hope to gave the choice of how my death will happen... Natural death is said to be painful, abd i don't want to feel more pain....
This documentary points out so clearly the need for people to have living wills so hospitals, doctors,and family will know the person's wishes. I have one after watching family go through end of life slow death.
My subject in this category is home hospice care. My father was dying at home. I was warned by the RN NOT to use the pain meds, typically given for relief of pain and anxiety, to assist him in a swifter death. I naively obeyed and soon regretted that decision. My father died a lingering, painful death. I can only say, I I pray that there is a much more compassionate, kind. and loving perspective on this subject today. Thank you.
Then why do we give them. You should have made that call. I work in hospice never heard such a thing from a rn
Anybody who is old and is suffering from something that they 100% cannot come back from and is stuck in a home or hospice or somewhere like that they don't want to be should have the choice to end their life. The way elderly are treated in America is horrible. Have any of you people ever been to a hospice ward?
The way that we treat the elderly up here in Canada is pretty bad, too. I used to live in a locked ward (passwords in and out) with people who have dementia (I was there because I have brain damage), and some of them were so bad that they couldn't even remember how to speak English anymore. It was pretty awful the way that we were being treated there. Just my personal experiences: 1. Got stabbed in the neck with a pencil by a man with dementia just simply because I walked past him in the hallway. 2. Didn't get to shower for 2 years (my hair was so matted that I had to cut it all off and get a special shampoo from my hair dresser). 3. Wasn't receiving any medication for my medical condition (Hashimoto's Thyroiditis). 4. Nurses stole 6 iPads from me because I was using them to record patients attacking each other. 5. Got strangled with my own necklace (that ended up breaking) by the same man that stabbed me.
The whole system is a f*cking mess, my dude. 😩
I escaped after almost 2 years of that by pulling the fire alarm.
If they arw treated horroble then you might want to look at the management. I worked in hospice. People where treated with dignity. And the reason why you are saying they do not want to be there or alive is because of the treatment that they recieved was horrible not their physical or mental stage. Think about it. Fix what is broken and it most certainly is not not the individuals that are in a home or hospice.
@@sabinemann8640 Yeah, I agree. It's generally the management creating bad rules/hostile work environments, and then nurses just going along with them in order to keep their job. I've spent the last 2.5 years in and out of hospitals, and there's only been 1 nurse who stood up for me as a patient. All of the other nurses mistreated me in order to receive a paycheck.
I've noticed that this is worse in younger nurses. They straight-up just openly mistreat people in order to get paid.
@@Hollyucinogen so sorry to hear that❤️
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Dont tell someone to continue living if they dont want to! Their life therefore their choice!
100% agree. I think if you’ve tried eveyrhing and nothing is gonna improve quality of life a person should be completely free to remove themselves. Euthanasia being illegal isn’t gonna stop anyone. It’s just gonna make unaliving more dangerous (like not doing it successfully and then endi my up in a permantly severely disabled state.
I agree 100% I wish I can get euthanasia i suffer everyday with constant anxiety symptoms and it’s never a ending battle I can’t sleep I can’t ever feel relaxed I just wanna go already 😢
@@JorgenFitnesz if you can't get assisted help, do you think you will end up doing it yourself?
@@californiadoll6273idk tbh bec I’m scared to do it for so many reasons I’m scared that I won’t succeed in the attempt and become even more screwed up I just wish there was a easy way to go peacefully euthanasia would bs my favorite way to go
@@californiadoll6273 i would be to scared In case I would fail the attempt I just wish I can get euthanasia
Suffering is suffering. Everyone should have access to a humane death.
Personal choice. I wish it was without govt involvement. Patient, Personal physician family only etc but still personal choice.
I understand there have to be some regulations in place but if you are an Adult, mentally stable and conscious ( or put in your will etc) ... Dying with some kind of Dignity , pain free, surrounded with love and peace should be granted to every Human Being... not scared ,alone, jumping off a bridge etc. Sad and wrong !
I think so too. And this would prevent unsuccessful attempts. There is no guarantee that if you try, you will die.
Again that does not include people with mentally illness.
@@sabinemann8640 again for the reading impaired... I said mentally stable!
@@LittlePieceOfHeaven.65 again insulting someone looks not good on anyone. And I made this comment as this is what this video is also about. The gouvernment is pushing for that. Where will it stop. They are even considering anyone that is just sick of life should be able to access it. Did you watch the whole video? Just wondering.
@@sabinemann8640 First of all you replied to "my post" . Did I ask for your thoughts ? NO ,I did not. But you are one of those people if you don't get your way and everybody agreeing with You , you throw a hissy fit ! Now Go away ! #nuffsaid
I have watched more than a few people die slow horrifically painful deaths. I believe that people should have the right to die with dignity if they should choose to
How did you see this? Are you a nurse or something?
Always always the patients views are the top priority and the decision for fight for life or end of life must be the patient s choice Carol N.I.
Brilliant. Thank you so much for this documentary!
my body my choice my mind my choice, not anyone elses in this position. its a right that should be available to all without an argument.
Stupid abortion argument and even more stupid euthanasia argument.
Quite right. To force someone to live by preventing them from accessing an effective suicide method is entrapment and slavery. We shouldn't be having this debate, because denying people the right to make this choice was an injustice that shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.
Psychological bad health should matter just as much. Especially people who have been going through psychiatrists for decades, TONS of antidepressants, PTSD,. I am an advocate for this. I'm 38 and have been on tons of meds and nothing works. So, 25-30 years from now in my mid 60-70s, if I'm still on meds living in mental hell...I want this qualification.
@@2012evolution I’ve been on antipsychotics and antidepressants nearly my whole life. I’ve had anger and resentment towards my mother for giving me this life. If it were legal I’d absolutely take that option. I’ve said “if I’ve gotta take a pill just to attempt to feel okay I’d rather take the whole bottle and never attempt again”
I've been addicted to alcohol, I let men abuse me sexually, I couldn't get off the couch for days because of my depression. In 2020, when I almost died of Covid, I gave my life to Christ. He healed me and took away my depression, addiction and anxiety. I'm not saying I know what you're going through or that life is perfect for me right now but I do know that He is the only one who can set you free.
I totally relate to the woman who lost her children. I am in a similar situation and long for the relief of death. That is the only thing which will end my suffering.
I agree it’s a pain that no one should go through
I agree I lost one child. If I lost my other daughter I wouldn’t have the will to live on. My live would not be happy all the joy would be gone.
Call on Jesus he will help you get through the pain and misery also there is always hospice
I feel like this after losing my grandma a couple years ago. She was my everything: my best friend, my rock, my purpose. She died unexpectedly at 68 and my life became virtually meaningless. I'm just waiting for my moment to come so that we can be reunited once again. Yes, I know she wouldn't want me to feel this way but she was the love of my life and the only person in this world who loved me unconditionally. I know I won't ever get over it.
This is 100% a personal choice. Left to each person. We have not gone too far because it is ONLY a personal choice.
A doctor that almost force euthanasia onto his patients, should not be allowed to practice
It’s the patients choice! Legal now in California…patient has to be able to self administer; drink 2 oz’s within 3 minutes, or be able to push the plunger into their feeding tube. Only ONE person can be present. It’s called MERCY MEDS. Costs $1,100 and no insurance will cover it. ( poor have to suffer!) It’s a blessing to know you have the choice, without breaking the law.
Y so costly..for poor can't offerd,give freely.
Its awful how the poor suffer, how someone with money can afford mercy but not the poor.
I donate to a fund for the poor to have access. I’m talking about terminal cancer patients. I don’t know about the rest.
Nobody "deserves" to live or die, we just do.
Most of the arguments against euthanasia are based on religious morals. Death isn't a form of divine punishment and life is highly overrated. I wouldn't hesitate to drink the cocktail, this world really sucks and is not going to get better anytime soon.
Of course, I'd gladly trade my life with someone who wants to live, but I can't, so ...
Same I would drink it in a nano second
Amen to that!!
You can tell even from the introduction that this is based on a religious worldview, when the presenter starts talking about human life being devalued and us becoming less afraid of death.
So are you saying that life is not worth living/a burden on the state and Better Off Dead?
The one about diabetes stood out to me whole heartedly, it's a terrible disease...especially if you can't get the meds you need to live...I know someone that fought it hard...he spent most if his time in the hospital or being sick he died young too.
And there lies the problem not being able to afford the meds. They should be free. So a life can be lived to the best of your cabability. That is what the gouvernment does. Hands out free drugs to addicts. Apparently to save their lives... please... it is poplulation control. In the gouvernment eyes i do not believe they have value. Repsectfully my opnion.
Diet... exercise... if he was young he could have helped himself come outta diabetes instead of taking a journey to be healthier he wanted to.die ? That's all kinds of backwards he didn't wanna live seems like but can't judge everyones case I know but damn damn
We are kinder to animals then we are to human beings. No one or no living creature should be made to suffer.
Sorry, but why are people here pushing for the killing of the elderly and disabled, BEFORE campaigning for decent, well-funded, end-of-life care? Or is it the cost to the state of such care that is the TRUE agenda here?
It always has been the plan.
It seems that our society exhibits a greater propensity for compassion towards animals, potentially stemming from the fact that animals hold no economic value to those who control the pharmaceutical industry. In contrast, prolonging human illnesses presents a lucrative opportunity for profit. Additionally, many individuals who base their lives on religious beliefs harbor a reverence for a higher power, and various interpretations of religious doctrines throughout history have often excluded animals from the same moral considerations extended to humans.
I tried to end my life at 19. I'm now 58. I can't count how many times I've tried again and again.
All of my family have turned away from me just as much as I have turned away from them.
I have nothing to lose and noone will know.
I don't like the way this UA-cam video went.
There's not a person on this earth that could STOP me from taking my life, but because I've buggered it up so many times, I've always wanted to go out on my terms.
Here in the UK, I'm connected with Dying with Dignity and have paperwork to do my own thing.
I really don't think anyone should even try to control someone else's life.
Do you feel this way due to mental health challenges?
@@oreakinpelu9036 yes
@@triciaw3064 what are your thoughts on hope?
It’s such a cruel heartless world I don’t want to be apart of It I can’t tolerate my anxiety anymore it’s pure torture I just want to feel nothing but bliss it’s sad how death is the only escape but I’m all for dying because I already feel dead right now just lingering here with no joy or quality
@@JorgenFitneszI wish you were not in so much pain. I also wish that there was help you could get. I don’t know what help or medical treatment you have tried and not judging as I don’t know. I hope you have or will exhaust all medical options before making your final decision. Sending you hugs and love. ❤so sorry your hurting 😢
I have worked with and for animals most of my life and we allow animals more humane, painless deaths than we do human beings. If a person wants to set up for a quiet and gentle assisted death for themselves, why should they not get it? I have my mother’s medical and financial power of attorney. She has already put into writing that she wants no life extending procedures. That is the best we can do for her now. She made these decisions shortly after my father’s fast passing and was completely lucid and able to make these decisions. Now she is suffering from Dementia and losing so much of her mind so fast. Dementia is not the easiest way to go. It is usually long and drawn out. I would rather my mother could be assisted before she has to shrivel up and die bedridden and insensible. I know she would prefer that as well. I prefer it for myself. So does my husband. If my mind is clear and I can still enjoy relationships, sure I will go on living. I have plenty of family to love, but to sink away into a dying brain? A living shell with a beating heart but no mind to engage the world around me? No thank you.
Yes, it should be made possible to ANYONE suffering. It is inhumane to allow such suffering. If you personally don't want to do that, I respect it. I know for a fact I am not going to suffer, and have my family have to watch me suffer, become a burden. There is peace in knowing YOU have the control.
RIP Aurelia Brouwers. Let’s hope the health care system can give more hope to those who need it the most in the future.
We should have the right to say , enough is enough , I suffered too much aleady , help me .....because I don't want to get in my car and have a frontal accident , I want to die quietly in my bed surrounded by my loved ones .
I do believe people have the right to d1e. And I really feel like the only people who don't think so are people who have never experienced true suffering. There are some things in life that hurt so badly and so constantly that there is no happiness that can possibly make up for it. It hurts so much that it permanently changes you. That's also what drives me nuts about those dystopian movies where people give up all emotions and it's always played as the protagonists are trying to give everyone their emotions back and are the heros. There is suffering in the world that is far worse, unimaginably worse, then the greatest happiness and joy that life can possibly bring. And if you don't understand that then you are a very very lucky person and I hope you never have to experience that type of suffering.
I don't see myself as pessimistic or depressing at all. I see myself as compassionate and empathetic. This type of suffering that goes bone deep exists far more often in the world than people think it does. And pretending like it doesn't exist doesn't change the reality. There are some people who overcome terrible things that are able to live happy lives sure. But there are just as many if not more who can't escape the suffering and their past. It haunts them. And I feel like those who can't live a happy life after unimaginable suffering deserve the right to choose to die and end their suffering
Yes.
I have Stage IV cancer and if a person on their own chooses to do such a thing I guess it's between them and their maker. I can understand the motivation My only objection is requiring another person to participate making the assistant in effect a murderer. I have deeply held religious beliefs so that is not an avenue I can take as my G_d chose the hour of my birth and will decide the moment I will die. Am I worried about the pain I face? I would be a liar if I said I wasn't but it's the choice I am making. I don't want some hospital saying the return on investment is better if I took assisted suicide. Sorry you have such a bad situation
What we all should concentrate on is " you matter" you have value" " you are not perfect but you are perfect the way you are" love yourself as nobody needs to love you if you have enough love for yourself.
I had my share of suffering in my life.. but never gave up and do no longer allow others or the past to rule my life. I am worth more than that. ❤
You have a very narrow view
Nobody has the right to tell a person they have to live....It's your life and you should be able to decide when you want to die ....
But who does it is key.
But has anyone, say a selfish and greedy relative, the right to suggest to granny that she is a burden and that it is time to go? Is not this the reason we retain legal protections?
no one forbids suicide. dont do it by the hands of others
I will never agree to be part of this. I don't think I could do this to myself. And, I would completely blame myself if I had a part in someone else's death like that.
AMAZING DOCUMENTARYYYYY THANK YOU
Excellent documentary. I'm on your side.
Excellent journalism and documentary - 10/10
This angers me so much.
I understand people who do not want assisted medical dying. The battle is NOT against them. The woman with the sweet young girl at the beggining she just needed to say "I am not interested" . She got offended but, she did not needed to go to tribunals, to public scrutiny, to moral debates with her family, to be signaled as a weirdo, to fight for help, sometimes in many kind of needs. i am happy both her and her's daughter story is a happy ending story, but sadly it is not the same for everyone.
If the rule was EVERYBODY has the right to ask for assisted medical dying, no doctor would be asking you that or giving you that information. There should be a medical office just for that, where dying patients can ask information as the most normal thing. People love life, they are not going to ask to die just because they have that option, but if someone is in a situation of health where life is not worth living for them, they should have the right to have medical help.
My mother just passed away some days ago. She suffered A LOT. Doctors had the duty to do whatever they could till the end and that ment a lot of SUFFERING for her. My mother was very christian. It was her believe to endure till the end. Nobody was against her will. After witnessing her awful way of dying, I am more and more convinced, I am not like my mother, I do no want to suffer like that. I wish when my time comes, if I will pass for healthy issues, I hope assisted suicide will be available in my country.
The girl didn't want to die. I am glad her mom respected that wish. It should be only up to the patients.
The girl still had the capacity to make decisions about things, and she wasn't in any pain she was in a wheelchair due to the disabilities she was born with, which never affected her quality of life fair play to the girls mother I think that it's disgusting how some countries treat disabled people and people with mental illnesses I'm so glad that euthanasia and assisted dying is illegal in the United Kingdom
It’s ludicrous to force suffering for the benefit of others because that’s what you are doing…
Why is it heartbreaking? Dying when you want to is not a bad thing. Dying, in many peoples minds, is just going on to heaven or somewhere else. A better place.
But Doctors should never be allowed to make that choice for anyone nor should they offer it or encourage it. There needs to be robust rules that we need to work out. Seems to me it's the Doctors that are making a mess of this new rules.
Sorry if you believe in heaven you go there when your time is up by your creator if you take your life.. you disregarded the mist presious gift you recieved from your creator.. so no going to heaven...
@@sabinemann8640 Where's the creator to stop the people's sufferings? Nowhere to be found by science. Heaven? It doesn't exist. The void awaits us all. It's a peaceful place of silence and darkness.
I think this was very well done. Forget about the person that criticized the title. They probably criticize a lot of things in their life. I’m a new subscriber and I really like your content and I appreciate your hard work
Thank you for this true Documentation
All this talk is about other people’s opinions, thoughts and view point, it is not about you it’s about the patient’s .
We ask patients if they want resuscitation, Organ donor , but can’t bring ourselves discuss through our final deathseuthanasia
No one likes to suffer. It is painful to no extent. But suffering in this world is inevitable. It’s a part of life. How can we encourage each other with hope when all we want is to imagine a perfect life without suffering when it doesn’t exist. I thank God for the people I trusted in my life during times of suffering. I am also grateful to have the freedom to exercise my faith in Jesus and the hope, love and peace He provides for me during dark times. It allows me to share the same hope with others and in turn gives me purpose.
Agree! ❤
I’ve been involved in all sorts of death. I’ve seen so much. I’ve sat with people over the day that people take to die, as a job. By choice, because (when there’s pain relief/sedation/nerve block/subcutaneous fluids & glucose). Really Good palliative care is underestimated.
Everyone is scared of pain. Everyone has a mental reaction to news of a chronic or terminal illness.
People here discuss those last few days, trust me, I had an awesome amount of pain, and the drugs are good. But in terminal illness we give diamorphine here (heroin).
But this isn’t about those last few days of death, because someone can literally put you to sleep, and not the dead sort. Doing ‘withdrawal’ of care & ‘comfortable’ is our euthanasia. Having a lethal injection rather than lots of heroin? Who cares.
But young people who cut themselves? Diabetes? Learning Disabilities? Can we not care and treat people better.
It’s cheaper to let someone kill themselves than to treat. Especially mental illness.
Ever been in horrific pain? I have. I lost everything and was agonisingly ill for years.
But guess what, I got through & have had amazing decades of life. I’m not stupid. I had the ability to kill myself.
I have short instances of mental illness occasionally. I Do Not Want To Die. But if you saw me in that small time period you may think my life isn’t worth living. I’m not on the planet. Goodness knows what someone else could decide for me. I have an Advance Directive. If I’m palliative pump me full of pain killers.
Have stand alone facilities, but NOT your treating doctor.
Never forget that suffering is inevitable.
Thank you for making this documentary ❤
Decision is not for the doctors or Family but for the patients...some people are in real pain for a long time and deserve mercy ...
Shame on the ppl who grasses in doctors for trying to help!!
I think we have to worry about the doctors that do not go by the law. And if you watched the whole video there are few of them.
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The Dr. shouldn't offer the euthenisia! If it's legal to their country please be sympathetic and wait for the patients to request not them Drs. Administered IT!
Very interesting documentary ❤❤❤
This story really touched my heart I’m glad she fought and her mom supports her hugs❤️❤️❤️
We have seen a lot of people allowed their parents to suffer excruciating cancer pain until they died! But when they got cancer and is suffering the same excruciating pain, they all wanted to be killed! That's the problem with many people! Their decision changes when they are already the ones who are experiencing it!
This has been one of the most thought provoking documentaries I’ve listened to in many years! Thank you for all your time & information. I will share this with all my contacts! God bless you and your loved ones!
In Queensland, Australia the doctor only administers the injection if you are unable to do it yourself. If a doctor refuses to approve you they have to refer you to another doctor (which applies pressure to the first doctor to approve).
You collect the syringe from the pharmacy and there’s no time limit to use it. Nor do you need the entire amount for it to work. The website says “it can be comforting just to know it’s there, even if you don’t choose to use it.” You don’t need a witness.
So there’s people with lethal injections laying around their homes that can be accessed by anyone who comes across them. Doesn’t take much imagination to understand the multiple risks and scenarios that could and will occur.
Given that everyday items can be used to end one's life if one is determined, the possibility of misuse doesn't seem like a compelling reason to make the drug unavailable for those who may need it. Perhaps something equivalent to a gun safe could be used as an added precaution.
The process in Canada is very similar. My brother had it in 2017.
I am fully in support of this. If one has decided that their terminal disease has gotten to the point to where they have had enough & they want it to end they should be allowed to request lethal medications to use when they want. They don't want anymore pain, suffering and burdening their family members. If they know the terminal end will be awful & they don't want it to get to that point & don't want their family having to go through seeing them like that, there's nothing wrong with taking a medication to go to sleep peacefully & not wake up ahead of time to avoid the horrible end. I know several people if they had known what their final weeks & days of their lives were going to be like, they would've chosen euthanasia instead. I hope & pray if I get in bad shape and dying of a terminal illness that this will be an option for me. This is NOT 🚫 SUICIDE!!!!!!!
Listening to this host immediately refute every single case is disturbingly dismissive and incompassionate.
People have the right to die with dignity,you are not killing people because they are already dying,we are only taking away their pain and helping them to die in a sweet way,not like a dog.
Couldn’t agree more
EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY
When my mum was still sound of mind, we spoke about her right to die. If she had the chance she wanted to choose to die and I support what ever her decision was to be. I am in Australia and where I live, unfortunately its still not available. My mum is now not sound of mind and will not have this option. Now she is bed bound, cant move, can't remember anything or hold a conversation and has chronic illnesses and pain. She is absolutely suffering and its really hard to watch and she could be like this for years.😢
Are you sad for your mom, or scared you may have to endure this some day? Life doesn't always go smoothly and painfree.
It seems many people missed the whole point of the video. This wasn't about elderly chronically, painfully ill. It was about doctors doing it without consent or pressuring people to do it. And extrapolating it to young people with depression who can be treated. Did you even watch the whole video?
Why did u delete my comment? I followed all the guidelines. I just saidI do believe people have the right to die. And I really feel like the only people who don't think so are people who have never experienced true suffering. There are some things in life that hurt so badly and so constantly that there is no happiness that can possibly make up for it. It hurts so much that it permanently changes you. That's also what drives me nuts about those dystopian movies where people give up all emotions and it's always played as the protagonists are trying to give everyone their emotions back and are the heros. There is suffering in the world that is far worse, unimaginably worse, then the greatest happiness and joy that life can possibly bring. And if you don't understand that then you are a very very lucky person and I hope you never have to experience that type of suffering.
I don't see myself as pessimistic or depressing at all. I see myself as compassionate and empathetic. This type of suffering that goes bone deep exists far more often in the world than people think it does. And pretending like it doesn't exist doesn't change the reality. There are some people who overcome terrible things that are able to live happy lives sure. But there are just as many if not more who can't escape the suffering and their past. It haunts them. And I feel like those who can't live a happy life after unimaginable suffering deserve the right to choose to die and end their suffering
Hear hear
This is an anti-euthanasia video... thats why. Bad journalism I say...there's no debat here, it'svery clear its against it. They should call the video "Anti Euthanasia". I am waiting for my comment to be deleted.. feels almost like sencuring...Russian or Korea-style...
This is chilling.
My grandfather was happy fo get signed up for in house care with hospice because he thought they were going to euthanize him like a pet. (He was 90 and in pain.)
Jokes on them because he died the day before in home care was to start
(90, ready, last meal was ice-cream and died feet from where he was born)
MY LIFE, MY SUFFERING, MY CHOICE. SIMPLE.
I'm all for assisted death. If people are suffering then they should be given the right to end their lives. It's also a mercy to end the lives of those suffering who cannot understand enough to give comprehensive consent. My son has Severe Autism, I would want him to have a pain free quick & easy death if the situation ever arose because there is no one to care for him & he requires full-time care & all that that implies.
A person who has lived their life should be able to choose death.
No one wants extended suffering.
Big money stands to profit from extending life in nursing homes.
Profit not compassion is the motivation.
Both my parents were ill the last years of their lives and
BOTH wanted the option to have a choice to stop suffering.
Dear mister reporter. I can assure you one thing. Should you ever get so unlucky to be attacked by some nasty type of cancer, your way of seeing this end of life treatment would completely change. I used to be a happy-go-lucky kind of guy, but that was only until I last year got tonsille cancer. One month later my kid brother comitted suiside, my girlfriend from the last 10 years left me, and on top of that I had to move out from my old apartment where I had been living for the last 20 years. Everything on top of each other! If I could leave this world I would be more than happy to do so, but I have 2 kids...........so I just can not die from them.
It's okay to put to sleep when it comes to our precious pets but not okay when it comes to us humans!
Why are you making it seem like it’s easily accessible and offered often? It’s not and it isn’t. There are huge hurdles and hoops, even for those with multiple chronic illnesses. If you’re going to make a documentary about such a huge topic, make sure it paints the whole picture. This doesn’t.
As the Netherlands has legal euthanasia, and as someone who has researched this topic for couple of years. Here, they have a very strict regulations but also evaluate case to case. For example, in the beginning that man in the wheelchair said that the doctor implied. In the Netherlands that’s illegal, no doctor is allowed to suggest the treatment and is always investigated whether the request is under the correct circumstances (and then more rules follow)
So I haven’t watched this in it’s entirety as it probably is already showing a bias, but I hope within this subject there is a lot of information and research available.
Exaclty, this video is not representing for how euthenasia is applied in my country, The Netherlands.
I believe that this is something that should not be demonitised. Leave it up to the people,for some, it is the right thing.
Thank you! The world needs more honest reporters like you😊
It is wrong to frame granting or facilitating a person's wish to die as "not worthy of life". Death is part of life as much as birth is a part of life.
Also, the story of an elderly lady not provided with intensive care is a whole different issue and nothing to do with assisted suicide. With covid especially, I thought everyone got used to the idea of prioritising and limits of intensive care.
We’ve become so removed from death that it’s easy to understand how symptoms can be so troubling for loved ones and misinterpreted as suffering. Like the death rattle as secretions can no longer be cleared because the cough reflex is gone. There are effective ways to treat individual symptoms using medications in a way that they can’t be used outside of hospice care. Death really is harder and much more distressing for the living. Unfortunately there is a lot of fear regarding opioid use. I know it sounds crazy but there have been so many family members that are conflicted with each other and the hospice, wanting to deny opioids when they are clearly beneficial. Why? They are worried about addiction. We need to have open and honest dialogue about death. It isn’t all pretty and peaceful like in movies as the body begins shutting down but it doesn’t mean there is suffering. The human body knows how to die and the order that it will happen. It’s why the earliest signs are a loss of appetite and thirst. Sure you can do tube feeding and IVs but it just fights the process and drags it out. So many see stopping fluids and tube feedings as cruel. They think the hospice just wants to starve them to death. It’s a form of life support that is no different from turning of a ventilator. Having meds that will end life on hand gives the dying some of the control that they are losing with every passing day. Most never take them. Hospice patients also have the option of deciding to be placed in a medically induced coma and remain unconscious until death.
We aren't asked to be brought into the world. We aught not have to ask to leave it.
A dear friend of mine had cancer in his jaw and tongue. After a year filled with rounds of chemotherapy, radiation, numerous operations he seemed to ge on the road to recovery. Th cancer came back with a vengance - and he was also diagnosed with leukemia. This was a mountain of a man, 6 feet 4, but he withered away. Then a feeding tube was put in his stomach. For months he suffered. On numerous occasions he asked his wife and I if we knew someone who could help him end his life. The pain was excruciating, even morphine did not help at that point. It was another 3 weeks of incredible suffering before he died. Unfortunately there is nothing in South Africa to assist dying with dignity.
Peole might have the right to die,but they also have the right to live.
I think we can all agree that lucid, terminally ill, horribly suffering people should have the choice. The problem is it won't just be those people, it will be mentally ill, homeless, addicts and more. Many people who still want to live will be forced down this road because there is no supports put in place to actually help them first. In Canada this is already happening.
I'd have to have complete faith in the doctor or judge who decided on my euthinasia but I have no
trust in any man to make that decision over my life be he doctor or judge or even priest no one is qualified to take someone else's life not least the state
EXACTLY. So long as they respect their duty to provide HONEST care, and don't try to control CHOICE, I believe in some cases, the choice may provide a more humane end.
as someone who has dealt with mental illness for more than 30 years, i dont think people that havent gone through it can understand how terrible it is, especially in this world were getting help for it is so difficult AND expensive and its so stigmatised, every day is a battle against yourself AND the world. RIP Aurelia i hope you found the peace you wanted!
They killed my mother in law because they kept having to bring her back and give her the help hospitals are supposed to give. She allowed them to go e her something “to help her rest” also. I was a state away and COVID ravished America at the time so we couldn’t even be there especially the nursing home took no visitors.
She should have had a dnr or a living will
I wish all these people who "care" enough to be against euthanasia contributed their efforts to work on good accessible methods to ease pain, to cure debilitating disease, to make these world a better place in any way.
There is nothing wrong in euthanasia. It is part of basic freedoms. There is nothing wrong in wanting to die in a painless manner - we all take painkillers throughout life, euthanasia is just an ultimate painkiller.
Agreed But it does not stop there. That is the point this video is trying to make. It is going so far that it has to be looked at. Some say this video is bias. Value of life. Caring not killing..
Believe the gospel and get saved repent judgment is coming
@@doublepickaxeyt3400 the gospel saying that Jesus Christ was the first documented suicider - He wanted to die?
This is exactly why it’s important to talk about this controversial subject.
Personally it’s not about the doctors personal belief, it’s about the patient being allowed to make personal choices. And of course that includes change of mind. For me personally being a very active person, had a good marriage now widowed had a very fulfilled life and feel the quality of life is so diminished that I cannot take care of my personal care then I would like a choice.