except this time you NEED to swap subclasses/loadouts. which i do not like the idea of needing to open a menu in the middle/start of damage/an encounter. In my opinion, loadouts should be locked after an encounter starts and unlocks on death, encounter completion, or MAYBE after not taking/dealing damage for 5-10 seconds. (and for master/contest, loadouts are locked until wipe or a completion, even if you find a safe spot)
I clicked this video fully expecting a numerical breakdown of how the impact damage from Well's sword stab animation somehow was better DPS than every other damage super in the game.
I read the title, immediately went into a bunch solo dungeons and dropped the well sword into every the bosses It killed them all Thanks Aegis I wouldn't have done that without you : )
vividly remembering the well caster damage counting as super damage from when Spire of the Watcher came out since persys has a super damage multiplier on him due to being a wyvern so the well caster gets to absolutely fry him with weapons
2:12 into the video, lemme guess... face of courage buffs the damage converted to super damage from well of radiance so the trick is to pop well and swap to prismatic. I'll see if I was right lol Edit: yep, it was exactly that lol
it’s crazy the fact damage stacking with this combination is basically back, like in forsaken era when you could stack every single buff/debuff for insane amounts of damage. knowing bungo through, this will probably 100% get fixed/nerfed at some point, since it’s an “unintentional” bug because broken spaghetti code.
It isn't a bug though. This is 100% intentional. It's just leveraging how buffs work to the absolute limit. Not only that, but this is not something the average raider will be pulling off, and the people that are doing this would've cleared anyways. So no point in nerfing something that is effectively meaningless.
@@matthewradabaugh1635 Yeah. I highly suspect this is intentional, which is why they nerfed the damage output of so many supers, knowing the damage could be astronomical. Star Eater Nova and Star Eater Twilight got hammered because of this. The seasonal artifact skyrockets the output by 20%, which is no joke when talking about millions of damage.
@@matthewradabaugh1635 Plus the damage is only reaching these levels because of the artifact mods. After this season is over, the community will have to figure out a new mod combination to do insane damage again.
Very curious to hear your thoughts on this. For Euphony/Wicked. Would it be beneficial to use Apotheosis to get your Spindle 25x ASAP and then swap to Sanguine as you throw your last threadling? That way you can get more max damage Euphony shots with your Strand 4x.
I get how you mean methodology wise and I'm probably forgetting something really obvious but I think the tricky thing with that route is as they stand for the damage they do LFRs still have a big caveat of physical time to empty/do the most damage so while obviously it's not like it's impossible to do what you're saying and I think it could work out, I think it's more of a situation where and how much time left will you'd have to get advantage of that situation when you swap. It probably depends on the fight and even then squeeze might not be that much extra.
I knew since the first moment that I was wrong but I opened this video 100% ready to see how stabbing someone with well is a better dps than every other super
Hey Aegis, a little confused. Is a sanguine swap worth it or not? In the ranking video it seemed like a well sanguine to prismatic swap was really good but here you said it wasn't worth it to sanguine swap if you give up transcendance.
@@sunlitstream2647 i think its all on prismatic. so dont nova -> storm trance swap just to gain the weapon surge for bittersweet/ex diris because you loose the transcendence. basically its taking time to gain an extra surge which is only an extra 3% over 3 surges or pop transcendence that gives a 5% weapon buff plus high ability up time. well -> prismatic makes the swap worth because you gain courage and can pick a super matching any weapon element. that will buff your damage in any season so until Sanguine gets nerfed its worth if you are already on well. This season arc super/weapons make the most sense because you can dip again into the artifact for even more damage sorry if i over explained it. Just wanted to make sure it was clear why
im always wondering how realistic double special setups are...surely not everyone in the fireteam can run them, cause even if the double special economy works, youd have to use some of your ammo for the rest of the encounter and have less of it at the boss, so if you wanna run double special for damage youre the designated damage and the others have to do the mechanics and you can only do callouts? im not against testing these for a 'theoretical best', but youll have to use something in the encounter before the dps phase usually, be it abilities or ammo, so somethings gotta give no? ive usually just replaced one special weapon with a primary if possible to make the loadout less hyperfocused on dps, but im curious what would you actually run?
I must be doing it wrong . Every time i pop the well on top of a champion it does almost no damage then he punches me twice and I’m dead … am i doing something wrong ?
hey just took a look at one of your spreadsheet (boss damage). in the abilities tab, there is no combination blow melee. also is there a reason why you dont have the exotic class items included in your exotics tab too? like syntho does less damage with combination blow idk why l cant find the patch notes for it
When I well I always come in last for dps. Our team wiped after first phase and I did 1.8m dps compared to 2 titans doing 3-4m …. Can someone tell me best guns to run besides anarchy as I don’t have. I just got grand overture to try. Hate being last
last video was the big damage ranking video, you can go to the spreadsheet in the description for individual weapons. tl;dr whisper and acrius are good on bosses where you can get away with them, the new heavy GLs this season are good, tomorrow's answer is good
This is optimal for short phases and not so much long ones (Well duration) but if you want more burst for like an Atraks obviously a traditional damage super is better
It's too bad we can't get a metric based on the average raid group. I could see that type of group doing better damage with different strategies because although they wouldn't be doing the max possible dps they'd at least be doing their own max possible dps if that makes sense. Essentially a skill-based metric but idk if that's measurable
Yeah you swap from well to both sanguine and a arc super on prismatic, hes basically also just saying that you shouldnt swap to other supers just for the sanguine buff because transcendence will always do more damage than the surge x4 by itself
Haven’t played in a few weeks, but isn’t cuirass / crash still noticeably stronger than start-eaters / crash (both prismatic)? Edit: Is this like Star eater / warrior or something?
Speakers sight well warlock with lumina, no hesitation, and enhanced incandescent speleologist and triple helmet mod that makes extra orbs on super makes the game completely different from how I normally play. Going in with no damage resistance mods and not feel naked. Aiming at teammates over ads is making my brain do somersaults in a good way. orbs created>enemies defeated
Enhanced no hesitation with Physic and Attrition Orbs. Leave the incandescent for your envious assassin incandescent speleologist which turns into a panic pop lord of wolves/boss melter at close range
@@MikeOxout no i mean was the artifact mod included in his calculations. also ex diris blinds when u damage urself causing the weapon to become enraged and blind more frequently on hits. because im assuming he didnt since the icebreaker rotation cant blind.
Bungie can't keep down the best class. You can take away our insta kill super combo, you can limit most of our aspect combinations to 4 for subclass building, and you can put us back on Well but its inevitable.
yknow, this only really helps day 1 players that want that day 1 belt, and or very fast clears, but outside of that, nobody is going to optimize this much just to get like 50k extra damage when they can already do 30% of a boss's health by themselves
@@TheAegisRelic thats the context, plenty of people are using it, but can you roughly define how many players that "Plenty" encompasses? I am not saying that these strats are bad or that they are sweaty, what i am saying however is that nobody who doesn't no life the game is going to optimize this much just to get a very marginally faster clear. again, these strats help the top line for the most part, not your casual player that is only there to have some fun and loot and then leave.
@@TheAegisRelic the point is, fast clearers, day 1 raiders and speedrunners are the only player types that will use this fully, while casuals will at most just use the video as an education video about what weapons are good this season/episode.
I'm definitely aware of who my audience tends to be, but hopefully some casual players will take the opportunity to try something new as a result of this video :P
born to nova, forced to well (again)
This Time With Highest DMG NUMBER !!!!!!
remastered
except this time you NEED to swap subclasses/loadouts. which i do not like the idea of needing to open a menu in the middle/start of damage/an encounter. In my opinion, loadouts should be locked after an encounter starts and unlocks on death, encounter completion, or MAYBE after not taking/dealing damage for 5-10 seconds. (and for master/contest, loadouts are locked until wipe or a completion, even if you find a safe spot)
Born to T-Crash, forced to Bubble
@@EngineeringDruid
Loadout good
Switch hard
Loadout switch hard and good
Help me do big number
Me can hit big dmg
Me like big dmg
Me like it
I clicked this video fully expecting a numerical breakdown of how the impact damage from Well's sword stab animation somehow was better DPS than every other damage super in the game.
Lmao same😂
YEPP
METAHHHH
Same
They need to create an exotic like pyrogale for warlocks, turn the well into a close range nuke
Aegis Well does like 8 damage on cast to the boss, is he stupid?????
Yeah he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. What a newlight
You guys joke but I just 1 shot the Witness with Well’s stab animation. Broken AF
@@Lloyd-Ferri-McFerrilsonfun fact the witness is weak to swords, try it on your next salvations edge run!
Yes i one shot the witness in my last edge run
Now I wonder why can't we stab the well sword on enemies, making it a mobile well HMMMMMM
I read the title, immediately went into a bunch solo dungeons
and dropped the well sword into every the bosses
It killed them all
Thanks Aegis I wouldn't have done that without you : )
This is largely because the sword stabs downward from above, thus getting a Precision Damage multiplier on the boss!
"You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." - Flaming toothpick stuck in the ground.
Okay but you forgot to include the dps added in when you slam the well sword into the top of your enemy. Now that is some crazy burst damage
Imagine if we could use star eater scales with it 🤯
wait… can you?
@@ThatLazyyGuyi would like to know as well 😂
@@ThatLazyyGuy warlock only gets star eater from the exotic class item which only works with prismatic subclasses equipped
TRUE.
I love how crazy d2 meta has become from the old days of rocket spam in Y1. Keep the great work dude, you are the goat of this community
Maaahhhh
DREAD IT. RUN FROM IT. WELL COMES TO THE META ONCE AGAIN. WELL IS INEVITABLE. WELL IS HIM
This game's code is currently hanging on threads and, oh boy, every update is cutting a single thread at a time and to honest, I'm all here for it
while this is true, the average destiny player will see an entirely normal game interaction and say it's spaghetti code EVERY TIME 😭😭
vividly remembering the well caster damage counting as super damage from when Spire of the Watcher came out since persys has a super damage multiplier on him due to being a wyvern so the well caster gets to absolutely fry him with weapons
2:12 into the video, lemme guess... face of courage buffs the damage converted to super damage from well of radiance so the trick is to pop well and swap to prismatic. I'll see if I was right lol
Edit: yep, it was exactly that lol
Obviously
it’s crazy the fact damage stacking with this combination is basically back, like in forsaken era when you could stack every single buff/debuff for insane amounts of damage. knowing bungo through, this will probably 100% get fixed/nerfed at some point, since it’s an “unintentional” bug because broken spaghetti code.
It isn't a bug though. This is 100% intentional. It's just leveraging how buffs work to the absolute limit. Not only that, but this is not something the average raider will be pulling off, and the people that are doing this would've cleared anyways. So no point in nerfing something that is effectively meaningless.
@@matthewradabaugh1635 Yeah. I highly suspect this is intentional, which is why they nerfed the damage output of so many supers, knowing the damage could be astronomical. Star Eater Nova and Star Eater Twilight got hammered because of this. The seasonal artifact skyrockets the output by 20%, which is no joke when talking about millions of damage.
@@matthewradabaugh1635 Plus the damage is only reaching these levels because of the artifact mods. After this season is over, the community will have to figure out a new mod combination to do insane damage again.
Wth is this d2 meta. Didnt play for a few months and I see shit like sentinel shield sanguine alchemy and now ts?
The sentinel shield damage is unfortunately a bug which will get fixed
@@lucienmoolman8017sort of
They are not putting back down in the basement
They’re only taking some of the damage away
Uses Titan Bubble and refuses to elaborate.
Oh boy, gonna love LFG groups expecting me to run Well AND top frag in damage.
wait you can just nova through an angelic shield!? the whole time ive been trying to angle it and time it to go through the gaps :(
Dont worry same here especially with thunder crash lol
It’s buggy tbh. :/ sometimes it works other times it blocks.
Outperforming by 20% is crazy
Not my warlock born for the sole purpose of running well eating good in the corner
100% Well gets changed to not cause outgoing damage to be considered super/ability damage.
That was my only take away lol
if this happens ill have to retire my funny hierarchy of needs/phoenix protocol build
YOU CANT MAKE ME (JUMPS OFF WINDOW AND SLOWLY FALLS DOWN BECAUSE OF BAD JUMP TIMING
I was born as a void warlock, born to nova bomb, but now I am reborn as a solar warlock, destined to well...
Coming back to destiny 2 to see this is pain
Damage rotations are so satisfying now with envious arsenal . I’ll never get the hate for the season I love it
When you can have your cake and eat it too.
Love how this is ten times better than bubble ever was.
Absolutely nothing new. Ward of Dawn desperately needs a fucking rework.
If glasshouse came back and gave a 30 second 35% that would be 🔥
Hear me out, what if we just buffed bubble, without requiring my exotic slot
@ you madman! What an insane idea.
I swear bubble only stays terrible because of pvp because they cant do anything different other that mess with damage numbers
4:42 nice amount of enemies killed
:D
I’m gonna need a vid on snowball dips
Very curious to hear your thoughts on this. For Euphony/Wicked. Would it be beneficial to use Apotheosis to get your Spindle 25x ASAP and then swap to Sanguine as you throw your last threadling? That way you can get more max damage Euphony shots with your Strand 4x.
I get how you mean methodology wise and I'm probably forgetting something really obvious but I think the tricky thing with that route is as they stand for the damage they do LFRs still have a big caveat of physical time to empty/do the most damage so while obviously it's not like it's impossible to do what you're saying and I think it could work out, I think it's more of a situation where and how much time left will you'd have to get advantage of that situation when you swap.
It probably depends on the fight and even then squeeze might not be that much extra.
You could but I honestly don't think it's worth because your Spindle is almost at 25 regardless if you start with max perched
Don’t let Bungle ever let you forget, solar is best
Always will be
Always has been. Its just a shame they cant figure out if solar warlock is a healer subclass or an AC130 or what
BORN TO NOVA, LOVES TO WELL
I knew since the first moment that I was wrong but I opened this video 100% ready to see how stabbing someone with well is a better dps than every other super
We took weapons of light away from bubble to solely work with an exotic helmet. We made well get up to 35 with sanguine
WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK
(We never left)
This is tragic
Hey Aegis, a little confused. Is a sanguine swap worth it or not? In the ranking video it seemed like a well sanguine to prismatic swap was really good but here you said it wasn't worth it to sanguine swap if you give up transcendance.
Still worth swapping to sanguine for the 10% mark dmg. You just don’t want to switch your super and lose transcendence just to surge match heavy.
@ ok I got it. So like a light -> prismatic swap is fine but don’t prismatic -> light/dark swap
Yea looks like it's ok to plop the well down then switch to prismatic arc super for the diris bittersweet surge buff@@sunlitstream2647
@@sunlitstream2647 i think its all on prismatic. so dont nova -> storm trance swap just to gain the weapon surge for bittersweet/ex diris because you loose the transcendence.
basically its taking time to gain an extra surge which is only an extra 3% over 3 surges or pop transcendence that gives a 5% weapon buff plus high ability up time.
well -> prismatic makes the swap worth because you gain courage and can pick a super matching any weapon element. that will buff your damage in any season so until Sanguine gets nerfed its worth if you are already on well. This season arc super/weapons make the most sense because you can dip again into the artifact for even more damage
sorry if i over explained it. Just wanted to make sure it was clear why
No I mean don't use SES Nova and swap to Stormtrance, don't get me wrong warlocks should ALWAYS have Sanguine on for damage in its current state
Sanguine gets buffed…now will get nerfed…will end up back in all our vaults sooner than later
Average warlock exotic lifespan after it does .1% more dmg than goldie/arsenal.
RIP Starfire Protocol
Just remember, there is no price for perfection, only an end of pursuit.
Great content as always.
No one would think it's a bad thing to have a lot of Well in the team, so，it's cooool！
Wellocks are so back (we never left)
Interesting just how much total damage transcendence abilities pump out tbh, not what I was expecting to see.
Yeah, we get 3 supers at Puppeteer using Well but damage from weapons was OP!
Do you need sanguine for that well damage
Yeah it helps
Well, let that sink in.
It's cold outside!
sick thumbnail mr relic!!! :3
im always wondering how realistic double special setups are...surely not everyone in the fireteam can run them, cause even if the double special economy works, youd have to use some of your ammo for the rest of the encounter and have less of it at the boss, so if you wanna run double special for damage youre the designated damage and the others have to do the mechanics and you can only do callouts? im not against testing these for a 'theoretical best', but youll have to use something in the encounter before the dps phase usually, be it abilities or ammo, so somethings gotta give no? ive usually just replaced one special weapon with a primary if possible to make the loadout less hyperfocused on dps, but im curious what would you actually run?
I almost never run primaries so I can tell you in practice this works just need to make use of special swapping and abilities
@ what’s your go to special to run for neutral game?
@@ruijikisu Rocket sidearm or area denial
I must be doing it wrong . Every time i pop the well on top of a champion it does almost no damage then he punches me twice and I’m dead … am i doing something wrong ?
hey just took a look at one of your spreadsheet (boss damage). in the abilities tab, there is no combination blow melee. also is there a reason why you dont have the exotic class items included in your exotics tab too? like syntho does less damage with combination blow idk why l cant find the patch notes for it
Yeah that's because it's just a multiplier to normal melee, the Syntho/Combination thing is intentional and is in a patch note somewhere
Bro really gonna make me farm trials.
Ideally you want the same rocket to have both bipod and bait and switch so you can reserve swap too...
At this point, just bring back the OG lunafaction boots and let me deplete all my grenades.
When I well I always come in last for dps. Our team wiped after first phase and I did 1.8m dps compared to 2 titans doing 3-4m …. Can someone tell me best guns to run besides anarchy as I don’t have. I just got grand overture to try. Hate being last
Thats just the pain of being the Well
@ I mean I get that but I’ve joined randos and they complain my damage isn’t high enough so I’m like what gives
last video was the big damage ranking video, you can go to the spreadsheet in the description for individual weapons. tl;dr whisper and acrius are good on bosses where you can get away with them, the new heavy GLs this season are good, tomorrow's answer is good
Can u do a video about the optimal dps setups for vespers host solo? With with some added sustian
You could honestly run this and use rift for second half
icebreaker dps rotation! my beloved nostalgia gun :D
So this is for long damagephases, now what is optimal for short ones
This is optimal for short phases and not so much long ones (Well duration) but if you want more burst for like an Atraks obviously a traditional damage super is better
Well of Radiance (Remastered)
Warlock is always on top in pve content.
if i place a well and them another Warlock places a well in the same spot, im still getting the weapon ~ ability damage conversion from my well?
Yep
It's too bad we can't get a metric based on the average raid group. I could see that type of group doing better damage with different strategies because although they wouldn't be doing the max possible dps they'd at least be doing their own max possible dps if that makes sense. Essentially a skill-based metric but idk if that's measurable
So with ex dirgis and bittersweet, are we swapping off well once placed? Seems like yes but then aegis says no
Yeah you swap from well to both sanguine and a arc super on prismatic, hes basically also just saying that you shouldnt swap to other supers just for the sanguine buff because transcendence will always do more damage than the surge x4 by itself
I wanna try this with the sword from deep stone having wolf pac maybe the wolfs count as arc super dmg too
The sword hits themselves should lol
3:20 Immediately clicked off when you say swapping to prismatic lol
🤨🤨
What do you use to blind targets for arc compounding?
Ex diris
Either PoLR (arc trace) or Diris
I kinda wanna replicate the Tomorrow's Answer, Nova, Icebreaker build but I lack Tomorrow's Answer and Icebreaker. Why is he even using TA?
Only rocket with Envious atm
Haven’t played in a few weeks, but isn’t cuirass / crash still noticeably stronger than start-eaters / crash (both prismatic)?
Edit: Is this like Star eater / warrior or something?
Yeah it's with Warrior
@@TheAegisRelic ahh good to know, I’ve been trying for that roll since they came out and still don’t have it 😭
Speakers sight well warlock with lumina, no hesitation, and enhanced incandescent speleologist and triple helmet mod that makes extra orbs on super makes the game completely different from how I normally play. Going in with no damage resistance mods and not feel naked. Aiming at teammates over ads is making my brain do somersaults in a good way. orbs created>enemies defeated
Enhanced no hesitation with Physic and Attrition Orbs. Leave the incandescent for your envious assassin incandescent speleologist which turns into a panic pop lord of wolves/boss melter at close range
Bro got the triple support build on haha
Sorry noob here but can u explain why making orbs is better than doing damage.
Today I learned that Golden Gun is really called Nighthawk.
Gotta squint to see it
did aegis including the blinding artifact mod or did i miss that in the video somewhere?
@@MikeOxout no i mean was the artifact mod included in his calculations. also ex diris blinds when u damage urself causing the weapon to become enraged and blind more frequently on hits.
because im assuming he didnt since the icebreaker rotation cant blind.
Yep
Born to well, forced to well. (I love Well)
Well i’ll be darned
What is the liturgy roll in the video?
Envious/Chill/Spike
The more things change, the more they stay the same 😂😂
Well is forever. Guardians make their own fate.... except WellLocks.
Dread it, run from it, well arrives all the same.
Song at the end??
It's a copyright free compilation so not sure
Kay, im taking bets how and when it gets nerfed
Two tailed fox with the fragment that reloads weapons and the spirit that gives you damage after suoer
Im still tryin get a chill clip envious liturgy lol😅
Amazing video
Great stuff
my ass really thought this is going to be about the damage that well make upon casting
Yep pop that shit right on the boss' head
It's a pvp staple.
oh my!!! aegis vid🤭
Bungie can't keep down the best class. You can take away our insta kill super combo, you can limit most of our aspect combinations to 4 for subclass building, and you can put us back on Well but its inevitable.
Saltagreppo hates you 😂
he's living in your mind rent free
only if it is intentional that dmg counts as abilitiy dmg. might get fixed
I love these, I don’t even raid anymore but it helps me melt GM and dungeon bosses and it’s totally unnecessary
yknow, this only really helps day 1 players that want that day 1 belt, and or very fast clears, but outside of that, nobody is going to optimize this much just to get like 50k extra damage when they can already do 30% of a boss's health by themselves
You say this but plenty of people are using this strategy everywhere :)
@@TheAegisRelic thats the context, plenty of people are using it, but can you roughly define how many players that "Plenty" encompasses?
I am not saying that these strats are bad or that they are sweaty, what i am saying however is that nobody who doesn't no life the game is going to optimize this much just to get a very marginally faster clear.
again, these strats help the top line for the most part, not your casual player that is only there to have some fun and loot and then leave.
I'm not sure what the point of your original comment was then lol
@@TheAegisRelic the point is, fast clearers, day 1 raiders and speedrunners are the only player types that will use this fully, while casuals will at most just use the video as an education video about what weapons are good this season/episode.
I'm definitely aware of who my audience tends to be, but hopefully some casual players will take the opportunity to try something new as a result of this video :P
omg... courage after swapping when casting well? thats kinda funny
Aww yeah, the number nerd is back again 😎❤️
Star eater nova?
Watch the video
@ didn’t know it was talking about solipsism. Thought you were referring to the Hunter exotic had me confused
@@imsurgen Oh I see, disregard my other comment
What do you expect, every damage phase on every boss needs a well
I don't think most people are popping then swapping to Prismatic :)
Forced to well again 😢
Born to well, well 🤤🤤
blueberries will still try to run arc even though well is the most viable super/subclass ever
ALHAM SPOTTED
excuse me what??
Is your subclass tier list from 4 months ago still relevant?
Mostly, Prismatic Titan probably deserves higher given meta shifts
Bungie: "Thanks for the heads-up. Nerf incoming in next patch."
/half-serious joke
Im a titan. And im very confused.
Me going to the warlock to ask him to put nova instead of well (I got kicked out with him)
NO TRAVELLER PLEASE NO I JUST WANNA NOVA BOMB
The more they try to nerf Well the stronger it gets
Warlocks being easy mode is like a staple in Destiny by this point
I cant even with this one