When I was a kid I got my hair straightened for picture day (I had thick curly hair that would turn into a fro in the Texas heat) and I got nothing but compliments from my classmates.
Lily was like a precursor to the friends Andy had in the Devil Wears Prada. Nothing but a hater because Mia was able to blossom and find confidence in herself. Lily is that type of girl that is basic but keeps girls like mia around because they would be considered the "ugly wallflower."
Honeyyy that’s all I could think about when doing this video, they did my girl so wrong. Lily was definitely the type, to try to block your blessings, and didn’t want you to flourish.
@@violetlavi2207 what do you mean? They themselves were employed in the New York arts and culinary scene, which are basically married at the levels they were operating in. They all knew what it was like working for a demanding boss. They all knew of the infamy of her devil boss. AND YET THEY WERE THE WORST TO HER ABOUT TRIVIAL SHIT LIKE CELEBRATING YOUR BIRTHDAY ON THE EXACT DAY, LIKE HE WAS SOME CHILD AND NOT A GROWN MAN WITH RESPONSIBILITIES! They received the benefits from her job, But they tagged on her for being dedicated to the job, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW HOW DEMANDING IT WOULD BE BEFORE SHE EVEN ACCEPTED THE POSITION! YALL.. Are you for real? Had it been the other way around ANDY would’ve been understanding and flexible so as to accommodate their work schedule, which also would facilitate in THEM ACHIEVING THEIR LINGTERM DREAMS AND GOALS IN THE BIG APPLE, BUT THEY DIDNT DO THAT FOR HER! THEY GUILT TRIPPED AND GAS LIT HER, KNOWING THAT THE ONLY REASON WHY SHE WAS TAKING THAT GOD AWFUL INFAMOUS ACROSS INDUSTRIES JOB - imagine how horrible an ASISSTANT’s job must be in order for it to be known across industries, let alone in multiple departments and companies of a singular industry.- WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS USING IT AS A STEPPING STONE IN HER CAREER PATH! IT WASN’T EVEN HER DREAM JOB! SHE TOOK THAT JOB KNOWING ITD BE A SEASON OF SUFFERING IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE HER LONGTERM GOALS, AND THEY KNEW THIS! THEY KNEW SHE WAS GETTING NOTHING BUT STRESS FROM THAT JOB, AND LIKE THE AWFUL FRIEND THEY WERE THEY CHOSE TO WITHHOLD LOVING KINDNESS AND MERCY FROM HER, WITHHOLDING UNDERSTANDING, AND DECIDED TO BE THE ADDITIONAL STRESS IN HER LIFE. THEY DIDNT SUPPORT HER AT ALL. THEY TOOK THE GIFTS FROM HER JOB WHICH THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT, BUT THEY DID NOT SUPPORT HER, NOT EVEN EMOTIONALLY. I WAS SO PISSED THAT SHE GOT BACK WITH NATE! THAT WAS A BOY PRETENDING TO BE A MAN! Ugh…I weep for you because you are so blind that you can’t even recognize good friends. I weep because that’s VERY telling of who you have chosen to surround yourself with. I weep because before I understood myself what a good friend was I TOO thought Andy’s friends were good friends and weren’t that bad. I was accepting a lot of bullshit behaviors from those in my life at the time, and I thought it was love. I weep because you seem to lack the discernment of a true friend. May you be blessed with that and the eyes to see.
I remembered when I first saw this movie, I didn’t like her as soon as she started to insult Mia after her glow up. I was expecting her to compliment her and be excited for her
@@erzascarlet03 I think that was part of her motivation but that does not give her the right to speak to Mia that way and then constantly berate and insult her to the point of tears. Friends should never talk like that to each other.
Two months is not enough time to get over the death of a family member, no matter how close you are or aren’t, that’s not just mean girl behaviour that’s sociopathic. Hell even the mean girls didn’t go that far
True. And to be mad at someone for not being "over it" within a time frame that's convenient for you? Then tell her that her pain is invalid and the relationship didn't matter???? Horrible.
OMG I didn’t even notice that line about Mia’s grief until now. 😮 But I lost respect for her with the way she treated Mia when she missed their interview due to the beach party going wrong and the subsequent tabloid fodder. I would’ve been sympathetic if I found out my friend was in an awful situation like that.
@@JuriAmari ok?? Lily acted like she knew everything, when she was really a hater, a bad friend and just plain rude. With a capital R. It was the hair & the dad comment for me.
Ohhhhh I couldn’t stand Lily! she was so bitter and hateful towards Mia who was a sweetheart, Mia did not deserve any of that. She not only had people at school bullying her but her OWN BFF 🤦🏽♀️ Lily and Janis are the same people I swear lol
I actually think where Janis differs is that she acknowledged she was a mean girl and didn’t have a desire to be popular. She was more secure in herself. Lily, however, thought she was on “the right side” while judging everyone around her and acted like she was above popularity while secretly craving it. Her insecurities were on display every time she opened her mouth.
@@dolphinsky24 While I agree that Janis owned the fact that she was a mean girl, it still doesn’t change the fact that she was one and believed because she wasn’t a “girly girl” it separated her from the other girls because she didn’t fit in. Janis plotted on Regina, granted she had her reasons but she didn’t mind using someone else for her revenge. They don’t have many differences except for the fact that Janis was open about the fact that she was a mean girl and a manipulator and didn’t even acknowledge it until Cady said what she said to her. Janis may not have wanted popularity because she had it before, but she also didn’t want others to have it because she was insecure and had an issue with hyperfeminine girly girls and constantly shamed them.. when you’reSECURE in yourself you don’t need to shame and bad mouth others who don’t act,think or dress like you. Real security in yourself knows that you have flaws, but you don’t project onto others and try to bring them down but you love yourself through your flaws
@@Princessdollamanda was Janis trying to be “not like other girls” tho? Regina made her an outsider (by claiming Janis was a lesbian and in love with her), which clearly upset her and she changed her appearance in response. Also, Janis was mean to everyone. It wasn’t just hyperfeminine girls. Perhaps, secure wasn’t the right word. She owned who she was more than Lily did.
@@dolphinsky24 Regardless of what it is she was a nasty person so because it’s EVERYONE it makes it okay? Okay so Regina made her an outsider which was not okay, but what does that have to do with everyone else who is genuinely nice to her? Ol girl was just as miserable as Lily period, no matter how you spin it, flip it and reverse it. Being mean to everyone makes it better ? No it shows your character and she was friends with Regina before all of that took place and I’m pretty sure she watched her treat others that way and took part in it too, but like iconically said it’s all fine and dandy until it’s flipped onto you and you’re now the person they mistreat. Janis was no different like I said and I stand on that
In the books it is implied that both girls were mainly friends because of their love for activism. Mia dreams of working for greenpeace and Lily uses Mia as a pawn in her own projects to get more revenue. And not in a 50/50 kind of way.
@@serenitysubs933 also in the books Mia and Lilly stop being friends for a good chunk of time and Mia actually starts getting along with mean girl Lana after they get over their differences! I'm not sure if I remember it clearly but it was implied that though Mia and Lilly reconcile in the end they're not besties anymore.
@@Authorthings the movie was based on the book series! Though the father is still alive in them, they killed him off in the movie (the author agreed when she found out it would mean that Julie Andrews got more screen time lol). The books are aimed at young adults or teens, but it's still enjoyable
When she said to Mia “What did you just say to me” after Mia rightfully clocked her being a hater let me know that she never got checked, she thought it was okay to speak to Mia in that manner because Mia was the kind one who avoided conflict. Then her saying “it’s not attractive” after Michael complimented her was nothing but pure jealousy and I would’ve put her raggedy a*s out of the limo and left her on the corner lmao. - I just don’t understand how she saw her friend crying from what SHE SAID TO HER and didn’t even apologize, she would just make excuses for her behavior
And she only stopped with the insults and hate after finding out Mia was actually a princess and was going to be named heir to the throne of her late father's kingdom. Only after finding out did she go from insulting Mia to defending her new look from others making remarks about the sudden change in appearance. That's pretty telling that she felt fine insulting Mia about her glow up when she thought she was just a "nobody", but then suddenly changed tune after finding out her friend was about to become a very powerful and potentially influential figure.
@@bethanyvarre9142 And she whines that she can't run herself because other kids hate her. She whines it's because people are intimidated by her intellect and Mia tells her it's not that, it's because she's mean to everyone. I hated lily so much
It just occured to me that the one who made Mia cry was Lily! I mean the mean girls are foul as well but it's kinda expected of them To think that JOE notices that her own friend is putting her down and not the mean girls!
She also did production on the first Cheetah Girls film and Brandy’s Cinderella. I bet we would’ve gotten many more amazing films if she were still around!
Lily is that "i'm just being honest" friend when really they're rude and use that as an excuse and thinks she's "so real" when she is draining, toxic and doesn't really like her friend/s. I agree with you on that whole Ice Spice/Cleo ordeal, Cleo was friends with spice the entire time and thought she was special until it was her turn. I feel bad for her, but she saw who that girl was and brought up all of the things that happened prior to that incident. If I see you treat others badly and have no loyalty i'm not remaining friends with you
I have two friends like this one I cut off last year or maybe two ago but point is this one is getting. To that level of you don’t live me why don’t you come around blah blah I’m trying to live my life
Lily is the type of friend one gets when they have low self esteem and think 'hey, at least she tolerates me......'. So glad Mia evolved past that thinking!
I definitely had a friend like Lily and to this day she can’t say why she ended the friendship. It conveniently went down the drain after I got engaged, was accepted into my doctorate program and was asked to be in a mutual friend’s wedding but she wasn’t. It hurt me for a while. Watching this breakdown has given me further insight to understand it wasn’t a friendship with any longevity. 💗✨
Congratulations girl, that's incredible!!🎉 That was a blessing in disguise, she was never really your friend and couldn't be happy for you. Jealousy is cruel and friends like her don't like to see people excel because of their own failures
She's the reason why the saying who needs enemies when you have friends exist. Not to mention I remember thinking after I found out that the princess diaries was a book series maybe she was better than the books but oh no somehow it feels as if she was even worse. And it was the weirdest thing ever like why would you be upset about your friend blooming and coming into themselves when honestly you could also go through that journey with them but instead it was just like how dare you. And the reason why I was even worse in the books is because eventually Mia end up making friends with other girls and this just pisses Lily off even more and make sure even more of a hater yet somehow they still end up going back to being friends and it's like at that point just throw the whole friendship away.
She's such a hater for Mia getting a glowup bc she thinks they should be 'interesting' and 'alternative' bc straightening one's hair is a sign of being a 'sellout' to her narrowminded teenage self
I think at least the jealousy over her being friends with other girls is somewhat understandable. When you're a loser no one wants to talk to and you have one single friend, and that friend starts to get pretty and make new friends, suddenly you feel like an even bigger loser and you get afraid that your only friend will abandon you for a glow up, which leads to irrational thoughts.
This girl really said “ I thought you got over your father’s death it’s been TWO MONTHS and you never met him”! Naww she woulda got pushed in that street on “accident” ain’t no way you rushing somebody else grief 🙃
Ikr? It wasn’t like he utterly abandoned her, he was diligent her whole life in ensuring she had beautiful, thoughtful presents on her birthday, and took such care in writing her birthday cards because it was the one time of year he had permission to contact her. (Due to his deal with her mother, which, wow, such free thought, to write up a deal ensuring your daughter would pretty much never meet her father) Mia had every right to mourn, her whole life if she so choose. He made it clear every single time how much he loved her, and because of a tragic accident, she would never get to meet him, to have confirmation herself from him (although everyone around her did their best to ensure telling her how much he loved her every time.) Lily was such a massive b^tch for having the gall to spew such venom at her ‘best friend’. If I were Mia, I would have let the ‘best friend bracelet’ stay in the dirt, because that’s where Lily belonged for her abuse of Mia.
You're kidding right? Her dad was a literal stranger to her, she never ever met him. She mourned that she would never have that chance, but it's definitely something to be sad about for months. It would be different if she had met him, then there would actually be a loss there.
Book lilly was WAYYYY more heinous. She makes movie Lilly look like an angel It’s kinda funny cause in books, they reference the movie and Lilly is mad about how she got portrayed as “not supportive” of Mia when she had her makeover and was revealed to be a princess. Even though in the book, Lilly literally quit talking to Mia because Mia stood up for herself.
Omg I thought I was the only one that couldn’t stand Lily! She gave nothing but frenemy vibes. She insulted and berated her own friend for finally coming out of her shell and blossoming and only when she found out why, she then wanted to use her to be on her wack after school show! Lily was extremely self centered and self righteous 🤮
Lilly is way worse in the books. A few people called Lilly a bad friend or tell Mia how awful is Lilly being to Mia and Mia always defends her while acknowledging her flaws, like her being bossy and always pressuring Mia into things. I was glad when I found out that they stopped being friends especially when I found out Lilly was the one who made that "Mia sucks" website over a boy. They ended up being friends again, but luckily Lilly finally chilled out a bit. Too bad Tina wasn't seen as Mia's actual BFF because she has always been my favorite character and a way better friend for Mia. I think she was book exclusive.
I hated book Lily. In the books she was such a nasty person and went out of her way to be cruel to Mia. It drove me insane that Mia always ranked Tina Hakim Baba as lower than Lily on her list of people she loves. Tina was actually loyal and cared about Mia’s feelings. Mia only liked Lily cause they were friends when they were younger. Michael in the books was awful. I hated the age gap and how he treated Mia when she was hesitant to go all the way. He came off as a disgusting sleaze and the book took his side. It really was a bad message to tell readers.
@@Nightman221k Exactly! Tina was way more supportive friend than Lilly ever was. As for Michael, the age gap was questionable to some fans. Yes, SOME people because only a few people ever mention Michael's age. Either people never thought about it, did not care, or forgot that he's around 18 and Mia was about 14 or 15 when they started dating. I don't mind age gaps, but Mia was too young and immature for Michael. Him pressuring her for sex was slimey too. I liked the other guy, JP I think his name was, she started dating, but the author just had to make him a user all along.
@@dustymuffincop2481 I wish that the author had just had JP turn out to be a decent guy who wasn’t using Mia. I feel like Meg Cabot was trying to over completely for the fact that Michael was awful so she had to make JP worse to make Michael look better. At least before the JP reveal he had similar interests to Mia and was close in age to her. Michael made fun of Mia’s interests a lot or thought they were dumb and treated her like she owed him sex.
@@Nightman221k I agree. It sucks that Meg Cabot made JP into such a jerk in an effort to boost up Michael. Michael was slimey for pressuring his girlfriend for sex. As for him being unsupportive, JP was unsupportive maybe once or twice time versus the many times Michael wasn't. Yet Mia still gushes over Michael like no tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael thought Mia's book was cheesy and said what she wanted to hear to get her to like him back. I was disgusted when Michael still made moves on her despite her being in a relationship. It doesn't surprise me since he admitted he was sleeping with a girl with a boyfriend. He also is a piece of work for calling out Mia's dad for their contract but keeps trying to sleep with an underage girl. Michael was a walking red flag with a few good moments.
Lily is the kind of person who always tells one side of a story and wants people to sympathize with her but will never tell you what she did. I've met people like her in real life, they always find ways to make themselves feel like a victim and everyone else is wrong, they're draining and can't keep friends, partners and when their family tells them about themselves, they act just like Lily did with that bracelet and throw a tantrum. They always carry a dark energy with them and make people uneasy
I was a young adult when this movie came out... and I was so confused on what the movie was trying to say about Lily. As mean as Lana was, at least she was honest about her dislike of Mia, unlike Lily.. who was supposed to Mia's best friend.
@@anar8343 Yup! ua-cam.com/video/Yxca7R4u8tU/v-deo.html (In case this link doesn't work, this is a clip of Matarazzo at a podcast talking about how awful Lily was to Mia, particularly regarding her insensitivity towards the loss of Mia's father.)
“Who DESTROYED you?” has got to be one of the most blatantly rude things to say to someone’s face. She has no right to look down on the Lana girls, I’m not sure that they ever said anything as mean as that to or about Mia
I liked those moments in the books where Mia called out Lily for her bull. Like when Lily cheated on her boyfriend in the fifth book and says some sappy stuff to her boyfriend about how she loves the other guy, and then after the other guy dumps her and Lily's crying because she wants her boyfriend back, Lily's doing some crap about how she's like a restless bird and can't be tied down, Mia quips that Lily's ex is "more into the roosting type."
I had a friend kind of like Lily. I had a "best" friend in 5th grade who stopped hanging out with me the moment my grades got higher and I was making more friends. She told me she wanted us to be best friends back in the beginning of the second semester, then later suddenly didn't want to hang out with me, then she'd tell other girls at school that I was "following her". Apparently asking the person, who said herself that SHE wanted to be best friends, if they want to play with you more, maybe like 2 or 3 days a week, is "following"? I also noticed that she'd only accuse me of following her or get her other friend to "confront" me if I was playing with someone else the day prior when SHE wanted to play with me all of the sudden. She was rotten. She was fine with me when I was a shy loner known for finishing my work late, but once I started making more friends and doing better in my classes, while she was still doing badly in school, suddenly I was a burden to be around.
Wow, another video already 😍 thanks so much. Even in the book series Lily wasn’t nice. She just liked roasting celebrities and popular girls and gossiping badly about them. I think Mia felt tied to her since she wasn’t really “cool enough” for anyone else but Lily really got on my nerves. Her brother Michael was always sweet to Mia though, so I’m glad they got together. ❤️
This has nothing to do with the topic of the video, but I have to say that it always REALLY bothered me that they made it seem like "Oh, her hair is straightened so now she's pretty." 🙄 Textured hair is pretty, too!
@sanchisan6997 absolutely! Growing up with wavy/curly hair, I was so brainwashed by these kinds of movies and wishing I had stick-straight hair. But had I been born 20 years earlier, I would have reaped the benefits of big, wavy hair being the trend in the 80s.
@@choux8372 OMG YES. the late 90s/early 2000s had us convinced that sleek straight light blonde hair was all the rage. Nothing wrong with sleek straight light blonde hair, but i was genuinely confused why i was one of the fewer girls in my kindergarten class who didnt have that look. I spent years hiding my thick dark blonde waves behind a flat iron and was embarrassed by them. It took me a very long time to grow out of that phase. So glad i finally did though
I HATE Dijonay. At least LaCienega is honest about how she feels towards Penny, and doesn’t pretend to be her friend. Dijonay doesn’t deserve friends like Penny.
The wildest part is that in the book adaptation Lily is WORSE. She does some truly disturbing things that Mia just forgave her for. In the books Mia had a (really kind of immature) list ranking the people she loved and always had Lily ranked above her friend Tina who was actually loyal and supportive and never did anything cruel to Mia the way Lily did. Lily humiliated Mia in public numerous times, verbally browbeats her, and later starts a literal hate campaign website smearing and slandering her. The worst part? BOOK MIA FORGIVES LILY AND TAKES HER BACK. It’s so toxic. It drove me crazy reading the books cause both Lily and Michael were just the worst in the books. In the books Michael is a few years older than Mia and he kind of bullies her into feeling guilty when she doesn’t feel ready to have sex with him and the narrative of the books justifies his side over Mia’s feelings of not being ready. I actually don’t really hate Movie Lily cause she is an immature teen who does screw up but ultimately I think has Mia’s back and movie Michael is adorable. But god their versions in the books are detestable.
lily was an insecure not-like-other-girls try hard who was fine with mia as long as they were agreeing + on the same loser level. she’s like a crab in a bucket wanting to pull mia down and away from discovering a different side of herself. mia’s rant telling lily off was one of my favorite moments in the movie still!! mia was always a kind, smart, sweet girl who knew what she liked and just wanted to fit in, she was a romantic and (in a VERY relatable way) naive when she thought the cool ppl wanted to be her friend. she was always too good for lily
I love this take! I just rewatched this movie last week, and Lily’s mouth always got on my nerves but I never realized just how shitty of a friend she was to Mia. I’m so glad Mia got a boost in self-esteem, especially by the second movie. But I’m glad she did so in this movie without Lily’s encouragement and affirming like a true friend would. And I’m glad she told her to shut up when Lily kept going on and on about Mia’s new look. Lily was truly miserable and needed therapy.
Lily was envious and wanted Mia at her level. She didn't want her friend to surpass her and feared that she would get left behind. I understand her not wanting to lose a friend but she could've have talked to Mia about it. However, to expect Mia to dim her light shows how insecure and envious she was. She was envious of popular people not because they were mean but due to her social status. She felt that she was valid in her feelings and got mad when Mia didn't tell her everything. Mia had a right not to tell her everything, She was negative about everything its one thing to weigh the pro's and con's ,but she was one sided and was always judging. I had a friend that was super negative about things others did no matter how positive it was. However, she wanted everyone to support her poor choices that would always backfire. I recalled calling out her projections and left her. She would make snide remarks about college. She was bitter because I graduated twice and she dropped out. She didn't even try when encourage, she definitely prey on your downfall. However, I called out all of her failures and made a remark that my failures always shows effort but pays off. I agree with you on leaving people like this alone; some people change and some don't but once you cross that line with me its over. I forgive my friend that was like lily but I don't trust her. My advice is that we all have ups and downs but having somebody around that is hyper focused on you failing is weird. We've all had moments to where something didn't go as planned. These people want to focus on your failure but can't stand when you mention that romantic relationship, poor grades, losing something, and job loss of theirs. My ex friend lost all of her friends and she didn't have many to begin with. She would constantly try to belittle things and then copy cat it. There are signs please don't ignore it. She went from praising my every move to attacking it. She has lost multiple jobs, pets, cars, home , and boyfriend. My life and others lives were better because we took accountability, and we understood that it's better to fail than to have not tried. The crazy thing was even during my dark moments I was happy for her. I think this was why I got the better end of the stick, you can't lost when you're pure in your intentions. She lied about most of her blessings and they were always short lived, mostly bad karma due to her ways. She also tried to sneak around with a mutual friend's boyfriend. She almost got beaten up and recently she posted about getting cheated on. She also asked another mutual if she cared if she dated her ex. She always wanted what other had or has which is a red flag. she would try to sabotage people big event by purposely not showing up. She would call them and talk about herself and her events that she planned. Her parents ended up not attending her graduation at high school. She also ditched my friend's prom; He asked her to be his date and she waited super late to tell him she isn't going. She didn't congratulate, me until 3 months later after finishing college. My mom couldn't stand her and now I see what she was picking up on. I haven't returned her texts messages and this happened in 2019. She's famous for tying to come back after people cut her off.
Oh my! I'm glad you're out of that toxic friendship from that girl. Sometimes it's hard to take accountability but if you refuse to own up to your mistakes and move on and fix things in your life, well things won't end well there. No excuse for her to act like that towards you girl ❤ I'm glad you're happy now
You explaining their relationship dynamic is an example of why incel communities are so dangerous. They tear themselves and eachother down constantly and as soon as one of them wants to better themselves or improve themself the crab bucket mentality comes out and they try to pull them back down.
Yeah, that scene made me look at Lily sideways, Also when she wanted Mia to be a princess solely to help her cable show. The way she got so upset over Mia wanting to look different & get a new backpack, it's such a surface-level thing Mia's substance is still there.
Does Janice from Mean Girls count? That girl is so wrapped up in her identity as the "anti-regina" it hurts. Then again upon a rewatch you notice that Janice and Cady don't actually come off as friends at all, they barely get to interact with each other outside of school stuff and before infiltrating Regina's group that they don't really get to interact as friends, meaning when Janice later calls out Cady like she has abandoned them, i'm like, girl the only reason you two hang out was because of your plan to destroy Regina. Make up your mind! Then again i don't mind this character archetype it does provide conflict between characters, AS LONG as they get to be called out for their bs behavior and make up efforts to become better people.
@@DonyaleLuna27 i think Lily kinda got a bit better than Dodie, at least she admitted that she's jealous, insecure, and wished to be like Mia It's all in the character development which may be evident in a little dose
This is probably why and the other movie we did not see her anymore. Mia probably realized that Lily was a bad friend too bad Ginger didn't and her friendship with Dodie when she was in high school.
@@Faithandseekerofchrist wdym??? She actually had a fairly significant part in the 2nd movie, she surprises Mia in Genovia and is a much better friend, she definitely shows growth from her immature jealous high school self. It's really funny though how many people are completely forgetting that she's in the 2nd movie lmao
I had a friend like this. In that light I can't help but see lily in a sympathetic light. It stems from a deep inner hatred of themselves, and I'm glad that in the sequel she - despite her encouragements to cheat on her fiance 🙄- was supportive of Mia and tried her best to be a true friend. Nothing was out of malice or jealousy, but out of a flawed attempt to make her friend happy.
Lily always annoyed the hell out of me. I didn't have a friend like her in highschool, but I did have a boyfriend who acted just like that. I felt so bad for Mia.
She was so mean in the books as well. What made matters worse was the grandmother was so mean too and her parents didn’t protect her enough. I’m glad some characters changed in the movie…but not Lily. She stayed a mean girl in both versions 😂
You are so right !! The scene were lily speaks down on Mia’s dad only getting her small gifts here and there honestly triggered me ! Instead of coming at the situation like a friend and supporting Mia’s feelings and reminding her how amazing those small gestures were especially bc you can see how bad Mia struggles with not having her dad physically in her life . From someone who literally wishes my dad would even send a card I think it was a mean girl move on lilys part to say something so nasty .
Preach. Even as a kid I was like... Um, what. I had a friend like her. She was mad at everything I did that did not involve her. Eventually cut the whole friendship off and got better friends. Ones that weren't mad at me for existing.
I'm glad somebody else seen it too like they brought her back in the sequel like it's a surprise treat for the audience. She was hating on her glow up and then was eating up all the benefits of her being royalty afterwards like girl. She really gives me Patrick Star iykyk
I’m so glad someone still calls out how awful Lily was. Sadly, I could see today’s culture praising Lily as a “real one” and the best character. No, being a jerk is not charming. There’s a difference between not taking crap from people vs just being an awful person
I hated Lily so much, the only reason lily even apologized after insulting mia is because she found out mia was a princess and could use her. Lily was never mia's friend
i see/saw so much of myself in mia and i have definitely had a few lilys in my life who were haters but i didn't realize it until later. it also gives emma/manny from degrassi vibes because manny was emma's sidekick until manny wanted to forge her own path.
The way she just straight up destroyed Mia’s self confidence after her makeover was really horrifying to me. Seeing how Mia just completely fell apart after all the insults was genuinely upsetting. I’m glad Joe was there to pick her up.
I had a friend like this from middle school to high school. So glad I outgrew her. I always wonder how much better those years would have been if I’d actually had a real close friend.
Thanks for this video it’s provided some well needed context on something I didn’t realize I needed context on. I had a friend like Lily, but our friendship wasn’t based on mutual disdain but rather because our mothers were friends. Lily’s behavior always bothered me, but I couldn’t put a finger on why because that sort of behavior was so normalized in my life. I genuinely thought that’s just what friendship looked like. I never became successful like Mia, but I was used to having my smaller successes talked down or my interests and behavior mocked and policed. I cut ties with this friend gradually after middle school and we don’t speak anymore. It’s really sad because I do love her like a sister and I know where her pain comes from, but I can’t be friends with her and I hope she finds the healing I know she needs.
when I rewatched this movie as an adult I was pretty surprised by Lily's character. I didnt realize how much of a bully and hater she was as a kid LOL.
@@miagrass Nah… remember when Jane wanted to try out for track and Daria had a friggin’ tantrum over it because Jane was no longer just an outcast weird girl? She was actually trying something conventional and social, the opposite of what Daria is all about. It sent her into a frenzy. Then, remember when Daria fucked up their friendship by taking Jane’s shitty boyfriend instead of helping her see that he was a shitty person and Jane could’ve done so much better? But Daria didn’t know what was better for Jane, because Daria was a self-absorbed asshole just like Lily
This movie always made me uncomfortable because of characters like Lily. This movie accurately captured how some “mean girls” really act, and it just hits way too close to home for me lol
When I saw this actress in another movie called "Welcome to the Dollhouse" in that movie, she was treated and bullied terribly. I assume this was an indirect extension showing that she grew up into a mean person
Mia: had to go to a really important dinner that will determine the rest of her life. LilY: gets mad at Mia for not ditching it for her podcast no one listens to and only invited Mia on AFTER news of her being a princess came out, because she probably thought people would tune in for that.
@@phoebegilliland8897 the party that happens towards the end of the movie. She’s in the rain and in a broken down car. My point still stands. Lily never asked Mia to be on the show BEFORE. Only after she was outted as a princess. You think she’d want her ‘BEST FRIEND’ on the show? Lily strikes me as one one of those “I’m not like OTHER girls” girls, with the one line about Voltaire when people are giving Mia shit for having her hair straightened. Which I don’t get how mis thought she could hide that. I have have similar to her and even if she put it up it would DEFINITELY not fit under a hat like that.
I really appreciate the depth of character though. it reminds me of mean girls when you think the mean girls are the plastics but it’s everyone, particularly Janice too. good writing. also, as wrong as she was to behave that way, she was right to notice that something was being hidden from her and wasn’t quite right. though her negative feelings overrode the way she should have addressed it.
This kind of reminds me of my sister ngl 😞. One minute she’s kind and the next she flips out on me and it hurts my feelings fr. If I stand up for myself she’ll get loud and become even worse and mean. Sometimes your biggest bullies are the ones in your own household too. 😞 but I still love my sister, just wish she wasn’t so flip flop.
Making Mia cry and not immediately stopping and apologizing is what cemented it for me. I’ve seen friendships where either one or both friends tag on each other or look like sarcastic a-holes from the outside but the difference is when one person accidentally took their friendly banter too far, they acknowledge their mess up and remedy the situation because they don’t want to actually hurt their friends. Lily wanted to hurt Mia. She wanted Mia to feel bad about her new look.
The Princess Diaries is my absolute favorite movie and every time I watch it I’m so mad Mia didn’t push Lily off them bleachers 😭 this is why I had more respect for Lana bc at the very least she was honestly about her dislike for Mia
I’m glad you made a video about this. Unfortunately it’s relatable to be around negative “friends” like this. Mia is a sweetheart and Lily is a narcissist.
Lily's remarks always felt malevolent to me in the film. I kept asking myself if she's Mia's best friend, why is she being so mean to her? And when she ended their friendship I felt Mia was free of her manipulation and jealousy.
I grew up with friends like Lily. I remember not having time to do my makeup before school and bringing it with me to do in the bathroom. My friend at the time said, “Oh so you’re becoming one of THOSE girls.” It really sucked.
I recently had to let a friend like this go and she still didn't get it. The bottom line is, real friends will not be like Lily to you if you're trying to better yourself and grow up 💯
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Lily was 🗑 she was always looking at Mia with jealous eyes and if you ask me she was worse than the mean girls at school and loved hiding behind the -I'm different/speak my mind- persona yet they're miserable. Mia looked Good and she was pressed
This video is like SO validating to me cuz I've had this opinion forEVER but I thought I was the only one! It's so nice to see other people here also felt the same way! (Raymond Holt voice) VINDICATION!
Also her movie the devil wears Prada, her friends were like that too. She literally was moving up as an adult, and they, who didn't pay her bills, wanted her to stay stagnant
Even as a little girl watching this movie, I KNEW something was right with home girl. I couldn’t stand her character lol now I realize why! I peeped her disdain at an early age. She lucky our girl Mia kept her around as long as she did!
i remember reading the books the movie is based on, there are (were) about 10 of them, and in later books Lily and Mia definitely had a falling out and Lily was quite unhinged
Telling your friend that she looks “ridiculous” because she straightened her hair is outrageous. Even as a kid I clocked the jealousy!
When I was a kid I got my hair straightened for picture day (I had thick curly hair that would turn into a fro in the Texas heat) and I got nothing but compliments from my classmates.
@@therealopaartist love that for you! Especially as a fellow Texan 💖
Yea but Lily had straight hair but maybe she liked Mia’s curls and she was different?
@@oooh19 no. She knew that Mia was going to turn heads with her new hair style and was jealous
@@oooh19 A good friend would be happy for her but I can see a good friend also saying but you’re also just as beautiful with your natural curls ❤️
Lily was like a precursor to the friends Andy had in the Devil Wears Prada. Nothing but a hater because Mia was able to blossom and find confidence in herself. Lily is that type of girl that is basic but keeps girls like mia around because they would be considered the "ugly wallflower."
Honeyyy that’s all I could think about when doing this video, they did my girl so wrong. Lily was definitely the type, to try to block your blessings, and didn’t want you to flourish.
It's literally the only personality trait she has!
The friends in DWP weren’t like that. Though Lily in Princess Diaries definitely was…in the first movie
YES!! This was a recent shower thought lol bc they were all such haters & didn’t get the downfall they deserved
@@violetlavi2207 what do you mean?
They themselves were employed in the New York arts and culinary scene, which are basically married at the levels they were operating in.
They all knew what it was like working for a demanding boss.
They all knew of the infamy of her devil boss.
AND YET THEY WERE THE WORST TO HER ABOUT TRIVIAL SHIT LIKE CELEBRATING YOUR BIRTHDAY ON THE EXACT DAY,
LIKE HE WAS SOME CHILD AND NOT A GROWN MAN WITH RESPONSIBILITIES!
They received the benefits from her job,
But they tagged on her for being dedicated to the job,
EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW HOW DEMANDING IT WOULD BE BEFORE SHE EVEN ACCEPTED THE POSITION!
YALL..
Are you for real?
Had it been the other way around ANDY would’ve been understanding and flexible so as to accommodate their work schedule, which also would facilitate in THEM ACHIEVING THEIR LINGTERM DREAMS AND GOALS IN THE BIG APPLE,
BUT THEY DIDNT DO THAT FOR HER!
THEY GUILT TRIPPED AND GAS LIT HER,
KNOWING THAT THE ONLY REASON WHY SHE WAS TAKING THAT GOD AWFUL INFAMOUS ACROSS INDUSTRIES JOB
- imagine how horrible an ASISSTANT’s job must be in order for it to be known across industries, let alone in multiple departments and companies of a singular industry.-
WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS USING IT AS A STEPPING STONE IN HER CAREER PATH!
IT WASN’T EVEN HER DREAM JOB!
SHE TOOK THAT JOB KNOWING ITD BE A SEASON OF SUFFERING IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE HER LONGTERM GOALS,
AND THEY KNEW THIS!
THEY KNEW SHE WAS GETTING NOTHING BUT STRESS FROM THAT JOB,
AND LIKE THE AWFUL FRIEND THEY WERE THEY CHOSE TO WITHHOLD LOVING KINDNESS AND MERCY FROM HER, WITHHOLDING UNDERSTANDING,
AND DECIDED TO BE THE ADDITIONAL STRESS IN HER LIFE.
THEY DIDNT SUPPORT HER AT ALL.
THEY TOOK THE GIFTS FROM HER JOB WHICH THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT,
BUT THEY DID NOT SUPPORT HER,
NOT EVEN EMOTIONALLY.
I WAS SO PISSED THAT SHE GOT BACK WITH NATE!
THAT WAS A BOY PRETENDING TO BE A MAN!
Ugh…I weep for you because you are so blind that you can’t even recognize good friends.
I weep because that’s VERY telling of who you have chosen to surround yourself with.
I weep because before I understood myself what a good friend was I TOO thought Andy’s friends were good friends and weren’t that bad.
I was accepting a lot of bullshit behaviors from those in my life at the time, and I thought it was love.
I weep because you seem to lack the discernment of a true friend. May you be blessed with that and the eyes to see.
I remembered when I first saw this movie, I didn’t like her as soon as she started to insult Mia after her glow up. I was expecting her to compliment her and be excited for her
@@marleneromero4162 me too she always kept knocking her down
she does redeem herself in the class scene where Lily defends Mia after she's forced to remove her hat exposing her new makeover
I always thought it was because she thought Mia sold out and was trying to fit in or something
she was a massive hypocrite. She hated on everyone for absolutely nothing. She was bitter due to her own flaws this was a gross flaw.
@@erzascarlet03 I think that was part of her motivation but that does not give her the right to speak to Mia that way and then constantly berate and insult her to the point of tears. Friends should never talk like that to each other.
Two months is not enough time to get over the death of a family member, no matter how close you are or aren’t, that’s not just mean girl behaviour that’s sociopathic. Hell even the mean girls didn’t go that far
True. And to be mad at someone for not being "over it" within a time frame that's convenient for you? Then tell her that her pain is invalid and the relationship didn't matter???? Horrible.
Right? And the death of a parent??? That’s so cruel. 💔
Lily was the real bully
I’m still not over them killing off Andrea in the walking dead and that was like 10 years ago
@@juliawidmaier5334 and Mia deserved all the time she needed. It was her father after all.
Lily was jealous and insensitive.
OMG I didn’t even notice that line about Mia’s grief until now. 😮 But I lost respect for her with the way she treated Mia when she missed their interview due to the beach party going wrong and the subsequent tabloid fodder. I would’ve been sympathetic if I found out my friend was in an awful situation like that.
@@JuriAmari ok?? Lily acted like she knew everything, when she was really a hater, a bad friend and just plain rude. With a capital R. It was the hair & the dad comment for me.
Ohhhhh I couldn’t stand Lily! she was so bitter and hateful towards Mia who was a sweetheart, Mia did not deserve any of that. She not only had people at school bullying her but her OWN BFF 🤦🏽♀️ Lily and Janis are the same people I swear lol
Omg yes!! both just wallowing in misery and wanting everyone to feel the exact same way.
I actually think where Janis differs is that she acknowledged she was a mean girl and didn’t have a desire to be popular. She was more secure in herself. Lily, however, thought she was on “the right side” while judging everyone around her and acted like she was above popularity while secretly craving it. Her insecurities were on display every time she opened her mouth.
@@dolphinsky24 While I agree that Janis owned the fact that she was a mean girl, it still doesn’t change the fact that she was one and believed because she wasn’t a “girly girl” it separated her from the other girls because she didn’t fit in. Janis plotted on Regina, granted she had her reasons but she didn’t mind using someone else for her revenge. They don’t have many differences except for the fact that Janis was open about the fact that she was a mean girl and a manipulator and didn’t even acknowledge it until Cady said what she said to her. Janis may not have wanted popularity because she had it before, but she also didn’t want others to have it because she was insecure and had an issue with hyperfeminine girly girls and constantly shamed them.. when you’reSECURE in yourself you don’t need to shame and bad mouth others who don’t act,think or dress like you. Real security in yourself knows that you have flaws, but you don’t project onto others and try to bring them down but you love yourself through your flaws
@@Princessdollamanda was Janis trying to be “not like other girls” tho? Regina made her an outsider (by claiming Janis was a lesbian and in love with her), which clearly upset her and she changed her appearance in response. Also, Janis was mean to everyone. It wasn’t just hyperfeminine girls. Perhaps, secure wasn’t the right word. She owned who she was more than Lily did.
@@dolphinsky24 Regardless of what it is she was a nasty person so because it’s EVERYONE it makes it okay? Okay so Regina made her an outsider which was not okay, but what does that have to do with everyone else who is genuinely nice to her? Ol girl was just as miserable as Lily period, no matter how you spin it, flip it and reverse it. Being mean to everyone makes it better ? No it shows your character and she was friends with Regina before all of that took place and I’m pretty sure she watched her treat others that way and took part in it too, but like iconically said it’s all fine and dandy until it’s flipped onto you and you’re now the person they mistreat. Janis was no different like I said and I stand on that
In the books it is implied that both girls were mainly friends because of their love for activism. Mia dreams of working for greenpeace and Lily uses Mia as a pawn in her own projects to get more revenue. And not in a 50/50 kind of way.
@@serenitysubs933 also in the books Mia and Lilly stop being friends for a good chunk of time and Mia actually starts getting along with mean girl Lana after they get over their differences! I'm not sure if I remember it clearly but it was implied that though Mia and Lilly reconcile in the end they're not besties anymore.
@@writerwiles2406 there's a lot of mia as an adult content that meg has published to this day!
There's a book??? Is it the same name as the movie?
@@Authorthings it's a whole series! yes, the same name :)
@@Authorthings the movie was based on the book series! Though the father is still alive in them, they killed him off in the movie (the author agreed when she found out it would mean that Julie Andrews got more screen time lol). The books are aimed at young adults or teens, but it's still enjoyable
When she said to Mia “What did you just say to me” after Mia rightfully clocked her being a hater let me know that she never got checked, she thought it was okay to speak to Mia in that manner because Mia was the kind one who avoided conflict. Then her saying “it’s not attractive” after Michael complimented her was nothing but pure jealousy and I would’ve put her raggedy a*s out of the limo and left her on the corner lmao.
- I just don’t understand how she saw her friend crying from what SHE SAID TO HER and didn’t even apologize, she would just make excuses for her behavior
And she only stopped with the insults and hate after finding out Mia was actually a princess and was going to be named heir to the throne of her late father's kingdom. Only after finding out did she go from insulting Mia to defending her new look from others making remarks about the sudden change in appearance. That's pretty telling that she felt fine insulting Mia about her glow up when she thought she was just a "nobody", but then suddenly changed tune after finding out her friend was about to become a very powerful and potentially influential figure.
A lot of people get very defensive and have no idea how to say sorry.
She was even worse in the book!
I only ever watched the movie (on repeat lol) back in the day, but the characters are usually worse in the books.
@@Sarabibliomania1 what did she do?
@nnolaa i think she made a hate site against Mia at one point. I havent read the books in over 10 years but that sticks out for some reason
@@nnolaa she also made Mia run for student president just to use her as a puppet.
@@bethanyvarre9142 And she whines that she can't run herself because other kids hate her. She whines it's because people are intimidated by her intellect and Mia tells her it's not that, it's because she's mean to everyone. I hated lily so much
SHE MADE MIA CRY AND JOE NOTICED. That ain’t a real friend. She really was a hater 🤔
Honestly, I’m surprised Joe didn’t “politely” put her walking
It just occured to me that the one who made Mia cry was Lily! I mean the mean girls are foul as well but it's kinda expected of them
To think that JOE notices that her own friend is putting her down and not the mean girls!
Fun fact: Whitney Houston executive produce the Princess Diaries 🥰🥰🥰
Aww definitely a fun fact! I didn’t know that
She also did production on the first Cheetah Girls film and Brandy’s Cinderella. I bet we would’ve gotten many more amazing films if she were still around!
@@Likelyfairy Also the Cheetah Girls flim as well
@@JuriAmariAgreed🎯🎯
@@Likelyfairy Yeah I know right! Once I found out I watched the movies
Lily is that "i'm just being honest" friend when really they're rude and use that as an excuse and thinks she's "so real" when she is draining, toxic and doesn't really like her friend/s. I agree with you on that whole Ice Spice/Cleo ordeal, Cleo was friends with spice the entire time and thought she was special until it was her turn. I feel bad for her, but she saw who that girl was and brought up all of the things that happened prior to that incident. If I see you treat others badly and have no loyalty i'm not remaining friends with you
I had a friend like this
I have two friends like this one I cut off last year or maybe two ago but point is this one is getting. To that level of you don’t live me why don’t you come around blah blah I’m trying to live my life
If the real her is toxic and rude, then she is in fact being honest.
Lily is the type of friend one gets when they have low self esteem and think 'hey, at least she tolerates me......'. So glad Mia evolved past that thinking!
I definitely had a friend like Lily and to this day she can’t say why she ended the friendship. It conveniently went down the drain after I got engaged, was accepted into my doctorate program and was asked to be in a mutual friend’s wedding but she wasn’t. It hurt me for a while. Watching this breakdown has given me further insight to understand it wasn’t a friendship with any longevity. 💗✨
Congratulations girl, that's incredible!!🎉 That was a blessing in disguise, she was never really your friend and couldn't be happy for you. Jealousy is cruel and friends like her don't like to see people excel because of their own failures
Happiness breeds jealousy ❤ Congratulations 🎉👏😊❤
The trash took itself out 😂
@@BlooodhailExactly. This lady got blessed so good, that "friend" couldn't handle it. 🙏🏾
She's the reason why the saying who needs enemies when you have friends exist. Not to mention I remember thinking after I found out that the princess diaries was a book series maybe she was better than the books but oh no somehow it feels as if she was even worse.
And it was the weirdest thing ever like why would you be upset about your friend blooming and coming into themselves when honestly you could also go through that journey with them but instead it was just like how dare you. And the reason why I was even worse in the books is because eventually Mia end up making friends with other girls and this just pisses Lily off even more and make sure even more of a hater yet somehow they still end up going back to being friends and it's like at that point just throw the whole friendship away.
She's such a hater for Mia getting a glowup bc she thinks they should be 'interesting' and 'alternative' bc straightening one's hair is a sign of being a 'sellout' to her narrowminded teenage self
I think at least the jealousy over her being friends with other girls is somewhat understandable. When you're a loser no one wants to talk to and you have one single friend, and that friend starts to get pretty and make new friends, suddenly you feel like an even bigger loser and you get afraid that your only friend will abandon you for a glow up, which leads to irrational thoughts.
This girl really said “ I thought you got over your father’s death it’s been TWO MONTHS and you never met him”! Naww she woulda got pushed in that street on “accident” ain’t no way you rushing somebody else grief 🙃
Ikr? It wasn’t like he utterly abandoned her, he was diligent her whole life in ensuring she had beautiful, thoughtful presents on her birthday, and took such care in writing her birthday cards because it was the one time of year he had permission to contact her. (Due to his deal with her mother, which, wow, such free thought, to write up a deal ensuring your daughter would pretty much never meet her father)
Mia had every right to mourn, her whole life if she so choose. He made it clear every single time how much he loved her, and because of a tragic accident, she would never get to meet him, to have confirmation herself from him (although everyone around her did their best to ensure telling her how much he loved her every time.)
Lily was such a massive b^tch for having the gall to spew such venom at her ‘best friend’. If I were Mia, I would have let the ‘best friend bracelet’ stay in the dirt, because that’s where Lily belonged for her abuse of Mia.
You're kidding right? Her dad was a literal stranger to her, she never ever met him. She mourned that she would never have that chance, but it's definitely something to be sad about for months. It would be different if she had met him, then there would actually be a loss there.
Book lilly was WAYYYY more heinous. She makes movie Lilly look like an angel
It’s kinda funny cause in books, they reference the movie and Lilly is mad about how she got portrayed as “not supportive” of Mia when she had her makeover and was revealed to be a princess. Even though in the book, Lilly literally quit talking to Mia because Mia stood up for herself.
Omg I thought I was the only one that couldn’t stand Lily! She gave nothing but frenemy vibes. She insulted and berated her own friend for finally coming out of her shell and blossoming and only when she found out why, she then wanted to use her to be on her wack after school show! Lily was extremely self centered and self righteous 🤮
Lilly is way worse in the books. A few people called Lilly a bad friend or tell Mia how awful is Lilly being to Mia and Mia always defends her while acknowledging her flaws, like her being bossy and always pressuring Mia into things. I was glad when I found out that they stopped being friends especially when I found out Lilly was the one who made that "Mia sucks" website over a boy. They ended up being friends again, but luckily Lilly finally chilled out a bit. Too bad Tina wasn't seen as Mia's actual BFF because she has always been my favorite character and a way better friend for Mia. I think she was book exclusive.
I hated book Lily. In the books she was such a nasty person and went out of her way to be cruel to Mia. It drove me insane that Mia always ranked Tina Hakim Baba as lower than Lily on her list of people she loves. Tina was actually loyal and cared about Mia’s feelings. Mia only liked Lily cause they were friends when they were younger. Michael in the books was awful. I hated the age gap and how he treated Mia when she was hesitant to go all the way. He came off as a disgusting sleaze and the book took his side. It really was a bad message to tell readers.
@@Nightman221k Exactly! Tina was way more supportive friend than Lilly ever was. As for Michael, the age gap was questionable to some fans. Yes, SOME people because only a few people ever mention Michael's age. Either people never thought about it, did not care, or forgot that he's around 18 and Mia was about 14 or 15 when they started dating. I don't mind age gaps, but Mia was too young and immature for Michael. Him pressuring her for sex was slimey too. I liked the other guy, JP I think his name was, she started dating, but the author just had to make him a user all along.
@@dustymuffincop2481 I wish that the author had just had JP turn out to be a decent guy who wasn’t using Mia. I feel like Meg Cabot was trying to over completely for the fact that Michael was awful so she had to make JP worse to make Michael look better. At least before the JP reveal he had similar interests to Mia and was close in age to her. Michael made fun of Mia’s interests a lot or thought they were dumb and treated her like she owed him sex.
@@Nightman221k I agree. It sucks that Meg Cabot made JP into such a jerk in an effort to boost up Michael. Michael was slimey for pressuring his girlfriend for sex. As for him being unsupportive, JP was unsupportive maybe once or twice time versus the many times Michael wasn't. Yet Mia still gushes over Michael like no tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael thought Mia's book was cheesy and said what she wanted to hear to get her to like him back. I was disgusted when Michael still made moves on her despite her being in a relationship. It doesn't surprise me since he admitted he was sleeping with a girl with a boyfriend. He also is a piece of work for calling out Mia's dad for their contract but keeps trying to sleep with an underage girl. Michael was a walking red flag with a few good moments.
Mia is such a sweetheart, she didn't deserve that.
Yeah It was bad seeing mia go through that
@@angelaholmes8888 I know, right? I hate how she was treated in the movie.
Lily is the kind of person who always tells one side of a story and wants people to sympathize with her but will never tell you what she did. I've met people like her in real life, they always find ways to make themselves feel like a victim and everyone else is wrong, they're draining and can't keep friends, partners and when their family tells them about themselves, they act just like Lily did with that bracelet and throw a tantrum. They always carry a dark energy with them and make people uneasy
I was a young adult when this movie came out... and I was so confused on what the movie was trying to say about Lily. As mean as Lana was, at least she was honest about her dislike of Mia, unlike Lily.. who was supposed to Mia's best friend.
Even Heather Matarazzo said that Lily was a bad friend!
Really?
@@anar8343 Yup! ua-cam.com/video/Yxca7R4u8tU/v-deo.html
(In case this link doesn't work, this is a clip of Matarazzo at a podcast talking about how awful Lily was to Mia, particularly regarding her insensitivity towards the loss of Mia's father.)
“Who DESTROYED you?” has got to be one of the most blatantly rude things to say to someone’s face. She has no right to look down on the Lana girls, I’m not sure that they ever said anything as mean as that to or about Mia
I liked those moments in the books where Mia called out Lily for her bull. Like when Lily cheated on her boyfriend in the fifth book and says some sappy stuff to her boyfriend about how she loves the other guy, and then after the other guy dumps her and Lily's crying because she wants her boyfriend back, Lily's doing some crap about how she's like a restless bird and can't be tied down, Mia quips that Lily's ex is "more into the roosting type."
Maaaan when she wouldn’t shut up after seeing Mia’s new look 😂 I’m glad Mia told her off but her ass would’ve been walking to school that day 😂
True! Mia gave her a ride and what she did in return was calling her a poser? Just bc she had a makeover?! Talk about ungrateful
I had a friend kind of like Lily. I had a "best" friend in 5th grade who stopped hanging out with me the moment my grades got higher and I was making more friends. She told me she wanted us to be best friends back in the beginning of the second semester, then later suddenly didn't want to hang out with me, then she'd tell other girls at school that I was "following her". Apparently asking the person, who said herself that SHE wanted to be best friends, if they want to play with you more, maybe like 2 or 3 days a week, is "following"? I also noticed that she'd only accuse me of following her or get her other friend to "confront" me if I was playing with someone else the day prior when SHE wanted to play with me all of the sudden. She was rotten.
She was fine with me when I was a shy loner known for finishing my work late, but once I started making more friends and doing better in my classes, while she was still doing badly in school, suddenly I was a burden to be around.
Wow, another video already 😍 thanks so much. Even in the book series Lily wasn’t nice. She just liked roasting celebrities and popular girls and gossiping badly about them. I think Mia felt tied to her since she wasn’t really “cool enough” for anyone else but Lily really got on my nerves. Her brother Michael was always sweet to Mia though, so I’m glad they got together. ❤️
🩷✨. I agree completely she felt like Lily was the only friend she had or could have, when in all actuality, she was the likable one.
This has nothing to do with the topic of the video, but I have to say that it always REALLY bothered me that they made it seem like "Oh, her hair is straightened so now she's pretty." 🙄 Textured hair is pretty, too!
@sanchisan6997 absolutely! Growing up with wavy/curly hair, I was so brainwashed by these kinds of movies and wishing I had stick-straight hair. But had I been born 20 years earlier, I would have reaped the benefits of big, wavy hair being the trend in the 80s.
@@choux8372 OMG YES. the late 90s/early 2000s had us convinced that sleek straight light blonde hair was all the rage. Nothing wrong with sleek straight light blonde hair, but i was genuinely confused why i was one of the fewer girls in my kindergarten class who didnt have that look. I spent years hiding my thick dark blonde waves behind a flat iron and was embarrassed by them. It took me a very long time to grow out of that phase. So glad i finally did though
@@sanchisan6997 it’s really not that deep
@@lucely_L It is thought. I too got the same impression as a kid that straighter is better. Her natural curly hair never came back in part 2 either.
Thank you! Lilly was a hater. Just like Dodie was to Ginger and Dijonay at times to Penny.
I was just about to bring up Dijonay
DODIE COULD CATCH THESE HANDS THO
@@serenitymoon825 she can catch this bat 🏏
I HATE Dijonay. At least LaCienega is honest about how she feels towards Penny, and doesn’t pretend to be her friend. Dijonay doesn’t deserve friends like Penny.
Dodie and Dijonay are the opposite ends of the same battery!!!!!
The wildest part is that in the book adaptation Lily is WORSE. She does some truly disturbing things that Mia just forgave her for. In the books Mia had a (really kind of immature) list ranking the people she loved and always had Lily ranked above her friend Tina who was actually loyal and supportive and never did anything cruel to Mia the way Lily did. Lily humiliated Mia in public numerous times, verbally browbeats her, and later starts a literal hate campaign website smearing and slandering her. The worst part? BOOK MIA FORGIVES LILY AND TAKES HER BACK. It’s so toxic. It drove me crazy reading the books cause both Lily and Michael were just the worst in the books. In the books Michael is a few years older than Mia and he kind of bullies her into feeling guilty when she doesn’t feel ready to have sex with him and the narrative of the books justifies his side over Mia’s feelings of not being ready.
I actually don’t really hate Movie Lily cause she is an immature teen who does screw up but ultimately I think has Mia’s back and movie Michael is adorable. But god their versions in the books are detestable.
I was thinking about reading the books for the first time, but I think I'll pass.
I suddenly have so much more appreciation for the second movie setting Mia up with the crown rival instead of Micheal.
lily was an insecure not-like-other-girls try hard who was fine with mia as long as they were agreeing + on the same loser level. she’s like a crab in a bucket wanting to pull mia down and away from discovering a different side of herself.
mia’s rant telling lily off was one of my favorite moments in the movie still!! mia was always a kind, smart, sweet girl who knew what she liked and just wanted to fit in, she was a romantic and (in a VERY relatable way) naive when she thought the cool ppl wanted to be her friend. she was always too good for lily
This is why i can forgive the writing about these two. Mia blew up and finally called her out. Unlike Dodie who was never getting called out by Ginger
I love this take! I just rewatched this movie last week, and Lily’s mouth always got on my nerves but I never realized just how shitty of a friend she was to Mia. I’m so glad Mia got a boost in self-esteem, especially by the second movie. But I’m glad she did so in this movie without Lily’s encouragement and affirming like a true friend would. And I’m glad she told her to shut up when Lily kept going on and on about Mia’s new look. Lily was truly miserable and needed therapy.
I always liked how they wrote Lily as it reflected just how unappreciated Mia was that her "best friend" didn't even respect her.
as the say goes "talking about someone else's life won't get you a life.." lily sucks
Lily was envious and wanted Mia at her level. She didn't want her friend to surpass her and feared that she would get left behind. I understand her not wanting to lose a friend but she could've have talked to Mia about it. However, to expect Mia to dim her light shows how insecure and envious she was. She was envious of popular people not because they were mean but due to her social status. She felt that she was valid in her feelings and got mad when Mia didn't tell her everything. Mia had a right not to tell her everything, She was negative about everything its one thing to weigh the pro's and con's ,but she was one sided and was always judging. I had a friend that was super negative about things others did no matter how positive it was. However, she wanted everyone to support her poor choices that would always backfire. I recalled calling out her projections and left her. She would make snide remarks about college. She was bitter because I graduated twice and she dropped out. She didn't even try when encourage, she definitely prey on your downfall. However, I called out all of her failures and made a remark that my failures always shows effort but pays off. I agree with you on leaving people like this alone; some people change and some don't but once you cross that line with me its over. I forgive my friend that was like lily but I don't trust her. My advice is that we all have ups and downs but having somebody around that is hyper focused on you failing is weird. We've all had moments to where something didn't go as planned. These people want to focus on your failure but can't stand when you mention that romantic relationship, poor grades, losing something, and job loss of theirs. My ex friend lost all of her friends and she didn't have many to begin with. She would constantly try to belittle things and then copy cat it. There are signs please don't ignore it. She went from praising my every move to attacking it. She has lost multiple jobs, pets, cars, home , and boyfriend. My life and others lives were better because we took accountability, and we understood that it's better to fail than to have not tried. The crazy thing was even during my dark moments I was happy for her. I think this was why I got the better end of the stick, you can't lost when you're pure in your intentions. She lied about most of her blessings and they were always short lived, mostly bad karma due to her ways. She also tried to sneak around with a mutual friend's boyfriend. She almost got beaten up and recently she posted about getting cheated on. She also asked another mutual if she cared if she dated her ex. She always wanted what other had or has which is a red flag. she would try to sabotage people big event by purposely not showing up. She would call them and talk about herself and her events that she planned. Her parents ended up not attending her graduation at high school. She also ditched my friend's prom; He asked her to be his date and she waited super late to tell him she isn't going. She didn't congratulate, me until 3 months later after finishing college. My mom couldn't stand her and now I see what she was picking up on. I haven't returned her texts messages and this happened in 2019. She's famous for tying to come back after people cut her off.
*lose, other's had - excused the grammar errors
Oh my! I'm glad you're out of that toxic friendship from that girl. Sometimes it's hard to take accountability but if you refuse to own up to your mistakes and move on and fix things in your life, well things won't end well there. No excuse for her to act like that towards you girl ❤ I'm glad you're happy now
You explaining their relationship dynamic is an example of why incel communities are so dangerous. They tear themselves and eachother down constantly and as soon as one of them wants to better themselves or improve themself the crab bucket mentality comes out and they try to pull them back down.
Lily was literally the worst friend ever. An Opp if you will
Yeah, that scene made me look at Lily sideways, Also when she wanted Mia to be a princess solely to help her cable show. The way she got so upset over Mia wanting to look different & get a new backpack, it's such a surface-level thing Mia's substance is still there.
This video reminds me of my disdain of Doodie from As Told By Ginger.. now that would be a good video
About time you did a video about Lily girlllllll she would’ve got these hands like she wasn’t a real friend I hated her 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺❤️❤️
She was the absolute worst! I don’t understand why Mia remained friends with her.
@@iconicallyiconicthat part sis 🥺❤️
And her personality really didn't help that hair. Yikes 😬
Lily is the type of person even I would have given the Rowley treatment.
“You know what, you’re not a good friend.”
Does Janice from Mean Girls count? That girl is so wrapped up in her identity as the "anti-regina" it hurts. Then again upon a rewatch you notice that Janice and Cady don't actually come off as friends at all, they barely get to interact with each other outside of school stuff and before infiltrating Regina's group that they don't really get to interact as friends, meaning when Janice later calls out Cady like she has abandoned them, i'm like, girl the only reason you two hang out was because of your plan to destroy Regina. Make up your mind!
Then again i don't mind this character archetype it does provide conflict between characters, AS LONG as they get to be called out for their bs behavior and make up efforts to become better people.
So glad I was not the only one who hated Lily. She was a horrible person
That bag scene had me weak because I too had one of those bags lmao barely fit any books but I was fly.
The real life Dodie Bishop!
@@DonyaleLuna27 Facts even looks like her😶😶🥴
Yoooo 😂😂😂 you’re dead right, Dodie was the WORST person on that show.
@@DonyaleLuna27 i think Lily kinda got a bit better than Dodie, at least she admitted that she's jealous, insecure, and wished to be like Mia
It's all in the character development which may be evident in a little dose
This is probably why and the other movie we did not see her anymore. Mia probably realized that Lily was a bad friend too bad Ginger didn't and her friendship with Dodie when she was in high school.
Lily was in the sequel.
@@Faithandseekerofchrist wdym??? She actually had a fairly significant part in the 2nd movie, she surprises Mia in Genovia and is a much better friend, she definitely shows growth from her immature jealous high school self. It's really funny though how many people are completely forgetting that she's in the 2nd movie lmao
I had a friend like this. In that light I can't help but see lily in a sympathetic light. It stems from a deep inner hatred of themselves, and I'm glad that in the sequel she - despite her encouragements to cheat on her fiance 🙄- was supportive of Mia and tried her best to be a true friend. Nothing was out of malice or jealousy, but out of a flawed attempt to make her friend happy.
Lily always annoyed the hell out of me. I didn't have a friend like her in highschool, but I did have a boyfriend who acted just like that. I felt so bad for Mia.
She was so mean in the books as well. What made matters worse was the grandmother was so mean too and her parents didn’t protect her enough. I’m glad some characters changed in the movie…but not Lily. She stayed a mean girl in both versions 😂
You are so right !! The scene were lily speaks down on Mia’s dad only getting her small gifts here and there honestly triggered me ! Instead of coming at the situation like a friend and supporting Mia’s feelings and reminding her how amazing those small gestures were especially bc you can see how bad Mia struggles with not having her dad physically in her life . From someone who literally wishes my dad would even send a card I think it was a mean girl move on lilys part to say something so nasty .
I hated her the minute she told her friend to get over her father’s recent death. Like what? I was so shocked and that was one of her FIRST scenes.
Mia was such a good friend too and it was sad 6:34 how she was scared to be herself around her especially speaking up for herself
Preach. Even as a kid I was like... Um, what.
I had a friend like her. She was mad at everything I did that did not involve her. Eventually cut the whole friendship off and got better friends. Ones that weren't mad at me for existing.
I'm glad somebody else seen it too like they brought her back in the sequel like it's a surprise treat for the audience. She was hating on her glow up and then was eating up all the benefits of her being royalty afterwards like girl. She really gives me Patrick Star iykyk
I’m so glad someone still calls out how awful Lily was. Sadly, I could see today’s culture praising Lily as a “real one” and the best character. No, being a jerk is not charming. There’s a difference between not taking crap from people vs just being an awful person
I hated Lily so much, the only reason lily even apologized after insulting mia is because she found out mia was a princess and could use her. Lily was never mia's friend
I couldn’t agree with you more!! That scene about Mia’s father’s death always made me so mad! Lilly needed a chill pill or something. 😂
i see/saw so much of myself in mia and i have definitely had a few lilys in my life who were haters but i didn't realize it until later. it also gives emma/manny from degrassi vibes because manny was emma's sidekick until manny wanted to forge her own path.
The way she just straight up destroyed Mia’s self confidence after her makeover was really horrifying to me. Seeing how Mia just completely fell apart after all the insults was genuinely upsetting.
I’m glad Joe was there to pick her up.
This is one of my favorite Disney movies. Anne Hathaway and Julie Andrews are amazing.
I always thought Lily was bossy, but I now know she is toxic too.
I had a friend like this from middle school to high school. So glad I outgrew her. I always wonder how much better those years would have been if I’d actually had a real close friend.
Thanks for this video it’s provided some well needed context on something I didn’t realize I needed context on. I had a friend like Lily, but our friendship wasn’t based on mutual disdain but rather because our mothers were friends. Lily’s behavior always bothered me, but I couldn’t put a finger on why because that sort of behavior was so normalized in my life. I genuinely thought that’s just what friendship looked like. I never became successful like Mia, but I was used to having my smaller successes talked down or my interests and behavior mocked and policed. I cut ties with this friend gradually after middle school and we don’t speak anymore. It’s really sad because I do love her like a sister and I know where her pain comes from, but I can’t be friends with her and I hope she finds the healing I know she needs.
when I rewatched this movie as an adult I was pretty surprised by Lily's character. I didnt realize how much of a bully and hater she was as a kid LOL.
Lily was also a TERRIBLE friend in the books
I feel soooooooo seen...i've never liked her and she really frustrated me as a kid lol
Lily and Daria Morgendorfer are one and the same. So attached to being ‘non-conformist’ that they block opportunities left and right 🙄
Wait nah daria is better frend than lily I watch some episodes yeah daria can be brutal honest but she does care and help I rather have her than lily
@@miagrass Nah… remember when Jane wanted to try out for track and Daria had a friggin’ tantrum over it because Jane was no longer just an outcast weird girl? She was actually trying something conventional and social, the opposite of what Daria is all about. It sent her into a frenzy. Then, remember when Daria fucked up their friendship by taking Jane’s shitty boyfriend instead of helping her see that he was a shitty person and Jane could’ve done so much better? But Daria didn’t know what was better for Jane, because Daria was a self-absorbed asshole just like Lily
This movie always made me uncomfortable because of characters like Lily. This movie accurately captured how some “mean girls” really act, and it just hits way too close to home for me lol
I had a friend like her in middle and high school her name was Sonora. The girl could not be happy for me for anything
you speak like you’re reading spoken word, like poetry. i love your eloquence !
When I saw this actress in another movie called "Welcome to the Dollhouse"
in that movie, she was treated and bullied terribly. I assume this was an indirect extension showing that she grew up into a mean person
“That was two months ago” is insane
I couldn’t stand lily she was a true hater and didn’t want her friend to prosper and do well. The definition of an enemy of progress lmfao
I love this movie and Anne Hathaway. Lilly was the biggest hater smh. It broke my heart when Mia cried in the car 😢
THANK YOU!!!!! Oh my god. Ive always seen Lilly as worse than anyone else in Mia’s life in the first movie. I always thought it was disgusting.
Mia: had to go to a really important dinner that will determine the rest of her life.
LilY: gets mad at Mia for not ditching it for her podcast no one listens to and only invited Mia on AFTER news of her being a princess came out, because she probably thought people would tune in for that.
@@therealopaartist In the movie, it was the beach party. The state dinner happened earlier.
@@phoebegilliland8897 the party that happens towards the end of the movie. She’s in the rain and in a broken down car.
My point still stands. Lily never asked Mia to be on the show BEFORE. Only after she was outted as a princess.
You think she’d want her ‘BEST FRIEND’ on the show?
Lily strikes me as one one of those “I’m not like OTHER girls” girls, with the one line about Voltaire when people are giving Mia shit for having her hair straightened.
Which I don’t get how mis thought she could hide that. I have have similar to her and even if she put it up it would DEFINITELY not fit under a hat like that.
I really appreciate the depth of character though. it reminds me of mean girls when you think the mean girls are the plastics but it’s everyone, particularly Janice too. good writing.
also, as wrong as she was to behave that way, she was right to notice that something was being hidden from her and wasn’t quite right. though her negative feelings overrode the way she should have addressed it.
I hated her even more in the books she was nothing but a hater
I agree with you 100%! I never liked Lily and was always so mad at how she treated Mia. Thankfully she's better in the second one lol.
Lily reminded me of Dodie from As told by ginger 🤭 iykyk
This kind of reminds me of my sister ngl 😞. One minute she’s kind and the next she flips out on me and it hurts my feelings fr.
If I stand up for myself she’ll get loud and become even worse and mean.
Sometimes your biggest bullies are the ones in your own household too. 😞 but I still love my sister, just wish she wasn’t so flip flop.
I think she might need a psychiatric check
Making Mia cry and not immediately stopping and apologizing is what cemented it for me. I’ve seen friendships where either one or both friends tag on each other or look like sarcastic a-holes from the outside but the difference is when one person accidentally took their friendly banter too far, they acknowledge their mess up and remedy the situation because they don’t want to actually hurt their friends. Lily wanted to hurt Mia. She wanted Mia to feel bad about her new look.
I am so glad that I’m not the only one that was (at the very least) annoyed by Lily in the movie
The Princess Diaries is my absolute favorite movie and every time I watch it I’m so mad Mia didn’t push Lily off them bleachers 😭 this is why I had more respect for Lana bc at the very least she was honestly about her dislike for Mia
I agree. Spoiler for the books
What's surprising is that Lana actually became friends with Mia in the books.
Mia can never catch a break in these movies her friends her crushes her bullies and even her own grandmother treated her like shit
I’m glad you made a video about this. Unfortunately it’s relatable to be around negative “friends” like this. Mia is a sweetheart and Lily is a narcissist.
I had friends like Lilly in middle school…I can say from experience they *don’t* *really* like you, in fact they see you as beneath them
Watching this movie as an adult I really thought the same thing!! Like she was such a hater especially in the first movie like so annoying😭😭
Lily's remarks always felt malevolent to me in the film. I kept asking myself if she's Mia's best friend, why is she being so mean to her? And when she ended their friendship I felt Mia was free of her manipulation and jealousy.
I grew up with friends like Lily. I remember not having time to do my makeup before school and bringing it with me to do in the bathroom. My friend at the time said, “Oh so you’re becoming one of THOSE girls.” It really sucked.
I recently had to let a friend like this go and she still didn't get it. The bottom line is, real friends will not be like Lily to you if you're trying to better yourself and grow up 💯
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Lily was 🗑 she was always looking at Mia with jealous eyes and if you ask me she was worse than the mean girls at school and loved hiding behind the -I'm different/speak my mind- persona yet they're miserable. Mia looked Good and she was pressed
This video is like SO validating to me cuz I've had this opinion forEVER but I thought I was the only one! It's so nice to see other people here also felt the same way! (Raymond Holt voice) VINDICATION!
Also her movie the devil wears Prada, her friends were like that too. She literally was moving up as an adult, and they, who didn't pay her bills, wanted her to stay stagnant
Even as a little girl watching this movie, I KNEW something was right with home girl. I couldn’t stand her character lol now I realize why! I peeped her disdain at an early age. She lucky our girl Mia kept her around as long as she did!
Dont know why this was recommended to me but enjoyed it. Love a good rant and i could truly feel your hatred of her 😂😂😂 honestly thats so real
the "hey i thought you were getting over that" is so controlling and messed up
i remember reading the books the movie is based on, there are (were) about 10 of them, and in later books Lily and Mia definitely had a falling out and Lily was quite unhinged