Thanks for this video. I havent enjoyed any damage rotations since the double slug meta during DSC launch or the Izi + Precision Rocket during Vow. Those felt fun to use because it's mainly gunplay. Since then, the damage rotation metas have trended towards ability usage or fragments to take advantage of reload tech. I've just opted to use consistent, easy strats because learning a certain swap meta seems useless due to inevitable nerfs. For example, the sanguine swap, while it is easy to use, will probably get nerfed going into episode 3 due to the seemingly unintended nature of it. For now, an eternal warrior + star-eater tcrash with bitter-sweet seems like the easiest brain off pick with the current artifact mods.
for choir of one i believe the firerate actually increases if you tap fire it with the right rhythm, it's a little bit faster, maybe not enough to shift the balance of the rankings but a fun tidbit of information otherwise (applies to both projectile and hitscan modes)
If anything, the amount of time you put into these videos is concrete proof that we need a shooting range with different targets including a 10 million health raid boss tier target. Though im pretty sure we would already have one if bungie werent the way they are.
I wonder how Bungie will tackle elemental damage buffs in the artifact from next episode onwards, especially since Sanguine's rework made everyone a bit more aware of the double dipping effect on weapons inside your own well. It also doesn't help that Facet of Courage boosts weapon damage inside a well, alongside Prismatic Warlock having a fairly easy way to apply sever/unraveling and therefore proc this fragment. All people have to do each episode is switch the super of their prismatic swap to match the current trendy heavy weapon (as long as it does light aligned damage), and then just go all out in combining ability AND weapon damage buffs to boost their weapons.
For Euphony, I really like to pair it with a cascade gl because unlike Cloudstrike which requires a couple of shots to proc cascade point, Euphony only requires either just 1 full burst of crits or only 2 crits of the burst, but can't remember.
Euphony & Wicked Combo is WILD 🎮🎮🥳🥳✌🏽✌🏽 Appreciate Appreciate the Testing as ALWAYS!! & I had no idea Bastion was such a decent Total Damage option, now I'm wondering which Builds I can use to Spam Melees on My Hunter for Decent Boss Damage 🤔🤔
Hey Ive been thinking about asking this for a few days and finally remembered! Have you considered maintaining a DIM wishlist so this stuff is super accessible? I know I for one would trust your list more than anyone else's. Could be another way to get your name out there even more as well! Either way I truly appreciate what you do for the Destiny endgame community ❤
Hey Aegis what do you think the best warlock options are here if you factor out the artefact? Tomorrow’s ice breaker? Or something with chill inhibitor?
I’ve been using bastion on song of flame with a apotheosis syntho class item. While syntho won’t up your melee damage in super it does in transcendence and apotheosis with gaining more ignitions in song of flame with bastion. I wanna test its potency on normal solar with the option to swap speakers sight into apotheosis for damage phases. Potentially dawn chorus as well.
I was thinking about a Cascade Deadlock but its archetype makes the farm probably not worth it, for a shorter rotation Foetracer is definitely better though since you don't need the third full reload
At 25:25 you mention the Bipod Tomorrow's Answer having access to 18 rockets "on its Adept version" - am I missing something because I thought Adept didn't really make a difference seeing as we can enhance normal versions. What does Adept add to make it worth grinding for?
Adept trials weapons get 2 perks in the last column. You can get bipod+BnS as those 2 perks. You can rally on bipod and swap to BnS for extra free rockets (this is likely unintended, but it does currently still work).
I've got one, and Euphony procs Cascade Point with a single burst. Shame Aegis couldn't fully test it so idk how it's DPS compares, but the non-surge matching Bitter/Sweet apparently only did a little better with Cascade, so it probably is the same story. Cascade at least FEELS quite good though with it. If nothing else, Cascade Point makes it fantastic at nuking minibosses/champs in Nightfalls and stuff.
Human beings (and aliens), how is this rotation using god roll Tinasha's Mastery (Air Trigger/Chill Clip) instead of Liturgy? i have a Tinasha's god roll and i was wondering if works well the same way or nay?
waiting for next season's refreshed vog adept hezen vengeance with envious arsenal in the left column and bipod BnS & surrounded in the 4th column, and a solar artefact. Hopefully rockets will be back as their rotations are more elegant imo than the GL ones we have had since into the light.
I would love to run the liturgy/ex/bitter rotation but I can’t get the bitter role to drop. The role doesn’t exist for me. Thinking about giving up on it because it most likely gonna phase out of the meta next episode and the tonic system sucks.
Ex Diris has a frenzy mechanic where if you reach critical health it shoots faster (or you can build up its fire rate by doing damage with it), in the Well one I actually didn't get myself low enough so it was kinda pointless (although it ended up saving my BnS timings, which is a bit more complicated to explain), but in the Thundercrash one I shot twice which was enough
@@TheAegisRelic ohhhh, got it. i just went and got ex diris from the kiosk, now to grind and pray I get the god roll bitter sweet. Thanks for the info man
Hey Aegis question, I noticed the playlist of the rotations and haven't had time to check all of them, but is there another place to get a rundown of all these rotations or just sus it out from the playlist? Edit-woop shoulda watched to the very end first.
Is there a risk of this video being outdated when new artifact mods in act 3 release? Perhaps you could specify this is up to date as of act 2? Genuine questions I don't mean to backseat
with the two lucky pants rotations being more novel (which i appreciate)....where would a regular lucky pants rotation with just a heavy burst handcannon land? are they completely outclassed by last word and the eriana swap?
The weakening effect of grenade launchers, does it stack with the blinding buff obtained with arc weapons? I know Liturgy can run disorienting grenades and Ex Diris can blind on its own so I'm wondering if Bitter/Sweet with those two benefit from it. Is weakening 15% and blinding 8%? Ed: One thing you might have not considered: Empowering Rift on Warlocks STACK with Sanguine Alchemy and Well of Radiance, that's another 20% added to the mix xD
Blinding buff (Arc Compounding) is a stacking buff, so it will stack with everything. Weaken is a standard debuff so it stacks with everything else besides standard debuffs (basically just weaken, tractor, and tether are considered standard debuffs). Liturgy disorienting grenades don't actually blind (blind is a subclass verb while disorienting is a special other property). The blinding artifact mod is a 15% boost not 8%. Empowering rift does not stack with well of radiance. It is considered an empowering buff (radiant, well, empowering rifts, bubble, lumina, etc.) so the game just defaults to using whichever is the highest buff %. (Empowering used to stack with radiant way back in season of the haunted, but that was an unintended bug). Sanguine on the other hand is a 10% buff that stacks with everything. You can find somebody called Court who maintains a thorough spreadsheet/infographic of various stuff that do and don't stack together.
@@SpiderReviver Ohh, so using Empowering rift with Sanguine inside a Well does nothing? It only extends the duration of the rift by killing ads but you don't get the 20% extra damage, got it. So then the Liturgy we need only requires EA with Chill clip, Ex Diris and Bitter Sweet...put the well down, switch to Prismatic with Arc and that's it? That's neat. Thank you so much for all the explanation. Man, Alchemy will get nerfed at this rate...
Question: Mr.Aegis Why did the chill inhibitor and last word have auto reload while you didn’t use melee or dodge to reload Last word after Luck pants ran out Σ('◉⌓◉’)
as someone who doesn't know too much about damage rotations, can someone explain #2 to me? Obviously you have cascade point on the gl and 4th horse fires stupid fast, but what does surrounded mean and how is the 4th horse auto reloading?
Hey Aegis, amazing vid. One question, how do you arrive at these total numbers? Is it total possible dmg dumping all ammo? Cos I’ve never gotten anywhere near this much ( currently trying strats for speedrunning Warlords Ruin ) and dumping everything doesn’t get me anywhere close to this. Is there a different scaling on Templar or am I just shit? ( it’s the latter… I’m sure ) thnx!
Unrelated question, but have you ever tested the total damage of Twilight Arsenal? By this I mean the 3 throws, followed by the 3 relics with 9 light attacks and one heavy each.
He has twilight arsenal numbers in full in his spreadsheet. Super does 683,866 Light attack does 28,481 Heavy does 106,257 683,866+9*28,481+3*106,257 = 1,258,966 damage That being said the axe relics have such a long animation that you should really only use them to refresh weaken (via heavy attack) and the light attack is basically never worth using over just shooting more weapons.
Absolutely in love with the Liturgy/Ex Diris/Bitter Sweet rotation, so much fun
Halarious seeing lfg’s flip their shit.
What’s the god roll for liturgy👀
@@cfcbailey7583for stasis builds for boss damage
@@cfcbailey7583envious chill clip
@@cfcbailey7583 envious arsenal, chill clip
Nice to see Thunderlord is still the best
Peak
John LFG is absorbing this power
lazykb sighting
John LFG cooks
Good god he is doing the research, learning the methods
I will look at all of these and continue to pick the option of microcosm beaming
Thunderlord 2: Kenetic Boogaloo
aka: holding left click rotation
@ you have to cast super aswell🙄
truly the goat
expecting lfg performance to rise about 87% from this video
Implying LFG watches videos or tries to improve.
he did not fall off 🔥🔥🔥
Bungie did instead
he jumped it himself 🔥🔥(after every testing on templar is done)
Aegis when it comes to carrying the D2 community:
-insert random Lebron highlights
Tomorrow's Ice Breaker actually goes hard as a name.
5:20 Ah yes TheAegisRelic banner of war combo 🔥
Truly gameplay worthy of Contest mode Herald
Do you think he will use it in Herald of finality for a world record attempt? 🤩
IT'S ALL OVER THE SCREEN.
and my keyboard
The names you came up with for all the rotations were appreciated
Ex Diris going from zero to hero brings me so much joy! :D
The Legend strikes again! Thank you so much for all you do for the community ❤
The real hero of damage rotations! Thanks for the video.
I appreciate you taking the time to sort this all out for us.
Thank you very much Aegis for you well done interesting Ranking of DPS rotations and all you do for the community
13:38 chicken si-2 come back we miss you :(
I need his cooks. He was one of the main people 8 watched for my hunter rotations
My goat of Warden's Law rotations. I wish he'd come back with some Last Word rotations
Where did he go?
Thanks for this video. I havent enjoyed any damage rotations since the double slug meta during DSC launch or the Izi + Precision Rocket during Vow. Those felt fun to use because it's mainly gunplay. Since then, the damage rotation metas have trended towards ability usage or fragments to take advantage of reload tech. I've just opted to use consistent, easy strats because learning a certain swap meta seems useless due to inevitable nerfs. For example, the sanguine swap, while it is easy to use, will probably get nerfed going into episode 3 due to the seemingly unintended nature of it. For now, an eternal warrior + star-eater tcrash with bitter-sweet seems like the easiest brain off pick with the current artifact mods.
The biggest achievement of all this work is proper Chapters in this video.
i jk, gr8 work! The biggest Destiny word salad to date!
for choir of one i believe the firerate actually increases if you tap fire it with the right rhythm, it's a little bit faster, maybe not enough to shift the balance of the rankings but a fun tidbit of information otherwise (applies to both projectile and hitscan modes)
Interesting :P
your doing gods work man, keep it up!
banger vid, thanks for all the effort you put in
Man goes so hard just for all of us to use Thrunderlord.
If anything, the amount of time you put into these videos is concrete proof that we need a shooting range with different targets including a 10 million health raid boss tier target.
Though im pretty sure we would already have one if bungie werent the way they are.
I wonder how Bungie will tackle elemental damage buffs in the artifact from next episode onwards, especially since Sanguine's rework made everyone a bit more aware of the double dipping effect on weapons inside your own well. It also doesn't help that Facet of Courage boosts weapon damage inside a well, alongside Prismatic Warlock having a fairly easy way to apply sever/unraveling and therefore proc this fragment.
All people have to do each episode is switch the super of their prismatic swap to match the current trendy heavy weapon (as long as it does light aligned damage), and then just go all out in combining ability AND weapon damage buffs to boost their weapons.
doing gods work my guy
Thank you for your tremendous effort.
The last word rotation was amazing ❤ Ppl finally wont kick me to orbit after wiping for dmg
my beloved until its return ... i invested in you week 1 of deep ...
Goated payoff
For Euphony, I really like to pair it with a cascade gl because unlike Cloudstrike which requires a couple of shots to proc cascade point, Euphony only requires either just 1 full burst of crits or only 2 crits of the burst, but can't remember.
new opinions just dropped
Facts* you watch datto for opinions
GG, always appreciate your videos 👍
Euphony & Wicked Combo is WILD 🎮🎮🥳🥳✌🏽✌🏽 Appreciate Appreciate the Testing as ALWAYS!! & I had no idea Bastion was such a decent Total Damage option, now I'm wondering which Builds I can use to Spam Melees on My Hunter for Decent Boss Damage 🤔🤔
Last night I just got my first Chill clip Liturgy and lucky it had envious arsenal! Finally do the rotations i want!
I have been trying all season it will just not give me envious arsenal
Nice video again bro ❤
I love all these ridiculous looking rotations, they're my favorite
Very nice job man
Hey Ive been thinking about asking this for a few days and finally remembered! Have you considered maintaining a DIM wishlist so this stuff is super accessible? I know I for one would trust your list more than anyone else's. Could be another way to get your name out there even more as well! Either way I truly appreciate what you do for the Destiny endgame community ❤
There's someone in my Discord server that maintains a wish list matching the tier lists
Hey Aegis what do you think the best warlock options are here if you factor out the artefact?
Tomorrow’s ice breaker?
Or something with chill inhibitor?
Could be either, obviously one needs Gjally though
Very informative vid my short king
I'm here for the in game chat banter
New vid idea: "testing every banable offense to see wich one gets me banned the fastest"
“Screenshots are actually in first place, due to how much of an unfair advantage they offer.” - Aegis, if he makes the video
Love this type of video
Thanks for the great damage vid
Its finally out!!! :DDD WOOOOOO!!
Appreciate this boss man
So appreciate this video.
I’ve been using bastion on song of flame with a apotheosis syntho class item. While syntho won’t up your melee damage in super it does in transcendence and apotheosis with gaining more ignitions in song of flame with bastion. I wanna test its potency on normal solar with the option to swap speakers sight into apotheosis for damage phases. Potentially dawn chorus as well.
God tier content 🎉
Bro the quality of this video is insanely high
Thank you!
im the no repreive fan btw ive been waiting for this rotation #15 my whole career since plunder shoutout
Glad you got some representation haha
Thanks for the numbers.
Is Bakris or foetracer relevant for horseman impetus inhibitor to give a 3/4 surge to horseman inhibitor and potentially a cascade deadlock?
I was thinking about a Cascade Deadlock but its archetype makes the farm probably not worth it, for a shorter rotation Foetracer is definitely better though since you don't need the third full reload
Very detailed thanks
Finally, my loadouts for boss encounters have arrived!
I've been having a lot of fun with a Tina's/ Icebreaker/ Chill Inhibitor swap with SES/ Foetracer S&S.
At 25:25 you mention the Bipod Tomorrow's Answer having access to 18 rockets "on its Adept version" - am I missing something because I thought Adept didn't really make a difference seeing as we can enhance normal versions. What does Adept add to make it worth grinding for?
Adept trials weapons get 2 perks in the last column.
You can get bipod+BnS as those 2 perks.
You can rally on bipod and swap to BnS for extra free rockets (this is likely unintended, but it does currently still work).
@SpiderReviver oh I see, thanks for clarifying. Yeah that'll probably get 'fixed' like they did envious assassin by nuking it if you swap loadouts
Yupp, another great video
So what you’re saying is use Thunderlord? Got it.
YEP
I always knew ex diris would have its time
I did happen to get an Envious/Cascade Wicked Sister so now I am curious about it.
I've got one, and Euphony procs Cascade Point with a single burst. Shame Aegis couldn't fully test it so idk how it's DPS compares, but the non-surge matching Bitter/Sweet apparently only did a little better with Cascade, so it probably is the same story. Cascade at least FEELS quite good though with it. If nothing else, Cascade Point makes it fantastic at nuking minibosses/champs in Nightfalls and stuff.
Damn that’s a nice roll
Human beings (and aliens), how is this rotation using god roll Tinasha's Mastery (Air Trigger/Chill Clip) instead of Liturgy? i have a Tinasha's god roll and i was wondering if works well the same way or nay?
You can it'll just be a bit less damage
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks for carrying our community Aegis Shield!!! 😭
For the bitter sweet rotation is bait and switch or jolting feedback better with envious😊
BnS
Jolting feedback is not a dps perk.
AMAZE THANK
Aaaand to reveal the best rotation in the game...gets banned
Glad you're back🎉
Quality work as always sir, if you have time, could we get some armour mod suggestions for the Liturgy/Ex Diris/Bitter Sweet rotation?
It's just targeting/dex/arc reserves/stasis surges/time dilation, nothing too crazy
@@TheAegisRelic thanks mate
waiting for next season's refreshed vog adept hezen vengeance with envious arsenal in the left column and bipod BnS & surrounded in the 4th column, and a solar artefact. Hopefully rockets will be back as their rotations are more elegant imo than the GL ones we have had since into the light.
Why does my dps class get out damaged by the healing class? 🤔
the sanguine buffs were so good
peak posted again
You're a legend for all the testing. What exotic did you use for euphony and euphony gl rotation, if not apotheosis?
Sanguine
@@TheAegisRelic ahh ok, cheers mate :D
just started watching, is Dead Man's Tale with Unlucky Arms #1 yet?
I would love to run the liturgy/ex/bitter rotation but I can’t get the bitter role to drop. The role doesn’t exist for me. Thinking about giving up on it because it most likely gonna phase out of the meta next episode and the tonic system sucks.
What’s the liturgy roll I should be going for? Envious arsenal and what?
Chill/Spike
@@TheAegisRelic perfect I already got it, thank u sir!
mountaintop + grand overture + stareater & eternal warrior & tonic to reload
im still a bit new to the destiny scene and am confused as to why you shoot yourself with ex diris first before the damage rotation?
Ex Diris has a frenzy mechanic where if you reach critical health it shoots faster (or you can build up its fire rate by doing damage with it), in the Well one I actually didn't get myself low enough so it was kinda pointless (although it ended up saving my BnS timings, which is a bit more complicated to explain), but in the Thundercrash one I shot twice which was enough
@@TheAegisRelic ohhhh, got it. i just went and got ex diris from the kiosk, now to grind and pray I get the god roll bitter sweet. Thanks for the info man
Hey Aegis question, I noticed the playlist of the rotations and haven't had time to check all of them, but is there another place to get a rundown of all these rotations or just sus it out from the playlist? Edit-woop shoulda watched to the very end first.
27:33 why the shot to your feet to start?
Ex Diris frenzy mechanic, didn't get myself to crit though
It always comes back to well somehow
Is there a risk of this video being outdated when new artifact mods in act 3 release? Perhaps you could specify this is up to date as of act 2? Genuine questions I don't mean to backseat
perhaps, but we would need to get another crazy dmg perk for any substantial changes
I doubt it but I might add or update a few if there's some crazy mods coming
@@TheAegisRelic Honestly, I hope they do
What roll are you using on Until Its Return? ALH + Cascade?
Yep yep
@ what about omniscient eye?
Envious/Vorpal
100% subscribed
Only aegis would be looking to optimise the damage optimisation video 😂
Bro thank you for not actually getting banned fr
I was so scared you were gonna turn out to be a pve Bakken
with the two lucky pants rotations being more novel (which i appreciate)....where would a regular lucky pants rotation with just a heavy burst handcannon land? are they completely outclassed by last word and the eriana swap?
Probably somewhere near the middle of the list
The weakening effect of grenade launchers, does it stack with the blinding buff obtained with arc weapons? I know Liturgy can run disorienting grenades and Ex Diris can blind on its own so I'm wondering if Bitter/Sweet with those two benefit from it. Is weakening 15% and blinding 8%?
Ed: One thing you might have not considered: Empowering Rift on Warlocks STACK with Sanguine Alchemy and Well of Radiance, that's another 20% added to the mix xD
Blinding buff (Arc Compounding) is a stacking buff, so it will stack with everything. Weaken is a standard debuff so it stacks with everything else besides standard debuffs (basically just weaken, tractor, and tether are considered standard debuffs).
Liturgy disorienting grenades don't actually blind (blind is a subclass verb while disorienting is a special other property).
The blinding artifact mod is a 15% boost not 8%.
Empowering rift does not stack with well of radiance. It is considered an empowering buff (radiant, well, empowering rifts, bubble, lumina, etc.) so the game just defaults to using whichever is the highest buff %. (Empowering used to stack with radiant way back in season of the haunted, but that was an unintended bug).
Sanguine on the other hand is a 10% buff that stacks with everything.
You can find somebody called Court who maintains a thorough spreadsheet/infographic of various stuff that do and don't stack together.
@@SpiderReviver Ohh, so using Empowering rift with Sanguine inside a Well does nothing? It only extends the duration of the rift by killing ads but you don't get the 20% extra damage, got it. So then the Liturgy we need only requires EA with Chill clip, Ex Diris and Bitter Sweet...put the well down, switch to Prismatic with Arc and that's it? That's neat. Thank you so much for all the explanation. Man, Alchemy will get nerfed at this rate...
Question: Mr.Aegis Why did the chill inhibitor and last word have auto reload while you didn’t use melee or dodge to reload Last word after Luck pants ran out Σ('◉⌓◉’)
I used a melee, watch again :P
Or you might not know that Impetus reloads all of your weapons
@@TheAegisRelicMe is such a dummy I thought it only reloads the weapon I am holding
it doesn't make sense for plenty of reasons but I'm curious how witherhoard + velocity baton + envious bns tomorrows would work
Need to stow an Envious Arsenal weapon before it can load sadly
as someone who doesn't know too much about damage rotations, can someone explain #2 to me? Obviously you have cascade point on the gl and 4th horse fires stupid fast, but what does surrounded mean and how is the 4th horse auto reloading?
The VS has Surrounded and the Horseman is reloaded using Whisper of Impetus
29:46 clown cartridge would probably be better if you really were going to try use a surrounded crux in a team setting
Yeah you could, I have a Clown + Surrounded/Bipod roll as well if that ever takes off :P
Hey Aegis, amazing vid. One question, how do you arrive at these total numbers? Is it total possible dmg dumping all ammo? Cos I’ve never gotten anywhere near this much ( currently trying strats for speedrunning Warlords Ruin ) and dumping everything doesn’t get me anywhere close to this. Is there a different scaling on Templar or am I just shit? ( it’s the latter… I’m sure ) thnx!
It's with Lumina + support auto, if you want just the regular numbers from the video those are also there
@ ok, thanks for replying!
Have you tried ranking DN?
I cant fucking wait to see the Ex Deeznuts rotation in lfg raids
I’ve had the tonic on the entire season and still haven’t seen envious/BNS on bittersweet 🤷
GG
I've seen it twice but without spike nades sad af
Or as I like to call a lot of these rotations "I paid for the whole Guardian so I'm going to use the whole Guardian".
What perks are on the liturgy for #3 auto/chill? Then what did you have on bittersweet ?/BnS
Nvm light gg answered for me EA / CC
Unrelated question, but have you ever tested the total damage of Twilight Arsenal? By this I mean the 3 throws, followed by the 3 relics with 9 light attacks and one heavy each.
He has twilight arsenal numbers in full in his spreadsheet.
Super does 683,866
Light attack does 28,481
Heavy does 106,257
683,866+9*28,481+3*106,257 = 1,258,966 damage
That being said the axe relics have such a long animation that you should really only use them to refresh weaken (via heavy attack) and the light attack is basically never worth using over just shooting more weapons.
do you think that mistral lift will be worth anything? withering gaze + bait and switch seems interesting if nothing else
Nah
I cannot get the goddamn bittersweet
Make yourself a good craftable outbreak