Here's how I've not shot myself in 20+ years of carrying a gun
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Jeff talks about appendix carry and why it is not as dangerous as some internet commenters think.
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"Rules only matter if they change behavior" is a great line in many areas of life.
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@@tenicorusa for me dude, I find carrying on my waist to be the easiest and most convenient when using both semi-auto handguns and revolvers (and this depends on both clothing and holsters being used)
No reason to ever rush the reholster process. Putting your gun away means all threats are accounted for
Better to be deliberate than rush
Unless the guy hits the deck just as you hear police sirens! Put that shit away before they drill you! Dropping it on the floor just buggers the finish and they might swipe it even if they don't shoot you. Once they have it they'll never give it back to you--you're now out a gun even if the judge decides it's legit self-defense.
Speaking of rush. From the camera angle it appears the shooter at :31 seconds was amazingly quick to have finger on trigger. @@tenicorusa
@@slhenorth7002 That's USPSA GM Mark Smith. He's fast.
@@devilsoffspring5519I don’t think that would happen in most cases
Here's an idea, don't change the factory-installed springs and sears if you're gonna carry with one in the pipe. That will keep your junk safer.
reading that makes me like my 7lb trigger even more lol
Here’s another idea. Don’t carry one in the chamber. With training you can rack the slide in the same time it takes you to point and shoot.
@@Edward55221absolute horse-hockey but alright
how do you do that on a self assembled lower? lol.
been carrying overwatch precision appendix in a p80 lower appendix for 2 years already no issues. definitely tested it a bunch before but with a glock trigger, it needs to be pulled to fully load the striker spring so nothing can happen even if there is some internal malfunction that drops the sear.
@@Edward55221 if you're going to do that then it's better to not carry than having someone get the jump on you and remove your gun for the use of criminals.
A 1911 style gun with a thumb safety and a grip safety helps.
Approaching 50 years of carry. I was a NRA LEO Firearms Instructor before I trusted myself enough to go appendix carry. In competition it was natural. Now it's all automatic and muscle memory. In a Patrol car it could be very difficult to draw from the seated position. We did not have the appendix carry as an option. Listening to you I sound like I am listening to one of my lectures. Great job Brother and Thank you for your service.
Beware of FBI style jacket wind cords and cinching knobs when reholstering!
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50 years of not carrying. Never felt the need to, never heard of anyone that felt the need.
But I'm European, so I can't relate to constantly feeling threatened by everyone you meet.
@@nilov71if Johanna Blanes would have had a means to defend herself should wouldn’t have been graped and murdered by that Syrian refugee in France. The saying goes “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”. You’re more than free to pretend bad people don’t exist it’s all good.
@nilov71 you never worked in Law Enforcement either I bet!
@stevesweeney7892 No, I haven't...
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen this instructor really gets it i also have been carrying appendix for over 32 years and every single thing that this instructor has said was absolutely true I also am a Certified Master Firearms Instructor i was so impressed with the knowledge of this instructor I’m going to also incorporate certain things from his videos to my own advanced Students Hey brother keep up the good work making Great Learning And Teaching videos their only a few instructors who really care about students learning Quality Training Concepts Thank God for people who care the industry of Firearms Training regimes ⭕️⭕️⭕️
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Another excellent video covering every aspect of concealed carry in a thorough and easy to understand way. I especially liked the re-holstering tutorial. I have never seen that explained so well. Sharing this video.
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“…25yrs ago when I first started carrying a…SMG as a 5yo…” Nice insert😂👍🏾
He's actually super old. It's those Asian genes that makes him look young.
@@tenicorusa 😂😜
I always remove the holster from my waist to reholster.
I'm new to conceal carry an will start doing that as well lol
very knowledgeable former officer/instructors that helps me learn more confidently on my CC and the laws needed to abide by to not just carry but be a responsible individual around others as a civilian
This is the way I have always carried, most comfortable and best access….love it
This guy knows his stuff! Great vid
Thanks for watching 👍
I love safeties just for reholstering. Safety on -> reholster -> safety off 👍
This is why I prefer DA / SA when appendix carrying. Thumb on the hammer during reholster.
You have to practice holstering, certainly. But, in my experience in several years of appendix carry, in daily usage you may not have to take that risk, you just put your holster in your belt with your gun already holstered. And at the end of the day, you took your holster from your belt with your gun in it (unless you need to use your gun during the day, which is very rare to occur).
I'm definitely doing this. No need to play "Quick Draw McGraw" and run the risk of an accident.
Agreed. I NEVER remove my gun from the holster unless I’m firing it or cleaning it.
OMG! I wrote this exact comment in a previous post. I wrote:
"I just don't understand why would a person need to holster their gun while their holster is on their belt in the appendix carry. I get into the habit of removing my holster, holstering the gun away from me, then putting my holster back on my belt. Of course, it's more time consuming, but I never have to worry about hurting Ole' Charlie."
6:23 mark! Hysterical 😂😂😂😂 Way to insert a moment of levity into such a serious video. Okay……back to the video.
We try 😁
One thing that I noticed about reholstering, and the holster used is... to avoid any accident, remove the holster from your waistband, reholster the firearm, and place the holster firearm, back in your waistband.. springclip retention, shouldn't be too hard, and much safer
Been waiting on a video like this🙌🏾
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I personally just appendix carry safety off, empty chamber. Sure it's minimally slower to be ready since you have to cycle it but it's pretty much guaranteed safe while carrying even against some freak accident that somehow has a double action trigger pull happening while holstered.
Great content. I carry a 43X appendix in a Certum3 with a Zero belt. Just slapped on a foam wedge and good to go. Very comfortable and secure. Excellent combo, completely disappears wearing a normal fit T-shirt. Sometimes I’ll switch it out with a standard Kore Belt, but that’s about it.
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If you train it is safe. Holster cautiously, slowly and make sure nothing is in the holster. Never had an issue and like AIWB when driving etc.
Next video title: How I shot myself after 20+ years carrying appendix
The risk is never 0%. 😂
I did appendix for my first year but I’ve become more comfortable with hip carry now so that’s what I do. Plus it’s more concealable on my body and how I dress
I carry between 1-2 o'clock, canted slightly away from junk, where 12 is my junk and 3 is my waist.
Totally safe as long as you’re not carrying a sig
as a P226 mk25 owner, i agree 95%😂
Sig 320?
What's bad about the Sig other than no trigger safety?
Wasn't it the 320s that had a problem. Haven't heard of any problems like that with the 365s
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I really benefited from this video.the guy is well versed on it.thank you so much
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What is the rule he was following that said you could cover a muzzle with your palm? 30 years LEO and I've never heard that one. Also never heard of any rules for "unloaded guns," other than treat them like they're loaded.
If you carry a gun you should take a course that goes over positional shooting/ drawing, weapons retention and clothing considerations. Before you choose how you carry you need to consider drawing from standing, sitting, moving, kneeling, belly down, on back, on side etc as not all fights are on your two feet in perfect stance. You should also consider taking a gun jitsu style course where you learn actual hands on weapons retention and how it relates to your carry position for the pros and cons of each.
Each carry style - IWB 3-430, IWB Appendix , OWB and off body are all going to have their pros and cons and its important to run through potential considerations and have a plan.
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Thanks for another great informational vid Jeff!
😂 Thanks for watching
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Bro I lost it 😂😂😂
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Appendix carry for 28yrs. Never had a problem. It has always been a Bianchi. Appears they don't make the particular model anymore.
I guess I'll try the kydex models now.
I've spent around $1,500-$2,000 in appendix carry holsters. I'm 5'7 and weight around 205-210 lbs. I've never found a holster that works for me. They all rub or stick my belly.So I've hip carried for 45+yrs. I've ran into a lot of people over the years that said try this or that. Nothing works.
Appendix is probably the trickiest one to fit properly for sure. We're fans of our holsters, obviously, but there will probably always be scenarios where they're not the right choice.
New to the channel here. Loving the content and style/editing of the videos. Thank you for all your helpful opinions and guidance on these topics. Keep up the good work! 💪🏻
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Overall wonderful video! The only critique is when you were reviewing why a holstered gun can be "pointed" at yourself or others, I think it would have been very useful to explain why. "Properly secured in a holster" makes sense to me but explaining that a properly holstered gun has the trigger guard fully covered and cannot be fired would have driven the point home for newer shooters.
Great feedback, thanks. We need to address that whole topic in a separate video as it is apparently quite controversial and misunderstood.
This could've been a 10sec video.
"Here's how I've not shot myself in 20+ years of carrying a gun"
- I keep my finger off the trigger until I'm ready to fire
- I use a quality holster that covers the trigger
I have been carrying for 10 years now. I have plenty of rounds down range and advanced classes taken. Not an expert yet but pretty experienced shooter and carrier.
I have tried to make the move to appendix carry a couple times. I just can’t get comfortable while driving.
Gotta make a holster for CZs
We might at some point. No timeline right now though.
Tenicor holster and belt makes Appendix carry easy and super comfortable, Best way to go!
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When I first started carrying, it did give me some pause to carry appendix but after a fairly short time I became quite comfortable with it. Appendix is the only concealed carry position that i can comfortably use AND not have any issues with printing. Or sitting and having the chair uncomfortably mash the gun into my back or hip.
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i find the shoulder or belly wrap belt works best for me, my gun is positioned on my right, slightly forward, and its basically above my hip at the lower rib, and its so natural to me; especially when sometimes my comfortable restring position is i just relaxed, put my hand kinda under my arm in that resting position, and, no one sees it especially if i wear Hawaiian shirts.
3:22 hold on hold on that was a hard ass line everybody need to ss that
Question for the doubters: how do you get a clean shirt pull to get it out of the way of your grip when your holstering from 3-6 o' clock? you don't lol. You (probably) lean forward to expose your grip and get your hand on it, or use the same hand you'll use to draw to first pick up your shirt or jacket THEN draw. And that's not at all considering how much people print when they carry on their hip, I've yet to see someone able to totally conceal while doing things like sitting or bending over with a hip carry, at least not in a way they can reliable draw. Appendix carry? World record draw to shot times. P.s. great job mentioning the REHOLSTERING process, I have no real data to back it up but I’m pretty sure that's how most of these accidents happen..
Ahhhhhh, see there's your problem. You think we care what the dickshooter crowd says.
Thank you great video lots of information very clear to understand and a lot of great points !!!!
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I prefer to follow the safety rule, "Never point your firearm at anything you are not ready and willing to destroy." YMMV
If you reholster properly, you won't violate the rule.
Cons: Sitting hurts and makes it useless.
Barrel is pointing at you.
Appendix carry requires a twist motion in order to point at target.
Takes longer to un-holster. To re-holster is more risky and most do not take it as serious as 4 o'clock.
Wrist movements required.
Not for fat people!
Pros: concealed better in certain circumstances.
Can carry larger.
Etc.
I agree, Appendix is super fast to draw from- I have dunlap disease so I can only carry on the side or shoulder holster unfortunately.
Good stuff.
Training is essential. But it can also make you complacent. We have to fight to stay diligent while training.
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Excellent advice. Thank you.
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Appendix carry = more control with deliberate movements. Good video.
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@@tenicorusa Thank you, my pleasure.
Watching this while carrying in a Tenicor Velo 4. Great holsters
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I hope it’s not too controversial but I actually more often than not remove my holster entirely before putting my handgun back inside of it. And then I put the whole thing back into my belt.
It depends on the exact situation I am in and I am also comfortable holstering normally if need be.
I just try to take as many precautions as possible, at least ones that I personally find reasonable.
Very informative and high quality video though.
I didn’t know you guys had a UA-cam channel. I’ll definitely drop a sub and check some of your other content out.
A post on a popular LEO forum concerning appendix carry;
"Pass. Whatever 10th of a second faster it is is not worth the trade off for reduced retention when tangled up with someone.
A gun in the front is just as accessible to the guy you're fighting as it is to you. A gun on your hip you can pin between your body and the ground. I'd also rather not be trying to trap a gun in the holster when it's pointed at major arteries or my manhood."
That's all completely dependent on the grappling match. I've grappled plenty with holsters in various positions and wouldn't give either one much of an advantage.
Until you have to sit down
If you have a good holster it’s not that big a deal doesn’t bother me at all
In the wise words of the flannel man, if you’re not fit, you’re gonna die
I carry SADA and I just keep my thumb firmly on the hammer while reholstering. If I ever feel that hammer move back I'll stop and assess what the heck is happening.
They should make the tip of the holster a bullet proof material just in case it goes off in the holster it won’t penetrate you .
I really hope this is sarcasm
THE GUN IS LOADED. Period. End of Discussion.
No one on gun safety videos ever suggests this: live your life in a manner so that you’re never in a position or place when draw, sight picture, squeeze is a matter of tenths of seconds. Then you can carry chamber-empty and unholstering/reholstering becomes far less stressful. Think about it. Unless you’re a cop, detective, Fed or maybe some type of money changer why carry one in the pipe? I’m 52 years old and have never faced a situation so dangerous that I didn’t have time to rack a weapon. Or even easier, carry a decent wheel gun. Again at 52 I’ve never even needed one live round for self defense. Let alone 15+1. Cops worked 30 year careers through the 1980’s carrying 6 rounds in a .38 or .357
I carry appendix and while I was nervous in the beginning.. I don’t even worry anymore. I feel appendix is the fastest way for me to draw and feels the most comfortable for me
If you like appendix cool. It’s not comfortable for me.
As far as the ND into your groin/thigh, it’s not just about training. Murphy has a law and he doesn’t care how many tacticool courses you’ve been through.
Shit happens under adrenaline. Mistakes are made, weapons are grabbed, triggers are snagged, and let’s not forget a certain popular modern handgun that’s known for having faulty striker safety springs.
If you chose to keep doing it fine. The only person you’re risking is yourself.
I’m confident enough for appendix carry but I’m also understanding that in a high stress and real life threat high stakes situation I want to limit potential risks. I imagine literally fighting over my gun or ‘wrestling’ with a stronger higher skilled attacker and my gun is already pointed at a major artery, my testicles and Man Trunk, and femur bone. Can you train and condition yourself to minimize this yes. Do you want to risk this if Jason Bourne walks up to you and wants it? Carry however your comfortable but also be real. If you were taking a gun from your clones appendix carry position how would you do it?
Just a personal anecdote, but I grapple and train BJJ and incorporate blue guns all the time. I generally have more success retaining in the appendix position.
Carrying hip is jsut so much more comfortable
Depends on body type and the holster. We carry appendix all day long sitting, standing, moving, etc. and it's absolutely comfortable.
I’ve carried so long, I don’t notice it. I practice but my EDC is an everyday habit so I really don’t notice it during the day.
I just don't feel comfortable having appendix carry with 1 in the chamber, having 1 in the chamber is very important to me.
Has the gun ever went off in any other position when wearing it in a different position to create the fear it will appendix?
@@Richyrich1234 since i plan on getting trigger mods possible flukes though its rare put me off
Even with trigger modification the gun should be confirmed safe before carry it at all. And you'll still shoot yourself if you carry anywhere iwb if it does go off.
why tf would you carry a firearm when you're in a concert
Wasn’t one of the biggest shootings in the last 10 years at a concert lmao
@@christianb8268concert, movie theater. Schools, churches, mall.
Tell me you’re rocking a room temp IQ without saying so.
It probably helps that you don’t own an Sig P320, those babies are having accidental discharges in the holster (untouched) all the time!!
watching this sitting at my desk appendix carrying. Forgot i even had it on. I've owned for less than a year and completely conformable with it
I've tried AIWB carry, and I see why lots of folks like it, but it is just not for me.
I won't say I can't carry there, or that I refuse to carry there, I just do better with strong side carry. Maybe I'd do better if I were slimmer (and, yes, I know, there are "fat guys" who carry AIWB).
I recognize the upsides, compared to "strong side" carry, but it just doesn't work for me. I'm more physically, emotionally, and mentally comfortable with strong-side carry.
Part of why I do better with strong side carry is that I worked as a carpenter for several years, and I'm accustomed to getting tools from that region. I'm used to getting nails from my left tool bag. In the course of teaching myself to get unholstered and to tap/rack or switch mags, I do better finding things at my sides instead of at 1:00.
All that said, I'm still thinking about systems like the Vnsh and Phlster Enigma and wondering whether I could make either work well for me.
Any firearm not disassembled on the table is loaded, even if you "know for sure" it is empty. Mistakes are forever
Exactly. Just get good at checking again.
You know your gun, you know its safety. It doesn't matter where you carry, it is safe.
The best overall concealed carry placement. At least in my humble opinion. And I haven't shot my junk in the last 40 years😂
I would not consider carrying any other way than appendix. It is comfortable, accessibility is quick and most importantly, I always have full control of where my weapon is. I would not like my gun behind me or even at 4:00, where it could be vulnerable.
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Follow the rules of gun safety, and practice holstering without rounds in the gun. I do that all the time.
The best belt for appendix carry is T1 Hunter Constantine belt.
Not everyone is lucky enough to have a living situation where hip carry is viable. IMO its the best option, but not everyone lives in a constitutional carry state where nobody asks questions where someone noticing your gun is never a big deal
I've been carrying appendix for 15 years. No issues. Always easy and fast to get to. Even had to do so. Don't want it anywhere else.
Once a year, a unloaded broom fires.
All guns are always loaded.
Break it down logically, most modern striker fire carry rigs will consist of:
*Drop safety
*Firing pin safety
*Trigger safety
*Kydex holster
*Manual thumb safety (Optional)
So I have 4-5 safety features protecting and preventing my gun from going off unintentionally at any given moment on my appendix. If you don’t feel comforted having all those features then you do you.
Appedix carry has been the most uncomfortable carry position for me. If it is uncomfortable a person will stop carrying... thats why I hip carry now.
I like how people say your flagging yourself. If you have a firearm in your car, in or on a nightstand or laying in a safe you are flagging yourself at some point
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The only thing about appendix is worried about is an officer off duty carrying appendix and then on duty when stuff goes down will his muscle memory go to his appendix?
Plenty of professionals train enough to figure it out, it's not that hard.
Appendix carry is not only the most comfortable, but also most secure, and quickest to point.
And yet for hundreds of years no major military or police adopted appendix carry. Cowboys never widely adopted it either in all their gunfights. Odd, huh? The GenZ crowd thinks they solved quick draw. How cute.
Appendix carry is only as SAFE as the guy carrying it. Training, training, and perfect practice make perfect. Enough said. 💯💯💯😁😁👍👍
just carry as you want. appendix or hip side. even ankle. however you want.
I put the gun in the holster first, then put the holster on.
7:31 Why is it not safe to carry an unloaded gun in public to get used to it?
I'm part of a huge gun community and have yet to hear of anyone accidentally shooting themselves. It happens, but it's a rare occurrence. The idiot who "center-punched" his hand WAS an idiot!
I carry at 4 o clock because appendix carry is extremely uncomfortable
You just need the right holster and belt. 🤙
i been carrying apendix for 17 years not a single hik up
No reason to pull my gun out of the holster, when taking my gun out or putting it in…. I appendix carry, but the gun is always in the holster, unless it’s being shot, inspected or cleaned. Knowing where your trigger finger is at all times when handling a gun, makes you and everyone around you safer as well. Awareness is the ultimate safety measure.
There's absolutely never a reason to not look down and CAREFULLY reholser. Many self-shootings happen while reholstering where there is no thumb safety.
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I have hip carried for over 50 years and have failed to shoot myself, let alone have an accidental discharge.
I use full sized hand guns and never heard of being able to sit down like that. You can get away with appendix carry with stub nosed devices.
Never point a gun at anything you do not want to destroy. .
I don't understand all the worry about printing? If you can legally carry, who gives a shit if you print every now and then......
I have a belly band because I can’t deal with a pistol diggin in my leg when I sit down
i know people who carry 6 o clock or so and the amount of times the gun is physically visible while they're going about their day is insane and I've noticed other people notice and get visibly uncomfortable.
Yes, 6 o'clock gets exposed an awful lot.
I respect your style. It’s just not for me. I always want to carry over the shoulder as it is just too cool. Also long trench coat can’t forget that.
To be humanely honest. Fear of carrying guns is attributed to many psycho emotional factors such as no confidence, lack of understanding, lack of competency and training, and critical thinking, all which are very normal for anyone claiming to be a firearms expert. We are all expendable and susceptive to growth as all life does. There is no such things as stagnant.
Never say never!
lol there is zero reason to re-holster in a daily carry scenario. gun comes out to protect life, gun does job, gun STAYS OUT until all threats are gone, allowing user to re-holster at their leisure.
the practice of range shooting and then quick re-holstering a concealed weapon is incredibly stupid. the speed at which you draw is important, the speed at which you put it away after is null.
im not yet old enough to get a pistol or conceal carry, but when i do, should i start out getting practice with hip and then transition into appendix? or should I just be careful and start out with appendix?
Start with a outside the waistband holster and spend time there. Once you're very comfortable and safe with your weapon system you could start training appendix in dry fire. Once comfortable and safe there, move to carrying appendix. Based on the time and effort you put in, this process could be one month or a one year.
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@Tenicor thoughts on modifications like the Striker Control Device for Glocks?
We have not used them but they seem unnecessary if you have proper training and skillset in place.