This is an absolute godsend for any beginners. At this current point I can already transcribe the complex stuff by ear but back when I was still clueless of anything that went out of the key, I wondered how the process went and this would've been amazing to see. Also amazing song choices truly 🔥
Your approach has done so much for my appreciation of harmony/tonality, and how it’s best approached when working! So excited to try the app! May I ask if there’s an expected release date? Thank you once again! :)
although im not fast at scale degree but i can identify the key, the melody and the bass but the hardest thing for me is the harmony, quality and voicing, major, minor sus, altered dim dom what ever all that is super hard. Of course i can infer based on the key but i want to actually HEAR it and FEEL it, i can already feel the scale degree just not the quality. and especially hearing as the chord changes. i'm assuming cause the your ear changes with the chord being played i just dont know how to do it, even the songs i know how to play that are in my vocabulary in my hands, intellectually i know what chord it is cause i analyze and studied it but i still cannot hear it and feel it and know it
I get where you're at, here's the thing. You will only instinctually acquire any aspect by consciously recognizing it enough times in music. If you can infer the chord based on the key for example then you're already halfway there. At that point all that's left is to infer the chord enough times in real music to where it becomes instinctual. You've probably had this moment listening to music where you instinctually hear something (a chord, a melody, a sound...) that reminds you of another song right? It's the same thing, but we're actually putting a name to it here. So really just focus on finding the chord you're hearing by whatever means possible (theory, guessing on the keyboard), and after enough times hearing it it'll become instinctual. Of course I assume you're figuring out all of this BY EAR, cuz if not it won't work. For quality it's the same thing. If it's an unknown quality try your best to figure it out by guessing or using theory and then when you think you have it, put it under a name and when you hear it consciously identify it in your head as said quality. After finding it in enough songs it'll soon become instinctual. I highly recommend using the app complete ear trainer to get at least a basic feel for qualities and what kinds there are, but you really just gotta jump into the music you like and figure it out. What'll happen is something like this: You hear a sound you like, you try to figure out what it is. I hear a 2 in the bass and we're in major so it's the ii chord. You're then later figuring out a new song. I hear a 2 in the bass and we're in major so it's the ii again I see. After a couple of times you will hear the ii chord and go wait is that the ii chord thing? Then test it out, and bam it's the ii chord, you got it. After that you'll start to just know without having to even check. Although in my experience you usually will hear chord moves first. So like you might not necessarily feel the ii chord directly but you might recognize a certain chord progression or move like if you figured out a song that went IV-V-iii-vi and then in another song you hear something that reminds you of that progression and think wait isn't that like that other song and when you take a look at it you might see oh it's the iii going to the vi so it IS like that other song. So essentially what I'm trying to say is that you can't control when that instinctual understanding will come, you can only figure out as much music as possible until it happens. And let me tell you, IT HAPPENS. Quite quickly in my experience (if you're doing enough songs). Just figure out music and register it under whatever names you give it so that your brain starts trying to see what those two things have in common until it completely understands what a ii chord for example really sounds like
This just means you haven't had enough experience paying attention to the feeling state of a given thing and giving it a consistent label. There is no difference, in essence, between the feeling state of a scale degree, chord number, or chord quality. Have you seen my previous video "The Perfect Ear Training Routine"?
Have you seen my video called "The Perfect Ear Training Routine"? There is some info in there. Otherwise, just begin trying and setting the intention to hear them in everything you listen to. It's also worth learning to play or sing some lines if you've never done that.
Use a stem separator and listen to the bass by itself. Then go and listen to the original song and try to hear it. This is what I did back when I just couldn't pick out the bass and it did wonders
when you try to find the tonic do you search for the relative major tonic or just stick with whatever mode you're in? It seems like the feeling of resolution of the tonic for other modes is not the same as the one from the major mode tonic
You can't really control what tonic your brain goes to first but you can learn to recognize what type of tonic it is. If you can differentiate between when you're singing a minor vs a major tonic then you'll be fine, cuz for other modes you can just think of them as alterations of those two scales. If you hear a minor tonic but you also heard a 6 in there instead of a b6, then you know it's dorian for example
For me, there are two feelings - one is the sense of tonicness, and the other is the feeling of the overall mode. I'm interested in whatever my ear actually perceives and will follow that instead of trying to impose an idea of what the tonic should be.
Hey Max, I'm a self taught producer and have followed you for about 2 weeks and was curious if you could like, privately or not privately help me analyze my music and understand it better? I write tons of songs and am very very proud of them, and have practiced sound design and music production for almost 8 years, which means my sound selection and design is somewhat different. What I need help with is understanding what resolutions and things I could be missing in my arrangements after identifying the previous tonics I use. It makes it difficult to finish tracks especially after harmonizing leads and melodies with alternating pads and chords. It's led me to recognize a pattern of sub-conscious repetition in my writing that I hope to break?
For sure. I have a form you can fill out if you're interested in doing some sessions: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPzGNWMEsi5JqmsasrKPcjC3PEaC8jhNtP7pTC7DBrgNLkIw/viewform
Anyone in for a challenge? Try transcribing track "On", "The Rule Of 13" or anything by one and only Mattias IA Eklundh. You have been warned for stepping into rabbit hole.
Let me know what you think. It's definitely a two chord to me, just not the diatonic one. It's 'borrowed' from the parallel mixoydian. The ii should be half-dim, here it is 9sus4 with the melody hitting the D, implying a m9 overall, which is the natural ii of mixo. It contains the major 3 and major 6 in respect to the tonic. The melody also hits a G, not G#, implying mixo instead of ionian.
@@TroubleinZION There is a B a fifth underneath that F#. There is also a C# in the voicing. However, playing a Dmaj9 would give a similar effect, which is also great.
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I've been watiing for this for so long, i cannot wait.
is there an eta on release? singed up!
Hey max, is it possible to try your Beta ?
Cant wait !!
Can we please just get an estimate on when? Are we talking 3 weeks, or 3 months here? Super excited to try it out!
Please do this more often. As a beginner this is such a good way of understanding of how everything works together
This is an absolute godsend for any beginners. At this current point I can already transcribe the complex stuff by ear but back when I was still clueless of anything that went out of the key, I wondered how the process went and this would've been amazing to see. Also amazing song choices truly 🔥
I’m an absolute beginner with no knowledge and Max got me thinking about music everyday now!
RIP SHAUN ❤️❤️❤️😭
Excited to test your app! Nice video!
This is extremely fun to watch, pls make more videos like this. New sub
wow even just getting the tonic right made me so happy, the future looks bright 🤩, thank you Max
This is what makes youtube shine! 🌟 Without people like you Max, sharing you hard work and knowledge, youtube would be like fishing in a dead sea.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
The dude in action
I'm really glad you did The Yellow Jacket!
Cpinter! Glad you like that track as well
Ty.
Thanks so much. I'm getting better on the chromatic drone ear training video. What a challenge! Very cool stuff.
Your approach has done so much for my appreciation of harmony/tonality, and how it’s best approached when working! So excited to try the app! May I ask if there’s an expected release date?
Thank you once again! :)
Releasing before the new year if all goes well... Just in the final stages now.
Amazing video this is the goal I don’t know how long it’s gonna take but eventually I’ll be able to transcribe like this
beautful vid. u started my ear training journey and i can hear a decent bit of this appreciate it!
Nice! Happy to hear it
Thank you.
Those piano skills!
Hey Max - awesome skill.... Great explanation... what should I say? Harmonic sorcerer
although im not fast at scale degree but i can identify the key, the melody and the bass
but the hardest thing for me is the harmony, quality and voicing, major, minor sus, altered dim dom what ever all that is super hard. Of course i can infer based on the key but i want to actually HEAR it and FEEL it, i can already feel the scale degree just not the quality. and especially hearing as the chord changes. i'm assuming cause the your ear changes with the chord being played
i just dont know how to do it, even the songs i know how to play that are in my vocabulary in my hands, intellectually i know what chord it is cause i analyze and studied it but i still cannot hear it and feel it and know it
I get where you're at, here's the thing. You will only instinctually acquire any aspect by consciously recognizing it enough times in music. If you can infer the chord based on the key for example then you're already halfway there. At that point all that's left is to infer the chord enough times in real music to where it becomes instinctual. You've probably had this moment listening to music where you instinctually hear something (a chord, a melody, a sound...) that reminds you of another song right? It's the same thing, but we're actually putting a name to it here. So really just focus on finding the chord you're hearing by whatever means possible (theory, guessing on the keyboard), and after enough times hearing it it'll become instinctual. Of course I assume you're figuring out all of this BY EAR, cuz if not it won't work. For quality it's the same thing. If it's an unknown quality try your best to figure it out by guessing or using theory and then when you think you have it, put it under a name and when you hear it consciously identify it in your head as said quality. After finding it in enough songs it'll soon become instinctual. I highly recommend using the app complete ear trainer to get at least a basic feel for qualities and what kinds there are, but you really just gotta jump into the music you like and figure it out. What'll happen is something like this:
You hear a sound you like, you try to figure out what it is. I hear a 2 in the bass and we're in major so it's the ii chord. You're then later figuring out a new song. I hear a 2 in the bass and we're in major so it's the ii again I see. After a couple of times you will hear the ii chord and go wait is that the ii chord thing? Then test it out, and bam it's the ii chord, you got it. After that you'll start to just know without having to even check. Although in my experience you usually will hear chord moves first. So like you might not necessarily feel the ii chord directly but you might recognize a certain chord progression or move like if you figured out a song that went IV-V-iii-vi and then in another song you hear something that reminds you of that progression and think wait isn't that like that other song and when you take a look at it you might see oh it's the iii going to the vi so it IS like that other song. So essentially what I'm trying to say is that you can't control when that instinctual understanding will come, you can only figure out as much music as possible until it happens. And let me tell you, IT HAPPENS. Quite quickly in my experience (if you're doing enough songs). Just figure out music and register it under whatever names you give it so that your brain starts trying to see what those two things have in common until it completely understands what a ii chord for example really sounds like
This just means you haven't had enough experience paying attention to the feeling state of a given thing and giving it a consistent label. There is no difference, in essence, between the feeling state of a scale degree, chord number, or chord quality. Have you seen my previous video "The Perfect Ear Training Routine"?
Any tips for learning how to even hear the bass notes?
Have you seen my video called "The Perfect Ear Training Routine"? There is some info in there. Otherwise, just begin trying and setting the intention to hear them in everything you listen to. It's also worth learning to play or sing some lines if you've never done that.
Use a stem separator and listen to the bass by itself. Then go and listen to the original song and try to hear it. This is what I did back when I just couldn't pick out the bass and it did wonders
@@opolo704 Interesting idea!
RIP Shaun !
🙏🏼💗🙏🏼
Your app isn’t available atm?
Check the pinned comment!
when you try to find the tonic do you search for the relative major tonic or just stick with whatever mode you're in? It seems like the feeling of resolution of the tonic for other modes is not the same as the one from the major mode tonic
You can't really control what tonic your brain goes to first but you can learn to recognize what type of tonic it is. If you can differentiate between when you're singing a minor vs a major tonic then you'll be fine, cuz for other modes you can just think of them as alterations of those two scales. If you hear a minor tonic but you also heard a 6 in there instead of a b6, then you know it's dorian for example
For me, there are two feelings - one is the sense of tonicness, and the other is the feeling of the overall mode. I'm interested in whatever my ear actually perceives and will follow that instead of trying to impose an idea of what the tonic should be.
Release the app 🥴
So close...
@maxkonyi is there a window to expect it by
@@KeithEndreif you are clever enough, you may enjoy it sooner^^
@@Faune13 I've been trying these methods myself but it's not easy switching keys and not giving myself a hint sort of speak
@@KeithEndre Before the new year!
🔥🔥🔥
what if I first caught the melody in the first song? I was confused by the melody and the bass of the harmony (D)
I'm not sure what you mean exactly...
Actually I heard this song long ago, but never realized it is actually so similar to pat matheney's James.
You "The Yellow Jacket"? James is a great tune...
Hey Max, I'm a self taught producer and have followed you for about 2 weeks and was curious if you could like, privately or not privately help me analyze my music and understand it better? I write tons of songs and am very very proud of them, and have practiced sound design and music production for almost 8 years, which means my sound selection and design is somewhat different. What I need help with is understanding what resolutions and things I could be missing in my arrangements after identifying the previous tonics I use. It makes it difficult to finish tracks especially after harmonizing leads and melodies with alternating pads and chords. It's led me to recognize a pattern of sub-conscious repetition in my writing that I hope to break?
For sure. I have a form you can fill out if you're interested in doing some sessions: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPzGNWMEsi5JqmsasrKPcjC3PEaC8jhNtP7pTC7DBrgNLkIw/viewform
@@maxkonyi Bet! wow! thank you so much!
Opening sounds like James by pat metheny
Love that song. Also heavy on the triads and inversions.
16:51 The resolving to the major chord instead of the minor 1 is also known as the picardy third
It's true but you won't catch me saying it 😎
@@maxkonyi make it so ;)
@@maxkonyi Too cool for baroque theory terms
Anyone in for a challenge? Try transcribing track "On", "The Rule Of 13" or anything by one and only Mattias IA Eklundh. You have been warned for stepping into rabbit hole.
Mattias is a boss.
Part with strings: It’s not a two chord it’s a chord that is not diatonic to the key. I’ll grab a guitar in a second and let you know what it is.
Let me know what you think. It's definitely a two chord to me, just not the diatonic one. It's 'borrowed' from the parallel mixoydian. The ii should be half-dim, here it is 9sus4 with the melody hitting the D, implying a m9 overall, which is the natural ii of mixo. It contains the major 3 and major 6 in respect to the tonic. The melody also hits a G, not G#, implying mixo instead of ionian.
@@maxkonyiD add 9 with an F# in the bass.
@@TroubleinZION There is a B a fifth underneath that F#. There is also a C# in the voicing.
However, playing a Dmaj9 would give a similar effect, which is also great.
Another one from the greatest himself 🫡