Odysseus meets Scylla and Charybdis
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- A clip from the 1997 TV movie. Starts with Penelope weaving her shroud. I actually like the changes made here- with making the crew meet Scylla in a confined cave and having them drop of into Charybdis over a waterfall. The original setting in the book is good as well.
The Odyssey is very important to me, because my dad used to read me a kids version with beautiful illustrations when I was young. I also frequently watched the 1997 movie. This month I read through the proper version of the Odyssey for the first time, and it made me want to go back and see if the TV movie I loved so much as a kid still holds up...
My consensus as an adult is that its still good but does have some flaws, the main one of course being the limited budget. However most of the cast is really good! Specifically, I really liked the portrayals of Odysseus, Athena and Eurymachus. Also the main theme is nice.
Christopher Lee is in this movie, and Eric Roberts, who plays Eurymachus, is the brother of Julia Roberts and the father of Emma Roberts
Saw this in school, I'm thinking the class was social studies or history. Actually brings home how terrifying the creatures would be. It's difficult to capture it in writing.
They showed this to me in my freshman English honors class for midterms while comparing O Brother Where Art Thou, and the actual written story
Def saw it in social studies in 8th grade
Indeed! Greek monsters were almost comically fearsome at times. The phrase "between a rock and a hard place" that we use today to denote a situation between an awful factor and something even worse is actually based on a much older phrase, "between Scylla and Charybdis." In the Odyssey, Odysseus was advised to stick closer to Scylla's side of the strait because Scylla usually only devoured 6 sailors at a time, whereas Charybdis would suck in and destroy entire ships. Even then though, Scylla sometimes decided to strike more than once. 😁 Truly a spine chilling scenario.
Scylla is supposed to be fast though. And she's a lady with dog like appendages at her feet. And Charybdis is a whirlpool, like the thing your toilet does when flushing.
same, I was totally hooked. I forgot how good this was
Can you imagine falling in the water right after Charybdis was done and submerged and seeing it right underneath you underwater as it slowly opens its mouth back up?
For me the scariest part about it... completely with you.
Edit:
Tbh, it wouldn't even need to open it's mouth again,
Knowing it's there beneath me alone would be enough to give me a mid-swim heart attack. I would die on the spot purely out of terror.
Pure nightmare fuel. The men didn’t deserve this.
The Charybdis encounter is what gave me thalassaphobia
You and me both
1)same 2) i have a sneaking suspicion that those of us with such fears were probably eaten by something bigger than us in a previous life and the experience has forever changed us 0_0...
**Snort** 'Food for thought' 🤣!
I bet
same 😢
@@SliceOfRandom take your meds
It's worthy to mention that those two monsters were located in the opposite shores in the narrow east exit between Sicily and the Italian peninsula.
Yes, because Circe warned Odysseus about them, and she told him that him that it was better to lose 6 men to Scylla than to lose everything to Charybdis and yet The Miniseries had Odysseus lose his crew to Charybdis in a Waterfall after coming out of Scylla's Lair in The Cave.
Они там не пошли , перед выходом в море Цирцея рассказала Одиссею, что на Итаку есть ещё один путь, через узкий и длинный пролив, на вопрос Одиссея , а кто нибудь проходил этим путем ? Цирцея ответила , что да . Этим путём провёл свой корабль Ясон , побывавший здесь за несколько лет до него . Этим ,, проливом ,, была река По .
If I remember right he is warned of the two and decides they will go closer to Scylla. They do and get attacked. Somehow after they escape and go some other places the gods push them back leaving them to pass the two monsters again. The second time they decide to go closer to whirlpool monster (won't try to spell it's name...) and I forget what happens but it's bad. The last of his crew eat the sun gods cattle and somehow it causes the last of his crew to die.
Pretty brutal way to go. Escape one monster and get devoured by the next. That's rough for Odysseus too witnessing the loss of his ship and crew after all they'd been through. And the only fault they made was sailing with a great man who was cursed to see those around him die.
They're biggest fault was all but 1 of them agreeing to betray Odysseus and open up his bag of wind
The men didn’t deserve that one bit.
The original/Greek version of the saying "stuck between a rock and a hard place" is "stuck between Scylla and Charybdis"
@@xXasiahkiinXx123 In the original they chose to sail past Scylla seeing her as the lesser of two evils. I don't think they ever encountered Charybdis. AFAIK some of the crew survived past this encounter but never made it back home.
@jherrenor yes indeed in the original Odyssey Odysseus lost 6 men because of Scylla and they didn't counter Charybdis. Later on Odysseus and his crew slaughtered and ate some cows that belonged to Helius the God of Sun and to punish them he destroyed Odysseus ship leaving him alone without a crew
The sentence "choose between Scylla and Charybdis" makes no sense if both are lined up challenges. 😢
Exactly, on the thin line in between, not sequentially!
Yeah, it's not accurate to the actual story -- the series just wanted to show off both monsters.
It does. It 's used to describe a dead end situation, where there is not really a choice. At least that's how we use it in Greece.
@@eltarlantezos I get that point. But as I understood it both choices mean death anyway although being two separate paths.
😒 like bruh
4:29 Odysseus: ROW FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!
Meanwhile, Scylla in the background:
Drown in your sorrow and fears!!
Choke on your blood and your tears!!
Bleed til you've run out of years!!
We must do what it takes to survive!!!
GIVE UP YOUR HONOR AND FAITH!!!!
LIVE UP YOUR LIFE AS A WRAITH!!!!
DIE IN THE BLOOD WHERE YOU BATHE!!!!
WE MUST DO WHAT IT TAKES TO SURVIVE!!!!!!
This here ain't Epic: The Musical.
@@Scar-Predator I know. I was hoping someone would catch my reference XD
@@MegaBeast6854 bruh. This Ody ain't Mr Jalapeño tho.
@@Scar-Predator lol
I was only making a reference. Don't judge me.
@@MegaBeast6854 I'll judge you all I want lol
The dude getting snatched by Scylla and his screams getting higher is terrifying ☠️
Shit gave me nightmares
The fact that none of this would have happened if the WIND JAR OR WTV WAS KEPT SHUT😭
My boy with the sword "COME ON, TRY ME"!!!!..... gotta admire his "bring it on" bravado up until one of the monsters "tried him" and came down, snatched his ass up and ate him .....🤣🤣🤣
I mean...what did he *THINK* was gonna happen? 🤷
🐉chomp!!
@@opo3628 Probably thought he had time to get one swing in. Sadly not!
I think the entire crew should have crouched low on the deck. with spears pointed up like spikes on a sea urchin.
@@stephenballard3759 that probably could've worked
Charybdis was originally depicted as a giant whirlpool, and so the decision to make it an actual massive sea monster in the movie makes it so much more terrifying. It really makes me wonder what it looks like under the ocean surface...
Charybdis was always depicted as monster . Whirlpool was caused by her sucking the water
This was pretty brutal for a Hallmark series!
It aired on NBC
@@Beavis-ej3ny it was produced by Hallmark. They produced a lot of miniseries during the 90s. My favorite was ‘Merlin’.
Man, Hallmark needs to make more fantasy stories like these again.
Anyone here waiting for the Epic; Thunder Saga to drop? Cant wait!
YES!!! Watched this before it dropped to prepare myself for what was to come… I was not prepared…
@@josephlaeng394 I like that you can hear six screams in the song
It adds a layer of fear to it
@@jessieh0928 Ikr, love it!
😢😢😢😢😢 thunder bringer
@@jessieh0928The lair of Scylla…
That's scary to encounter both of them at the same time
Imagine if they were able to drive Scylla toward Charybdis to make them fight or just kill one or the other
It's sad knowing the story of 2 women who turned into hideous sea monsters
I think we can all agree that Polite's dive was the smoothest. Straight into the mouth. 10/10
Odysseus makes the most manliest scream ever as he falls and I'm here for it
Hahaha true!
iM hErE fOr iT
ROW FOR YOUR LIIIVEEES
Scylla is supposed to be fast though. And she's a lady with dog like appendages at her feet. And Charybdis is a whirlpool, like the thing your toilet does when flushing.
I caught some of this show as a little kid and this sequence and the one with the cyclops were nightmare fuel
Kind of creepy when you've been on a ship that sales to where this took place in the book.
Holy shit lol 5:22
Good catch lol
Hold to the ship
I was lookin for this clip for years. I saw this when i was like ten and never found the scene again. Today a journey ends.
Why choose between Scylla or Charybdis, when you can deal with both of them at the same time?!
"Row stay to the side
Row for your Liiiiive!!!"
Ancient Greek monsters are the best. Scylla was generally depicted in 2 ways. In Homer's description, she was a mass of flesh on a rock, bearing 4 eyes and having 6 heads with nothing on them but gaping mouths, each full of 3 rows of razor sharp teeth. 😅 She would typically only eat 6 sailors who passed by, one for each head, but would occasionally strike more than once. In the second depiction from ancient pottery and the like, she was a beautiful woman from the waist up, but had writhing serpentine tentacles growing from her waist, along with the heads of 3 vicious dogs. 😅 I always thought it was strange to have dog heads on a sea monster. Sharks or something would have been more fitting. Still cool though.
the version with the dog heads around her waist is a refrensce to her name "scylla" meaning female dog in greek but its mostly used to describe a vile/terrible woman , basicly calling them a bitch but in greek XD
The dogs are most likely added in because something sounded like "barking" as sailors lose their lives to this incident.
In The Wild Hunt, Norse believed in an otherworldly party abducting people through a snow storm sometimes with the announcement of hounds and lightning. So when the Greeks made Scylla part dog, they probably mistake the sound of thunder for barking.
Too bad they exclude the Sirens and the Helios island as part of the obstacles. The sirens part is one most iconic in the story and the Helios Island helps to showcase the religious/mythological aspect of the poem: Much like the wind bag, Helios Island is another challenge Odysseus failed because of the crew actions (in this case they ate animals that belonged to the god Helios), resulting in the gods killing them and destroying their ship. Only Odysseus survive because he refuse to eat the animals, obeying the gods rules.
Saw this in grade school. Scarred me for life
Lord Tyrell wasn't no simp.
🫡stood on bidness
Generally a terrifying by scene, I’m afraid of the ocean already and now I’m even more
Another thing i noticed is that Scylla before attacking makes noises that sound like barking 😂, very clever 😂
Scylla in hellenic means female dog. It is pronounced Skyla. The sky sounds like the sport "ski".
In myth Scylla was a woman turned into a monster so the name fits perfectly. The whining of a female dog and the name to follow it.
Ironically though in the Odyssey it was mentioned how she lures her victims also by crying like a baby
@@katerinaaqu who'd even fall for that
@Battleshipfan if you hear a helpless baby crying at an open space (because originally they do not enter a dark cave) wouldn't you wonder what baby is that and why it's crying? Perhaps the baby was at the arms of a woman survivor of a sunken ship. Maybe worse. Either way hearing a baby cry in the middle of nowhere might as well make some people wanna look
@@goldenfang9633 not every version is that. In fact many versions have her born like this from Typhoon and Echidna
Just listened to EPIC:the musical and the song called Scylla. It goes a different route where the crew and Ody go through Scylla and avoid the whirlpool cause anyone would pick the lesser of two evils. But i had to look this clip up cause i watched this about 1 1/2 years ago in language arts and while listening to the song i was like "wait but i thought they encountered both and everyone died besides ody?" I like both versions tbh
In the original myth, Scylla and Charybdis are on the opposite sides of the pass, so going through, if you tried to evade Scylla, you'd get in reach of Charybdis, but if you tried to evade Charybdis, you'd get in reach of Scylla. The rest of the crew minus Odysseus were killed after they slayed Helios' sacred cattle.
The funny thing is, I think I’m dreading of seeing or imagining what the whole body of both Scylla and Charybdis look like, since we only see Scylla’s snake like hydra heads and Charybdis’ mouth which are scary enough.
A shame they cut out the Sirens. I felt like they were the third obstacle.
Actually they were the first. Carybdis and Scylla were the second and the third and final was Helio's island.
@@alexandrefrauches132 Yeah, Helios’ island with his sacred cattle was an obstacle. I was thinking more on the lines of monster obstacles they had to overcome.
I can guess it was due to time constraints and that’s why in this version,
The rest of Odysseus’ men were swallowed up by Charybdis.
I literally had chills watching this scene in English class
watched this with my class in high school. after this part, all they could talk about was that one guy. "COME ON! TRY ME!"
I Believe Scylla was a population on Giant Bobbit worms that existe till this day .
They never thought to go around???
Acting like them rocks wrap around the circumference of the damn earth 😂
Neither of you seen a map of Greece. There is no avoiding it. It's a straight body of water. It's basically a Cul-de-sac with the land being the houses on the edge and the water being the road
@@davonnedavis893 then why do they fucking walk
I remember me at 10 watching this scene, it was truly traumatising
We are agree that just only this escene is more terrified than many actual horror movies?
Absolutely agreed
5:22 holy shit!
😂
Это устье реки По , а корабль затонул в районе Голубого грота ,острова Бишево ...
4:30 Mace Tyrell started out as a sailor
I always wanted the soundtrack for this scene , it was the most action packed part and the most horrifying as well
It's online if you look for it. It even has the tracks for the deleted scenes.
I don’t understand how the two last two survivors died tho... did the get sucked in or died by hitting the ocean waves?
My guess is they lost consciousness when they hit the water and were sucked by Charybdis once she reopened her mouth. But that happened after Odysseus drifted away
I love this sense of helplessness. They can only watch as the men get picked and up taken. No chance to even try and fight.
I remember watching this as a kid and when the ocean swallowed the ship I never finished it till high school
Now every time I play Smite I think of them actually looking like that.
Charybdis
The Sarlaac of the Sea
I’ve never thought of that… apt comparison! 😱
Thank God there’s no beak in Charybdis to adulterate it’s dread and terror.
2:01 didnt Elpenor die falling off of circi's palace well drunk?
I think I saw this scene from a Watchmojo video. Did this come before or after Deep Rising?
Before.
Both monsters' teeth bear close resemblance. Looks like they're coming from the same family.
I am deeply terrified of both of these monsters, and this scene scares me
4:01 You asked for it!
how he jump before the second strike?
Yum-yum-yum-yum-yum, ¡delicioso!
I one story Scylla had tentacled arms to grab six sailors and she also dragged the boat toward her when he tried to sail between them.
this came up on my fyp not long after you know what
1:48
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Seeing Charybdis is scary enough, but being in the water with it is terrifying.
It has been aaaaages, since I've seen this, thanks for the upload!
i came here after reading the scylla and charybdis idiom in english book
I am Greek and, i feel so proud and get goosebumps when i read Homers books, with Odysseus and many others heroes as part of my country's big History.
I can't believe I never knew Scllya was in this move. I loved it when I was little but the only part that I remember was (as i put it) the sea of teeth. I didn't know Scllya was right before it!
Καλή ταινία, αλλά με πολλές βασικές παραλήψεις σε σχέση με το Ομηρικό έπος.
At some point I was expecting a terrified Alex to appear on the boat, hyperventilating, staring at Tim and saying -Where's the goat?
im currently in Italy at the time of commenting this, and I wanted to visit the Strait of Messina where Scylla and Charybdis lie. unfortunately, it cannot fit in the schedule. Which is a shame because I really wanted to see the Strait
I can hear the pain in the screams
Si las culebras con boca daban miedo, esa boca gigantesca al final fue una pesadilla
Epic!
1:47 2:22 3:07 3:11 3:17 3:20 5:05
Name of the movie
The Odyssey
I came back to this Vid, the EPIC The Musical Fandom has discovered the 1997 miniseries
What movie is this?
The Odyssey (1997 miniseries)
This miniseries is far from perfect, but the scene with Scylla and Charybdis is very cool and the design of the monsters is great.
Finally found it
Watched it like ten years ago in the school and after that has a Fear of Sea monsters it’s very nostalgic and pretty much still freaking creepy