".30 Stronk" is exactly the kind of firearms commentary I've come to love this channel for, thank you so much Ian! For some reason I couldn't pull "commentary" from my morning brain
One of the nice features is that if the actual 7.65mm Longue is cut off by their present manufacturers, there is a chance we can make decent Longue out of these super .30s. Much easier to shave a millimeter off brass than to draw a shorter cartridge up.
Actually it would be impossible, the .30SC case is larger enough in diameter to not fit even in a loose 7.65x20mm Longue chamber. Almost as if it was purposely done to keep dumb people from blowing up antique pistols with ammo that was way beyond their pressure rating.
Yup, and well in theory a reloader could not just 'take a little off the top' but even measure the powder within and do some kinda sciency mathematics to deduce how much powder should be put aside to make that trimmed .30 Super Carry ballistically proper for 7.65 French. Really, I mean unless Ian just has NO experience in reloading whatsoever, he just seems like the perfect man for the job. Dude's obsessed, total francophile. If it's been graced with a gentle tap from the magic baguette wand and blessed with a waft of wine-touched cigarette smoke, Ian loves it, and not really ANYONE else on UA-cam comes to mind in terms of people talking about how rare it is to get a hold of 7.65 French. So if Ian doesn't convert .30 Super Carry to 7.65 French and demonstrate it running in a French firearm whether it be the SMG or the pistol, I fear that quite possibly nobody will. We must show patience, and have faith in Gun Jesus. HAH! I wonder how he'd react to a scaled-up one-off of some machinist's new-manufacture... oh wait, I think that's illegal, I was gonna laugh about someone making a MAS 38 or whatever it's called but made bigger to chamber it in .30 Super Carry then give it to Ian. Maybe in semi-auto-only it'd be okay? I don't know, but anyhow it's a funny thought.
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 No, he didn't. He said they were baffled by his comparison, because they were unaware of the 7.65mm French, not that they didn't care.
@@Stevie-J Ian is no threat to their business, that's laughably ignorant. They were probably gleeful that he was there, and gave a thumbs up to their product.
those people are probably just relatively unaware of and not interested in historical guns. you don't have to be trying to copy an old ammo type to nearly reproduce it, you can just start from some other cartridge and make this smaller and that bigger, and you're pretty likely to make something that happens to resemble a different ammo type that once existed. and really if you look at the rounds in the video, the 30 super carry looks exactly the same as the .32 ACP and less like the 7.65 french long.
I think that's kind of funny that they're so proud of their new cartridge and then you go "Oh that's 7.65 french long!" and they're like "What's that?"
Federal just happened to make the cartridge case slightly longer to prevent chambering in 7.65mm French Long pistols? Even if not every part of the team knew about the older round, this seems more than mere coincidence to me.
@@MichaelScheele Well yeah. They probably just ran into the standards for an old round that’d chamber and did the thing you do with it for safety, never even looking at what that old round was. Or even one step further removed, they sent it off to the applicable safety standards org who told them to make it a mm longer for such a reason and they thought no more of it.
@@MichaelScheele For me I'm sure the RND team and the higher ups knew about the 7.65 French but the sales/marketing team might not know about the history.
@@abookishdragon4691 Well, as long as we don't see any obvious 7,65 millimeter needle marks in Ian's elbow pit, we know his addiction's still manageable.
How the .30 super carry came to fruition. “Guys we have all this tooling for to make .32 caliber casings and projectiles, because the .327 federal magnum was a flop. Let’s do the same thing, but for an auto loader.” I can practically guarantee that’s how this got started. I can’t say I blame them for trying with the tooling having excess capacity.
Tooling, yes, excess capacity? We're still in the midst of an ammo shortage with scores of factory loads for millions of gun out-of-production for two years because they can't make enough 9, 45, 40, and 380. Out of one side of their mouth they say the 30 Super in no way affected production of other cartridges, but then tell us the reason they haven't made the other cartridges is because of critical component shortages and they are at max capacity. Where is the 30 Super being made, in the clouds? What are they using for primers, unicorn farts?
@@TXGRunner I don’t know for sure, but I’m speculating that they have lines dedicated to certain caliber sizes. IE .40/10mm, 9mm/.380/.38 special/357, .32acp/.327federal mag/.30 super carry. That would be where the capacity is coming from. It’s probably too difficult or costly to change those lines of production from one caliber size to another, but they have available capacity due to limited production of other calibers of the same size. The primers/powders is a different story however.
What is old is new. Larger cartridges being re-adopted for the Army, smaller and faster pistol rounds gaining steam, there will always be a Renaissance every quarter century or so it seems.
Let's see if the new cartridge goes anywhere now. The whole idea behind it was increased range AND armor penetration for defeating Russian body armor. Now that we KNOW that Russia doesn't even issue body armor, we don't need that new round as badly.
I'm also quite interested in how the 30 SC would do with a 8"-16" barrel on a PCC. Being that it's running a 50K PSI, I would think it might benefit a decent amount from the longer barrel.
@@johndavidwolf4239 Most 9mm is supersonic in handguns. Although I don't have the numbers for .30 SC in front of me, I imagine a cartridge that runs (much) higher pressures with a lighter bullet would be supersonic when shot out of just about anything.
Stronger metals, cartridge cases, and breach locking designs could allow for a super high pressure 25 "ACP" using longer heavy bullets. You could have a 25 round Shield.
At that point you might as well use bottlenecked ammunition in order to send that pill really fast. And use pointy bullets. And may even use a rebated rim and perfectly straight case walls so you can stick 50 of them in a top-mounted magazine that sits flush, ideal for a bullpup personal self defense weapon. Hey wait a minute…
@@jeffpinkava9634 With a short barrel the muzzle flash will scare them away. Many years ago High Standard made a "women's self defense pistol", a snub nosed 9-shot double-revolver in 22 mag. The problem (or advantage) was a 2 foot long muzzle flash.
I love that James let you use his SHOT Show footage and you gave him a shout out for his (honestly) solid review. Your industry feels like a big family
It’s crazy how things are so cyclical. It’s like our check out this new crazy thing and it was literally done 70 years ago. I mean 6.5 creedmoor look how amazing it is….. 6.5 Swede, 7mm-08, 25-06, 260 Remington ect.
I share Ian's affection for the 1935A handgun. Many/most Americans have never even heard of it. But it's a Charles Petter designed weapon. Petter was able to improve upon the Browning system in both accuracy and reliability. Another weapon which shares the Petter pedigree is the SIG P210, probably the most lusted-after military grade semiauto pistol in history. And the most beautiful. Probably the only 1930s-era military sidearm I'd use in original condition out of the box with no modifications for self defense and be perfectly confident doing it. Ian, if you haven't done a video on Petter and his designs, you really should. Both his designs and he himself are quite interesting. In addition to being a gun designer on par with any of his peers at FN or Walther or any of the other European gun manufacturers, he was also a native Swiss who earned his French citizenship by serving in the French Foreign Legion (!) in WW1. If you've already done a video on him, could somebody be so kind as to provide a link? I looked over the vast number of videos on your channel and didn't see one.
I am interested in the possibility of double feed magazines. They have been recognised as superior in long guns, but pistols seldom use them because of frame width. With 30 Super Carry it should be possible to have double feed without the frame getting too wide.
So for Ian, this is basically Christmas, his birthday, and Bastille Day all rolled into one? Merely mentioning 7.65 French Longue is enough to get his heart beating faster.
Between the .30SC and the .327 Federal Magnum it looks like an effort to revive the early 20th century interest in .32 caliber firearms. Higher capacity in both revolver and semiautomatic, not a bad thing. And with terminal ballistics equivalent to 9mm/.357 cartridges. I personally hope it catches on.
I LOVE the .327 Fed, it's almost shameful that they're almost exclusively available in only carry type revolvers. I've built 2 from S&W models 10 and 67 so far, the 10 being a 6" bull barrel, the 67 is a sleeved stock barrel. Both Fantastic revolvers, both not available otherwise!!!
"If you say "32 calibre pistol" to someone in guns, they immediately think of that as, "Oh .32, .32 ACP, underpowered, wimpy." "I hear "32 calibre pistol" and I think "I want". I currently have 32 ACP, 32 S&W Long, and 32-20 WCF. Some day 32 H&R Magnum, 327 Federal Magnum, and of course 32 French Long. And I guess I now have to get 30 SC.
I appendix carry a Glock 43X with Shield Arms 15 round mag every day. I've put close to 3000 rds thru it now with no problems whatsoever. It's my Goldilocks gun for sure. That being said, I hope Glock makes a 43X in 30 Super Carry and ammo makers start producing cheap ball ammo for practice in it, at least as cheap as like 9mm Blazer Brass.
@@gregorylubbers8533 Glock will make a 30 super in 15 years after everyone else has, and then have way less rounds and they strut around like they did something, Perfection
The sales goons probably can't get much past figuring out which end of the gun to hold. I would bet the ammo designers knew even more about .32 French Longue than Ian.
@@ostiariusalpha The problem is that if you are unaware of previous developments, then they could've easily ended up with a situation where their round actually WOULD chamber in a French longue, and they would've got sued when someone blew their hand off.
With the new Shield rebates where you can potentially get a 30 Super Carry Shield for $250 I decided to do research on this round and came across your channel. Wow, congrats. Your videos are very educational and informative, keep it up. New subscriber. 👍 👌
Hi Ian, lemme tell you this, in Turkey the "French Ten Shooter" or "Fransız Onlusu" (cuz it takes 9+1) in 7.65mm was and still is a popular pistol. My father had one and he was a fan until he opted for an ankle holster size pistol. I think you can find many original and locally produced copy French pistols in Turkey. These pistols used to be standard issue for the police in Turkey half a century ago.
@@DrewElGringasho We can have pistols, semi-auto and pump-action shotguns, bolt-action rifles. These require separate licences. Shotguns are the easiest and cheapest to licence since traditionally they are seen as hunting tools.
@@DrewElGringasho Anyone can get a license for a hunting shotgun. There are couple different licenses for pistols, license for owning a pistol and having at home or work place is rather easy to get but pistol carry license isn't obtainable for regular folk. (Jewelers, factory owners and large farm owners can get it) And you can't own rifles of any kind legally. (But there is a huge black market for illegal/handmade pistols and antique rifles)
@@josedorsaith5261 Inspecting the home? UK is weird man lol. In Turkey the requirements are simple, you need a clean background and you need to pass a mental and physical health examination, that is it.
@@Soykha You can own and use bolt-action rifles for hunting. Check out the channel Yivlici or something similar to that name, he explains how you get the licence for that. Albeit he complains about how unnecessarily strict the process is.
This 0.30 round will make a great Marlin, Winchester, Henry lever action rifle round. OR, maybe Ruger can make a 10/30 rifle with a rotary magazine like the 10/22.
@@RavemastaJ 380 is somehow still alive (even though I personally like it, it’s shocking) so I don’t doubt it’s possible for this to catch on. It’s not like gun guys aren’t willing to dish out cash either. I’ve seen it plenty.
@@frost214ify I feel like .380 is going to drop in popularity due to all the ludicrously small, high capacity 9mms that have come out in the last few years. Concealability was the main advantage of .380, and now you can get a 9mm that's pretty much just as small. .380 is never going to completely go away, but I do feel like it's losing it's niche in the market. 30 SC could replace it as a 9mm alternative if it can just catch on. I hope it does.
@@nickaschenbecker9882 .380 does have a recoil advantage though. It's pretty much the lightest-kicking round that has proven solid performance for personal defense so it's great for tiny guns that would normally have harsh recoil. Also great for people with weak hands. Statistics have shown .380 is a very effective defensive cartridge.
@@samhouston1288 For me when come to the .380 I feel like in the future gun companies might not even bother to make new .380 platforms. The ammo maker might still make the 380 ammo but up to x amount per year, stop and make x amount the next year. One of my FFL said that when come to wildcat cartridges ammo manufacturers might only crank out x amount for the year, stop and crank out x amount the next year. I know that comparing .380 to wildcat cartridges is apple and oranges but for me I think .380 could be heading towards that way in the future.
Me, 10 years ago- "It's too bad they didn't come out with an auto-pistol version of .327 Federal Magnum. They could call it .327 Federal Auto Mag/Magnum." I'd like to see what velocities you'd get with .30 Super Carry loaded with 85gr bullets out of a 4.5" or 5" barreled full-sized pistol.
Thanks Iam, this is the best video on the new 30 Super Carry and Shield Plus. Your display at 5:24 is the most brilliant way to explain the added capacity of the smaller diameter round versus 9mm.
This is my 7th video researching if I should go 9mm or 30 SC and wow, this is the best one by far. You did bring some very interesting perspectives! Thank you!
The hardcore high-volume shooters will most likely get the same gun in both calibers, and practice with the cheaper-to-shoot 9mm version while carrying the .30SC.
@@matchesburn I could see a benefit if there was an easy conversion between the two. For example, I carry my Sig P320 in .357 Sig but practice at the range with .40S&W since all I need to change between the two calibers is a barrel swap. Though I am skeptical of .30 SC elsewhere in that .357 Sig offers a great deal of energy if that’s important. Not as much as 10mm, but 10mm’s recoil can be a handful for a lot of people (it’s why .40S&W even exists) while .357 Sig matches .357 Magnum’s performance which is a well proven and popular police round for a long time. So .357 Sig still offers something compelling in terms of performance. Meanwhile, .30 Super Carry seems to be about increasing capacity, but 5.7x28mm is gonna do that even better while also having less recoil and lighter weight. And while 5.7 is very expensive compared to 9mm, .30SC is a new, proprietary cartridge so the price gap wouldn’t be as significant.
Oh lord... My Turkish HP copy - since FN never made a sub compact one - has been with me since 2015, and the only benefit was a shorter slide on full frame lower. But this tempts me like slick devil!
@@justindunlap1235 I think C&S still offers their custom one, or as part kit plus shortened spring! That part took me months to find when I decided to source the Turkish dooda. Worked just fine despite the 92-ish weight. Otherwise, feel like the new FN made HP could have been offered in sub compact by now.
Interesting thought about .30 Super Carry making it into competitions where usually 9x19 is regarded as the minimum... I don't know. There may be a mixture of love for the 9x19 as well as not wanting to compete against a cartridge that SEEMS to be virtually every bit as effective or energy-dense as 9mm yet able to carry 20% more round. So rather than excluding Super Carry from competitions due to thinking it's insufficient or something, it would be more done to keep the rules as they are so that 9x19 shooters (which is, I presume, most shooters) aren't basically left at the disadvantage of having 1/5th less capacity than those using .30 Super Carry. I'll also add that those who can afford it (and if the cartridge becomes successful it will over time become more affordable) could end up flocking to .30 Super Carry for the boost in ammo capacity with minimal-if-any difference in performance on paper or steel. 9mm, .40, and .45 ACP abandoned in droves as .30 Super Carry dominates. At this early stage, OBVIOUSLY these are wild concepts from quite an active 'what-if' imagination, but those ideas seem reasonable and logical to me. At least from the little that I know of competition shooting, which is SERIOUSLY very little beyond what I've seen with Forgotten Weapons, my blabbering of the hypothetical doesn't have anything on the face of it that seems outrageous. Well, maybe competition shooters find it to be a petty thought that the organization would exclude .30 Super Carry due to defensiveness over 9x19 being something of the top-dog when it comes to capacity and impact. Seems reasonable to exclude a 5.7x28 pistol like that Kel-Tec one that uses 50-round FN P90 mags. Firstly, the ammo could potentially damage steel targets, no? If not with plain ball ammo, if it's the armor-piercing stuff then wouldn't that cause damage? And also I imagine it doesn't impart all that much energy to steel targets. A lot of plinking with not a whole lot happening. Anyhow I'm being HIGHLY speculative and may be saying things that make little-to-no sense for people who know more than me so I'll stop now lol Also, VERY cool that 7.65 French can allegedly function in the .30 Super Carry Hi Point Carbine!
1. I agree. I can't tell the difference in recoil between 30 SC and 9 mm. 2. Ammunition/magazine load out: A. I've NEVER heard anyone complain of having Ammunition left over after a gun fight. B. The most likely failure point of an autoloader is the magazine, thus number of rounds is not the only factor.
Ian, as always, excellent video. I specifically applaud your under shooter shot at the end with the brass flying through the blue sky, Beautiful. Nicely done. I for one hope to see more shots shot like that from the community at large. Keep up the great work. And thanks for all the great content over the years.
I think the benefit of .30 SC is more in the larger firearms, as you alluded to. While it's nice getting two more rounds in a micro compact, I think diminishing returns start kicking in after 10 rounds. However, fitting 5 extra in a duty sidearm or 10+ extra in a carbine is quite substantial. Imagine 20+ rounds in something like a G17 or P320 with a flush magazine.
@@Valorius Not at all. Think of the most common uses for particular pistol types and where the increased capacity will have the greatest impact. This might be a long response. TLDR, extra rounds only matter if you can actually fire them. The type of situation where I will fire 17 rounds from a concealed pistol, legally, and still survive ( and where only 14 rounds would be insufficient ) is so astronomically unlikely it's not something I worry about. However, people that use full-size pistols and sub guns ( soldiers, LEOs, perhaps competitive shooters ) will see a bigger benefit when their standard loadout is increased by 20% ( ~10 extra rounds for pistol, 50 or more extra rounds for PCCs and sub guns ). In more detail, micro doublestacks, like the P365, are almost exclusively for civilian conceal carry. The vast majority of civilian defensive shootings, especially outside the home, are 3-4 rounds fired. Very few go over six rounds, and most cases involving more than six rounds fired are legally dubious ( the 7th, 8th, 9th rounds were fired after fleeing individuals, etc ). So where do you start hitting diminishing returns where the ammo capacity is largely superfluous? Or worse, do the tradeoffs for that extra ammo capacity in a concealed pistol become burdensome? In the event you'd need to use a CCW in a defensive situation, the normal 6+1 capacity of the G43 would more than likely be more than sufficient. Really, even if you missed a few shots ( and I don't want to go down the marksmanship rabbit hole as I'm a firm believer in the "you can't miss fast enough" philosophy ), seven rounds should still be just enough for almost any situation you'd use a concealed pistol for. Understandably, people usually want "more." The original Shield had 7+1, or 8+1 with extended mags. The trade-off for the extra rounds was miniscule extra length in the grip. Practically, you were getting extra rounds for nothing. Enter the P365. Now you're talking 10+1 rounds in practically the exact same size of pistol, so again, no real trade-off for the increased capacity. These days, yes, you can get 12+1, 13+1, and 15+1, but it's no longer a "free" upgrade. The P365X, G43X, and various extended magazines add not insignificant length to the grip. The longer grip improves shootability and recoil control, but also increases risk of printing when carrying, so pick your poison. Opting for .30 SC in these pistols means extra ammo capacity at the literal cost of significantly more expensive ammo ( the difference in terminal performance is insignificant to me ). As a wise man says, "Is there a difference, and if so, is the difference enough to actually make a difference?" At the core is the question, "What situations/scenarios could I solve and survive with 17 ( or 14 ) rounds, but not with only 14 ( or 11 ) rounds?" Someone might dream up an incredibly unlikely event they get waylaid by 10+ assailants. With so many attackers, would you even survive to get to those extra rounds? You might get three of them before any respond, four if you're really fast, but if any of the remainder have firearms you'll be taking fire almost immediately and your survival rate goes to near zero. If none of them had firearms to begin with ( or only the ones you shot first did ), odds are the other goons will turn and run after seeing you shoot a couple of their buddies. If you're talking multiple invaders in your house, then weapon concealment doesn't matter. When it's on your bedside table, use an extended mag. In short, it's already ( thankfully ) unlikely I'll need to pull my weapon on someone else. In that unlikely event, it's even more unlikely I'll go past seven rounds. Going past 12 rounds is a fraction of a fraction of a percentage, and not one I care to worry about. IMNSHO, diminishing returns start around the 10-round mark ( at least with current technology ). Going above that for an extended grip that lets you shoot better is a perfectly sound choice. Choosing to pay 50% more for ammo so you can prepare for that 0.0001% situation is not a wise compromise in my eyes.
Great video. You are one of the smarter presenters on all of UA-cam! People who think you have to shoot all the time to stay proficient are full of bovine scatology! I'm a retired Army Ranger and almost never train, but every time I go to the range I do better than everyone there, so it's more about the training you've had and muscle memory and reflex action than just constantly training!
Thanks for a great presentation. For me, I’d like to see the smallest most concealable version even if it is a single stack. I.E., I carry a Seecamp .32 which surely falls into the category of “underpowered” by tacticool standards. This is a tiny pistol, and only has a 2” barrel, and requires modification for more than a 1 finger grip. I carry this because I carry always- including at work with a hands-on job in construction. I disagree with the underpowered definition of .32 for the same reason the FBI switched back to 9mm. I tested my Seecamp with Underwood Lehigh extreme cavitor, and extreme penetrator in +P and std. In both cases, the ammunition exceeded factory claims producing 1050 fps std, and 1150 fps +p- with a 55 gr projectile. For self defense, this is acceptable when aimed at the proper targets. A 30SC single stack small enough to be a pocket cannon would be right up my alley. Hopefully Lehigh will produce some 30SC specific bullets- like their maximum expansion design. The sub-compact self defense segment is certainly getting interesting!!!
Thanks for the encouragement, Ian...I've been curious about the new cartridge, but never really heard nor saw any sort of in-depth presentation about it until now. Look like I'll be going shopping for the .30SC version of the M&P to go with my current 9x19 variant.
I have been a collector since the 1980's and I am well aware of the 7.65 French Long and thought the same when I heard about .30 super carry. Thanks Ian!
Hello Ian, Thanks for your amazing review. I appreciate the history on the French Long as well as the warm enthusiasm for the 30 super carry. Safe shooting and many blessings.
People just missing the potential of 30 super carry.... every single pocket pistol that was once chambered in 25acp or 32acp... can now be an effective platform in 30 super carry. The Colt 1908.... a beautiful shirt pocket pistol can now have some umph .
Ian I'm so glad you picked up on the correlation between the two cartridges, I recently had my hands on a well worn French semi automatic in the French cartridge. I have always wanted one but it was not in good shape and restoring it would cost more than it was worth. I have seen the Night Hawk 1911 custom they make in 30 super carry. They are nice guns but not at$4000.00 a piece.
My girlfriend will be 21 soon and this looks like a great cartridge for her. She likes my p365xl but she’ll probably get the regular 365 or maybe a S&W shield. We’ll be borrowing a few more different ones from friends and hitting the range soon so she can find what she likes best but this cartridge seems great for someone with less size to carry.
Honestly you should check out the P365 in .380. Same magazine size with a lot less snap, and it can use the 9mm mags at the range for plinking. Also if you want to scale up to nine, just buy a 9mm upper and 9mm magazines and your golden.
@@billdauterive1180 yeah I’ve thought of that but after she shot my nine she showed no problem with it. I’ll definitely borrow our friends 380 for her to try next time we go though. She’s just a skinny little thing so concealing anything is more of a challenge then her being confident with shooting it. Thanks man!
Good for you. That is the best way to do it. Try out many different types so she can get a feel for what is comfortable for her and not you. To many people came into the store I worked at and wanted brand x gun because some friend told them they would like it. They usually left with something else because we had them go through the motions with a bunch of different types.
I would also like to see a P365x/xl in .30SC. If they can already fit 12 rounds of 9mm, they should be able to get maybe 15 rounds of .30 in a flush fit mag.
@@GhostFoxvonBohmen Man an XL in that caliber could have some SERIOUS potential, and since the OAL of the cartridge is similar to 9mm you could use mag guts +2 springs and get even more capacity.
You have taught me so much over the last 2 years. Thank you. Guns are complicated engineering on a level to a Swiss watch. It has stretched my brain and given me much knowledge. Thank you for your content. I hope to buy a Lee Enfield SMLE no.4 in the uk for the range one day. Not easy paperwork but workable x
I’m wondering what kind of velocity this would achieve out of like an 8” barrel in a pcc. I know it’s got a fast powder for running in small hand guns but I bet you would get more still out of a couple more inches. That, coupled with it being a slimmer bullet profile may help it retain energy over slightly longer ranges when compared to 9mm.
Kinda amazing how this is the first time i've heard about .30 Super Carry having an advantage with magazine capacity. I EDC a subcompact 380 auto with a spare mag. If i can get 12 rounds in one pistol near the same size i would use a .30 Super Carry pistol.
When the 30 Super Carry came out a friend gave me three boxes of ammo. I asked around to friends if anyone could use them and nothing back. So, I just sat on them. Fast forward to this weekend. Palmetto State Armory selling a S&W at half price. LOL! First time I bought a gun to fit the ammo I just happened to have. :) As always, I love and appreciatte your knowledge and videos!
Ian, exciting to see a "Forgotten" round become the new hotness. Any chance on a series on other forgotten firearms ideas/weapons that may actually be a innovative answer to a current need?
6mm is currently making a bit of a comeback with the idea of a universal cartridge. The Italians and others used 6.5 back in ww1 and ww2 for just that purpose. Not Ian, but thought it would be worth sharing.
Personally, I'd like to see new firearms chambered in .30 Carbine. It hits a sweet spot between pistol rounds and rifle rounds. There really aren't any other calibers I know of that fit in that niche. It's an intermediate intermediate round. I would love a PCC form factor carbine in .30 Carbine, with modern magazines. Magazine reliability was really the main drawback of the M1 Carbine, which I am a big fan of.
I just got finished test-firing a 1935A that had a barrel re-chambered for 30SC (involved cutting the chamber just a little deeper - rounds fit perfectly into the magazine). Post test, all of the brass looks good, no signs of over-pressure (though some of the brass was found 25 feet behind my right shoulder). I was not shooting on paper, so I cannot comment on accuracy, though I was aiming at a55 gallon drum 100 yards away, and was hitting it as many times as I was missing it. Both barrel and slide locking lugs were examined closely, no signs of cracking (25 rounds fired), and no signs of peening. The barrel's external dimensions were measured and compared to the original barrel's (I procured an extra barrel for this test), all dimensions were identical, no signs of the barrel expanding. A new Wolf recoil spring was installed for this test, there were no malfunctions, and only one failure to feed when a round hung up on the bottom of the barrel's feed ramp. Overall the weapon appeared to handle the higher-powered round well, though with this round it bites the web of my hand worse than any Walther PP-family handgun ever has. I'm considering the test successful, though I really don't want to shoot this gun very much with this round (I used CCI Blazer 115 grain ammo for this test).
17 rounds in a subcompact? With a round that actually has some energy on target? I'm going to have to read up more on .30 Super Carry. This interests me greatly!
@@Bacteriophagebs Aye, but if you're getting half the velocity out of the round whose only real benefit is velocity, you're getting 22lr energy and a gigantic fireball. I'm a fan of all things 5.7 (I own one), but even the regular pistol is already compromising it's performance by ~200fps. Another 2 inches is going to take significantly more than that, and the gun would still necessitate being rather large.
Seems nice. Those of us who live in jurisdictions with 10 round limits might prefer to use .40, 10 mm or .45 ACP. Though 10 rounds of .30 Super Carry might enable a really _small_ CC weapon.
There are many .40 to 9mm conversion barrels (Storm Lake, Lone Wolf, etc). A 9mm to .30SC conversion barrel and matching .30SC mag would give new life to the millions of single stacks (e.g. Gen 1 & 2 Shields) for under $200 (based on cost of current conversion barrels with mag).
@@509Gman .40 to 9 (.356) is .044……9 (.356) to 30SC (.317) is .039. There may be issues with this idea but the potential market (literally millions of Gen 1 & 2 Shields alone) is worth manufacturers looking into it.
As a competition shooter, I'm also interested to see if they'll let this cartridge be used for pistols. As you've demonstrated here, the only thing you need power for in competition is effect on moving steel targets (especially Spinners) and the increased capacity would be a boon as well, especially in divisions that restrict the magazine length, not capacity.
The cartridge should have been called 32 Super Auto (for marketing purpose) and it should have been loaded to energy levels just above 380ACP, ~ 250 ft-lbs (similar to standard pressure 38 Special). A lot of people would have liked an new "old school" 32 pocket pistol with 38 Special power. Competing with 9mm Luger was a mistake, especially with the new high capacity compact models like the Hellcat/LCPMax/P365. Federal made the same mistake with "327 Federal" competing with 357 Magnum. Also, 30 Super won't be successful unless they design pistols around the cartridge; rather than simply converting existing 9mm Luger pistols.
If it's the same performance and they make enough of it cheap enough, and get some police departments to adopt it it'll compete. It's a steep hill to climb, but they could do it if they really wanted...
I feel pretty good knowing I came to the exact same conclusion myself regarding the cartridge naming. I happen to be a fan of .32 ACP and have 5 pistols in that chambering, but recognize it is a very often maligned cartridge. Too many people think of old top break or pocket revolvers is 32 S&W or other similar blackpowder loadings.
When it comes to adding a stock to a pistol and turning it into effectively a pocketable SMG, I think 5.7x28 is more compelling. Velocity, penetration, and even *greater* capacity, with lower recoil.
@@Centermass762 It means you are ice-picking someone to death vs. large holes that drop blood pressure. People can get stabbed a horrifying number of times before going down. Someone tanking more than five 9mm/.45acp is largely unheard of outside of people on drugs. I haven't seen much data for 5.7x28, but I would like to see if a semi-automatic chambered in that cartridge actually stopped someone, or if the person getting shot simply surrendered at some point in the engagement.
@@RavemastaJ you seem to be completely unfamiliar with the term "hydrostatic shock." You also seem to be completely unfamiliar with the Fort Hood shooting. 😉
I'm just super, super happy it's the same diameter projectile as .32 ACP. I'm really looking forward to seeing .32 ACP projectiles loaded in .30 SC for some really speedy loads.
Thanks for covering this new cartridge Ian. In addition to all the reasons you listed, the ability to have an extremely thin pistol (something like a Kahr) for concealment and a good level of power is very useful for people who need to be extremely well concealed.
There is one really cool PDW chambered in an anemic cartridge currently that would greatly benefit from this for the civilian market, without sacrificing mag capacity. It would be a game-changer for catching on, but the maker of that PDW would frown on it.
When this round was announced, I said to a friend, Ian just got his wish. I recalled you saying you wanted a 365 in .32 French on Handgun Radio. The big question, will Glock and Sig chamber this round?
I wish I could convert my CSX to .30sc but I also don’t like the ammo cost for .30… it’s a wonderful idea but until other ammo makers get on board, it’s going to be very pricy
@@calebnation6155 Hornaday is now on board. I wouldn't expect a miraculous drop in cost anytime soon, but .30SC is definitely showing some staying power.
I would love to see where this cartridge goes in a law enforcement context i think law enforcement will be slow to move on this cartridge but I think the appeal of having potentially the same amount of ammunition in their backup gun as their duty will bring some into carrying this cartridge as a backup but I’d love to see a duty size 30 super carry I mean we are talking about 20-21 rounds flush fit into a glock 17 size platform like the fn 5.7 except this looks like it would have better ballistics when it comes to unarmored opponents then the 5.7
You should always carry a spare magazine. It’s the single most common failure point for a semi-auto firearm. You carry it for failures not extra ammo in normal situations.
Yup. Besides mag failures it's easy to accidentally dump your mag out while under stress. Faster to grab your spare mag than go looking under the car where your old mag bounced.
@@burleydad I love it when people assume that because someone is an expert in their field they cannot be wrong or that someone cannot have a contrary opinion. Plus I'd bet money that you don't always agree with the experts.
@@DK-gy7ll I know several guys who have shaved the mag catch flush on their carry guns. You can still pop the magazine out if you really push your thumb meat in there. Mags don't just fail, it's almost exclusively a user induced malfunction.
Penetration depends entirely on bullet design and construction. 30 Super penetration can be mitigated by using hollowpoints and frangible bullet materials.
30 super carry is a substantially less powerful round than 7.62x25. The numbers floating around the internet are around 350 ft/lbs for 30 and the 7.62 has loads over 600 ft/lbs
Out of all the jello tests I've seen floating around the web, only FMJ or cheap JHP will penetrate more than what's typical for defensive loads in 7.62x25mm. Seems to come down to bullet construction, as with many other calibers.
Ian, next time we collaborate on subject matter I would appreciate it if your video wasn't so much better than mine. TIA
Rest of the gun community is gonna have to be more innovate than Federal to take Ian’s crown
Are short shorts in it tho?
Don’t worry they don’t have a Glock chambered in it yet
James will always have the shorter shorts
I opened my phone to watch your video, but I accidentally clicked on this guy’s. Idk what happened, big stash, no short shorts
Things in life you don't realize you need until you have it in your life:
1.) This cartridge
2.) Hearing Ian say "thirty STRONK"
and referencing the pro-gamer move
"Kinda have a thing for 7.65 French", yes Ian. We noticed...
@@GayActorMichael_Douglas As a French I do not see what you guys are trying to imply?! 🤣😂😁
Stop before he starts tweaking his nipples.
French length?
Ian, we’ve all been there. You can’t go back, and if you try… it won’t work out.
.375 Ruger is .35 Newton necked up…. Which I found out AFTER making a hundred .35 Newton cases from 7mm Remington ultra mag cases.
".30 Stronk" is exactly the kind of firearms commentary I've come to love this channel for, thank you so much Ian!
For some reason I couldn't pull "commentary" from my morning brain
Relationship with .30 Super Carry ended, we're into .30 Stronk now.
🤣🤣
@@FurnishedIgloo 4:54
Was looking for this. Up you go
lol yea :D
I noticed that when the .30 Super Carry was released I stopped getting auto-dial Spam calls from Arizona looking for 7.65 French Long.
One of the nice features is that if the actual 7.65mm Longue is cut off by their present manufacturers, there is a chance we can make decent Longue out of these super .30s. Much easier to shave a millimeter off brass than to draw a shorter cartridge up.
When he did the side-by-side, I had the same thought. It would be nothing to convert this new brass to French Long.
Actually it would be impossible, the .30SC case is larger enough in diameter to not fit even in a loose 7.65x20mm Longue chamber. Almost as if it was purposely done to keep dumb people from blowing up antique pistols with ammo that was way beyond their pressure rating.
Just order some from Starline.
Yup, and well in theory a reloader could not just 'take a little off the top' but even measure the powder within and do some kinda sciency mathematics to deduce how much powder should be put aside to make that trimmed .30 Super Carry ballistically proper for 7.65 French.
Really, I mean unless Ian just has NO experience in reloading whatsoever, he just seems like the perfect man for the job. Dude's obsessed, total francophile. If it's been graced with a gentle tap from the magic baguette wand and blessed with a waft of wine-touched cigarette smoke, Ian loves it, and not really ANYONE else on UA-cam comes to mind in terms of people talking about how rare it is to get a hold of 7.65 French.
So if Ian doesn't convert .30 Super Carry to 7.65 French and demonstrate it running in a French firearm whether it be the SMG or the pistol, I fear that quite possibly nobody will.
We must show patience, and have faith in Gun Jesus.
HAH! I wonder how he'd react to a scaled-up one-off of some machinist's new-manufacture... oh wait, I think that's illegal, I was gonna laugh about someone making a MAS 38 or whatever it's called but made bigger to chamber it in .30 Super Carry then give it to Ian. Maybe in semi-auto-only it'd be okay? I don't know, but anyhow it's a funny thought.
1984@@ostiariusalpha
Imagine having Ian coming up to your both all giggly and excited and not caring about the similarities to 7.65 French long, absolutely heartless
Who said they didn't care?
Someone like me asking for a comparison to 7.62x25
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 No, he didn't. He said they were baffled by his comparison, because they were unaware of the 7.65mm French, not that they didn't care.
@@Stevie-J Ian is no threat to their business, that's laughably ignorant. They were probably gleeful that he was there, and gave a thumbs up to their product.
those people are probably just relatively unaware of and not interested in historical guns. you don't have to be trying to copy an old ammo type to nearly reproduce it, you can just start from some other cartridge and make this smaller and that bigger, and you're pretty likely to make something that happens to resemble a different ammo type that once existed. and really if you look at the rounds in the video, the 30 super carry looks exactly the same as the .32 ACP and less like the 7.65 french long.
I think that's kind of funny that they're so proud of their new cartridge and then you go "Oh that's 7.65 french long!" and they're like "What's that?"
Federal just happened to make the cartridge case slightly longer to prevent chambering in 7.65mm French Long pistols?
Even if not every part of the team knew about the older round, this seems more than mere coincidence to me.
@@MichaelScheele Well yeah. They probably just ran into the standards for an old round that’d chamber and did the thing you do with it for safety, never even looking at what that old round was. Or even one step further removed, they sent it off to the applicable safety standards org who told them to make it a mm longer for such a reason and they thought no more of it.
@@MichaelScheele For me I'm sure the RND team and the higher ups knew about the 7.65 French but the sales/marketing team might not know about the history.
It’s not like the reps at SHOT are omniscient about every Federal.
@@rollastudent, good point. The reps at trade shows are sometimes actors or models given a script.
Haha, Ian's crippling French gun addiction is getting fueled. This can't be good...
Just don't give him a box of Chauchat ammo and all will be fine.
Honhon
@@ColdestDay Fix baguettes! Charge!
@@abookishdragon4691
Well, as long as we don't see any obvious 7,65 millimeter needle marks in Ian's elbow pit, we know his addiction's still manageable.
Ahhh, but it can too.
Viva La .32 !!!!
How the .30 super carry came to fruition. “Guys we have all this tooling for to make .32 caliber casings and projectiles, because the .327 federal magnum was a flop. Let’s do the same thing, but for an auto loader.” I can practically guarantee that’s how this got started. I can’t say I blame them for trying with the tooling having excess capacity.
Yeah, it’s basically .327 Fed Mag, but rimless and shorter.
Tooling, yes, excess capacity? We're still in the midst of an ammo shortage with scores of factory loads for millions of gun out-of-production for two years because they can't make enough 9, 45, 40, and 380. Out of one side of their mouth they say the 30 Super in no way affected production of other cartridges, but then tell us the reason they haven't made the other cartridges is because of critical component shortages and they are at max capacity. Where is the 30 Super being made, in the clouds? What are they using for primers, unicorn farts?
@@TXGRunner I don’t know for sure, but I’m speculating that they have lines dedicated to certain caliber sizes. IE .40/10mm, 9mm/.380/.38 special/357, .32acp/.327federal mag/.30 super carry. That would be where the capacity is coming from. It’s probably too difficult or costly to change those lines of production from one caliber size to another, but they have available capacity due to limited production of other calibers of the same size. The primers/powders is a different story however.
Always bet on 30 mauser/7.62 tokarev
It’s exactly the gun and cartridge I’ve wanted since I heard of .327. Like actually two I’d get tbh. Well, if I weren’t stuck in California.
What is old is new. Larger cartridges being re-adopted for the Army, smaller and faster pistol rounds gaining steam, there will always be a Renaissance every quarter century or so it seems.
Got to shift those units and get ready to re-fight the last war.
Gotta make sure the military doesn't *actually* get to standardize their equipment am I right?
@@williamchamberlain2263 i don't know why, but this made me laugh too hard.
That's why none of these fancy new cartridges impress me. We genuinely haven't seen anything too special in decades.
Let's see if the new cartridge goes anywhere now. The whole idea behind it was increased range AND armor penetration for defeating Russian body armor. Now that we KNOW that Russia doesn't even issue body armor, we don't need that new round as badly.
I'm also quite interested in how the 30 SC would do with a 8"-16" barrel on a PCC. Being that it's running a 50K PSI, I would think it might benefit a decent amount from the longer barrel.
As there was no mention of mussel velocity in this video, might to reach supersonic with that length barrel?
@@johndavidwolf4239 Most 9mm is supersonic in handguns. Although I don't have the numbers for .30 SC in front of me, I imagine a cartridge that runs (much) higher pressures with a lighter bullet would be supersonic when shot out of just about anything.
30 SC is running about 1200fps at the muzzle, with a 100gr bullet
.30 sc cz scorpion!
@@johndavidwolf4239
"Mussel velocity"? How fast certain bivalve molluscs move?
(Sorry . . I couldn't resist!)
Stronger metals, cartridge cases, and breach locking designs could allow for a super high pressure 25 "ACP" using longer heavy bullets. You could have a 25 round Shield.
At that point you might as well use bottlenecked ammunition in order to send that pill really fast. And use pointy bullets. And may even use a rebated rim and perfectly straight case walls so you can stick 50 of them in a top-mounted magazine that sits flush, ideal for a bullpup personal self defense weapon.
Hey wait a minute…
At that point it’s basically 5.7
Mmmmm. 22 mag?
@@jeffpinkava9634 With a short barrel the muzzle flash will scare them away.
Many years ago High Standard made a "women's self defense pistol", a snub nosed 9-shot double-revolver in 22 mag. The problem (or advantage) was a 2 foot long muzzle flash.
@@classifiedad1 also sounds like the .25naa...always wanted one of those, sadly they quit making them.
I love that James let you use his SHOT Show footage and you gave him a shout out for his (honestly) solid review. Your industry feels like a big family
It’s crazy how things are so cyclical. It’s like our check out this new crazy thing and it was literally done 70 years ago. I mean 6.5 creedmoor look how amazing it is….. 6.5 Swede, 7mm-08, 25-06, 260 Remington ect.
.280 British in EMP-2?
270 Winchester
@@slick3129 exactly ect there’s probably ten more.
.300savage is .308win but whats more popular. (I know the semantics but they are pretty much identical in every major way)
264 win mag
I share Ian's affection for the 1935A handgun. Many/most Americans have never even heard of it. But it's a Charles Petter designed weapon. Petter was able to improve upon the Browning system in both accuracy and reliability. Another weapon which shares the Petter pedigree is the SIG P210, probably the most lusted-after military grade semiauto pistol in history. And the most beautiful. Probably the only 1930s-era military sidearm I'd use in original condition out of the box with no modifications for self defense and be perfectly confident doing it.
Ian, if you haven't done a video on Petter and his designs, you really should. Both his designs and he himself are quite interesting. In addition to being a gun designer on par with any of his peers at FN or Walther or any of the other European gun manufacturers, he was also a native Swiss who earned his French citizenship by serving in the French Foreign Legion (!) in WW1.
If you've already done a video on him, could somebody be so kind as to provide a link? I looked over the vast number of videos on your channel and didn't see one.
I am interested in the possibility of double feed magazines. They have been recognised as superior in long guns, but pistols seldom use them because of frame width. With 30 Super Carry it should be possible to have double feed without the frame getting too wide.
Interesting...
@@Followme556 5.7 is a toy round.
@@Hansengineering 5.7 has roughly the same muzzle energy as 9mm along with better ballistics...
@@Codmonster999 Less energy retained with range though. 5.7 should loose speed a lot faster than 9mm for every meter travelled.
@@MadnerKami Who cares? And I doubt that's even true since 5.7mm is a spitzer with a much higher BC than a 9mm parabellum projectile.
Ian, sorry I missed you at SHOT. My dad was a WWII vet and brought back a 7.65 French long pistol. I’m so glad you made this video.
What’s old is new again. This is like a straight-walled 7.62 Tokarev, which ironically was ditched by the Soviets for their 9mm Makarov.
Almost the same performance ... weakened versions ... both of them IMHO
Makarov🤮
But remember, the ONLY reason for the Makarov's existence is so that NATO allies couldn't use USSR ammo in NATO guns.
@@transtubular but like who still uses 7.62 anything Russian mm aside the Communist countries during that time? Genuine question.
@@transtubular no. You’d be wrong.
So for Ian, this is basically Christmas, his birthday, and Bastille Day all rolled into one? Merely mentioning 7.65 French Longue is enough to get his heart beating faster.
Hey Ferb, you still got that extended magazine you got for Bastille day?
@@zendell37 Justin Trudeau arrested everyone who thought about magazines.
Between the .30SC and the .327 Federal Magnum it looks like an effort to revive the early 20th century interest in .32 caliber firearms. Higher capacity in both revolver and semiautomatic, not a bad thing. And with terminal ballistics equivalent to 9mm/.357 cartridges. I personally hope it catches on.
I LOVE the .327 Fed, it's almost shameful that they're almost exclusively available in only carry type revolvers. I've built 2 from S&W models 10 and 67 so far, the 10 being a 6" bull barrel, the 67 is a sleeved stock barrel. Both Fantastic revolvers, both not available otherwise!!!
@@shovelwrench Nice
"If you say "32 calibre pistol" to someone in guns, they immediately think of that as, "Oh .32, .32 ACP, underpowered, wimpy." "I hear "32 calibre pistol" and I think "I want". I currently have 32 ACP, 32 S&W Long, and 32-20 WCF. Some day 32 H&R Magnum, 327 Federal Magnum, and of course 32 French Long. And I guess I now have to get 30 SC.
Ian: pcc more rounds same space!
Coacked out Kel-tec engineer: Challenge accepted!
I was never a fan of S&W semiautos until the M&P/Shield came along. They totally changed their game to compete with my beloved SIGs.
Finally, 7.65 French Long Two
Electric boogaloo
I hope other pistol makers like Glock, Sig, CZ, and FN get on board. I would love a lightweight appendix carry with 15+1.
I think a full size carry pistol in 30 Super would be cool. Something with at least a 4 to 5 inch barrel.
I appendix carry a Glock 43X with Shield Arms 15 round mag every day. I've put close to 3000 rds thru it now with no problems whatsoever. It's my Goldilocks gun for sure. That being said, I hope Glock makes a 43X in 30 Super Carry and ammo makers start producing cheap ball ammo for practice in it, at least as cheap as like 9mm Blazer Brass.
@@gregorylubbers8533 Glock will make a 30 super in 15 years after everyone else has, and then have way less rounds and they strut around like they did something, Perfection
Federal ammo 'experts' didn't know the .32 French 'Longue'? Pitiful!
Or even the 1918 .30 Pedersen????!!!
They were trying to engineer a solution to increase capacity, not playing historian.
They knew, they just do not want to acknowledge pre existing concept.
The sales goons probably can't get much past figuring out which end of the gun to hold. I would bet the ammo designers knew even more about .32 French Longue than Ian.
@@ostiariusalpha
The problem is that if you are unaware of previous developments, then they could've easily ended up with a situation where their round actually WOULD chamber in a French longue, and they would've got sued when someone blew their hand off.
With the new Shield rebates where you can potentially get a 30 Super Carry Shield for $250 I decided to do research on this round and came across your channel.
Wow, congrats. Your videos are very educational and informative, keep it up. New subscriber. 👍 👌
4:55
US Ordnance working with NATO too adopt a new standard cartridge: “we will no accept anything that’s not a .30 caliber bullet .30 stronk”
Thanks! Now I have a good understanding of this new cartridge.
Who else thought immediately of Paul Harrell when Ian started mentioning someone needs to test the terminal effectiveness [on the intended target]?
Meat target !
His dogs eat well !
Meat target time
@@michaelmoorrees3585 dogs can get lead poisoning too, I'm not sure he feeds that to dogs
Taofledermaus needs to launch a Barbie off their ballistic gel block with one of these.
He has already done a video. He was not terribly impressed.
I had the same thought when I read about the 30 super carry, I love the 7.65 French long thanks to you, Ian...
Hi Ian, lemme tell you this, in Turkey the "French Ten Shooter" or "Fransız Onlusu" (cuz it takes 9+1) in 7.65mm was and still is a popular pistol. My father had one and he was a fan until he opted for an ankle holster size pistol. I think you can find many original and locally produced copy French pistols in Turkey. These pistols used to be standard issue for the police in Turkey half a century ago.
Hey! Just a question... what are personal gun rights like in Turkey?
@@DrewElGringasho We can have pistols, semi-auto and pump-action shotguns, bolt-action rifles. These require separate licences. Shotguns are the easiest and cheapest to licence since traditionally they are seen as hunting tools.
@@DrewElGringasho Anyone can get a license for a hunting shotgun. There are couple different licenses for pistols, license for owning a pistol and having at home or work place is rather easy to get but pistol carry license isn't obtainable for regular folk. (Jewelers, factory owners and large farm owners can get it) And you can't own rifles of any kind legally. (But there is a huge black market for illegal/handmade pistols and antique rifles)
@@josedorsaith5261 Inspecting the home? UK is weird man lol. In Turkey the requirements are simple, you need a clean background and you need to pass a mental and physical health examination, that is it.
@@Soykha You can own and use bolt-action rifles for hunting. Check out the channel Yivlici or something similar to that name, he explains how you get the licence for that. Albeit he complains about how unnecessarily strict the process is.
This 0.30 round will make a great Marlin, Winchester, Henry lever action rifle round. OR, maybe Ruger can make a 10/30 rifle with a rotary magazine like the 10/22.
I like the idea of a 10/30...
I could imagine Kel Tec making something interesting.
@@UncomplicatedFellow Nerf guns are more reliable
I wish there would be newer pistols in 7.62 Tokarev.
This..
Basically .357 sig but ammo is only half as hard to find as tokarev ammo.
This is why Ive been following this cartridge, it's basically the same sort of concept of the 7.62 tok
@@slimjim7411 i do love 357 sig. 7.62 tok is the reason i started reloading! haha havent even loaded one bullet yet.
@@loquat44-40 Tokarev is fine. Finger is of being safety, comrade.
17 rounds of very effective ammunition in a subcompact? This has to catch on. I’m gonna be so upset if this doesn’t catch on.
People are too poor for it to catch on, and gun bans are always on the table, so...
@@RavemastaJ 380 is somehow still alive (even though I personally like it, it’s shocking) so I don’t doubt it’s possible for this to catch on. It’s not like gun guys aren’t willing to dish out cash either. I’ve seen it plenty.
@@frost214ify I feel like .380 is going to drop in popularity due to all the ludicrously small, high capacity 9mms that have come out in the last few years. Concealability was the main advantage of .380, and now you can get a 9mm that's pretty much just as small. .380 is never going to completely go away, but I do feel like it's losing it's niche in the market.
30 SC could replace it as a 9mm alternative if it can just catch on. I hope it does.
@@nickaschenbecker9882 .380 does have a recoil advantage though. It's pretty much the lightest-kicking round that has proven solid performance for personal defense so it's great for tiny guns that would normally have harsh recoil. Also great for people with weak hands. Statistics have shown .380 is a very effective defensive cartridge.
@@samhouston1288 For me when come to the .380 I feel like in the future gun companies might not even bother to make new .380 platforms. The ammo maker might still make the 380 ammo but up to x amount per year, stop and make x amount the next year. One of my FFL said that when come to wildcat cartridges ammo manufacturers might only crank out x amount for the year, stop and crank out x amount the next year. I know that comparing .380 to wildcat cartridges is apple and oranges but for me I think .380 could be heading towards that way in the future.
Me, 10 years ago- "It's too bad they didn't come out with an auto-pistol version of .327 Federal Magnum. They could call it .327 Federal Auto Mag/Magnum."
I'd like to see what velocities you'd get with .30 Super Carry loaded with 85gr bullets out of a 4.5" or 5" barreled full-sized pistol.
Thanks Iam, this is the best video on the new 30 Super Carry and Shield Plus. Your display at 5:24 is the most brilliant way to explain the added capacity of the smaller diameter round versus 9mm.
Gotta admit, the 7.65 French Long was the first thing I thought of when I heard of the Super Carry. I figured, "Oh, Ian's going to be happy!"
This is my 7th video researching if I should go 9mm or 30 SC and wow, this is the best one by far. You did bring some very interesting perspectives! Thank you!
The hardcore high-volume shooters will most likely get the same gun in both calibers, and practice with the cheaper-to-shoot 9mm version while carrying the .30SC.
Absolutely, like how .45 GAP handguns flew off the shelves and how it's still so popular today.
@@matchesburn I could see a benefit if there was an easy conversion between the two. For example, I carry my Sig P320 in .357 Sig but practice at the range with .40S&W since all I need to change between the two calibers is a barrel swap.
Though I am skeptical of .30 SC elsewhere in that .357 Sig offers a great deal of energy if that’s important. Not as much as 10mm, but 10mm’s recoil can be a handful for a lot of people (it’s why .40S&W even exists) while .357 Sig matches .357 Magnum’s performance which is a well proven and popular police round for a long time. So .357 Sig still offers something compelling in terms of performance.
Meanwhile, .30 Super Carry seems to be about increasing capacity, but 5.7x28mm is gonna do that even better while also having less recoil and lighter weight. And while 5.7 is very expensive compared to 9mm, .30SC is a new, proprietary cartridge so the price gap wouldn’t be as significant.
Everyone hates it but hey… I like it a lot. Got to the range with my shield plus 30SC today and had a blast. Great cartridge
Oh lord... My Turkish HP copy - since FN never made a sub compact one - has been with me since 2015, and the only benefit was a shorter slide on full frame lower. But this tempts me like slick devil!
I had no idea those existed, I've always wanted a 3.5 inch barreled high power.
@@justindunlap1235 I think C&S still offers their custom one, or as part kit plus shortened spring! That part took me months to find when I decided to source the Turkish dooda. Worked just fine despite the 92-ish weight.
Otherwise, feel like the new FN made HP could have been offered in sub compact by now.
Interesting thought about .30 Super Carry making it into competitions where usually 9x19 is regarded as the minimum... I don't know. There may be a mixture of love for the 9x19 as well as not wanting to compete against a cartridge that SEEMS to be virtually every bit as effective or energy-dense as 9mm yet able to carry 20% more round. So rather than excluding Super Carry from competitions due to thinking it's insufficient or something, it would be more done to keep the rules as they are so that 9x19 shooters (which is, I presume, most shooters) aren't basically left at the disadvantage of having 1/5th less capacity than those using .30 Super Carry.
I'll also add that those who can afford it (and if the cartridge becomes successful it will over time become more affordable) could end up flocking to .30 Super Carry for the boost in ammo capacity with minimal-if-any difference in performance on paper or steel. 9mm, .40, and .45 ACP abandoned in droves as .30 Super Carry dominates.
At this early stage, OBVIOUSLY these are wild concepts from quite an active 'what-if' imagination, but those ideas seem reasonable and logical to me. At least from the little that I know of competition shooting, which is SERIOUSLY very little beyond what I've seen with Forgotten Weapons, my blabbering of the hypothetical doesn't have anything on the face of it that seems outrageous. Well, maybe competition shooters find it to be a petty thought that the organization would exclude .30 Super Carry due to defensiveness over 9x19 being something of the top-dog when it comes to capacity and impact. Seems reasonable to exclude a 5.7x28 pistol like that Kel-Tec one that uses 50-round FN P90 mags. Firstly, the ammo could potentially damage steel targets, no? If not with plain ball ammo, if it's the armor-piercing stuff then wouldn't that cause damage? And also I imagine it doesn't impart all that much energy to steel targets. A lot of plinking with not a whole lot happening.
Anyhow I'm being HIGHLY speculative and may be saying things that make little-to-no sense for people who know more than me so I'll stop now lol Also, VERY cool that 7.65 French can allegedly function in the .30 Super Carry Hi Point Carbine!
1. I agree. I can't tell the difference in recoil between 30 SC and 9 mm.
2. Ammunition/magazine load out:
A. I've NEVER heard anyone complain of having Ammunition left over after a gun fight.
B. The most likely failure point of an autoloader is the magazine, thus number of rounds is not the only factor.
Ian, as always, excellent video. I specifically applaud your under shooter shot at the end with the brass flying through the blue sky, Beautiful. Nicely done. I for one hope to see more shots shot like that from the community at large. Keep up the great work. And thanks for all the great content over the years.
I think the benefit of .30 SC is more in the larger firearms, as you alluded to. While it's nice getting two more rounds in a micro compact, I think diminishing returns start kicking in after 10 rounds. However, fitting 5 extra in a duty sidearm or 10+ extra in a carbine is quite substantial. Imagine 20+ rounds in something like a G17 or P320 with a flush magazine.
@@Valorius Not at all. Think of the most common uses for particular pistol types and where the increased capacity will have the greatest impact. This might be a long response.
TLDR, extra rounds only matter if you can actually fire them. The type of situation where I will fire 17 rounds from a concealed pistol, legally, and still survive ( and where only 14 rounds would be insufficient ) is so astronomically unlikely it's not something I worry about. However, people that use full-size pistols and sub guns ( soldiers, LEOs, perhaps competitive shooters ) will see a bigger benefit when their standard loadout is increased by 20% ( ~10 extra rounds for pistol, 50 or more extra rounds for PCCs and sub guns ).
In more detail, micro doublestacks, like the P365, are almost exclusively for civilian conceal carry. The vast majority of civilian defensive shootings, especially outside the home, are 3-4 rounds fired. Very few go over six rounds, and most cases involving more than six rounds fired are legally dubious ( the 7th, 8th, 9th rounds were fired after fleeing individuals, etc ). So where do you start hitting diminishing returns where the ammo capacity is largely superfluous? Or worse, do the tradeoffs for that extra ammo capacity in a concealed pistol become burdensome?
In the event you'd need to use a CCW in a defensive situation, the normal 6+1 capacity of the G43 would more than likely be more than sufficient. Really, even if you missed a few shots ( and I don't want to go down the marksmanship rabbit hole as I'm a firm believer in the "you can't miss fast enough" philosophy ), seven rounds should still be just enough for almost any situation you'd use a concealed pistol for. Understandably, people usually want "more." The original Shield had 7+1, or 8+1 with extended mags. The trade-off for the extra rounds was miniscule extra length in the grip. Practically, you were getting extra rounds for nothing. Enter the P365. Now you're talking 10+1 rounds in practically the exact same size of pistol, so again, no real trade-off for the increased capacity.
These days, yes, you can get 12+1, 13+1, and 15+1, but it's no longer a "free" upgrade. The P365X, G43X, and various extended magazines add not insignificant length to the grip. The longer grip improves shootability and recoil control, but also increases risk of printing when carrying, so pick your poison. Opting for .30 SC in these pistols means extra ammo capacity at the literal cost of significantly more expensive ammo ( the difference in terminal performance is insignificant to me ). As a wise man says, "Is there a difference, and if so, is the difference enough to actually make a difference?"
At the core is the question, "What situations/scenarios could I solve and survive with 17 ( or 14 ) rounds, but not with only 14 ( or 11 ) rounds?" Someone might dream up an incredibly unlikely event they get waylaid by 10+ assailants. With so many attackers, would you even survive to get to those extra rounds? You might get three of them before any respond, four if you're really fast, but if any of the remainder have firearms you'll be taking fire almost immediately and your survival rate goes to near zero. If none of them had firearms to begin with ( or only the ones you shot first did ), odds are the other goons will turn and run after seeing you shoot a couple of their buddies. If you're talking multiple invaders in your house, then weapon concealment doesn't matter. When it's on your bedside table, use an extended mag.
In short, it's already ( thankfully ) unlikely I'll need to pull my weapon on someone else. In that unlikely event, it's even more unlikely I'll go past seven rounds. Going past 12 rounds is a fraction of a fraction of a percentage, and not one I care to worry about. IMNSHO, diminishing returns start around the 10-round mark ( at least with current technology ). Going above that for an extended grip that lets you shoot better is a perfectly sound choice. Choosing to pay 50% more for ammo so you can prepare for that 0.0001% situation is not a wise compromise in my eyes.
Thanks, that is the best videos of this cartridge that I have seen yet.
I like the concept. I carry a M57 in 7.62x25 for the velocity and its known for punching through armor.
Great video. You are one of the smarter presenters on all of UA-cam! People who think you have to shoot all the time to stay proficient are full of bovine scatology! I'm a retired Army Ranger and almost never train, but every time I go to the range I do better than everyone there, so it's more about the training you've had and muscle memory and reflex action than just constantly training!
Thanks for a great presentation. For me, I’d like to see the smallest most concealable version even if it is a single stack. I.E., I carry a Seecamp .32 which surely falls into the category of “underpowered” by tacticool standards. This is a tiny pistol, and only has a 2” barrel, and requires modification for more than a 1 finger grip. I carry this because I carry always- including at work with a hands-on job in construction. I disagree with the underpowered definition of .32 for the same reason the FBI switched back to 9mm. I tested my Seecamp with Underwood Lehigh extreme cavitor, and extreme penetrator in +P and std. In both cases, the ammunition exceeded factory claims producing 1050 fps std, and 1150 fps +p- with a 55 gr projectile. For self defense, this is acceptable when aimed at the proper targets. A 30SC single stack small enough to be a pocket cannon would be right up my alley. Hopefully Lehigh will produce some 30SC specific bullets- like their maximum expansion design. The sub-compact self defense segment is certainly getting interesting!!!
Thanks for the encouragement, Ian...I've been curious about the new cartridge, but never really heard nor saw any sort of in-depth presentation about it until now. Look like I'll be going shopping for the .30SC version of the M&P to go with my current 9x19 variant.
Been saying for years that 7.65 Parabellum needs to be revived in the US.
I have been a collector since the 1980's and I am well aware of the 7.65 French Long and thought the same when I heard about .30 super carry. Thanks Ian!
Id love to see a Ruger PC carbine in this. Also just for giggles something like a Hi Power for those of us who need metal frame pistols in our lives
um....why not just got a .30 Carbine?
A HiPower with a 20 round flush fit magazine.
@@jayjablunov4697 price a 30 carbine lately? Also the M1 Carbine can be spotty in reliability. Good magazines for the Carbine being an issue
@@ftdefiance1 they were $400+ 30 years ago when I bought mine. Wish I still had it.
@@ftdefiance1 I haven't priced M1Carbines lately. I was smart enough to buy mine years ago.
Hello Ian,
Thanks for your amazing review. I appreciate the history on the French Long as well as the warm enthusiasm for the 30 super carry.
Safe shooting and many blessings.
I think 7.62 tokarev with modern a loading would make a badass Pdw round
Czk ammo was hot allready.
Say in 90gr hollow point....
People just missing the potential of 30 super carry.... every single pocket pistol that was once chambered in 25acp or 32acp... can now be an effective platform in 30 super carry. The Colt 1908.... a beautiful shirt pocket pistol can now have some umph .
Imagine a Mac10 or something very high rate of fire with that ammo. Something more controllable would result in a mini-LMG
Which is another revival of an old idea. The vz 61 was a full auto .32 acp machine pistol designed specifically for controllability
That's the first question that popped in my head - Has he talked to Lage about this?
@@nickaschenbecker9882 fair point. It's still significantly more power than 32
@@frugalsoul9984Yes VZ61, with a drum magazine, extended barrel, and folding stock
Ian I'm so glad you picked up on the correlation between the two cartridges, I recently had my hands on a well worn French semi automatic in the French cartridge. I have always wanted one but it was not in good shape and restoring it would cost more than it was worth. I have seen the Night Hawk 1911 custom they make in 30 super carry. They are nice guns but not at$4000.00 a piece.
My girlfriend will be 21 soon and this looks like a great cartridge for her. She likes my p365xl but she’ll probably get the regular 365 or maybe a S&W shield. We’ll be borrowing a few more different ones from friends and hitting the range soon so she can find what she likes best but this cartridge seems great for someone with less size to carry.
Honestly you should check out the P365 in .380. Same magazine size with a lot less snap, and it can use the 9mm mags at the range for plinking. Also if you want to scale up to nine, just buy a 9mm upper and 9mm magazines and your golden.
@@billdauterive1180 yeah I’ve thought of that but after she shot my nine she showed no problem with it. I’ll definitely borrow our friends 380 for her to try next time we go though. She’s just a skinny little thing so concealing anything is more of a challenge then her being confident with shooting it. Thanks man!
Good for you. That is the best way to do it. Try out many different types so she can get a feel for what is comfortable for her and not you. To many people came into the store I worked at and wanted brand x gun because some friend told them they would like it. They usually left with something else because we had them go through the motions with a bunch of different types.
I would also like to see a P365x/xl in .30SC. If they can already fit 12 rounds of 9mm, they should be able to get maybe 15 rounds of .30 in a flush fit mag.
@@GhostFoxvonBohmen Man an XL in that caliber could have some SERIOUS potential, and since the OAL of the cartridge is similar to 9mm you could use mag guts +2 springs and get even more capacity.
You have taught me so much over the last 2 years. Thank you. Guns are complicated engineering on a level to a Swiss watch. It has stretched my brain and given me much knowledge. Thank you for your content. I hope to buy a Lee Enfield SMLE no.4 in the uk for the range one day. Not easy paperwork but workable x
I’m wondering what kind of velocity this would achieve out of like an 8” barrel in a pcc. I know it’s got a fast powder for running in small hand guns but I bet you would get more still out of a couple more inches. That, coupled with it being a slimmer bullet profile may help it retain energy over slightly longer ranges when compared to 9mm.
This has great potential for carbines. I would expect it to reach good numbers with hogh energy slow burning powder and a 16" barrel.
Kinda amazing how this is the first time i've heard about .30 Super Carry having an advantage with magazine capacity. I EDC a subcompact 380 auto with a spare mag. If i can get 12 rounds in one pistol near the same size i would use a .30 Super Carry pistol.
When the 30 Super Carry came out a friend gave me three boxes of ammo. I asked around to friends if anyone could use them and nothing back. So, I just sat on them. Fast forward to this weekend. Palmetto State Armory selling a S&W at half price. LOL! First time I bought a gun to fit the ammo I just happened to have. :) As always, I love and appreciatte your knowledge and videos!
Ian, exciting to see a "Forgotten" round become the new hotness. Any chance on a series on other forgotten firearms ideas/weapons that may actually be a innovative answer to a current need?
Give it 10 years, I'm sure it would be forgotten again.
"New hotness"? I haven't heard anyone actually say that since Men In Black 2.
6mm is currently making a bit of a comeback with the idea of a universal cartridge. The Italians and others used 6.5 back in ww1 and ww2 for just that purpose. Not Ian, but thought it would be worth sharing.
I would sacrifice my firstborn if I knew it'd guarantee a successor for the Burgess Folding Shotgun.
Personally, I'd like to see new firearms chambered in .30 Carbine. It hits a sweet spot between pistol rounds and rifle rounds. There really aren't any other calibers I know of that fit in that niche. It's an intermediate intermediate round. I would love a PCC form factor carbine in .30 Carbine, with modern magazines. Magazine reliability was really the main drawback of the M1 Carbine, which I am a big fan of.
I've shot the 7.5 Bruno and that thing was amazing.
I’ll wait until they develop the .30 Superduper Carry or .30 Ultra Carry
7.65 Porter Génial.
@@ForgottenWeapons dammit, I got ratioed by OP
I just got finished test-firing a 1935A that had a barrel re-chambered for 30SC (involved cutting the chamber just a little deeper - rounds fit perfectly into the magazine). Post test, all of the brass looks good, no signs of over-pressure (though some of the brass was found 25 feet behind my right shoulder). I was not shooting on paper, so I cannot comment on accuracy, though I was aiming at a55 gallon drum 100 yards away, and was hitting it as many times as I was missing it. Both barrel and slide locking lugs were examined closely, no signs of cracking (25 rounds fired), and no signs of peening. The barrel's external dimensions were measured and compared to the original barrel's (I procured an extra barrel for this test), all dimensions were identical, no signs of the barrel expanding. A new Wolf recoil spring was installed for this test, there were no malfunctions, and only one failure to feed when a round hung up on the bottom of the barrel's feed ramp. Overall the weapon appeared to handle the higher-powered round well, though with this round it bites the web of my hand worse than any Walther PP-family handgun ever has. I'm considering the test successful, though I really don't want to shoot this gun very much with this round (I used CCI Blazer 115 grain ammo for this test).
17 rounds in a subcompact? With a round that actually has some energy on target? I'm going to have to read up more on .30 Super Carry. This interests me greatly!
Wait til you hear about 5.7x28mm!
Oh, wait, no one makes a sub-compact in 5.7 for some reason. Never mind!
@@Bacteriophagebs
Those are some long-ass rounds
@@Bacteriophagebs Really designed for a certain barrel length, and feed cycle. It'd be interesting, but I don't know if it would be actually viable.
@@ryanj610 You could say that about pretty much any cartridge used in a sub-compact.
@@Bacteriophagebs Aye, but if you're getting half the velocity out of the round whose only real benefit is velocity, you're getting 22lr energy and a gigantic fireball. I'm a fan of all things 5.7 (I own one), but even the regular pistol is already compromising it's performance by ~200fps. Another 2 inches is going to take significantly more than that, and the gun would still necessitate being rather large.
Seems nice. Those of us who live in jurisdictions with 10 round limits might prefer to use .40, 10 mm or .45 ACP. Though 10 rounds of .30 Super Carry might enable a really _small_ CC weapon.
I really want to see Hornady make a .30 super carry, to see how well the .30 SC does in general with barrier penetration.
There are many .40 to 9mm conversion barrels (Storm Lake, Lone Wolf, etc). A 9mm to .30SC conversion barrel and matching .30SC mag would give new life to the millions of single stacks (e.g. Gen 1 & 2 Shields) for under $200 (based on cost of current conversion barrels with mag).
But the case head diameter difference 40-9 is not as drastic as 9-30.
@@509Gman .40 to 9 (.356) is .044……9 (.356) to 30SC (.317) is .039. There may be issues with this idea but the potential market (literally millions of Gen 1 & 2 Shields alone) is worth manufacturers looking into it.
As a competition shooter, I'm also interested to see if they'll let this cartridge be used for pistols. As you've demonstrated here, the only thing you need power for in competition is effect on moving steel targets (especially Spinners) and the increased capacity would be a boon as well, especially in divisions that restrict the magazine length, not capacity.
"Thanks for tuning in"... showing your age there. I haven't tuned into a show since 1984 when I had to mess with the rabbit ears on the TV.
The cartridge should have been called 32 Super Auto (for marketing purpose) and it should have been loaded to energy levels just above 380ACP, ~ 250 ft-lbs (similar to standard pressure 38 Special). A lot of people would have liked an new "old school" 32 pocket pistol with 38 Special power. Competing with 9mm Luger was a mistake, especially with the new high capacity compact models like the Hellcat/LCPMax/P365. Federal made the same mistake with "327 Federal" competing with 357 Magnum. Also, 30 Super won't be successful unless they design pistols around the cartridge; rather than simply converting existing 9mm Luger pistols.
In a world where Fuds still run the gun stores and it's "45 or bust" 32 anything would be a marketing disaster outside of a "ladies pistol".
If it's the same performance and they make enough of it cheap enough, and get some police departments to adopt it it'll compete. It's a steep hill to climb, but they could do it if they really wanted...
I’m hoping for a very thin single stack like a Kahr in this caliber.
I feel pretty good knowing I came to the exact same conclusion myself regarding the cartridge naming. I happen to be a fan of .32 ACP and have 5 pistols in that chambering, but recognize it is a very often maligned cartridge. Too many people think of old top break or pocket revolvers is 32 S&W or other similar blackpowder loadings.
When it comes to adding a stock to a pistol and turning it into effectively a pocketable SMG, I think 5.7x28 is more compelling. Velocity, penetration, and even *greater* capacity, with lower recoil.
And a much smaller bullet with worse wounding ability
Good for an armored opponent but not for self defense use
@@Scrap_Goblin "worse wounding ability"? What does that even mean? 😆
@@Centermass762
It means you are ice-picking someone to death vs. large holes that drop blood pressure. People can get stabbed a horrifying number of times before going down. Someone tanking more than five 9mm/.45acp is largely unheard of outside of people on drugs. I haven't seen much data for 5.7x28, but I would like to see if a semi-automatic chambered in that cartridge actually stopped someone, or if the person getting shot simply surrendered at some point in the engagement.
@@RavemastaJ you seem to be completely unfamiliar with the term "hydrostatic shock."
You also seem to be completely unfamiliar with the Fort Hood shooting. 😉
I'm just super, super happy it's the same diameter projectile as .32 ACP. I'm really looking forward to seeing .32 ACP projectiles loaded in .30 SC for some really speedy loads.
I really hope the round takes off.
In full sized guns with a decent barrel length and magazine size, this thing is going to give some huge advantages.
James Reeves recommended your channel for your review of this cartridge. I had not been a subscriber, but I am now. Nice job.
Thanks for the sub!
Lovely 35A! I've a 35S. Can confirm that the 50's ammo is mostly (95%) useless.
I've got that Swampfox sentinel on my Springfield Hellcat and it's solid
Our boy finally found it
Thanks for covering this new cartridge Ian. In addition to all the reasons you listed, the ability to have an extremely thin pistol (something like a Kahr) for concealment and a good level of power is very useful for people who need to be extremely well concealed.
I’d be very interested in seeing how this performs with longer barrels. Could potentially be a serious duty cartridge as well.
I'd like to see a sub compact 5.7 x28mm that holds like 14 or 15 rounds. I'd also like to see a 6 or 8 shot 5.7 snub nose
I'm actually curious to see how it would do out of a PCC with a slower powder. It could get close to 30 carbine performance.......
There is one really cool PDW chambered in an anemic cartridge currently that would greatly benefit from this for the civilian market, without sacrificing mag capacity.
It would be a game-changer for catching on, but the maker of that PDW would frown on it.
I'm just excited by the notion of a 30 caliber PCC with good magazines lol
Yours in the first video I've seen that actually makes me take 30 Super Carry seriously as a carry option. Thanks for the excellent review.
When this round was announced, I said to a friend, Ian just got his wish. I recalled you saying you wanted a 365 in .32 French on Handgun Radio. The big question, will Glock and Sig chamber this round?
I wish I could convert my CSX to .30sc but I also don’t like the ammo cost for .30… it’s a wonderful idea but until other ammo makers get on board, it’s going to be very pricy
@@calebnation6155 Hornaday is now on board. I wouldn't expect a miraculous drop in cost anytime soon, but .30SC is definitely showing some staying power.
Thank u Ian!!!! I wasn’t sure what to compare this cartridge to
I would love to see where this cartridge goes in a law enforcement context i think law enforcement will be slow to move on this cartridge but I think the appeal of having potentially the same amount of ammunition in their backup gun as their duty will bring some into carrying this cartridge as a backup but I’d love to see a duty size 30 super carry I mean we are talking about 20-21 rounds flush fit into a glock 17 size platform like the fn 5.7 except this looks like it would have better ballistics when it comes to unarmored opponents then the 5.7
Up skirt camera angle understood now, after bouncing over to TFB's video.
Well done !!!
I am sure that .30 Super Carry will become a global success, comparable to 9.3 × 64mm Brenneke!
Really nice that Ian is interested and has been doing a lot of content about French guns
You should always carry a spare magazine. It’s the single most common failure point for a semi-auto firearm. You carry it for failures not extra ammo in normal situations.
Yup. Besides mag failures it's easy to accidentally dump your mag out while under stress. Faster to grab your spare mag than go looking under the car where your old mag bounced.
I love it when people lecture one of the world’s best firearms historians who also happens to be an engineer on how to gun.
@@burleydad I love it when people assume that because someone is an expert in their field they cannot be wrong or that someone cannot have a contrary opinion. Plus I'd bet money that you don't always agree with the experts.
@@DK-gy7ll I know several guys who have shaved the mag catch flush on their carry guns. You can still pop the magazine out if you really push your thumb meat in there.
Mags don't just fail, it's almost exclusively a user induced malfunction.
Very well articulated view points. This guy knows his stuff; PhD level work.
7.62x25mm Tokarev cartridge has a reputation for over penetration. So, how does the 30Super Carry compare ?
THIS ! We need answer immediately
Penetration depends entirely on bullet design and construction. 30 Super penetration can be mitigated by using hollowpoints and frangible bullet materials.
30 super carry is a substantially less powerful round than 7.62x25. The numbers floating around the internet are around 350 ft/lbs for 30 and the 7.62 has loads over 600 ft/lbs
Has ian have done a video for this issue? I have seen partly some videos that covered this topic, but i want to see out of ian's pow.
Out of all the jello tests I've seen floating around the web, only FMJ or cheap JHP will penetrate more than what's typical for defensive loads in 7.62x25mm.
Seems to come down to bullet construction, as with many other calibers.
We always enjoy your videos to be fair. Thankyou as always for the honest and informative content sir....