UPDATE: As of 12/24/24 (yes, Christmas Eve) 4 The Mems announced that they will be closing their online store. While Cecily and Samantha initially teased that 4 The Mems would be launching future collections, it seems like they have decided to shut down business earlier than expected. The website is still live, but only for processing returns. 4 The Mems pjs will no longer be sold. Christmas cash grab: complete ✅ ANOTHER UPDATE: The website is only live to process returns, but remember that the policy listed on the site says that they only accept returns in exchange for store credit… but now the store is closed 😂 Soooo, basically they’re not accepting returns. Cool 👍🏼
But also did you notice, the website still says that the returns will be refunded in store credits! When there is no more store! Scam scam scam scam scam! ✅
I don't know if you'll see this, but after hearing your personal stance on free returns I just wanted to recommend you check out the video "You're Getting Screwed By Free Returns" by Climate Town.
@@Nostradankus Haven't watched that so I might be repeating them, but I do hope people know that in a lot of cases, you ARE paying for the return even if the company sends you a prepaid label, because they will deduct the cost of that label from your refund.
@@Cammasiaoh it’s super common, especially in kids clothes. I buy something with draw strings thinking I’ll be able to tighten it for my kids and then they’re just fake stupid strings on the waistband.
Grrrr men can't have fun, like things, or have interests! That's a woman thing...apparently lol. I guess men are supposed to just be macho and that's it, that's a personality. X'D
I was definitely a little offended at their bending to toxic masculinity. “Aww! The wittle big man doesn’t wanna wear a cwistmas twee on his shirt!” Like, Christmas is literally the perfect opportunity for a dude to chill the fuck out and wear bright colors and silly designs. I love wearing the silly stuff my wife buys for me too wear during the holidays. Hell, she even gets stuff for her eyes only. Got a pair of boxers that have a picture of a candy cane and say “I licked it so it’s mine.” A t-shirt and pants? We can do better fellow men/dads.
frrr their mens pajamas are so ugly and boring. why wouldn't men just use sweatpants and tshirts they already own? the women's pajamas at least have some kind of pattern but the men's ones are literally just one plain colour
@@BMLMMy thought too, it seems like they cater to men who don’t want to wear matching anything and may tolerate it with these since they barely match at all. Pretty sad to me!
As a non-American the idea of needing matching pyjamas of all things (because you'll barely even see them, you'll be asleep for most of the time wearing them!), to wear for one night and buying new ones every year sounds absurdly wasteful, scam or not!
It's pretty typical to wear one's PJs for the entire morning (usually until after breakfast) on Christmas day in North America...so they do make a little more sense. They're still stupid and I'm glad my family never did it, but just to be fair on the purpose.
The way a lot of Americans do matching Christmas jammies-buy matching sets, don’t ever wear them again after Christmas morning photos-admittedly seems silly and disposable, but at least for our family (we rarely buy new clothes, much less pajamas), it’s simply a chance for everyone in the family to get a new pair of needed PJs and create happy memories associated with them. We wear ours Christmas Eve and most of Christmas Day, and for the adults (whose size doesn’t change) it becomes our new pair of winter pajamas for the rest of the year, joining all our well-worn pairs from previous Christmases. We don’t ONLY wear them for Christmas! And for the kids (whose size does change from year to year), getting a new pair of Christmas Eve pajamas helps them let go of their too-small pair of PJs from the previous year. That said, we just get basic tartan flannel pajamas 50% off at a regular store like Target and call it good. We don’t get fancy.
Also, like Hannah notes, buying new pajamas for the whole family at once doesn’t HAVE to be expensive, depending on where you shop-I just checked my receipts, and our family pajamas for this year were under $40 total from Target (including tax), because I bought them on a good holiday sale. That’s better than buying new pajamas any other time of the year! For non-wealthy families, buying winter pajamas under the “Christmas gift” budget makes sense.
@@heatherfinch2367 The fact that it's cheap doesn't make it less wasteful. If at all, it makes it more so because it already takes the fact that it's disposable into account. The labour and resources that go into these are not sufficiently appreciated by wearing them once. Not at all.
Yeah, and my husband would MUCH rather wear the patterns than those tshirts with the tacky sayings. At least give him the option of patterned pants. Then he could just wear a plain white t.
@@pietrofattorelloThat’s where my mind went too. Especially after the gendered comment they have on their website that Hannah read. My husband would much rather wear patterns over wearing a shirt that calls himself a “snack.”
Do I have a family with children to buy matching PJs? No. Do I even know who these people are? No. Did I watch the entire video because Hannah is literally saying the same things I am thinking while watching this? Yes.
Yup, same. Plus I watched Kiki Chanel’s hour long video on the exact same topic. I have no idea who these people are and I don’t care about matching PJs or Christmas PJs at all 😂
We opted for MATCHING skeleton family pj's this year for Halloween 😁 can't afford both so we're passing on Christmas PJs this year. Am I still here? For both this vid AND KiKis?? Yup and Yup 😅
And they can't even bother to use the same print or fabric! They used different fabrics so they do not match, so what's the point. Especially worse on the green tarTAN.
This actually had me wondering "are they made in China?" before she said that they were. My husband found a hoodie on Amazon he really liked which was made in China and it has two sizes on it, the "Asia" size and the "US" size. The US size is a size smaller than the Asia size xD
Silk PJ are really just the worst materials to make for PJs. Sounds like a comfortable sleep but then they get a bit of static & they just cling to you like wet paper
Hey Hannah! I actually used to work in the fashion industry, specifically for a business that helped designers without fashion backgrounds create product lines, and we did our own in-house printing. I am also a bit of a nerd for high-quality pajamas, so I have some insight for you on these products! First of all, I hate to burst your bubble, but bamboo IS rayon. Rayon is a fabric made from wood pulp, when something is labelled 'Bamboo', it just means that bamboo is the wood type used to create the fibres. That said, many rayon from bamboo can be very high quality materials, but it is not in an of itself a higher quality material than something labelled 'rayon'. Just like you can have high quality cotton and super cheap cotton, both labelled 100% cotton. It depends on the manufacturing process. Rayon from bamboo is considered one of the more sustainable fabrics, though, as bamboo grows faster than other wood sources, but there are other high quality and sustainable rayon fabrics, like Modal (A brand name of rayon). Secondly, most of these PJs are absolutely out of the box pre-made generic products they slapped their own prints onto. If you look at the tartan baby jumpsuit on the website, the stripes are not straight, and the back of the fabric is white, and the print goes across the zippers. These are printed using a process called sublimation, which is a cheaper printing process, but also only works on synthetic fabrics. I believe all the kids and men's products were printed using sublimation on out of the box, white labelled pajamas. The women's would have had to be 'built', as we called it, meaning going through the traditional process of designing the pattern and fabric, printing the fabric on the roll, and then cutting and sewing. The reason for some being prone to shrinking and not others is that fabric reacts to different all-over prints like this in different ways. For high-quality brands, we'd pre-wash fabrics to remove shrinkage. The fact that the shrinking problem, and all the fit problems tells me these products were not fit-tested, which is where you make the product in a few different sizes and send them to various people to wear for a few days and get feedback about how they wear, fit, etc, so that you can tweak the design and manufacturing process before sending them out. It's a step so many people are cutting out when designing new products to save money, but means things like pants legs being too long, or fabrics shrinking are not being caught before being sent out to customers. The price of these pajamas would not in and of themselves would not be over-priced, if they were a higher quality fabric or made under more ethic conditions. For example, 100% cotton flannel pajamas from LL Bean or Lanz of Salzburg are a similar price, but are GREAT quality. Calling any clothing item 'over-priced' this day and age can be tricky because we are used to extremely cheap clothing made in unethical conditions. That said, these are made in China, which means they are VERY unlikely to be made under ethical conditions and are comparable to Old Navy or Walmart pajamas. The brief time I worked in product design, these types of people who came in to design a clothing line with no fashion background were always a nightmare. They claim they didn't know how much goes into designing a product line. Do you know who does? The people you hire to help you design the product! And yet so many of these influencers would think they knew better than us, would want to cut a bunch of corners, and then get mad when stuff didn't turn out exactly how they wanted. New products take time to design, build, fit, tweak, and they never wanted to spend the time or money to design a product properly.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge! I agree that if the materials had been high quality, and they had been manufactured in the US, those prices would not be so out of line.
an apparel designer here- the color matching issue is due to a lack of a process called lab dipping. Someone is supposed to check each different fabric under different types of light to ensure all different "santa reds" match each other, regardless of fabric type. Someone on the back end should be going "red is too saturated, too dark, too blue. resubmit more options". Trims and prints should be checked, too. This whole launch reeks of a rush job! If I'm spending that money, I'm going Hanna Andersen.
My biggest beef with family pj sets is this: why do we keep giving dad a tshirt? They never really MATCH with the family. Give him a button up, too, damn.
It is quite annoying how men's clothes are mostly boring whereas women's clothes have more variety. It is especially apparent when looking for sewing patterns
For real!!! My grandparents have REAL matching Christmas pajamas. Both are button up. Red, white lining/embroidery and grandpa's breast pocket is embroidered with "Ho Ho Ho". Button ups are gender neutral so why are they just throwing a tshirt and joggers on men for "pajamas"?
The solution is to simply wear women's clothing, at least as far as pajamas go; my mother and sister and I sometimes all match, bc we have similar tsstes in soft and cute pajayjays@@defalur
makes it worse when you're plus sized, tall, and like your pants to fit *below* the ankles. I have returned super comfy pants cuz they rise above my ankles when I bend over. or flared pants that just look like straight pants on me. without having an idea of what the sizing is like, these PJs would be a no-go for me
Assuming all men are opposed to patterns is asinine. My husband would be annoyed if his was so plain compared to mine. AND the price point is INSANE! I could get a cuter set at target
I am from India, I don't even celebrate Christmas, and here I am watching some spicy tea on American pajama sets 😂😂😂😂 Gurl- DO NOT stop making these videos 🩷
I work at Old Navy headquarters as the merchandising lead over kids pajamas. Something else that stands out to me is the kids sets don't appear to be fire resistant or snug fit. Kids PJs have to follow extremely strict fire safety guidelines, and to me these dont appear compliant. Maybe the average consumer isn't scrutinizing those details, but it's incredibly alarming and potentially dangerous if these kids sets, as they're described on their website, are indeed made of non treated synthetic fabrics. If, God forbid, they catch on fire, they will melt into a kids' skin. If Old Navy didn't adhere to those regulations or disclose fire safety compliance info, our kids sets would be recalled immediately.
This is such an interesting point, thank you for sharing. I love it when people take the time to share insights that enhance the dialogue and add to the experience of the video. Love it!!
I came here to see if anyone said this. I remember a huge recall because of sizes not matching fit on Christmas PJs somewhere. As a Mom and Grandma I would never buy these for my kiddos, not safe at all.
As someone who knew a severely burned little girl whose nightgown had caught fire as she was kneeling near a fireplace, thank you for bringing this up. All parents need to make sure the nightwear they purchase for their children is safe, it’s not an over exaggeration to demand fire retardant nightwear for children.
@@jenniferheyden4843 I actually thought clothes made in a certain way DO only shrink in one direction, and I have plenty of shirts that became shorter but not tighter, that would support that thought. Unfortunately, I couldn't tell you what causes this exactly - I believe it has something to do with warp and weft?
Cecily might just be your content final boss haha - former MLM hun, hurricane vacationer, out of touch cash grab influencer. If she starts van life now I might be able to call Hannah Alonzo BINGO
Something tells me their extremely conservative, emotionally constipated husbands threw a fit at having to use prints (le gasp!) and they assumed all men would have the same stick up their behinds about it.
I'm a European and English is not my mother tongue, but I still have a bigger vocabulary for describing different qualities of a pajama than these two American influencers.
Honey, as an ESL person myself and an ESL teacher, I can assure you that any advanced English learner speaks better English than most Americans. Just the way Americans have been butchering grammar lately makes me see red!
If your clothes shrink when you wash them (especially if they're cotton), that's because whoever made them didn't pre-wash it, and that's just cheap production. Repeat after me: comments that aren't praising isn't inherently hate
Starting a pajama brand business can be an exciting venture! Here are several key points to consider: 1. **Market Research**: Understand your target market. Are you aiming for luxury, casual, or children's pajamas? Analyze competitors and identify gaps in the market. 2. **Unique Selling Proposition (USP)**: Determine what will set your brand apart. This could be sustainable materials, unique designs, or specific features like temperature regulation. 3. **Design and Development**: Create designs that resonate with your target audience. Consider comfort, functionality, and style. Collaborate with designers if needed. 4. **Fabric Selection**: Choose high-quality fabrics that are comfortable and durable. Cotton, bamboo, and modal are popular choices for pajamas. 5. **Sourcing and Manufacturing**: Decide whether to manufacture locally or overseas. Research potential manufacturers and establish quality control measures. 6. **Branding**: Develop a strong brand identity, including a memorable name, logo, and packaging. Your brand's story can help connect with customers. 7. **Pricing Strategy**: Set competitive pricing that reflects your brand's positioning while covering costs and ensuring profitability. 8. **Online Presence**: Establish a website and consider e-commerce platforms. Invest in social media marketing to reach a wider audience. 9. **Legal Considerations**: Register your business, obtain necessary permits, and understand regulations regarding textiles and consumer goods. 10. **Sales Channels**: Decide where to sell your products-online, in physical stores, or at pop-up events. Each channel has its own set of strategies for success. 11. **Customer Service**: Plan for effective customer service to handle inquiries, returns, and feedback. Positive customer experiences can lead to repeat business. 12. **Sustainability**: Consider incorporating eco-friendly practices, as many consumers today prefer brands that prioritize sustainability. By addressing these areas, you'll be better prepared to launch your pajama brand successfully. Good luck!
They just started!!! People learn change business model pricing quality! Those UA-cam influencers are not perfect either ! They feed on other people’s content/ work and attempts to do better !
Cecily making it so hard to return pajamas is a little funny to me because she was in one of your influencer videos wearing pajamas that still had the tag on them acting like she just woke up! She doesn’t want people to do what she does, buy pajamas just to film in and then send them back!
I'm from Holland and I've never heard of these two ladies untill this. Can someone post a link or title of that video. That is so funny 😂 awful and shame less but funny
My wife watches you all the time and loves your content. She asked that I comment asking what you do with your hair. She thinks it's very shiny. Thank you!
@idontreadrepliesdawgMaybe she can’t speak English? Or is disabled and can’t type/text talk herself? Maybe she’s anxious and afraid to comment on anything online? There are lots of possible reasons why, I don’t know the answer myself because it’s not my business. 🤷🏻♀️
"Hard to find matching pj's for the whole family.." Umm, IN WHAT WORLD? I laughed when you touched on that point because you are exactly right, there is nothing unique or ground breaking about these at ALL! Matching tartan pj's have only been a thing for...decades?
Too add to this, I'm from a country where Christmas is taught about in English classes as a winter holiday or seen in American movies. And there are matching PJs in Christmas patterns every December lol
I said the same thing. I have a 4YO boy and a 2YO girl and we've been getting matching pj's since my daughter was born. They sell them at Aldi for $12.99. Walmart and target sell them for under $25 and they make them for men women children toddlers and infants.
Considering Cecily is a Christian, and is advising people to put these overpriced pj's on a payment plan is insane. The Bible says for us to not be in debt to anyone, and she's telling her followers "be in debt to me for pj's your kids can only wear once!" Also the price is just screaming greed, because it does not cost them that much to produce these.
That was a detail I was sad to hear... how can some christians be so out of touch with what the Bible teaches? It is time American christians unnormalize getting into debts over anything other than education (because the US system is broken). We do not have to go with the culture around us!
@@titinusaubertmaybe you both know more but didn’t her husband stop being a pastor at their church because she wouldn’t stop being a content creator? 😂 I thought I heard that rumor. But great points - so sad to monetize a holiday that shouldn’t be monetized in the first place!
I agree. I have recently seen someone that is a professional (not an influencer) come out with merchandise and it feels almost like a betrayal to me (even though that's a strong word), but it really feels like "oh that's why you are building a following, so that you can profit off of them and sell them products." It really puts the influencer in a bad light in my eyes. I have actually stopped following influencers when they turn too commercial, I don't need another product being thrown at my face, thank you!
Their “apology” video was dripping with condescending remarks. The blonde chick is PISSED! We all know they’re making bank with these non-matching, polyester, rayon, copycat pj’s even with their”price reduction”. They seriously paid $5-$9 per set! Kiki Chanel posted in her video where someone saw how much they paid per set. It’s embarrassing how much they’re robbing people over this junk.
Yes!! All I could think during their “apology” video was how they had blocked a ton of people voicing their concerns, yet say that they were so happy to learn about everyone’s feedback… please. Then lowering the prices to make them more affordable, while most of them were only dropped by like $15 bucks is so delusional lol these chicks seem like a nightmare
I don't know who these ladies are but felt the same. I almost feel empathy and truth from the brunette. The blonde, however, oh she was NOT happy making these changes or this video. Someone forced her to agree with the changes and the "apology". Lol You can mute the video and see it all over her face 🤣
@@Harleyquinn156 Yes!! Oh wow. She should have worked this through first before coming online and "apologizing". You truly can see it all over her face. This video does NOT help the issue.
Cheap materials, no practical refund policy, negative reviews, inflated prices, HORRIBLY presented products (photography, no size charts, saying they have pearl buttons when they aren't, etc), inconsistent "matching" family PJs, delivering incorrect sizes. These are all just facts- no opinion needed.
18:29 my jaw literally dropped. They actually think their stuff is more than luxury-tier? The men’s and boy’s clothing looks horrible. It’s not even matching other than the logos. It’s casual sweatpants and a shirt for nearly 50 bucks. And the baby clothing price is insane. Not accepting returns, clothing shrinks, horrible advertising, and absurd prices. They shouldn’t even be allowed to open a store. Ever.
Yeah, and it seems to me that there are, in this world, graduated experts in business, marketing and fashion who can help them... they also can take classes on these subjects, but hey, they wanted to make money as soon as possible.
That might be my favorite part of this whole shitshow-“we really have no idea what we’re doing! Like, building a brand from the ground up is like really hard! We’re just totally incompetent!” 🤣🙄
Also, notice the one on the left and how much she didn't want to apologize. The expression, the tone, and what she says all screams "ugh...I really didn't want to actually deal with my followers. I just wanted their money."
Also the whoe is me about not masking a profit when lowering the price, and the fake smiles are not helping. They also seem to pretent the prices are the only problem.
On the contrary we should normalise hating on scamming influencers who are trying to milk their followers for money. This is not normal. These people don't even know how to run a business. Not every owner deserves a successful business just by the virtue of being. If you're running a bad business, drop ship, try to guilt and gaslight customers you deserve to fail
*Agreed!* There is no need to be nice to people who are buying mass-produced bland crap, _slightly_ altering it, and then reselling it at a *huge* markup to con their followers into lining their pockets. Especially when they run their 'business' horribly.
As an MBA holder, I am convinced that Hannah would be a STRONG force to be reckoned with in the business world. You have your head on straight girly, and your no-nonsense attitude and genuine nature will get you far ♥️
I’m halfway through the video so not sure if you mentioned it… but can we also recognize how pointlessly gendered these pajamas are?! Men can wear matching pj shirts and bottoms… it’s not emasculating in any way!!
literally! there's nothing about the designs that people percieve as gendered either! if the mens and womens ones were the same, no one would even bat an eye. wearing a pattern isn't emasculating. come on man
She does touch on it around the 29:50 mark when discussing the descriptions of the ornament set! It’s honestly crazy, how are any of these prints only appropriate for a certain gender like what 😂
Same here, and I’m an older millennial (born in 83 so I’ve been around since Hamster Dance and All Your Base) and I’ve only ever heard “for the memes”.
Technically gen z here, I also thought it was "for the memes" but thought that can't be right, but the second Hannah talked about how they're meant for matching on Christmas is when it clicked, but I still have never heard that phrase before
Not only are the prints cringy, whats the likelihood that many men will wear something that says "Santa came to sleigh" and "out here looking like a snack"?
I am here thinking whats so femenine about a whole dark red pijama set?much better than a cringey see trought graphic tee 😅,my grandpa likes those kinds of pjs ,also the blue and green ones will be so much better if at least the pants match the same print as the women and kids.
The shock I had when I opened UA-cam, saw this, then scrolled down and saw it was posted a minute ago. I've just recently found your channel and its genuinely so refreshing to be here. You're very kind and understanding, but not so "kind" that you excuse poor behavior in favor of not offending people. And you're very fact based in what you tell us, or are at least very clear when you're giving your own opinion. I personally find that hard to find, so thank you so very much. I'm glad UA-cam has people like you here.
@@medalliogreen243 I did too! This channel brings me such peace of mind, even while she's talking about concerning topics(looking at you mlm's) it's just handled so maturely. Her channels such a gem♡
I’m a GenXer, and regarding the catchphrases…. I have no idea what any of that nonsense means. 😂 So then I showed this to my college-senior daughter, and her EXACT reaction was, and I quote, “Oh. Cringe.” 😂😂😂
@@tangentartists6876 $58 for PJs that a baby will probably throw up on in 4 minutes... that you have to lay flat to dry because they couldn't bother to use decent fabric 🙄
I just have to say, I’ve been such a gullible social media consumer. I have been binging all your videos in the last couple weeks. You have opened my eyes to so many things and I look at everything online so differently now. Thank you!!!
I'm shocked that the issue of wastefulness is not being discussed at all here?? As you say-- this is a "single use product"--high price point or not, it simply should not exist in the first place. Textile workers are being exploited to make those garments at those Target and Walmart prices (and even probably many of the "luxury" brand prices as well). For people to wear once and then, what? Throw away? "Donate" to a charity shop that will throw it away for you due to non-resellable poor quality? Not only are their followers wasting valuable money on poor quality products, but this is an appalling waste of resources, an inexcusable exploitation of underprivileged workers and a shameful promotion of overconsumption for items that will inevitably end up in landfill. This is the real point of infuriation for me.
I don't think Christmas pjs are a single use product. All my pjs are from Christmases past and I wear them year round. I definitely don't buy ones that are almost see-through like this brand though.
This. I can get buying matching PJs for quickly growing children, because they need new clothes all the time. But for adults? I cannot imagine buying new PJs every single winter. All these people need to travel to the developing world and get some perspective.
I don’t know I have a pair of Christmas PJs that were a part of my family’s matching set from when I was like 14 that I still have and wear at almost 30 😂
@@nomadic_orthodoxYup. Look at the "I gotta have the newest color or pattern of Stanley Cup" craze. People with dozens & dozens of Stanley Cups. They are a REUSABLE cup. They were literally designed to cut down on the wastefulness of disposable products. There is no need to have any more then say 3-4. One for work, one for home & maybe one for travel or what not. But definitely don't need 20-30 of them, never mind those that have like 50+ of them. Yet here we are with people buying all kinds of them 🤷♀️
I've been working in fashion in Paris in development for the last 10 years. Color-matching prints is one of the hardest, most tedious and longest tasks there is while developing a collection. Most of the times prints are taken off from production because of how difficult it is to get those colors to match perfectly. When there are several fabrics being used for a single print, it is even more of a daunting task. You would be surprised how hard it even is to match blacks (warm vs cool undertones, etc), so imagine how hard it is to match bright colors! I work in a luxury brand, so the name behind us allow us to have rush orders, but even then, it takes weeks, even months! As you said, this was probably rushed and definitely a quick cash grab. Launching a brand is definitely not an easy task, so props to them for diving right in. Next time, however, a little more research and a need to want a good product vs easy money should be more of a priority.
Quick questions as someone who doesn't know anything about fashion: Why is it so hard? I thought people just made one big piece of fabric with the desired pattern and then used it for the whole collection. In this case, men and women's size
@@thebookwitch895 Definitely! once you get a print on a fabric with the approved colors it should be fine. In this case, they had one printed fabric and solid fabrics that didn't match. In general maybe you want the same print for a t-shirt in jersey, but then you also want it for a canvas tote bag and for a matching swimsuit. Because they are all made up of different fibers, they take in color differently. Normally you would send all your manufacturers a pantone color for them to match and hope for the best! Sorry for the short explanation, I'm not really sure I answered the question or not, hehe.
@@thebookwitch895one of the most frustrating things about print design is that the people who “design” the print aren’t always as knowledgeable as the people who Design the print. When I worked in Italy my boss would give us colour references printed onto paper instead of the actual cmyk values, so when we changed it to the PMS values for the printers, he’d get pissy. Four times a year that happened, for five arduous years. And don’t get me started on digital prints. Lower case d-designers will create something on photoshop and blow a gasket when the capital D-designers have to alter it to become a digital print.
I was waiting for this comment from an industry insider. I work in a different product field (paper products) but we need at around a full year to launch a new product. It is so much work and very detail oriented to get even a silly/ relatively simple paper products to market. Clothing!? I can just imagine what that entails. People (influencers) who are not designers think you can just dance on in and pop out a product without a lot of planning and good people to help you have no idea how much work it is and how much time you need. Obviously these results show what happens when you aren’t in the least detail oriented, especially if you are a newcomer to the field. Prices: insanity.
You know what's funny? Here in Brazil, such a problem wouldn't even exist. We have something called PROCON, an agency with rules dedicated to customer protection. With a return policy like that they would get a hefty fine. Thanks to PROCON, *every* online store in Brazil MUST receive the returned goods, for whatever reason (you don't need to justify it), within 7 days after you purchased them. It's a right.
also side note... "bamboo" fabric is rayon. So is Tencel (made from eucalyptus), Viscose (often pine, bamboo, or eucalyptus), and so is Modal (beech wood). RAYON literally is just the word we use to describe all and any man-made cellulose fibres. They all go through really environmentally un-friendly chemical processing, where viscose is typically more dangerous and destructive due to the chemicals used. but none of them are environmentally friendly and none of them are remotely "natural" materials. So here I was laughing that we are hearing people say "its bamboo, its better than rayon" or "its rayon, its cheaper than bamboo" when its like, babes, bamboo IS rayon.
Not exactly. Rayon and viscose is made from regenerated cellulose derived from wood pulp or bamboo, and the production process involves a lot of chemicals that are harmful to the environment if not managed properly. The process dissolves the cellulose and it is regenerated to form the fibers . When the material is made of bamboo it is called bamboo rayon. Real bamboo fibre is made from the pulp of bamboo plants, and mechanically processed to make the fibers. It is more eco-friendly, making it naturally hypoallergenic and moisture wicking. Because bamboo is fast growing and there is minimal chemical processing, it is a more eco friendly and sustainable material.
To add on, there are differences in the chemical processes for different cellulose fabrics, too. Modal is much more eco- and worker-friendly than rayon, especially old-school cold process rayon, which was Radium Girls-level deadly. Just speaking personally, I'll still take (modern!) rayon over thermoplastic fibers, i.e. polyester, nylon, spandex, etc. Between the horrorshow of oil extraction and microplastics from washing, it's the better option in my opinion.
@Sudenveri oh yeah 100% like, there are some that are far less dangerous overall, but it's still not as eco-friendly as fully natural fibers like cotton, wool, and silk.
So I happened to see a suggested yt for Grumpy Old Crone, a witch in England that hates polyester. She says to buy wool and boil it. She goes off on polyester. I mean OFF!
It makes sense to me considering the really low total stock at launch. The pyjamas are cheap to make, but I assume there were costs involved with design/website set up etc. They didn't say the pyjamas were sold at the cost of manufacture just no overall profit.
To be fair that is their fault for not planning well. If they added the costs and guessed the price range they have to sell, did some benchmarking, they would come to the conclusion that clothing is a risky business to start with. Or just stopped the process to think about all the manufacturing problems they had and pivoted to a less ambitious concept or canceled to save themselves from losing more money. This is very common. I mean, I'm also not pitying them as they have been living cushioned lives from being influencers, evident from how they had no shame with how things turned out.
@@mon4711 it would've probably been better for them to collaborate with an already established clothes company in making a special collection. That way they could've tipped their toes in the industry without exposing themselves to so much potential loss.
The thing that bothers me the most about this whole thing is that people always say "buy from small businesses to avoid fast fashion!" and this is a new business claiming to be super quality yet it's very clear their clothing quality is hardly any higher than Shein. I've gotten plenty of 100% cotton items off Shein so they really have no excuse lol
Yes, plenty of small businesses are also doing fast fashion, and they're often doing it with worse quality control and return policies than big businesses. It is true that smaller businesses are generally where to look to for quality clothing but word of mouth and research is so important because for every good business, there's probably 3 or 4 terrible ones.
Me a German who sits here at 32:00 and wonders: HOW ARE THESE RETURN POLICY LEGAL?! You would end up in court in Germany if you would try something like this as a german company. We have very strict consumer laws...You can get store credit however the shop must offer you: Store credit or send back the money from the orgianly payment methode. So if you buy with debit/ credit they must offer you to send the money back. The only time its okay to give store credit is when you paid with store credit / vouncher in the first place.
Das würde so durch die Decke gehen in der deutschen UA-cam Szene. Innerhalb von einem Tag würden wegen den Rückgabe Bedingungen (die nicht vorhanden sind) mehrere Videos gedreht werden. Aber ja, es ist echt unglaublich 😅
Außerdem 14 Tage bedingungsloses Rückgaberecht bei Onlineshopping. Musste so viel Recht im Bereich E-Commerce lernen und so viel an dem Laden würde hier in DE Probleme machen. Impressum und AGBs auf der Seite gibt es auch nicht. C
I am very glad the UK follows EU consumer goods regulations because same. I can’t imagine having to settle for store credit for a store that barely exists and also to charge a restocking fee on top of that. Actual madness.
I won't buy any item of clothing that doesn't include a size chart on the website. And non clothing items had better have various measurements included in the description also. We, as consumers, are owed as much information as possible!
The point of matching clothes is that it’s the same style, same fabric, same print, same colour. The only thing that should be different is the size!!!
I clicked on this not being very interested in the topic of the video but I watch all of the Influencer Insanity videos and I wasn't skipping one. 1 hour later I found myself 100% invested in all of the drama and actually sad that the video wasn't 2 hours long. Well done, Hannah. This was incredibly entertaining and also highly interesting.
Shetland here. Felt the same and was expecting a Tarte Tatin to show up randomly on the pj's from how they were saying it. I shouldn't have talked about it, I'm now craving one but it's 1:40am.
Items marketed as “bamboo” are actually rayon that has bamboo as a portion of the source materials. Once processed, rayon is all the same regardless of source materials. Don’t pay extra for “antibacterial bamboo” because the chemical process makes it moot. Marketing ploy. The WEAVE of the rayon fabric makes a difference in the feel.
I'm ready to bet they're 99% polyester... Material is the absolute first thing I look at when purchasing an item, doesn't matter if the fabric "is super soft" or "feels good". Only natural fibers can touch this skin girl
@@MandySimLandy Generally yes, natural fibers have a higher processing cost which makes things like polyester more cost effective. Natural fibers are generally preferred because of sustainability as well as breathability. Polyester also tends to hold onto smells so for things like workout clothes natural fibers are definitely the preference
@@MandySimLandy not really... Most expensive brands utilize shitty materials anyways lol. I shop from "fast fashion" like H&M or thrift cause that's all I can afford, and it's 💯 possible to find cotton at a low price there. I'm obviously limited in my style and choice because of this tho ( for example most online stores with cuter and more particular pieces only have polyester stuff ). Hope this answers your question
This was one of my fave vids of yours. I have watched a ton of you MLM's but doing a review of i fluencee insanity is a nice break. You were so chill in this vid.
If you buy stuff from small creators, it is going to be more expensive than buying from big creators, but typically, their quality is great, even better than what the bigger creators are doing. Because the audience is small, they care more about what their opinions are. My experiences are with two UA-camrs. Both have about a million followers. One sells merch clothing related to his channel and music and the other sells plushies related to channel inside jokes/memes. (And yes, I know, it's relative whether a million followers is a lot or not.)
20 minutes in, and the most shocking so far is that in the US there appears to be a tradition of buying matching christmas pyjamas for the whole family EVERY YEAR. How can you be so normal about "non-reusable clothing"? The point of clothing is to be used! The curse of fast fashion, I suppose.
American here. While I've seen family PJs in ads, I've never known a single person to have matching jammies for the whole family under any circumstance. This may be normal if you're wealthy, but not for working class.
I’m Russian, once my husband and I felt like red tartan pajamas, 5 years later still wearing them. Why not? New year, in your case Christmas, has the same patterns every year!
i’m 20 and for christmas this year my mom isn’t ready getting us new pjs. I still have the same pjs from when i was 15! if the pants were too tight i’ll just make them into short and not everyone grows the same, but at the same time, why is it necessary to buy new ones EVERY YEAR???? you could always reuse them.
This is really not a thing. I don't know anyone who does this, much less every year. I think it's yet another example of a "tradition" that was created by retailers. When I was a kid we DID get pajamas every year for Christmas, but they didn't match anyone else's, and they weren't Christmas themed. They were just normal pajamas that we'd then wear until we grew out of them.
"We've never done this before" is not an excuse. When you make a clothing line, you need to compete with all the other brands that have a team of people who went to school for fashion design and have years of experience. You've done a really good job summarizing the issues with this shitshow.
Adding to this, if someone had randomly FORCED them to make pajamas at gunpoint and they ended up sucking, then sure, "We've never done this before!" would be a valid excuse. But they were the ones who DECIDED to make pyjamas without knowing what the F they were doing... how is that not on them?
Okay I've been wanting Hannah bamboo coverage for a while and you mentioning LS and covering this situation is giving me such hope!! Please consider doing a video about the Bamboo Bliss drama because I would love to hear your thoughts on it as you always put things in such an eloquent and informed way! I also feel like the scamboo world is like the new version of MLM and I haven't seen any UA-cam creators talking about it really yet.
Hannah, thank you for your content. I also wanted to mention that you have incredibly beautiful speech. English is my third language, and in your videos, you always use relevant vocabulary. There's no repetition, no redundant information, and no fillers. Listening to you is a pleasure. And you are very beautiful, a full-fledged natural beauty.
I get overwhelmed so easily and Hannahs videos are always a source of clarity and peace. Thanks to this comment pointing it out, I now realise it's due to her very fine speech! ❤
I'm in grad school for Marketing and this video covered so many of the concepts I've learned about in my degree- setting your product apart from the competition, utilizing appropriate influencer marketing, listening to criticism, taking accountability, improving the product, etc. All things this brand didn't do, leading to a spectacular downfall. Super amazing, comprehensive video!!!
I really enjoyed watching this video. As a small business owner this reminded me that doing research and listening to your customers and caring for their feedback can really help to grow the business.
I’m all for influencers starting up companies and getting the second stream of income HOWEVER when it’s thrown together and outrageously over priced for no reason, it’s not okay. Basically abusing their following just to make a quick coin.
I'm 23 and I get so stressed out bout how used to overconsumption my generation is that I doubt myself. You make me feel better about myself not wanting to waste my money on overpriced stuff. Thank you
Overconsumption is so normalised today. I swear to god nobody needs this much clothes. I decided 2 years ago that I won't buy new clothes until my old ones are worn out. And I have kept that promise. No new clothes for me. Plus the money you save... it's amazing and liberating
You’re way ahead just for being so self aware. Not falling for the “keeping up with the Joneses” consumption mentality is both mental and financial freedom.
I had no idea that this is going on (I don't have Tiktok so I am not up to date with these things) but will I listen to Hannah talk about this thing for more than an hour? Yes, absolutely. Also I have to add - Your hair is gorgeous 😍 and you are so beautiful!
I've been watching Shark tank a lot lately, seeing these influencers hyping up an average overpriced basic and cringe products makes my eyes roll, and for that reason, I'm out.
Does anyone else find the concept of Christmas pajamas wasteful? Last year, my mom was adamant that my whole family have the same pair of pajamas from Old Navy. I wore them that day and never again. The ones we got were such poor quality that the pants pilled immediately after one wear. Even if they are the best quality in the world, wouldn't you rather spend your money on something else? I don't get it.
I get seasonal pj's, so winter ones that are long when it's cold and short ones for the summer, if anyone wants your winter pj's to be Christmas themed I don't have a problem, but I'd agree it's wasteful to have one set just for Christmas day... that's wild.
Yeah. My mom used to buy me Christmas pajamas every year and I had to beg her to stop. All of my pajamas are now Christmas themed and I wear them year round.
Yeah people who wear pjs only for one day are crazy to me! My family did the matching pjs for christmas morning thing for a few years when i was a kid but they were more winter pjs and we would wear them through the season.
I honestly just like the idea of matching pajamas. At the same time, I'd only buy articles of clothing I would frequently use not a once a year thing . Even Christmas pajamas best believe I'll wear any time😂
So, I do work in textiles, and had not heard of this particular drama until now. And oooooooh, I could write an entire essay on this. Because yeah, that is so not worth the price they're charging, and, if they're not making a profit, they very likely got scammed somewhere along the production side. Also, these sorts of problems with sizing and consistency are very, very common in a lot of questionably produced fast-fashion stuff. (Think of your average quality for something from Shein, for example). Their initial prices are way out of line for both the materials, and (sadly) the manufacturing cost for China, especially given how sheer and low-quality that rayon looks. The rayon content explains the shrinking and the wrinkles, though. When the shrinking was first mentioned, I was like 'oh, they didn't pre-shrink their cotton?' But no, they used rayon, and, that makes sense. And you actually shouldn't iron rayon (unless your iron has an acrylic or rayon setting - most don't!), because the heat can damage it, so I wonder if that might be the issue with all the wrinkles in the photo shoot? Getting wrinkles out of rayon can be a pain, depending on the garment. (Your best bet is actually a clothing steamer!) I mean, I get missing some details - I'm guilty of that myself sometimes, especially when you're rushing to meet a deadline! We're only humans, things can slip during the chaos of a launch! But someone should have caught that there was not a size guide on the website, for example? Sure, it might have been missed, but they could have added it without too much trouble? They were able to update the description of the romper in a hurry, so why not add a size guide if/when they realized it was missing? This seems like a much bigger issue then just 'missing some details.'
Polyester and polyester fleece is not allowed for children's sleepware in Australia because it melts when in contact with fire and would melt all over their skin. It's a huge fire hazard. Shrinking relates to the fabric used, not how the design got on there. If they are all the same fabric, they are all going to shrink. 3 times they made sure to say they were building from the ground up - 0 apologies given. In 2006 I started my own skincare business. I wrote everything on my website and the terms of service/return policies. I then got a lawyer to look it over and tell me if anything needed changing. The lawyer was a cost I would have preferred not to pay, but I had the business for 6 years and had zero legal issues with it. It's seriously not hard to do.
Polyester is also sweaty as heck, and the cheapest material you could possibly use (I know there are different qualities, but sill). Why not at the very least use cotton?
Yet another thing - I live in Europe, and such returning policy is illegal here. Anything you buy online can be returned and other policies are just impossible. Personally I would ban polyester PJ, not only for kids. The horror! The horror!
I don’t know who these people are but the fact that Hannah is narrating this and it’s an hour long video won me over! Love your content Hannah you have a new subscriber! The first video I watched was the overconsumption of TikTok influencers and I thoroughly enjoyed that too! Sending love 💕 from Australia 🇦🇺😊
UPDATE: As of 12/24/24 (yes, Christmas Eve) 4 The Mems announced that they will be closing their online store. While Cecily and Samantha initially teased that 4 The Mems would be launching future collections, it seems like they have decided to shut down business earlier than expected. The website is still live, but only for processing returns. 4 The Mems pjs will no longer be sold. Christmas cash grab: complete ✅
ANOTHER UPDATE: The website is only live to process returns, but remember that the policy listed on the site says that they only accept returns in exchange for store credit… but now the store is closed 😂 Soooo, basically they’re not accepting returns. Cool 👍🏼
But also did you notice, the website still says that the returns will be refunded in store credits! When there is no more store! Scam scam scam scam scam! ✅
In Boss Babe world, the "reason for the season" is to rip people off as much as you can, apparently.
I don't know if you'll see this, but after hearing your personal stance on free returns I just wanted to recommend you check out the video "You're Getting Screwed By Free Returns" by Climate Town.
@@Nostradankus Haven't watched that so I might be repeating them, but I do hope people know that in a lot of cases, you ARE paying for the return even if the company sends you a prepaid label, because they will deduct the cost of that label from your refund.
@@HannahAlonzo wowwwwwww
'the draw strings are adjustable' what 😂 that's literally the one and only feature of draw strings, id be fucking worried if they *werent*
Don't give the fashion industry any ideas, we've already got fake pockets, I don't want fake drawstrings 🙈
@Cammasia too late I have two pairs of sweatpants that have exactly that.
hahaha I laughed OUT loud reading that. Thank you, I needed that this morning lol
Unfortunately I have seen the horrors of FAKE drawstrings, even worse than fake pockets imo
@@Cammasiaoh it’s super common, especially in kids clothes. I buy something with draw strings thinking I’ll be able to tighten it for my kids and then they’re just fake stupid strings on the waistband.
"No man should be forced to wear ornaments all over!"
Fellas, is it gay to like Christmas?
Right!! Like men can't enjoy holidays and family 😭
Men should be allowed to enjoy things too especially holidays!!!
Nah, it’s obviously gay to be married to a woman. /s
Yes. Men should only enjoy working for their family & the birth of their children otherwise all gay
Grrrr men can't have fun, like things, or have interests! That's a woman thing...apparently lol. I guess men are supposed to just be macho and that's it, that's a personality. X'D
For a company that goes out of their way to “make pajamas their husbands would want to wear” the men’s pajamas seem like a major afterthought.
I know!!!! Just a t shirt and sweat pants????? That's so boring!!! Not everyone likes plain boring sweats and t shirt
I was definitely a little offended at their bending to toxic masculinity. “Aww! The wittle big man doesn’t wanna wear a cwistmas twee on his shirt!”
Like, Christmas is literally the perfect opportunity for a dude to chill the fuck out and wear bright colors and silly designs. I love wearing the silly stuff my wife buys for me too wear during the holidays. Hell, she even gets stuff for her eyes only. Got a pair of boxers that have a picture of a candy cane and say “I licked it so it’s mine.”
A t-shirt and pants? We can do better fellow men/dads.
💯 especially the "tartan" design for the men's just being plain green
frrr their mens pajamas are so ugly and boring. why wouldn't men just use sweatpants and tshirts they already own? the women's pajamas at least have some kind of pattern but the men's ones are literally just one plain colour
@@BMLMMy thought too, it seems like they cater to men who don’t want to wear matching anything and may tolerate it with these since they barely match at all. Pretty sad to me!
As a non-American the idea of needing matching pyjamas of all things (because you'll barely even see them, you'll be asleep for most of the time wearing them!), to wear for one night and buying new ones every year sounds absurdly wasteful, scam or not!
Yes, this. Why is this even a thing
It's pretty typical to wear one's PJs for the entire morning (usually until after breakfast) on Christmas day in North America...so they do make a little more sense. They're still stupid and I'm glad my family never did it, but just to be fair on the purpose.
The way a lot of Americans do matching Christmas jammies-buy matching sets, don’t ever wear them again after Christmas morning photos-admittedly seems silly and disposable, but at least for our family (we rarely buy new clothes, much less pajamas), it’s simply a chance for everyone in the family to get a new pair of needed PJs and create happy memories associated with them.
We wear ours Christmas Eve and most of Christmas Day, and for the adults (whose size doesn’t change) it becomes our new pair of winter pajamas for the rest of the year, joining all our well-worn pairs from previous Christmases. We don’t ONLY wear them for Christmas!
And for the kids (whose size does change from year to year), getting a new pair of Christmas Eve pajamas helps them let go of their too-small pair of PJs from the previous year.
That said, we just get basic tartan flannel pajamas 50% off at a regular store like Target and call it good. We don’t get fancy.
Also, like Hannah notes, buying new pajamas for the whole family at once doesn’t HAVE to be expensive, depending on where you shop-I just checked my receipts, and our family pajamas for this year were under $40 total from Target (including tax), because I bought them on a good holiday sale. That’s better than buying new pajamas any other time of the year!
For non-wealthy families, buying winter pajamas under the “Christmas gift” budget makes sense.
@@heatherfinch2367 The fact that it's cheap doesn't make it less wasteful. If at all, it makes it more so because it already takes the fact that it's disposable into account. The labour and resources that go into these are not sufficiently appreciated by wearing them once. Not at all.
the fact that none of the colors or patterns match is absolutely sending me!!! that’s literally the whole point of their brand?!!???!
Exactly! 😂
God I know! Like even the pants!! Why can’t the men’s ones also be pattered??? That would be matching
@@chelseabirkett3528because apparently it's weird for men to wear patterns 😂 sounds like some weird conservative BS
Yeah, and my husband would MUCH rather wear the patterns than those tshirts with the tacky sayings. At least give him the option of patterned pants. Then he could just wear a plain white t.
@@pietrofattorelloThat’s where my mind went too. Especially after the gendered comment they have on their website that Hannah read. My husband would much rather wear patterns over wearing a shirt that calls himself a “snack.”
At this point, I don’t even know all these people, I’m just here for Hannah’s commentary!
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 yesssss
Absolutely
You and I both 😂😂😂
If this were anyone else I’d scroll but since it’s Hannah I just know it’s gonna be worth my time
Hahaha same, I find her voice very soothing and she's so spot on with her commentary.
Do I have a family with children to buy matching PJs? No. Do I even know who these people are? No. Did I watch the entire video because Hannah is literally saying the same things I am thinking while watching this? Yes.
Same! 😂
Yup, same. Plus I watched Kiki Chanel’s hour long video on the exact same topic. I have no idea who these people are and I don’t care about matching PJs or Christmas PJs at all 😂
Same!😅
Big same. I will watch any video Hannah makes!
We opted for MATCHING skeleton family pj's this year for Halloween 😁 can't afford both so we're passing on Christmas PJs this year. Am I still here? For both this vid AND KiKis?? Yup and Yup 😅
So the men's sets are just sweatpants and a t-shirt? Revolutionary.
And they can't even bother to use the same print or fabric! They used different fabrics so they do not match, so what's the point. Especially worse on the green tarTAN.
I had to laugh that she ordered XL bottoms, received XXL and the package said they were XXXL 😂😂😂😂
That's an impressive level of incompetence
I can't. It's ridiculous 😭😭
it makes perfect sense! The package said XXXL, it contained XL and XXL, X+XX=XXX!
@@jamienotamylol 🤣🤣🤣
@@jamienotamy I spat out my drink at this one xD
This actually had me wondering "are they made in China?" before she said that they were. My husband found a hoodie on Amazon he really liked which was made in China and it has two sizes on it, the "Asia" size and the "US" size. The US size is a size smaller than the Asia size xD
"our PJs are relaxed, they're comfortable" as if other PJs are made out of chainmail??
I've really been so sick of my latex pajamas. Thank goodness there are finally some comfortable pajamas on the market!
@@emmatfink you’ve managed to find latex pjs in this economy? I’ve been stuck with my sandpaper ones for nearly a decade now! 😂
hahaha
Silk PJ are really just the worst materials to make for PJs. Sounds like a comfortable sleep but then they get a bit of static & they just cling to you like wet paper
Mine are barbed wire but they have a drawstring, which makes them ~adjustable~.
Hannah reviewing the available styles is giving, "Florals? For spring? Groundbreaking." 😂
You summoned Queen Miranda for this comment and I loved it. 🫡
@@cordeliacullen2621 ha ha! Right! 😅😅
IYKYK! 😂😂
I was thinking the same thing! LOL!!
"Does anyone have anything i can use?"
Hey Hannah! I actually used to work in the fashion industry, specifically for a business that helped designers without fashion backgrounds create product lines, and we did our own in-house printing. I am also a bit of a nerd for high-quality pajamas, so I have some insight for you on these products!
First of all, I hate to burst your bubble, but bamboo IS rayon. Rayon is a fabric made from wood pulp, when something is labelled 'Bamboo', it just means that bamboo is the wood type used to create the fibres. That said, many rayon from bamboo can be very high quality materials, but it is not in an of itself a higher quality material than something labelled 'rayon'. Just like you can have high quality cotton and super cheap cotton, both labelled 100% cotton. It depends on the manufacturing process. Rayon from bamboo is considered one of the more sustainable fabrics, though, as bamboo grows faster than other wood sources, but there are other high quality and sustainable rayon fabrics, like Modal (A brand name of rayon).
Secondly, most of these PJs are absolutely out of the box pre-made generic products they slapped their own prints onto. If you look at the tartan baby jumpsuit on the website, the stripes are not straight, and the back of the fabric is white, and the print goes across the zippers. These are printed using a process called sublimation, which is a cheaper printing process, but also only works on synthetic fabrics. I believe all the kids and men's products were printed using sublimation on out of the box, white labelled pajamas. The women's would have had to be 'built', as we called it, meaning going through the traditional process of designing the pattern and fabric, printing the fabric on the roll, and then cutting and sewing. The reason for some being prone to shrinking and not others is that fabric reacts to different all-over prints like this in different ways. For high-quality brands, we'd pre-wash fabrics to remove shrinkage. The fact that the shrinking problem, and all the fit problems tells me these products were not fit-tested, which is where you make the product in a few different sizes and send them to various people to wear for a few days and get feedback about how they wear, fit, etc, so that you can tweak the design and manufacturing process before sending them out. It's a step so many people are cutting out when designing new products to save money, but means things like pants legs being too long, or fabrics shrinking are not being caught before being sent out to customers.
The price of these pajamas would not in and of themselves would not be over-priced, if they were a higher quality fabric or made under more ethic conditions. For example, 100% cotton flannel pajamas from LL Bean or Lanz of Salzburg are a similar price, but are GREAT quality. Calling any clothing item 'over-priced' this day and age can be tricky because we are used to extremely cheap clothing made in unethical conditions. That said, these are made in China, which means they are VERY unlikely to be made under ethical conditions and are comparable to Old Navy or Walmart pajamas.
The brief time I worked in product design, these types of people who came in to design a clothing line with no fashion background were always a nightmare. They claim they didn't know how much goes into designing a product line. Do you know who does? The people you hire to help you design the product! And yet so many of these influencers would think they knew better than us, would want to cut a bunch of corners, and then get mad when stuff didn't turn out exactly how they wanted. New products take time to design, build, fit, tweak, and they never wanted to spend the time or money to design a product properly.
Wow this is so insightful, thanks for sharing!!
Thank you for taking the time to write all of this, I learned so much!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
I agree that if the materials had been high quality, and they had been manufactured in the US, those prices would not be so out of line.
this is is amazing info that needs to be pinned!
an apparel designer here- the color matching issue is due to a lack of a process called lab dipping. Someone is supposed to check each different fabric under different types of light to ensure all different "santa reds" match each other, regardless of fabric type. Someone on the back end should be going "red is too saturated, too dark, too blue. resubmit more options". Trims and prints should be checked, too. This whole launch reeks of a rush job! If I'm spending that money, I'm going Hanna Andersen.
My biggest beef with family pj sets is this: why do we keep giving dad a tshirt? They never really MATCH with the family. Give him a button up, too, damn.
Bc they are cheaper to make, duh.
It is quite annoying how men's clothes are mostly boring whereas women's clothes have more variety. It is especially apparent when looking for sewing patterns
+++++😂
For real!!! My grandparents have REAL matching Christmas pajamas. Both are button up. Red, white lining/embroidery and grandpa's breast pocket is embroidered with "Ho Ho Ho".
Button ups are gender neutral so why are they just throwing a tshirt and joggers on men for "pajamas"?
The solution is to simply wear women's clothing, at least as far as pajamas go; my mother and sister and I sometimes all match, bc we have similar tsstes in soft and cute pajayjays@@defalur
I am a 5'9" woman, I would never ever ever buy pants from a website with no size chart. ESPECIALLY with such a confusing return policy.
makes it worse when you're plus sized, tall, and like your pants to fit *below* the ankles. I have returned super comfy pants cuz they rise above my ankles when I bend over. or flared pants that just look like straight pants on me. without having an idea of what the sizing is like, these PJs would be a no-go for me
Also as a tall woman like wtf is “long, but not too long”
Ironically these ones would probably fit you LOL
(I'd never buy them either, I hate buying pants online, period.)
Any woman who confidently buys without a size chart has more money than sense. Especially on something as pricey as this.
@@genevalevy1690literally
Assuming all men are opposed to patterns is asinine. My husband would be annoyed if his was so plain compared to mine. AND the price point is INSANE! I could get a cuter set at target
I am from India, I don't even celebrate Christmas, and here I am watching some spicy tea on American pajama sets 😂😂😂😂 Gurl- DO NOT stop making these videos 🩷
😂🎉😅
Hello from the US! I love that you love these videos! I hope you have a good New Year!
Hear hear! Me too girl @nehagantayat3610
Girl I relate lmaoo, I watch american youtube drama all day😂🎉
omg saaame i don't even like those pajama things but I just love Hannah!
I work at Old Navy headquarters as the merchandising lead over kids pajamas. Something else that stands out to me is the kids sets don't appear to be fire resistant or snug fit. Kids PJs have to follow extremely strict fire safety guidelines, and to me these dont appear compliant. Maybe the average consumer isn't scrutinizing those details, but it's incredibly alarming and potentially dangerous if these kids sets, as they're described on their website, are indeed made of non treated synthetic fabrics. If, God forbid, they catch on fire, they will melt into a kids' skin. If Old Navy didn't adhere to those regulations or disclose fire safety compliance info, our kids sets would be recalled immediately.
This is such an interesting point, thank you for sharing. I love it when people take the time to share insights that enhance the dialogue and add to the experience of the video. Love it!!
I came here to see if anyone said this. I remember a huge recall because of sizes not matching fit on Christmas PJs somewhere.
As a Mom and Grandma I would never buy these for my kiddos, not safe at all.
Up this comment plz
As someone who knew a severely burned little girl whose nightgown had caught fire as she was kneeling near a fireplace, thank you for bringing this up. All parents need to make sure the nightwear they purchase for their children is safe, it’s not an over exaggeration to demand fire retardant nightwear for children.
RN here and I absolutely thought the same thing! I was wondering if these infant toddler and kid pj's were fire compliant
"For the mems" is giving big "stop trying to make fetch happen" vibes.
Really is 😂😂
Very funny 😂😂😂
I think it should be "for the memes" instead 😅
@@paulinakrzyzanska6559 That would have made so much more sense!
I have literally never heard of "for the mems" and I would not be caught dead wearing anything that is branded like that
Lolllllll when you showed what their new "lowered prices" were, I totally lost it! They're so hilariously out-of-touch.
'Prone to shrinking' is certainly not a good selling point for me.
Especially not for the price!! 😅
@@RheaJ002 But looking at the length maybe people should WANT them to shrink... if they could only shrink in one direction... LOL
I have better pjs for like a quarter of the price ,shriking,color fading with washes or peeling is
unaceptable for that price tough.
@@jenniferheyden4843 Hahahaha
@@jenniferheyden4843 I actually thought clothes made in a certain way DO only shrink in one direction, and I have plenty of shirts that became shorter but not tighter, that would support that thought. Unfortunately, I couldn't tell you what causes this exactly - I believe it has something to do with warp and weft?
Cecily might just be your content final boss haha - former MLM hun, hurricane vacationer, out of touch cash grab influencer. If she starts van life now I might be able to call Hannah Alonzo BINGO
If she had mortgaged her house to invest in the pajama business, this might just happen 😂
And she made an appearance on Hannah's video about lying influencers. Funnily enough, her lie was also tied to a pair of pajamas 😂
@@lunamoonursery All roads lead to Rome and all Hannah videos lead to Cecily Bauchmann
@@lunamoonursery it's pajamas all the way down
Isn't she ruin her daughter's birthday by letting her other kids blow the candle? People are pissed off about that too
Never thought I’d hear the phrase “I’m financing my Christmas pajamas” these people have lost their minds.
Why do Americans even need matching pyjamas for the whole family in the first place? Is Christmas not commercialized enough already?
I’m an Etsy shop owner with a 5-star rating. I can’t imagine treating my customers like this!
None of these influencers would last 5 minutes on Etsy without being torn apart, PERIODT!
I am so disappointed for the men’s pajamas. I thought the whole point of matching pajamas was everyone looked goofy together.
They look like a basic Tshirt & sweat pants !! Nothing like the woman's versions!!
The fact that the men didn't even get tartan (sp?) Print on the pants 😅
But men should never be _forced_ to wear pajamas with ornaments on them! lol
Something tells me their extremely conservative, emotionally constipated husbands threw a fit at having to use prints (le gasp!) and they assumed all men would have the same stick up their behinds about it.
Exactly.
I'm a European and English is not my mother tongue, but I still have a bigger vocabulary for describing different qualities of a pajama than these two American influencers.
Same 😅😊
😂
I feel this deep to my core xD I was laughing so hard about the drawstrings bit.
lol
Honey, as an ESL person myself and an ESL teacher, I can assure you that any advanced English learner speaks better English than most Americans. Just the way Americans have been butchering grammar lately makes me see red!
If your clothes shrink when you wash them (especially if they're cotton), that's because whoever made them didn't pre-wash it, and that's just cheap production.
Repeat after me: comments that aren't praising isn't inherently hate
Telling that it also seems to be the fabrics with prints that aren't prewashed, those prints will probably bleed once washed
Yep, must be prewashed and pre-glided
Right! Try telling that to celebrities lol
The fabric says its Rayon (93% Rayon, 7% Spandex ) so they arent even cotton pyjamas. My mind is blown
This seems like a notch from dropshipping. I highly doubt they spent much time "designing" these
man, one hour was just not enough of this!! I was completely unaware of the PJ drama and I'm here for it! I need more!
An AI chat bot query of “what should I know before starting a pj company” would have provided more research than whatever it is they did. 😭😭
I actually just done it lol
Starting a pajama brand business can be an exciting venture! Here are several key points to consider:
1. **Market Research**: Understand your target market. Are you aiming for luxury, casual, or children's pajamas? Analyze competitors and identify gaps in the market.
2. **Unique Selling Proposition (USP)**: Determine what will set your brand apart. This could be sustainable materials, unique designs, or specific features like temperature regulation.
3. **Design and Development**: Create designs that resonate with your target audience. Consider comfort, functionality, and style. Collaborate with designers if needed.
4. **Fabric Selection**: Choose high-quality fabrics that are comfortable and durable. Cotton, bamboo, and modal are popular choices for pajamas.
5. **Sourcing and Manufacturing**: Decide whether to manufacture locally or overseas. Research potential manufacturers and establish quality control measures.
6. **Branding**: Develop a strong brand identity, including a memorable name, logo, and packaging. Your brand's story can help connect with customers.
7. **Pricing Strategy**: Set competitive pricing that reflects your brand's positioning while covering costs and ensuring profitability.
8. **Online Presence**: Establish a website and consider e-commerce platforms. Invest in social media marketing to reach a wider audience.
9. **Legal Considerations**: Register your business, obtain necessary permits, and understand regulations regarding textiles and consumer goods.
10. **Sales Channels**: Decide where to sell your products-online, in physical stores, or at pop-up events. Each channel has its own set of strategies for success.
11. **Customer Service**: Plan for effective customer service to handle inquiries, returns, and feedback. Positive customer experiences can lead to repeat business.
12. **Sustainability**: Consider incorporating eco-friendly practices, as many consumers today prefer brands that prioritize sustainability.
By addressing these areas, you'll be better prepared to launch your pajama brand successfully. Good luck!
At this point they could have just asked Siri 😅😅
@ they are doing there best and any business owner have a learning curve! Give people a break !
They just started!!! People learn change business model pricing quality! Those UA-cam influencers are not perfect either ! They feed on other people’s content/ work and attempts to do better !
"They say 'lay flat to dry' but that's not really who I am as a person"... no truer words were spoken 😅
I died 😂😂😂
I felt seen
😂😂😂
@@ka8544same
I have found my people! 😍
Cecily making it so hard to return pajamas is a little funny to me because she was in one of your influencer videos wearing pajamas that still had the tag on them acting like she just woke up! She doesn’t want people to do what she does, buy pajamas just to film in and then send them back!
Ooh! Good catch! For influencers, accusation is often a form of confession.
Oh, I remember this one!!!! you are right! Lol
I remember her now. 😂
Omg 😱 what a good catch I know exactly what you’re talking about and had no idea it was the same acct
I'm from Holland and I've never heard of these two ladies untill this. Can someone post a link or title of that video. That is so funny 😂 awful and shame less but funny
My wife watches you all the time and loves your content. She asked that I comment asking what you do with your hair. She thinks it's very shiny. Thank you!
I think this too!! It's beautiful and so healthy looking!
uh why can't she comment herself?
@idontreadrepliesdawgMaybe she can’t speak English? Or is disabled and can’t type/text talk herself? Maybe she’s anxious and afraid to comment on anything online? There are lots of possible reasons why, I don’t know the answer myself because it’s not my business. 🤷🏻♀️
@idontreadrepliesdawg perhaps she doesn't have a YT account?
She said before, she uses box dye to dye her own hair, Pantene and Moroccan oil ☺️ hope it helps
"Hard to find matching pj's for the whole family.." Umm, IN WHAT WORLD? I laughed when you touched on that point because you are exactly right, there is nothing unique or ground breaking about these at ALL! Matching tartan pj's have only been a thing for...decades?
Too add to this, I'm from a country where Christmas is taught about in English classes as a winter holiday or seen in American movies. And there are matching PJs in Christmas patterns every December lol
I rmember having some as the child of a poor immigrant family 20 years ago 😂 the concept is not new, and it's definitely cheaper than these
I remember seeing sets of them in the JC Penney and Sears (RIP) catalogues in the early 90s, and I'm certain they existed before then!
I said the same thing. I have a 4YO boy and a 2YO girl and we've been getting matching pj's since my daughter was born. They sell them at Aldi for $12.99. Walmart and target sell them for under $25 and they make them for men women children toddlers and infants.
My in laws have been buying the whole family matching PJs for like... almost 20 years lol
Hannah stating she is only 5’1” is genuinely surprising. I straight up thought she was like 5’7”
Totally. I can't get that out of my head...like it even matters. Lmfao
I was thinking the same 😅 I'm 5'6" and I'm now struggling to to imagine her in person haha
Same lol
She’s giving Tall Girl Energy (tm) 😂
@@RelestradaI came to the comments to say the same thing! 😂
Considering Cecily is a Christian, and is advising people to put these overpriced pj's on a payment plan is insane. The Bible says for us to not be in debt to anyone, and she's telling her followers "be in debt to me for pj's your kids can only wear once!"
Also the price is just screaming greed, because it does not cost them that much to produce these.
That was a detail I was sad to hear... how can some christians be so out of touch with what the Bible teaches? It is time American christians unnormalize getting into debts over anything other than education (because the US system is broken). We do not have to go with the culture around us!
@@titinusaubertmaybe you both know more but didn’t her husband stop being a pastor at their church because she wouldn’t stop being a content creator? 😂 I thought I heard that rumor. But great points - so sad to monetize a holiday that shouldn’t be monetized in the first place!
Reminds me of Matthew 7:21-23 & Matthew 19:23-26
@@titinusaubert haha agreed! I'm posting a video on Friday about this, and how so many people go into debt during Christmas! It's sad.
@@Xyz22224 As far as I knew he was still a pastor, but I also don't keep up with them that much!
I agree. I have recently seen someone that is a professional (not an influencer) come out with merchandise and it feels almost like a betrayal to me (even though that's a strong word), but it really feels like "oh that's why you are building a following, so that you can profit off of them and sell them products." It really puts the influencer in a bad light in my eyes. I have actually stopped following influencers when they turn too commercial, I don't need another product being thrown at my face, thank you!
Their “apology” video was dripping with condescending remarks. The blonde chick is PISSED! We all know they’re making bank with these non-matching, polyester, rayon, copycat pj’s even with their”price reduction”. They seriously paid $5-$9 per set! Kiki Chanel posted in her video where someone saw how much they paid per set. It’s embarrassing how much they’re robbing people over this junk.
Yes!! All I could think during their “apology” video was how they had blocked a ton of people voicing their concerns, yet say that they were so happy to learn about everyone’s feedback… please.
Then lowering the prices to make them more affordable, while most of them were only dropped by like $15 bucks is so delusional lol these chicks seem like a nightmare
Anything to deflect from the fact they’re just overcharging for AliExpress pyjamas.
I don't know who these ladies are but felt the same. I almost feel empathy and truth from the brunette. The blonde, however, oh she was NOT happy making these changes or this video. Someone forced her to agree with the changes and the "apology". Lol You can mute the video and see it all over her face 🤣
@@Harleyquinn156 Yes!! Oh wow. She should have worked this through first before coming online and "apologizing". You truly can see it all over her face. This video does NOT help the issue.
Every time an influencer says "take time out of their day to post negative comments," I throw up in my mouth a little.
It screams passive aggressive.
Yup. This was “Don’t you DARE blame us for our own ignorance and carelessness, you plebes!”
Then we shouldn't be 'taking time out of our day' to watch your content and give you views aka money.
As if just watching their videos is not 'taking time out of their day'
Cheap materials, no practical refund policy, negative reviews, inflated prices, HORRIBLY presented products (photography, no size charts, saying they have pearl buttons when they aren't, etc), inconsistent "matching" family PJs, delivering incorrect sizes.
These are all just facts- no opinion needed.
Lol TRUTH!💯
And super defensive/insulting responses to reactions. Totally unprofessional. You’re exactly right!
18:29 my jaw literally dropped. They actually think their stuff is more than luxury-tier? The men’s and boy’s clothing looks horrible. It’s not even matching other than the logos. It’s casual sweatpants and a shirt for nearly 50 bucks. And the baby clothing price is insane. Not accepting returns, clothing shrinks, horrible advertising, and absurd prices. They shouldn’t even be allowed to open a store. Ever.
24 hours later they have an apology video where the message is "sorry we're inexperienced" - at that price point? The audacity
Yeah, and it seems to me that there are, in this world, graduated experts in business, marketing and fashion who can help them... they also can take classes on these subjects, but hey, they wanted to make money as soon as possible.
That might be my favorite part of this whole shitshow-“we really have no idea what we’re doing! Like, building a brand from the ground up is like really hard! We’re just totally incompetent!” 🤣🙄
Also, notice the one on the left and how much she didn't want to apologize. The expression, the tone, and what she says all screams "ugh...I really didn't want to actually deal with my followers. I just wanted their money."
Everyone wants to own their own business but no one is even willing to read business for dummies. It's honestly lazy.
Also the whoe is me about not masking a profit when lowering the price, and the fake smiles are not helping. They also seem to pretent the prices are the only problem.
On the contrary we should normalise hating on scamming influencers who are trying to milk their followers for money. This is not normal. These people don't even know how to run a business. Not every owner deserves a successful business just by the virtue of being. If you're running a bad business, drop ship, try to guilt and gaslight customers you deserve to fail
I agree, I agree, and I agree. Hannah is way too fucking nice to people who try to scam and exploit others.
100%
*Agreed!* There is no need to be nice to people who are buying mass-produced bland crap, _slightly_ altering it, and then reselling it at a *huge* markup to con their followers into lining their pockets. Especially when they run their 'business' horribly.
Yea so many people should not own their own businesses and a lot of that is because they refuse to put in the work to know what they're doing.
💯
(in the tone of anti-piracy ad)
You wouldn't FINANCE a MATTRESS
You wouldn't FINANCE your GROCERIES
$300 Pajamas are STEALING
this honestly gave me such a chuckle especially as that anti-piracy voice is forever imprinted into my head
Wait... lol I put my groceries on my maxes out credit card... I am financing my groceries.
@hannahrobertson6032 Same!! 😹
I would finance a mattress
I just financed a mattress six days ago
As an MBA holder, I am convinced that Hannah would be a STRONG force to be reckoned with in the business world. You have your head on straight girly, and your no-nonsense attitude and genuine nature will get you far ♥️
I’m halfway through the video so not sure if you mentioned it… but can we also recognize how pointlessly gendered these pajamas are?! Men can wear matching pj shirts and bottoms… it’s not emasculating in any way!!
literally! there's nothing about the designs that people percieve as gendered either! if the mens and womens ones were the same, no one would even bat an eye. wearing a pattern isn't emasculating. come on man
Any man who would consent to purchasing or wearing matching PJs should immediately turn in his man card 😂😂
@@grayantihero6059how flimsy your man card must be. It’s pyjamas, get a grip.
She does touch on it around the 29:50 mark when discussing the descriptions of the ornament set! It’s honestly crazy, how are any of these prints only appropriate for a certain gender like what 😂
@@grayantihero6059 Your weird and so wrong. You prob don't even have a "man card".
Omg I am a fairly online millennial and even I was so confused by 4 the mems. I thought it was “for the memes”. 😅
Me too!😂
Same here, and I’m an older millennial (born in 83 so I’ve been around since Hamster Dance and All Your Base) and I’ve only ever heard “for the memes”.
Technically gen z here, I also thought it was "for the memes" but thought that can't be right, but the second Hannah talked about how they're meant for matching on Christmas is when it clicked, but I still have never heard that phrase before
Correct me if I'm wrong, but pijamas based on memes for the whole family would still sell better than this.
I did get it but it was just a lucky guess on my part, lol. I’ve never heard anybody use that phrase
Not only are the prints cringy, whats the likelihood that many men will wear something that says "Santa came to sleigh" and "out here looking like a snack"?
So cringey 🫣
Right!? Like they're too "masculine" to wear a dang print, but they're gonna run around with a shirt saying that?? 😂
My husband would rather walk around in my panties than wear any of that
I am here thinking whats so femenine about a whole dark red pijama set?much better than a cringey see trought graphic tee 😅,my grandpa likes those kinds of pjs ,also the blue and green ones will be so much better if at least the pants match the same print as the women and kids.
Whew, at least they aren't wearing ornament prints! That would be a travesty! 😂
Pajamas look like something you would buy off SHEIN or Temu.😂😂😂 Old Navy just had pajama bottoms for $5.😂
The shock I had when I opened UA-cam, saw this, then scrolled down and saw it was posted a minute ago. I've just recently found your channel and its genuinely so refreshing to be here. You're very kind and understanding, but not so "kind" that you excuse poor behavior in favor of not offending people. And you're very fact based in what you tell us, or are at least very clear when you're giving your own opinion. I personally find that hard to find, so thank you so very much. I'm glad UA-cam has people like you here.
I gasped excitedly 😆
Isn’t she the best?!
@@medalliogreen243 I did too! This channel brings me such peace of mind, even while she's talking about concerning topics(looking at you mlm's) it's just handled so maturely. Her channels such a gem♡
@@Brittanywithaney Absolutely, such a breath of fresh air!
This is exactly how I feel!
I’m a GenXer, and regarding the catchphrases…. I have no idea what any of that nonsense means. 😂 So then I showed this to my college-senior daughter, and her EXACT reaction was, and I quote, “Oh. Cringe.” 😂😂😂
LOOOOOL
Literally. I’m a millenial who graduated high school more than 10 years ago. I would think of that as cool back then, but now it’s cringe 😬😬
@limitlessbianca same same I'm 32... I'm not a cool person at all but even I know those are out now
Looool
I agree. “Oh. Cringe.” is the perfect way to sum it all up 😂
Old Navy never fails me. On a holiday sale, $60 for a family of 3. $58 for an infant is diabolical.
$58 dollars for a baby that will outgrow it in 4 HOURS.
@ correct! It’s insanity
Except everything is sold out! My biggest struggle buying family pajamas. I just give up.
@ I buy them 2 weeks before Thanksgiving every year. After Black Friday it’s tough with sizing.
@@tangentartists6876 $58 for PJs that a baby will probably throw up on in 4 minutes... that you have to lay flat to dry because they couldn't bother to use decent fabric 🙄
I just have to say, I’ve been such a gullible social media consumer. I have been binging all your videos in the last couple weeks. You have opened my eyes to so many things and I look at everything online so differently now. Thank you!!!
You'd enjoy Shawna Ripari too.
I'm shocked that the issue of wastefulness is not being discussed at all here?? As you say-- this is a "single use product"--high price point or not, it simply should not exist in the first place. Textile workers are being exploited to make those garments at those Target and Walmart prices (and even probably many of the "luxury" brand prices as well). For people to wear once and then, what? Throw away? "Donate" to a charity shop that will throw it away for you due to non-resellable poor quality? Not only are their followers wasting valuable money on poor quality products, but this is an appalling waste of resources, an inexcusable exploitation of underprivileged workers and a shameful promotion of overconsumption for items that will inevitably end up in landfill. This is the real point of infuriation for me.
Consumerism in the US is out of hand in general. The newest insanity is “birthday MONTH” and people are actually celebrating that.
I don't think Christmas pjs are a single use product. All my pjs are from Christmases past and I wear them year round.
I definitely don't buy ones that are almost see-through like this brand though.
This. I can get buying matching PJs for quickly growing children, because they need new clothes all the time. But for adults? I cannot imagine buying new PJs every single winter. All these people need to travel to the developing world and get some perspective.
I don’t know I have a pair of Christmas PJs that were a part of my family’s matching set from when I was like 14 that I still have and wear at almost 30 😂
@@nomadic_orthodoxYup. Look at the "I gotta have the newest color or pattern of Stanley Cup" craze. People with dozens & dozens of Stanley Cups. They are a REUSABLE cup. They were literally designed to cut down on the wastefulness of disposable products. There is no need to have any more then say 3-4. One for work, one for home & maybe one for travel or what not. But definitely don't need 20-30 of them, never mind those that have like 50+ of them. Yet here we are with people buying all kinds of them 🤷♀️
28:48 yes, they indeed put the same “out here looking like a snack” saying on the little boys top! Samantha posted a pre release video showing this.
Wow, they had no care about the design as I suspected.
I've been working in fashion in Paris in development for the last 10 years. Color-matching prints is one of the hardest, most tedious and longest tasks there is while developing a collection. Most of the times prints are taken off from production because of how difficult it is to get those colors to match perfectly. When there are several fabrics being used for a single print, it is even more of a daunting task. You would be surprised how hard it even is to match blacks (warm vs cool undertones, etc), so imagine how hard it is to match bright colors!
I work in a luxury brand, so the name behind us allow us to have rush orders, but even then, it takes weeks, even months! As you said, this was probably rushed and definitely a quick cash grab. Launching a brand is definitely not an easy task, so props to them for diving right in. Next time, however, a little more research and a need to want a good product vs easy money should be more of a priority.
Quick questions as someone who doesn't know anything about fashion: Why is it so hard? I thought people just made one big piece of fabric with the desired pattern and then used it for the whole collection. In this case, men and women's size
@@thebookwitch895 Definitely! once you get a print on a fabric with the approved colors it should be fine. In this case, they had one printed fabric and solid fabrics that didn't match. In general maybe you want the same print for a t-shirt in jersey, but then you also want it for a canvas tote bag and for a matching swimsuit. Because they are all made up of different fibers, they take in color differently. Normally you would send all your manufacturers a pantone color for them to match and hope for the best!
Sorry for the short explanation, I'm not really sure I answered the question or not, hehe.
@@josedojaquez9003 you did!!! I did not consider the possibility of different materials. Thank you for the answer 😊😊
@@thebookwitch895one of the most frustrating things about print design is that the people who “design” the print aren’t always as knowledgeable as the people who Design the print.
When I worked in Italy my boss would give us colour references printed onto paper instead of the actual cmyk values, so when we changed it to the PMS values for the printers, he’d get pissy. Four times a year that happened, for five arduous years.
And don’t get me started on digital prints. Lower case d-designers will create something on photoshop and blow a gasket when the capital D-designers have to alter it to become a digital print.
I was waiting for this comment from an industry insider. I work in a different product field (paper products) but we need at around a full year to launch a new product. It is so much work and very detail oriented to get even a silly/ relatively simple paper products to market. Clothing!? I can just imagine what that entails. People (influencers) who are not designers think you can just dance on in and pop out a product without a lot of planning and good people to help you have no idea how much work it is and how much time you need. Obviously these results show what happens when you aren’t in the least detail oriented, especially if you are a newcomer to the field. Prices: insanity.
You know what's funny? Here in Brazil, such a problem wouldn't even exist. We have something called PROCON, an agency with rules dedicated to customer protection. With a return policy like that they would get a hefty fine. Thanks to PROCON, *every* online store in Brazil MUST receive the returned goods, for whatever reason (you don't need to justify it), within 7 days after you purchased them. It's a right.
The same in Europe.
also side note... "bamboo" fabric is rayon. So is Tencel (made from eucalyptus), Viscose (often pine, bamboo, or eucalyptus), and so is Modal (beech wood). RAYON literally is just the word we use to describe all and any man-made cellulose fibres. They all go through really environmentally un-friendly chemical processing, where viscose is typically more dangerous and destructive due to the chemicals used. but none of them are environmentally friendly and none of them are remotely "natural" materials.
So here I was laughing that we are hearing people say "its bamboo, its better than rayon" or "its rayon, its cheaper than bamboo" when its like, babes, bamboo IS rayon.
Hey thanks for spreading that info! I had no idea
Not exactly. Rayon and viscose is made from regenerated cellulose derived from wood pulp or bamboo, and the production process involves a lot of chemicals that are harmful to the environment if not managed properly. The process dissolves the cellulose and it is regenerated to form the fibers . When the material is made of bamboo it is called bamboo rayon.
Real bamboo fibre is made from the pulp of bamboo plants, and mechanically processed to make the fibers. It is more eco-friendly, making it naturally hypoallergenic and moisture wicking. Because bamboo is fast growing and there is minimal chemical processing, it is a more eco friendly and sustainable material.
To add on, there are differences in the chemical processes for different cellulose fabrics, too. Modal is much more eco- and worker-friendly than rayon, especially old-school cold process rayon, which was Radium Girls-level deadly.
Just speaking personally, I'll still take (modern!) rayon over thermoplastic fibers, i.e. polyester, nylon, spandex, etc. Between the horrorshow of oil extraction and microplastics from washing, it's the better option in my opinion.
@Sudenveri oh yeah 100% like, there are some that are far less dangerous overall, but it's still not as eco-friendly as fully natural fibers like cotton, wool, and silk.
So I happened to see a suggested yt for Grumpy Old Crone, a witch in England that hates polyester. She says to buy wool and boil it. She goes off on polyester. I mean OFF!
If a 25% price cut means no profit a company is not telling the truth. This is WILD!
It makes sense to me considering the really low total stock at launch. The pyjamas are cheap to make, but I assume there were costs involved with design/website set up etc.
They didn't say the pyjamas were sold at the cost of manufacture just no overall profit.
I mean depends on the quality of the product but in this case you're right
To be fair that is their fault for not planning well. If they added the costs and guessed the price range they have to sell, did some benchmarking, they would come to the conclusion that clothing is a risky business to start with. Or just stopped the process to think about all the manufacturing problems they had and pivoted to a less ambitious concept or canceled to save themselves from losing more money. This is very common.
I mean, I'm also not pitying them as they have been living cushioned lives from being influencers, evident from how they had no shame with how things turned out.
@@mon4711 it would've probably been better for them to collaborate with an already established clothes company in making a special collection. That way they could've tipped their toes in the industry without exposing themselves to so much potential loss.
A good christian lie
The thing that bothers me the most about this whole thing is that people always say "buy from small businesses to avoid fast fashion!" and this is a new business claiming to be super quality yet it's very clear their clothing quality is hardly any higher than Shein. I've gotten plenty of 100% cotton items off Shein so they really have no excuse lol
Yes, plenty of small businesses are also doing fast fashion, and they're often doing it with worse quality control and return policies than big businesses. It is true that smaller businesses are generally where to look to for quality clothing but word of mouth and research is so important because for every good business, there's probably 3 or 4 terrible ones.
This series has been a lot of fun to watch, I’ll continue to watch them as long as you continue to make them
Blocking a long-time subscriber for giving respectful feedback is very telling!!
Yep Anna did same to many of us too glitter& laz.....
@@murlepeterson6028why
Me a German who sits here at 32:00 and wonders: HOW ARE THESE RETURN POLICY LEGAL?! You would end up in court in Germany if you would try something like this as a german company. We have very strict consumer laws...You can get store credit however the shop must offer you: Store credit or send back the money from the orgianly payment methode. So if you buy with debit/ credit they must offer you to send the money back. The only time its okay to give store credit is when you paid with store credit / vouncher in the first place.
Das würde so durch die Decke gehen in der deutschen UA-cam Szene. Innerhalb von einem Tag würden wegen den Rückgabe Bedingungen (die nicht vorhanden sind) mehrere Videos gedreht werden. Aber ja, es ist echt unglaublich 😅
Außerdem 14 Tage bedingungsloses Rückgaberecht bei Onlineshopping. Musste so viel Recht im Bereich E-Commerce lernen und so viel an dem Laden würde hier in DE Probleme machen. Impressum und AGBs auf der Seite gibt es auch nicht. C
I am very glad the UK follows EU consumer goods regulations because same. I can’t imagine having to settle for store credit for a store that barely exists and also to charge a restocking fee on top of that. Actual madness.
Same here ! In Holland we have kind of the same laws and regulations as in Germany 😊 Also the possibility of AfterPay.
Cowboy capitalism!
Financing pyjamas was not on my 2024 Bingo card… wow.
As a Moroccan who doesn’t celebrate Christmas…i was here for the tea and I was served! Thank you Hannah ❤😂
The company conveniently skips including size charts on their website-probably because they know you’re not getting the right size anyway 😅
hahahah y even bother?
😬
Then they claim they have no experience. Puh-lease. Now we all know they are con artists.
I won't buy any item of clothing that doesn't include a size chart on the website. And non clothing items had better have various measurements included in the description also. We, as consumers, are owed as much information as possible!
The point of matching clothes is that it’s the same style, same fabric, same print, same colour. The only thing that should be different is the size!!!
I clicked on this not being very interested in the topic of the video but I watch all of the Influencer Insanity videos and I wasn't skipping one. 1 hour later I found myself 100% invested in all of the drama and actually sad that the video wasn't 2 hours long. Well done, Hannah. This was incredibly entertaining and also highly interesting.
Same thoughts exactly
your hair in this video is stunning, i had to rewind cause i kept getting distracted by the waves and shine lol
As a Scot I laughed out loud at 'tar-tan'! It isn't even tartan which makes it even funnier.
Same (central east coast 😂). They’re absolutely appalling.
LOL Thank you for pointing that out! Apparently any plaid material is 'tar-tan' now. HEE HEE
Shetland here. Felt the same and was expecting a Tarte Tatin to show up randomly on the pj's from how they were saying it.
I shouldn't have talked about it, I'm now craving one but it's 1:40am.
@@earthkat😂😂😂😂
I'm Scottish and thought she meant tarte tatin 😂
Items marketed as “bamboo” are actually rayon that has bamboo as a portion of the source materials. Once processed, rayon is all the same regardless of source materials. Don’t pay extra for “antibacterial bamboo” because the chemical process makes it moot. Marketing ploy. The WEAVE of the rayon fabric makes a difference in the feel.
I'm ready to bet they're 99% polyester... Material is the absolute first thing I look at when purchasing an item, doesn't matter if the fabric "is super soft" or "feels good". Only natural fibers can touch this skin girl
Does that generally mean that your clothes are more expensive just curious
@@MandySimLandy Generally yes, natural fibers have a higher processing cost which makes things like polyester more cost effective. Natural fibers are generally preferred because of sustainability as well as breathability. Polyester also tends to hold onto smells so for things like workout clothes natural fibers are definitely the preference
boy oh boy does it make me break out
agreed. I got rid of all my 100% synthetic clothing, and my eczema improved overnight.
@@MandySimLandy not really... Most expensive brands utilize shitty materials anyways lol. I shop from "fast fashion" like H&M or thrift cause that's all I can afford, and it's 💯 possible to find cotton at a low price there. I'm obviously limited in my style and choice because of this tho ( for example most online stores with cuter and more particular pieces only have polyester stuff ). Hope this answers your question
This was one of my fave vids of yours. I have watched a ton of you MLM's but doing a review of i fluencee insanity is a nice break. You were so chill in this vid.
The way they're acting like we've never seen an elasticated waistband before has me HOWLING 😂😂
LOLLLL so much emphasis
I love hearing this lady break down the insane level of random insanity rampant in the internet now.
I have to peel like 1Kg of potatoes… thank god you posted
I believe in you, show those taters who's boss
Team Folding Laundry here!
Me😂
@@MistressOfWhispers me too
all the Thanksgiving prep now not so bad ❤
If you buy stuff from small creators, it is going to be more expensive than buying from big creators, but typically, their quality is great, even better than what the bigger creators are doing. Because the audience is small, they care more about what their opinions are.
My experiences are with two UA-camrs. Both have about a million followers. One sells merch clothing related to his channel and music and the other sells plushies related to channel inside jokes/memes.
(And yes, I know, it's relative whether a million followers is a lot or not.)
why the men pjs look like they just gave up?????😂😂
LOLLLL
20 minutes in, and the most shocking so far is that in the US there appears to be a tradition of buying matching christmas pyjamas for the whole family EVERY YEAR. How can you be so normal about "non-reusable clothing"? The point of clothing is to be used! The curse of fast fashion, I suppose.
American here.
While I've seen family PJs in ads, I've never known a single person to have matching jammies for the whole family under any circumstance.
This may be normal if you're wealthy, but not for working class.
I’m Russian, once my husband and I felt like red tartan pajamas, 5 years later still wearing them. Why not? New year, in your case Christmas, has the same patterns every year!
i’m 20 and for christmas this year my mom isn’t ready getting us new pjs. I still have the same pjs from when i was 15! if the pants were too tight i’ll just make them into short and not everyone grows the same, but at the same time, why is it necessary to buy new ones EVERY YEAR???? you could always reuse them.
This is really not a thing. I don't know anyone who does this, much less every year. I think it's yet another example of a "tradition" that was created by retailers. When I was a kid we DID get pajamas every year for Christmas, but they didn't match anyone else's, and they weren't Christmas themed. They were just normal pajamas that we'd then wear until we grew out of them.
maybe cause the kid grows so they all change
"We've never done this before" is not an excuse. When you make a clothing line, you need to compete with all the other brands that have a team of people who went to school for fashion design and have years of experience. You've done a really good job summarizing the issues with this shitshow.
Adding to this, if someone had randomly FORCED them to make pajamas at gunpoint and they ended up sucking, then sure, "We've never done this before!" would be a valid excuse. But they were the ones who DECIDED to make pyjamas without knowing what the F they were doing... how is that not on them?
Okay I've been wanting Hannah bamboo coverage for a while and you mentioning LS and covering this situation is giving me such hope!! Please consider doing a video about the Bamboo Bliss drama because I would love to hear your thoughts on it as you always put things in such an eloquent and informed way! I also feel like the scamboo world is like the new version of MLM and I haven't seen any UA-cam creators talking about it really yet.
Hannah, thank you for your content. I also wanted to mention that you have incredibly beautiful speech. English is my third language, and in your videos, you always use relevant vocabulary. There's no repetition, no redundant information, and no fillers. Listening to you is a pleasure. And you are very beautiful, a full-fledged natural beauty.
I totally agree! I get easily annoyed by people's voice or how they speak and i could listen to Hannah talk all day! Lol
I get overwhelmed so easily and Hannahs videos are always a source of clarity and peace. Thanks to this comment pointing it out, I now realise it's due to her very fine speech! ❤
Agreed! I listen to Hannah just because I love the way she speaks. Perfect diction! She could recite the ABC's and I'd listen...lol
Oh, and I love her content as well...lol
I love that their excuse for all of this is “we have no experience, thanks for allowing us to learn lessons at your expense ❤”
I'm in grad school for Marketing and this video covered so many of the concepts I've learned about in my degree- setting your product apart from the competition, utilizing appropriate influencer marketing, listening to criticism, taking accountability, improving the product, etc. All things this brand didn't do, leading to a spectacular downfall. Super amazing, comprehensive video!!!
Yeah, taking notes as an aspiring small business owner.
@@mon4711me too! So informative
I really enjoyed watching this video. As a small business owner this reminded me that doing research and listening to your customers and caring for their feedback can really help to grow the business.
Hannah’s so nice…. I would have ROASTED Santa pajama girl about listing “adjustable drawstring” and “adjustable waistband” as 2 different features 😂
I’m all for influencers starting up companies and getting the second stream of income HOWEVER when it’s thrown together and outrageously over priced for no reason, it’s not okay.
Basically abusing their following just to make a quick coin.
there definitely is an issue with people knowing their fans will want and buy anything they advertise and taking advantage of that
Me being Scottish that pronunciation for tartan hurt my soul to it's core, nearly starting singing Scotland the Brave
🎶"SCOTS WHA HAE WI WALLACE BLED...." 🎶
Ally balley, ally balley bee, is that tar-tan?
“Eggshell versus printer paper”.
That had me chuckling! 😂
I'm 23 and I get so stressed out bout how used to overconsumption my generation is that I doubt myself. You make me feel better about myself not wanting to waste my money on overpriced stuff. Thank you
Overconsumption is so normalised today. I swear to god nobody needs this much clothes. I decided 2 years ago that I won't buy new clothes until my old ones are worn out. And I have kept that promise. No new clothes for me. Plus the money you save... it's amazing and liberating
You’re way ahead just for being so self aware. Not falling for the “keeping up with the Joneses” consumption mentality is both mental and financial freedom.
I had no idea that this is going on (I don't have Tiktok so I am not up to date with these things) but will I listen to Hannah talk about this thing for more than an hour? Yes, absolutely. Also I have to add - Your hair is gorgeous 😍 and you are so beautiful!
This resonates 😂 don’t do reels or TikTok- I just enjoy the 🍵
@@tay.inparadiseyep! All my TikTok knowledge is completely involuntary 😂
I've been watching Shark tank a lot lately, seeing these influencers hyping up an average overpriced basic and cringe products makes my eyes roll, and for that reason, I'm out.
😂😂😂
I love your perspective: Respectful and honest! It is a pleasure to listen.
Does anyone else find the concept of Christmas pajamas wasteful? Last year, my mom was adamant that my whole family have the same pair of pajamas from Old Navy. I wore them that day and never again. The ones we got were such poor quality that the pants pilled immediately after one wear. Even if they are the best quality in the world, wouldn't you rather spend your money on something else? I don't get it.
I get seasonal pj's, so winter ones that are long when it's cold and short ones for the summer, if anyone wants your winter pj's to be Christmas themed I don't have a problem, but I'd agree it's wasteful to have one set just for Christmas day... that's wild.
Christmas is the only time I buy new pajamas so it evens out. I just wear them all year.
Yeah. My mom used to buy me Christmas pajamas every year and I had to beg her to stop. All of my pajamas are now Christmas themed and I wear them year round.
Yeah people who wear pjs only for one day are crazy to me! My family did the matching pjs for christmas morning thing for a few years when i was a kid but they were more winter pjs and we would wear them through the season.
I honestly just like the idea of matching pajamas. At the same time, I'd only buy articles of clothing I would frequently use not a once a year thing . Even Christmas pajamas best believe I'll wear any time😂
So, I do work in textiles, and had not heard of this particular drama until now.
And oooooooh, I could write an entire essay on this. Because yeah, that is so not worth the price they're charging, and, if they're not making a profit, they very likely got scammed somewhere along the production side. Also, these sorts of problems with sizing and consistency are very, very common in a lot of questionably produced fast-fashion stuff. (Think of your average quality for something from Shein, for example).
Their initial prices are way out of line for both the materials, and (sadly) the manufacturing cost for China, especially given how sheer and low-quality that rayon looks.
The rayon content explains the shrinking and the wrinkles, though. When the shrinking was first mentioned, I was like 'oh, they didn't pre-shrink their cotton?' But no, they used rayon, and, that makes sense. And you actually shouldn't iron rayon (unless your iron has an acrylic or rayon setting - most don't!), because the heat can damage it, so I wonder if that might be the issue with all the wrinkles in the photo shoot? Getting wrinkles out of rayon can be a pain, depending on the garment. (Your best bet is actually a clothing steamer!)
I mean, I get missing some details - I'm guilty of that myself sometimes, especially when you're rushing to meet a deadline! We're only humans, things can slip during the chaos of a launch! But someone should have caught that there was not a size guide on the website, for example? Sure, it might have been missed, but they could have added it without too much trouble? They were able to update the description of the romper in a hurry, so why not add a size guide if/when they realized it was missing?
This seems like a much bigger issue then just 'missing some details.'
Polyester and polyester fleece is not allowed for children's sleepware in Australia because it melts when in contact with fire and would melt all over their skin. It's a huge fire hazard.
Shrinking relates to the fabric used, not how the design got on there. If they are all the same fabric, they are all going to shrink.
3 times they made sure to say they were building from the ground up - 0 apologies given.
In 2006 I started my own skincare business. I wrote everything on my website and the terms of service/return policies. I then got a lawyer to look it over and tell me if anything needed changing. The lawyer was a cost I would have preferred not to pay, but I had the business for 6 years and had zero legal issues with it. It's seriously not hard to do.
Polyester is also sweaty as heck, and the cheapest material you could possibly use (I know there are different qualities, but sill). Why not at the very least use cotton?
That’s what I was wondering??? I know there’s the same guidelines in the US but I don’t know if it’s a full regulatory law
Yet another thing - I live in Europe, and such returning policy is illegal here. Anything you buy online can be returned and other policies are just impossible.
Personally I would ban polyester PJ, not only for kids. The horror! The horror!
I don’t know who these people are but the fact that Hannah is narrating this and it’s an hour long video won me over! Love your content Hannah you have a new subscriber! The first video I watched was the overconsumption of TikTok influencers and I thoroughly enjoyed that too! Sending love 💕 from Australia 🇦🇺😊
I hope everybody down here in the comments is having a good day! You are loved!
thank you!! you too :)
Needed this today, thank you! Hope you have a wonderful holiday. All my love ❤
Thank you! I hope you and everyone else will have a amazing day/night! ^^
That is so thoughtful, thank you, you are blessed to be able to bring it all around for everyone, I appreciate you ✌️🙏🫂
At this point I don’t even care what the topic is, I just love listening to you speak.. you have such a great voice!! Cheers from Canada
Why don’t the men get the cool full body patterns??? Why do they get boring ass solid color blocks??? I would not wear those.
Because THEIR insecure husbands won’t wear them so they assume that no other husbands will do it.
Please keep making those videos. I love them. I watch them when I bike to work or on my breaks or while getting ready for somewhere. ❤❤❤