Personal Protection: .30 Super Carry Evaluation
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2022
- Paul tests out the new 30 super carry caliber for personal protection and concealed carry.
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Back in my day all we needed was a powder horn and a 67 caliber musket ball. You whippersnappers with your self contained cartridges.
Ahhh, Ha Ha Ha ! Good one !
back in ugthug's day we throw objects at enemy ourselves. no fancy fire magic, just strong arm of ugthug.
Back in my day we didn't have those fancy gun things. We jumped onto the back of our game with a knife in our teeth and killed it like a man. 😀
@@NickFrom1228 bow and arrow. Sharpened stick.
Yeah, those suppository guns will never catch on.
I still laugh every time the pop tarts ad pops up. Brilliant.
I'm going to be real, I don't even own a gun. I just love this channel. Paul is like the Bob Ross of gun and ammo tutorials. I don't paint either but I watch Bob Ross. Also, I love the scenery in these videos. Keep up the great work Paul!
That's definitely a bot. But happy to hear you are enjoying his content.
get a gun if you can they're really cool.
Better get a gun. They are fun.
🙄
Please sir, go get yourself a firearm. Our world is going downhill like a runaway train. YOU SERIOUSLY NEED A GUN.
Paul Harrell probably could be considered as the Mythbuster of the firearms world. He takes REAL life guns and ammunition against a realistic ballistic test target.
Thank you, Paul
Yup
1:53 Bullet size comparison
9:13 Chronograph results
14:16 Meat target
19:22 Recoil
21:08 30 Super Carry detailed discussion
24:26 "Long winded discussion"
Hard to overstate how much I love this channel. It's just so well done! So carefully thought out, clearly presented, beginner friendly and above all useful.
God bless
You da man
@@donovanchilton5817 You're a delightful soul yourself.
You can watch the whole thing? Congrats.
Ya freaking legend you!!
Explaining the meat target is a total tongue twister, yet Paul says it super smooth. Lesson is always wear a T shirt
....because the back of the T-shirt usually will stop a bullet....?
@@TheWolfsnack on expanding rounds.
That's why I wear my t-shirt backwards.
LOL🤣👍
@@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548 you sir are a genius, that's cheaper than level 4 plates
I'm actually kinda curious how this will do in countries that restrict civilian handguns to calibers .32 and smaller and what not.
That... is an angle/niche I had not considered. Also some countries restrict you to non military calibers.
@@andrewhenley2161 I've even seen laws on the books that speak to restrictions based on SAAMI pressure specs
That's a really good point.
@@andrewhenley2161 the only choice i ahve is .32 .25 or .22lr... this round is a gamechanger for alot of european countries. and i think thats what they are targeting.
@@jstefa2 their doing that and than some.
The amount of rounds being fit into a magazine, is getting attention of people like me. I have been waiting for a small handgun in the subcompact realm that has higher capacity. I was considering some beretta's In .32acp, before the p365 capacity.
I'm always for giving people choice, I hope that .30SC does well, finds a happy home, and provides excellent service to people needing self defense! At the end of the day... I DON'T WANNA BE HIT by any of the shown calibers. So here's to wishing this new kid on the block the best chance at a future!
That's how I've always felt about calibers like .357 Sig or .327 Magnum. If it works for you, God bless you man, variety is one of the things that makes firearms so wonderful
The "back in MY day!" faction needs to make more appearances; the what if brigade has had it's day lol
Even if they double in appearances, it will still only be 2.
- Veteran of the twice nothing platoon
The "Back in MY Day Group" vs the "What If Brigade", I'd pay to watch that firefight unfold.
The "back in MY day" group is overrepresented honestly, their opinions are nearly worthless.
@@ostiariusalpha not on paul's channel lmao
I think they are the flip sides of the same coin, same motive with different tactics. They just want to try and use what they think is a logical arguments to support whatever bias, buyers regret or delusions and just approach it differently.
Gun owners: When is this ammo crunch going to end?
Manufacturers: Hey look! We made a whole new cartridge!
seriously...wtf..!?!?
I know right!
Exactly.
Some bully in the boardroom pushing dumb ideas.
See also, 270 wsm and 6.8 western. Proof that planned obsolescence isn't limited to silicon chip commodities.
Hi Paul, I'm so sorry to hear about your health. I've learned so much from your videos and your outstanding presentation style not to mention how to build your new and improved backstop! 🙂 I can't count how many of your videos I've watched over the years. These have been on platforms and calibers I own and shoot as well as ones I just wanted to learn more about. I shoot .357 Sig and I can tell you hands down that you have given the best information on those rounds out there. I used your AR-15 sight in video to help teach my son how to sight in his AR platform. If it's on UA-cam and jives with what your father is telling you then it's legitimate apparently. I hope all your videos stay up so I can watch them time and time again to enjoy as well as to refresh my memory and give me a smile. Best wishes to you. You and your family are in my prayers.
As an engineer with a strong Scientific background , I understand the importance of correct analysis and comparison. Most sources comparisons are crap, cos they dont follow the set rules. Yours are refreshingly Great. I love your presentations. Keep up the brilliant work, Paul.
You're an engineer and you can't spell "because" ?
@@samcoon6699 Not to mention the lack of understand as to when to capitalize words.
us engineers are good with numbers not words :P
Yep. So often you get lost in a sea of confusion where all you have is messy data and you have no clue or inkling as how to piece it together. Paul does an excellent job. His videos are so organized and methodical. You don't even notice how good he is until you try and do your own testing lol.
Lighten up Francis.
"Their definition of high terminal performance is different from mine" You're too kind, Paul.
"They are definition?" Do you really struggle that much with basic English grammar?
@@slappy8941 Even I make a mistake. Don't get your panties in a bunch.
@@slappy8941 Do you struggle with English grammar that much? "Their", the possessive form of the pronoun They. "They're" contraction of They and Are. "Their (meaning Remington's) definition". Sounds right to me. Make sure that YOU are not wrong when you are trying to correct someone.
@@BU1Lander They broke up the "They're" mistake from OP by making it a point to phrase out the separate words so that the error can be apparent.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, Remington's HTP line is the green and white box ammunition in a different box. Going from brass cases to nickel plated cases is not a real change.
Good point about .45 LC. I lived most of my life in the Midwest, but have family in the Southwest. When I was in New Mexico visiting family, I found myself in a gun store, and one of the salesmen asked if he could help me with anything. Well, I was thinking of getting a 1911 pistol in .45 caliber, and blurted out "Colt ... forty-five" as my brain wasn't fully engaged. The salesman asked "what _kind_ of Colt .45" and I thought "that's a dumb question!" I had the image of a .45 caliber 1911 in my head, and couldn't figure out how the other guy didn't. And then I remembered where I was. I had no idea that cowboy shooting had become as popular as it was, or that new copies of the old Single Action Army were flying off the shelves there. They sure weren't where I lived. Live and learn.
The Old West/Wild West style shooting groups (multiple groups) and associated weapons have been hot for the past 30 years. Probably longer. I live in the Midwest and noticed it in the 1990's for sure. I've had people tell me Ohio is the Midwest but I say BS...Ohio is in the Eastern Time Zone. Iowa is Midwest.
Actually, .45 Long Colt is a pretty good performer. It's got juice lol. I personally like revolvers with adjustable sights though.
@@chickenduckdog7281 I saw a plain Jane Colt SAA in .45LC the other day brand new in a pawn shop going for $2995.00.
@@robertbates6057 yes but in a lever action rifle, 45 Long Colt can be loaded to very good performance for a pistol cartridge.
Cowboy actions are fun af tbh, I get why it's getting popular.
Particularly I like the .22 variants of cowboy action guns because you can get the fun with cheaper ammo.
I love how all of his videos appear to be made in the early to mid 2000s, even when they were just made
28:36 - The look on Paul's face is PRICELESS!! And I'm LMAO at the idea of those three calibers being obsolete by the end of the century as well. The .45 Colt will be 150 years old next year and it ROCKS!!
Back in my day, black powder and a .36 ball got the job done. 😁
Back in my day we had to use bows and arrows and WE LIKED IT! 😂
Back in my day, we had sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
Back in my day we just had sticks. But we had some clever fella's that could get their thrown stick to come back.
Back in my day we used harsh language and yo momma jokes
It still does.
I appreciate your ability to program for non experts while engaging the big guns too. thank you. when I ask a question here, even embarrassingly basic, someone steps and answers it here. thank you.
Getting a respectable honest answer here is the best
It has seriously helped my knowledge level.
Thanks for being part of the community :)
we're all learning
Great Presentation! I'm a fan of new ammo, it's always interesting to see what they can come up with. But I remember well the 327 Federal that was going to be the ammo of the future! So, while I really like my Ruger in 327 Federal, I dont brag about it like I used to.
Funny part is: this is basically hot loaded 7.65 French ammo, very very old.
I don't even see any 327 fed mag or 32 H&R mag in any stores. Haven't seen them for a couple of years.
I reload and carry the .327 federal magnum, in a ruger lcrx. It is an awesome round. 👌
@@carlosreyes6448 It is an awesome round. Problem is you can't find it anywhere
That's why I reload them, all .32 calibers, short long h&r magnum, .327 federal magnum. And .32 acp from 50 to 125 grain, I even cast my own with wheel weights.
Taking another trip down Memory Lane, there's the 10mm Auto. At the time there were some very high horsepower figures in the firearms world touting this round. The FBI coverted to it, S&W and Colt made firearms for it, and there was the (as it turned out ill fated) Bren 10 ultimate defensive pistol made specifically for it.
What happened? Well, the 10mm Auto turned out to be too powerful for the vast majority of applications, and difficult to carry and shoot well. It's the auto pistol version of a .44 Magnum in terms of recoil and pressure. It gave birth to the .40 S&W which dominated the law enforcement market for decades and is still in wide use today. The 10mm still holds on as an outdoorsman cartridge due to its performance on medium/large game, but that's about it.
The .357 SIG, which is a fantastic round, also failed to catch on.
However, recently we've seen the .300 Blackout, 6.5 Creedmoor, and a handful of others become commercial successes due to demand and successful marketing.
The .30 Super Carry offers duty pistol level magazine capacities in a sub compact pistol size with a performance in those pistols very comparable to 9mm. Getting 17+1 rounds in a Sig 365 XL is very appealing, and with the explosion of Constitutional carry legislation being passed in 26 states so far it would seem to be poised for success.
While I can't predict the future better than anyone else, I think it will catch on if the marketing is successful enough because it does offer a very useful answer to the capability issue that is often raised with compact and sub compact firearms. I've never complained about having too much ammo.
Could be best marketed towards replacing the.380 over the 9mm.
I sell a decent amount of 10mm defensive loads at the gun store I work at. It's not as dead as you think it is. It's about on par in sales to .40 and a little less than .380
@@marcusborderlands6177It performs well in PCCs, too, doesn't it?
.327 Federal magnum comes to mind. I was curious about the round when it came out but held off to see if it broke out. It never really did.
it will always have a devout set of reloaders consuming though. .327 mag revolvers can chamber 4 different cartridges. the comparison to .30 SC (the one trick pony nobody asked for) is not quite right.
I remember when .32 H&R Magnum came out, the security company I worked for was actually considering switching all of us from the .38 Specials we were carrying to it, but then they realized the cost. I kind of wish they had, as the old .38's they issued us were about completely shot out and many were out of time and spit lead at us when we had to qualify.
327 is a supermagnum, a hotter version of 32 H&R magnum. For whatever reason the .32 cal stuff has never been all that popular. .38 is everywhere on the planet. .32 not so much.
Ruger LCR in .327 is an ideal pocket carry. the Speer GDs I've seen at beyond 1400fps (gun sam), so it's got an energy margin over even top shelf 9x19 from duty-sized guns.
@@bobjones-bt9bh A .32 long full metal jacket penetrates the ideal 12-20 inches in gel every single time, too. So it is like a .22, but it is a center fire, so it is basically the perfect carry round in a revolver for someone who is recoil sensitive. .32 HR mag is about like a .380.
So a person can get one gun and have 4 different recoil levels. Idc what anyone says, a .327 mag JSP 100 grain is adequate black bear defense, too. Great options for every purpose.
I wish my high school algebra teacher had been as good a communicator as Mr. Harrell... maybe I would have done better in life with math. Another excellent one, Mr. P.H. I think you are the Gold Standard of firearm teachers today,. Keep up the good work, Sir !
My algebra teacher wasn’t bad but my geometry teacher was horrible.
Agreed in all respects!
pravoslavnik, gold, platinum & diamond standard presenter we have been somehow blessed with !!
Yep. Mr H does the recon and goes the extra mile. Even I can see this experience and am happy to follow his lead. It is important to me that I know how I am wrong.
It's almost bottom of the barrel for where teachers are placed, the mid-level maths -- at least in public schools I went to in the 70s. Poor math students. None got Mr Harrell.
I’m really grateful for your videos, Mr Harrell. I’ve selected a 380 platform for my personal defense needs primarily because of its containment within the meat target. I know there are more powerful choices, including the 30 Super Carry, but I’m not on a battlefield. So I’ve elected to do my best to protect against over-penetration. Thanks for all your work.
I don't know... I might hold off until they come out with the 30 super duper deluxe carry
A very thorough and detailed review of the .30 Super Carry round. Thank you, Paul. About your doubts about its future, I think I see a possibility for it. It would depend on some manufacturer coming up with a compact dual stack gun designed around this round. Hint, hint, Sig and FN! It could be a very small gun with 15 to 20 rounds in the magazine and ballistics very similar to the 9mm. Wow! I'm sure someone like Hornady or Speer could work out the expansion characteristics for the slug. However, if it remains just another odd round that can be chambered in existing frames, I'm afraid you're right. It'll just dry up and blow away.
A few decades ago, my brother bought a Grizzly WinMag in .45 Winchester Magnum. He swore that his semi-auto was superior in every way to my revolver, and that the .45 WinMag would replace the .44 Mag by the turn of the century.
Although the .44 Mag is no longer even close to being king of the POWER hill, it is still very popular, while the .45 WinMag is just an interesting footnote.
First I've heard of that cartridge
I remember splash and fast disappearance of the Griz 45 Win Mag. It had several big strikes against it. First was the over-sized 1911ish handgun so it was heavy and you needed huge paws to grip it. Second, was the much higher price for this one of a kind pistol. Third, as the saying going it was a solution looking for a problem. It wasn't THAT much more powerful as a 6" .44 Mag revolver. Also, around that time handloaders with Ruger Blackhawks in .45 Colt figured out they could beat .44 Mag power.
The Griz was an interesting engineering idea but that's about it.
@@SonOfTheDawn515 You must not have been deep into handguns in the 1970s. 😉
But what about the 9MM Win Mag? Whatever happened there?
@@monkeyship74401 or the 10mm magnum.
I don’t know what effect Paul’s review of the Federal Super Carry will have on sales, but if Pop Tart sales aren’t going thru the roof, it ain’t Paul’s fault. They should try putting Paul on boxes.
You're the best for a reason Paul. Extremely objective, data fueled, breakdown of the cartridge with 2 other comparables. Appreciate you!
Another great video. We appreciate all the work you do to present great information. Keep doing what you do. Praying for you my friend.
Some governments restrict "military" chamberings (calibers) like 9x19, 7.62 NATO, etc. A decent pistol ammo will be appreciated by many, even if many of us see no purpose. It's similar to the 350 Legend which exists due to hunting regulations in some places, it's useful for many people.
Pretty much only Mexico
But you can't own anything other than .380, .32, .25 or .22 in Mexico anyway
do you even 9x18?
@@EricTheActor805 Thanks for the info.
@@roybiv7018
And in Canada .25 and .32 are expressly prohibited
The 350 legend exists because of straight wall cartridge states and weenies that can't handle recoil. It's not really needed if you're able to handle a thumper, a range finder, and figure out adjustable turrets. It's not popular in America because 'its not a military cartridge'.
Established cartridges like 9mm have an almost insurmountable advantage over a newcomer to the field. The infrastructure, the history, and the sheer number of existing firearms chambered in a common caliber all stack the deck against it.
and to be honest, 9mm is a good cartridge. It does a great job of balancing size and weight, capacity, power, etc. It's just a really nice sweet spot for autoloaders. It's relatively easy to shoot too. If you want more power, there are options but 9mm deserves serious consideration from anyone looking to carry a pistol.
@@DriveCarToBar
for higher power you could even lean towards some of the really hot 9x19 loads. or certain types of less standard Projectiles.
@@taiiat0 yup. They do make lighter 9mm bullets that go even faster and a good modern handgun doesn't mind +p loads. Or even some +p+ on occasion.
@Eric Nunya
then outside factors change on that one, Cartridges like 9x19 got massive Military adoption, and so that rocketed it to the front of the line. hehe.
also 9x19 was a significant difference in overall power, but 30 super carry, isn't a major difference. so coming up with a reason to switch is a lot harder.
I'm of the opinion that federal made a huge mistake trying to compete with 9mm. If they had kept their loading pressures to comparable of .380, then they could have dug into the 'lower recoil, smaller gun' market. Lot of new, and specifically female shooters out there in real need of softer recoil in a gun that they can carry easily. Since Federal has explicitly stated that they're trying to target .380 prices, it wouldn't be a huge leap for customer who would have bought the .380 to choose a caliber of the same price, and same recoil that offered the opportunity to carry more rounds.
Paul this is the best video I've seen on 30 super Carry on UA-cam in fact all of your gun videos are the best of anybody on UA-cam you do a very good job you're a good dude love your videos brother
When we tested the 30 Super Carry the HTPs performance was subpar every time… the HST from Federal in 30 Super held its own with the 9mm in most of our testing! Thx for the vid Paul!
Federal seems to be garbage in general... Not a fan
@@beargillium2369 HTP is Remington isn't it? Federal's HSTs are well used and very trusted among most law enforcement agencies.
@@t.dubbya7000 i don't believe I said htp or hst. I just don't like federal and that's my opinion. I'm also not in law enforcement. They can use whatever they want and so can you.
@@beargillium2369 oh definitely! I like to use a lot of different brands with Speer GDs prolly being my favorite. I thought maybe you mixed up HST and HTP. The video was critical of the HTPs so I thought you were critical of them too. Hell, my man I'm just glad you like to shoot. Thanks for the reply.
@@t.dubbya7000 🍻😁
Once again Paul you have produced a good video . I like your use of the meat targets .
I will stay with 9 × 19 ( 9 MM ) .
I'll admit it, when they announced 30 Super Carry, I was one of those ones who went, well why not bring 38 Super or .357 Sig or 40 S&W or to get really crazy 45 GAP into the modern era with updated guns instead of making a brand new caliber. Nothing's wrong with any of those calibers, they just need more modern guns. However then upon digging further into what 30 Super Carry is suppose to do and then I went, okay I was wrong, there is a point to this caliber, it's just not for me.
@TiglathPileser3 Glad your honest about it isn't for you. That said the 40 was not for me, 1911 platform all the way... I carry a 40 now. It's not for why most people would think, like double stack, shorter grip (carried the P10-45 for years). It was only because local LEO duty carried G23, so I said fuck it, I am too. I've grown to enjoy the cartridge, even the platform. They used to carry 9's, which was a hell no for constant carry, still as a "church gun" it's fine.
a semi-auto 25 acp out of a super-short barreled pistol (2.5 inch) double stack is my dream edc =..(
I could see a sig 365 with two or three more shots pitting very well into my daily carry routine. Does that matter so does the standard. For me the number of rounds where I start to feel like yeah that's about right is 12 in the gun. More is always nicer but I wouldn't want a bigger gun to fit more.
This cartridge makes sense for that but I think the support for it is going to be slim for a while. It's kind of like 327 Federal. If you like what it does and you reload or otherwise can ensure that you will have a decent supply of ammo then it's not that big of a deal once you have the components. I had a big pile of brass for this casting the bullets wouldn't be a big deal for practice ammo but this is the sort of caliber where the quality of the defensive projectile is going to make a bigger difference. 9 mm is already one of those calibers and this is going to be more so. If you're looking at something with more energy and mass like 40 Smith & Wesson just about any JHP will give you pretty good terminal ballistics. But something like this you'd have to have excellent bullets every time.
@@GunFunZS i could see a sig 365 in a trash can, under the banana peels =/
As far as I'm concerned, .30SC should be for a single stack, extra flat carry pistol.
Makes sense for that job.
We love you Paul. Best of luck with your health issues. Love ya man!
What a gentleman throwing the olive branch to ACP! Well done sir. Last I heard he was questioning the results of the meat target. Which I immediately thought foolish because I've seen nothing but consistency with the meat target. So just to say again, what a mature way to tip your hat in the spirit of peace. More UA-cam rs should act as you do.
I'm holding out for A: seeing the ammo on the shelf and B: seeing a P365 or Hellcat chambered for it.
The niche it really stands out for is that "maximum firepower in maximum compact" market that just popped up.
they barely just got a 380 version of the p365 after like what 4 years now. I don't think it will catch on just because it doesn't offer any significant advantages worth buying one for if you already have something or know about it when you buy. this seems more like the one someone would buy that doesn't know what they are looking for and gets talked into by someone selling them. then those types probably won't use it for anything other than just having around and won't buy ammo for it
@@wades623
But the 380 version is silly.
Its the exact same size and capacity as the 9mm...🤦
IF I can have more ammo in a Defensive CCW carry pistol.. and the round hits like a 9..
I kinda see advantages, but like others I am waiting to see availability and decent prices
@@Mpeterson1286 I had a bersa thunder 380 . . I loved that gun, but #1) I sold it because about 9 years ago during an ammo Shortage I couldnt find Ammo
#2 it was kinda large, it was comparable to some 9mm Pistols
#3 380acp is a 9 mm short.. so its not as good as 9mm.
I sold my beloved 380 bersa and got me a 9mm Pistol for $200 with 3 mags. I have had no issue finding 9mm ammo.. and my 9mm ccw may be a little snappy, but it's never failed me.
@@Mpeterson1286 It's not silly, it's perfect for people that like the platform, but want less recoil.
It's also not exactly the same size & weight.
It's not a massive difference, but the .380 slide is a little lighter & smaller.
It's the most popular platform that offers an optic ready .380 chambered carry gun.
I usually carry .40, but I can absolutely see the value in a .380 365.
My biggest issue with this caliber isn't with its performance, weapons in the same or its potential; it's the TIMING of its release.
In a time where ammo is harder to find, more expensive and components like primers (for handloaders) extremely cost prohibitive if at all available, my priority is getting ammo to feed my current stock of weaponry.
I feel exactly the same way. 30 Super Carry is a waste of small pistol primers!
Amen! Worst timing in history for the release of a new carry cartridge. I wanna train, and it's hard enough to afford, and/or find 9mm.
Instead of ammo companies wasting time, money, amd materials on 30SC, they should be using every available resource on producing 9mm and all other popular cartridges.
@@Fudmottin 100%!
@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28agree 100%.
They probably wanted to get it out the door with the micro 9 releases. It's unfortunate timing but it would have died on the floor if they had decided to just sit on it until things maybe got better.
I've never seen this guys before, but dammit he's awesome.
I used to not like your videos, but the more I watch the more I like your stuff. Not over the top or as attention grabby as many youtubers. But man the amount of good information from your channel is insurmountable
Back in my day: I was happy to have Paul shoot these guns I would never bother with.
lol
The best perspective on the .30 Super Carry caliber with a lot of parsimony and wisdom from someone who has experienced the attempt to program the obsolescence of legacy ammunition in favor of calibers intended for a very specific application.
You do the BEST tests and you make sure to be very thorough in your presentation, which I very much appreciate! I’m a new watcher but I’m definitely donating to your patreon!
Excellent presentation, Paul. You illustrated so many interesting points about the new caliber.
Back in my day we used phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range
40 watts? Pfffft. We trained little girls on 40 watts! 😂
Nice Terminator reference brother!!
Uuuzeee, 9 mulluhmedah.
Get yourself back to your original timeline, metalhead.
45 long slide with laser sighting…
Another great video Paul. The crazy thing about 30 sc is they came out with it during an ammo shortage. I’d call that bad timing. Mag capacity is not as essential as pop culture would have buyers believe. Easy for me to say being a 40s&w guy.
I'm reminded of my friend's former neighbor, when asked how she would respond to a thug at the door, she said "I'd just shoot through the door until I ran out of bullets".
Her husband silently pulled the Glock 17 out of her hands and replaced it with a revolver.
This is the new gunowner market they're fighting over -- it's a lot easier to sell "more more MORE" than marksmanship and tactics.
If anything, coming out with 30SC during an ammo shortage eliminates one of the primary weaknesses of a new caliber over an established caliber - that being ammo availability and price. If 9mm is already $0.30/round for FMJ and $0.50/round for decent JHP, is trying out a boutique caliber in the same price range that much more unreasonable?
@@stevenscott2136 Firearm manufacturers aren't concerned nor are they in the business of offering training. They sell products and are concerned with profits, nothing else.
Watching cop body cam footage leaves me still leaning heavily on the higher capacity side of the capacity vs handgun size/stopping power debate.
@@JohnSmith-fq3rg Capacity is excellent. More and better training is critical. More ammo being turned into more misses solves nothing.
Shades of 6.8 spc rifle cartridges. It was supposed to take the world by storm and replace. 223 .556 but it never did. There are multiple stories of a new wonder round that was supposed to be something no one asked for but everything you ever needed! I was an early proponent of 10mm it fell out of fashion quickly and was replaced by .40 Smith&Wesson I kept mine and always hoped that someday people would see what a great round it was! Fast forward sometimes everything old is new again! Great video and informative as always thank you for everything you and your crew do for us!!
Honestly I had never heard of 30 super carry before this video. So it was cool for me to see, and learn about a different and new caliber. As always a great entertaining and informative video keep up the great work Mr. Harrell, and crew.
I hope you know how much we appreciate you. Be Safe and Be Blessed.
Good thorough subject coverage, as always Paul. I was thrilled 30+ years ago when the .32 H&R magnum came out, especially when Ruger and S&W chambered some revolvers for this new cartridge, but I only wanted a Smith 16-4 and couldn’t afford one, now they are unobtanium. Next the Hornady .327 latest and greatest came out a few years ago, “almost as powerful as a .357 and less recoil!” Recoil in a small frame Ruger SP101 was quite unpleasant. S&W produced a few J frames and Ruger is desperately trying to keep it alive, and Ammo is expensive and hard to find. What I am tying to convey here is there will always be a niche market for oddities, but will they become mainstream, who knows? I am crazy about my KelTec P32, should everyone carry one, nope but when I am going minimalist it works for me. My CZ52 and Tok M57 are a blast and could be used for defense in a pinch, however I’d rather have my Beretta 92fs or Sig P938 for serious work if I was out and about. At home it’s the Les Baer Prem II in .45 and a short 11/87 behind the door. Some folks need just one or two firearms for fun and defense, that’s what works for them. But me, I can’t have too many, so there is always room for another critter in my stable! New cartridges always peak my interest. Wants and needs are an an enigma, my wife calls it a disease.
"Recoil in a small frame Ruger SP101 was quite unpleasant." Try loading using a fast powder like Titegroup, a max load. Still enough velocity for expansion, but much reduced blast and recoil.
Sorry to be a random on the internet correcting you, but it's 'pique' my interest as opposed to 'peak'
Again, I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, and have a great day.
I can relate. I'm, at least partially, a caliber collector. I like all sorts of oddities and obscurities.
The 32H&R was a fabulous round..the market is driven by advertising not practicality or ballistics.
The more "Hype" the more people buy, then day out quickly (like the 327) ..
The question is why carry a firearm with a frame size equil to one that exists (as In 30SC vs 9mm) but loss in terminal performance and bullet selection and ammo availability?
It looks nice but there is no real logical reason to make that selection. 2/3 rounds extra? With lower performance? You'll need those extra rounds so it's a stalemate...IMO
I thought you said it was an enema lol
Realistic, fair, good information!!Everyone has to choose what’s best for them and I appreciate that you always go out of your way to point that out. You’re not trying to tell us what guns or caliber we HAVE to use, but you do always make fair and transparent tests and comparisons, for our information. Very cool- thanks for doing this important work for the community!
I'm trusting Paul more and more for handgun information. He doesn't pick sides just gives the straight answers to the questions.
The best chance the 30 sc has to make it is getting the gun models and different ammo types to market quickly. The longer it takes the fewer people that will jump on for the limited selection.
What I got from this is there is negligible difference in performance between .30 SC and 9mm*, mostly down to the ammo's properties, so choosing .30SC is mainly about a little extra magazine capacity at the cost of rarer ammo (with attendant issues of ammo and availability pricing). The ammo availability issue may also make it hard to find quality .30SC ammo. Unless you're desperate for a couple extra rounds in a mag, I'm not seeing cause to switch from 9mm, and .30SC just doesn't have the marked superiority it would need to fight against 9mm's inertia as an established standard.
Also, I will never get tired of watching Mr. Harrell pull all manner of things out of those pockets.
*I'm just assuming this is intended to compete with the 9mm. Even if it isn't, that's clearly where it will end up.
Bear in mind 9mm got established because controllability and capacity are preferable to more energy. The 30sc is pretty much that line of thinkings logical end poiny
Also, IMO it's a solution to a problem that probably doesn't actually exist. How often will an armed civilian really need a couple of extra rounds over the 8+1 of a lot of subcompact pistols? For me the advantage doesn't outweigh the disadvantages and I suspect most people will feel the same way. Nevertheless, I won't completely rule it out just yet. I suspect it will end up like the .327 magnum -- not entirely gone but mostly forgotten.
@@itsapittie My thinking is that it would die off rather quickly. The whole higher capacity thing is rather moot, for the reason you mentioned, but also, we’ve been getting a lot of high capacity, micro 9s on the market. Hellcat, P365, Shield Plus, etc. Which begs the question, is 30 Super Carry even worth investing more time into?
@@DocMitchell69 You certainly could be right. I guess time will tell.
I think the .30SC would be best served in a single stack ultralight pistol. Something light, and very flat to carry.
Conceptually like a Taurus Curve, though even thinner.
I honestly think .30SC is going to be the next .327 or .224 Valkyrie, especially being released during a time with limited availability of even common rounds like 9x19.
I just recently found your channel. And every thing I have seen is exemplary Paul, and so are you. Thanks for all you do!
A great video that is absolutely full of the relevant information and details about 30 SC. I've had my own thoughts about the caliber and was excited to see your scientific, professional, and fair comparison to 9x19. I always look forward to your videos, especially comparison between calibers, barrel lengths, bullet weights, or brands so this was an absolute treat. Keep up the great work Paul! Don't let the what-if brigade, the yeah-buts, or anyone who complains about the way you present drag you down. I've been watching for years and your Shatner-esque... pauses or mismatching of syllables hasn't bothered me a single time.
Hi Paul. Just wanted to let you know I’m a really new subscriber and I really dig what you do and how you do it man!! Thank you!
Thank you for this excellent review, demonstration/test, and comparison. As always, your work is top shelf.
Depends on advertising and how many firearms are sold in 30 Supercarry. That cartridges already fill this slot breaking into it is difficult. Making the firearms in 30SC less expensive and therefore more attractive would help but I doubt manufacturers will sell for any less than any other chambering
Thanks Paul for your invaluable time and insight. I didn’t even know that the 30 Supercarry existed until now. Also I want to thank you for your service to our country, not just in the military, but the training you provided in the past and for your current training for us. You are a great American! And it seems people have treated you wrongly for I don’t believe that you speak like William Shatner nor are your explanations boring or tedious. Actually many of us that are not gun savvy depend on your explanations to learn. So keep up the great training and the way you train!😊
Seeing the results from the meat target today, I'm pretty disappointed in the .30. I really thought the JHP would have worked better, considering the 1100 FPS he was getting. Maybe something different like an HST or Critical Defense might perform like it should, but who knows.
Also, considering that you can get an extended magazine for just about every 9mm that might only add half an inch for 2-3 extra rounds, I kind of think the .30 is trying to fill a gap that really isn't there by answering a question no one was really asking.
Yes, good point
I expected better from it too. Maybe something like the Lehigh phillips head bullets would do better in 30.
Also worth noting today there so many 9mm pistols even sub compacts with 10-13 round capacity even 15 rounds. Does 2 more rounds in .30 SC make that big a difference?
@@ericw3229 This is the second attempt at a niche caliber. Remember the 327 Fed Magnum?
it's more like a step up from 380 with no noticeable penalty in recoil, and it's only intended to be a pocket carry round so like, yes there is a purpose for it, but it's not for everyone
Have to agree. Given how widely available 9x19 is, 30 SC looks like a solution in search of a problem.
I have a book on pistol shoot in the early 1900's, the winner of the pine board penetration test was .30 luger, this seems to be version 2 of that.
@@johngraesser4911 Good point, I'd not considered that. It'd be interesting to see 30SC tested for penetration against 9x19, 40 S&W, 45 ACP etc.
So, Federal more or less stated that .30 SC was intended to target new shooters, not existing shooters. That said, for me as somebody who owns .32 caliber revolvers in the same bullet diameters, it's interesting to me. .30 SC seems to be essentially a hot .32 H&R Magnum, but achieves the numbers from slightly shorter barrels and has more rounds.
I believe the round has potential and as @john graesser said, it's essentially .30 Luger 2.0 in terms of performance. Just not a bottleneck cartridge. I do appreciate the extra 2 rounds over 9mm guns in the same size.
In the USA I generally agree, but in Mexico where 9x19 is illegal for civilian use 30sc might be a better option then 9x20. Probably not but if it gains some popularity in the USA it might end up being more affordable and have more options in Mexico due to economy of scale.
@@Predalien195 an extra magazine costs less than a box of bullets.
Excellent! Another great one by Paul.
Very informative, nicely performed and presented! Thank you for posting and sharing.
If it's still here in a decade, or when there are at least 20 models in the caliber, I'll buy one. Til then, 9mm has the infrastructure to support it.
I'd love to see a few 1911s chambered in it
@@imthatguy1878 I'm still looking for a 7.62x25 conversion kit.
@@wtsane5449 I wish more 7.62×25 weapons in general were being made or modernized, or more conversions, seems like a very based cartridge. 9mm necked down to 7.62 would make for a clean performing round as well I think.
@@stephenzavatski8016 I think the problem is that it isn't a proprietary round.
@@wtsane5449 which?
Paul is becoming my favorite UA-cam channel because he he is so practical in his videos. I am in love with the meat target because it tells me so much more than most ballistic gel tests when talking about handgun rounds. Good Job Mr Harrel
Your right.. the meat target is a great Representation on how and what a round will do to you. I'm not a big fan of jello test.
I found Paul in late 2019 when I was out on disability for a massive heel spur. He just showed up one day.
Can’t say I had any complaints.
Funny thing is I don’t watch any “GunTube” channels.
I don't often comment, so I just wanna say that I appreciate all the work you put into these, and that the pop tart ad spots are great. Thank you.
Thank you again, for sharing you experienced insight into the world of shooting today.
I love Paul’s possible outcome for 30 super carry in the future at the end of the video. This whole video was amazing but that was one of my favorite parts! 😂
Thank you Paul for another excellent presentation. I was curious about the performance of the 30SC and you have satisfied that curiosity. Take care and have a great week.
Wow, you are thorough, thank you so much for this!
I may have been looking at this differently, than the conclusion you came to at the end. I was looking at .30 super carry as a more desirable round option to the .380, not as a replacement to the 9mm. Near same ballistics as the 9mm round as your video demonstrates, but with more capacity than a .380 pistol. If this caliber remains an option, I would not purchase the .380, but choose the more powerful, higher round capacity of the .30 super carry. Love your videos, they are always very well thought through and you do a great job explaining everything!
Exactly. I don't understand how anyone can complain about this new cartridge.
Wish they made an LCP in 30 Super carry with an 8 round mag
This will stick around for the “shot placement” people the same way they still make compact .45s for the “stopping power” people
10 mm…because they don’t make 11mm
Great job, as usual, Paul, thank you.
Very interesting demonstration and as always presented with balance and commons sense. By the way keep those chrono test coming. I always enjoy that segment.
As always a great video, I now know all I need to about the 30 Super Carry, thanks!
In my opinion, the only real use from .30 Super is if they can manage to fit it in a (nearly) .380ACP size frame. I imagine the felt recoil would be quite brutal, though. It may find its niche, but I think that's about as big as it'll get.
Also, two of the main reasons betamax failed are: The players were more expensive and the tapes couldn't record as long as VHS (apparently a lot of people were upset they couldn't record an entire football game with a betamax tape).
From what I understand, the price difference was because Sony was keeping betamax proprietary for a long time to make more money per unit, while JVC licensed VHS to everyone and their dog. Also, apparently Sony selected a one hour recording time for Betamax based on their experience with commercial products, but once the initial design was set increasing recording time proved much more difficult. This guy has a more detailed explanation of the whole thing:
ua-cam.com/video/FyKRubB5N60/v-deo.html
And I agree, this cartridge seems like it would be better in a pocket pistol niche competing with .380.
@@edwinball985 Apparently the porn industry embraced VHS and that ended up making the big difference in the end. 'MURICA!
I had a similar thought - if you could - somehow?- upgrade .380 ACP performance without making the gun bigger and heavier......but that would be one snappy little gun that would be tough to shoot. Other than that, maybe some who favor single stack 9mm would benefit from the extra couple rounds. As for me, my 365XL is small enough and holds 12, and my PX4 Compact Carry (really kind of a mid-sized pistol holds 15. Do I need more rounds in either? That will also likely cost way more? No.
The porn thing is a myth.
@@MrNexor-cj8gs If you really believe it, is it still a myth?
I have wondered about the 30 super carry. Thanks for the demo. However, given the availability of ammo and performance the 9mm looks pretty good.
The only thing I can find "great" about the new cartridge, beside capacity (especially in a single stack), is the flatter path from barrel to target. Still I'm not going to be shooting it at 50 or 100 yard targets, well maybe on a lark. They said the 40 was flatter, hell of a lot flatter than even 45ACP +P. Still true the 9's have gotten sooooo... much better. I was a 45 constant guy, ended up a 40 constant carry. Still with "church guns" in 38 & *9* 😂
Thanks Mr. Harrell! This answered all my questions.
This is literally the comparison I was hoping for. Thank you Paul!
A well placed bullet in pretty much any caliber can be lethal ... Great presentation. Found it very interesting and informative.
Some paper target accuracy demonstration would have been a nice addition for the new cartridge.
@@craigbenz4835 I mean, maybe, but I think the issue there is that it would then have alot more variables. As he said, we are not comparing firearms, we are comparing cartridges as closely as we can. Accuracy is based on a multitude of different things, and if we had the exact same model of firearm in all calibers shown, with same barrel length, I think it'd be fair. The fact we don't, you'd have to extrapolate alot of the results to how similar are these pistols and build quality, and how much of this is just the round being fired. I think at the end of the day, accuracy wise, it'll be perfectly acceptable for self defense. So while I agree that it would be a nice addition and I would like to see it myself too, I see why he didn't.
clarification, you mean incapacitating. Even poorly placed rounds will be fatal if the victim receives no medical attention.
@@minutemanmedic4143 I usually don't like pithy talking points, but this one is relevant.
A civilian does not need to be lethal. A civilian needs to make a "change of behaviour" (basically the aggressor surrendering or running way) nothing more. You're not the police, you're not the army, you do not have to force compliance and Confront to Conform. As such pretty much any gun will do. For all the "low power" mockery the 380 ACP gets (for example) I challenge anyone to find ANYONE who'll agree to take a single 380 round to the chest.
They reinvented 32 French Long, I suggested this one years ago as 32 Super and was shot down by none other than Jan Libourel . Having more rounds in the magazine is always a good idea in a combat situation, reloading makes you vulnerable, nobody suggests single shots for self defense .
Paul did not suggest a single shot. Your statement makes an implication and no sense. You are correct, reloading makes you vulnerable. However if done correctly you always have a loaded gun, even while reloading.
@@royharrell1760 you related to Paul? I had brother n law named Roy. Nice guy.
Reloads are all but non existent in self defense shootings. A pistol with a ten round magazine is more than adequate. The .30 SC cartridge is an answer to a question no one asked.
Who is reloading in a self defense situation?
Most situations end in around five shots and modern carry guns are packing around 10-15.
Higher capacity is nice, even if not important. It's paying three time the cost for practice ammo that I can't get past.
Great stuff as always, PH!
Nicely done video with tons of practical information. I think 30 Super Carry is an interesting caliber. The real tell will be if companies like Ruger, Sig Sauer, and Glock decide to come on board. I also agree that knowing your weapon, how to handle it, shot placement, etc., are at least as important as how many rounds one carries. Also, the S&W Shield Plus is not really a small gun when compared to something like the Ruger LCP Max .380. The S&W Shield Plus SC is 19.3 oz w/ 13 rd empty mag. The Ruger LCP Max .380 is just 10.8 oz w/ 12 rd empty mag. One thing is certain, .380 and 9mm calibers are not going away. If 30 Super Carry wants to survive, gun makers will have to produce true micro-carry platforms in this caliber. So far, the only SC pistols are from S&W and Nighthawk - and they are not micro-carry size.
When Paul starts counting, I watch for birds. Must be a Pavlovian response.
Rumor has it that Paul was asked to be an extra as a victim in Steven Spielberg's 'Jaws' film, but when the shark found out, it quit and they had to build a mechanical shark to take its place.
Yeah, that shark knew better.
Rumor I hear is that, upon Birth Paul gave the doctor useful, accurate and timely information on how to finish the procedure. The doctor went on to get awards in his field.
Pocket carry... ya never know. Better be polite. 😂
@@tek4 And the idea of a meat target was born.
Um, how many different cali... mothers and doctor's did he test to make sure he could honestly evaluate? 🤔
Great video as usual! Thank you Sir!
Scarcity often equals value among collectors, especially among those that want one of every make/model/variant of a specific manufacturer like S&W. If I thought a new gun/caliber combination would be discontinued after a year or two after limited production, I might buy a couple and leave them unfired in the box until they become collectible.
I have seen other comparisons on this topic from other channels, but I always Love Pauls take on it. And man, the Pop Tart commercials are on fire!❤🔥
I was waiting on this presentation since the cartridge was announced. I was curious to see if the cartridge would perform as advertised. The original Shield in 9mm held 8 rounds in the extended magazine and seven in the flush fit. The Shield Plus in 9mm, which is virtually identical in size, holds 13 in the extended mag and 11 in the flush fit. The .30 SC Shield Plus holds 15 & 13 respectively, that’s Glock 19 capacity in a very concealable gun. Unfortunately today’s performance results are disappointing. I would still like to see Hornady Critical Defense tested out of the gun though. Thanks for another great video Paul.
I think if more ammo manufacturers got involved and tested it, the round could be amazing. I carry 380 and sometimes 32 acp. Paul has done many videos showcasing that those rounds can be effective depending on what ammo you carry. Federal is always garbage with there carry rounds. They're never consistent. Lucky Gunner has done a lot of testing with ballistics gel and with almost ever calibers federal never penetrates the same and expansion doesn't always happen. I don't think it will be a 9mm killer but I think it would be a great carry gun if we could get good ammo for it
Great Video..
I will still stick with my 40 S&W..
@@zachman9000100 Can you recommend a good place to see 32 ACP test results?
I sometimes carry a KelTec 32, but I have it loaded with mediocre FMJ. I've always feared carrying hollow points because of insufficient penetration. (When I bought this P32, UA-cam was a fledgling website and ammo testing was all text based on forums, so I felt utterly overwhelmed.)
@@cymond yeah Paul Harrell has a bunch of videos. Just type in 32 acp Paul Harrell. He has done 2 or 3 videos on it
@@cymond Paul recently made a new video on .32 ACP ammo selection. The results were... not impressive. None of the hollow points by any manufacturer showed any significant expansion.
By comparison a number of manufacturers offer .380 ACP ammo that offers decent expansion.
Paul's conclusion was if you want a really compact firearm, get a .25, and if you want a decent defensive round, get a .380. .32 is kind of an awkward, unhappy medium. But if you already have a .32, just buy the cheapest ammo you can find for it.
Thanks Paul, this was very informative. I am looking at a SW Shield EZ for my wife, because it is easier to rack the slide than other nines but was considering this round because I thought it would have lighter recoil. You have convinced me to stay with 9X19. We already have three nines in the family and I am sure the ammo is less expensive also.
Thanks for the analysis, Paul.
Just the video I’ve been waiting for, thanks Paul!
Thanks for your work . All things considered I'm sticking to my 9's because back in my day I invested so much money into the ammo . But I'm not hating the 30 supper cary !
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Brilliant evaluation and testing, thanks Mr.Harrell.
I've never watched before but was really in grossed in this episode, you do a great job can't wait to see more
Another "in between caliber" that is unnecessary, will be hard to get and will be expensive to shoot.
Great review
Except it isn't actually inbetween. The .30 SC is within 5% of the energy of 9x19mm (and occasionally more powerful than some 9mm loads), and gives you an 18% bump in magazine capacity. If Federal can work out the bullet expansion issues (which is a pretty minor tweak), then it will be a no brainer for replacing .380 ACP and 9mm in subcompact pistols.
@@ostiariusalpha Too much math. 30 sc will be very hard to get and big $$$, not worth it in my view. Putting an extra magazine of 9mm in the front pocket solves the capacity issue
@@mgsharnhorst If basic arithmetic is too difficult for you, then maybe you should get off the internet and hit the books. It's never too late to better yourself. As I've repeated elsewhere, 9mm has a bad habit of spiking in price thanks to periods of panic buying, and those aren't going away anytime soon. It's true though if Vista Outdoors can't manage to get the price of .30 SC down a bit, it certainly won't grow in popularity.
I myself do appreciate the "size to scale" especially since the 30 SC is not all that common of a "carry" pistol.
Not that common _yet_ I never thought the 40 would be common. We'll see 👀
I bet the .30SC would become more popular as a carry pistol as a single stack ultralight. Not trying to stick a couple more rounds into a double stack magazine.
@@ScottKenny1978 Dude I'd love to go back to a 1911 platform. I carry what the Sheriff's Deputies carry, it's a double stack.
@@ScrappyXGC Rock Island makes a double stack 1911, but you gotta put the thinnest available grips on it yourself. For whatever reason they ship it with the same fat grips as on their single stack.
@@ScottKenny1978 I've carried a P10-45 for years. It would me nice to get back to a commander 1911 (yes the P10 is smaller than the Officer, it was capacity so I only carried one spare, I could bring 21 to bear every day, 31 if I wasn't working) didn't need replacement grips. Going from 8 (10 in the P10) to 12 in a single stack would be outstanding. The +P's... I use +P's in *every* pistol, hopefully not against any person. The P 10 is 11 +10 beats the hell out of 9 + 8 on a work day. You probably think like me, COM, 5X5 square or round at engagement. This possibility exists that we can have 13 + 12 on a work day. And a slim standard 1911, vs my 14 + 13, currently. I'm looking forward to the +P that rivals what's coming out of my G23.
It's a bitch to pocket carry that when you just have to go. P10 just a small brick, Commander no one would notice. Toooooo many reviews comparing it to the 9, it should be the 40 and why or why not. A huge number of departments use the 40. Only reason I constant carry it. They need a mag, I got them, I need a mag they can get me. Non work day, multiply 13 by 3 and add one to that number, yea I busted out laughing when I realized how many rounds of 40. That laugh was good
As always good information & entertaining. Keep it up Paul.
Another great video. Thank you.