It's literally pointless right now. The roll combos are bugged. Bungie was wrong the other day about perk weighting. There is a bug that effects drop combos based on their place in the perk list in the API, and I doubt it will be fixed any time soon
Endless amounts of respect. You still might be one of the few legit people willing to cut the bs and have a practical conversation about Legendary Primaries and how they're not something you need to overthink or make a science project over. I'm just so sick of the clickbait nonsense of "you need to farm endlessly for this perfect primary that only satisfies 1 specific build or else", and deep down it really doesn't matter to that degree.
Been struggling (as a veteran, returning player) with understanding how to improve my boss damage in generalas a hunter, your channel is definitely the best in that regard. You know what you are talking about and the level of knowledge you display alone shows how much you have been running all type of content. Thanks a lot for the video, super clear and well put.
@@Madlib35 no worries! It’s honestly not that difficult to get a basic damage rotation that will work for any dungeon or raid you may be running, witherhoard with a bait and switch Gl is a really easy and very solid damage rotation to start with
Why so lol, been playing this game for over 10 years and I have 4k hours clocked in, think I can call myself a veteran. Quite cringy that you would even take time to comment on this though 😅
10:25 Blast Furnace with KT/ Frenzy and Hung Jury with KT/ Explosive are literally the best legendaries in slot, and will melt champs, mini bosses, vehicles, majors, and fills your transcendence bar up. Super slept on for those who rock kinetic primaries.
I respectfully disagree. Midnight coup with exp payload one for all is better as the exp payload explosions procs one for all. Whereas kinetic tremors does not. But both of those are good choices. But one for all is a 35% damage buff.
@@rafeaustin I have it and have used it. The issue with it and why it's nowhere near the above weapons is the small magazine and constantly reloading. Oh, and I use my explosive/frenzy roll over my OFA one because we're not talking about just ad clear. Your roll is pretty weak against tanky combatants since its damage perk is moot without ads to proc it. Frenzy at least will have that lightning fast reload and handing, and the 15% damage. I've got 1400 kills with mine and 800 kills with yours. Different tools for different jobs, but KT/frenzy is insane for ads as well since you can just hold down the trigger and move from one to the next to keep it proccing and getting the massive AOEe effect with the frenzy benefits as well.
@@Based_Shogun thanks for your the reply. Yes it’s a HC and has less mag capacity. However mine has 14 w back up mag and a 78 reload with flared mag well so its not an issue for me and I ad a kinetic reload perk as well. As far as mini bosses go OFA procs simply off of exp payload so hitting ads before is not required. And not to mention every activity in the game that’s harder content has high add density so I’m missing your point there. What’s great about it is that it will 1 shot most red bars in high level content. And for mini bosses or champions in something like a GM or a dungeon I’m using a special or heavy weapon w ability spam to chunk their damage not a primary. I have a fatebringer with frenzy and exp payload and it’s a great weapon, and I have those roles you mentioned in your initial post also, but the synergy and damage profile with exp payload and OFA is unmatched imo. And because OFA stacks more quickly with that role it requires less ammo to reach max damage output vs KT on a pulse/scout. But if you’re play style is to sit in the back of the map with a long ranch high cap mag weapon then sure pulses and scouts w frenzy kinetic do that well.
Off topic, but as a Parasite enjoyer, I very much enjoyed Contest Mode of the new dungeon. Using Parasite to demolish the Yellow Bar Snipers in the first encounter was awesome, as was using it on the Servitor Boss to supplement the Titan Behemoths!
Parasite put in work in newest contest dungeon. During my run, 3rd person was an lfg and with parasite we cleared 1st encounter in like 4 tries by using parasite to delete bulkier targets. And it helped do actual dps in 2nd encounter, managed a 2 phase under contest with 1 behemoth titan and 3 parasites.
Parasite is pretty common in my Loadouts anymore. Chunk or delete large targets, if for some reason you need to blow up a room of adds (you’re other weapons don’t do it or your abilities are on cooldown somehow) it does that well too. Just one solar holster mod and you plug and play. If you’re not optimizing for boss DPS or something leg mods tend to be pretty lackluster. So on most builds I’m running one Better Already, one Recuperation and I can either do some random ability regen mod or put on solar holster and equip the beast of everything outside of boss DPS and just use orbs to special finisher.
The dungeon having a few really good weapons and Icebreaker for fun stasis builds is nice, makes already fun content even more worth to run when the drop payoff also has a lot of potential
"D2 has shifted away drastically from legendary weapons when it comes to total damage" LFR enjoyers still suffering as Bungie continues to let them rot
Honestly this video is a saviour I find myself lost at the start of every season as I don’t grind as quick but knowing what to look for now is a blessing. Thanks for this video 🙏.
My only small Gripe with Velocity Baton: I wish it either had ALH in the 3rd to pair with AO or had AO in the 3rd to pair with a damage perk or Destabilizing.
Definitely deliberate move by Bungie since ALH is pretty much the universal god roll on Special GLs every time it’s available Demo is the next best option here IMO
@@Lookout1000 yeah ALH feels too... Not generic but like I can think of forty different perks that start with A. They all sorta blend together when thinking about acronyms.
Actually, you should be taking advantage of it for some weapons while you still can. VS Velocity Baton from the new dungeon is a good example of a gun where all of the desirable rolls are dropping at a higher than expected rate.
Okay I understand chill is better of a gl but I really wanna see full numbers between rapid fires and adaptive frames bc I really wanna see how much better chill is
You can check his endgame damage meta update video. rapids got ~7.5% buff compared to last season and now are ~10.3% better than adaptives. With artifact mod that puts bitter/sweet extremely close to chill inhibitor.
I use a lot of legendary primaries because I'm not quite good enough to run double special in all content, and man, you're too right on the kinetic slot being ass. Headstone and Hatchling are just TERRIBLE in comparison to Incan, Voltshot, and now Jolting Feedback and Destabilizing Rounds too. And they also lack good 3rd column support perks like Heal Clip and Repulsor Brace. Rimestealer just pales in comparison to Heal Clip it's not even close. That being said, I am a Fatebringer Enjoyer
I don’t mean to be a broken record about it but please check out explosive light and sticky grenades on edge transit with the recent rework. I got a roll of it myself and the results are quite astonishing, especially with an attrition orbs velocity baton. By my math, for the rounds with EL it does ~15% more than the same roll with spike nades.
@@TheAegisRelic This was my initial findings. The numbers were against the Nessus lost sector major. Ignore the 50 blast radius, I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t anything funny going on with the 100 blast radius given with EL. Edge el sticky 50 blast 77306 + 1111 = 78,417 Edge el spike 50 blast 59466 + 8328 = 67,794 Edge bs sp 50 blast 43386 + 16998 = 60,384 Normal edge st 43386 + 1744 = 45,130 Normal edge sp 33374 + 13076 = 46,450
I confirmed it on Calus: 40BR edge transit: 28,703+10,967 = 39,670 50BR sticky edge transit: 38,181+1,535 = 39,716 EL edge transit: 52,333+6,515 = 58,848 EL sticky edge: 68032+978 = 69,010 EL spike wicked sister: 52,333+7,329 = 59,662 results in 17.3% buff over base EL or about 15.7% over spike. Very small buff at base blast radius, but nothing noticeable over spike. I also helped Aegis update numbers on Templar, so sticky+EL numbers are in the sheet now (it's VERY good burst on edge transit).
I'd be really interested in seeing a dedicated video about the endgame meta for weapons and builds in solo content. Would be fun to see how that would differ from the general endgame meta.
I'm petitioning for Bungie to give Coriolis every good fusion perk in upcoming rework. I love fusions in pvp, it's time for them to be seriously relevant in pve. Give them a large damage buff as well just for the funsies.
They're going to buff it so it shoots in a huge circle around the enemy, but not really at the enemy itself. But the enemy will be kinda scared for a sec until it realizes its not in danger at all.
What are your thoughts on the "perk proximity theory"? It is pretty definitive at this point, and specifically makes an Envious/BnS Chill Inhibitor drop nearly impossible.
@@TheAegisRelic Not to say he's the only one but it weirdly makes me think of older Cammycakes videos when he's gone through a lot of math about how your chances at getting Trials weapons with "ideal perks" were always extremely miserably low and borderline impossible even if you played nonstop for the entire weekend.
@@thealldayspecialand yet some people will unironically complain crafting is a bad decision that “removed the purpose of the game” and is “too casual friendly”
Why is Ill Omen good as dps sword, what is the perk combination and combo for that? I can't craft it yet, but I'm using one that has Relentless and Cold Steel just for general play when using Behemoth
Afaik, sticky grenades has no effect on blast radius/impact damage. But merely delays the explosion if shot at the ground. It should have no effect w/ EL (I believe hynra showed that it does actually work with full court which is neat for pvp).
With how good heavy GL's are I really am liking running Euphony more, I can just dump all my GL shots and then go to running Euphony on strand for more total damage OR run a cascade GL and combine the two in a rotation.
Great work as always, i think it would be helpful a page with exotic class armor and useful roll. I've personally stepped into this problem, and i think many people don't know what the best of them are for speedrun/dayone etc
gunpowder gamble seems to not be working with facet of ruin right now..? idk if it's a bug or a flaw with how i was testing it but just wanted to tell someone whos smarter than me so maybe it'd get looked at in the future
i will like to have you know, my perfect paradox is not only relvant on melee builds! i am consistently the highest dpsing person in my warlord's ruin runs (unless my friend is a titan with hazardous and grand overture)! and i'm not even running a melee focused build as a warlock!
@@TheAegisRelic I ain't no Titan main, but if you're using actium with GO for dps in warlord, there's clearly a reason why I might even pass you in damage. Usually with my friend who runs what I listed (GO with hazardous) he pulls ahead by a Mil, however he's gotta get both his rockets and the volley ready, alongside any orbs he needs for surges, and his super. I just need my super and orbs
one of my first drops for chill inhibitor was ea/b&s. didn't know it was rare until i saw weight-gate stuff. i don't like my masterwork, magazine, or barrel and it feels so sluggish.
Why isn't FTTC listed for your lucky pants hand cannons? Is it because of the change to lucky pants? Is it now best to stop and reload before hitting max stacks?
i'm sort of new to the game so i'm sorry if this sounds stupid but why is choir of one only low priority? i thought it would be medium atleast because the ads mode can do ad clear like a machine gun with infinite ammo because of special finisher and it has a hipfire mode that can do burst dps so you have 2 roles on 1 weapon. it's also special ammo so you can generate heavy ammo with it.
Different rolls for different situations (also chill inhibitor can get env+BnS as well). env is better for more sustained rotations while cascade is better for burst or more niche rotations that can consistently reload gun quickly (RoF, impetus shurikens, etc.). Also different elements, stasis doesn't have many great rotation options while arc has a few. So, keeping a bitter/sweet with good roll is still useful.
In terms of a 1-1 comparison between bitter sweet & inhibitor inhibitor is better. Rapid fire frames are better then adaptives but have for the longest time lacked good perks, but this doesn’t meant bitter sweet is bad, it’s better then edge transit right now because envious assassin is broken. For an example in something with surges, I would rather use bitter sweet over chill inhibitor if there’s an arc surge and no stasis surge. TLDR: Inhibitor is better but they are both still very good .
@@XxXxXKEIFERXxXxX Explosive light is a large buff to gls (roughly 50% iirc). But you only get it for 7 shots. Amazing for burst dps, but falls off for sustained dps even compared to something consistent like frenzy.
Function focus was a good decision. I found that doing harder content made me think in terms of function much more than anything else. P.S. kind of niche, but is riskrunner not on the shopping list? Still seems somewhat relevant wherever it can consistently proc.
Going for a demo attrition orbs Baton. 138 runs over two days. 11 drops of the gl itself. None of them being it. It's a 6% drops chance I don't know who cursed me with rng so bad it's over double the average for two to drop, but I will find you, and I will hurt you
You're welcome to disagree, but I think you're sleeping on Icebreaker a bit. IMHO, (and maybe it's because I'm just cracked out of my mind with snipers) but I genuinely believe Icebreaker is one of the best ad clear weapons in the game. When I can land back to back headshots on red bars in a raid or GM, I'll usually clear them faster than I could with even sunshot. Not to mention, I think it's optimal in envious arsenal DPS rotations. Realistically, I'm only shooting 1 shot from my other weapons, because most of my dps comes from the GL anyway. However, it does the most damage per 1 shot (outside izi) of any special ammo sniper. Plus, you get the added bonus that it's hyper ammo efficient with double special. I, personally, have been steam rolling with icebreaker + rocket sidearm on prismatic titan.
If I need to run an exotic heavy, what are some recommendations you have to fill out my kinetic and energy slot? Like strand rocket sidearm with an energy primary? Or is double special the play?
Depends on content/build. During contest dungeon I ran zauoli's with an area denial gl (mostly to build transendence). But plenty of gm speedruns will run double rocket sidearm since they are good for transcendence and still pretty ammo efficient. During most other content I can run consecration with ergo sum + until its return/the call and have 0 ammo issues. If your build is ability focused, double special is still great. If it's weapon focused (like many prismatic warlock builds for example) you probably would consider a primary.
Hey Boss! I have a question if you for you mister relic : Should i use Tractor and dps with a special, or a special with Weakening Gaze and dps with a heavy? also, thank you for your vids! you're giving me great motivation, and me and my buddys managed to clear our first contest, as well as a couple of cool chalenges like trio flawless raids :D
Tractor is a 30% debuff so they're not really comparable, I would say this season since you have Concussive Reload weaken so readily available it's either that or Tractor
Hey, thanks for the "tierlist" if we can call it like that do you think the new exotic gl can replace mountaintop since it allows the player to bump himself?
While I know the nerf to lp was targeted towards boss dps, it pains me to see it's viability into gm level content or even legendary lost sectors be hurt. Before the chnages you could at least kill one champion in one lp activation with a god roll wardens law. Nowdays I have to stun them twice to finish them off and the little viability other hand cannons had with the exception of burst frame and malfeacense plumeted to the ground. I guess it's just the primary dps exotic now
i personally think bitter/sweet is flat out better than chill inhibitor in terms of dps i dont understand the hype i personally think a few adaptives are better than chill inhibitor... envious arsenal cascade point bitter/sweet paired with cloudstrike is nuts since both are arc and you can skip the reload animation.
It’s the archetype that makes it statistically better. Everything always just depends on paring combo. Bitter/Sweet really does fill the hole Arc had in the heavy GL category. VS Chill Inhibitor also filled the hole Stasis had in the heavy GL category. Then the truth of the matter is that it doesn’t matter because all people are doing is min/maxing when regardless you can 1-2 phase most everything without optimizing and only a couple times out of a hundred would it make a difference.
Could I ask why people use the kinetic slot for a 12 punch shotgun? I am trying to make that build but it seems like you'd wanna use that slot for navigator?
After you place navigator point you can always swap off and keep majority of special. Kinetic slot also has perfect paradox which is the best 12p shotgun and swordbreaker if you need a strand option (pairs nicely with thread of propagation or the equivalent prismatic fragment). Basically, boss dps scenarios you can just swap to using perfect after placing grapple point or for neutral game it doesn't see as much play since strand titan has been overshadowed for gm speeds and other neutral game areas.
what are your thoughts on Last Word now that the bugged damage has been retained as a buff? (according to the patch notes). fairly certain it's better than wardens law for lucky pants now
Yep, better than warden's. Check his damage sheet. Swap tab has relevant lucky pants entries. Only closely beaten by eriana's + warden's law pre-stacking the lucky pants buff. It does require a dodge or quick reload though (impetus shuriken for example).
What makes chill inhibitor better than other gls like edge transit, just the faster fire rate and deeper reserves? Also what perks are you looking for on it?
Rapid fires have slightly better dps. Main thing for chill inhibitor vs. edge transit is envious arsenal is way more generally applicable than assassin. Too many ways for assassin to lose its stack before going into a damage phase compared to arsenal proccing on every rotation. 5/5 roll: Quick launch, spike (use backup mag to get 8 in the mag), envious arsenal, BnS, Handling MW. Can replace arsenal with cascade point for burst dps (EL also great for burst dps) and more niche rotations with good reload options (RoF, impetus, etc.).
have you tested bitter/sweet with the artifact mods vs chill inhibitor. I know that chill inhibitor is better right now i was just wondering how bitter/sweet did with the artifact mods
iirc rapid-fire have ~10% better dps. Artifact mod "Conductive Cosmic Crystal" is a 10% boost to damage (with tonic). So, bitter/sweet should be pretty much equivalent to chill inhibitor if you keep enemy stasis debuffed.
You were saying its quite niche to run a primary kinetic weapon yet you highly reccomend the new breach grenade launcher from the new dungeon. What weapon would you reccomend used in the kinetic slot paired with said grenade launcher (or something like aberrant)
The Call/Tinasha's Mastery are both valid options for that slot. Rocket sidearms even post-nerf have enough ammo for most things that have rally flags.
@SpiderReviver So double special is still totally viable? I thought Aegis mentioned in the vid that it was a little more difficult with the reserve nerfs.
@@qualityqontent337it is more difficult, but that doesn’t mean not viable, just compared to what it used to be it’s more difficult. Double special has always been viable just run special finisher and scav mods, and if you have a dps phase just swap loadouts
@@qualityqontent337 Highly dependent on build & situation. I use consecration titan with stuff like ergo sum & until its return (or the call) and never run into ammo problems even over long activities like gms. However, if you rely more on weapons, sidearm reserve nerf hurts a lot. It's no longer an easy always viable choice, but much more situational depending on activity & loadout.
A lot of people are thinking the void area denial is gonna have attrition orbs gutted, but imo they put those two perks together VERY VERY on purpose lol
not even "bugged/rigged" just actually hard evidence that bungies system for perk weighing is flawed and has been for a very long time, we just never looked to hard into it until now
How would Lumina fit into this list especially since you had the healing auto rifle on there? Would it be suitable as an alternative, or is it not worth the exotic slot over other options?
I think it's an alright alternative. Hard to argue for the exotic slot since it only gives 35% empowering buff (which is effectively 8% buff over radiant). But, it still has it's use. Still good for speedrunners (especially for lumina grappling) and for general dps situations for an extra damage boost. Would mainly use it when you need a small dps boost and neutral game/survivability isn't an issue.
I know he thought about it in the past, but didn't really want to rank 192 possible combinations. It could be worth to list maybe top 3-5 rolls on each class since that would be a less arduous process.
Farming for a god roll chill Inhibitor should be easy and wont take that much time i'm sure of it
Oh boy, I can't wait to get my attrition orbs/unrelenting Velocity Baton
Dungeon time!
_....where is my unrelenting velocity baton_
yes definitely
@@HawkmoonaMatatahow about arms
It's literally pointless right now. The roll combos are bugged. Bungie was wrong the other day about perk weighting. There is a bug that effects drop combos based on their place in the perk list in the API, and I doubt it will be fixed any time soon
Me with 6 demo chill clip, 7 cascade chill clips, and 22 cascade one for alls after 30 hours of farming:
Endless amounts of respect. You still might be one of the few legit people willing to cut the bs and have a practical conversation about Legendary Primaries and how they're not something you need to overthink or make a science project over. I'm just so sick of the clickbait nonsense of "you need to farm endlessly for this perfect primary that only satisfies 1 specific build or else", and deep down it really doesn't matter to that degree.
Switching the name of the weapon for the "identity" was a really good idea!
Been struggling (as a veteran, returning player) with understanding how to improve my boss damage in generalas a hunter, your channel is definitely the best in that regard. You know what you are talking about and the level of knowledge you display alone shows how much you have been running all type of content. Thanks a lot for the video, super clear and well put.
Look up damage swap rotations, that is pretty much the meta these days, strong special weapon and a heavy with bait and switch
@@louisosullivan2114 yep this is what I have understood, thanks for confirming though =)
@@Madlib35 no worries! It’s honestly not that difficult to get a basic damage rotation that will work for any dungeon or raid you may be running, witherhoard with a bait and switch Gl is a really easy and very solid damage rotation to start with
As a "veteran" always makes me laugh. Cringey.
Why so lol, been playing this game for over 10 years and I have 4k hours clocked in, think I can call myself a veteran. Quite cringy that you would even take time to comment on this though 😅
10:25 Blast Furnace with KT/ Frenzy and Hung Jury with KT/ Explosive are literally the best legendaries in slot, and will melt champs, mini bosses, vehicles, majors, and fills your transcendence bar up. Super slept on for those who rock kinetic primaries.
I respectfully disagree. Midnight coup with exp payload one for all is better as the exp payload explosions procs one for all. Whereas kinetic tremors does not. But both of those are good choices. But one for all is a 35% damage buff.
@@rafeaustin I have it and have used it. The issue with it and why it's nowhere near the above weapons is the small magazine and constantly reloading.
Oh, and I use my explosive/frenzy roll over my OFA one because we're not talking about just ad clear. Your roll is pretty weak against tanky combatants since its damage perk is moot without ads to proc it. Frenzy at least will have that lightning fast reload and handing, and the 15% damage.
I've got 1400 kills with mine and 800 kills with yours. Different tools for different jobs, but KT/frenzy is insane for ads as well since you can just hold down the trigger and move from one to the next to keep it proccing and getting the massive AOEe effect with the frenzy benefits as well.
@@Based_Shogun thanks for your the reply. Yes it’s a HC and has less mag capacity. However mine has 14 w back up mag and a 78 reload with flared mag well so its not an issue for me and I ad a kinetic reload perk as well. As far as mini bosses go OFA procs simply off of exp payload so hitting ads before is not required. And not to mention every activity in the game that’s harder content has high add density so I’m missing your point there. What’s great about it is that it will 1 shot most red bars in high level content. And for mini bosses or champions in something like a GM or a dungeon I’m using a special or heavy weapon w ability spam to chunk their damage not a primary. I have a fatebringer with frenzy and exp payload and it’s a great weapon, and I have those roles you mentioned in your initial post also, but the synergy and damage profile with exp payload and OFA is unmatched imo. And because OFA stacks more quickly with that role it requires less ammo to reach max damage output vs KT on a pulse/scout. But if you’re play style is to sit in the back of the map with a long ranch high cap mag weapon then sure pulses and scouts w frenzy kinetic do that well.
These comments got me lol’ling
I like my KT/OFA Blast Furnace for GMs.
Off topic, but as a Parasite enjoyer, I very much enjoyed Contest Mode of the new dungeon. Using Parasite to demolish the Yellow Bar Snipers in the first encounter was awesome, as was using it on the Servitor Boss to supplement the Titan Behemoths!
Parasite put in work in newest contest dungeon.
During my run, 3rd person was an lfg and with parasite we cleared 1st encounter in like 4 tries by using parasite to delete bulkier targets.
And it helped do actual dps in 2nd encounter, managed a 2 phase under contest with 1 behemoth titan and 3 parasites.
Parasite is pretty common in my Loadouts anymore.
Chunk or delete large targets, if for some reason you need to blow up a room of adds (you’re other weapons don’t do it or your abilities are on cooldown somehow) it does that well too. Just one solar holster mod and you plug and play.
If you’re not optimizing for boss DPS or something leg mods tend to be pretty lackluster. So on most builds I’m running one Better Already, one Recuperation and I can either do some random ability regen mod or put on solar holster and equip the beast of everything outside of boss DPS and just use orbs to special finisher.
The dungeon having a few really good weapons and Icebreaker for fun stasis builds is nice, makes already fun content even more worth to run when the drop payoff also has a lot of potential
Good change to focus on function, helps with maybe choosing an alternate if you're just unlucky.
"D2 has shifted away drastically from legendary weapons when it comes to total damage"
LFR enjoyers still suffering as Bungie continues to let them rot
Bungie killed LFRs years ago, never even looked at them again.
@patrickoakley7890 they sure did look at them again...to nerf Precision instrument on burst LFRs
@@cbro79 my poor, beautiful Doomed Petitioner. Hasn't been the same since the nerf.
@@patrickoakley7890when did they nerf precision instrument?
@@l.r8926 think it was last year some time, Doomed Petitioner was doing insane damage with PI, so they killed it across the board.
Aegis continues to be an angel to this community. Thank you ❤
Man. Thanks for all of this. I only do grandmasters and this is so helpful. I’m ready for the Wardens law testing
Hey Aegis small note - No Hesitation rolls Attrition orbs in column 4 not column 3, it competes w/ Incan/Circle.
Corrected - thank you!
Honestly this video is a saviour I find myself lost at the start of every season as I don’t grind as quick but knowing what to look for now is a blessing. Thanks for this video 🙏.
Love the changes! Even just switching the location of the name. Best in the business!
My only small Gripe with Velocity Baton: I wish it either had ALH in the 3rd to pair with AO or had AO in the 3rd to pair with a damage perk or Destabilizing.
Yes I really wanted ALH
Definitely deliberate move by Bungie since ALH is pretty much the universal god roll on Special GLs every time it’s available
Demo is the next best option here IMO
Feeling dumb right now. Whats ALH? I feel like i should know it jut nothing is coming to mind.
@ Autoloading holster. Reading the comment chain now it sounds super goofy if you didn’t know the acronym
@@Lookout1000 yeah ALH feels too... Not generic but like I can think of forty different perks that start with A. They all sorta blend together when thinking about acronyms.
remind aegis abt his titan herald gameplay day 7 (we won’t forget)
my opinion has arrived
lol this isn’t datto
@@Alon_MaorIk its better than datto
This is my opinion for meta, datto's my opinion for the game and Bungie
appreciate the hard work you put in and explain why each weapon is important, great vid!
The best video with the new added tab that´s highly needed, the update log :D
Thank you so much for this vid and spreadsheet! I’m a returning player and I was absolutely stumped as to what weapons are good now.
Aegis blessed us again with his divine wisdom now I can play the game 🙏
Boy after that mathematicians found out the perk distribution of this game is actually bugged i ain't even gonna bother farming for non red borders
Actually, you should be taking advantage of it for some weapons while you still can. VS Velocity Baton from the new dungeon is a good example of a gun where all of the desirable rolls are dropping at a higher than expected rate.
Okay I understand chill is better of a gl but I really wanna see full numbers between rapid fires and adaptive frames bc I really wanna see how much better chill is
You can check his endgame damage meta update video.
rapids got ~7.5% buff compared to last season and now are ~10.3% better than adaptives.
With artifact mod that puts bitter/sweet extremely close to chill inhibitor.
Been waiting for this!!!
Choir is so good beyond just burst damage, can use it as a primary and its amazing in DPS rotation
Yeah it's versatile but I don't think it's a must have for the other purposes
Im just coming back to d2 after a long break, and this is impressive. Applause to you and thank you so much
This is such a neat resource, thank you for putting it together!
Well constructed list!
I use a lot of legendary primaries because I'm not quite good enough to run double special in all content, and man, you're too right on the kinetic slot being ass. Headstone and Hatchling are just TERRIBLE in comparison to Incan, Voltshot, and now Jolting Feedback and Destabilizing Rounds too. And they also lack good 3rd column support perks like Heal Clip and Repulsor Brace. Rimestealer just pales in comparison to Heal Clip it's not even close.
That being said, I am a Fatebringer Enjoyer
I don’t mean to be a broken record about it but please check out explosive light and sticky grenades on edge transit with the recent rework. I got a roll of it myself and the results are quite astonishing, especially with an attrition orbs velocity baton. By my math, for the rounds with EL it does ~15% more than the same roll with spike nades.
What's the damage numbers on both?
@@TheAegisRelic This was my initial findings. The numbers were against the Nessus lost sector major. Ignore the 50 blast radius, I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t anything funny going on with the 100 blast radius given with EL.
Edge el sticky 50 blast
77306 + 1111 = 78,417
Edge el spike 50 blast
59466 + 8328 = 67,794
Edge bs sp 50 blast
43386 + 16998 = 60,384
Normal edge st
43386 + 1744 = 45,130
Normal edge sp
33374 + 13076 = 46,450
Interesting! Will take a look later
I confirmed it on Calus:
40BR edge transit: 28,703+10,967 = 39,670
50BR sticky edge transit: 38,181+1,535 = 39,716
EL edge transit: 52,333+6,515 = 58,848
EL sticky edge: 68032+978 = 69,010
EL spike wicked sister: 52,333+7,329 = 59,662
results in 17.3% buff over base EL or about 15.7% over spike.
Very small buff at base blast radius, but nothing noticeable over spike.
I also helped Aegis update numbers on Templar, so sticky+EL numbers are in the sheet now (it's VERY good burst on edge transit).
Time to grind for the new heavy GL for the 10th time
Check out some of the latest findings about the perk roll weighting and then decide if that’s still worth your time or not
@@BandofMiners oh I saw I’m not farming shit brother
Probably wait for it haha
@@TheAegisRelic not farming until i hear something direct from bungie, there is too much data to pretend its nothing at all
at least cascade + bait isn't that hard to get. not easy, but also not effectively impossible
YEEESS NEW AEGIS VIDEO
Im shocked choir of one isnt higher in like a special DPS classification or like long DPS phases
Post-nerf it's not as incredible as it used to be
Thank you so much for this, as a blueberry, this is invaluable
I'd be really interested in seeing a dedicated video about the endgame meta for weapons and builds in solo content. Would be fun to see how that would differ from the general endgame meta.
Yeah for sure, I might do a solo-oriented damage video series at some point
My favourite destiny youtuber.
It's me, the aggressive fusion rifle guy.
I think you forgot to put Coriolis force on this list Aegis.
I'm petitioning for Bungie to give Coriolis every good fusion perk in upcoming rework.
I love fusions in pvp, it's time for them to be seriously relevant in pve.
Give them a large damage buff as well just for the funsies.
They're going to buff it so it shoots in a huge circle around the enemy, but not really at the enemy itself. But the enemy will be kinda scared for a sec until it realizes its not in danger at all.
@@SpiderReviverwhen the playerbase dips again they’ll put particle deconstruction back on the artifact
5:30, I'm a huge fan of Vex Mytho whenever that role pops up, it's like having 2 guns
Buried Bloodline also weakens on hit if you have devour active
I know it is very situational but its there :)
What are your thoughts on the "perk proximity theory"? It is pretty definitive at this point, and specifically makes an Envious/BnS Chill Inhibitor drop nearly impossible.
he thinks it’s really great because most people generally like this
Yeah it's definitely real at this point
@@TheAegisRelic Not to say he's the only one but it weirdly makes me think of older Cammycakes videos when he's gone through a lot of math about how your chances at getting Trials weapons with "ideal perks" were always extremely miserably low and borderline impossible even if you played nonstop for the entire weekend.
@@thealldayspecialand yet some people will unironically complain crafting is a bad decision that “removed the purpose of the game” and is “too casual friendly”
Holy, 20mins of my favourite Destiny Yapper ! Thanks Yapgis we all say in unison
Add drop shadow. plz, i beg.
Again awesome video ❤
i know there is a tier above high, and i know it just thunderlord
For real
thunderlord isn't there because you don't need someone to tell you to get it, it's just that obvious
I’ve been waiting on this
This video blessed me and I haven’t even watched 2 minutes
With the quality of these excel sheets, he’s gotta be a finance bro in is other life. Lol
Why is Ill Omen good as dps sword, what is the perk combination and combo for that? I can't craft it yet, but I'm using one that has Relentless and Cold Steel just for general play when using Behemoth
Have you tested sticky grenade with explosive light?
Afaik, sticky grenades has no effect on blast radius/impact damage. But merely delays the explosion if shot at the ground.
It should have no effect w/ EL (I believe hynra showed that it does actually work with full court which is neat for pvp).
Big bungie wants to keep the working grinder down by keeping envious bait locked away
Managed to get one on tomorrow's answer and this thing cooks. But it was pain getting impulse+EL or j
Multiple frenzy rolls.
Are the column 3 and 4 perks tied together? Or is any combination of those perks considered a good role
Not any combination, but those are the notable perks in both columns
With how good heavy GL's are I really am liking running Euphony more, I can just dump all my GL shots and then go to running Euphony on strand for more total damage OR run a cascade GL and combine the two in a rotation.
Great work as always, i think it would be helpful a page with exotic class armor and useful roll. I've personally stepped into this problem, and i think many people don't know what the best of them are for speedrun/dayone etc
Yeah I'm considering it
gunpowder gamble seems to not be working with facet of ruin right now..? idk if it's a bug or a flaw with how i was testing it but just wanted to tell someone whos smarter than me so maybe it'd get looked at in the future
Bungie!!!! put particle deconstruction in the next episode’s artifact, and my life is yours!!
Thank you for this man! Could you give an example of where a destab+rep brace velocity baton would be used over an Attrition orbs one?
If you're on Gyrfalcon's or something similar
I completely forgot we were getting another rocket sidearm from iron banner. That means I actually have to go play Iron banner again
i will like to have you know, my perfect paradox is not only relvant on melee builds! i am consistently the highest dpsing person in my warlord's ruin runs (unless my friend is a titan with hazardous and grand overture)! and i'm not even running a melee focused build as a warlock!
If you're outdamaging a GO with Actium/whatever on a special weapon I think the person on the heavy weapon may be doing something incorrectly
@TheAegisRelic I'm sorry, actium/whatever???
@@forgottenprincechara5356 Actium or Hazardous or SES/Eternal or whatever armor the titan is on
@@TheAegisRelic I ain't no Titan main, but if you're using actium with GO for dps in warlord, there's clearly a reason why I might even pass you in damage. Usually with my friend who runs what I listed (GO with hazardous) he pulls ahead by a Mil, however he's gotta get both his rockets and the volley ready, alongside any orbs he needs for surges, and his super. I just need my super and orbs
one of my first drops for chill inhibitor was ea/b&s. didn't know it was rare until i saw weight-gate stuff. i don't like my masterwork, magazine, or barrel and it feels so sluggish.
where did you talk about that exotic special thing you mentioned at 18:35? i remeber it slightly but im forgetting when you talke about it
Just occasionally I mention it in other videos, I probably talk about it in the most recent double special video
@@TheAegisRelic im actually suprised that was only* 4 months ago, thanks for the answer though.
Why isn't FTTC listed for your lucky pants hand cannons? Is it because of the change to lucky pants? Is it now best to stop and reload before hitting max stacks?
26 mag is full LP dump, can reach w/o FTTC
Just got a velocity baton with demo and attrition orbs today and its an orb waterfall
i'm sort of new to the game so i'm sorry if this sounds stupid but why is choir of one only low priority? i thought it would be medium atleast because the ads mode can do ad clear like a machine gun with infinite ammo because of special finisher and it has a hipfire mode that can do burst dps so you have 2 roles on 1 weapon. it's also special ammo so you can generate heavy ammo with it.
It's a great choice for neutral play just not a top priority for endgame content
Banger
Christmas in October
Chat is an envious b&s bitter sweet better than a cascade b&s chill inhibitor
Different rolls for different situations (also chill inhibitor can get env+BnS as well).
env is better for more sustained rotations while cascade is better for burst or more niche rotations that can consistently reload gun quickly (RoF, impetus shurikens, etc.).
Also different elements, stasis doesn't have many great rotation options while arc has a few. So, keeping a bitter/sweet with good roll is still useful.
@@SpiderReviver I have that roll of bittersweet and have envious explosive light chill inhibitor. Would like to know this as well lol?
In terms of a 1-1 comparison between bitter sweet & inhibitor inhibitor is better. Rapid fire frames are better then adaptives but have for the longest time lacked good perks, but this doesn’t meant bitter sweet is bad, it’s better then edge transit right now because envious assassin is broken. For an example in something with surges, I would rather use bitter sweet over chill inhibitor if there’s an arc surge and no stasis surge.
TLDR: Inhibitor is better but they are both still very good .
@@XxXxXKEIFERXxXxX Explosive light is a large buff to gls (roughly 50% iirc).
But you only get it for 7 shots.
Amazing for burst dps, but falls off for sustained dps even compared to something consistent like frenzy.
@@SpiderReviver yeah was bummed out I was so close lol.
Also I think it would be good to have an exotic primary kinetic slot ranking.
I mean there sort of is one in the video but it's just like four
what do you recommend having in the kinetic slot alongside velocity baton? it seems like kinetic primaries are pretty low priority so i wasnt sure
Really activity or build-dependent
Thank you Aegis, very cool. I do wanna ask though, are you doing a fragment or aspect tier list anytime soon?
Already did
@TheAegisRelic What about one with post-final-shape updates and the new prismatic fragments and aspects?
Yeah I updated them but didn't make a video haha
Function focus was a good decision. I found that doing harder content made me think in terms of function much more than anything else.
P.S. kind of niche, but is riskrunner not on the shopping list? Still seems somewhat relevant wherever it can consistently proc.
For column 2 on Ergo Sum, why don't you put in good sword frames? I'm sure some are better than others
Sure
Hey is there a way I can get your wish list link for Dim somewhere? Thanks
There's some people in my Discord server that have made one
Bro doesn’t understand how strong envious arsenal bait and switch is on tomorrows answer
I was the only person I knew advocating for Tomorrow's Answer as the best rocket in the game when its perk pool was revealed in the API :)
God damn Excel wizards 😂❤
Going for a demo attrition orbs Baton. 138 runs over two days. 11 drops of the gl itself. None of them being it. It's a 6% drops chance
I don't know who cursed me with rng so bad it's over double the average for two to drop, but I will find you, and I will hurt you
You're welcome to disagree, but I think you're sleeping on Icebreaker a bit. IMHO, (and maybe it's because I'm just cracked out of my mind with snipers) but I genuinely believe Icebreaker is one of the best ad clear weapons in the game. When I can land back to back headshots on red bars in a raid or GM, I'll usually clear them faster than I could with even sunshot. Not to mention, I think it's optimal in envious arsenal DPS rotations. Realistically, I'm only shooting 1 shot from my other weapons, because most of my dps comes from the GL anyway. However, it does the most damage per 1 shot (outside izi) of any special ammo sniper. Plus, you get the added bonus that it's hyper ammo efficient with double special.
I, personally, have been steam rolling with icebreaker + rocket sidearm on prismatic titan.
I'll try it out more over the coming weeks!
If I need to run an exotic heavy, what are some recommendations you have to fill out my kinetic and energy slot? Like strand rocket sidearm with an energy primary? Or is double special the play?
Depends on content/build.
During contest dungeon I ran zauoli's with an area denial gl (mostly to build transendence).
But plenty of gm speedruns will run double rocket sidearm since they are good for transcendence and still pretty ammo efficient.
During most other content I can run consecration with ergo sum + until its return/the call and have 0 ammo issues.
If your build is ability focused, double special is still great. If it's weapon focused (like many prismatic warlock builds for example) you probably would consider a primary.
Hey Boss!
I have a question if you for you mister relic :
Should i use Tractor and dps with a special, or a special with Weakening Gaze and dps with a heavy?
also, thank you for your vids! you're giving me great motivation, and me and my buddys managed to clear our first contest, as well as a couple of cool chalenges like trio flawless raids :D
Tractor is a 30% debuff so they're not really comparable, I would say this season since you have Concussive Reload weaken so readily available it's either that or Tractor
Hey, thanks for the "tierlist" if we can call it like that do you think the new exotic gl can replace mountaintop since it allows the player to bump himself?
Yeah if you don't have ammo it's good
Why would I want chill inhibitor or velocity baton when I could just get boots instead?
True
will you do a video on the perk combination issues bud?
Probably not I don't have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion
Oh Aegis Mine
While I know the nerf to lp was targeted towards boss dps, it pains me to see it's viability into gm level content or even legendary lost sectors be hurt. Before the chnages you could at least kill one champion in one lp activation with a god roll wardens law. Nowdays I have to stun them twice to finish them off and the little viability other hand cannons had with the exception of burst frame and malfeacense plumeted to the ground. I guess it's just the primary dps exotic now
It looks like 225 HCs are still going to even stronger than before
i personally think bitter/sweet is flat out better than chill inhibitor in terms of dps i dont understand the hype i personally think a few adaptives are better than chill inhibitor... envious arsenal cascade point bitter/sweet paired with cloudstrike is nuts since both are arc and you can skip the reload animation.
It’s the archetype that makes it statistically better.
Everything always just depends on paring combo.
Bitter/Sweet really does fill the hole Arc had in the heavy GL category.
VS Chill Inhibitor also filled the hole Stasis had in the heavy GL category.
Then the truth of the matter is that it doesn’t matter because all people are doing is min/maxing when regardless you can 1-2 phase most everything without optimizing and only a couple times out of a hundred would it make a difference.
Dang all this build up for icebreaker just to be a nostalgia niche pick at best
Finally, I don't need to be worried about getting kicked for using meh weapons for dmg in lfgs🎉
Could I ask why people use the kinetic slot for a 12 punch shotgun? I am trying to make that build but it seems like you'd wanna use that slot for navigator?
After you place navigator point you can always swap off and keep majority of special.
Kinetic slot also has perfect paradox which is the best 12p shotgun and swordbreaker if you need a strand option (pairs nicely with thread of propagation or the equivalent prismatic fragment).
Basically, boss dps scenarios you can just swap to using perfect after placing grapple point or for neutral game it doesn't see as much play since strand titan has been overshadowed for gm speeds and other neutral game areas.
Also people tend to use exotic energy primary so that's a thing too
what are your thoughts on Last Word now that the bugged damage has been retained as a buff? (according to the patch notes). fairly certain it's better than wardens law for lucky pants now
Yep, better than warden's. Check his damage sheet. Swap tab has relevant lucky pants entries.
Only closely beaten by eriana's + warden's law pre-stacking the lucky pants buff.
It does require a dodge or quick reload though (impetus shuriken for example).
What makes chill inhibitor better than other gls like edge transit, just the faster fire rate and deeper reserves? Also what perks are you looking for on it?
Rapid fires have slightly better dps.
Main thing for chill inhibitor vs. edge transit is envious arsenal is way more generally applicable than assassin.
Too many ways for assassin to lose its stack before going into a damage phase compared to arsenal proccing on every rotation.
5/5 roll: Quick launch, spike (use backup mag to get 8 in the mag), envious arsenal, BnS, Handling MW.
Can replace arsenal with cascade point for burst dps (EL also great for burst dps) and more niche rotations with good reload options (RoF, impetus, etc.).
Velocity Baton and not lost signal ur a true chad
have you tested bitter/sweet with the artifact mods vs chill inhibitor. I know that chill inhibitor is better right now i was just wondering how bitter/sweet did with the artifact mods
iirc rapid-fire have ~10% better dps.
Artifact mod "Conductive Cosmic Crystal" is a 10% boost to damage (with tonic). So, bitter/sweet should be pretty much equivalent to chill inhibitor if you keep enemy stasis debuffed.
You were saying its quite niche to run a primary kinetic weapon yet you highly reccomend the new breach grenade launcher from the new dungeon. What weapon would you reccomend used in the kinetic slot paired with said grenade launcher (or something like aberrant)
The Call/Tinasha's Mastery are both valid options for that slot.
Rocket sidearms even post-nerf have enough ammo for most things that have rally flags.
@SpiderReviver So double special is still totally viable? I thought Aegis mentioned in the vid that it was a little more difficult with the reserve nerfs.
A shotgun for damage or mountaintop. Maybe rocket side arm if Titan
@@qualityqontent337it is more difficult, but that doesn’t mean not viable, just compared to what it used to be it’s more difficult. Double special has always been viable just run special finisher and scav mods, and if you have a dps phase just swap loadouts
@@qualityqontent337 Highly dependent on build & situation.
I use consecration titan with stuff like ergo sum & until its return (or the call) and never run into ammo problems even over long activities like gms.
However, if you rely more on weapons, sidearm reserve nerf hurts a lot.
It's no longer an easy always viable choice, but much more situational depending on activity & loadout.
Oh god there's gonna be all that talk about roll combos being bugged/rigged in the comments here too isn't there
A lot of people are thinking the void area denial is gonna have attrition orbs gutted, but imo they put those two perks together VERY VERY on purpose lol
Can’t handle facts?
not even "bugged/rigged" just actually hard evidence that bungies system for perk weighing is flawed and has been for a very long time, we just never looked to hard into it until now
hey, so is the last word still damage viable with lucky pants? they said they kept the accidental damage increase in pve right?
Yeah, will make rotations soon
能不能出一期关于泰坦的配装，因为现在主流的全是棱晶泰坦，包括虚空游隼腿，我也玩了很久但是我已经非常非常腻了，关于配装其实我自己也在尝试创新，所以就是想问问你有没有更好的见解。
Yeah I'll do build videos at some point, not soon though
Why are the colors inverted? Messed with my head for a second there haha
thanks for this
Dark Reader extension
How would Lumina fit into this list especially since you had the healing auto rifle on there? Would it be suitable as an alternative, or is it not worth the exotic slot over other options?
I think it's an alright alternative.
Hard to argue for the exotic slot since it only gives 35% empowering buff (which is effectively 8% buff over radiant).
But, it still has it's use. Still good for speedrunners (especially for lumina grappling) and for general dps situations for an extra damage boost.
Would mainly use it when you need a small dps boost and neutral game/survivability isn't an issue.
Lumina lost a lot of value post-No Hesitation release but it's still useful in some cases (like when you don't have a Well)
My new opinion looking pretty fire 🐻🐻 (on a side note, Mr Aegis, what is your opinion on talk tuah 🤔🤔)
Aegis, would it be possible to add desired exotic class item rolls to your spreadsheet?
I know he thought about it in the past, but didn't really want to rank 192 possible combinations.
It could be worth to list maybe top 3-5 rolls on each class since that would be a less arduous process.
Yeah I might do like a best of
Is there a list of the top weapons for each type? I need to clean my vault
Yeah same spreadsheet
@@TheAegisRelic appreciate it
FINALLY BRO