KOTOR: Flurry vs Power Attack - A Mathematical Analysis
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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Today we answer the age old question, flurry versus power attack, is one definitively better?
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An intelligent man: “here’s a mathematical breakdown of power attack vs flurry”
Me, a simple man: “flurry, because it looks cool.”
At the end of the day, does it matter if you're kicking ass if you don't look good while doing it? Flurry it all the way if you like how it looks! :)
@@GamingYourOwnWay The longer it takes to destroy your enemies, the longer you get to watch them suffer. **dark side points earned**
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From the little of us still playing it or playing it for the first time(me) your videos are the most detailed and well produced I have seen on this platform. Never hoped someone could give enough damn but during my playthrough when I be like "Ahh, that's what lonegunmen meant", it does put a smile on my face. Please keep it up ❤️
P.S. A detailed guide on Feats(Does it hit? Is it good?) would be awesome.
Awesome, I'm so glad that you find them helpful! :) And I'll look into that, I'll see what I can come up with!
I just think Flurry looks cooler lol. Sweet video, thanks 👍
I mean, you're not wrong. I now see a problem with my formula, didn't include a coolness factor....
Power Attack looks cool, but only for Zaalbar. (He doesn’t jump into the air and spin). But Zaalbar is more fun with Critical Strike (after leaving Taris) because of his massive strength.
If Master Vandar (the Yoda sized Jedi Master on Dantooine) was in a fight, Power Attack would look very cool for him. Better than attacking Malak’s ankles, lol.
Yeah I have to agree up until now that I’m a streamer and want to play this technically for fun I always use flurry 🤣. Love the videos though
*holding flurrito in palm* "I just think it's neat."
Interesting, I know for sure that the basic attack is actually better than the level 1/2 versions of Flurry because the penalties are too severe
100% agree
what do penalties mean? Dos it mean how high of a chance you have of landing your hit?
@@GamingYourOwnWay is that what it means?
If you look at flurry it gives you -3 defense for a time after the attack.
High levels of strength can make double-bladed sabers with master flurry (with master speed active) overtake master power attack (with master speed active). I can't think of a scenario where a fully levelled saber combatant wouldn't have master speed active all of the time.
I always use Master Speed and Master Flurry. It wrecks.
Actually, it is written in descriptions of this skills, which one to use, depending on a situation. One is for quicker fights with easy opponent. So your character deals one power atack and goes to the next target.
Flurry is made for another situations. Its animation is longer. But it gives an additional chance to strike, so it helps in longer fights to deal more DPS and pressure an opponent.
Great video and it is good to still see KOTOR videos active and at the same time I have not seen a discussion on this particular mechanics. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Dude I was looking for this stuff this time last year! Thank you so much for this content!
Power Attack? Flurry? Nay, equip two Blast Pistols and Force Speed + Rapid Shot!
If you make your light sabers right I feel that especially in kotor 2 if you max out flurry you tend to have a higher chance to get some of the effects such as stun or massive criticals so in face sion or treya I found it was more efficient
I haven't played the game since I was little but just recently got back into the game loving the videos thanks man they're tons of help :D
Glad to hear it!
Both have their purpose and uses, flurry is almost useless in the beginning game though. Not only does flurry has a huge debuff to your defense at the first tier (-4 in both games) the negative to hit is also pretty bad (also -4), whereas with power attack it's a straight -3 for all three tiers. However, master flurry is really good, in the first game it's a -1 to both defense and attack and no negative in 2, just an extra attack. If you want to go flurry, never use the first tier of flurry always go normal attack (or power attack if playing kotor2). I've found that I miss most attacks with first tier of flurry but, if you have a 4 or higher to hit bonus at the start, PA is almost always better early game. T2 or 3 flurry will be good when you get them. (also flurry animation is better than power attack) Also also... once you get to end game the -3 to hit is pretty negligible (even after Tarris/Telos it's pretty negligible).
TL;DR: flurry sucks early game, power attack doesn't, after first planet the negatives don't really effect combat much.
Impressive way of showing most if not all the variables involved with each attack feat. Each one has their own merit. I guess it comes down to how you're building your characters.
I choose power attack due to DBZA. "We just need to hit them really, really hard".
As a general rule, I prefer Flurry. It feels less dependent on Master Speed always being up, which is a lvl 15 ability, and scaled very directly with your build and equipment. Seeing as a common lightsaber starts at 2d8 damage, that extra attack can get out of hand pretty quickly once you have Master Flurry for the minimal penalty. And the more you beef up your attacks, the better it is.
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MATH???
Sweet.
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When I was kid all used was power attack throughout both games. Never failed me.
I built a specialized Guardian, double saber build. Even on higher difficulty, with Master Speed and Master Flurry, I one shotted Malak repeatedly.
I think there is a straight forward answer. You said power attack is better early and that late game they are even so power attack is generally better.
My bad at math opinion is that flurry is best because it requires the least investment to get good. You'll do just as much damage only investing one point. Mastering it A) lowers it's penalties and B) looks pretty cool.
In KOTOR II, I always start with Flurry, then level up to Master Flurry with has no defense penalties. This is because early on, your character's defense is lower and I want to avoid penalties of any kind (be it attack modifiers, defense, etc...) for my character and companions. However, later in the game, I mix things up using Flurry and either Power Attack and/or Critical Strike. Normally, what I would do is have one character use Flurry, another use Power Attack/Critical Strike and another use any attack mode (with different lightsaber forms). By doing so, you have a versatile party capable of defeating enemies in different ways.
That being said, the combat animation for Flurry takes longer to complete, so using Power Attack or Critical Strike would be more efficient for eliminating weaker opponents in one hit.
I love guardian with master speed master valor and master flurry
Also duel weild light sabers
@@stevengrant4117 You spoke my language
It is unbelievably OP
Awesome video! Yeah, you gotta factor in the cool factor of what looks better, haha. :D
Bro.... you're right, I didn't consider that... but with respect to how many different variables does coolness change?! I never took PDE's D: haha glad you liked it man :)
@@GamingYourOwnWay Yeah, really good stuff. I watched all of your KotOR videos now. Really good information. subbed fo sho!
Sad critical attack noises.
Flurry with knight speed is savage if you can actually hit your opponent
Feats like flurry who add more attacks are less overall impactful the more attacks you already have. For exemple if you already have 1 attack, adding another is a +100% to the number of attacks. If you already have 2 and you add one it's +50 % and so on. So if you're using master speed and Juyo, power attack is actually stronger
Ahh yes maths, thats what I want in my video games, maths.
Also me
But what about Critical strike?
Brilliant video by the way!
If I remember correctly critical strike was worse than both of the other two in KOTOR 1 (I might be remembering incorrectly, I'd have to check). It may be worth investigating in KOTOR 2 though with the introduction of higher critical damage multipliers.
Critical Strike is fun, but unreliable. It can cause absolutely massive damage with the right rolls, but those rolls can be widely spaced out. It also reduces your armour class by 5, so the enemy will be hitting you more often.
Not recommended except for a Soldier Guardian with extremely high Strength and Constitution and maxed out Toughness (like Zaalbar).
@@timonsolus One other good thing I recently learned about critical strike, is there is no attack penalty. I hadn't realised that Flurry reduces attack as well as defence.
But I think I agree! The best thing about critical strike is it's chance to stun. So high strength is essential!
Power attack does flippy move. I like the flip.
I did leave out style points from my calculation, a big miss on my part!
Flurry wins for me cuz it comes packaged with Implant 1 with Scout, so it starts with a high amount of meta relevant feats - even left at rank 1 the penalties are easily compensated for with a proper build
I think you're a pretty chill guy, and I found many of the kotor vids interesting. Definitely gonna check out some other non kotor related vids. Really nice to give the spreadsheet. Hope you are well 🧡
Flurry is better for sneak attack damage, too. Scoundrels that stun lock targets should use flurry.
Power attack+ jedi speed is tooo goooood
for me, the combat its easy, só i like to mix the combat skills jutst for fun and combat stylish
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Thanks! :)
I seem to miss the power attack fairly often, I prefer flurry
we all know it’s all about that critical strike
Gotta love a good critical strike.
@@GamingYourOwnWay he dude I would really love your take on auto level up vs manual level up. Like I find myself almost never using the recommended feats skills or attributes
For me, it has only to do with chance to hit.
Ain't ya heard about the death from a thousand cuts?
Flurry is simply the most fun
So does Critical Hit suck?
It does not, it's just not as widely used, people usually argue about flurry vs power attack and I'd already done a lot of math on two attacks, I got tired lol
The most honest answer is, if you play guardian or Marauder in kotor 2, power attack is superior, not by much tho. Any other class with lower attack in melee you are far better with flurry. In Kotor 2 power attack is even better because it’s possible to invest more into critical range.
''My most honest opinion is'' ... there, I fixed it for you.
nice video!
Thanks!
I just like to go dual sabers, master speed and flurry man. Me attack many times haha
What about vs critical strike or does that attack not matter since it only makes it easier to land a critical threat not really boosting your dmg up front unlike the other two respectively
It's just not the one people usually debate over haha, it's absence from the video doesn't mean it's not worthwhile!
If you're running a Keen weapon with two-weapon fighting, then with Master TWF and two Keen melee weapons, each of your two attacks with MCS has a 50% chance (Threat Range: 11-20) of scoring a critical hit. Note that this is mostly just feasible in KOTOR 2 due to its upgrade mechanics being more robust than KOTOR 1.
It's less that Critical Strike isn't a viable alternative, it's just that it's a more specialized option than either Flurry or Power Attack, since you will *always* get the extra attack/bonus damage, which makes it more useful as an all-rounder for any kind of build.
Been playing since the original xbox version. Getting back into it. QUESTION: how do I view the combat log information?
While in game, open the menu, go to the messages tab (fourth from the right), then choose the "Show Feedback" option.
thx a million. I just wasn't seeing it. I've played through well over 10 times; Ive always seen the game as an efficiency challenge but never dove deep into that...
Got the easiest fight i ever had against malak just with crit strike, as a scoundrel guardian. And without the sneak extra damage since you're always in combat.
Force Speed must make any attack power great
I know that you posted this 4 months ago, but that part where you said sneak attack isn't applicable because you're always in combat... any attack that the defender can't respond to is a sneak attack. If you choke Malik, your attacks will be sneak attacks. Basically if a target is incapacitated, or fighting another target, you will get a sneak attack
@@ChristianEater91 from what i remember, since i played scoundrel guardian i didnt have much force powers on the offensive side, so no choke
@@tlotpwist3417 also attacking from behind a target is considered a sneak attack.
I always liked flurry simply because at master level it had only a -1 to hit, whereas power attack ALWAYS has the same -3 to hit regardless of level. That seems balanced to me.
That, and my greatest regret in college was choosing Linear Algebra for my math elective (required for my EE Major) instead of Prob & Stat or Complex Variables. I should probably see if I can audit a prob & stat course at a local CC. Not just for gaming, but it's highly useful.
You can’t ever know enough about vector spaces, don’t regret linear algebra! Stats is great for life though, I recommend you check out the book How Not to be Wrong by Jordan Ellenberg if you want a fun read about practical math 🙂
@@GamingYourOwnWay I'll have to do that. I don't like math for math's sake, but as a tool (which means I like to simplify simplify simplify, so I like algebra and know calculus in order to get to the algebra within a defined set of parameters), which is why I'm an electrical and systems engineer and not a mathematician 😛.
I’ve always seen flurry as the the reliable, when in doubt while power attack was useful if you have high strength or keen.
What about Critical Strike? Awesome vid btw :)
It's just not usually the one people argue about haha, critical strike is also hella good.
Flurry + Master Speed all the way.
I use critical strike....
Noice.
In KOTOR 1 Flurry is the best. But in KOTOR 2, after about level 9, there's a glitch and Flurry becomes crap, you just pivot on your hips swing one way then the other one time. After that you are better just trying for Critical Strike. I don't know why that happens all of a sudden in 2. But KOTOR 1, always go with Flurry. Zaalbar can take down the Rancors of the Forbidden Planet with a single Flurry. Note; I have Zaalbar at 30 strength using twin Bacca Blades! Zaalbar is a walking Vegematic!
Does flurry not give more chances for on hit effects like poison or stun?
Generally no. Flurry grants you an extra attack from which one of them could potenially be a critical hit. Critical Strike potentially stuns your enemy and Power Attack potentially knocks them back.
@@marklee1194 so again... if it grants you an extra attack wouldn't that mean another chance for on you effects? Or are they prevented from triggering?
@@nip3004 That depends on the equipment for you main character and companions as well as any Force powers and immunities.
Scratch what I said, no, it does not grant an extra chance for more effects, just validated in game. So if you have a weapon that has a chance to inflict stun, you get one chance regardless of if you use flurry or master speed, the extra attacks to not give extra attempts to inflict status effects.
Nice info man
Glad you liked it!
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