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Not me discovering Zelph On The Shelf a few hours ago, just getting through the 10 tabs of your videos, only to go back to my home page and see ya'll had just posted a video 4 minutes ago?! Insane. Hi from SLC
it’s crazy cause you guys are getting me through my education here at byui lol. i literally am listening to you guys in the ivy. thank you so much for giving us this supportive content:))
I am currently surviving BYU Provo. My bishop knows I don't believe but they believe that if I stay at BYU I will reconvert so they keep renewing my ecclesiastical endorsement.
Don’t be afraid to play the game if it would put you in a bad situation to continue telling them the truth. You can disavow as soon as you get those college credits (and an independent income from parents that might be holding financials over your head). It’s well and good to stand on principle until you’re hungry. Just take care of yourself 💜 your cared about!
@@Rebeyells My home bishop knew and he told my YSA bishop so there was no getting around it. The bishops have to update each other when a new member enters the ward (at BYU) So there was no lying my way through it. I am hoping to find a way to transfer to UVU at some point. (but the BYU tuition makes it semi difficult to convince my parents that it is a good idea.)
@@Wrynndoesntpost that’s just so unfair, it feels like it should be illegal to do to young people. I still say if you suddenly took a hike near a mountain and hear ‘God’s’ voice call out to you in the wilderness, giving you a new testimony, they’d buy it. if you can act and make it seem like their idea, they’d love to buy in. They saving your ‘wayward’ soul they’d want credit for that if nothing else. I’m old now so for me it’s easy to say play the game without a moment of guilt. I just want you to know if you need to hear it, God is not going to punish you for lying to charlatans (If you still believe in JC just not the church). I made it through my last two years after realizing I was queer (and couldn’t fix it) but that’s only because I was able to compartmentalize and throw on the mask, one I’d been wearing most of my life so being dishonest was the default. It felt almost kinder telling them what they wanted to hear so they wouldn’t worry about me. I was a lot cause anyway. yikes I know, I’ve healed since then. It’s how I survived but not being honest about who you are and what your about for years breaks some part of who you are I think. I’m not sure I’ll ever heal it completely. It really is a loose loose 😖 I hope your parents will be understanding and you have someone to talk to 💜
@@Rebeyells yeah, I have a nice group that I hang out with. (some of which have graduated/transferred) I can't really pretend anymore because I am still trying to undo the stuff that happened in my homeward(due to the having to hide and my parents being very strict religious wise also some mormons use their religion to bully people) so lying would just make my existing problems worse, but the idea of just lying and saying I have miraculously been reconverted is so funny. Like telling a complete lie at testimony meeting and just have people buy it is so funny to me. And honestly I think it is slightly fun to see my bishops and other leaders scramble trying to figure out what to do with me because they can't very well give up, it is not in their mormon nature. Like I show up to church and the only time I comment are to point out some... inconstancies in what the scriptures say. (Like Jesus loves everyone, but trans people cannot transition which means causing them unavoidable pain). At this point my coping mechanism is to see how much I can mess with people, which might not be the best, but hey, maybe I will break someone's shelf?
TW: Trauma dump I went to BYU Provo and I stopped going to church meetings and avoiding my religion class. Luckily, it was during covid so it took awhile for my parents to catch on. One of the few meetings I did to to was the sexual purity talk, which was so traumatizing. I also took a pregnancy test and got on a birth control prescription during my time living in the dorms! Like I hid my pregnancy test in the trash in the dorm bathroom and was terrified for someone to find it. I had to go to a pharmacy within walking distance, and I was scared my pharmacist would turn me in. I wasn't even having sex, but I missed my period and was convinced my cuddling sideways with my boyfriend caused an immaculate conception bc I had such little sexual education. I bought my first pair of short shorts. I mean it's all a haze now, but I broke out while there. It took that cult environment watching kids walk up freshmen hill in pioneer style dresses for me to realize how scary this religion really is. I transferred before I had to renew my bishop endorsement bc I knew I wouldn't be able to lie about all the rules I was breaking. I have PTSD now, but I'm very happy out of the church!
@@Aracscork at the time, just a few years ago, pioneer dress was coming back in style, like the big sleeves, to the ankles, floral patterned frock type dresses were really popular again which added to the vibes
Former BYU kid here. My bishop was convinced I was a lesbian, due to my short colored (silver/blonde) hair and general disinterest in the ward bros he would try to set me up with--which is also insane in retrospect. He had me bring my boyfriend of 6 months to an activity and only upon my bf passing his interrogation would he renew my ecclesiastic endorsement. It was an absolute joke. Fun bonus; The Industrial Design major also has a required Ethics of Design class. I remember getting into a heated debate about the ethical neutrality of designing sex toys and not being explicitly responsible for their end use (whether they are used by a couple vs a single person). Lo and behold, one of the most well known BYU alumni design firms became internationally famous for making a very single player sex toy.
My grandma tried to bribe me into choosing BYU by offering to buy me a car. I picked a different school where I could actually make my own adult choices. I'm so glad my parents supported my decision!
Tanner, the roping off hallway analogy was great! So gentle, ya know? I just explained to my Mother yesterday the difference between sex and gender and nobody got upset and we actually had a peaceful conversation. You're a sweet person. Thank you for sharing your heart. We all get lots of value from your videos. Samantha, you are a badass and you make me feel like I can be a badass too❤
I love this podcast!! I left the church at 18 (I’m now 48) and was very alone in that decision. Years later I learned all the lies (CES letter) and felt so validated. Anyway, the humor and authenticity that oozes from you both is the most fun to watch!! Never stop!!!! 💜
Ive commented about it enough that yall might remembr, but coming out at a fast and testimony meeting was one of the single most traumatic days of being a mormon.
I was listening while making dinner. I came in to see Sam in a brilliant sweater (Jumper) and Tanner giving off strong Johnny Depp/Richard Greico vibes.
BYU-I was super authoritarian when my daughter and son went there. The honor code agreement that they assigned said that not only are they not allowed to wear shorts on campus that they are not allowed to wear shorts off-campus when going around town because they are still a representative of BYU. They could wear shorts in their own apartment and that was it. Same for any of the other dress codes that they agreed to. It’s been a few years. I don’t know how things have changed and I don’t think that many of the students really followed that agreement when they went to Walmart for groceries or other places, butit was part of the agreement
I met a girl who went to BYU. I went to pick her up one day, and walking to her dorms, I was wearing shorts, and I had long hair, and earrings at the time. I was trying to figure out where to go, and a guy came running up to me, yelling that he was going to tell on me. I was confused, and tried to ask him directions, he then yelled louder in my face, Violation! I am telling! I told him to go tell. I found her place, and we had to sneak out to her car, drive to my car, to go out. I decided she was definitely not worth all of that. What a super weird bubble these people have carved out for themselves, it’s really sad.
Sam! About the pillow thing- I’ve been researching pillows lately for my chronic pain, and I’ve heard great things about buckwheat and millet pillows- I found one brand called Pine Tales that uses bamboo cases for their ‘premium’ ones. Perhaps you can see if that’s what you’re looking for?
BYU-Provo is most definitely NOT the "Harvard of the west" (Stanford would like a word...). In terms of the most well known academic rating system, the US News rankings (yes...I know there are a TON of faults with it), there are literally dozens of large western universities that are ranked higher than BYU. Not just Stanford, but Cal Tech, USC, most of the UC schools (UCLA, UC Berkeley, etc), University of Washington, Colorado School of Mines, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, and the University of Colorado, are all ranked higher than BYU in the rankings of National Universities. BYU is ranked 109th nationally, tied in the west with the likes of Long Beach State, University of Oregon, and the University of Arizona.
Aw, Matt Gaetz pulled his name for AG and Zelph On the Shelf uploaded something less serious I can decompress with 🥳 you guys are really out here doing the lords work (typing that as I listen to the ad 😂). It’s going to be a good weekend! Take care of yourselves 💜
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Sam, on the pillow front have you tried going to a mattress store to try out different kinds of pillows? That's how I decided I liked shredded memory foam pillows.
Y'all i looked up BYU student expulsion rate, expecting it to be hard to find but no - It's actually on their FAQ page???? I can't imagine a worse condemnation for a university than to have to defend itself for that preemptively 😂
My interest in Mormonism (in its many branches, not just the LDS Church) was born more than two decades ago, when I had a few dates with a pretty psychology student who said that she was considering converting to that religion, after being visited a couple of times by the missionaries. I asked her some questions about basic doctrine, but she was rather evasive. I guess her mind was filled with doubts about what was allegedly revealed to Joseph Smith Jr. Even at the beginning of 2002, when the Winter Olympics were held in Salt Lake City, my ignorance on the subject was almost absolute: I knew that Latter-day Saints and Mormons were the same people and that, within the community, the coffee consumption is considered sinful. That was about it, despite living less than half a kilometer from a chapel and seeing missionary couples with some regularity. Finally determined to satisfy my curiosity and overcome my ignorance on the issue, I began by reading the corresponding Wikipedia article, believing that it would be enough, but the doctrine, the history of the church and even its folklore turned out to be fascinating and I ended up examining even the final statement of John Doyle Lee regarding the trial held years after the sad events of Mountain Meadows. Naturally, I was poorly prepared for the encounter with a peculiar doctrine (I think the self-proclaimed founding prophet used that adjective) and a fascinating history, including the existence of a large territory of its own (Deseret) and a respectable militia, as well as " mormon" currency and alphabet. I can add, so as not to make this message too long, that I know why the tapir has become a symbol for those who have made the brave decision to take their own destiny into their hands, giving up the feeling of relative security provided by the Brighamite membership. I have great respect and also admiration for anyone who is capable of conquering his personal freedom, breaking the chains imposed by year long indoctrination, after a complicated and painful process of introspective analysis. It does not require much insight or explanation to understand why acts as seemingly inconsequential as putting a cup of aromatic coffee in your mouth or wearing an "immodest" swimsuit in public can have an important meaning, even marking a stage of conquest. of individual freedom and self-affirmation. You ExMos who, with all certainty, are the majority of the subscribers of this remarkable channel, are people as brave as they are valuable. I hope to be welcomed in your community, even in my mexican NeverMo condition.
I 100% recommend community college! I went when everything was online in 2020 and I decided not to pay 50k/year for what I could get for like 2k. Best thing that could’ve happened to me.
I'm wondering if BYU is like Liberty University an evangelical university. My sister went to college in that area but not Liberty and she described LU students as stuck-up weird and during COVID either not wearing a mask or not knowing how to properly wear a mask and doesn't care about learning how(I assume)
I guess Eastern Washington University accepted BYU Idaho credits because there were quite a few people there who got kicked out of byu while I was there. There were also a few Mennonites as well. I don't know if they got kicked out of Mennonite college, or if that is even a thing. I never actually talked to any of them.
If you are still friends with the girl you wrote the “scathing article” about her using the vibrater, you can should share with her your Belsa give away lol
BYU Oahu is just surrounded by a crowd of party kids, I feel like RA’s leaning towards letting shit slide is just necessary, otherwise they’d have to report 50% of kids.
I went there when it was still Ricks College (graduated the year before Bednar took over). Don’t know if it changed when it became a 4 year school, but it was basically high school 2.0 - only more strict. One of the dumbest things was the required religion class where we had to take tests on whatever whacked out doctrine they were teaching, that would totally affect our GPA (which would determine where we could transfer for our bachelor’s)
I had a coworker who was kicked out of BYUI because he was gay. They revoked his credits and he had to redo a bunch of courses at a different University
from someone who is currently living at BYUI and has seen from multiple queer friends how incredibly bad the bishops are here, i’m completely sure that bishop that girl talked about did say that and did mean that and is probably still a bishop here. i was lucky enough that my bishops have tried to ignore my existance and i was happy to let them for most of my time here
not only that but i feel like most people who heard that would quietly agree with the bishop. not to your face, but they would say he was in the right. bishops have so much power here and there is no regulation or way to get help if they are harming you and they have power over so much of your life. so many of them are power hungry and know they can get away with whatever they want with no concequences. the things ive heard in sacrament meetings are insane and not okay and it’s essentially part of the school. my bishop has outright told me school wards have different rules and are completely seperate from most as a way to explain why i had to go to church even though when i did i had dangerous medical problems. it’s genuinely insane
I need to go through my old hard drives but I thnk I have a mp4 of that video because I remember saving it so that I could send it to a friend of mine. slight chance I have a copy
The getting ghosted by your school story is blowing my mind. I once brought up polygamy in a conversation with my super old school TBM father, and not only did he pull the “it’s really not crazy, compared to the polyamorous stuff being normalized today and they don’t have any room to judge” card (he didn’t give me the chance to address the many gaping flaws in that argument) but he went on to tell me how really in the church there’s no attempt to conceal the truth about polygamy at all, cuz he was taught alll about it very openly at byu back in his day, in a way that didn’t jeapordize anyone’s faith whatsoever. I tried to explain that that’s not case for most lds members who are shocked to the core to discover the true nature of the church’s past, and that it does understandably put their faith on the line because it is suuuch a stark contrast to the messages they’ve absorbed through the church their whole lives. It’s impossible for that not to feel like dishonesty. And that even if it was always broached in college, why only then? Why is it not information that’s available at every stage of the Mormon experience, alongside the other selective parts of church history that you are taught as a youth? Well obviously, the guy who got kicked out of byu for asking about it had a vastly different experience then my dad, and I have to wonder if that’s because he had actual ethics and opposed the horrors of early lds polygamy, instead of my dad who ate up the justifications and now, chillingly, has no problem with it.
sorry for all the comments i just have a lot of thoughts but this is for the viewers who may see this: i went to BYUI already exmo as a way to escape my parents and because it was the easiest option that would cause the least conflict. the freedom from my parents covered up how bad the school was at first but it quickly became just as bad to be at this school. dont do it. i have friends who arent even fully exmo who are genuinely upset BYUI will be on their deploma. dont do it. i know people because of queerness or the hostile environment who tried so hard to graduate but were kicked out for something small like staying out too late or not going to church enough or being queer and had to start college all over again and go into even more dept because they lost years of college credit. dont do it. even if you graduate and are fine with BYUI on your deploma the reason the credits dont transfer is because most of the classes dont have a good cariculum. you wont get a good education at BYUI, dont do it.
My Mormon Ex-wife years ago went to BYU-H, though at the time it was called "Ricks College." She told me that one time while she was a student there, a doctor prescribed for her "The pill," in order to help regulate her cycle, which always had been a bit whacky. When her fellow student roommate saw her medication (the pill) in her medicine cabinet in the bathroom, this room mate had a melt down saying that Mormon women "weren't supposed to take the pill," because of the Church instruction for married couples to not limit their having of kids. Discernment = ZERO, even if the counsel was good, but which it wasn't anyway.
A guy I dated right before I went to byui threaten to r3pe me. Years later I found out he was going to be coming to byui while I was there. I reported him to title 9 and they said they couldn’t do anything about it because it happened before he came to byui. A couple semesters later he got kicked out for the same allegations. Found out recently he got accepted back into byui a year after getting kicked out. Insane!
I freaking love these 2 darling hilarious and insanely intelligent young adults and not me tuning in partly to see what the cool kids are wearing these days ! 🥰
Very interesting! I myself flunked out of MIT, but, looking back on it, I'm quite sure I could've easily gotten expelled for violating the harassment policy! But at least I didn't die falling out of a windrow while drunk! That's why we (the survivors) mourn the ones who did! 👀💀
@ZelphOntheShelf eh, I'm talking about student deaths at MIT. Flunking out and dying are two very different kinds of "mourning," but they're still both a kind of mourning! Everything is mourning! Isn't that what we've been learning over the past few years? It's mourning in America, comrades! 💀🤘
I got essentially that from my history of psychology class We were learning about philosophy and the prof gave us papers that listed different philosophies with columns explaining them, and under the column "problems", for post modernism it said in like all caps "IS LEADING TO THE DOWNFALL OF THE FAMILY AND IS CORRUPTING WESTERN UNIVERSITIES" or smth like that
@brooksfaucette296 that's wild!!! Did you agree with any of the philosophies at the time? I loved and love secular humanism at the time and was like, mmm I'm pretty sure this didn't come from God. It's better on its own
@@brooksfaucette296 "downfall of the family." Nothing must be more fragile than the family, the way so many denominations say that so many things are attacking it.
Confession? I once showed my students the BYU honor code and some short clips of people's honor code horror stories to let them see how bad our public university really wasn't. "Well if you think Campus PD writing you a ticket for drinking underage was bad, let me show you the LDS church's honor code at its universities..."
I have mixed feelings when talking about my BYU experience. I absolutely loved attending the school, and it really is a great academic institution. But then I now look back and wish that I had had the opportunity to have a ‘normal’ dating experience like my straight counterparts. Although I totes would have married a man I’d be divorced from by now if that was a normal thing in the church. 😜😂
So many additional wild BYU stories I could share, but I’ll share the similar ones. Also dated a 6’5” bf lol & this one ALSO commented on my jeans. Said they were too tight & worried that if he married me, I would tell my daughters that was OK to wear tight jeans one day😮.RA’s inspecting us like cattle before the formal dance to see if dresses were up to standard. older men at ward activities yes so creepy! Freshman year one in a wheelchair rolled over from across the room unsolicited started lecturing me about me how my skirt would lead men to bad thoughts. It was a baggy polo T-shirt dress. I did have long legs for my height, but I’d say at most it was an inch too short? So creepy.-upskirt angle for him. Men having spiritual dreams they should marry me. Taking roommate for pregnancy test & watching her be drilled in church courts when their athlete bf were not. Being forced to go to BYU, even though I had scholarships at many universities including Stanford, the parental coercion is so similar. Your advice that if you have any reservations, then BYU could be a disaster. I really underestimated this. I feel like in a way you can kind of predict who will have a good experience at BYU or on a mission. Sadly, people shouldn’t ignore this and do what’s best for them. Then when I asked my roommate why a female can’t be the clerk when females are stereotypically good at making appointments and book keeping & the calling has nothing to do with priesthood it was an honest sincere question, She told me I was an apostate. I was so TBM and sacrifice so many opportunities to attend BYU like God wanted. So hurtful. Anyway, many more similar experiences to all the ones you mentioned but also some wild ones that are way worse. I’ll have to share one day.!😂Thanks for your coverage! I am still laughing about your scouting video after years of my father yelling at me that my son will have no leadership if I don’t put him in scouting. Your video really illustrated the opportunities that scouting gives.😂 I’d love to see another one of your videos depicting this entire BYU life that you talked about in this video!🙏
I related to this video a little too much as someone who went to a conservative evangelical university that would have thrown me out if they had found out I was queer and I didn't accept conversion therapy. But hey, we live on, and it gets better. Don't do it if you have another choice, but to anyone who ended up in a school like this, I promise you can survive and you can find joy
I've never been Mormon but my first two sexual encounters were with Mormon girls. I don't think the church leaders have any idea how wild many LDS girls are. I think all that repression is having a boomerang effect.
I’m almost out of BYUI and I’ve been openly trans and queer and secretly exmo the entire four years ive been here. I genuinely have developed severe paranoia because of the surveillance culture here. I would get called to the honor office at least once a semester because my roommates or neighbors told on me for something they would only know about via spying. people from our ward would literally tell on me for things they could only know from looking through my blinds and listening through the door. I only stayed this long because i would be homeless without student loans and housing but that also ment that i was in constant terror of not just loosing my housing, but my livelihood as a disabled person trying to figure things out. not even going to mention how beyond aweful the school itself and the school bishops have been to me as a disabled person. ive been often physically unable to go to church and my bishop said he wouldnt endorse me if i didnt. i suggested a zoom like non-school wards do for the elderly but school wards arent allowed to brodcast or record their meetings. i was forced to attend meetings even though i would actively have seizures and have to leave crying because of the physical damage it did to me. and all this man did was say he was happy to see me at church no sympathy for my pain or offer to help.
oh an added note to this was i went to 5 different departments at the school about this begging for help or support or advacacy. the disability department, the dean of students, no one could do anything. if the bishop got me kicked out for being disabled no one would be able to help.
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We didn’t claim we didn’t, but we were also young and naive and the LDS Church lies to its members about its own history/finances/etc. So you could say there was no informed consent.
48:42 so you are open about sexuality, open about sex toys, you complain about BYU and church rules, etc... but you get upset about a 18 girl dating a 26yo man... 😂😂
Again, what is the point here? Just because you were unable to adapt to BYU school rules, it doesn't automatically mean everything is evil. By the way, the fact that you sponsored a VIBRATOR just adds salt to the wound. Why are you so bent on bashing LDS members? Is it some sort of personal vendetta?😥🙏😔
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Not me discovering Zelph On The Shelf a few hours ago, just getting through the 10 tabs of your videos, only to go back to my home page and see ya'll had just posted a video 4 minutes ago?! Insane. Hi from SLC
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it’s crazy cause you guys are getting me through my education here at byui lol. i literally am listening to you guys in the ivy. thank you so much for giving us this supportive content:))
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@@justanotherbookworm16 Sending you positive vibes! I can't imagine still being there. Don't succumb to the Lord's brainwashing!
I am currently surviving BYU Provo. My bishop knows I don't believe but they believe that if I stay at BYU I will reconvert so they keep renewing my ecclesiastical endorsement.
Don’t be afraid to play the game if it would put you in a bad situation to continue telling them the truth. You can disavow as soon as you get those college credits (and an independent income from parents that might be holding financials over your head). It’s well and good to stand on principle until you’re hungry. Just take care of yourself 💜 your cared about!
@@Rebeyells My home bishop knew and he told my YSA bishop so there was no getting around it. The bishops have to update each other when a new member enters the ward (at BYU) So there was no lying my way through it. I am hoping to find a way to transfer to UVU at some point. (but the BYU tuition makes it semi difficult to convince my parents that it is a good idea.)
@@Wrynndoesntpost that’s just so unfair, it feels like it should be illegal to do to young people. I still say if you suddenly took a hike near a mountain and hear ‘God’s’ voice call out to you in the wilderness, giving you a new testimony, they’d buy it. if you can act and make it seem like their idea, they’d love to buy in. They saving your ‘wayward’ soul they’d want credit for that if nothing else.
I’m old now so for me it’s easy to say play the game without a moment of guilt. I just want you to know if you need to hear it, God is not going to punish you for lying to charlatans (If you still believe in JC just not the church).
I made it through my last two years after realizing I was queer (and couldn’t fix it) but that’s only because I was able to compartmentalize and throw on the mask, one I’d been wearing most of my life so being dishonest was the default. It felt almost kinder telling them what they wanted to hear so they wouldn’t worry about me. I was a lot cause anyway. yikes I know, I’ve healed since then. It’s how I survived but not being honest about who you are and what your about for years breaks some part of who you are I think. I’m not sure I’ll ever heal it completely. It really is a loose loose 😖
I hope your parents will be understanding and you have someone to talk to 💜
@@Rebeyells yeah, I have a nice group that I hang out with. (some of which have graduated/transferred) I can't really pretend anymore because I am still trying to undo the stuff that happened in my homeward(due to the having to hide and my parents being very strict religious wise also some mormons use their religion to bully people) so lying would just make my existing problems worse, but the idea of just lying and saying I have miraculously been reconverted is so funny. Like telling a complete lie at testimony meeting and just have people buy it is so funny to me.
And honestly I think it is slightly fun to see my bishops and other leaders scramble trying to figure out what to do with me because they can't very well give up, it is not in their mormon nature. Like I show up to church and the only time I comment are to point out some... inconstancies in what the scriptures say. (Like Jesus loves everyone, but trans people cannot transition which means causing them unavoidable pain). At this point my coping mechanism is to see how much I can mess with people, which might not be the best, but hey, maybe I will break someone's shelf?
@@RebeyellsI feel for you. I hope you can heal from it and enjoy the rest of your existence.
TW: Trauma dump
I went to BYU Provo and I stopped going to church meetings and avoiding my religion class. Luckily, it was during covid so it took awhile for my parents to catch on. One of the few meetings I did to to was the sexual purity talk, which was so traumatizing. I also took a pregnancy test and got on a birth control prescription during my time living in the dorms! Like I hid my pregnancy test in the trash in the dorm bathroom and was terrified for someone to find it. I had to go to a pharmacy within walking distance, and I was scared my pharmacist would turn me in. I wasn't even having sex, but I missed my period and was convinced my cuddling sideways with my boyfriend caused an immaculate conception bc I had such little sexual education. I bought my first pair of short shorts. I mean it's all a haze now, but I broke out while there. It took that cult environment watching kids walk up freshmen hill in pioneer style dresses for me to realize how scary this religion really is. I transferred before I had to renew my bishop endorsement bc I knew I wouldn't be able to lie about all the rules I was breaking.
I have PTSD now, but I'm very happy out of the church!
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@@ZelphOntheShelf It's like Nazi Germany--everybody spying on everybody!!
They use pioneer dresses all the time ?
@Aracscork are you lost?
@@Aracscork at the time, just a few years ago, pioneer dress was coming back in style, like the big sleeves, to the ankles, floral patterned frock type dresses were really popular again which added to the vibes
Former BYU kid here. My bishop was convinced I was a lesbian, due to my short colored (silver/blonde) hair and general disinterest in the ward bros he would try to set me up with--which is also insane in retrospect. He had me bring my boyfriend of 6 months to an activity and only upon my bf passing his interrogation would he renew my ecclesiastic endorsement. It was an absolute joke.
Fun bonus; The Industrial Design major also has a required Ethics of Design class. I remember getting into a heated debate about the ethical neutrality of designing sex toys and not being explicitly responsible for their end use (whether they are used by a couple vs a single person). Lo and behold, one of the most well known BYU alumni design firms became internationally famous for making a very single player sex toy.
The same people would probably argue the NRA can't be held responsible for gun violence -_-
My grandma tried to bribe me into choosing BYU by offering to buy me a car. I picked a different school where I could actually make my own adult choices. I'm so glad my parents supported my decision!
Tanner, the roping off hallway analogy was great! So gentle, ya know? I just explained to my Mother yesterday the difference between sex and gender and nobody got upset and we actually had a peaceful conversation. You're a sweet person. Thank you for sharing your heart. We all get lots of value from your videos. Samantha, you are a badass and you make me feel like I can be a badass too❤
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"Why search when you can ponder and pray?" 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀 damn tanner you are sooooo quick witted!!!! ❤❤❤❤
KITTY! 4:00
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! 🩵🩵🩵
I love this podcast!! I left the church at 18 (I’m now 48) and was very alone in that decision. Years later I learned all the lies (CES letter) and felt so validated. Anyway, the humor and authenticity that oozes from you both is the most fun to watch!! Never stop!!!! 💜
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I listen to your videos while i cook dinner and it's very comforting to look over and see your kitty once in a while. 😍 Thanks for the video
Pleasure is a right, not an indulgence.
Ive commented about it enough that yall might remembr, but coming out at a fast and testimony meeting was one of the single most traumatic days of being a mormon.
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“I just have resting bitch face, and I wasn’t good at dishes.” Story of my life💀
The two of you have great chemistry with each other, for example, the way you make each other laugh. It can't be faked!
@29:00 love the Chris Farley scare quotes à la "in van down by the river!"
Your cat realllllly wants more pets and scratches 😂 45:05
Listening to you guys talk is always so comforting 🩷
I was listening while making dinner. I came in to see Sam in a brilliant sweater (Jumper) and Tanner giving off strong Johnny Depp/Richard Greico vibes.
The ways in which I sympathize when Banksy tries to pick Sam’s nose with his tail!
Unsolicited pillow rec I really love the ones filled with shredded bamboo foam bc you can take foam out and adjust it to your preference
BYU-I was super authoritarian when my daughter and son went there. The honor code agreement that they assigned said that not only are they not allowed to wear shorts on campus that they are not allowed to wear shorts off-campus when going around town because they are still a representative of BYU. They could wear shorts in their own apartment and that was it. Same for any of the other dress codes that they agreed to. It’s been a few years. I don’t know how things have changed and I don’t think that many of the students really followed that agreement when they went to Walmart for groceries or other places, butit was part of the agreement
I met a girl who went to BYU. I went to pick her up one day, and walking to her dorms, I was wearing shorts, and I had long hair, and earrings at the time. I was trying to figure out where to go, and a guy came running up to me, yelling that he was going to tell on me. I was confused, and tried to ask him directions, he then yelled louder in my face, Violation! I am telling! I told him to go tell. I found her place, and we had to sneak out to her car, drive to my car, to go out. I decided she was definitely not worth all of that. What a super weird bubble these people have carved out for themselves, it’s really sad.
And again....I'm just here for the cat content 😅
Sam! About the pillow thing- I’ve been researching pillows lately for my chronic pain, and I’ve heard great things about buckwheat and millet pillows- I found one brand called Pine Tales that uses bamboo cases for their ‘premium’ ones. Perhaps you can see if that’s what you’re looking for?
OOH thank you!!
@@ZelphOntheShelfdawn cured mine. Tried so many special things and even one €150 tempur pillow. Ikea dawn did the trick
BYU-Provo is most definitely NOT the "Harvard of the west" (Stanford would like a word...). In terms of the most well known academic rating system, the US News rankings (yes...I know there are a TON of faults with it), there are literally dozens of large western universities that are ranked higher than BYU. Not just Stanford, but Cal Tech, USC, most of the UC schools (UCLA, UC Berkeley, etc), University of Washington, Colorado School of Mines, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, and the University of Colorado, are all ranked higher than BYU in the rankings of National Universities. BYU is ranked 109th nationally, tied in the west with the likes of Long Beach State, University of Oregon, and the University of Arizona.
Aw, Matt Gaetz pulled his name for AG and Zelph On the Shelf uploaded something less serious I can decompress with 🥳 you guys are really out here doing the lords work (typing that as I listen to the ad 😂). It’s going to be a good weekend! Take care of yourselves 💜
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Wait the church doesn't like beards? Dang I was on the fence about joining but now I'm not sure I would be a good fit
Really? Brigham Young himself had quite an impressive beard.
That sweater looks so cute on you! 💙
Omg! I remember that battlefield video. Oh BYUI. 😂
You have combined my 2 favorite interests: exmormon content and UA-cam cat videos ❤ please consider having your cats tripping with catnip toys for your next video
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That story is horrifying, I had to stop watching after that
Glad you are warning potential students and discussing mormonism in general
I went to the Tallahassee temple open house. I behaved very well and only laughed at them a little☺️
Sam, on the pillow front have you tried going to a mattress store to try out different kinds of pillows? That's how I decided I liked shredded memory foam pillows.
I thought those were all drug fronts?!
Nooooo flip flops 🩴 🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴🩴!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stadium singing took me back, like I forgot that was a thing. We all remember midnight McDonald’s but I successfully repressed singing under bleachers
Can’t stop thinking about the BYUI Secrets Facebook page scandal in 2013
OMFG YES
OMG I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
Y'all i looked up BYU student expulsion rate, expecting it to be hard to find but no - It's actually on their FAQ page???? I can't imagine a worse condemnation for a university than to have to defend itself for that preemptively 😂
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haha just in the middle of your secret sneaky interview with megan conner when the notification for this appeared 😂
Ooh, I have been around the internet long enough to have seen that video!
My interest in Mormonism (in its many branches, not just the LDS Church) was born more than two decades ago, when I had a few dates with a pretty psychology student who said that she was considering converting to that religion, after being visited a couple of times by the missionaries. I asked her some questions about basic doctrine, but she was rather evasive. I guess her mind was filled with doubts about what was allegedly revealed to Joseph Smith Jr. Even at the beginning of 2002, when the Winter Olympics were held in Salt Lake City, my ignorance on the subject was almost absolute: I knew that Latter-day Saints and Mormons were the same people and that, within the community, the coffee consumption is considered sinful. That was about it, despite living less than half a kilometer from a chapel and seeing missionary couples with some regularity. Finally determined to satisfy my curiosity and overcome my ignorance on the issue, I began by reading the corresponding Wikipedia article, believing that it would be enough, but the doctrine, the history of the church and even its folklore turned out to be fascinating and I ended up examining even the final statement of John Doyle Lee regarding the trial held years after the sad events of Mountain Meadows. Naturally, I was poorly prepared for the encounter with a peculiar doctrine (I think the self-proclaimed founding prophet used that adjective) and a fascinating history, including the existence of a large territory of its own (Deseret) and a respectable militia, as well as " mormon" currency and alphabet. I can add, so as not to make this message too long, that I know why the tapir has become a symbol for those who have made the brave decision to take their own destiny into their hands, giving up the feeling of relative security provided by the Brighamite membership. I have great respect and also admiration for anyone who is capable of conquering his personal freedom, breaking the chains imposed by year long indoctrination, after a complicated and painful process of introspective analysis. It does not require much insight or explanation to understand why acts as seemingly inconsequential as putting a cup of aromatic coffee in your mouth or wearing an "immodest" swimsuit in public can have an important meaning, even marking a stage of conquest. of individual freedom and self-affirmation. You ExMos who, with all certainty, are the majority of the subscribers of this remarkable channel, are people as brave as they are valuable. I hope to be welcomed in your community, even in my mexican NeverMo condition.
I want to pet your cat
He’s interested
43:32 omg pet him please
I 100% recommend community college! I went when everything was online in 2020 and I decided not to pay 50k/year for what I could get for like 2k. Best thing that could’ve happened to me.
I'm wondering if BYU is like Liberty University an evangelical university. My sister went to college in that area but not Liberty and she described LU students as stuck-up weird and during COVID either not wearing a mask or not knowing how to properly wear a mask and doesn't care about learning how(I assume)
I guess Eastern Washington University accepted BYU Idaho credits because there were quite a few people there who got kicked out of byu while I was there.
There were also a few Mennonites as well. I don't know if they got kicked out of Mennonite college, or if that is even a thing. I never actually talked to any of them.
If you are still friends with the girl you wrote the “scathing article” about her using the vibrater, you can should share with her your Belsa give away lol
Did I hear that right? AA for someone who wore shorts on campus? 😂
Ending with “we will be fapping in total silence” 😊wow. The product integration is flawless.
BYU Oahu is just surrounded by a crowd of party kids, I feel like RA’s leaning towards letting shit slide is just necessary, otherwise they’d have to report 50% of kids.
I went there when it was still Ricks College (graduated the year before Bednar took over). Don’t know if it changed when it became a 4 year school, but it was basically high school 2.0 - only more strict.
One of the dumbest things was the required religion class where we had to take tests on whatever whacked out doctrine they were teaching, that would totally affect our GPA (which would determine where we could transfer for our bachelor’s)
Yep!!
Was it just flip flops or all open toed foot wear that was banned?
It was specifically flip flops! Haha
@@ZelphOntheShelf😅 that's so weird! Thanks for enlightening us!!
I had a coworker who was kicked out of BYUI because he was gay. They revoked his credits and he had to redo a bunch of courses at a different University
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39:08 that bishop is giving Chad and Lori Daybell vibes. If it was Rexburg, highly possible!
from someone who is currently living at BYUI and has seen from multiple queer friends how incredibly bad the bishops are here, i’m completely sure that bishop that girl talked about did say that and did mean that and is probably still a bishop here. i was lucky enough that my bishops have tried to ignore my existance and i was happy to let them for most of my time here
not only that but i feel like most people who heard that would quietly agree with the bishop. not to your face, but they would say he was in the right. bishops have so much power here and there is no regulation or way to get help if they are harming you and they have power over so much of your life. so many of them are power hungry and know they can get away with whatever they want with no concequences. the things ive heard in sacrament meetings are insane and not okay and it’s essentially part of the school. my bishop has outright told me school wards have different rules and are completely seperate from most as a way to explain why i had to go to church even though when i did i had dangerous medical problems. it’s genuinely insane
I need to go through my old hard drives but I thnk I have a mp4 of that video because I remember saving it so that I could send it to a friend of mine. slight chance I have a copy
You guys were in Rexy when I was. Wild place under ol' Kimmy Boy. Btw, that "fapping is war" video may be possible to find on the Wayback Machine.
Important timestamp 19:06 😺
55:51 nailed it
The getting ghosted by your school story is blowing my mind. I once brought up polygamy in a conversation with my super old school TBM father, and not only did he pull the “it’s really not crazy, compared to the polyamorous stuff being normalized today and they don’t have any room to judge” card (he didn’t give me the chance to address the many gaping flaws in that argument) but he went on to tell me how really in the church there’s no attempt to conceal the truth about polygamy at all, cuz he was taught alll about it very openly at byu back in his day, in a way that didn’t jeapordize anyone’s faith whatsoever. I tried to explain that that’s not case for most lds members who are shocked to the core to discover the true nature of the church’s past, and that it does understandably put their faith on the line because it is suuuch a stark contrast to the messages they’ve absorbed through the church their whole lives. It’s impossible for that not to feel like dishonesty. And that even if it was always broached in college, why only then? Why is it not information that’s available at every stage of the Mormon experience, alongside the other selective parts of church history that you are taught as a youth? Well obviously, the guy who got kicked out of byu for asking about it had a vastly different experience then my dad, and I have to wonder if that’s because he had actual ethics and opposed the horrors of early lds polygamy, instead of my dad who ate up the justifications and now, chillingly, has no problem with it.
sorry for all the comments i just have a lot of thoughts but this is for the viewers who may see this: i went to BYUI already exmo as a way to escape my parents and because it was the easiest option that would cause the least conflict. the freedom from my parents covered up how bad the school was at first but it quickly became just as bad to be at this school. dont do it. i have friends who arent even fully exmo who are genuinely upset BYUI will be on their deploma. dont do it. i know people because of queerness or the hostile environment who tried so hard to graduate but were kicked out for something small like staying out too late or not going to church enough or being queer and had to start college all over again and go into even more dept because they lost years of college credit. dont do it. even if you graduate and are fine with BYUI on your deploma the reason the credits dont transfer is because most of the classes dont have a good cariculum. you wont get a good education at BYUI, dont do it.
You guys always make me feel like I have friends. I should be here more often. You make me smile. Thanks🌸💕
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Great sweater Sam.
My Mormon Ex-wife years ago went to BYU-H, though at the time it was called "Ricks College." She told me that one time while she was a student there, a doctor prescribed for her "The pill," in order to help regulate her cycle, which always had been a bit whacky. When her fellow student roommate saw her medication (the pill) in her medicine cabinet in the bathroom, this room mate had a melt down saying that Mormon women "weren't supposed to take the pill," because of the Church instruction for married couples to not limit their having of kids. Discernment = ZERO, even if the counsel was good, but which it wasn't anyway.
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A guy I dated right before I went to byui threaten to r3pe me. Years later I found out he was going to be coming to byui while I was there. I reported him to title 9 and they said they couldn’t do anything about it because it happened before he came to byui. A couple semesters later he got kicked out for the same allegations. Found out recently he got accepted back into byui a year after getting kicked out. Insane!
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I freaking love these 2 darling hilarious and insanely intelligent young adults and not me tuning in partly to see what the cool kids are wearing these days ! 🥰
THAT’S SO NICE 🥹💜💜💜
Very interesting! I myself flunked out of MIT, but, looking back on it, I'm quite sure I could've easily gotten expelled for violating the harassment policy! But at least I didn't die falling out of a windrow while drunk! That's why we (the survivors) mourn the ones who did! 👀💀
What?!
@ZelphOntheShelf eh, I'm talking about student deaths at MIT. Flunking out and dying are two very different kinds of "mourning," but they're still both a kind of mourning! Everything is mourning! Isn't that what we've been learning over the past few years? It's mourning in America, comrades! 💀🤘
Did you all have the religion class lecture about how the secular community stole humanism from God's truths about our divine nature?
I got essentially that from my history of psychology class
We were learning about philosophy and the prof gave us papers that listed different philosophies with columns explaining them, and under the column "problems", for post modernism it said in like all caps "IS LEADING TO THE DOWNFALL OF THE FAMILY AND IS CORRUPTING WESTERN UNIVERSITIES" or smth like that
@brooksfaucette296 that's wild!!! Did you agree with any of the philosophies at the time? I loved and love secular humanism at the time and was like, mmm I'm pretty sure this didn't come from God. It's better on its own
@@brooksfaucette296 "downfall of the family." Nothing must be more fragile than the family, the way so many denominations say that so many things are attacking it.
Confession? I once showed my students the BYU honor code and some short clips of people's honor code horror stories to let them see how bad our public university really wasn't. "Well if you think Campus PD writing you a ticket for drinking underage was bad, let me show you the LDS church's honor code at its universities..."
I was forced to leave the church because of the judgement and non-acceptance of my mutton chops! 😱
I have mixed feelings when talking about my BYU experience. I absolutely loved attending the school, and it really is a great academic institution. But then I now look back and wish that I had had the opportunity to have a ‘normal’ dating experience like my straight counterparts. Although I totes would have married a man I’d be divorced from by now if that was a normal thing in the church. 😜😂
So many additional wild BYU stories I could share, but I’ll share the similar ones. Also dated a 6’5” bf lol & this one ALSO commented on my jeans. Said they were too tight & worried that if he married me, I would tell my daughters that was OK to wear tight jeans one day😮.RA’s inspecting us like cattle before the formal dance to see if dresses were up to standard. older men at ward activities yes so creepy! Freshman year one in a wheelchair rolled over from across the room unsolicited started lecturing me about me how my skirt would lead men to bad thoughts. It was a baggy polo T-shirt dress. I did have long legs for my height, but I’d say at most it was an inch too short? So creepy.-upskirt angle for him.
Men having spiritual dreams they should marry me. Taking roommate for pregnancy test & watching her be drilled in church courts when their athlete bf were not. Being forced to go to BYU, even though I had scholarships at many universities including Stanford, the parental coercion is so similar. Your advice that if you have any reservations, then BYU could be a disaster. I really underestimated this. I feel like in a way you can kind of predict who will have a good experience at BYU or on a mission. Sadly, people shouldn’t ignore this and do what’s best for them. Then when I asked my roommate why a female can’t be the clerk when females are stereotypically good at making appointments and book keeping & the calling has nothing to do with priesthood it was an honest sincere question, She told me I was an apostate. I was so TBM and sacrifice so many opportunities to attend BYU like God wanted. So hurtful.
Anyway, many more similar experiences to all the ones you mentioned but also some wild ones that are way worse. I’ll have to share one day.!😂Thanks for your coverage! I am still laughing about your scouting video after years of my father yelling at me that my son will have no leadership if I don’t put him in scouting. Your video really illustrated the opportunities that scouting gives.😂 I’d love to see another one of your videos depicting this entire BYU life that you talked about in this video!🙏
I related to this video a little too much as someone who went to a conservative evangelical university that would have thrown me out if they had found out I was queer and I didn't accept conversion therapy. But hey, we live on, and it gets better. Don't do it if you have another choice, but to anyone who ended up in a school like this, I promise you can survive and you can find joy
I've never been Mormon but my first two sexual encounters were with Mormon girls. I don't think the church leaders have any idea how wild many LDS girls are. I think all that repression is having a boomerang effect.
The amount of Banksy in this video is perfection 🥰
I’m almost out of BYUI and I’ve been openly trans and queer and secretly exmo the entire four years ive been here. I genuinely have developed severe paranoia because of the surveillance culture here. I would get called to the honor office at least once a semester because my roommates or neighbors told on me for something they would only know about via spying. people from our ward would literally tell on me for things they could only know from looking through my blinds and listening through the door. I only stayed this long because i would be homeless without student loans and housing but that also ment that i was in constant terror of not just loosing my housing, but my livelihood as a disabled person trying to figure things out. not even going to mention how beyond aweful the school itself and the school bishops have been to me as a disabled person. ive been often physically unable to go to church and my bishop said he wouldnt endorse me if i didnt. i suggested a zoom like non-school wards do for the elderly but school wards arent allowed to brodcast or record their meetings. i was forced to attend meetings even though i would actively have seizures and have to leave crying because of the physical damage it did to me. and all this man did was say he was happy to see me at church no sympathy for my pain or offer to help.
oh an added note to this was i went to 5 different departments at the school about this begging for help or support or advacacy. the disability department, the dean of students, no one could do anything. if the bishop got me kicked out for being disabled no one would be able to help.
Do we need a pillow sent
Sam CLICKBAITED, 2024, captured in 4K
Someone please explain the “eating a tiramisu to baptize an apostate grandparents” thought experiment 😭
It’s from Jack Weyland’s “Adam’s Story”, the third book in the “Charly” series!
Guys it's literally on utube I just googled it & watched it lol? 😅
WHAT????
@@ZelphOntheShelfhere ya go you must mean this right? This guy is reviewing it but it runs it! ua-cam.com/video/Ueuz0-Rnd5c/v-deo.htmlsi=DG7oVAZVvUJvCd7i
59:51 chunky cat
Raise your hand if you got married while at BYUI 🖐️ (bonus if you had a baby or two while there)
Single forever!
soaking is fun
Were you a Ridge girl???
I SURE WAS (just for one semester)
12:20 Oh boy my favorite heathen home-shopping televangelists are on! 🖕😈 🤙 #FillingTheHoleLeftByBrodcastTV
HOT NEW VID JUST DROPPED. BABE I HAVE TO GO BE A MEGAFAN. YOU WOULDNT GET IT.
What’s wrong with tiramisu
Contains coffee ;)
Ricks College
Making a cult cool?
Non-LDS here, but seriously, you knew full well what you were signing up for.
We didn’t claim we didn’t, but we were also young and naive and the LDS Church lies to its members about its own history/finances/etc. So you could say there was no informed consent.
When you are born into a belief system, consent is more gray than black and white.
In that case, not sure you have enough context to go full-steam into that opinion bud
48:42 so you are open about sexuality, open about sex toys, you complain about BYU and church rules, etc... but you get upset about a 18 girl dating a 26yo man... 😂😂
Yes!
Embarrassing that after 48 minutes of watching, you thought this was the great 'gotcha'...
Fun video, but the pet in front of the camera is really unnecessary
Controversial take!!!! The audience loves him!! 😜
@ZelphOntheShelf clearly not all the audience :)
Again, what is the point here? Just because you were unable to adapt to BYU school rules, it doesn't automatically mean everything is evil. By the way, the fact that you sponsored a VIBRATOR just adds salt to the wound. Why are you so bent on bashing LDS members? Is it some sort of personal vendetta?😥🙏😔
We adapted perfectly to BYU rules lol
...to the detriment of their mental health, in fact! This stuff is measurable, my guy