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Not me discovering Zelph On The Shelf a few hours ago, just getting through the 10 tabs of your videos, only to go back to my home page and see ya'll had just posted a video 4 minutes ago?! Insane. Hi from SLC
it’s crazy cause you guys are getting me through my education here at byui lol. i literally am listening to you guys in the ivy. thank you so much for giving us this supportive content:))
I am currently surviving BYU Provo. My bishop knows I don't believe but they believe that if I stay at BYU I will reconvert so they keep renewing my ecclesiastical endorsement.
Don’t be afraid to play the game if it would put you in a bad situation to continue telling them the truth. You can disavow as soon as you get those college credits (and an independent income from parents that might be holding financials over your head). It’s well and good to stand on principle until you’re hungry. Just take care of yourself 💜 your cared about!
@@LoudLeo3 My home bishop knew and he told my YSA bishop so there was no getting around it. The bishops have to update each other when a new member enters the ward (at BYU) So there was no lying my way through it. I am hoping to find a way to transfer to UVU at some point. (but the BYU tuition makes it semi difficult to convince my parents that it is a good idea.)
@@Wrynndoesntpost that’s just so unfair, it feels like it should be illegal to do to young people. I still say if you suddenly took a hike near a mountain and hear ‘God’s’ voice call out to you in the wilderness, giving you a new testimony, they’d buy it. if you can act and make it seem like their idea, they’d love to buy in. They saving your ‘wayward’ soul they’d want credit for that if nothing else. I’m old now so for me it’s easy to say play the game without a moment of guilt. I just want you to know if you need to hear it, God is not going to punish you for lying to charlatans (If you still believe in JC just not the church). I made it through my last two years after realizing I was queer (and couldn’t fix it) but that’s only because I was able to compartmentalize and throw on the mask, one I’d been wearing most of my life so being dishonest was the default. It felt almost kinder telling them what they wanted to hear so they wouldn’t worry about me. I was a lot cause anyway. yikes I know, I’ve healed since then. It’s how I survived but not being honest about who you are and what your about for years breaks some part of who you are I think. I’m not sure I’ll ever heal it completely. It really is a loose loose 😖 I hope your parents will be understanding and you have someone to talk to 💜
@@LoudLeo3 yeah, I have a nice group that I hang out with. (some of which have graduated/transferred) I can't really pretend anymore because I am still trying to undo the stuff that happened in my homeward(due to the having to hide and my parents being very strict religious wise also some mormons use their religion to bully people) so lying would just make my existing problems worse, but the idea of just lying and saying I have miraculously been reconverted is so funny. Like telling a complete lie at testimony meeting and just have people buy it is so funny to me. And honestly I think it is slightly fun to see my bishops and other leaders scramble trying to figure out what to do with me because they can't very well give up, it is not in their mormon nature. Like I show up to church and the only time I comment are to point out some... inconstancies in what the scriptures say. (Like Jesus loves everyone, but trans people cannot transition which means causing them unavoidable pain). At this point my coping mechanism is to see how much I can mess with people, which might not be the best, but hey, maybe I will break someone's shelf?
TW: Trauma dump I went to BYU Provo and I stopped going to church meetings and avoiding my religion class. Luckily, it was during covid so it took awhile for my parents to catch on. One of the few meetings I did to to was the sexual purity talk, which was so traumatizing. I also took a pregnancy test and got on a birth control prescription during my time living in the dorms! Like I hid my pregnancy test in the trash in the dorm bathroom and was terrified for someone to find it. I had to go to a pharmacy within walking distance, and I was scared my pharmacist would turn me in. I wasn't even having sex, but I missed my period and was convinced my cuddling sideways with my boyfriend caused an immaculate conception bc I had such little sexual education. I bought my first pair of short shorts. I mean it's all a haze now, but I broke out while there. It took that cult environment watching kids walk up freshmen hill in pioneer style dresses for me to realize how scary this religion really is. I transferred before I had to renew my bishop endorsement bc I knew I wouldn't be able to lie about all the rules I was breaking. I have PTSD now, but I'm very happy out of the church!
I was listening while making dinner. I came in to see Sam in a brilliant sweater (Jumper) and Tanner giving off strong Johnny Depp/Richard Greico vibes.
My grandma tried to bribe me into choosing BYU by offering to buy me a car. I picked a different school where I could actually make my own adult choices. I'm so glad my parents supported my decision!
I love this podcast!! I left the church at 18 (I’m now 48) and was very alone in that decision. Years later I learned all the lies (CES letter) and felt so validated. Anyway, the humor and authenticity that oozes from you both is the most fun to watch!! Never stop!!!! 💜
BYU-I was super authoritarian when my daughter and son went there. The honor code agreement that they assigned said that not only are they not allowed to wear shorts on campus that they are not allowed to wear shorts off-campus when going around town because they are still a representative of BYU. They could wear shorts in their own apartment and that was it. Same for any of the other dress codes that they agreed to. It’s been a few years. I don’t know how things have changed and I don’t think that many of the students really followed that agreement when they went to Walmart for groceries or other places, butit was part of the agreement
Former BYU kid here. My bishop was convinced I was a lesbian, due to my short colored (silver/blonde) hair and general disinterest in the ward bros he would try to set me up with--which is also insane in retrospect. He had me bring my boyfriend of 6 months to an activity and only upon my bf passing his interrogation would he renew my ecclesiastic endorsement. It was an absolute joke. Fun bonus; The Industrial Design major also has a required Ethics of Design class. I remember getting into a heated debate about the ethical neutrality of designing sex toys and not being explicitly responsible for their end use (whether they are used by a couple vs a single person). Lo and behold, one of the most well known BYU alumni design firms became internationally famous for making a very single player sex toy.
Ive commented about it enough that yall might remembr, but coming out at a fast and testimony meeting was one of the single most traumatic days of being a mormon.
Sam! About the pillow thing- I’ve been researching pillows lately for my chronic pain, and I’ve heard great things about buckwheat and millet pillows- I found one brand called Pine Tales that uses bamboo cases for their ‘premium’ ones. Perhaps you can see if that’s what you’re looking for?
I went there when it was still Ricks College (graduated the year before Bednar took over). Don’t know if it changed when it became a 4 year school, but it was basically high school 2.0 - only more strict. One of the dumbest things was the required religion class where we had to take tests on whatever whacked out doctrine they were teaching, that would totally affect our GPA (which would determine where we could transfer for our bachelor’s)
Aw, Matt Gaetz pulled his name for AG and Zelph On the Shelf uploaded something less serious I can decompress with 🥳 you guys are really out here doing the lords work (typing that as I listen to the ad 😂). It’s going to be a good weekend! Take care of yourselves 💜
I need to go through my old hard drives but I thnk I have a mp4 of that video because I remember saving it so that I could send it to a friend of mine. slight chance I have a copy
BYU Oahu is just surrounded by a crowd of party kids, I feel like RA’s leaning towards letting shit slide is just necessary, otherwise they’d have to report 50% of kids.
The getting ghosted by your school story is blowing my mind. I once brought up polygamy in a conversation with my super old school TBM father, and not only did he pull the “it’s really not crazy, compared to the polyamorous stuff being normalized today and they don’t have any room to judge” card (he didn’t give me the chance to address the many gaping flaws in that argument) but he went on to tell me how really in the church there’s no attempt to conceal the truth about polygamy at all, cuz he was taught alll about it very openly at byu back in his day, in a way that didn’t jeapordize anyone’s faith whatsoever. I tried to explain that that’s not case for most lds members who are shocked to the core to discover the true nature of the church’s past, and that it does understandably put their faith on the line because it is suuuch a stark contrast to the messages they’ve absorbed through the church their whole lives. It’s impossible for that not to feel like dishonesty. And that even if it was always broached in college, why only then? Why is it not information that’s available at every stage of the Mormon experience, alongside the other selective parts of church history that you are taught as a youth? Well obviously, the guy who got kicked out of byu for asking about it had a vastly different experience then my dad, and I have to wonder if that’s because he had actual ethics and opposed the horrors of early lds polygamy, instead of my dad who ate up the justifications and now, chillingly, has no problem with it.
If you are still friends with the girl you wrote the “scathing article” about her using the vibrater, you can should share with her your Belsa give away lol
I got essentially that from my history of psychology class We were learning about philosophy and the prof gave us papers that listed different philosophies with columns explaining them, and under the column "problems", for post modernism it said in like all caps "IS LEADING TO THE DOWNFALL OF THE FAMILY AND IS CORRUPTING WESTERN UNIVERSITIES" or smth like that
@brooksfaucette296 that's wild!!! Did you agree with any of the philosophies at the time? I loved and love secular humanism at the time and was like, mmm I'm pretty sure this didn't come from God. It's better on its own
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Not me discovering Zelph On The Shelf a few hours ago, just getting through the 10 tabs of your videos, only to go back to my home page and see ya'll had just posted a video 4 minutes ago?! Insane. Hi from SLC
WHAT, fun!!
It's the best way to watch zelph ❤
Welcome!
it’s crazy cause you guys are getting me through my education here at byui lol. i literally am listening to you guys in the ivy. thank you so much for giving us this supportive content:))
💜💜💜!
@@justanotherbookworm16 Sending you positive vibes! I can't imagine still being there. Don't succumb to the Lord's brainwashing!
I am currently surviving BYU Provo. My bishop knows I don't believe but they believe that if I stay at BYU I will reconvert so they keep renewing my ecclesiastical endorsement.
Don’t be afraid to play the game if it would put you in a bad situation to continue telling them the truth. You can disavow as soon as you get those college credits (and an independent income from parents that might be holding financials over your head). It’s well and good to stand on principle until you’re hungry. Just take care of yourself 💜 your cared about!
@@LoudLeo3 My home bishop knew and he told my YSA bishop so there was no getting around it. The bishops have to update each other when a new member enters the ward (at BYU) So there was no lying my way through it. I am hoping to find a way to transfer to UVU at some point. (but the BYU tuition makes it semi difficult to convince my parents that it is a good idea.)
@@Wrynndoesntpost that’s just so unfair, it feels like it should be illegal to do to young people. I still say if you suddenly took a hike near a mountain and hear ‘God’s’ voice call out to you in the wilderness, giving you a new testimony, they’d buy it. if you can act and make it seem like their idea, they’d love to buy in. They saving your ‘wayward’ soul they’d want credit for that if nothing else.
I’m old now so for me it’s easy to say play the game without a moment of guilt. I just want you to know if you need to hear it, God is not going to punish you for lying to charlatans (If you still believe in JC just not the church).
I made it through my last two years after realizing I was queer (and couldn’t fix it) but that’s only because I was able to compartmentalize and throw on the mask, one I’d been wearing most of my life so being dishonest was the default. It felt almost kinder telling them what they wanted to hear so they wouldn’t worry about me. I was a lot cause anyway. yikes I know, I’ve healed since then. It’s how I survived but not being honest about who you are and what your about for years breaks some part of who you are I think. I’m not sure I’ll ever heal it completely. It really is a loose loose 😖
I hope your parents will be understanding and you have someone to talk to 💜
@@LoudLeo3 yeah, I have a nice group that I hang out with. (some of which have graduated/transferred) I can't really pretend anymore because I am still trying to undo the stuff that happened in my homeward(due to the having to hide and my parents being very strict religious wise also some mormons use their religion to bully people) so lying would just make my existing problems worse, but the idea of just lying and saying I have miraculously been reconverted is so funny. Like telling a complete lie at testimony meeting and just have people buy it is so funny to me.
And honestly I think it is slightly fun to see my bishops and other leaders scramble trying to figure out what to do with me because they can't very well give up, it is not in their mormon nature. Like I show up to church and the only time I comment are to point out some... inconstancies in what the scriptures say. (Like Jesus loves everyone, but trans people cannot transition which means causing them unavoidable pain). At this point my coping mechanism is to see how much I can mess with people, which might not be the best, but hey, maybe I will break someone's shelf?
TW: Trauma dump
I went to BYU Provo and I stopped going to church meetings and avoiding my religion class. Luckily, it was during covid so it took awhile for my parents to catch on. One of the few meetings I did to to was the sexual purity talk, which was so traumatizing. I also took a pregnancy test and got on a birth control prescription during my time living in the dorms! Like I hid my pregnancy test in the trash in the dorm bathroom and was terrified for someone to find it. I had to go to a pharmacy within walking distance, and I was scared my pharmacist would turn me in. I wasn't even having sex, but I missed my period and was convinced my cuddling sideways with my boyfriend caused an immaculate conception bc I had such little sexual education. I bought my first pair of short shorts. I mean it's all a haze now, but I broke out while there. It took that cult environment watching kids walk up freshmen hill in pioneer style dresses for me to realize how scary this religion really is. I transferred before I had to renew my bishop endorsement bc I knew I wouldn't be able to lie about all the rules I was breaking.
I have PTSD now, but I'm very happy out of the church!
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I listen to your videos while i cook dinner and it's very comforting to look over and see your kitty once in a while. 😍 Thanks for the video
I was listening while making dinner. I came in to see Sam in a brilliant sweater (Jumper) and Tanner giving off strong Johnny Depp/Richard Greico vibes.
The two of you have great chemistry with each other, for example, the way you make each other laugh. It can't be faked!
Listening to you guys talk is always so comforting 🩷
My grandma tried to bribe me into choosing BYU by offering to buy me a car. I picked a different school where I could actually make my own adult choices. I'm so glad my parents supported my decision!
I love this podcast!! I left the church at 18 (I’m now 48) and was very alone in that decision. Years later I learned all the lies (CES letter) and felt so validated. Anyway, the humor and authenticity that oozes from you both is the most fun to watch!! Never stop!!!! 💜
🥲💗💗
BYU-I was super authoritarian when my daughter and son went there. The honor code agreement that they assigned said that not only are they not allowed to wear shorts on campus that they are not allowed to wear shorts off-campus when going around town because they are still a representative of BYU. They could wear shorts in their own apartment and that was it. Same for any of the other dress codes that they agreed to. It’s been a few years. I don’t know how things have changed and I don’t think that many of the students really followed that agreement when they went to Walmart for groceries or other places, butit was part of the agreement
The ways in which I sympathize when Banksy tries to pick Sam’s nose with his tail!
43:32 omg pet him please
Former BYU kid here. My bishop was convinced I was a lesbian, due to my short colored (silver/blonde) hair and general disinterest in the ward bros he would try to set me up with--which is also insane in retrospect. He had me bring my boyfriend of 6 months to an activity and only upon my bf passing his interrogation would he renew my ecclesiastic endorsement. It was an absolute joke.
Fun bonus; The Industrial Design major also has a required Ethics of Design class. I remember getting into a heated debate about the ethical neutrality of designing sex toys and not being explicitly responsible for their end use (whether they are used by a couple vs a single person). Lo and behold, one of the most well known BYU alumni design firms became internationally famous for making a very single player sex toy.
The same people would probably argue the NRA can't be held responsible for gun violence -_-
Ive commented about it enough that yall might remembr, but coming out at a fast and testimony meeting was one of the single most traumatic days of being a mormon.
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KITTY! 4:00
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! 🩵🩵🩵
And again....I'm just here for the cat content 😅
Sam! About the pillow thing- I’ve been researching pillows lately for my chronic pain, and I’ve heard great things about buckwheat and millet pillows- I found one brand called Pine Tales that uses bamboo cases for their ‘premium’ ones. Perhaps you can see if that’s what you’re looking for?
Pleasure is a right, not an indulgence.
That story is horrifying, I had to stop watching after that
Glad you are warning potential students and discussing mormonism in general
You guys always make me feel like I have friends. I should be here more often. You make me smile. Thanks🌸💕
Wait the church doesn't like beards? Dang I was on the fence about joining but now I'm not sure I would be a good fit
Really? Brigham Young himself had quite an impressive beard.
I went to the Tallahassee temple open house. I behaved very well and only laughed at them a little☺️
haha just in the middle of your secret sneaky interview with megan conner when the notification for this appeared 😂
I went there when it was still Ricks College (graduated the year before Bednar took over). Don’t know if it changed when it became a 4 year school, but it was basically high school 2.0 - only more strict.
One of the dumbest things was the required religion class where we had to take tests on whatever whacked out doctrine they were teaching, that would totally affect our GPA (which would determine where we could transfer for our bachelor’s)
Nooooo flip flops 🩴 🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
39:08 that bishop is giving Chad and Lori Daybell vibes. If it was Rexburg, highly possible!
Did I hear that right? AA for someone who wore shorts on campus? 😂
Aw, Matt Gaetz pulled his name for AG and Zelph On the Shelf uploaded something less serious I can decompress with 🥳 you guys are really out here doing the lords work (typing that as I listen to the ad 😂). It’s going to be a good weekend! Take care of yourselves 💜
😅💗💗💗💗💗💗
Can’t stop thinking about the BYUI Secrets Facebook page scandal in 2013
OMFG YES
OMG I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
That sweater looks so cute on you! 💙
55:51 nailed it
I need to go through my old hard drives but I thnk I have a mp4 of that video because I remember saving it so that I could send it to a friend of mine. slight chance I have a copy
Great sweater Sam.
I was forced to leave the church because of the judgement and non-acceptance of my mutton chops! 😱
Was it just flip flops or all open toed foot wear that was banned?
It was specifically flip flops! Haha
@@ZelphOntheShelf😅 that's so weird! Thanks for enlightening us!!
BYU Oahu is just surrounded by a crowd of party kids, I feel like RA’s leaning towards letting shit slide is just necessary, otherwise they’d have to report 50% of kids.
The getting ghosted by your school story is blowing my mind. I once brought up polygamy in a conversation with my super old school TBM father, and not only did he pull the “it’s really not crazy, compared to the polyamorous stuff being normalized today and they don’t have any room to judge” card (he didn’t give me the chance to address the many gaping flaws in that argument) but he went on to tell me how really in the church there’s no attempt to conceal the truth about polygamy at all, cuz he was taught alll about it very openly at byu back in his day, in a way that didn’t jeapordize anyone’s faith whatsoever. I tried to explain that that’s not case for most lds members who are shocked to the core to discover the true nature of the church’s past, and that it does understandably put their faith on the line because it is suuuch a stark contrast to the messages they’ve absorbed through the church their whole lives. It’s impossible for that not to feel like dishonesty. And that even if it was always broached in college, why only then? Why is it not information that’s available at every stage of the Mormon experience, alongside the other selective parts of church history that you are taught as a youth? Well obviously, the guy who got kicked out of byu for asking about it had a vastly different experience then my dad, and I have to wonder if that’s because he had actual ethics and opposed the horrors of early lds polygamy, instead of my dad who ate up the justifications and now, chillingly, has no problem with it.
Sam CLICKBAITED, 2024, captured in 4K
Someone please explain the “eating a tiramisu to baptize an apostate grandparents” thought experiment 😭
It’s from Jack Weyland’s “Adam’s Story”, the third book in the “Charly” series!
I want to pet your cat
He’s interested
If you are still friends with the girl you wrote the “scathing article” about her using the vibrater, you can should share with her your Belsa give away lol
Important timestamp 19:06 😺
12:20 Oh boy my favorite heathen home-shopping televangelists are on! 🖕😈 🤙 #FillingTheHoleLeftByBrodcastTV
HOT NEW VID JUST DROPPED. BABE I HAVE TO GO BE A MEGAFAN. YOU WOULDNT GET IT.
Were you a Ridge girl???
I SURE WAS (just for one semester)
Did you all have the religion class lecture about how the secular community stole humanism from God's truths about our divine nature?
I got essentially that from my history of psychology class
We were learning about philosophy and the prof gave us papers that listed different philosophies with columns explaining them, and under the column "problems", for post modernism it said in like all caps "IS LEADING TO THE DOWNFALL OF THE FAMILY AND IS CORRUPTING WESTERN UNIVERSITIES" or smth like that
@brooksfaucette296 that's wild!!! Did you agree with any of the philosophies at the time? I loved and love secular humanism at the time and was like, mmm I'm pretty sure this didn't come from God. It's better on its own
Making a cult cool?