Unless the guy hits the deck just as you hear police sirens! Put that shit away before they drill you! Dropping it on the floor just buggers the finish and they might swipe it even if they don't shoot you. Once they have it they'll never give it back to you--you're now out a gun even if the judge decides it's legit self-defense.
@@tenicorusa for me dude, I find carrying on my waist to be the easiest and most convenient when using both semi-auto handguns and revolvers (and this depends on both clothing and holsters being used)
when I was taking my CCW class my instructor said "if you take your gun out the world already knows you have it, so take all the time in the world to put that gun back" in 22 years of training he had one injury and guess when it was? yep, when someone was holstering their gun at the end of class.
I always wondered if these instructors ever have it in their minds about this. Its pretty risky to go in front of new gun owners with loaded weapons to teach them I think but I guess 22 years and only 1 accident is a good sign!
Reminds me of all the times you hear about the police shooting a CCW holder who just stopped a mass casualty event. Because he kept his piece visible for too long.
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@@tenicorusaI've carried concealed for over FIFTY years & I've never shot myself because largely because I don't deliberately point a loaded pistol at my testicles &/or femoral arteries... News flash...all the practice in the World won't make you bulletproof or immune to accidents.
This entire story and information from 2:30 - 3:34 absolutely hit home with me and will forever change the way I handle firearms. Being American and living with my gun owning grandfather, I naturally learned firearm safety. Now that I am an adult and new gun owner, I have definitely had this sense of "guns I know are unloaded are 100% safe", and from this point forward will never think the same. Thank you, sir.
I heard a marine say once, "your greatest weapon is your fitness." And I'm too heavy and guilty as well, but we spend so much time picking guns and ammo and holster we don't think about the simple. Would I be fast enough to run away if needed or strong enough if the fight got close. A good weapon needs to be maintained, men. You need to be a weapon.
@@truecross4090Amen! Been hitting the gym M-W-F every week this year and although the scale hasn't moved, I feel strong and confident. At 5'10 and 275, I'm proud of my twelve minute mile 😅 gotta train with my weapons.
how do you do that on a self assembled lower? lol. been carrying overwatch precision appendix in a p80 lower appendix for 2 years already no issues. definitely tested it a bunch before but with a glock trigger, it needs to be pulled to fully load the striker spring so nothing can happen even if there is some internal malfunction that drops the sear.
@@Edward55221 if you're going to do that then it's better to not carry than having someone get the jump on you and remove your gun for the use of criminals.
One of the best appendix carry videos I've seen yet. So much fear mongering from people that still wonder why we choose to carry a round in the chamber. Your lesson concretes my confidence in continuing to carry appendix.
Thank you for such a transparent discussion. We need more of this in the community. I felt exactly as you described when carrying. It was all I could think about. My wife is grabbing steaks and asking me what else is on the grocery list and all I can think about is I have a loaded gun on me in public. Very reassuring to know others feel the same way. It is an incredible responsibility that should be taken with the utmost seriousness.
@@tenicorusa Absolutely. Not sure how you feel about it but a video of the pros and cons of open carry vs conceal might be a good one. Personally I'm against open carry and don't like seeing guys flexing in public like it's the wild West. Don't really have any positives to say about it other than slightly faster access. Would like to know your thoughts.
1. Deliberate movements 2. Trigger/ finger discipline 3. Remove holster, reholster, secure holstered weapon in ur appendix carry position Those r the 3 things I do to ensure my safety. I carry appendix everywhere I go, even if it’s just for a late night drive with no destination
@@ProffesorChaosesFile i now am able to carry and am a little intimidated by that. Think i will do this as well and with everything else in the video im not worried anymore
Another excellent video covering every aspect of concealed carry in a thorough and easy to understand way. I especially liked the re-holstering tutorial. I have never seen that explained so well. Sharing this video.
Approaching 50 years of carry. I was a NRA LEO Firearms Instructor before I trusted myself enough to go appendix carry. In competition it was natural. Now it's all automatic and muscle memory. In a Patrol car it could be very difficult to draw from the seated position. We did not have the appendix carry as an option. Listening to you I sound like I am listening to one of my lectures. Great job Brother and Thank you for your service. Beware of FBI style jacket wind cords and cinching knobs when reholstering! Sgt.SteveRet 🇺🇸
50 years of not carrying. Never felt the need to, never heard of anyone that felt the need. But I'm European, so I can't relate to constantly feeling threatened by everyone you meet.
@@nilov71if Johanna Blanes would have had a means to defend herself should wouldn’t have been graped and murdered by that Syrian refugee in France. The saying goes “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”. You’re more than free to pretend bad people don’t exist it’s all good.
It's almost like if you don't pull the trigger... the gun won't go off (well SOME guns might.. lol). The fear of appendix carry comes from lack of training and lack of confidence in yourself to safely manipulate the firearm from that position.
I’ll carry appendix maybe around 5% of the time, if at all. There’s this universal rule. Never point a gun at anything you don’t want to destroy. For some reason, we carved out an exception for the most vital part of the human body. I’m not exactly sure why that is, but there are many variables for what can happen. And malfunctions are still part of that equation. And it only takes one incident to ruin your life permanently. Just imagine, you have a gun so you and your family can be safe, and the very tool that’s supposed to keep you safe is the one that makes you unsafe. Doesn’t make much sense to me. So, my rule of thumb is, 1 in the chamber… 4-5 o’clock carry 95% of the time. If my gun ever malfunctioned, I’ll have a bad week and perhaps a small surgery. If your gun malfunctions at appendix, it could change your life completely. And no one is going to take responsibility for what happened to you after it happens, especially the manufacturer.
I appreciate framing it as a more mature mindset being needed. I know people who at minute one of learning how to handle and shoot firearms likely had the maturity to handle safe practices around AIWB, and I also know folks who've been around guns their whole lives that I absolutely don't trust with that. I think you can crawl-walk-run those sorts of people into AIWB, but it takes active change from them to make that happen.
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen this instructor really gets it i also have been carrying appendix for over 32 years and every single thing that this instructor has said was absolutely true I also am a Certified Master Firearms Instructor i was so impressed with the knowledge of this instructor I’m going to also incorporate certain things from his videos to my own advanced Students Hey brother keep up the good work making Great Learning And Teaching videos their only a few instructors who really care about students learning Quality Training Concepts Thank God for people who care the industry of Firearms Training regimes ⭕️⭕️⭕️
For me, a small guy, appendix carry is the best choice for a simple reason. I never have to worry about the grip printing when I’m seated or bending over. It’s also way more comfortable when seated.
@@tomcat1555 once you get the ride height correct it’s fine. Im a 5’7” manlet so I can do it with a G19 but no big flashlight or else it gets real uncomfortable
Tessa Booth has a video and demonstrates pivoting your hips forward and moving your torso backwards when reholstering to get any part of body out of the way of muzzle. Its what I do when reholstering from AIWB.
Nice! Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this topic. Your presentation & demeanor are very pleasant. Not typical to see, when searching for videos to view & learn from. 👊🏽
A few weeks ago, a retired us forces dude shot his balls off in the next bay to me in the outdoor shooting range. He was practicing draw from aiwb holster with p229, I think. He miricaly lived. The guy was experienced for sure, and those accidents do happen to the best of us. It made me very uneasy to carry my p320xc aiwb and especially with all those "discharged while holstered" news. I will probably switch to the hammer fired decocker ver pistol soon. I spend most of my shooting time competing in uspsa, but now I dedicate a few sessions a month (maybe 500rds) to practice my live fire appendix draw. My advice to all, no matter how much experience you think you have, don't get too comfortable, stay sharp. Do daily dryfire before holstering.
I just don't understand why would a person need to holster their gun while their holster is on their belt in the appendix carry. I get into the habit of removing my holster, holstering the gun away from me, then putting my holster back on my belt. Of course, it's more time consuming, but I never have to worry about hurting Ole' Charlie.
I found that appendix carry works the best for me for all of the reasons you mentioned. It's also the most comfortable carry method for me. I love my Glock 19s and other striker fired guns, but I carry a CZ-P07, a DA/SA gun with a decocker. The DA trigger pull is about 9 lbs, the SA pull is about 4 lbs. I carry it with a round in the chamber, decocked. When I holster the gun it is decocked and my thumb is on the back of the hammer while holstering.
Great video explanation of appendix carry. I started off Carrying 3 o'clock then because of printing and just figuring out it is way better to carry appendix I started carrying CZ decockers. Now I carry 365s appendix which was kinda scarry at first but you just need to use a good holster and reholster looking it in very carefully. For anyone who wants an extra failsafe and you don't mind carrying a larger more Glock 19 size pistol buy a CZ double action decocker like the P-07, P-01, or a Shadow 2 compact, these give you an extra level of saftey with the longer double action pull as well as being able to keep your thumb over the hammer when reholstering. With your thumb over the hammer you will feel if anything catches the trigger.
a really good point i heard recently about carrying is that you do NOT need to re holster quicky. ever. if you are holstering your gun then there is no threat, there is no rush. whatever rush there may have been must be over if youre putting your gun away. so its ok to take your time and do it safely.
Then, take the holster from your belt and then draw. You can then put the holster on your belt with the gun already inserted without any worries in the world.
I mostly carry IWB at the 4 o-clock position. But if I’m not wearing a jacket or sweatshirt I carry appendix just cause it’s more concealable. 4pm is easily the most comfortable area to carry but comes with a lot of risks with printing and someone grabbing your gun.
How many reports have you seen, read or heard about where the bad guy saw the imprint of a weapon and grabbed it? Pretty hard to do if you're aware of your surroundings, and have your shirt covering the weapon. They would have to pull your shirt up and then grab your weapon without you knowing or fighting back...Pretty hard to do.
@@sjagain I actually saw that in a video. Yes, you should ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings... but there will be times you WILL lose focus. There are sooo many things that occurs in your life that it is impossible to remain focus on one though all day long. That is what happened to the guy in the video. He went to talk to really quickly ask the clerk at the register for information when out of no where, a guy comes to his back an in lightning speed, picks up his shirt and removes his gun and runs off. It happened in seconds. I guess the guy noticed the printed gun. Of course, this happened in a place that was not safe, but it just comes to show that when you feel safe, you may lose focus. By carrying it appendix, I never have to worry about getting my gun taken away from me.
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1. Use the proper holster for your firearm 2. When placing your firearm into the holster, make sure it is properly seated 3. Keep your finger off of the trigger 4. Don't aim it at anything you don't want dead or destroyed 5. If you have to use your firearm, know that whatever is behind what you are about to shoot will also possibly die or get destroyed. How much more simple do you need it??
@@benfranklin5335 I have read the babbling riddles of the truly insane, but I have never had even a thought to live by their words. Unlike the 10 commandments, I can easily prove that guns exist, and eventually a day will come where if you have a gun and don't follow those rules, a boom will be heard, someone will die and/or something will be destroyed. I think if people would stop with the PC foolishness of not wanting to offend or hurt feelings, and make them view bodies and the destruction of what bullets do, let them puke a few times...I think it would make people see reality.
And appendix carry violates #4 and arguably #2 and #5 because it is pointed at oneself during holstering, during carry, and during a (possibly stressful) draw.
I carry appendix and almost always holster the firearm out of my pants and then stick the whole thing on my waistband instead of holstering in the waistband to really eliminate the chance of errors.
@TheRange7 no you dingle I holster it like normal because that's simulating a real life situation, and i always look it into the holster for an added layer of safety. There's no reason to add unnecessary risk by holstering it like I'm at the range every morning when I strap it on.
@TheRange7 that's actually exactly what I do when my kid isnt around, I have metal clips on my holster and a magnet mount in my safe and throw that whole thing in there. I called you a dingle because you posed a situation knowing you'd be "right" just to be right. I was talking about putting it on regularly and I'm sure you knew that. There are countless situations in life we can go all day scenario man
I prefer to carry outside the waist at 3:00. Sometimes based on clothing that is not possible and I appendix carry. My draw is smooth and fluid from either position and slightly faster from appendix. No issues drawing from appendix but, I personally will remove the holster and insert the gun as one unit. Do I have to? No but, I see no reason to be in a hurry to reholster.
I am with you on OWB. I just find any form of IWB very uncomfortable, even with my G42. I do live in an open carry State so I am not concerned about printing from a legal standpoint but people are overly concerned people might notice. It is my experience that 75%+ of the population won't notice an openly carried pistol let alone one that is covered but prints a little bit.
@johnshepherd9676 That is about the same for me. I have found for me appendix carry is comfortable or more comfortable with Micros but, it wasn't until I got the Kore Essentials belt. When I carry appendix my holster is about 1:00 to 1:30. The Kore belt causes a slight stand off at the buckle. Unlike most guys that carry appendix I keep my buckle in the front but pulled over to about 11:00. That has made all of the difference in the world to me.
If it works for you that’s great. For me anything IWB is just not comfortable. I carry, and have for over 40 years, OWB at 3-4 o clock I can draw and re holster without looking with slow deliberate movement the gun slides back in the holster. I don’t care what works for others, what I do mind is going to a training and having someone demand I change what has worked for me because they were a super operator with PDC agency. There is more than one way to safely carry a firearm.
@@UncleDanBand64 Everything you said, I do. From where I keep my buckle to taking out my holster from my belt to holster my gun. I am happy that smart minds think alike.
At 5’11” 215, I don’t have much of a gut but I’m also not ripped. I have a Tenicor paired with a shield plus. I’ve followed all the instructions and tips and tricks regarding placement and comfort for appendix carry. Tried the pencil method. Tried higher, lower, moving it from straight-up 12 o’clock to 2:30 in small increments. Wedges and no wedge, pillow and mo pillow. Nothing works. Simply can’t get comfortable. At 3:30/4 o’clock the comfort level is fantastic. That’s how I carry. I respect and understand everything said in this video and others about AIWB. And I kinda wish I had the option and that it was comfortable. But it’s not. So for anyone out there reading this who has gone through everything I have, tried many holsters micro adjusted at virtually every position, there’s no shame in putting up your hands and saying “AIWB just doesn’t work for me”.
Everyone is an expert. Me too. With the proper clips, it's easy to take your holster off, point downrange and re-holster, then put the holster back on. Easy and quick to do!
I've spent most of my adult life in the military, where every weapon I've trained on had a safety. However, I recently bought a P365 and found it to be comfortable and easily accessible for appendix carry due to its high concealability. The only concern is that it doesn't have a safety, making me hesitant to keep a chambered round while carrying it in the appendix position.
Outstanding video! As a retired LEO, I still carry at about 4 o'clock because of gun retention training and habit. I really like the idea of caring cross-draw.
I've been appendix carrying and training since 2007 with a cloth uncle Mike's holster and haven't shot myself in the stones yet. I do really feel like I need a holster upgrade though
Why don't you just remove the holster from your belt to holster your weapon? I don't see any scenario where you would need to holster your gun while the holster is on your belt. Yes, it is more time consuming... but I guess it is better to be safe than sorry.
A little note: a gun secured in a holster is only safe if it is the proper holster, designed for that specific gun, and that completely covers and protects the trigger guard and trigger. An improper holster is a great way to put a hole in your leg (or something else important), either while holstering or moving around.
I only carry appendix, i know it's not going to go off but i feel phantom pains in my leg when im carrying sometimes, but overall imo it's the safest bc us appendix advocates are trained to be safe while holstering, we make sure our garment is absolutely cleared and we walk our firearm into the holster. I've seen some people get into a hurry to shove it the holster really fast and it gives me the spooks 😂. Safety depends on the person 🙂
I do not see any scenario where you need to holster your firearm in the holster while it is on your belt in appendix carry. I take away my holster from my belt, holster facing in a safe direction, then put the holster back on my belt. Yes, it is more time consuming, but I will never have to worry my good old trusted friend that have satisfied me oh so many times, by one stupid accident. There is a reason it's called an accident. It may never happen, but when it does, you will wish you didn't take the risk in the first place.
@@houseofhas9355 first you need to understand firearms don't go off by themselves. Learn all the internals that make the gun safe and watch a video on it. Our minds can expect the worst when it comes to doing something we are unfamiliar with such as fear of failure, accidents, you can't let fear control you. Trust me, it may take awhile to get over the fears of carrying appendix, but during that time pray to God, practice and go by sheer faith. It's safe, some may say it's reckless, just don't get to comfortable and be negligent, Jesus loves you and stay safe.
@@joer8386the gun won’t go off by itself especially a glock which is what i carry. every “accidental” shooting is more of a negligent one; shitty holster, finger near the trigger, ect. if you’re careful and watch the gun go in and out you’ll never shoot yourself
@@seawaterr I do not disagree with you. These accidents especially occur in high stress scenarios like I've been in. It's better to be safe than sorry. Even the gun's community most sacred safety rule, which is, "Do not point your gun at anything you do not intend to shoot" says it better than I could. You yourself named two potentials, and that's two too many.
Very good class. I have your Appendix Holster and favor the plastic straps to secure it, you are one of the few that make them available. Price on this item is selling point and its function. Good work.
I have two friends that accidentally shot themselves. One was a marine and the other a Green Beret CIF Captain (they lived). Both are awesome guys and smart individuals. Complacency kills fellas. Don't ever lose respect for what it's capable of.
I conceal carry and I use the appendix style because holstering from the hip hurts my back. I find using that style is very comfortable and most of the time you forget its even there.
New to the channel here. Loving the content and style/editing of the videos. Thank you for all your helpful opinions and guidance on these topics. Keep up the good work! 💪🏻
During a fit of appendix carry anxiety, I decided I would try to see just how hard it would be to set the trigger off on my MR920 while re-holstering. I unloaded my gun, double checked that it was unloaded, moved to another room without any ammo in it, and triple checked that it was unloaded. I then proceeded to intentionally try to re-holster my gun with my trigger finger on the trigger, with an undershirt impinging between the slide and holster, etc... My conclusion was that my anxiety was unfounded. It is actually quite hard to have an ND whilst re-holstering. When my finger was in the trigger guard, my knuckle contacted the Kydex holster before I could ever apply enough force on the trigger to set the gun off, and there was actually a slight pain in my knuckle from doing this. With a stock trigger weight, I don't see how anyone could ND in this way unless they have already pulled some slack out of the trigger, or they are holstering as fast as they possibly can. A shirt or bungee sinch caught in the holster could be much more likely to cause an ND, but it was also difficult to get the gun into the holster at all without realizing that something was seriously hanging up the gun. The biggest killer here would be the speed of the re-holstering and a complete lack of familiarity with how it feels to re-holster the gun under normal circumstances. Ultimately if you visually confirm that your holster is clear of obstructions and keep your trigger finger on the slide, then you are perfectly safe. I think that dryfire practice would be very good to get over this anxiety though. If you can repeat the process hundreds of times without even coming close to setting off your gun while re-holstering, then there is nothing to worry about. My concern is with those people who never practice, and thus they do not have the muscle memory to properly re-holster, slowly and in a controlled manner, under stress (like the lady that failed to re-holster her pistol during the first Trump assassination attempt).
There's an interesting holster that's been out for a while now called the MIC holster. It snaps over the trigger guard and permits what you might call "Mexican carry" or "appendix carry" depending how you look at it. It also allows (in fact it demands) you to reholster off your body before putting the firearm back in place.
You have to practice holstering, certainly. But, in my experience in several years of appendix carry, in daily usage you may not have to take that risk, you just put your holster in your belt with your gun already holstered. And at the end of the day, you took your holster from your belt with your gun in it (unless you need to use your gun during the day, which is very rare to occur).
OMG! I wrote this exact comment in a previous post. I wrote: "I just don't understand why would a person need to holster their gun while their holster is on their belt in the appendix carry. I get into the habit of removing my holster, holstering the gun away from me, then putting my holster back on my belt. Of course, it's more time consuming, but I never have to worry about hurting Ole' Charlie."
Great content. I carry a 43X appendix in a Certum3 with a Zero belt. Just slapped on a foam wedge and good to go. Very comfortable and secure. Excellent combo, completely disappears wearing a normal fit T-shirt. Sometimes I’ll switch it out with a standard Kore Belt, but that’s about it.
One thing that I noticed about reholstering, and the holster used is... to avoid any accident, remove the holster from your waistband, reholster the firearm, and place the holster firearm, back in your waistband.. springclip retention, shouldn't be too hard, and much safer
I forget which instructor it was but he suggested never reholster while in the belt. Pull the holster. Reholster weapon. Then put rig back in belt. I like that way best.
That is exactly how I did it. I became a gun owner in 2010 I carried on my hip outside of the waistband until probably like July of last year. I applied for my concealed carry permit that month and when I was outside, I would open carry, and then I would conceal carry around the house. I went with the appendix position because it is what fell most natural to me. I do understand that the margin for error is a lot smaller and my femoral artery is right there, so when I am doing my dry fire exercises, I put my finger on the outside of the retention clip on my holster, and I keep it flat. I do the same thing when I am at the range and I am drawing from a holster, that is a retention holster outside the waistband. I don’t put the tip of my finger on the button I put the joint on the inside of my finger against the button. I also make sure that every single holster that I have that is an inside the waistband holster covers the trigger.
You had me by @1:10. All my friends carry strong right or small back and mock me saying "just don't shoot your nuts off!". It's the most comfortable and I only worry about printing, that's it. No fear of it going off ever... Thank you for this.
When drawing from a horizontal shoulder holster you flag the non shooting arm unless you raise and tuck. Same issue with a major artery at risk but more people have issues with a weapon pointed at their junk. Know the dangers in the method of your carry and minimize the risks by training.
Very professional explanation, instantly subscribed. I think another good idea is to maybe consider a gun double action triggered, exposed hammer gun with a decocking lever like a Beretta 90 series or SIG P220 series as well as some of the CZ or HK double action pistols.
I’ve always thought about how shoulder holsters are just flagging everyone behind you. Probably completely fine unless you’re carrying a first gen p320.
That's why you would want a vertical shoulder holster. It also makes your gun seem smaller and is even less visible under your arm. It still carries the concern of shooting yourself, but that's why you should never be in a hurry to re-holster it. There's a whole video on shoulder holsters here, on UA-cam.
Correct. Or they carry with the wrong kind of holster. Never ever use a leather or other soft fabric holster. Only use kydex holster made for exactly the gun u r using, lry is that when holstered the trigger guard is completely covered by the kydex holster.
When reholstering you also want to visually verify there is no debris such as a spent casing inside the holster that will cause a negligent discharge... Gear info, thank you sir. Stay safe God Bless ✌️ 🇺🇲
Question for the doubters: how do you get a clean shirt pull to get it out of the way of your grip when your holstering from 3-6 o' clock? you don't lol. You (probably) lean forward to expose your grip and get your hand on it, or use the same hand you'll use to draw to first pick up your shirt or jacket THEN draw. And that's not at all considering how much people print when they carry on their hip, I've yet to see someone able to totally conceal while doing things like sitting or bending over with a hip carry, at least not in a way they can reliable draw. Appendix carry? World record draw to shot times. P.s. great job mentioning the REHOLSTERING process, I have no real data to back it up but I’m pretty sure that's how most of these accidents happen..
I stopped carrying appendix when my wife would tell me I'm printing because the wind would blow and show the gun. She never notices it when I carry strong side even with a G19.
I carry a kydex inside the waistband at 2 o'clock and there's no urgency in reholstering so normally I transfer the weapon to my off hand, pop my holster out of my waistband, reholster my weapon, then reinstall my holster.
I think most people that I know that carry appendix does it this way. I ALWAYS take out my holster. Holstering means that the threat has been eliminated or you are finished shooting and it is safe. Therefore, there is no rush to holster with the holster on your belt.
Another good practice is placing your thumb behind the hammer when holstering. On striker-fired guns, I think you can place your thumb behind the slide, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
I find that people who carry appendix often times invent a lot of stuff to justify it. It's not that I don't think there are reasons to do it. For instance, I do think it leads to a faster draw. I also think it can be very comfortable sometimes. That being said, it's also super dangerous. Like, WAY more dangerous than other carry methods. I can carry in my shoulder holster, on my hip, in a pocket, and NEVER point the gun at myself during the entire time. maybe when it's in holster it will flash me but I'm never holding the gun and aiming it at myself when holstering or drawing. At most you can say that I'm maybe coming close at times but there is a massive difference between holstering into my shoulder holster or on my hip and holstering into the front of my waistband. I think anyone who suggests otherwise is either dishonest or being silly. Also, guns in a holster aren't secure. We shouldn't pretend like they are. Modern guns fail. Holsters fail. Safeties fail. Kids reach their fingers into shit... I'd rather them fail with minimal damage to myself and my surroundings. Relying on the safety of the holster to protect you, seems like a flawed way to think. Yes, when holstered and in a prone position, I'm pointing the gun backwards. Yup... That happens and some of that is unpreventable and is always going to be a concern.. That doesn't mean you don't minimize the risk. I've seen multiple examples of guns going off in a delayed fashion. Pulling the trigger, nothing happens, and then all of a sudden BOOM! Gun goes off. All it takes is one trigger press with no click and no bang and then someone's dumb ass puts the gun back into the holster and.... Well.... Loses their junk or their life. On top of that, there are multiple videos of p320's firing themselves. Guns firing from bumps or drops and people making dumb adjustments to their triggers and making them not safe anymore. I don't want to be a statistic because I didn't avoid something that was incredibly avoidable. In fact, I refused to carry a gun for a good amount of time. You carried for 25 years? Well, I refused to carry for 10 before I felt like I could do it safely. Maybe it's because I've seen enough gore videos to know what happens when that one little thing goes wrong that you didn't plan for or planned around it never happening...
@@Cameron-mw5cr If you believe that please stop carrying a gun. Carrying a gun in any fashion is unsafe. Its how we mitigate those risks that keeps accidents from happening.
I've tried appendix carry (43x) and it really is not comfortable for me, especially bending down at the waist or sitting. (I'm a roofing contractor). I carry 330 on the hip with a Fobus C series.
Sitting can be very comfortable with the right holster. I sit for 6+ hours/day with a Glock 19 in the appendix position and I'm 100% comfortable. Frequent bending over will probably always be an issue for appendix. I can see that being a bad setup if you were doing something like roofing for sure.
Here are the key about safely carrying a gun in the appendix position: 1. Appendix carry refers to carrying a gun inside the waistband between the hip points, roughly from 10:30 to 1:30 position. 2. The speaker, Jeff from Tacor, has carried appendix for 15 years without incident. 3. Appendix carry is considered natural and intuitive, as it places the weapon in an easily accessible front area. 4. It can be more concealable than hip carry, allowing for fitted or athletic clothing. 5. While appendix carry is safe when done properly, it requires a mature skill set and proper mindset due to the smaller margin for error. 6. The main risk comes from the reholstering process, not from carrying itself. 7. Proper equipment is crucial: a good belt, holster, and clothing setup are essential. 8. A defined skill set for drawing and reholstering safely is necessary: - Clear cover garment deliberately - Ensure nothing obstructs the holster - Use a muzzle wedge or body contour on the holster - Bring the heel of the hand to the stomach when reholstering - Rotate the muzzle down to find the holster opening 9. Changing body position (stepping back, tilting hips forward) can increase safety margin when reholstering. 10. The speaker recommends new shooters start with outside waistband carry before progressing to appendix carry. 11. Internalizing and strictly adhering to universal firearm handling rules is crucial for safe carry in any position. 12. The video emphasizes that guns are inherently dangerous and should be treated as such, regardless of carry position.
No matter how safe the holster, or holstering process. It's still breaking one of the 4 major rules of gun safety. "Never point the muzzle at anything that you are not willing to destroy." So for that reason, I will not appendix carry.
@@Manlabs1234 If you're constantly pointing a gun at your wiener you're stupid. You like it that's fine. Everybody's got their own opinion. I happen to think appendix carry is dumb. Especially with a striker fired gun with no manual safety.
This is one reason I like the fact that my carry guns have a safety on them, is that anytime the handgun leaves the holster, I flip the safety on, and I don't flip it back off until the handgun is seated completely back into the holster to avoid accidents. I already have the instinctive habit of keeping my trigger finger extended and out of the trigger guard anyways, but it is always better to be safer than sorry. I was thinking of carrying appendix really soon when my new holster comes in the mail next week and I already thought hard about this. Thanks for the video:-)
Appendix is the best way to carry, but the fear is real, so I think the best way is choosing the most safe gun and training, we are human and shit happens
I posted this as my main comment, it just applies to your message I carry a m&p m2 3.6" barrel appendix. I have the thumb safety lever. I've trained my body to not pull the trigger til drawn, and to slap my safety on the draw. I have a piece of steel blocking my trigger(the safety.) unless something pulls my trigger with enough force to snap the steel. I'm safe. If you are scared of an impact setting of your trigger, just get one with a well placed safety. Then TRAIN with it. I spend 10 minutes everyday drawing and dryfiring with snapcaps. Being I have to move a safety to shoot you have to train your muscle memory to flip it. Appendix carry is as safe as the gunholder.
I carry appendix the majority of the time but in colder weather I also use a cross-draw holster. It provides much of the same positive aspects as the appendix.
It's fine for standing but, Sit down and tell me where the muzzle of the gun is pointing. *Never point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy.*
If LEO or Military lay prone to shoot rifle, does the pistol in their drop leg holster point at people behind them or their own leg? If your pistol is secured at the 3'o'clock in your holster does the muzzle ever point at your butt cheek? Do you bend over and "point the gun" at someone's feet behind you? This concept has been around a while fellas. The universal gun handling rules apply to gun handling. If the weapon is properly secured in a good holster it is no longer being handled. I appreciate the dialog. 🤙
No reason to ever rush the reholster process. Putting your gun away means all threats are accounted for
Better to be deliberate than rush
Unless the guy hits the deck just as you hear police sirens! Put that shit away before they drill you! Dropping it on the floor just buggers the finish and they might swipe it even if they don't shoot you. Once they have it they'll never give it back to you--you're now out a gun even if the judge decides it's legit self-defense.
Speaking of rush. From the camera angle it appears the shooter at :31 seconds was amazingly quick to have finger on trigger. @@tenicorusa
@@slhenorth7002 That's USPSA GM Mark Smith. He's fast.
@@devilsoffspring5519I don’t think that would happen in most cases
"Rules only matter if they change behavior" is a great line in many areas of life.
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@@tenicorusa for me dude, I find carrying on my waist to be the easiest and most convenient when using both semi-auto handguns and revolvers (and this depends on both clothing and holsters being used)
Rule 1: Dont point it at anything youre not willing to destroy. Aka YOUR NARDS
Still a good and informative video tho
when I was taking my CCW class my instructor said "if you take your gun out the world already knows you have it, so take all the time in the world to put that gun back" in 22 years of training he had one injury and guess when it was? yep, when someone was holstering their gun at the end of class.
I always wondered if these instructors ever have it in their minds about this. Its pretty risky to go in front of new gun owners with loaded weapons to teach them I think but I guess 22 years and only 1 accident is a good sign!
Amazing. I got it
Reminds me of all the times you hear about the police shooting a CCW holder who just stopped a mass casualty event. Because he kept his piece visible for too long.
@@PanarchyTheater Have a link or something to an example?
@@PanarchyTheaterwhen did this happen? 😂😂😂
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Finally. Someone made a dedicated video on this that’s actually good
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@@tenicorusaI've carried concealed for over FIFTY years & I've never shot myself because largely because I don't deliberately point a loaded pistol at my testicles &/or femoral arteries...
News flash...all the practice in the World won't make you bulletproof or immune to accidents.
This entire story and information from 2:30 - 3:34 absolutely hit home with me and will forever change the way I handle firearms. Being American and living with my gun owning grandfather, I naturally learned firearm safety. Now that I am an adult and new gun owner, I have definitely had this sense of "guns I know are unloaded are 100% safe", and from this point forward will never think the same. Thank you, sir.
As a fat guy, appendix forces me to lose weight
I heard a marine say once, "your greatest weapon is your fitness." And I'm too heavy and guilty as well, but we spend so much time picking guns and ammo and holster we don't think about the simple. Would I be fast enough to run away if needed or strong enough if the fight got close. A good weapon needs to be maintained, men. You need to be a weapon.
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@@truecross4090Amen! Been hitting the gym M-W-F every week this year and although the scale hasn't moved, I feel strong and confident. At 5'10 and 275, I'm proud of my twelve minute mile 😅 gotta train with my weapons.
Carnivore Diet for the win 🏆 One Meal a day. Tons of videos in UA-cam... Exercise for strength 💪 fitness... Gotta change diet for weight loss...
or you can just open carry lmao
Here's an idea, don't change the factory-installed springs and sears if you're gonna carry with one in the pipe. That will keep your junk safer.
Here’s another idea. Don’t carry one in the chamber. With training you can rack the slide in the same time it takes you to point and shoot.
@@Edward55221absolute horse-hockey but alright
how do you do that on a self assembled lower? lol.
been carrying overwatch precision appendix in a p80 lower appendix for 2 years already no issues. definitely tested it a bunch before but with a glock trigger, it needs to be pulled to fully load the striker spring so nothing can happen even if there is some internal malfunction that drops the sear.
@@Edward55221 if you're going to do that then it's better to not carry than having someone get the jump on you and remove your gun for the use of criminals.
@@Edward55221racking the slide might be the last thing you do.
One of the best appendix carry videos I've seen yet. So much fear mongering from people that still wonder why we choose to carry a round in the chamber. Your lesson concretes my confidence in continuing to carry appendix.
Thank you for such a transparent discussion. We need more of this in the community. I felt exactly as you described when carrying. It was all I could think about. My wife is grabbing steaks and asking me what else is on the grocery list and all I can think about is I have a loaded gun on me in public. Very reassuring to know others feel the same way. It is an incredible responsibility that should be taken with the utmost seriousness.
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@@tenicorusa Absolutely. Not sure how you feel about it but a video of the pros and cons of open carry vs conceal might be a good one. Personally I'm against open carry and don't like seeing guys flexing in public like it's the wild West. Don't really have any positives to say about it other than slightly faster access. Would like to know your thoughts.
I'd like to thank you for the levity at 6:25, and an informational video altogether.
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I was so locked in by this point in the video. That pic completely wiped me out 😂😂
1. Deliberate movements
2. Trigger/ finger discipline
3. Remove holster, reholster, secure holstered weapon in ur appendix carry position
Those r the 3 things I do to ensure my safety. I carry appendix everywhere I go, even if it’s just for a late night drive with no destination
I don’t carry, and was wondering why you wouldn’t just remove the holster. Seems like by far the safest way.
@@ProffesorChaosesFile i now am able to carry and am a little intimidated by that. Think i will do this as well and with everything else in the video im not worried anymore
@@xeeda2259 How's it been a month later, you get comfortable enough to appendix in public yet or still training?
100% pull holster to reholster.
Another excellent video covering every aspect of concealed carry in a thorough and easy to understand way. I especially liked the re-holstering tutorial. I have never seen that explained so well. Sharing this video.
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Approaching 50 years of carry. I was a NRA LEO Firearms Instructor before I trusted myself enough to go appendix carry. In competition it was natural. Now it's all automatic and muscle memory. In a Patrol car it could be very difficult to draw from the seated position. We did not have the appendix carry as an option. Listening to you I sound like I am listening to one of my lectures. Great job Brother and Thank you for your service.
Beware of FBI style jacket wind cords and cinching knobs when reholstering!
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50 years of not carrying. Never felt the need to, never heard of anyone that felt the need.
But I'm European, so I can't relate to constantly feeling threatened by everyone you meet.
@@nilov71if Johanna Blanes would have had a means to defend herself should wouldn’t have been graped and murdered by that Syrian refugee in France. The saying goes “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”. You’re more than free to pretend bad people don’t exist it’s all good.
@nilov71 you never worked in Law Enforcement either I bet!
@stevesweeney7892 No, I haven't...
It's almost like if you don't pull the trigger... the gun won't go off (well SOME guns might.. lol). The fear of appendix carry comes from lack of training and lack of confidence in yourself to safely manipulate the firearm from that position.
Unless it’s a Sig p320
@@papichulo1577 That's why I had to make a little disclaimer lol
It smashed my hotdog so bad.
I’ll carry appendix maybe around 5% of the time, if at all. There’s this universal rule. Never point a gun at anything you don’t want to destroy.
For some reason, we carved out an exception for the most vital part of the human body. I’m not exactly sure why that is, but there are many variables for what can happen. And malfunctions are still part of that equation. And it only takes one incident to ruin your life permanently.
Just imagine, you have a gun so you and your family can be safe, and the very tool that’s supposed to keep you safe is the one that makes you unsafe.
Doesn’t make much sense to me. So, my rule of thumb is, 1 in the chamber… 4-5 o’clock carry 95% of the time. If my gun ever malfunctioned, I’ll have a bad week and perhaps a small surgery. If your gun malfunctions at appendix, it could change your life completely.
And no one is going to take responsibility for what happened to you after it happens, especially the manufacturer.
Ah hmm sig ah hmm
I appreciate framing it as a more mature mindset being needed. I know people who at minute one of learning how to handle and shoot firearms likely had the maturity to handle safe practices around AIWB, and I also know folks who've been around guns their whole lives that I absolutely don't trust with that. I think you can crawl-walk-run those sorts of people into AIWB, but it takes active change from them to make that happen.
Well said
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen this instructor really gets it i also have been carrying appendix for over 32 years and every single thing that this instructor has said was absolutely true I also am a Certified Master Firearms Instructor i was so impressed with the knowledge of this instructor I’m going to also incorporate certain things from his videos to my own advanced Students Hey brother keep up the good work making Great Learning And Teaching videos their only a few instructors who really care about students learning Quality Training Concepts Thank God for people who care the industry of Firearms Training regimes ⭕️⭕️⭕️
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The most clear, concise and common sense perspective on AIWB I've ever seen. Well done.
For me, a small guy, appendix carry is the best choice for a simple reason. I never have to worry about the grip printing when I’m seated or bending over. It’s also way more comfortable when seated.
That is the case for a lot of folks. Thanks for watching
Agreed, I'm a larger guy and with AIWB I EDC a Beretta M9A4 with a Surefire X300U in a T-Rex Sidecar. Doesn't print, isn't uncomfortable at all.
Isn't it uncomfortable to carry appendix when sitting down?
@@tomcat1555 depends on a lot of things, holster setup, body type, size of the firearm. But when it's set up right it's perfectly comfortable.
@@tomcat1555 once you get the ride height correct it’s fine. Im a 5’7” manlet so I can do it with a G19 but no big flashlight or else it gets real uncomfortable
Rule #1 as a gun owner THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED EVEN WHEN ITS NOT
Not when the mags out and the bolts back and chamber clear
Unless it’s an open bolt fire arm then it would be mag out bolt closed
Thanks dad.
@@chrism1586what an ignorant comment
That's the exact same saying when I have to check a diaper
Tessa Booth has a video and demonstrates pivoting your hips forward and moving your torso backwards when reholstering to get any part of body out of the way of muzzle.
Its what I do when reholstering from AIWB.
Changing your body position when reholstering is a good practice 👍
Mas Ayoob has a similar video.
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A few weeks ago, a retired us forces dude shot his balls off in the next bay to me in the outdoor shooting range. He was practicing draw from aiwb holster with p229, I think. He miricaly lived. The guy was experienced for sure, and those accidents do happen to the best of us.
It made me very uneasy to carry my p320xc aiwb and especially with all those "discharged while holstered" news. I will probably switch to the hammer fired decocker ver pistol soon.
I spend most of my shooting time competing in uspsa, but now I dedicate a few sessions a month (maybe 500rds) to practice my live fire appendix draw.
My advice to all, no matter how much experience you think you have, don't get too comfortable, stay sharp. Do daily dryfire before holstering.
Whew, that’s just nuts. Prayers to that dude.
@@wyesolsirius4947nuts lol
I just don't understand why would a person need to holster their gun while their holster is on their belt in the appendix carry. I get into the habit of removing my holster, holstering the gun away from me, then putting my holster back on my belt. Of course, it's more time consuming, but I never have to worry about hurting Ole' Charlie.
@@joer8386 well i don't know either, maybe people just want to look really cool while reholstering, and they think it's worth the risk. YOLO
@@Kit-kk9cb Well, its a quick way to change teams. So, I guess... 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
I found that appendix carry works the best for me for all of the reasons you mentioned. It's also the most comfortable carry method for me. I love my Glock 19s and other striker fired guns, but I carry a CZ-P07, a DA/SA gun with a decocker. The DA trigger pull is about 9 lbs, the SA pull is about 4 lbs. I carry it with a round in the chamber, decocked. When I holster the gun it is decocked and my thumb is on the back of the hammer while holstering.
Great video explanation of appendix carry. I started off Carrying 3 o'clock then because of printing and just figuring out it is way better to carry appendix I started carrying CZ decockers. Now I carry 365s appendix which was kinda scarry at first but you just need to use a good holster and reholster looking it in very carefully. For anyone who wants an extra failsafe and you don't mind carrying a larger more Glock 19 size pistol buy a CZ double action decocker like the P-07, P-01, or a Shadow 2 compact, these give you an extra level of saftey with the longer double action pull as well as being able to keep your thumb over the hammer when reholstering. With your thumb over the hammer you will feel if anything catches the trigger.
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I don't have my appendix anymore, this type of language is very hurtful (LOL)
lol you beat me to it!!! 😂😂😂
Next video title: How I shot myself after 20+ years carrying appendix
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a really good point i heard recently about carrying is that you do NOT need to re holster quicky. ever. if you are holstering your gun then there is no threat, there is no rush. whatever rush there may have been must be over if youre putting your gun away. so its ok to take your time and do it safely.
Agreed. No threat, no reason to rush.
Then, take the holster from your belt and then draw. You can then put the holster on your belt with the gun already inserted without any worries in the world.
I mostly carry IWB at the 4 o-clock position. But if I’m not wearing a jacket or sweatshirt I carry appendix just cause it’s more concealable. 4pm is easily the most comfortable area to carry but comes with a lot of risks with printing and someone grabbing your gun.
How many reports have you seen, read or heard about where the bad guy saw the imprint of a weapon and grabbed it? Pretty hard to do if you're aware of your surroundings, and have your shirt covering the weapon. They would have to pull your shirt up and then grab your weapon without you knowing or fighting back...Pretty hard to do.
what does printing mean in this context?
@@sjagain I actually saw that in a video. Yes, you should ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings... but there will be times you WILL lose focus. There are sooo many things that occurs in your life that it is impossible to remain focus on one though all day long. That is what happened to the guy in the video. He went to talk to really quickly ask the clerk at the register for information when out of no where, a guy comes to his back an in lightning speed, picks up his shirt and removes his gun and runs off. It happened in seconds. I guess the guy noticed the printed gun. Of course, this happened in a place that was not safe, but it just comes to show that when you feel safe, you may lose focus. By carrying it appendix, I never have to worry about getting my gun taken away from me.
very knowledgeable former officer/instructors that helps me learn more confidently on my CC and the laws needed to abide by to not just carry but be a responsible individual around others as a civilian
1. Use the proper holster for your firearm
2. When placing your firearm into the holster, make sure it is properly seated
3. Keep your finger off of the trigger
4. Don't aim it at anything you don't want dead or destroyed
5. If you have to use your firearm, know that whatever is behind what you are about to shoot will also possibly die or get destroyed.
How much more simple do you need it??
Are you ignoring #4? Many people on YT will either ignore, deny or lie about every FACT they simply don't like.
@@benfranklin5335 I have read the babbling riddles of the truly insane, but I have never had even a thought to live by their words. Unlike the 10 commandments, I can easily prove that guns exist, and eventually a day will come where if you have a gun and don't follow those rules, a boom will be heard, someone will die and/or something will be destroyed. I think if people would stop with the PC foolishness of not wanting to offend or hurt feelings, and make them view bodies and the destruction of what bullets do, let them puke a few times...I think it would make people see reality.
@@benfranklin5335 I'm confused....are you saying most people cannot follow simple rules or that the 5 rules are outdated?
And appendix carry violates #4 and arguably #2 and #5 because it is pointed at oneself during holstering, during carry, and during a (possibly stressful) draw.
@@DA-rm5bhthis is what it looks like when thinking scares you
Thanks for an informative video! Being new to concealed carry, I'd never really thought about the reholstering procedure.
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I wear a compression shirt under the t shirt/polo shirt . No chance of shirt getting caught between gun and holster during reholstering .
A good undershirt helps a lot. Thanks for watching.
It helps when you have a little stomach too lol
I carry appendix and almost always holster the firearm out of my pants and then stick the whole thing on my waistband instead of holstering in the waistband to really eliminate the chance of errors.
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Exactly what I do I refuse to holster appendix while it's on me
Me too
@TheRange7 no you dingle I holster it like normal because that's simulating a real life situation, and i always look it into the holster for an added layer of safety. There's no reason to add unnecessary risk by holstering it like I'm at the range every morning when I strap it on.
@TheRange7 that's actually exactly what I do when my kid isnt around, I have metal clips on my holster and a magnet mount in my safe and throw that whole thing in there. I called you a dingle because you posed a situation knowing you'd be "right" just to be right. I was talking about putting it on regularly and I'm sure you knew that. There are countless situations in life we can go all day scenario man
Been waiting on a video like this🙌🏾
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I prefer to carry outside the waist at 3:00. Sometimes based on clothing that is not possible and I appendix carry. My draw is smooth and fluid from either position and slightly faster from appendix. No issues drawing from appendix but, I personally will remove the holster and insert the gun as one unit. Do I have to? No but, I see no reason to be in a hurry to reholster.
I am with you on OWB. I just find any form of IWB very uncomfortable, even with my G42. I do live in an open carry State so I am not concerned about printing from a legal standpoint but people are overly concerned people might notice. It is my experience that 75%+ of the population won't notice an openly carried pistol let alone one that is covered but prints a little bit.
@johnshepherd9676 That is about the same for me. I have found for me appendix carry is comfortable or more comfortable with Micros but, it wasn't until I got the Kore Essentials belt. When I carry appendix my holster is about 1:00 to 1:30. The Kore belt causes a slight stand off at the buckle. Unlike most guys that carry appendix I keep my buckle in the front but pulled over to about 11:00. That has made all of the difference in the world to me.
If it works for you that’s great. For me anything IWB is just not comfortable. I carry, and have for over 40 years, OWB at 3-4 o clock I can draw and re holster without looking with slow deliberate movement the gun slides back in the holster. I don’t care what works for others, what I do mind is going to a training and having someone demand I change what has worked for me because they were a super operator with PDC agency. There is more than one way to safely carry a firearm.
@@takedeadaim8671 I agree 100% carry the way you like.
@@UncleDanBand64 Everything you said, I do. From where I keep my buckle to taking out my holster from my belt to holster my gun. I am happy that smart minds think alike.
This guy knows his stuff! Great vid
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“…25yrs ago when I first started carrying a…SMG as a 5yo…” Nice insert😂👍🏾
He's actually super old. It's those Asian genes that makes him look young.
@@tenicorusa 😂😜
At 5’11” 215, I don’t have much of a gut but I’m also not ripped. I have a Tenicor paired with a shield plus. I’ve followed all the instructions and tips and tricks regarding placement and comfort for appendix carry. Tried the pencil method. Tried higher, lower, moving it from straight-up 12 o’clock to 2:30 in small increments. Wedges and no wedge, pillow and mo pillow. Nothing works. Simply can’t get comfortable.
At 3:30/4 o’clock the comfort level is fantastic. That’s how I carry. I respect and understand everything said in this video and others about AIWB. And I kinda wish I had the option and that it was comfortable. But it’s not. So for anyone out there reading this who has gone through everything I have, tried many holsters micro adjusted at virtually every position, there’s no shame in putting up your hands and saying “AIWB just doesn’t work for me”.
A 1911 style gun with a thumb safety and a grip safety helps.
Don’t need either if you’re keeping the trigger guard clear. If your gun goes off without the trigger being pulled, why are you carrying it?
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Tyler, @luigisavoia is correct. . . ☆
Everyone is an expert. Me too. With the proper clips, it's easy to take your holster off, point downrange and re-holster, then put the holster back on. Easy and quick to do!
This is why I prefer DA / SA when appendix carrying. Thumb on the hammer during reholster.
I've spent most of my adult life in the military, where every weapon I've trained on had a safety. However, I recently bought a P365 and found it to be comfortable and easily accessible for appendix carry due to its high concealability. The only concern is that it doesn't have a safety, making me hesitant to keep a chambered round while carrying it in the appendix position.
I carry a gen 1 p320 apendix 12 o'clock just to keep me on edge
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The rush you must feel has got to be INCREDIBLE 😂
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This is the way I have always carried, most comfortable and best access….love it
These informative videos are wonderful, keep it up. Love my Malus sol and zero belt
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Outstanding video! As a retired LEO, I still carry at about 4 o'clock because of gun retention training and habit. I really like the idea of caring cross-draw.
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I've been appendix carrying and training since 2007 with a cloth uncle Mike's holster and haven't shot myself in the stones yet.
I do really feel like I need a holster upgrade though
You definitely need a new holster dude
@brendanireland5561 I really do.
That old holster wanted to die years ago
Why don't you just remove the holster from your belt to holster your weapon? I don't see any scenario where you would need to holster your gun while the holster is on your belt. Yes, it is more time consuming... but I guess it is better to be safe than sorry.
A little note: a gun secured in a holster is only safe if it is the proper holster, designed for that specific gun, and that completely covers and protects the trigger guard and trigger. An improper holster is a great way to put a hole in your leg (or something else important), either while holstering or moving around.
I only carry appendix, i know it's not going to go off but i feel phantom pains in my leg when im carrying sometimes, but overall imo it's the safest bc us appendix advocates are trained to be safe while holstering, we make sure our garment is absolutely cleared and we walk our firearm into the holster. I've seen some people get into a hurry to shove it the holster really fast and it gives me the spooks 😂. Safety depends on the person 🙂
How long you been doing it. How does one get into it. The fear as a newbie it scares me. I don't want to lose my junk 😂
I do not see any scenario where you need to holster your firearm in the holster while it is on your belt in appendix carry. I take away my holster from my belt, holster facing in a safe direction, then put the holster back on my belt. Yes, it is more time consuming, but I will never have to worry my good old trusted friend that have satisfied me oh so many times, by one stupid accident. There is a reason it's called an accident. It may never happen, but when it does, you will wish you didn't take the risk in the first place.
@@houseofhas9355 first you need to understand firearms don't go off by themselves. Learn all the internals that make the gun safe and watch a video on it. Our minds can expect the worst when it comes to doing something we are unfamiliar with such as fear of failure, accidents, you can't let fear control you. Trust me, it may take awhile to get over the fears of carrying appendix, but during that time pray to God, practice and go by sheer faith. It's safe, some may say it's reckless, just don't get to comfortable and be negligent, Jesus loves you and stay safe.
@@joer8386the gun won’t go off by itself especially a glock which is what i carry. every “accidental” shooting is more of a negligent one; shitty holster, finger near the trigger, ect. if you’re careful and watch the gun go in and out you’ll never shoot yourself
@@seawaterr I do not disagree with you. These accidents especially occur in high stress scenarios like I've been in. It's better to be safe than sorry. Even the gun's community most sacred safety rule, which is, "Do not point your gun at anything you do not intend to shoot" says it better than I could. You yourself named two potentials, and that's two too many.
Very good class. I have your Appendix Holster and favor the plastic straps to secure it, you are one of the few that make them available. Price on this item is selling point and its function. Good work.
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I love safeties just for reholstering. Safety on -> reholster -> safety off 👍
I have two friends that accidentally shot themselves. One was a marine and the other a Green Beret CIF Captain (they lived). Both are awesome guys and smart individuals. Complacency kills fellas. Don't ever lose respect for what it's capable of.
6:23 mark! Hysterical 😂😂😂😂 Way to insert a moment of levity into such a serious video. Okay……back to the video.
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I conceal carry and I use the appendix style because holstering from the hip hurts my back. I find using that style is very comfortable and most of the time you forget its even there.
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During a fit of appendix carry anxiety, I decided I would try to see just how hard it would be to set the trigger off on my MR920 while re-holstering. I unloaded my gun, double checked that it was unloaded, moved to another room without any ammo in it, and triple checked that it was unloaded. I then proceeded to intentionally try to re-holster my gun with my trigger finger on the trigger, with an undershirt impinging between the slide and holster, etc...
My conclusion was that my anxiety was unfounded. It is actually quite hard to have an ND whilst re-holstering. When my finger was in the trigger guard, my knuckle contacted the Kydex holster before I could ever apply enough force on the trigger to set the gun off, and there was actually a slight pain in my knuckle from doing this. With a stock trigger weight, I don't see how anyone could ND in this way unless they have already pulled some slack out of the trigger, or they are holstering as fast as they possibly can.
A shirt or bungee sinch caught in the holster could be much more likely to cause an ND, but it was also difficult to get the gun into the holster at all without realizing that something was seriously hanging up the gun. The biggest killer here would be the speed of the re-holstering and a complete lack of familiarity with how it feels to re-holster the gun under normal circumstances.
Ultimately if you visually confirm that your holster is clear of obstructions and keep your trigger finger on the slide, then you are perfectly safe.
I think that dryfire practice would be very good to get over this anxiety though. If you can repeat the process hundreds of times without even coming close to setting off your gun while re-holstering, then there is nothing to worry about. My concern is with those people who never practice, and thus they do not have the muscle memory to properly re-holster, slowly and in a controlled manner, under stress (like the lady that failed to re-holster her pistol during the first Trump assassination attempt).
Very logical test for safety, I will try it out!
I always remove the holster from my waist to reholster.
I'm new to conceal carry an will start doing that as well lol
There's an interesting holster that's been out for a while now called the MIC holster. It snaps over the trigger guard and permits what you might call "Mexican carry" or "appendix carry" depending how you look at it. It also allows (in fact it demands) you to reholster off your body before putting the firearm back in place.
First rule of thumb...keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire. Second rule before you reholster put the safety on.
Doesnt really work for glocks, they dont have manual safeties
I really benefited from this video.the guy is well versed on it.thank you so much
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You have to practice holstering, certainly. But, in my experience in several years of appendix carry, in daily usage you may not have to take that risk, you just put your holster in your belt with your gun already holstered. And at the end of the day, you took your holster from your belt with your gun in it (unless you need to use your gun during the day, which is very rare to occur).
I'm definitely doing this. No need to play "Quick Draw McGraw" and run the risk of an accident.
Agreed. I NEVER remove my gun from the holster unless I’m firing it or cleaning it.
OMG! I wrote this exact comment in a previous post. I wrote:
"I just don't understand why would a person need to holster their gun while their holster is on their belt in the appendix carry. I get into the habit of removing my holster, holstering the gun away from me, then putting my holster back on my belt. Of course, it's more time consuming, but I never have to worry about hurting Ole' Charlie."
Great content. I carry a 43X appendix in a Certum3 with a Zero belt. Just slapped on a foam wedge and good to go. Very comfortable and secure. Excellent combo, completely disappears wearing a normal fit T-shirt. Sometimes I’ll switch it out with a standard Kore Belt, but that’s about it.
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Thanks for another great informational vid Jeff!
😂 Thanks for watching
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Bro I lost it 😂😂😂
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One thing that I noticed about reholstering, and the holster used is... to avoid any accident, remove the holster from your waistband, reholster the firearm, and place the holster firearm, back in your waistband.. springclip retention, shouldn't be too hard, and much safer
I forget which instructor it was but he suggested never reholster while in the belt. Pull the holster. Reholster weapon. Then put rig back in belt. I like that way best.
I do the same every morning! Seems almost bulletproof safety as long as following other basic rules.
If your gun has a safety but you don't use it normally, it can still be used when holstering, then switched off.
Retired LEO and was trained that way for our off duty carry. Always holstered after removing the holster from the waistband
Not taking my pants off to reholster my gun. Maybe don't carry if you're that paranoid.
@@wadewilson6628 noone said take your pants off. It was take holster out. Insert gun. Hook on belt for appendix
That is exactly how I did it. I became a gun owner in 2010 I carried on my hip outside of the waistband until probably like July of last year. I applied for my concealed carry permit that month and when I was outside, I would open carry, and then I would conceal carry around the house. I went with the appendix position because it is what fell most natural to me. I do understand that the margin for error is a lot smaller and my femoral artery is right there, so when I am doing my dry fire exercises, I put my finger on the outside of the retention clip on my holster, and I keep it flat. I do the same thing when I am at the range and I am drawing from a holster, that is a retention holster outside the waistband. I don’t put the tip of my finger on the button I put the joint on the inside of my finger against the button. I also make sure that every single holster that I have that is an inside the waistband holster covers the trigger.
I have carried appendix for 40 years with no problems, great when setting at a desk or at a movie.
You had me by @1:10. All my friends carry strong right or small back and mock me saying "just don't shoot your nuts off!". It's the most comfortable and I only worry about printing, that's it. No fear of it going off ever... Thank you for this.
Someone should make a bulletproof holster
Please think about that
When drawing from a horizontal shoulder holster you flag the non shooting arm unless you raise and tuck. Same issue with a major artery at risk but more people have issues with a weapon pointed at their junk. Know the dangers in the method of your carry and minimize the risks by training.
Totally safe as long as you’re not carrying a sig
as a P226 mk25 owner, i agree 95%😂
Sig 320?
What's bad about the Sig other than no trigger safety?
Wasn't it the 320s that had a problem. Haven't heard of any problems like that with the 365s
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The irony of him ending the video by saying “If you’d like to avoid other common conceal carry mistakes” and then points to his junk.
Gotta make a holster for CZs
We might at some point. No timeline right now though.
Very professional explanation, instantly subscribed. I think another good idea is to maybe consider a gun double action triggered, exposed hammer gun with a decocking lever like a Beretta 90 series or SIG P220 series as well as some of the CZ or HK double action pistols.
I’ve always thought about how shoulder holsters are just flagging everyone behind you. Probably completely fine unless you’re carrying a first gen p320.
That's why you would want a vertical shoulder holster. It also makes your gun seem smaller and is even less visible under your arm. It still carries the concern of shooting yourself, but that's why you should never be in a hurry to re-holster it. There's a whole video on shoulder holsters here, on UA-cam.
Why should I care about people behind me?
This type of content reaffirms why I daily carry a Tenicor holster and why I believe in this brand
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Appendix carry just reminds me of how much weight I need to lose
In the 90's, everyone used to mock gang members for appendix carry, now everyone does it
People used to mock it because they carry it without a holster
Correct. Or they carry with the wrong kind of holster. Never ever use a leather or other soft fabric holster. Only use kydex holster made for exactly the gun u r using, lry is that when holstered the trigger guard is completely covered by the kydex holster.
“Feels more dangerous than it actually is” should be replaced with “feels AS dangerous AS it actually is”
But it's not dangerous if you do it properly.. thats the whole point of the video
Great video…I’ve been carrying my 66-2 snub appendix since 2005 and haven’t even come close to shooting myself.
bro why is 5:10 say mostly replayed lmaooo
When reholstering you also want to visually verify there is no debris such as a spent casing inside the holster that will cause a negligent discharge...
Gear info, thank you sir.
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Question for the doubters: how do you get a clean shirt pull to get it out of the way of your grip when your holstering from 3-6 o' clock? you don't lol. You (probably) lean forward to expose your grip and get your hand on it, or use the same hand you'll use to draw to first pick up your shirt or jacket THEN draw. And that's not at all considering how much people print when they carry on their hip, I've yet to see someone able to totally conceal while doing things like sitting or bending over with a hip carry, at least not in a way they can reliable draw. Appendix carry? World record draw to shot times. P.s. great job mentioning the REHOLSTERING process, I have no real data to back it up but I’m pretty sure that's how most of these accidents happen..
Ahhhhhh, see there's your problem. You think we care what the dickshooter crowd says.
I stopped carrying appendix when my wife would tell me I'm printing because the wind would blow and show the gun. She never notices it when I carry strong side even with a G19.
It's only dangerous if you're carrying a Sig.
I carry a kydex inside the waistband at 2 o'clock and there's no urgency in reholstering so normally I transfer the weapon to my off hand, pop my holster out of my waistband, reholster my weapon, then reinstall my holster.
I think most people that I know that carry appendix does it this way. I ALWAYS take out my holster. Holstering means that the threat has been eliminated or you are finished shooting and it is safe. Therefore, there is no rush to holster with the holster on your belt.
I hear all this same stuff about pocket carrying. I've been pocket carrying for 11 years. No issues.
Pocket carry is safer in my opinion with good kydex holster, it eliminates the re-holster process.
Another good practice is placing your thumb behind the hammer when holstering. On striker-fired guns, I think you can place your thumb behind the slide, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
I find that people who carry appendix often times invent a lot of stuff to justify it. It's not that I don't think there are reasons to do it. For instance, I do think it leads to a faster draw. I also think it can be very comfortable sometimes.
That being said, it's also super dangerous. Like, WAY more dangerous than other carry methods. I can carry in my shoulder holster, on my hip, in a pocket, and NEVER point the gun at myself during the entire time. maybe when it's in holster it will flash me but I'm never holding the gun and aiming it at myself when holstering or drawing. At most you can say that I'm maybe coming close at times but there is a massive difference between holstering into my shoulder holster or on my hip and holstering into the front of my waistband. I think anyone who suggests otherwise is either dishonest or being silly.
Also, guns in a holster aren't secure. We shouldn't pretend like they are. Modern guns fail. Holsters fail. Safeties fail. Kids reach their fingers into shit... I'd rather them fail with minimal damage to myself and my surroundings. Relying on the safety of the holster to protect you, seems like a flawed way to think. Yes, when holstered and in a prone position, I'm pointing the gun backwards. Yup... That happens and some of that is unpreventable and is always going to be a concern.. That doesn't mean you don't minimize the risk. I've seen multiple examples of guns going off in a delayed fashion. Pulling the trigger, nothing happens, and then all of a sudden BOOM! Gun goes off.
All it takes is one trigger press with no click and no bang and then someone's dumb ass puts the gun back into the holster and.... Well.... Loses their junk or their life.
On top of that, there are multiple videos of p320's firing themselves. Guns firing from bumps or drops and people making dumb adjustments to their triggers and making them not safe anymore.
I don't want to be a statistic because I didn't avoid something that was incredibly avoidable. In fact, I refused to carry a gun for a good amount of time. You carried for 25 years? Well, I refused to carry for 10 before I felt like I could do it safely. Maybe it's because I've seen enough gore videos to know what happens when that one little thing goes wrong that you didn't plan for or planned around it never happening...
Carrying appendix is not unsafe at all
@@Cameron-mw5cr If you believe that please stop carrying a gun. Carrying a gun in any fashion is unsafe. Its how we mitigate those risks that keeps accidents from happening.
Thanks for the well crafted response. Sums up my feelings as well.
@@wadewilson6628 “carrying a gun in any fashion is unsafe” no it’s not, as long as you have a proper holster it’s completely safe .
I've tried appendix carry (43x) and it really is not comfortable for me, especially bending down at the waist or sitting. (I'm a roofing contractor). I carry 330 on the hip with a Fobus C series.
Sitting can be very comfortable with the right holster. I sit for 6+ hours/day with a Glock 19 in the appendix position and I'm 100% comfortable.
Frequent bending over will probably always be an issue for appendix. I can see that being a bad setup if you were doing something like roofing for sure.
For the small advantages, I don’t think it’s worth the risk it presents every time you draw and reholster
Yep. I'd rather take off a piece of my buttcheek than my junk. Why anyone flag their family jewels on purpose escapes me.
@@Dan.50because it’s completely safe and a comfortable way to carry for some people especially with larger firearms ?
Here are the key about safely carrying a gun in the appendix position:
1. Appendix carry refers to carrying a gun inside the waistband between the hip points, roughly from 10:30 to 1:30 position.
2. The speaker, Jeff from Tacor, has carried appendix for 15 years without incident.
3. Appendix carry is considered natural and intuitive, as it places the weapon in an easily accessible front area.
4. It can be more concealable than hip carry, allowing for fitted or athletic clothing.
5. While appendix carry is safe when done properly, it requires a mature skill set and proper mindset due to the smaller margin for error.
6. The main risk comes from the reholstering process, not from carrying itself.
7. Proper equipment is crucial: a good belt, holster, and clothing setup are essential.
8. A defined skill set for drawing and reholstering safely is necessary:
- Clear cover garment deliberately
- Ensure nothing obstructs the holster
- Use a muzzle wedge or body contour on the holster
- Bring the heel of the hand to the stomach when reholstering
- Rotate the muzzle down to find the holster opening
9. Changing body position (stepping back, tilting hips forward) can increase safety margin when reholstering.
10. The speaker recommends new shooters start with outside waistband carry before progressing to appendix carry.
11. Internalizing and strictly adhering to universal firearm handling rules is crucial for safe carry in any position.
12. The video emphasizes that guns are inherently dangerous and should be treated as such, regardless of carry position.
No matter how safe the holster, or holstering process. It's still breaking one of the 4 major rules of gun safety. "Never point the muzzle at anything that you are not willing to destroy." So for that reason, I will not appendix carry.
Okay idiot
@@Manlabs1234 If you're constantly pointing a gun at your wiener you're stupid. You like it that's fine. Everybody's got their own opinion. I happen to think appendix carry is dumb. Especially with a striker fired gun with no manual safety.
0:32 intro clip shows finger on trigger pointing at femoral artery in appendix draw
Depends on where the leg is (out of frame). And that finger isn't on the trigger at 0:32...
Very false
This is one reason I like the fact that my carry guns have a safety on them, is that anytime the handgun leaves the holster, I flip the safety on, and I don't flip it back off until the handgun is seated completely back into the holster to avoid accidents. I already have the instinctive habit of keeping my trigger finger extended and out of the trigger guard anyways, but it is always better to be safer than sorry. I was thinking of carrying appendix really soon when my new holster comes in the mail next week and I already thought hard about this. Thanks for the video:-)
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Appendix is the best way to carry, but the fear is real, so I think the best way is choosing the most safe gun and training, we are human and shit happens
I posted this as my main comment, it just applies to your message
I carry a m&p m2 3.6" barrel appendix. I have the thumb safety lever. I've trained my body to not pull the trigger til drawn, and to slap my safety on the draw. I have a piece of steel blocking my trigger(the safety.) unless something pulls my trigger with enough force to snap the steel. I'm safe.
If you are scared of an impact setting of your trigger, just get one with a well placed safety. Then TRAIN with it. I spend 10 minutes everyday drawing and dryfiring with snapcaps. Being I have to move a safety to shoot you have to train your muscle memory to flip it. Appendix carry is as safe as the gunholder.
Best way for you. We all aren't shaped the same or have the same range of movement. Watch out with the blanket statements dickshooter.
I carry appendix the majority of the time but in colder weather I also use a cross-draw holster. It provides much of the same positive aspects as the appendix.
It's fine for standing but, Sit down and tell me where the muzzle of the gun is pointing.
*Never point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy.*
The rules of firearms safety don't apply when it's holstered.
@@tenicorusa That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
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@@tenicorusa He's right though. The rules always apply.
If LEO or Military lay prone to shoot rifle, does the pistol in their drop leg holster point at people behind them or their own leg? If your pistol is secured at the 3'o'clock in your holster does the muzzle ever point at your butt cheek? Do you bend over and "point the gun" at someone's feet behind you? This concept has been around a while fellas. The universal gun handling rules apply to gun handling. If the weapon is properly secured in a good holster it is no longer being handled.
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