I asked AI to compose music in the style of Jacob Collier - it immediately went into an infinite feedback loop and my laptop became so hot I could fry my breakfast egg on it.
The first example in this video “Jacob Collier plays I, IV and V with a few bluesey/gospel embellishments” Cameron: He’s just playing random notes and planing major 7 chords Me: Wtf bro there was like 1 major 7 chord, no chord planing and all the chords were diatonic except for a single V/IV. Jacob Collier does not always = crazy modulations and crazy chords
Thank you! Literally the three chords of a 12 bar blues. He did the same thing in the last video where Jacob played 2-5-1s with tritone substitutions and he was like, paraphrasing, “okay so the idea is to just play random chords until you reach home.” This sort of makes me think that the stereotype of classical musicians not being able to hear chord changes must be true.
this guy has a tendency to hate on stuff he doesn't get. i remember some similar shit on a video about modes. very odd collier is overrated but this guy isn't in the same universe
I agree with what a lot of this guy is saying but I did think the same thing hahaha - it was very clear functional harmony, just moving quite fast. Not at all random
@@sebbo1496 When a Kid in his twenties is admired by Herbie Hancock and hired by Quincy Jones (for his musicianship) and people called him overrated makes me Wonder how The internet world is really strange.
I never realized how important it is to some people to unleash their resentment over the success of a remarkably singular artist who moves millions of people.
I don’t know, but I don’t really like him either. I think what bothers me about him is how quickly he goes over extremely complicated ideas. He might as well be speaking a foreign language. There’s just a vibe off of him that I get like he knows enough to BS really well and sound like he knows what he’s talking out more than you. I’m not saying that that’s what he believes, but it’s the vibe that I get off of Collier. I’m probably completely wrong but I still feel that way. 🤷♂️ He’s just trying to put his opinion out there, he’s analyzing everything Collier is saying, and really paying attention to him, even giving him credit where he agrees with him. I agree with him on most of what he’s saying. He even says that he’s just talking crap lol
One of my friends was in high school choir. She really hears harmony well. Any time I mention something that I've discovered (as in it's new to me) she says, "Of course!" Once I was talking excitedly about a video I watched from Johnny Piano (love him) showing which extensions should go with which chords. She read everything patiently, the replied back, "But you know you can just do that with any note right? You can just play whatever you want." Which I thought was so perfectly her personality and also so true and funny. This reminds me of that.
Regarding the whole "schools killing creativity" with composition assignments: I'm a teacher, and I've given out composition assignments; the reason we put all these limitations is we're testing that you know what all those things mean, and that you can follow instruction - which is pretty important for a working musician. For example: an assignment I gave to year 10 (14-15 yo) was something like: Compose a piece of music for orchestral intruments. Must contain piano and at least one string instrument. No more than 6 instruments AABA format A section is major, B section is minor No more than 2 minutes in length I made it explicitly clear that this assignment was not about creating your magnus opus: it's just an exercise to test that you know how to do these things, and that you can do them with a deadline. I see it as no different to being a chef and being asked to create a classic french omelette. Sure, maybe you love experimenting with Moroccan spices, Sudanese native fruits, and you're going to deep fry it - but that's not what the customer asked for.
It's deeper though. The tension between form and freedom is one of the dramas without which no artwork would be at all engaging. Storytelling is the grandfather of all the arts and these sorts of tensions are always part of the plot.. New while still satisfying the old, personal while also being universal, satisfying the assignment while totally doing something completely outside of or even contrary to it!
Yep. A music teacher I worked with called them prisons. But I heard Gavin Harrison put it best (paraphrasing here) "Put a drum fill here" does't give me much to work with. "Put a drum fill here that goes just over the last bar, mostly toms, and finishes on the china" is already giving me ideas of what to play.
this was brave considering how insane jacob coyer fans are and how many new viewers will have no understanding of your sense of humor or background with jazz.
I like Cameron's explanation of their final rendition of Amazing Grace. I agree that it sounded like Collier just messing around and trying stuff more than him expressing something, or even really having a true comprehension of what it was going to sound like. It really did sound like someone just noodling. At least that's what it sounded like to me.
@@nuberiffic Methinks he means that the "swing" feel is not what gives the blues/jazz/bebop phrasing its sound and color. When Bird plays straight 8th's it sounds like bebop, so the swing/shuffle feel is not the characteristic of bebop phrasing. The "whitest" is a somehow racist way of putting it, I guess. Not sure I fully undestood though :)
The undertone series is a real thing in the sense that they're all the notes that the played note is an overtone of It happens naturally too, if you get really drunk your voice might sound an octave lower next morning. Or an octave and a fifth if you didn't die getting that drunk
I think you’re way off base in saying “if I play a bunch of random chords and notes it sounds the same”. Maybe it does if you’re passively and superficially “hearing” something in the background, but if you’re really engaged and engrossed in the music then different complex harmonic patterns will evoke different complex emotions. I mean that’s the whole point. I’m not accusing you of not understanding, I’m just saying the way you’re making that point is not really intellectually-honest.
Herbie is a Bream tier god for jazz piano though, like you'd need to have someone like Andras Schiff for classical for it to be wrong to put him at level 5
With these videos, I consistently swing between extreme cringe at how infantilising it is for professonal musicians to pretend that Jacob is being insightful, to just appreciating how nice it probably is for people to engage with someone as enthusastic as Collier. He reminds me of Brian Cox (talking about space). He has that childlike wonder. I can imagine him "rediscovering" the C major chord and everyone declaring that they've now heard it in a new light. He has that sort of vibe. His performance with Herbie was definitely just noodling. Cynicism aside, I respect that this isn't his setup and that it's designed to propogate the idea that the boy wonder will have something to teach everyone.
1:53 one correction art the overtones, they rlly do occur in nature though the fundamental pitch is 99 percent of the time not going to be an exact pitch from 12 TET but like for example, an A that's sharp a few cents will still produce the same integer multiple overtones.
When there is no time to criticize other musicians, it means that everything is fine with your personal musical activity and you are in demand at the present time. Buddy, do music, and not hype at the expense of others' success. This is a more noble and noble occupation with an additional bonus blessing.
21:25 I feel you, i know perfectly what you mean. But in general jazz feels like that, like a long pleasant-to-ear practice/jam session. And yea, it might sound nice, especially as just background, it might require some technical and theorical knowledge (that as you say is nothing more, indeed maybe less, than postmodern classical music knowledge), but it will never truly interest me deeply or fire my passion for music. Not like some classical pieces do. There's not one single jazz song that can amaze as much as classical pieces do, it's not just a matter of taste. To prove this point, jazz can only be expressed in the form of short 'songs', the shortest, easiest, most popular musical structure. And the only jazz symphonies or jazzy chamber music pieces ever written, were written by classical, or classically trained, composers, that TRULY mastered the art of composing and have every tool available to write anything they please. Unlike jazz musicians that at their best moments can still only improvise over the same licks and ideas for whole careers Sorry jazz lovers thats how i feel cyaaaaaa
There is nothing wrong with what you said as it is your subjective opinion. Classical and jazz are simply different styles of music. I'm sure we could find someone in the world that would have the same feelings towards a particular style of music that might not be classical. I happen to like both styles however classical music is my foundation 🙏🏾
Let's make an experiment. Let's give Jacob 10 years to write a 5-minute-long instrumental composition, write it down, and see if it is really, really interesting and beautiful. So much that we'd like to hear it many more times and also enjoy hearing different interpretations of it. If he manages to do it, he has passed level one of the classical composition challenge and can now begin to dream of writing a symphony. Improvisation is great, but in the end we enjoy good music. Excellent music if we are lucky. Spontaneity is good, but it is not the most important. Farts are very spontaneous.
listen to Time to rest your weary head, Little Blue..there are lots of songs that show his writing style and kind of folk inclination. I do think that he sings covers better than his own compositions tho
Clearly, you haven't heard World O World, which is a contemporary classical choral piece and not instrumental, but it will absolutely stand the test of time. It has been performed to rapturous responses from live audiences (including one that contained me) and is already being performed at memorial services, funerals, and choir competitions. It's a 6-minute requiem that will become a staple for skilled choirs. He doesn't need ten years to do it; he did it when he was 24. Here is the recording session for the version on the Djesse Vol. 4 album, which has been nominated for Album of the Year at the Grammys. ua-cam.com/video/DUS1wnA0SQM/v-deo.htmlsi=99b4zNtbLU_88m4O
@@laucha490 most beautiful and loved songs are simple with predictable chord progressions, i mentioned those because you talked about his spontaneity and improvisation, which more often that not turn into cluster chords and spicy stuff :) but i mean his idol is stevie wonder which i think does a good job at creating beautiful “familiar” music while not overdoing it, but still making it sound unique and keeping the creativity flowing you know
@@davidkelly1507 hey man I'm not criticizing you, we all need to make a living. If you can do it by grifting off of Jacob then go for it. I'm sure he wouldn't even care
15:57 God damnit Gilfoyle 🤣 You’re attacking a straw man I think. It may be a straw man worth attacking, I just don’t think he was saying the rules are pointless or they destroy your creativity. I think he was just geeking out about an unconventional harmonic choice.
I can't deny how smart Jacob Collier is, but I don't enjoy his music. He's the equivalent of 20th century classical composer who prioritize innovation/intellect over emotional effectiveness. For example Bartok's music never made me cry, but Chopin's could easily do. I'm not hating on him though, as I understand that it's simply the current zeitgeist for Jazz musician to aim for complexity.
I cried the first I listen his version of Hallelujah, and definitely I have goosebumps every time I listen the Concerto per Orquestra from Bartok...these are just MY examples, to me it is clear than complexity does not correlate necessarilly with musicality, but that doesn't mean that you cannot find intense emotions in over-intellectually produced art, you just need to find the thing that feels right.
That's a grotesque caricature of modern classical as well and the crying part is just sad. Bartok is exciting, snoozy Chopin not so much, although he probably was more so 100 years ago. But even then Beethoven and Wagner were exciting and still are. We and the world have moved on and grown.
Metal goes through that phase every so often to, where technical complexity and skill is prioritized almost to the point where the emotional effectiveness, as you called it (which I like, so I'm stealing), begins to suffer.
@@bryanleggo3489 The crying part is just for emphasizing the emotional effect on listener lol. Don't get me wrong, I love Bartok's music. I listened to almost all of his composition, they're very exciting indeed. Although most of the times what I felt was confusion and horror, especially when listening to his quartets. On the flip side, I really enjoy his concertos (be it piano, violin, viola, orchestra).
you can actually "Naturally" achieve the undertone series with just a tuning fork and a piece of paper. so i would argue, that its not that much less "natural" than the overtone series.
it's crazy to see so many people getting mad here when most of them don't even understand what Jacob is talking about, it's like saying you can't criticize Joe, he's president and you're not
Is anyone else here really into hentai? I've been reading some biographies of Django and it's hard not to feel that someone as creative and full of life and humor as him wouldn't have been a huge fan, if I had a time machine I'd definitely use it to go back in time and show him some of my favorite gifs and Manga series after a Paris show in the late 40s if I had one, really think it could have reinvigorated his creativity and inspired him to invent what is now considered "modern" harmony instead of half heartedly exploring the musical dead end that bebop turned out to be
In my mind, the ranking of the musicians or their musicianship in the original video is based on Jacob Collier's own musical approach, who is a student of Herbie Hancock - no wonder he would put Herbie in the top spot and give him his own keyboard. I would have loved to see the professional pianist get a piano too, but this was Jacob's showcase, and I suppose he needed a good foil more than a collaborator in the Level 4 spot.
It's fine until he sings imo. Then his face does that thing where his jaw detaches and it looks like he's going to eat an entire melon while singing "ooooh"
wow, I really liked your take on rules limiting creativity, never thought of it that way. You can get a framework to learn the basics and the rules but that doesn't stop you from doing your own stuff though. Very good video thank you
Collier seems a bit immature with his attitude. It's a bit shallow and technical. Some of his arrangents are kind of gimmicky, out of touch with or unrelated to the song. It reminds me of Roland Barthe's essay about the art of singing, where he talks about the artist obstructing the art.
1:42 Oh, but it does happen in all kinds of wave phenomena in nature. A lot. Perhaps the most well known example are the vibration patterns in the Sun’s atmosphere.
enjoyed the video! I don't think it was too cynical, felt like it was a pretty level. Hard to even fault collier in these videos when productions set up these ridiculous situations to begin with because they know he brings in clicks. I mean here I am at your video now haha
Trust me when I tell you, there's nothing that professional pianist could teach Jacob. With respect. I'm sure he's great. Jacob is legit genius VIRTUOSO. He definitely knows and understands classical music at the highest level. Look into his family history. Jacob doesn't need lessons from anyone, when it comes to theory.
I can't remember which composer it was, but they were a post war composer like Penderecki. Anyway, when people went to study with him, he pretty much just made them learn counterpoint because without extensive knowledge of the rules you just won't have control over how your music will sound. I know this all too well, because I don't know the rules and I can never make music sound the way I want it to. Just to back up what you said about the rules being oppressive. I think not knowing the rules are waaay more oppressive. Like I know a lot of scales, I practice scales a lot, so I can get lots of flavors, but I don't know enough about harmony and chord function to really have control over my writing.
If you think I'm economic terms how nature balances all natural resources to achieve equilibrium then we see harmony, that'd be an aside to harmony produced by animals, birds and the like.
I don’t know man, I’m just a hobbyist at best, but at 4:20 I heard nothing random what Jacob played and at 4:35 I heard nothing what Jacob played before. But then again, if this is parody of someone reacts video then: Haha, comedy gold. Cheers from Finland!
Did you make that same stupid remark somewhere else or did you just copy it from the original dummy I first saw saying it? I used to be suckered by ideas like that - that one must suffer for their art. It sounds like you're just jealous that he's a happy guy who's had a relatively privileged life so you just won't deal with the genius of his music. Or how heartfelt and soulful it often is if you see the many reaction videos of people with goosebumps and crying. BTW, Bach and Mozart were privileged and didn't suffer much. Beethoven I'm not sure. But it didn't hold them back, did it?
Yeah I caught that in post😅 I meant nord, I was glad to find that Korg is at least an actual brand. I haven’t thought about that kind of gear in awhile so it’s not fresh in my mind
20:48 I do this a lot. Freeform improv/impromptu. My keyboard friend gets upset because it usually comes out in the key of E ultimately, so I have been playing in flats lately which is harder than most people think for guitar players
Play the 6th on the 5th. No seventh chords for the I chord just major 6ths and play the major 7ths when you want tension but really that major 7 note sounds best in a dorian chord to resolve to something. The original bebop players were trying to emulate the composers like Bach and the goal was to be able to improvise peices on the spot. The part where it became jazz was the improv, syncopation and just generally ryhthm. Harmony is almost scientific or devine so it is kind of the same in all music but the ryhthm is what sets music genres apart the most, imo.
ANd you use tiresome cliches rather than address their comments or face the reality of his talents. Are you actually pretending you aren't "triggered" by him in ways that have little to do with the music itself? LOL! There's river in Egypt..
@@bryanleggo3489 Isn't there a law that if you critise someone's writing you'll make a mistake yourself? "There's river in Egypt.." I did address a couple comments but they don't timestamp and don't make a real argument. Perhaps they have valid points but aren't able to articulate it
@@jamesalexander958 Don't get your comment. Are you implying someone else said "There's a river in Egypt" that I should have credited? I've heard dozens of people make the joke about Denial = The Nile and doubt it could be traced back to one person. I was only referring to your use of the word "triggered" which is ironic given all the comments here that are people reacting reflexively with shallow snarky cheap shots aimed at JC. That sounds like being triggered to me.
It's even more simple. Look at Barry Harris. The 4 notes of C dim is a family of major chords. So if your coming home to C you can get there from Eb which is the "negative" approach. How you do that is up to you and the musical tastes you have. But typically, if you have iii Vi ii V I which is coming down in 5ths/4ths instead you go up from the 4th of Eb which is Ab. So Ab Eb Bb f. So it's the same amount of changes to get back to C but instead you resolve from F minor to C instead of G to C its that easy, collier makes it more complicated.
There are no pure single frequencies. The sine wave is one single frequency but it is produced electronically. The nearest thing in nature would be a flute or a recorder.
@nigelhaywood9753 you sent me down a pure tone rabbit hole, thank you. It's so cool how we're trying to play specific notes yet they can never be 'perfect' and it's the imperfections which actually make sounds interesting 🤯
It should be pointed out that the piano strings famously do not produce the overtone series. They have to be tuned to their slightly out of tune harmonics so that it doesn't sound like a trashed saloon piano. And given that pianos are not tuned to any form of just intonation, talking about the overtone and undertone series seems really irrelevent to any compositional techniques on the piano.
Bro is just hating on somebody who actually contributes to the arena of music ideas. Imagine herbie going to Jacob's practice and actually making music and this guy just hates in his mom's basement
6Fun whacky discussion. Here's how Jacob's right (and I don't get why he's a big deal) attitude, confidence is the whole deal whether it's the snooty classical attitude or the breezy jacob attitude or the jazz or heavy metal attitude etc. Music is always seeking an available instrument through which it can express. 3 kinds of musician 1plays at music 2plays the music 3is played by the music (you know, mastery) or so says Fripp...
At 12:50 you answer your own question (viz. what's the difference between what he's doing and random chords). They are not random because they have function or voice-leading. Someone who has never heard a tritone sub might think the same thing and they would be just as wrong. Also just because you can technically do anything doesn't mean that everything will sound equally good. I do realise a lot of what you say is tongue-in-cheek though.
Thanks, my main goal for these reaction videos is just to make something funny. Some people like it, some people hate it, but it definitely gets a reaction either way so I keep making them. My other way less popular videos are dedicated to answering community questions about practicing classical guitar (something I do know a lot about) and showing my practice
@@Sorhands I see the humour and I appreciate your skills as a classical guitarist. I suppose this is pitched to classical folks and jazzers like me get a but triggered. That said labelling clearly functional harmony as random chords doesn't help the perception of jazz.
3:14 I'd disagree, subharmonics naturally exist and they happend to follow the exact patern as harmonics above. Mostly done by voices. It's very common in beatboxing community, in order to achieve massive sounding bass, even with a tenor sounding voice. So why would you think it's made up? It's not a hate comment I'm genuinely interested. 😊
The undertone series can be partially recreated through forcing the vibrating medium to skip vibrations in a periodic way, but you don't produce the series, but one or two notes of the series: octave and a fourth. The undertone series is not a natural phenomenon of tone and timbre production outside of some sort of mechanical intervention, usually human. The overtone series is a natural phenomenon, but still requires special conditions to produce simple series of harmonics rather than the normal rich cacophony of inharmonicities in most timbres. Undertones are really things we kind of invented rather than discovered in nature.
I think you actually have a knack for improvisation. Maybe try going in a Ralph Townerish direction in the spirit of breaking down the wall between classical and jazz?
I think the problem with your opinion is; when you try to "play random notes" and point out that the chaos that forms in reharmonization is easy to improvise just by adding notes. The problem is that when you say try it doesn't make harmonious sense. You played random notes and it didn't sound groovy like you say. I also know that groovy is not the word. Literal Jacob plays with the textures of each harmonic function. Jacob is not a magician and what he plays is not magic. It's called assimilation. There are literally reharmonization techniques that you shove up your ass when you say it's pretentious. You are afraid of not understanding what Jacob does, detracting from him. It just feels like you're envious of him.
Oh my god... you are literally crazy to say jacob is playing random notes when he plays straight up diatonic harmony. Ok you know that all these theorical concepts jacob talks about work, but jacob knows how and why they work when you do not and I bet you already know this. But i don't understand your idea of jacob collier = more notes, more chords... when it's literally a sought-after fusion of multiple styles and mainly jazz and it works, my ears as a musician is hella sensitive to jacob's stuff and it's because he's to me one of the only musicians that truly mean what he plays cuz he knows, everything is soulfully thought through
I get this is just a humourous video, not really intending to spread any hate to the artist and stuff. I just think one perspective that is very lost on people is to separate the artist from the art. I really don't like Jacob Collier NEW music (although i really love the old Acapella stuff), but that doesn't really mean he is a dumb individual, doesn't know what he's talking about, or he's just overall a bad artist, and i think people seem to think the opposite: bc his (new) music can be pretty shallow, he is just overall a mediocre musician. I think there was nothing wrong with his explanations in that video, and neither with his playing, if people think that adding a 9 and a 6 on a 1 chord is random notes (or adding extensions on chords in general), i think it just shows an overall lack of knowledge on jazz music, and there's nothing wrong with that, just doesn't mean it's wrong; in the case of the video per say, i didn't see any random notes, every extension seem to be following some logic in traditional jazz harmony. There's lot's of crazier stuff with, for exemple, chick corea and hiromi duet, or pretty much every herbie Hancock tune. And even if some of it is to be random, there is no real problem with that, even random notes and just on the moment ideas splashed out can be really expressive and beautiful. Anyways, i really appreciate both worlds of jazz and classical music, as a jazz pianist and aspiring classical musician, and i can understand some of the hate, i just think most of it is misdirected at the person instead of the art. If this serves for anything, if you want to hear jacob on his greatest, i would check some of his Acapella tracks when his was younger, something like "You and I". I think it's something quite unique, and I'm just sad that he sort of lost his sound to become something like a caricature of music in a sense
Jacob is actually really nice IRL, I randomly bumped into him once in a music store and he was super down to earth and asked a lot of questions about what kind of music I was into and seemed very interested in what little ol me had to say, won't name names but was a huge difference between most of the "famous" classical guitarists I've encountered (David Russell being a massive very nice exception!) who talk to most of us plebs like something they found on the bottom of their shoe and will just abruptly turn to talk to someone else mid conversation like you're nothing, worst celebs of course are pornstars, can't tell you how many times I've spotted a favorite actress at a random indy record or secondhand vintage store and can't help myself from nearly screaming and aspergers ranting about what an amazing performer she is and list my top 10 scenes and why etc. and they always just end up making that face women make and "have to go" though to be fair at least a few times I probably mistook a random civilian woman for one of my top 50 stars, especially when I just woke up from an 18 hour sesh on the hub lol, but in the end it's just more motivation to finally master the Concerto De Aranjuez and do a version with a local string/flute quintet that gets 500k views on youtube after going viral on reddit and now I have women approaching me for once lol
Really? I've met some top classical guitarists (no, not Segovia, Bream or Williams) and NEVER gotten disrespect. I've played open mics with far more experienced guitarists and NEVER been in a situation more supportive. Of course this is in the context of a guitar society, so it may pre-select for the nicer, more social guitarists. (I've never met David Russell either, but it's not surprise to me that he's a nice guy).
Who’s to say this pretty much unknown classical pianist is below Herbie Hancock? You mean the guy that contributed to some of the most important albums of the past 100 years AND defined the sound of a few decades? You’re right. That’s the same as being very good at playing Bach. Which Herbie can also do. This guy is a clown.
Undertone series. It's too much. Any number also contains its divisor. So, of courses It's possible, but is it timbre or just making a different fundamental? Id love to hear you do a whole video!
13:50 Gradus ad Parnassum.....not Parnassium....just sayin'.🙂 The reason nothing sounds bad on piano is because the machine makes all the sound for the player. The player only has to apply a force to the key. (You can literally drop a stone on the key.)
Do you really need to know the specifics of the overtone series to write good music? I'm hoping that when I start composing I just naturally do a lot of cool advanced songwriting and harmonic tricks naturally because of my great ear and intuition like what the beatles did and Paul was all "I heard me uncle play that chord all the time on the piano at Christmas parties" I really just want to be good enough to appeal to milfs as like a sensitive jazzy man whose skilled hands they hope translate to the bedroom and maybe get on local morning television as a "beloved local guitarist" type who always seems to have gorgeous women around but like in a bachelor way, don't really want to be a swinger or anything though, more like how when you read a biography of some kinda dorky Dabe Brubeck looking clean cut jazz guy from the 50s but are shocked by all the crazy sex stories with women described as "bombshells" etc.
there is a difference between what jacob did to amazing grace and "random notes", go study some jazz, go study some gospel music from the black american baptist church, go study the blues your take is very shallow and very indicative of a classical mindset, which is extreeeemely limiting to the ears.
1:46 Do you even.. I mean... wtf? No. The most random 💩 is constantly happening all the time and makes all kinds of noise. Harsh wind at the beach has a clearly defined pitch within average human hearing range, add some trees and whatnot and you'll even have a chord. Nature is full of sounds. Friggin mosquitos man. I hate em but they do have their naggy little signature tune going on, that is way too catchy for their own good. The more I think about it, the more I feel like people take psychedelics to experience the most basic things in life. Cause when I read that back, stuff sounds like your average LSD/shroom story ...but that's just an average day to me.
You are so far off...further more Jacob does not pretend to be a genius he just explains his look at music. You are entitled to your opinion but the constant laughing as if he is some dumb ass looks kinda childish. In rhe end Jacob wasn't classical trained. And you know, if everybody acts like you are a genius, you might think you are. And about your classical educated players, just because someone has studied more or older doesn't mean they are better...I have been playing and studying guitar for about 40 years so I should be better than anyone who played less? And I am not even that big of a fan of Jacob, but you did make me feel like he needed a little defending.
I definitely agree with your last statement, there’s way too much hate for Jacob in this comment section. I was screwing around here but I do massively respect him. (And unlike a lot of people here I do enjoy his music)
I asked AI to compose music in the style of Jacob Collier - it immediately went into an infinite feedback loop and my laptop became so hot I could fry my breakfast egg on it.
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The first example in this video
“Jacob Collier plays I, IV and V with a few bluesey/gospel embellishments”
Cameron: He’s just playing random notes and planing major 7 chords
Me: Wtf bro there was like 1 major 7 chord, no chord planing and all the chords were diatonic except for a single V/IV.
Jacob Collier does not always = crazy modulations and crazy chords
Thank you! Literally the three chords of a 12 bar blues. He did the same thing in the last video where Jacob played 2-5-1s with tritone substitutions and he was like, paraphrasing, “okay so the idea is to just play random chords until you reach home.” This sort of makes me think that the stereotype of classical musicians not being able to hear chord changes must be true.
this guy has a tendency to hate on stuff he doesn't get. i remember some similar shit on a video about modes. very odd
collier is overrated but this guy isn't in the same universe
I agree with what a lot of this guy is saying but I did think the same thing hahaha - it was very clear functional harmony, just moving quite fast. Not at all random
@@sebbo1496 When a Kid in his twenties is admired by Herbie Hancock and hired by Quincy Jones (for his musicianship) and people called him overrated makes me Wonder how The internet world is really strange.
I never realized how important it is to some people to unleash their resentment over the success of a remarkably singular artist who moves millions of people.
It's absolutely pathetic!
Agreed...I don't get it. Literally... I'm not nearly talented or smart enough to articulate what someone like collier is doing wrong
I don’t know, but I don’t really like him either. I think what bothers me about him is how quickly he goes over extremely complicated ideas. He might as well be speaking a foreign language. There’s just a vibe off of him that I get like he knows enough to BS really well and sound like he knows what he’s talking out more than you. I’m not saying that that’s what he believes, but it’s the vibe that I get off of Collier. I’m probably completely wrong but I still feel that way. 🤷♂️ He’s just trying to put his opinion out there, he’s analyzing everything Collier is saying, and really paying attention to him, even giving him credit where he agrees with him. I agree with him on most of what he’s saying. He even says that he’s just talking crap lol
One of my friends was in high school choir. She really hears harmony well. Any time I mention something that I've discovered (as in it's new to me) she says, "Of course!" Once I was talking excitedly about a video I watched from Johnny Piano (love him) showing which extensions should go with which chords. She read everything patiently, the replied back, "But you know you can just do that with any note right? You can just play whatever you want." Which I thought was so perfectly her personality and also so true and funny. This reminds me of that.
Regarding the whole "schools killing creativity" with composition assignments:
I'm a teacher, and I've given out composition assignments; the reason we put all these limitations is we're testing that you know what all those things mean, and that you can follow instruction - which is pretty important for a working musician.
For example: an assignment I gave to year 10 (14-15 yo) was something like:
Compose a piece of music for orchestral intruments.
Must contain piano and at least one string instrument.
No more than 6 instruments
AABA format
A section is major, B section is minor
No more than 2 minutes in length
I made it explicitly clear that this assignment was not about creating your magnus opus: it's just an exercise to test that you know how to do these things, and that you can do them with a deadline.
I see it as no different to being a chef and being asked to create a classic french omelette.
Sure, maybe you love experimenting with Moroccan spices, Sudanese native fruits, and you're going to deep fry it - but that's not what the customer asked for.
;) magnum opus
It's deeper though. The tension between form and freedom is one of the dramas without which no artwork would be at all engaging. Storytelling is the grandfather of all the arts and these sorts of tensions are always part of the plot.. New while still satisfying the old, personal while also being universal, satisfying the assignment while totally doing something completely outside of or even contrary to it!
I wish I had a teacher like you
Constraints generate creativity.
Yep. A music teacher I worked with called them prisons.
But I heard Gavin Harrison put it best (paraphrasing here)
"Put a drum fill here" does't give me much to work with.
"Put a drum fill here that goes just over the last bar, mostly toms, and finishes on the china" is already giving me ideas of what to play.
Very true, yet It Is an obscure concept that almost no musician considers
this was brave considering how insane jacob coyer fans are and how many new viewers will have no understanding of your sense of humor or background with jazz.
Yeah😅 the heat isn’t nearly as bad as marcin though which is interesting
I like Cameron's explanation of their final rendition of Amazing Grace. I agree that it sounded like Collier just messing around and trying stuff more than him expressing something, or even really having a true comprehension of what it was going to sound like. It really did sound like someone just noodling. At least that's what it sounded like to me.
14:49 that phrasing was the whitest i've ever heard
You have the whitest name I’ve ever heard
WHat do you mean?
@@nuberiffic Methinks he means that the "swing" feel is not what gives the blues/jazz/bebop phrasing its sound and color. When Bird plays straight 8th's it sounds like bebop, so the swing/shuffle feel is not the characteristic of bebop phrasing.
The "whitest" is a somehow racist way of putting it, I guess.
Not sure I fully undestood though :)
@gedeonducloitre-delavarenn8106 yeah, all I was getting was the racism haha
LOL so white it claps on the "1" and the "3" 😅 (I'm kidding)
you have a criminally underrated channel. Informative, humorous and you got skills.
Hey thank you! I appreciate it😄
I actually agree with this. Deserves way more subs/views
not a friend of the channnel detected
You are satirising my idol, therefore I proclaim that your mother is interested in eros type relationships with other females. You lose.
This one cuts the deepest 😓
@@Sorhands Like scissors?
The undertone series is a real thing in the sense that they're all the notes that the played note is an overtone of
It happens naturally too, if you get really drunk your voice might sound an octave lower next morning. Or an octave and a fifth if you didn't die getting that drunk
No ones ready to hear about the sidetone series
@nuberiffic i am. Explain
@@ediliinamaa6528 well, basically:
Instead of going above or below the root note - you go sideways
@@nuberiffic thanks that makes sense now
@@nuberifficMiddle-out compression? Is that you, Richard Hendricks?
I think you’re way off base in saying “if I play a bunch of random chords and notes it sounds the same”. Maybe it does if you’re passively and superficially “hearing” something in the background, but if you’re really engaged and engrossed in the music then different complex harmonic patterns will evoke different complex emotions. I mean that’s the whole point. I’m not accusing you of not understanding, I’m just saying the way you’re making that point is not really intellectually-honest.
What I played after saying that wasn’t my best performance either😅
Herbie is a Bream tier god for jazz piano though, like you'd need to have someone like Andras Schiff for classical for it to be wrong to put him at level 5
With these videos, I consistently swing between extreme cringe at how infantilising it is for professonal musicians to pretend that Jacob is being insightful, to just appreciating how nice it probably is for people to engage with someone as enthusastic as Collier. He reminds me of Brian Cox (talking about space). He has that childlike wonder. I can imagine him "rediscovering" the C major chord and everyone declaring that they've now heard it in a new light. He has that sort of vibe. His performance with Herbie was definitely just noodling. Cynicism aside, I respect that this isn't his setup and that it's designed to propogate the idea that the boy wonder will have something to teach everyone.
1:53 one correction art the overtones, they rlly do occur in nature though the fundamental pitch is 99 percent of the time not going to be an exact pitch from 12 TET but like for example, an A that's sharp a few cents will still produce the same integer multiple overtones.
When there is no time to criticize other musicians, it means that everything is fine with your personal musical activity and you are in demand at the present time. Buddy, do music, and not hype at the expense of others' success. This is a more noble and noble occupation with an additional bonus blessing.
I’ve been working on this Amazing Grace parody “Fall from Grace”.
21:25 I feel you, i know perfectly what you mean. But in general jazz feels like that, like a long pleasant-to-ear practice/jam session. And yea, it might sound nice, especially as just background, it might require some technical and theorical knowledge (that as you say is nothing more, indeed maybe less, than postmodern classical music knowledge), but it will never truly interest me deeply or fire my passion for music. Not like some classical pieces do. There's not one single jazz song that can amaze as much as classical pieces do, it's not just a matter of taste. To prove this point, jazz can only be expressed in the form of short 'songs', the shortest, easiest, most popular musical structure. And the only jazz symphonies or jazzy chamber music pieces ever written, were written by classical, or classically trained, composers, that TRULY mastered the art of composing and have every tool available to write anything they please. Unlike jazz musicians that at their best moments can still only improvise over the same licks and ideas for whole careers
Sorry jazz lovers thats how i feel cyaaaaaa
There is nothing wrong with what you said as it is your subjective opinion. Classical and jazz are simply different styles of music. I'm sure we could find someone in the world that would have the same feelings towards a particular style of music that might not be classical.
I happen to like both styles however classical music is my foundation 🙏🏾
Let's make an experiment. Let's give Jacob 10 years to write a 5-minute-long instrumental composition, write it down, and see if it is really, really interesting and beautiful. So much that we'd like to hear it many more times and also enjoy hearing different interpretations of it. If he manages to do it, he has passed level one of the classical composition challenge and can now begin to dream of writing a symphony. Improvisation is great, but in the end we enjoy good music. Excellent music if we are lucky. Spontaneity is good, but it is not the most important. Farts are very spontaneous.
And your comment has all the significance of a fart.
listen to Time to rest your weary head, Little Blue..there are lots of songs that show his writing style and kind of folk inclination. I do think that he sings covers better than his own compositions tho
Clearly, you haven't heard World O World, which is a contemporary classical choral piece and not instrumental, but it will absolutely stand the test of time. It has been performed to rapturous responses from live audiences (including one that contained me) and is already being performed at memorial services, funerals, and choir competitions. It's a 6-minute requiem that will become a staple for skilled choirs. He doesn't need ten years to do it; he did it when he was 24. Here is the recording session for the version on the Djesse Vol. 4 album, which has been nominated for Album of the Year at the Grammys. ua-cam.com/video/DUS1wnA0SQM/v-deo.htmlsi=99b4zNtbLU_88m4O
@@nicolla7451 with due respect: just another predictable song.
@@laucha490 most beautiful and loved songs are simple with predictable chord progressions, i mentioned those because you talked about his spontaneity and improvisation, which more often that not turn into cluster chords and spicy stuff :) but i mean his idol is stevie wonder which i think does a good job at creating beautiful “familiar” music while not overdoing it, but still making it sound unique and keeping the creativity flowing you know
i just started playing random intervals and it sounded good (this is my new adiction now)
stop playing 7th chords for a week? damn i really liked this guy lmao
6:45 is basically sor hands rediscovering schoenberg's "emancipation of dissonance"
This is pretty damn brave of you to do especially considering Collier's fanbase but I kinda get it at the same time 🤣
He's doing it for clicks obviously, even if haters come he gains from it
@@stanncie I get it, doesn't mean the initial point doesn't stand aha
There's nothing brave about doing cheap snarky interruptions aimed at far greater talents. It's lazy and reeks of simple jealousy.
@@bryanleggo3489 Oop is that said fanbase 🙊
@@davidkelly1507 hey man I'm not criticizing you, we all need to make a living. If you can do it by grifting off of Jacob then go for it. I'm sure he wouldn't even care
15:57 God damnit Gilfoyle 🤣
You’re attacking a straw man I think. It may be a straw man worth attacking, I just don’t think he was saying the rules are pointless or they destroy your creativity. I think he was just geeking out about an unconventional harmonic choice.
I can't deny how smart Jacob Collier is, but I don't enjoy his music. He's the equivalent of 20th century classical composer who prioritize innovation/intellect over emotional effectiveness. For example Bartok's music never made me cry, but Chopin's could easily do. I'm not hating on him though, as I understand that it's simply the current zeitgeist for Jazz musician to aim for complexity.
I cried the first I listen his version of Hallelujah, and definitely I have goosebumps every time I listen the Concerto per Orquestra from Bartok...these are just MY examples, to me it is clear than complexity does not correlate necessarilly with musicality, but that doesn't mean that you cannot find intense emotions in over-intellectually produced art, you just need to find the thing that feels right.
That's a grotesque caricature of modern classical as well and the crying part is just sad. Bartok is exciting, snoozy Chopin not so much, although he probably was more so 100 years ago. But even then Beethoven and Wagner were exciting and still are. We and the world have moved on and grown.
Metal goes through that phase every so often to, where technical complexity and skill is prioritized almost to the point where the emotional effectiveness, as you called it (which I like, so I'm stealing), begins to suffer.
@@mauroariascontreras9284 Yes you are right. I might have to dive into Jacob's music to find which resonates with me most.
@@bryanleggo3489 The crying part is just for emphasizing the emotional effect on listener lol. Don't get me wrong, I love Bartok's music. I listened to almost all of his composition, they're very exciting indeed. Although most of the times what I felt was confusion and horror, especially when listening to his quartets. On the flip side, I really enjoy his concertos (be it piano, violin, viola, orchestra).
you can actually "Naturally" achieve the undertone series with just a tuning fork and a piece of paper. so i would argue, that its not that much less "natural" than the overtone series.
right, because tuning forks and paper exist in nature without any human involvement 😂
@@bimrebeats if it could happen so easily using simple objects, I'm willing to bet it happens in animals.
@ well you can use anything that creates overtones and a leaf
4:37 "i think i can play stuff like this" hahahahahahaha
😅
it's crazy to see so many people getting mad here when most of them don't even understand what Jacob is talking about, it's like saying you can't criticize Joe, he's president and you're not
Is anyone else here really into hentai? I've been reading some biographies of Django and it's hard not to feel that someone as creative and full of life and humor as him wouldn't have been a huge fan, if I had a time machine I'd definitely use it to go back in time and show him some of my favorite gifs and Manga series after a Paris show in the late 40s if I had one, really think it could have reinvigorated his creativity and inspired him to invent what is now considered "modern" harmony instead of half heartedly exploring the musical dead end that bebop turned out to be
….😔🤚
In my mind, the ranking of the musicians or their musicianship in the original video is based on Jacob Collier's own musical approach, who is a student of Herbie Hancock - no wonder he would put Herbie in the top spot and give him his own keyboard. I would have loved to see the professional pianist get a piano too, but this was Jacob's showcase, and I suppose he needed a good foil more than a collaborator in the Level 4 spot.
Jacob is incredibly talented and yet his music is just pretentious boring crap.
That's an opinion dude tell us some facts
@dedios03 the earth is round, vacines are safe, global warming is real and Jacob Collier is boring. Some facts.
It's fine until he sings imo. Then his face does that thing where his jaw detaches and it looks like he's going to eat an entire melon while singing "ooooh"
wow, I really liked your take on rules limiting creativity, never thought of it that way. You can get a framework to learn the basics and the rules but that doesn't stop you from doing your own stuff though.
Very good video thank you
Thanks!😄
Collier seems a bit immature with his attitude. It's a bit shallow and technical. Some of his arrangents are kind of gimmicky, out of touch with or unrelated to the song. It reminds me of Roland Barthe's essay about the art of singing, where he talks about the artist obstructing the art.
1:42 Oh, but it does happen in all kinds of wave phenomena in nature. A lot. Perhaps the most well known example are the vibration patterns in the Sun’s atmosphere.
also birds exist, which i would consider as 'natural' as anything a hollowed out tree does
what do you tune down what
enjoyed the video! I don't think it was too cynical, felt like it was a pretty level. Hard to even fault collier in these videos when productions set up these ridiculous situations to begin with because they know he brings in clicks. I mean here I am at your video now haha
Thanks! And yeah very true, I honestly put a lot of my own baggage into this one 😬
someone should make a "Jacob Collier Shreds!" video
I’m just a beginner mage tryna figure out these fucked runes and spells
Why are you so annoying, you don’t have to be that way
I wonder if Jacob understands pitch class theory.
Counterpunctual harmony is far superior but Jacob loves to talk
Trust me when I tell you, there's nothing that professional pianist could teach Jacob. With respect. I'm sure he's great. Jacob is legit genius VIRTUOSO. He definitely knows and understands classical music at the highest level. Look into his family history. Jacob doesn't need lessons from anyone, when it comes to theory.
I’m sure Jacob does not feel that way. Someone as curious and smart as him is learning every day from all kinds of people.
I can't remember which composer it was, but they were a post war composer like Penderecki. Anyway, when people went to study with him, he pretty much just made them learn counterpoint because without extensive knowledge of the rules you just won't have control over how your music will sound. I know this all too well, because I don't know the rules and I can never make music sound the way I want it to. Just to back up what you said about the rules being oppressive. I think not knowing the rules are waaay more oppressive. Like I know a lot of scales, I practice scales a lot, so I can get lots of flavors, but I don't know enough about harmony and chord function to really have control over my writing.
If you think I'm economic terms how nature balances all natural resources to achieve equilibrium then we see harmony, that'd be an aside to harmony produced by animals, birds and the like.
The concept is appogiatura but they don't know. Its serious it's really that
I think the Maj sharp 5 is a dom it’s like a voicing from melodic minor B Maj sharp 5 as an upper structure for G7 #9#5
You could also think of it as a cm7 with a halftone lowered root, a minor major seventh chord
It's kinda sad to me that Collier's that talented, but yet all his songs sound like Christmas music.
I seriously doubt that you know "all his songs" much less the alternate versions or countless improvisations from live performances.
I don’t know man, I’m just a hobbyist at best, but at 4:20 I heard nothing random what Jacob played and at 4:35 I heard nothing what Jacob played before. But then again, if this is parody of someone reacts video then: Haha, comedy gold. Cheers from Finland!
Jacob should sell the "I've never truly suffered, so I'm incapable of making meaningful art" starter pack
Did you make that same stupid remark somewhere else or did you just copy it from the original dummy I first saw saying it? I used to be suckered by ideas like that - that one must suffer for their art. It sounds like you're just jealous that he's a happy guy who's had a relatively privileged life so you just won't deal with the genius of his music. Or how heartfelt and soulful it often is if you see the many reaction videos of people with goosebumps and crying.
BTW, Bach and Mozart were privileged and didn't suffer much. Beethoven I'm not sure. But it didn't hold them back, did it?
They didnt give Herbie a korg tho. Lol
Yeah I caught that in post😅 I meant nord, I was glad to find that Korg is at least an actual brand. I haven’t thought about that kind of gear in awhile so it’s not fresh in my mind
20:48 I do this a lot. Freeform improv/impromptu.
My keyboard friend gets upset because it usually comes out in the key of E ultimately, so I have been playing in flats lately which is harder than most people think for guitar players
Finally someone putting this nepo-baby in his place.
Play the 6th on the 5th. No seventh chords for the I chord just major 6ths and play the major 7ths when you want tension but really that major 7 note sounds best in a dorian chord to resolve to something. The original bebop players were trying to emulate the composers like Bach and the goal was to be able to improvise peices on the spot. The part where it became jazz was the improv, syncopation and just generally ryhthm. Harmony is almost scientific or devine so it is kind of the same in all music but the ryhthm is what sets music genres apart the most, imo.
Holy guacamole, the Jacob Collier fans are triggered
😅
Because this guy talks shit about the things he doesn't get 😂
ANd you use tiresome cliches rather than address their comments or face the reality of his talents. Are you actually pretending you aren't "triggered" by him in ways that have little to do with the music itself? LOL! There's river in Egypt..
@@bryanleggo3489 Isn't there a law that if you critise someone's writing you'll make a mistake yourself? "There's river in Egypt.."
I did address a couple comments but they don't timestamp and don't make a real argument. Perhaps they have valid points but aren't able to articulate it
@@jamesalexander958 Don't get your comment. Are you implying someone else said "There's a river in Egypt" that I should have credited? I've heard dozens of people make the joke about Denial = The Nile and doubt it could be traced back to one person.
I was only referring to your use of the word "triggered" which is ironic given all the comments here that are people reacting reflexively with shallow snarky cheap shots aimed at JC. That sounds like being triggered to me.
The whole negative harmony is such nonsense.
Like, yeah first inversion major chord becomes minor (with #5) and vice versa (maj6) big deal.
It's even more simple. Look at Barry Harris. The 4 notes of C dim is a family of major chords. So if your coming home to C you can get there from Eb which is the "negative" approach. How you do that is up to you and the musical tastes you have. But typically, if you have iii Vi ii V I which is coming down in 5ths/4ths instead you go up from the 4th of Eb which is Ab. So Ab Eb Bb f. So it's the same amount of changes to get back to C but instead you resolve from F minor to C instead of G to C its that easy, collier makes it more complicated.
What do you mean there's no actual pitch in nature? Birds are pretty good
There are no pure single frequencies. The sine wave is one single frequency but it is produced electronically. The nearest thing in nature would be a flute or a recorder.
@nigelhaywood9753 you sent me down a pure tone rabbit hole, thank you. It's so cool how we're trying to play specific notes yet they can never be 'perfect' and it's the imperfections which actually make sounds interesting 🤯
I always wondered why I couldn’t listen to any Jacob Collier thing.
So honest, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
4:40 oha? sor hands is slowly discovering his jazz phase? edit: 9:40 didn't know you also studied jazz, so I guess you already had your jazz phase
I love anyone who loves music theory. Willing to argue and fight about it? I love you even more. ❤❤❤
4:39 😂😂🤣 yeahh Sounds exactly like jacob 🤣🤣
😂
React to Barry Harris workshop videos
Oh I'd love to see that one!
The first time I've heard someone diss Gentle Jacob 🤣
I feel like electric bass is the most fun to play around with harmonics/overtones. portrait of tracy etc.
We should champion effort fueled creativity, not aimless radical uniqueness.
I should’ve said: you’re coming across as jealous and sad.
It should be pointed out that the piano strings famously do not produce the overtone series. They have to be tuned to their slightly out of tune harmonics so that it doesn't sound like a trashed saloon piano. And given that pianos are not tuned to any form of just intonation, talking about the overtone and undertone series seems really irrelevent to any compositional techniques on the piano.
I appreciate your cynicism. Thanks for the entertaining video. Glad the algo brought me your video.
I believe this video is what the Brits call "taking the piss"
Harmony peaked with Schoenberg
Facts 💯
I agree, Collier does come across as 'patronising' in my eyes as well..
Bro is just hating on somebody who actually contributes to the arena of music ideas. Imagine herbie going to Jacob's practice and actually making music and this guy just hates in his mom's basement
You look and sound so much like the guy (Gilfoyle) in the serie "Sillicon Valley" haha Clever, extermely talented and witty !
6Fun whacky discussion. Here's how Jacob's right (and I don't get why he's a big deal) attitude, confidence is the whole deal whether it's the snooty classical attitude or the breezy jacob attitude or the jazz or heavy metal attitude etc. Music is always seeking an available instrument through which it can express. 3 kinds of musician 1plays at music 2plays the music 3is played by the music (you know, mastery) or so says Fripp...
At 12:50 you answer your own question (viz. what's the difference between what he's doing and random chords). They are not random because they have function or voice-leading. Someone who has never heard a tritone sub might think the same thing and they would be just as wrong.
Also just because you can technically do anything doesn't mean that everything will sound equally good.
I do realise a lot of what you say is tongue-in-cheek though.
Thanks, my main goal for these reaction videos is just to make something funny. Some people like it, some people hate it, but it definitely gets a reaction either way so I keep making them. My other way less popular videos are dedicated to answering community questions about practicing classical guitar (something I do know a lot about) and showing my practice
@@Sorhands I see the humour and I appreciate your skills as a classical guitarist. I suppose this is pitched to classical folks and jazzers like me get a but triggered. That said labelling clearly functional harmony as random chords doesn't help the perception of jazz.
I don't know man... That G is really sus.
I think it's the constant repetition of a single note over any kind of chord that makes it "work" !
3:14 I'd disagree, subharmonics naturally exist and they happend to follow the exact patern as harmonics above. Mostly done by voices. It's very common in beatboxing community, in order to achieve massive sounding bass, even with a tenor sounding voice. So why would you think it's made up? It's not a hate comment I'm genuinely interested. 😊
The undertone series can be partially recreated through forcing the vibrating medium to skip vibrations in a periodic way, but you don't produce the series, but one or two notes of the series: octave and a fourth. The undertone series is not a natural phenomenon of tone and timbre production outside of some sort of mechanical intervention, usually human. The overtone series is a natural phenomenon, but still requires special conditions to produce simple series of harmonics rather than the normal rich cacophony of inharmonicities in most timbres. Undertones are really things we kind of invented rather than discovered in nature.
I appreciate the lack of bare feet directly in front of a 26mm lens. Thank you
You broke me down😓
I think you actually have a knack for improvisation. Maybe try going in a Ralph Townerish direction in the spirit of breaking down the wall between classical and jazz?
Thanks! I do love improvisation:)
I think the problem with your opinion is; when you try to "play random notes" and point out that the chaos that forms in reharmonization is easy to improvise just by adding notes.
The problem is that when you say try it doesn't make harmonious sense. You played random notes and it didn't sound groovy like you say. I also know that groovy is not the word. Literal Jacob plays with the textures of each harmonic function.
Jacob is not a magician and what he plays is not magic. It's called assimilation.
There are literally reharmonization techniques that you shove up your ass when you say it's pretentious.
You are afraid of not understanding what Jacob does, detracting from him.
It just feels like you're envious of him.
Hmm... A professional player in 4th spot, A world renowned musician that needs no introduction on 5th spot... Seems acceptable at the very least.
Oh my god... you are literally crazy to say jacob is playing random notes when he plays straight up diatonic harmony. Ok you know that all these theorical concepts jacob talks about work, but jacob knows how and why they work when you do not and I bet you already know this. But i don't understand your idea of jacob collier = more notes, more chords...
when it's literally a sought-after fusion of multiple styles and mainly jazz and it works, my ears as a musician is hella sensitive to jacob's stuff and it's because he's to me one of the only musicians that truly mean what he plays cuz he knows, everything is soulfully thought through
Find a trace of the melody in that to Amazing grace reharm.
4:40 - 4:50 is gold jerry
I get this is just a humourous video, not really intending to spread any hate to the artist and stuff. I just think one perspective that is very lost on people is to separate the artist from the art. I really don't like Jacob Collier NEW music (although i really love the old Acapella stuff), but that doesn't really mean he is a dumb individual, doesn't know what he's talking about, or he's just overall a bad artist, and i think people seem to think the opposite: bc his (new) music can be pretty shallow, he is just overall a mediocre musician.
I think there was nothing wrong with his explanations in that video, and neither with his playing, if people think that adding a 9 and a 6 on a 1 chord is random notes (or adding extensions on chords in general), i think it just shows an overall lack of knowledge on jazz music, and there's nothing wrong with that, just doesn't mean it's wrong; in the case of the video per say, i didn't see any random notes, every extension seem to be following some logic in traditional jazz harmony. There's lot's of crazier stuff with, for exemple, chick corea and hiromi duet, or pretty much every herbie Hancock tune. And even if some of it is to be random, there is no real problem with that, even random notes and just on the moment ideas splashed out can be really expressive and beautiful.
Anyways, i really appreciate both worlds of jazz and classical music, as a jazz pianist and aspiring classical musician, and i can understand some of the hate, i just think most of it is misdirected at the person instead of the art. If this serves for anything, if you want to hear jacob on his greatest, i would check some of his Acapella tracks when his was younger, something like "You and I". I think it's something quite unique, and I'm just sad that he sort of lost his sound to become something like a caricature of music in a sense
Jacob is actually really nice IRL, I randomly bumped into him once in a music store and he was super down to earth and asked a lot of questions about what kind of music I was into and seemed very interested in what little ol me had to say, won't name names but was a huge difference between most of the "famous" classical guitarists I've encountered (David Russell being a massive very nice exception!) who talk to most of us plebs like something they found on the bottom of their shoe and will just abruptly turn to talk to someone else mid conversation like you're nothing, worst celebs of course are pornstars, can't tell you how many times I've spotted a favorite actress at a random indy record or secondhand vintage store and can't help myself from nearly screaming and aspergers ranting about what an amazing performer she is and list my top 10 scenes and why etc. and they always just end up making that face women make and "have to go" though to be fair at least a few times I probably mistook a random civilian woman for one of my top 50 stars, especially when I just woke up from an 18 hour sesh on the hub lol, but in the end it's just more motivation to finally master the Concerto De Aranjuez and do a version with a local string/flute quintet that gets 500k views on youtube after going viral on reddit and now I have women approaching me for once lol
That was a great read 👌
@@Sorhands 😎
Really? I've met some top classical guitarists (no, not Segovia, Bream or Williams) and NEVER gotten disrespect. I've played open mics with far more experienced guitarists and NEVER been in a situation more supportive. Of course this is in the context of a guitar society, so it may pre-select for the nicer, more social guitarists. (I've never met David Russell either, but it's not surprise to me that he's a nice guy).
You come across as a sad and jealous individual craving for watch time milking more talented musicians. That has to be hard to admit.
tienes un subidón de mortadela que no veas hermano.
Who’s to say this pretty much unknown classical pianist is below Herbie Hancock?
You mean the guy that contributed to some of the most important albums of the past 100 years AND defined the sound of a few decades? You’re right. That’s the same as being very good at playing Bach. Which Herbie can also do.
This guy is a clown.
Can you do a video about Julian Lage? 🙏🙏🙏
You’re trying to get me killed😂
Undertone series. It's too much. Any number also contains its divisor. So, of courses It's possible, but is it timbre or just making a different fundamental? Id love to hear you do a whole video!
1:15 I heard my way by limp bizkit 😂
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13:50 Gradus ad Parnassum.....not Parnassium....just sayin'.🙂 The reason nothing sounds bad on piano is because the machine makes all the sound for the player. The player only has to apply a force to the key. (You can literally drop a stone on the key.)
Hey you made it past the first 5 minutes this time :)
@@Sorhands Sleeping in!! As I said a while back, you're my favorite passive/aggressive youtuber.
Do you really need to know the specifics of the overtone series to write good music? I'm hoping that when I start composing I just naturally do a lot of cool advanced songwriting and harmonic tricks naturally because of my great ear and intuition like what the beatles did and Paul was all "I heard me uncle play that chord all the time on the piano at Christmas parties" I really just want to be good enough to appeal to milfs as like a sensitive jazzy man whose skilled hands they hope translate to the bedroom and maybe get on local morning television as a "beloved local guitarist" type who always seems to have gorgeous women around but like in a bachelor way, don't really want to be a swinger or anything though, more like how when you read a biography of some kinda dorky Dabe Brubeck looking clean cut jazz guy from the 50s but are shocked by all the crazy sex stories with women described as "bombshells" etc.
I think the most important thing is knowing what you want out of your music, I think you’ll be just fine with or without it 😎
Paul traversed London just to learn from a jazzman friend
my one real take from this is that arrogance is a poor communicator
there is a difference between what jacob did to amazing grace and "random notes", go study some jazz, go study some gospel music from the black american baptist church, go study the blues
your take is very shallow and very indicative of a classical mindset, which is extreeeemely limiting to the ears.
lol.
Well that’s why I called it “classical guitarist REACTS”
The way that he played all over amazing Grace was somewhat distasteful. Someone might say disrespectful.
1:46 Do you even.. I mean... wtf? No. The most random 💩 is constantly happening all the time and makes all kinds of noise. Harsh wind at the beach has a clearly defined pitch within average human hearing range, add some trees and whatnot and you'll even have a chord. Nature is full of sounds. Friggin mosquitos man. I hate em but they do have their naggy little signature tune going on, that is way too catchy for their own good.
The more I think about it, the more I feel like people take psychedelics to experience the most basic things in life. Cause when I read that back, stuff sounds like your average LSD/shroom story ...but that's just an average day to me.
You are so far off...further more Jacob does not pretend to be a genius he just explains his look at music.
You are entitled to your opinion but the constant laughing as if he is some dumb ass looks kinda childish.
In rhe end Jacob wasn't classical trained.
And you know, if everybody acts like you are a genius, you might think you are.
And about your classical educated players, just because someone has studied more or older doesn't mean they are better...I have been playing and studying guitar for about 40 years so I should be better than anyone who played less?
And I am not even that big of a fan of Jacob, but you did make me feel like he needed a little defending.
I definitely agree with your last statement, there’s way too much hate for Jacob in this comment section. I was screwing around here but I do massively respect him. (And unlike a lot of people here I do enjoy his music)
@@Sorhands thanx for the respons..