And because he YODA'd it up, we are all talking about it, thinking about, and it is foremost on our minds. I say he use this as a new motto! Maybe a Tshirt!
30SC is a great round, I own the shield plus in 30SC and planning to purchase 2 or 3 more, I mix my edc between (380,30SC,9mm,40s&w)to where I am going and what I am doing. However what I don't mix is ammo, all my edc ammo is the federal hst or hydra shock
Like to see it succeed as well. A local big box retailer has the S&W 30 super carry EZ on sale now for $199. After a $50 rebate I think. That’s crazy. I was all over it. Was going to get one but it’s the 6.7 inch OAL and not the 6.1 inch OAL version. If it had been the 6.1 inch version no question I would’ve purchased one. would be a great option for my wife who has poor wrist, strength, and arthritis.
I like the idea of 30SC. Better ballistics than .380, while also holding more rounds than 9mm. The price of it may prevent it from becoming popular. 5.7x28 has a similar problem.
@@linkstertv5382 the new S&W 5.7 holds 22 rounds. At $0.50 a round, that's $11 a magazine. Meanwhile, the full size 9mm M&P would only cost $2.55 per full magazine. That's quite a drastic difference.
@@billyrayphillipsyou can get .30 SC fmj ammo online for .27 cents per round right now. Not as cheap as bulk bought 9mm.fmj, but definitely affordable. Carry ammo costs are basically the same between the two (hst and gold dots)
The way to get larger proliferation of the round is to have budget firearms adopt it. The Hi-Point carbine is a good first step. If someone could convince Turkish handgun makers to also adopt it then it would make a big difference too. A Canik _Mete MC9_ and a Girsan _P35 P.I. Ops_ in .30 Super Carry would be cool.
Picked up my Smith & Wesson Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry this weekend. Cannot wait to get it out to the range! I see so much potential in this round. It is essentially a 32 ACP Magnum which I always loved the 32 acp. And I am so happy that there is yet another firearm manufacturer out there that has picked up this round and started chambering one of its models in the 30
As a mechanical engineer I always wanted a cartridge like this to be developed. So I am switching. Not sure if it will last so I am gonna stock up on ammo to. (note: ammo might go up in value if they discontinue it.)
I was going to say exactly this! I reload .312 everything, so reloading 30SC is a snap. I have a 100gr cast load that drops the cases at your feet, just a little hotter than .380, and an 85gr XTP load that runs 1408fps avg. velocity at muzzle! I really like the S&W EZ in 30SC.
The lack of firearms that are currently available for 30SC is massive, however, if the price of the round is good and more guns get developed, 30SC could obsolete 380 entirely and may even challenge 9mm as an alternative. We could be living at a the turning point in history in terms of bullet paradigm and the few firearms that are available today might be important history pieces in 20-30 years. Imagine handing down your pistol to a grandson or daughter and telling them "This was one of the first models ever developed for the 30SC." Neat time to be alive
The 380 already has a lightweight, easy-to-load version made by several manufacturers. The 30 super carry will never be as easy to load or light as a 380. People who pocket-carry will always prefer the 380.
That's one thing that might doom this cartridge. The ammunition is priced way to high. As inflation has become such a serious factor, many people will automatically gravitate to guns with much less ammunition expenses. If they had some foresight and had priced it the same as 9mm, it might very well have attracted buyers. Also, they should have brought out 2 different weight rounds in both fmj, and defense. So, it seems apparently, Federal wanted to start recouping development and machinery expenses as fast as possible. Nothing like "shooting yourself in your own foot", so to speak ! 😮😅
@@Robb-n6b For real, there's a lot of cartidges that on their own, have really superior ballistics and merit, but once you add in the logistics factor of manufacturing, all the steps before production in addition to cost, you have good rounds that don't catch on because they are prohibitively expensive. 458 socom is a fantastic round but no one is going to realistically stockpile it in mass quantities because it is so expensive.
I won a 30 super carry and so far im totally impressed with it. Ammo prices is about the same as every other caliber except the 9mm. But i think with time this caliber WILL out preform the 9mm IF given the chance.
@@DuddyTales yea because the difference between .45 and 9mm was much greater. the difference between 9mm and super carry is so minimal and SC has 15% LESS energy......but here you are lol. that's like saying give .380 enough time and it will surpass 9mm. its just a stupid take and makes no sense
@@acatinatux9601it's not even automatically weaker per Hodgdon reloading data. Federal messed up by using heavier bullets. Hodgdon has published loading data for 71&85gr bullets at and near 1600fps and putting out more fpe than most +P 9mm.
I love the S & W 30 SC Shield EZ! I have the shield EZ 9mm also, and carry a Ruger LCP Max 380 in the pocket all of the time, and so I shoot these 3 guns the most at the range. May favorite is the 30 SC. It's well balanced, keeps on target, feels the best, full size so when brandishing is all that is needed it will work well, and I have full confidence that it will do the job. Oh, and nice and light in the pants, significantly better than the 9, very comfortable.
Many years ago in the early 70,s I saw a French model 35s in .32 LONG auto. I thought to myself a modern version of this round would be great. Lo and behold here it is with improved projectiles! I LOVE the concept and intend on buying a Pistol in this caliber soon.
@@PublicJohn Yeah definitely wouldn't fit in the 80x cheetah. But I'd say the 92 compact is too big to make it in 30 Super Carry. Ideally they could make something slightly bigger then the cheetah, with a action that could handle the 30 Super Carry.
@@PublicJohn Yes I know. But hopefully the round will grow in popularity and in the future gun manufacturers will eventually make designs revolving around 30 Super Carry from the ground up.
I'd love to see more .30sc pistols. A good start would be for S&W to chamber the CSX in the caliber or Kimber and their Micro Carry. I feel that size and style of pistol would bring a lot of people over because no one will want to repurchase their Shields/P365s/Hellcats just to have a different caliber, but many (like me) would be willing to pick up a different style pistol in the new caliber. Thanks for the video! I just found your channel and have just subscribed! 😃
The biggest problem with the 30 (actually 32) Super Carry - the 9 mm. While the 30 SC increases capacity by a whopping 2 bonds. the cartridge has 80% of the energy of the 9 mm +P, at 50k PSI, which is a lot more than any 9 mm loading. Plus the ammo is more expensive and less available. So no reason for the 30 SC to catch on. Federal should have attempted to improve the 32 ACP and get rid of the rim for more reliable feeding. The resulting round would have worked in CCW pocket pistols and offer more capacity than the 380.
I think the 30SC will be super popular, but not if gunmakers don't produce guns in that caliber. At the very least they should provide a drop in barrel conversion since you're able to reuse the 9mm magazines.
You can't use 9mm magazines. I own 2 shield pluses, 1 in 9 and the other 30sc. Mags are different. Barrels however are interchangeable. You can buy a mag and barrel, and switch off.
You folks cannot keep up with current demands on proven rounds 9mm,.38 special, .380acp, .40 Short and Weak, .45 ACP. Why would you want to introduce a new round?
Once you go full size, I think 5.7x28mm now has that "higher capacity than 9mm" niche covered. It's also less recoil and lighter weight, too. And because it does have some NATO adoption, 5.7x28mm has managed to stick around and is experiencing something of a renaissance with the new pistols and even ammo companies supporting it.
Sounds like a solution in search of a problem. Although I am intrigued by this new cartridge, the only real data we have to date is from Federal, the manufacturer of the cartridge itself. 9mm has been around a very long time and is proven. Although I do like the extra capacity that the 30 SC offers in the safe platform, if there is no discernible difference between the recoil of the 9mm and the 30 SC, I think I will stick with the 9mm. And, for the Smith and Wesson Shield 9mm, since Smith made the Equalizer, with a 15 round capacity magazine that fits the 9mm Shield, I will carry that as a backup magazine. Capacity problem basically neutralized. Lastly, the price could be a deterrent as mentioned. And, we all know the more you practice with your firearm, the better you should be in a, God forbid, gunfight. More money = more ammunition = more practice.
"Solution in search of a problem" is such a stupid cliche. They designed this cartridge with specific parameters in mind. It appears they succeeded with a pretty good solution.
@timmmax The problem is always finding something new and interesting to sell. Guns are not necessarily a massively consumable product. Ammo, on the other hand, is. There is more money to be made selling ammo than guns. So, yes in that regard they succeeded.
The problem that it is the right solution for is the lack of energy and reliable expansion in .32 and .380 pocket guns. Instead of being marketed in that class they are trying to sell it as a 9mm alternative.
I have to state emphatically - the idea that 30 supercarry was better than OR out to replace 9mm was NEVER the idea. It is slightly softer than 9mm but gets 2 more rounds into the same magazine space...this IS a good idea. The place where 30 Supercarry SHINES is that it BLOWS THE DOORS off 380acp in the ballistics department AND adds 2 more rounds to the magazine in the same space. THIS round actually makes 380 OBSOLETE immediately - ESPECIALLY for for folks with older , weak hands OR lady shooters that are not affectionate toward 9mm - MY WIFE being one of them !!! The 380 is a practically a whimp , and we ALL know it...but the 9mm is little stout in the recoil department and this SPECIFICALLY WHY 380 has such a huge market share. When you consider slightly less recoil than 9mm BUT WAAAAY better ballistics AND more rounds in the magazine 30 Supercarry becomes THE HANDS-DOWN WINNER !! THIS is what is was made for and should be CELEBRATED as such - instead - keyboard warriors with size issues keep comparing it to the cartridge it was NEVER INTENDED to replace !?! I do not understand all these comments here that completely miss the point - it was made as a much better round than the extremely popular , but slightly anemic , 380...it is NOT a "snob" round nor is it a gimmick to "fleece" people for more money. When properly understood by those who can think - instead of criticized by those who can't be bothered to , it is actually quite amazing for the role it was intended.
Nothing is out to replace anything else. There is a time and place for all of them. As far as the 380, there is ammo to "perk" them up a little. The gel test I have observed the top ammo for them is the federal 90g hydra shock, for penetratration and expansion
Everyone complaining about cost and availability: thats what happens when its first introduced, its not yet popular enough so the concept of supply vs demand kicks in, thats the main reason 9mm is cheaper than 45, because 9mm is more popular and available. If 30sc were to catch on, prices would lower and be more available. Less than 10 years ago people were called fools for buying into the 10mm but now most manufacturers make guns for it and it can be found at most gun places (at least near me)
There’s another problem, there aren’t enough popular models for manufactures chambered in this caliber. Cost wouldn’t be so bad, which it’s not by the way if you had some manufacture options, which we don’t. That is What’s really holding this cartridge back. Plus the fact that 380 ACP is the minimum standard for diameter of wound and kinetic energy, it’s reduced recoil allows it to be chambered in smaller guns, this is why it is survived against the 9 mm, it offers something 9 mm doesn’t. If you think about it, the recoil of the 380 ACP looks to be similar in something like an LCP max to 9 mm. I don’t see a cartridge that has higher chamber pressures being brought to something like an LCP max that’s a fail when it comes to replacing the 380 ACP. I don’t see a future for 30 super carry.
So obviously because it's a new round getting a whole bunch of guns to be chambered in it at this stage is not going to be easy. Especially because we are still recovering from a severe economic crash thanks to the government and what happened during covid. So it's going to be a little slower than normal. However in my personal opinion when you put the 30 Super Carry and 9 mm side-by-side as a round the 9 mm will be the 30 super carrier any day of the week. However where it has its greatest potential is in capacity and when you take the same model of gun, for example the Smith & Wesson shield plus, chambered in 9 mm and 30 Super Carry side by side they are the exact same gun. But in the case of the 30 super carry gun you have a 5% increase in lead going down range, you have a 20% increase in capacity, and you have approximately a 45% increase in power. This is can all differ between general purpose ammunition and things like self-defense ammunition. But it's pretty close to the same across the board. So the 9 mm will always outperformed the 30 Super Carry round her round. But when you have an increase in capacity to the point where the overall pressure and weight supersedes the 9mm of an equivalent magazine size the 30 super carrier will beat the 9 mm. So in places like Idaho Wyoming Montana and Texas where you do not have magazine restrictions the 3 Super carry should continue to grow in its popularity. Unfortunately in places like New York and California and Oregon where you have magazine restrictions you're not going to see it reach its full potential. I think it will still be popular in handgun models like the Smith & Wesson EZ because obviously the whole reason why somebody gets an EZ is because it's easier to handle anyways. So if you can get a more powerful cartridge in a gun that is already chambered in a cartridge like 380 and be comfortable with it anybody is going to want that
I don’t think the average gun buyer is really wanting a cartridge between .380 and 9mm., especially in the limited offerings that are available in .30 Super Carry.
Options are great. However I don’t see myself investing in this platform anytime soon in a cartridge that falls between the 380 and 9mm in terms of power. Anyone who is that concerned with capacity will just carry a second mag. My opinion
The problem with 30 SC is that it only makes sense if employed in an LCP-sized handgun. Unfortunately, most LCP-sized handguns can't handle 30 SC and wouldn't be pleasant to shoot in any case.
WoW this is great! I was just saying to my self the other day, boy, I wish another round would come out that's more expensive to train and practice with than 9mm
When I heard about 30sc I was excited as 327 Fed Mag is my edc cartridge in a 3” SP101 and I thought awesome a 327 for semi autos. Then my buddy and I got some of the ammo to test against the 327 and 30sc isn’t even close to 327 Fed. We then tested it against a 9mm shield and it performed close to 9mm but still not quite to the big leagues in my opinion.
That ammo is future version of the 30.06. it's got single stack magazine M&P EZ 🛡️ and the M&P 🛡️ has a double stack magazine too. But 50% firepower? That's really awesome 💯 😎🎉🎉!
It was about 38 years ago I thought why don't they shorten the .30 Carbine and make something like a hot .32-20 for a service pistol holding 20 something rounds. I own and run a small oil company now but I can be hired on a part time basis if you need someone to help your gun engineers.
There have been some fine rounds produced that the market didn't embrace . I don't want to be an owner of a gun like thise chambered in 9mm Federal ( 1980's round designed for revolvers) or like the .327 Magnum.
I really don't care who doesn't have one as long as I already have mine. I've got a 3.1" Shield+ in .30 SC with a C/T red dot and a 4" Shield+ Performance Center in 9 mm. Love 'em equally.
i want .30sc,......but in guns i like....i mean common. 20 something rounds in a flush fit beretta 92, 20 rounds in a glock 19.....13-15 rounds in a single-stack profile 1911 commander ? gun companys could do so much with this idea.
The five gun shops in a 20 mile radius of where I live, are not selling hardly Any Super Carry guns. I haven't seen any in store for half a year. Almost zero ammunition on hand anywhere. I guess it might be doing better in other areas, but I have no way of knowing. All I see is almost total interest around here.
Stick with the tried and proven (and available just about any place on this earth) 9mm. The recoil difference between 9mm and 30 Super Carry is minimum, if not, negligible. Practice, practice, practice, and that 20% difference in ammo capacity won't even matter if you're accurate with your platform. In my honest opinion, the 30 Super Carry is not worth the hype. It's too expensive and the 9mm does what the 30 Super Carry's supposed to do.
Should of set up some gel while you had both caliber’s firing. I’d E. D. C. 22lr if I thought I could trust it. 30 S. C. sounds like a promising caliber. Great video! Thanks for sharing it. Glock are you watching? This will fit right in with your 45 GAP and 357 SIG pistols. 😂
The penetration performance of the 30 Super Carry is equal or better than the 380. The 100 gr JP hits as hard as the 9mm, and travels even a little farther in ballastic jell too. As a smaller 'trail gun' it should be a wonder weapon; tough enough to deal with black bears. As a city carry weapon, deadly HP's with expanded bullet count, 11-13l rounds. The thugs driving to the scenes in car, will be getting the last 1/2 of the magazine, while the perps will be getting the front half! The power level, package, and concealibility of the S&W Shields +, crosses all those areas. That's what I want!
The "70% miss rate" is literally just how many bullet hit suspects in a year vs how many bullets were fired in a year. When you actually look at the statistics more closely, the miss rates are massively skewed by a small number of confrontations that involve large numbers of shots fired. Cops are not somehow terrible shots because sometimes they get into "shoot outs" with armed suspects.
No luck finding a level 3 holster. Only level 2. I seen high point had a carbine in this caliber. Hard to believe they got it right more than other manufactures. Anyone have thoughts on 71 grain reloading? Can't find anything local at 100
So at 7m, this is more powerful than a similar size .380 in a measurable way to blow your opponent away like in the movies? I doubt it. Having more rounds as a selling point to just spray bullets is really not valid. Nobody is going to take one and just stand there analyzing what you just hit them with like they are tasting fine wine. At current gun prices which are almost double what theg were only 4 years ago, im certainly not in the market to blow away more money. At $1.35 a rd, this will make my bank account bleed.
I chose the 30sc Shield+ over the 43x for the reasons listed. More capacity. My previous carry was a G19 but in order to slim down the size and still have the same capacity I’d rather have a factory magazine than use the aftermarket SA15 mags for the 43X. It was a no brainer imo.
I like the idea of a new carry round but I’d like to see something that could be better than 380 and still fit in deep concealment guns like the lcp. It seems 30 SC is trying to be as good as the 9mm more so than being better than 380
so .... 50k chamber pressure is going to take a lot of manufacturers out of the game. hell smith didnt even camber the equaliser(stupid name) for it . canik will not chamber for 45 acp never mind the 30 super carry . . sig learned with 357 sig so they are not going to touch it . maybe if the shield 30 gets closed out i would by one just to say i own shields in all 4
Ok, I agree that only four options is a problem. But it's an even bigger problem when you have difficulty finding any one of those four options at your local retailer or even online. It really saps your enthusiasm for the cartridge if you can't find a platform for it.
@@mountainhobo except when’s the stats were kept. Officers that were involved in a shooting with a revolver only missed less than the exact same officers involved in a shooting with higher cap pistol. Ergo higher capacity makes for more misses.
And the average person has never been in a life or death situation. They have no idea how adrenaline affects them. They'd be lucky to hit 5%. We try to stimulate it and even the best gun range and competition shooters drop to about 7%.
Opinion: .380 is only attractive because it an be used in a very tiny, very concealable pistol,but it kinda sucks ballistically. If your P.O.U. values cocealability more than ballistic effectiveness (ankle gun for a policemans backup, for example) the tradeoff makes sense. 9mm is adequate ballistically (thoughnot earth-shattering) and is still concealable, but is a bit much for a true pocket pistol. The SC still has unimpressive ballistics, despite the improvements over. 380, but is chambered in pistols of 9mm size. Isn't that the worst of both worlds?
The market is too flooded with 9mm loads that this round was dead upon arrival. I’m curious how it’s performed on the streets, but I doubt there is a lot of data on it. I’m a .45 ACP guy, I prefer its ballistics. So I don’t have a bias on 9mm or 30 SC.
Why? Recoil is the same as 9mm, due to pressure and dimensions the guns are the same size as 9mm, and 9mm is a military round so us produced in such bulk it can't be beat for price. What does this do that makes it stand out as a starting pistol?
@@sinisterthoughts2896 It felt like a little less recoil to Me. Also, the weapon is a little thinner. I just thought it would be a better starter because they can start with 100gr. When they get better at shooting, all they have to do is get 115gr to upgrade as opposed to getting let’s say a 380, and having to upgrade to 9mm. So you have to sell your 380, buy a 9mm and the rounds. I don’t have a lot of money so I was thinking from that standpoint. I know the 30SC is more but they have come down in price and I’m speculating that will continue. Im not an avid shooter. I don’t go often. It’s too expensive. I also heard they may come out with a 30SC 130gr?
I see two problems only one of which is an issue with cartridge itself. 1. It is spec'ed at too high of a pressure. IMO what we needed is something in between the 32 acp and what we got. That is a 32 that could handle the heavier 100 grain bullet but with significantly less blast and recoil than the 9mm. Sort of like a 32 H&R for the bottom feeders (AKA Autoloaders). So say 100 gr at about 950-1000 fps. If it can be downloaded to this level and still function reliably we may be OK. 2. This is just weapon related. All of the available platforms that I am aware of are striker fired. A solid DA/SA hammer fired pistol (preferably not plastic) would be great especially in a Bersa Thunderer size category would make it much more tempting.
It must have taken them over a year to design and manufacture this and taking resources away from 9mm while the whole world was looking for it. Their plan to have a cartridge that doesn’t have enough competitor manufacturers was a real crappy way to make profit.
the issie with this one is price. Federal priced this equal or slightly higher than 9mm equivalent. If they don't want to gain popularity through usage that's boosted by goodwill, it'll just take a lot longer to gain traction even with more handgun designed for it.
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Came down to read this exact comment
I liked this. And here is a comment
Why? This video sucks... The "problem" is the lack of guns, not something wrong with the cartridge.
And because he YODA'd it up, we are all talking about it, thinking about, and it is foremost on our minds. I say he use this as a new motto! Maybe a Tshirt!
30SC is a great round, I own the shield plus in 30SC and planning to purchase 2 or 3 more, I mix my edc between (380,30SC,9mm,40s&w)to where I am going and what I am doing. However what I don't mix is ammo, all my edc ammo is the federal hst or hydra shock
I think the 30sc is an awesome option. I hope it stays around
I very much doubt it will
same, going out this coming week to pick one up ..
Like to see it succeed as well. A local big box retailer has the S&W 30 super carry EZ on sale now for $199. After a $50 rebate I think. That’s crazy. I was all over it. Was going to get one but it’s the 6.7 inch OAL and not the 6.1 inch OAL version. If it had been the 6.1 inch version no question I would’ve purchased one. would be a great option for my wife who has poor wrist, strength, and arthritis.
357 sig is better and not supported anymore
@FoulPet
Sig loses the capacity game
I like the idea of 30SC. Better ballistics than .380, while also holding more rounds than 9mm. The price of it may prevent it from becoming popular. 5.7x28 has a similar problem.
Part of me wants to agree, but most people don’t really shoot much anyway.
5.7 is 50c a round from asc that's 45 prices
@@linkstertv5382 the new S&W 5.7 holds 22 rounds. At $0.50 a round, that's $11 a magazine. Meanwhile, the full size 9mm M&P would only cost $2.55 per full magazine. That's quite a drastic difference.
@@billyrayphillipsyou can get .30 SC fmj ammo online for .27 cents per round right now. Not as cheap as bulk bought 9mm.fmj, but definitely affordable. Carry ammo costs are basically the same between the two (hst and gold dots)
@@TheAsheybabe89 Really? good to know!
Love to see a Glock 19 and a Sig 365 in .30 super carry.
The way to get larger proliferation of the round is to have budget firearms adopt it. The Hi-Point carbine is a good first step. If someone could convince Turkish handgun makers to also adopt it then it would make a big difference too. A Canik _Mete MC9_ and a Girsan _P35 P.I. Ops_ in .30 Super Carry would be cool.
I bought the S & W 30 SC for only $299! Great deal.
They can give the guns away and the 30 SC would not catch on.
@@poppinc8145 I have the shield plus in 30sc but a mete mc9 in 30sc I definitely would be very interested in
I've been impressed with my Shield Super 30 carry.
Picked up my Smith & Wesson Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry this weekend. Cannot wait to get it out to the range! I see so much potential in this round. It is essentially a 32 ACP Magnum which I always loved the 32 acp. And I am so happy that there is yet another firearm manufacturer out there that has picked up this round and started chambering one of its models in the 30
As a mechanical engineer I always wanted a cartridge like this to be developed. So I am switching. Not sure if it will last so I am gonna stock up on ammo to. (note: ammo might go up in value if they discontinue it.)
I was going to say exactly this!
I reload .312 everything, so reloading 30SC is a snap. I have a 100gr cast load that drops the cases at your feet, just a little hotter than .380, and an 85gr XTP load that runs 1408fps avg. velocity at muzzle!
I really like the S&W EZ in 30SC.
Sounds like a terrible reason to change to a terrible cartridge.
I can’t stand engineers, you goofies think you understand it and you don’t, if you did your round would not over penetrate so much
It's all over, nobody is buying into the 30 SC hype no matter how much the industry promotes it.
30 Super Carry is just .32 French Extra Longue 😂
Pretty much, but the marketing will have customers feeling like the wheel has been reinvented.
Pressure differences are there...
@m.kriddick2731 Super Longue then?
@@sonofnone116 Might as well it call it a Pederson Magnum :)
The lack of firearms that are currently available for 30SC is massive, however, if the price of the round is good and more guns get developed, 30SC could obsolete 380 entirely and may even challenge 9mm as an alternative. We could be living at a the turning point in history in terms of bullet paradigm and the few firearms that are available today might be important history pieces in 20-30 years. Imagine handing down your pistol to a grandson or daughter and telling them "This was one of the first models ever developed for the 30SC." Neat time to be alive
It looks like a high pressure round, I don't think it will compete with 380.
The 380 already has a lightweight, easy-to-load version made by several manufacturers. The 30 super carry will never be as easy to load or light as a 380. People who pocket-carry will always prefer the 380.
keep dreaming
That's one thing that might doom this cartridge. The ammunition is priced way to high. As inflation has become such a serious factor, many people will automatically gravitate to guns with much less ammunition expenses. If they had some foresight and had priced it the same as 9mm, it might very well have attracted buyers. Also, they should have brought out 2 different weight rounds in both fmj, and defense. So, it seems apparently, Federal wanted to start recouping development and machinery expenses as fast as possible. Nothing like "shooting yourself in your own foot", so to speak ! 😮😅
@@Robb-n6b For real, there's a lot of cartidges that on their own, have really superior ballistics and merit, but once you add in the logistics factor of manufacturing, all the steps before production in addition to cost, you have good rounds that don't catch on because they are prohibitively expensive. 458 socom is a fantastic round but no one is going to realistically stockpile it in mass quantities because it is so expensive.
I love my 30 super carry its extremely accurate and i definitely feel a difference in recoil and even accuracy when firing back to back rounds
I won a 30 super carry and so far im totally impressed with it. Ammo prices is about the same as every other caliber except the 9mm. But i think with time this caliber WILL out preform the 9mm IF given the chance.
Outperform in what sense? What 9x19mm has going for it is NATO standardization, the biggest roadblock to ammunition development and adoption.
Outperform 9mm parabellum? Not!!! .355 is about the perfect diameter..not too small for minor wound cavity...but still big enough WITH expansion
@@kevinrichardson8859give it time... It only took roughly 80-100 years for the 9mm to get the same credit... Just saying
@@DuddyTales yea because the difference between .45 and 9mm was much greater. the difference between 9mm and super carry is so minimal and SC has 15% LESS energy......but here you are lol. that's like saying give .380 enough time and it will surpass 9mm. its just a stupid take and makes no sense
@@acatinatux9601it's not even automatically weaker per Hodgdon reloading data. Federal messed up by using heavier bullets. Hodgdon has published loading data for 71&85gr bullets at and near 1600fps and putting out more fpe than most +P 9mm.
I love the S & W 30 SC Shield EZ! I have the shield EZ 9mm also, and carry a Ruger LCP Max 380 in the pocket all of the time, and so I shoot these 3 guns the most at the range. May favorite is the 30 SC. It's well balanced, keeps on target, feels the best, full size so when brandishing is all that is needed it will work well, and I have full confidence that it will do the job. Oh, and nice and light in the pants, significantly better than the 9, very comfortable.
Many years ago in the early 70,s I saw a French model 35s in .32 LONG auto. I thought to myself a modern version of this round would be great. Lo and behold here it is with improved projectiles! I LOVE the concept and intend on buying a Pistol in this caliber soon.
It's all over, nobody is buying into the 30 SC hype no matter how much the industry promotes it.
Problem is, ... we aren't in France, where there may actually be more than a handful of interested people.
I’m excited to see 30 super carry grow into its own & I agree we need more guns in this caliber. A Sig 365 in 30 super carry would be sweet. Cheers
Beretta should make something like the new 80x cheetah in this caliber.
Well you are not the first to say that. But this round is too hot for simple blowback and too long. Is there a compact 92?
@@PublicJohn Yeah definitely wouldn't fit in the 80x cheetah. But I'd say the 92 compact is too big to make it in 30 Super Carry. Ideally they could make something slightly bigger then the cheetah, with a action that could handle the 30 Super Carry.
@@shaneoconnor6549 the round is pretty much the same overall length as 9mm so any 9mm design could be modified
@@PublicJohn Yes I know. But hopefully the round will grow in popularity and in the future gun manufacturers will eventually make designs revolving around 30 Super Carry from the ground up.
@@shaneoconnor6549 just look at how many years it took for 5.7x28mm to take off. As soon as it shows up in a glock clone or AR it will make it
Respect! The very first person I've seen so far who explained how likinthe video can help ME!!!! Love it. Video is also very helpful!
Whoever cuts this guy's hair has a wonderful sense of humor
Honestly, I had hoped Sig would chamber a p365 in 30 super carry. Maybe they will 🤷🏻♂️
I’d give that a try
It's all over, nobody is buying into the 30 SC hype no matter how much the industry promotes it.
Would definitely grab a caliber exchange kit in 30sc if it’s released
@@PassivePortfoliosthe industry isn't even supporting it. We have S&W guns and that's it. No Glock, no Sig, no Taurus, no Beretta, nothing.
@@codyworley5623 It's all over, another failed round. Those who bought guns in that chambering will be stuck with them. Little if any value.
I think it would've been a bigger hit if it was named/designated 32 SUPER.
You're a marketing genius. They should have paid you the big bucks! That sounds way cooler.
@@rob6850 that and .312" bullets usually fall in the 32 caliber category.
.32 Super Auto
Agreed. The name bugs me for being misleading, and a bit cringy.
How about 8mm
I'd love to see more .30sc pistols. A good start would be for S&W to chamber the CSX in the caliber or Kimber and their Micro Carry. I feel that size and style of pistol would bring a lot of people over because no one will want to repurchase their Shields/P365s/Hellcats just to have a different caliber, but many (like me) would be willing to pick up a different style pistol in the new caliber.
Thanks for the video! I just found your channel and have just subscribed! 😃
02:17.. could not find the smash button, but did smash the like button. 😁
I have a Shield and have the HP Carbine in 30 Super Carry... next looking to do some reloading and getting a bullpup kit from High Tower.
30 super carry ammo on the clearance shelf at Academy.
Yep, I seen that just a couple of days ago. I thought, well that didn't last long😑
I didn’t think Federal could make a cartridge that would die faster than .327 federal magnum but here we are lol.
AND, THEY STILL CARRY IT!!!
It's all over, nobody is buying into the 30 SC hype no matter how much the industry promotes it.
I grabbed the shield plus in 30 sc on sale for 230$ I love it and i would have easily been happy at the full msrp of 400-450
There is a reason it was $230…….
@@mikek5298 Tell us why Mike.
I just bought a HI-POINT 30SC carbine rifle and purchased the ammo from you guys ;)
Imho 30 sc is a great cartridge for carry hope manufacturers start making guns in this cal.✌️
I like the ballistics of the 30sc. Will it be as popular as 9mm? Time will tell.
The biggest problem with the 30 (actually 32) Super Carry - the 9 mm. While the 30 SC increases capacity by a whopping 2 bonds. the cartridge has 80% of the energy of the 9 mm +P, at 50k PSI, which is a lot more than any 9 mm loading. Plus the ammo is more expensive and less available. So no reason for the 30 SC to catch on. Federal should have attempted to improve the 32 ACP and get rid of the rim for more reliable feeding. The resulting round would have worked in CCW pocket pistols and offer more capacity than the 380.
I think the 30SC will be super popular, but not if gunmakers don't produce guns in that caliber. At the very least they should provide a drop in barrel conversion since you're able to reuse the 9mm magazines.
You can't use 9mm magazines. I own 2 shield pluses, 1 in 9 and the other 30sc. Mags are different. Barrels however are interchangeable. You can buy a mag and barrel, and switch off.
It's all over, nobody is buying into the 30 SC hype no matter how much the industry promotes it.
You folks cannot keep up with current demands on proven rounds 9mm,.38 special, .380acp, .40 Short and Weak, .45 ACP. Why would you want to introduce a new round?
Weak 45acp? Lol
It would take down a bear, crazy for you to think it’s “weak”…..
I have been interested in one and more than likely will buy one because of the capacity. 👍👍
Id like to see a glock 17 in 30sc. What's that capacity look like and what about performance from a full size barrel
Once you go full size, I think 5.7x28mm now has that "higher capacity than 9mm" niche covered. It's also less recoil and lighter weight, too. And because it does have some NATO adoption, 5.7x28mm has managed to stick around and is experiencing something of a renaissance with the new pistols and even ammo companies supporting it.
20% higher capacity so it should be 20 rounds in a G17. A G19 would be 18 rounds based on that plus 20% increase.
Sounds like a solution in search of a problem. Although I am intrigued by this new cartridge, the only real data we have to date is from Federal, the manufacturer of the cartridge itself. 9mm has been around a very long time and is proven. Although I do like the extra capacity that the 30 SC offers in the safe platform, if there is no discernible difference between the recoil of the 9mm and the 30 SC, I think I will stick with the 9mm. And, for the Smith and Wesson Shield 9mm, since Smith made the Equalizer, with a 15 round capacity magazine that fits the 9mm Shield, I will carry that as a backup magazine. Capacity problem basically neutralized. Lastly, the price could be a deterrent as mentioned. And, we all know the more you practice with your firearm, the better you should be in a, God forbid, gunfight. More money = more ammunition = more practice.
"Solution in search of a problem" is such a stupid cliche. They designed this cartridge with specific parameters in mind. It appears they succeeded with a pretty good solution.
@timmmax The problem is always finding something new and interesting to sell. Guns are not necessarily a massively consumable product. Ammo, on the other hand, is. There is more money to be made selling ammo than guns. So, yes in that regard they succeeded.
If you like your 9mm, you can KEEP your 9mm. An answe to a question nobody had even asked. That man is clairvoyant.
22lr will stop someone, I assure you.
What testing do you want?
The problem that it is the right solution for is the lack of energy and reliable expansion in .32 and .380 pocket guns. Instead of being marketed in that class they are trying to sell it as a 9mm alternative.
I have the 30 supper carry I like it I think it does what is needed from the gun
I have to state emphatically - the idea that 30 supercarry was better than OR out to replace 9mm was NEVER the idea. It is slightly softer than 9mm but gets 2 more rounds into the same magazine space...this IS a good idea. The place where 30 Supercarry SHINES is that it BLOWS THE DOORS off 380acp in the ballistics department AND adds 2 more rounds to the magazine in the same space. THIS round actually makes 380 OBSOLETE immediately - ESPECIALLY for for folks with older , weak hands OR lady shooters that are not affectionate toward 9mm - MY WIFE being one of them !!! The 380 is a practically a whimp , and we ALL know it...but the 9mm is little stout in the recoil department and this SPECIFICALLY WHY 380 has such a huge market share. When you consider slightly less recoil than 9mm BUT WAAAAY better ballistics AND more rounds in the magazine 30 Supercarry becomes THE HANDS-DOWN WINNER !! THIS is what is was made for and should be CELEBRATED as such - instead - keyboard warriors with size issues keep comparing it to the cartridge it was NEVER INTENDED to replace !?! I do not understand all these comments here that completely miss the point - it was made as a much better round than the extremely popular , but slightly anemic , 380...it is NOT a "snob" round nor is it a gimmick to "fleece" people for more money. When properly understood by those who can think - instead of criticized by those who can't be bothered to , it is actually quite amazing for the role it was intended.
Nothing is out to replace anything else. There is a time and place for all of them. As far as the 380, there is ammo to "perk" them up a little. The gel test I have observed the top ammo for them is the federal 90g hydra shock, for penetratration and expansion
I was thinking about getting the M&P sheiks plus as my back up for my macro in 9mm but now I think imma get a 30 supercarry model
Everyone complaining about cost and availability: thats what happens when its first introduced, its not yet popular enough so the concept of supply vs demand kicks in, thats the main reason 9mm is cheaper than 45, because 9mm is more popular and available. If 30sc were to catch on, prices would lower and be more available. Less than 10 years ago people were called fools for buying into the 10mm but now most manufacturers make guns for it and it can be found at most gun places (at least near me)
There’s another problem, there aren’t enough popular models for manufactures chambered in this caliber. Cost wouldn’t be so bad, which it’s not by the way if you had some manufacture options, which we don’t. That is What’s really holding this cartridge back. Plus the fact that 380 ACP is the minimum standard for diameter of wound and kinetic energy, it’s reduced recoil allows it to be chambered in smaller guns, this is why it is survived against the 9 mm, it offers something 9 mm doesn’t. If you think about it, the recoil of the 380 ACP looks to be similar in something like an LCP max to 9 mm. I don’t see a cartridge that has higher chamber pressures being brought to something like an LCP max that’s a fail when it comes to replacing the 380 ACP. I don’t see a future for 30 super carry.
It is better for mag capacity but it doesn't improve over 9mm recoil all that much. I'm not sold on it, especially when you consider cost.
So obviously because it's a new round getting a whole bunch of guns to be chambered in it at this stage is not going to be easy. Especially because we are still recovering from a severe economic crash thanks to the government and what happened during covid. So it's going to be a little slower than normal.
However in my personal opinion when you put the 30 Super Carry and 9 mm side-by-side as a round the 9 mm will be the 30 super carrier any day of the week. However where it has its greatest potential is in capacity and when you take the same model of gun, for example the Smith & Wesson shield plus, chambered in 9 mm and 30 Super Carry side by side they are the exact same gun. But in the case of the 30 super carry gun you have a 5% increase in lead going down range, you have a 20% increase in capacity, and you have approximately a 45% increase in power. This is can all differ between general purpose ammunition and things like self-defense ammunition. But it's pretty close to the same across the board. So the 9 mm will always outperformed the 30 Super Carry round her round. But when you have an increase in capacity to the point where the overall pressure and weight supersedes the 9mm of an equivalent magazine size the 30 super carrier will beat the 9 mm. So in places like Idaho Wyoming Montana and Texas where you do not have magazine restrictions the 3 Super carry should continue to grow in its popularity. Unfortunately in places like New York and California and Oregon where you have magazine restrictions you're not going to see it reach its full potential. I think it will still be popular in handgun models like the Smith & Wesson EZ because obviously the whole reason why somebody gets an EZ is because it's easier to handle anyways. So if you can get a more powerful cartridge in a gun that is already chambered in a cartridge like 380 and be comfortable with it anybody is going to want that
I don’t think the average gun buyer is really wanting a cartridge between .380 and 9mm., especially in the limited offerings that are available in .30 Super Carry.
30,super,carry,magnum,dam,cool
Options are great. However I don’t see myself investing in this platform anytime soon in a cartridge that falls between the 380 and 9mm in terms of power. Anyone who is that concerned with capacity will just carry a second mag. My opinion
I really like shooting my S&W 30sc 16+1 in a micro compact package is nothing to sneeze at
Just got mine. I can’t get more than 14 in the magazine.
I think this video is amazing and very educational
The problem with 30 SC is that it only makes sense if employed in an LCP-sized handgun. Unfortunately, most LCP-sized handguns can't handle 30 SC and wouldn't be pleasant to shoot in any case.
Use of the cricut cutting mat “for science” is really a great re-utilization of a pretty dang precise product.
WoW this is great! I was just saying to my self the other day, boy, I wish another round would come out that's more expensive to train and practice with than 9mm
Lol!
When I heard about 30sc I was excited as 327 Fed Mag is my edc cartridge in a 3” SP101 and I thought awesome a 327 for semi autos. Then my buddy and I got some of the ammo to test against the 327 and 30sc isn’t even close to 327 Fed. We then tested it against a 9mm shield and it performed close to 9mm but still not quite to the big leagues in my opinion.
Wish they were more popular.
I would like to see the round in a low capacity pocket pistol.
That ammo is future version of the 30.06. it's got single stack magazine M&P EZ 🛡️ and the M&P 🛡️ has a double stack magazine too. But 50% firepower? That's really awesome 💯 😎🎉🎉!
It was about 38 years ago I thought why don't they shorten the .30 Carbine and make something like a hot .32-20 for a service pistol holding 20 something rounds. I own and run a small oil company now but I can be hired on a part time basis if you need someone to help your gun engineers.
People forget the officers missed shots might have included ducking and diving from the bad guys bullets.
Agreed, I'd like a compact (not a sub-compact) which should have capacity approaching a full size pistol.
There have been some fine rounds produced that the market didn't embrace . I don't want to be an owner of a gun like thise chambered in 9mm Federal ( 1980's round designed for revolvers) or like the .327 Magnum.
The increased capacity in smaller semi autos is really the best part of this round.
Glock 48 sized 20 rd double stack double feed position mags.
I really don't care who doesn't have one as long as I already have mine. I've got a 3.1" Shield+ in .30 SC with a C/T red dot and a 4" Shield+ Performance Center in 9 mm. Love 'em equally.
i want .30sc,......but in guns i like....i mean common. 20 something rounds in a flush fit beretta 92, 20 rounds in a glock 19.....13-15 rounds in a single-stack profile 1911 commander ? gun companys could do so much with this idea.
You dont know what you are talking about. Its 8mm so you can only get 2 rounds more than 9mm in a double stack.
Jeremy looks like the military version of Will Prowse from DIY Solar Power.
15 rd mag on a compact means 18rd in a compact
18 rd full-size. 9mm in could be 21 or 22rd in a fullsize.
I’m 54 always like 32 because it’s more accurate less recoil a little more than 22 but shot placement always most imprtant
Is this on the way of the 357 SIG
The ammo is to expensive... if it was competitive in cost to 9mm ammo I might be tempted to bite but not at the current prices. I will stick with 9mm
Amen bro.
This ammo will never be common, and any ammo shortage will hit hard here.
The 30sc Shields are dirt cheap now.
The five gun shops in a 20 mile radius of where I live, are not selling hardly Any Super Carry guns. I haven't seen any in store for half a year. Almost zero ammunition on hand anywhere. I guess it might be doing better in other areas, but I have no way of knowing. All I see is almost total interest around here.
I need more guns chambered, more ammo being made, and it be cheaper. From what I found it's around the same price as 40s&w.
If you like your 9mm you can keep your 9mm....🤔🤔
"If you like your primary care doctor..."
Yes. But there are people that won't go below 9 because they watch too many movies. 22lr will stop someone from attacking.
"Stopping power" is a myth.
I see something new, I see a golden opportunity. Time for me to enter the market.
Stick with the tried and proven (and available just about any place on this earth) 9mm. The recoil difference between 9mm and 30 Super Carry is minimum, if not, negligible. Practice, practice, practice, and that 20% difference in ammo capacity won't even matter if you're accurate with your platform. In my honest opinion, the 30 Super Carry is not worth the hype. It's too expensive and the 9mm does what the 30 Super Carry's supposed to do.
Should of set up some gel while you had both caliber’s firing. I’d E. D. C. 22lr if I thought I could trust it. 30 S. C. sounds like a promising caliber. Great video! Thanks for sharing it. Glock are you watching? This will fit right in with your 45 GAP and 357 SIG pistols. 😂
The penetration performance of the 30 Super Carry is equal or better than the 380. The 100 gr JP hits as hard as the 9mm, and travels even a little farther in ballastic jell too. As a smaller 'trail gun' it should be a wonder weapon; tough enough to deal with black bears. As a city carry weapon, deadly HP's with expanded bullet count, 11-13l rounds. The thugs driving to the scenes in car, will be getting the last 1/2 of the magazine, while the perps will be getting the front half! The power level, package, and concealibility of the S&W Shields +, crosses all those areas. That's what I want!
There is no "problem" - it's a fabulous concept. Oh, wait, I see what you did there...
The "70% miss rate" is literally just how many bullet hit suspects in a year vs how many bullets were fired in a year. When you actually look at the statistics more closely, the miss rates are massively skewed by a small number of confrontations that involve large numbers of shots fired. Cops are not somehow terrible shots because sometimes they get into "shoot outs" with armed suspects.
Most cops can barely even operate their weapons, much less hit anything with them.
Under extremely stressful situations, larger guns are easier to handle well.
When the sun shines outside , it's a whole lot brighter too
No luck finding a level 3 holster. Only level 2. I seen high point had a carbine in this caliber. Hard to believe they got it right more than other manufactures. Anyone have thoughts on 71 grain reloading? Can't find anything local at 100
So at 7m, this is more powerful than a similar size .380 in a measurable way to blow your opponent away like in the movies? I doubt it. Having more rounds as a selling point to just spray bullets is really not valid. Nobody is going to take one and just stand there analyzing what you just hit them with like they are tasting fine wine. At current gun prices which are almost double what theg were only 4 years ago, im certainly not in the market to blow away more money. At $1.35 a rd, this will make my bank account bleed.
I chose the 30sc Shield+ over the 43x for the reasons listed. More capacity. My previous carry was a G19 but in order to slim down the size and still have the same capacity I’d rather have a factory magazine than use the aftermarket SA15 mags for the 43X. It was a no brainer imo.
I like the idea of a new carry round but I’d like to see something that could be better than 380 and still fit in deep concealment guns like the lcp. It seems 30 SC is trying to be as good as the 9mm more so than being better than 380
so .... 50k chamber pressure is going to take a lot of manufacturers out of the game. hell smith didnt even camber the equaliser(stupid name) for it . canik will not chamber for 45 acp never mind the 30 super carry . . sig learned with 357 sig so they are not going to touch it . maybe if the shield 30 gets closed out i would by one just to say i own shields in all 4
Ok, I agree that only four options is a problem. But it's an even bigger problem when you have difficulty finding any one of those four options at your local retailer or even online. It really saps your enthusiasm for the cartridge if you can't find a platform for it.
No one will stock the Shield+ in .30SC in Colorado because of the 16 round magazine it comes with.
@@merylpelosi8485Well then vote your freedom back.
The 25 cal & 32 were so successful that we have to try this again with better marketing because of the popularity of pocket 9mm's now.
Te funny part is when police officers carried revolvers they only missed 50% o the time. Correlation. Higher capacity creates more misses
Yes, but Police demographics also changed.
@@mountainhobo except when’s the stats were kept. Officers that were involved in a shooting with a revolver only missed less than the exact same officers involved in a shooting with higher cap pistol. Ergo higher capacity makes for more misses.
@@botkill3635 I did not contradict you, just added one more variable about the changing police force.
Carry one every single day. In a M&P SHIELD PLUS PERFORMANCE CENTER.
Most cops spray and pray. Saddest part is police either get FREE or HEAVILY DISCOUNTED AMMO for trainging and they still can't shoot smh.
And the average person has never been in a life or death situation. They have no idea how adrenaline affects them. They'd be lucky to hit 5%.
We try to stimulate it and even the best gun range and competition shooters drop to about 7%.
Opinion:
.380 is only attractive because it an be used in a very tiny, very concealable pistol,but it kinda sucks ballistically. If your P.O.U. values cocealability more than ballistic effectiveness (ankle gun for a policemans backup, for example) the tradeoff makes sense.
9mm is adequate ballistically (thoughnot earth-shattering) and is still concealable, but is a bit much for a true pocket pistol.
The SC still has unimpressive ballistics, despite the improvements over. 380, but is chambered in pistols of 9mm size.
Isn't that the worst of both worlds?
2 major problems
1) Not enough firearms chambered in 30sc
2) The cost of 30sc vs 9mm practice ammo is a no starter.
Also, the Sheild Plus in 30SC doesn't hold more rounds than a Hellcat of the same size.
The problem is people can't look past how cheap 9mm fmj ammo is vs 30sc however the most important carry ammo is the same price.
The market is too flooded with 9mm loads that this round was dead upon arrival. I’m curious how it’s performed on the streets, but I doubt there is a lot of data on it. I’m a .45 ACP guy, I prefer its ballistics. So I don’t have a bias on 9mm or 30 SC.
I think 30SC is the new starter weapon. Also, what about 30SC 130 grain?
Why? Recoil is the same as 9mm, due to pressure and dimensions the guns are the same size as 9mm, and 9mm is a military round so us produced in such bulk it can't be beat for price. What does this do that makes it stand out as a starting pistol?
@@sinisterthoughts2896 It felt like a little less recoil to Me. Also, the weapon is a little thinner. I just thought it would be a better starter because they can start with 100gr. When they get better at shooting, all they have to do is get 115gr to upgrade as opposed to getting let’s say a 380, and having to upgrade to 9mm. So you have to sell your 380, buy a 9mm and the rounds. I don’t have a lot of money so I was thinking from that standpoint. I know the 30SC is more but they have come down in price and I’m speculating that will continue. Im not an avid shooter. I don’t go often. It’s too expensive. I also heard they may come out with a 30SC 130gr?
do we really need a 50,000 psi cartridge in a small frame gun? Federal just keeps pushing .32's and hoping one will catch on
I see two problems only one of which is an issue with cartridge itself.
1. It is spec'ed at too high of a pressure. IMO what we needed is something in between the 32 acp and what we got. That is a 32 that could handle the heavier 100 grain bullet but with significantly less blast and recoil than the 9mm. Sort of like a 32 H&R for the bottom feeders (AKA Autoloaders). So say 100 gr at about 950-1000 fps. If it can be downloaded to this level and still function reliably we may be OK.
2. This is just weapon related. All of the available platforms that I am aware of are striker fired. A solid DA/SA hammer fired pistol (preferably not plastic) would be great especially in a Bersa Thunderer size category would make it much more tempting.
I love my smith and wesson ez very accurate
The problem with this cartridge is the fact that they introduced it during the biggest ammo shortage in the history of the world. NOT INTERESTED!!!
It must have taken them over a year to design and manufacture this and taking resources away from 9mm while the whole world was looking for it. Their plan to have a cartridge that doesn’t have enough competitor manufacturers was a real crappy way to make profit.
I'm down. Just need more options, like you said.
the issie with this one is price. Federal priced this equal or slightly higher than 9mm equivalent. If they don't want to gain popularity through usage that's boosted by goodwill, it'll just take a lot longer to gain traction even with more handgun designed for it.
The pocket gun Market will boom again with this caliber.
Open up beautifully.compared to a 45acp
That's a terrible comparison. Why not compare it with 9mm, which it was designed to emulate.