@Garrus Vakarian bad thing with oled and subs is that sometimes they are too bright. Like with HDR movies, you have subtitles all the way in highest possible brightness. Espestialy with DV on netflix.
@@joaovmlsilva3509 I had mine broke down on me last year from 2008, to be honest it's plastic was really high quality in comparison to others but the contrast sucked on that LCD
Linus for months on end: we're gonna do HDR! Look at our dedicated HDR mastering room! We are gonna do HDR! *releases 15 minute video about HDR without HDR*
TCL 6 series (2020+) has a mini led backlight, and they are QLED, only down sides are the 55 inch model has something like 128 dimming zones and 120hz require a 1440p input
Having had this TV for soon a year now. It's great. Seriously nothing else that can match it, not even Samsung's newer 2022 models. Picture clarity, local dimming and contrast is just amazing, while also having it EXTREMELY accurately calibrated.
"Long answer, yes I could tell Short answer, no, not from an actual reasonable viewing distance" Why was your short answer longer than your long answer??
@@Prophes0r More to the point is if they expect it could go either way they make a script for each possible conclusion. So in this example 1 for if it is good and 1 for if it is bad but because they were so sure that it was going to be bad they didn't even consider planning a positive script.
Great video guys! We really enjoyed listening to your impressions of the two TVs side-by-side. The QN90A we bought and tested was even better than the QN85A. We'd be curious to see what you think!
No one cares, tv picture technology has already reached its saturation point, has done for years now and can not advance anymore, so these new tv's are in reality nothing new.
@@98ek9 the trick is tricking people into thinking QLED is a fundamentally different display technology when it's just an iteration on LCD. Which the average consumer doesn't know.
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Q-Symphony is very impressive BTW. Works perfectly on my Q950T + QN900A setup. Adds a lot of depth to the sound, which surprised me given flat panel TV speakers are usually so abysmal. The TV does have impressively large rear firing woofers in it though.
8:59 Just wanted to say that as someone who is deliberately slow to adopt new tech and doesn't experiment much, I would appreciate seeing tests like that and hearing your thoughts anyway. Because I don't have that intuitive experience you've built up and you were already surprised by how well it performed once. Regardless, this was informative and entertaining. Love it when Linus and the staff get to bounce off each other during videos. And I'm looking forward to some great TV's in the coming decade.
Love how linus always takes the tvs out of the most color accurate mode, he does it almost every time they look at tvs. btw linus, warm2 was probably nearly bang on for white point and color accuracy lol
I bought the LG C1, and it's great as a PC monitor, but the fear of Burn In is strong. Like, playing AC Valhalla, I turned the compass off... but then I didn't know where to go. I wonder if it'd be dumb to exchange it for the Samsung QN90a so there's less worry?
I just bought the a90j for one room and C1 for gaming in another but am considering the same thing. Gaming can cause burn in so much faster due to all the static images. If you have more than one console though you should stick with the C1 as the qn90a only has one hdmi 2.1 port. I think next years Samsung’s and Sony’s will have more hdmi 2.1 hopefully
then why did you buy it if you had the common sense to know you had to baby sit and make it last for at least 5 years before minor burn ins start to show up. Do you have to much money on your hands,maybe consider giving it away to charity.
@@sollap2 It is real. I had burn in on my C9 after 1,5 years of normal use. Stop lying to make yourself feel better. Also it's not a matter of 'if' your oled will get burn in, more a question of 'when'.
What's his reasoning for that opinion? I assume it's because if you mount it flat against the fireplace then the viewer will be at an odd viewing angle, but you can easily angle the TV down to a straight on view. Calling someone a monster is a pretty hot take so am I missing something on why you "shouldn't" mount TVs on fireplaces?
@@LightsLuck- Probably because a fireplace is used to generate heat and excess heat is bad for most modern tech. I work in a retail big box store and some of the TVs could already function as a heater they put out so much heat when you stand close to them, I actually thought I was standing under the vent for the heater last week but looking up showed there wasn't one and all the heat I was feeling was coming from the 75" TV I was standing in front of. Mounting one of those above another heat source is asking to drastically shorten the lifespan of your device.
@@LightsLuck- Two reasons mainly, for one it's mounted higher than your usual line of sight, so you'll have to be angling your neck up to view it, which can put a lot of strain on your neck after a short while. On top of that, assuming you use your fireplace as well, a fireplace, then the heat as well as any stray smoke are going to rise up to your TV, which is not very good for any electronics. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's far from the best place to put a TV.
If your fireplace is letting out enough smoke into your house to damage your TV, you best be moving houses. The whole point of chimneys is to prevent smoke from entering the house. As for heat, bricks are really good at preventing heat creep and wouldn't pass any directly to the TV mount itself. I suppose the ambient temperature around the fireplace could be an issue, but only if you have the TV close enough to the actual flames. There is a reason BBQs have the grill essentially on the flame. The heat dissipates extremely quickly. And the viewing angle is only a problem if you have a straight backed chair and a flat TV mount. Angling the TV 20° down and sitting in a recliner is the same as viewing straight on. I guess my point is the obvious cons of fireplace mounting are easily avoided so it seems odd to have a hard no stance on it when so many houses are designed around the fireplace being the vocal point of a living room.
I wish I'd seen this review a week ago when my 4-year old Sony Bravia decided to go to TV heaven. I was aware of QLED from reviews and decided that it was the better choice than n OLED for the environment it's located. Got a Samsung Q70A QLED which arrived yesterday and I was really impressed with the picture compared to the prior Sony. But I didn't really have a chance to do the research that I normally would have done, and was not aware of the additional benefits of Neo QLED. The price difference for the 55-inch (which is what I got) was only $300, so I would probably have sprung for the Neo QLED. However, the Q70A QLED is till a great picture. I'm impressed by the black levels, the vivid colors, and the level of detail in the pictures.
@@j.dixelius Na. It's called adjusting it. The yellow hue is fucking awful imo. The blue isn't great but still acceptable. But normal people like me adjust it manually without relying on presets anyway.
@@nighttimestalkerNormal, maybe, but not correct. Blue has an advantage of looking brighter and it's why most TVs in a store have the blues cranked up to flood our eyes with perceived brightness. However, the warm/dimmer looks is typically more accurate in most situations. (Let a meter confirm, can't trust yourself or environment half the time.) I'll give Linus the benefit of the doubt that trying to make the TVs push out more brightness in a bluer comparison does a better job of trying to spot dimming zones / algorithm at work.
Pretty much...we need a self emissive Quantum Dot display...I just don’t think I could switch back to a transmissive display...just too many distractions for my taste. However, I do miss the peak brightness and color volume of a QLED.
Linus, I sell TVs for a living and let me tell you this: your local dimming explanation should be mandatory to each and every buyer, this was just spot on, great work!
Hey bro, need ur advice if u can. In ur opinion, Which is better for excessive hardcore ps5 gaming and watching movies with subtitles. Lg c1 Or neo qled qn85a? What's the average life time for c1 anyway without burn in?
@@mohammedel-asfer9753 I had the same question but no one would answer. I just went ahead and pulled the trigger on the C1. Burn-in is in the back of my mind but I have warranty plus the overall quality beats the QN85. The only thing the QN85 does better is the brightness.
Warm2 or Warm 50 in new LG models is the most accurate out-of-the-box color tone btw. It is clearly visible if you compare Jake's or Linus's skin tone to that on the TVs in Standard tone. Also Bladerunner 2049 is a really bad example of HDR content rarely hitting anything above 200 nits.
@@rodryguezzz oh damn that takes me back. used to know a professional ISF calibrator, he told me which of those calibration DVDs (then, now blu-ray) to use, he said I could get close, just not as close as him because he has a special tool to get the colors dead on.
Jake with his stache kinda looks like that state trooper that pulls you over and before getting to your window, smashes your taillight and straight up shoots one of you tires. Then without missing a beat asks for your license and registration followed by "You're not from around here are ya?"
@@drewbocop Do you mean the letter or the technology? I agree about the letter, the display technology and image quality are so far apart that it's not even fun. Both technologies have pros and cons, though.
The Q was definitely marketing. Trying to confuse people. QLED is just rebranding of LED LCD displays. No disrespect to the tech, I had my LED LCD TV for over a decade from before the Q and was perfectly happy with it.
I bought the TCL 6 Series late last year which is Mini LED QLED with Dolby Vision and oh my is it amazing! I never thought I would be able to get black levels and contrast similar to OLED without the crazy cost. It’s definitely the best TV purchase decision I’ve made.
It's very likely that you two might disagree about which display looks green / pink due to observer metamerism. You each have different cone cell pigmentations in your retina, in addition to a few other factors. For wide gamut displays this difference can create a noticeable pink or green color cast depending on the observer!
they both seem to like cool colors too. i used to, too, but now i've warmed a bit to "warm2". i prefer it. oleds are too cool from factory, technically they're most accurate at their warmest setting, tho to me that's too much
Is there backing to what you say? I really notice blue or green tinting on most oleds and I think I was nuts. IPS to my eyes still produce nicer whites on some models. Really bright ones like QN85 has better whites on display racks but I'm guessing it's because it's crazy bright and the angles are wide. Really hate brightness/gamma shifting on VA panels and heavily affects whites for me.
@@aideniridescence1437 There are a huge number of papers written on the measurable color perception differences of color-normal observers, but specific to displays this is a good paper. Park, Yongmin, Michael J. Murdoch, and Mark D. Fairchild. "Observer metamerism: Why do [mis] matches of neutral appear pinkish or greenish?." In Color and Imaging Conference, vol. 2020, no. 28, pp. 7-12. Society for Imaging Science and Technology, 2020.
Checkout 7:25 (frame by frame) where we can see the backlight microLEDs turning on, on the Samsung QN85A on the top left corner when the scene transitions from the big metal structure on the left to the view of the horizon.
Warm2 is actually the most accurate white balance to D65. I struggled with this too, as it did look too warm for me - but unfortunately the industry standard is warmer than you think, so you're actually not getting an accurate picture by going to warm1 or a neutral temp. Also, these TVs may look similar side by side watching a particular movie, but as someone else said, using a movie with a grade that isn't bright doesn't help compare them well because the backlight probably isn't doing as much. On Grey uniformity and a bunch of other things the OLED still blows the QLED out of the water. Interested to see the QN90A though with that VA panel.
what the content creators want and what the people want are two different things lol. the q90c now as the model has upgraded generatins and panels is amazing. i had the c3 oled and returned it for the q90c brightness does matter alot let me tell you how good a explosion looks in a black night time scene at 2k nits while the rest of the screen is pure black and this firey ember burns in the middle of your screen looking like its a fire thru a window not tv set. if you like a dark mancave oled is your choice. if you game in natural light dont like cave settings qled. Oled had deeper color reproduction while qled has richer cripser colors if that makes any sense. im more of a saturated image reds pop and look sharp typem guy and qled delivers over oled in this . the final combo is the qled oled tvs from samsung those things must be the absolute tits
He uses monitors all the time though, and likely calibrated for work, so it's weird that he's not used to D65. I've seen it on other videos too: he tends to like cooler temps.
Maybe it's because I grew up playing video games that are designed for more blue whites or maybe I'm just partial to blue in general, but I prefer neutral/cool. I have the same line of LG in the video and love the color on neutral.
@@LightsLuck- just leave it as warm2 for a while for movies, you will definitely get used to it and think that other settings look crazy blue and 'un-filmic' afterwards
@@LightsLuck- I used to be the same way, then I switched my settings to the warmer ones that most enthusiasts recommend. It takes about a week or so to get used to them, but once you do, you never go back. In fact, you start to really notice and dislike whenever too much blue is present in an image.
Watching this video on a led mobile phone really allows me to see the differences. The differences are minimum, but it there Thank LG and Samsung for constantly researching new ways to make good TV cheaper. Not everyone have 5000usd to spare on a TV
when Linus wears a cap back-to-front, does that mean he's being "really" serious or just "somewhat" serious? I tried applying a boolean value to the "seriousness" but kept hitting unhandled exceptions in my CapHandler.. any help would be greatly appreciated...
I love my 32inch VA panel.. I'm gonna be very sad when it finally gives up. Because occasionally i look around to see what's available and i don't find anything like it.
@@fellahuman that's not true, Blade Runner 2049 is HDR. HDR does not mean high brightness, there are many other aspects to it, and it depends on artistic choice. They could have mastered it in very high brightness but they chose not to. That doesn't mean it isn't HDR, and Vincents video is very misleading .
I just bought this television 2 days ago, primarily for my PS5, and I love it. I mean,…I really love it. It’s replacing a 46” Panasonic Viera plasma television that has been a real reliable, tough television over the last 12 or so years. This Hisense was a steal at $1000 and 24 months same as cash. I can’t believe how bright this tv is and how beautiful HDR and Dolby Vision content look. And I’ve quit using my Logitech surround sound system since this tv’s sound is plenty capable for its’ location; my basement. If you can’t fathom spending 2 grand for a 65” tv, buy this thing! You will not be disappointed. I come from a PC background so, I love to tinker and this tv does require some trial and error to come to a picture quality that you are happy with. That being said. I would not buy another tv if you paid me to. This tv is by far the best tv for the money, hands down.
@@Highlander77 I did wonder how much that would affect it, & whether the camera would pick it up slightly differently due to the size. Kinda impossible to tell unfortunately, I'll just have to go look in a shop sometime
I just upgraded to a 55 QNA90 from a 49 MU6300 I can’t wait to be blown again for my series x! Just like how I was when I got the one x for the 49 MU6300
Just a fun spec to throw out there regarding light elements on TVs: if you consider per light element dimming, a 1080p plasma display had 2,073,600 pixels, each red, green and blue sub pixel was emissive so it had 6,220,800 dimming zones. OLED panels from LG use stacked pixel elements with red, green, blue and white so it has one light source for each pixel rather than plasma's 3. LCD is not emissive so the comparison doesn't really matter but in a numbers game plasma should have been marketing all those "zones" 😁
I still jealously hold onto my old Panasonic plasma display. 1080P and 600hz refresh (black to black) As the refresh is a full scan/wipe of the screen and not some backlighting tricks, there is zero tearing, artifacts, trails, blurring, or whatever. I still wish they made them. Then again, the best TV I ever saw was a giant 200 inch or so model at a casino. It was a 4K display made up OF LEDs.(think display signs) Your brain does simply not compute the first time you see it as it's like OLED and a Jumbotron had an illicit love child. So there is always "better" for us mere mortals to aspire to :)
I agree with the other comments that a movie that went for a more aggressive grade would've made a better test. I don't think blade runner would challenge any sort of "mid-range" (depending on your definition for mid-range) or above tv
My LG C9 has ifx pro modes that (by all measurements of factory settings) are closer to reference monitors used in the industry for color-grading than any of the warm/normal/cool settings IIRC.
It's like cars; we got rid of the horses that pulled our buggies, and now we're finally getting to the point where the drawbacks of doing so are being overcome. In both cases, the benefits of phasing out current tech outweighed the drawbacks, at least in popular opinion, and so we did.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Indeed. CRTs looked great, but man were they huge and heavy (and very dim). 60" TVs just wouldn't be in people's homes if they had to dedicate as much space for it as two laundry machines and a fridge. A 24" Sony Trinitron CRT litteraly weighs a bit under 50kg, that's insane.
The first and only oled display i've owned was the ps vita and while i was blown away by how different it was and could see a lot of advantages in terms of things like battery life a handheld could make use of the technology as a whole never really caught me
@@lukemacinnes5124 when your current phone gets worn out, grab a flagship from last year or the year before. i got my oneplus 8 a year after it came out for 240 new in box. Plus oled screens are on a lot more than just flagships, its just that most people dont tend to have midrange phones around where i am, so i didnt mention em (its either 1500 dollar flagships or 50 dollar cheap androids that lead to people thinking androids are crap overall, lol)
@@marcusborderlands6177 I used to use a super cheap one myself, could honestly see myself switching back lmao, i got a razer phone 2 a couple years back, on my second one after getting a replacement and still having issues, cheap phone still works fine
@@lukemacinnes5124 i think thats more the fact that you bought razer lol, havent had a single product from them besides a mouse last longer than a year. Cheap phones lost their allure for me when i found out the new/open box 1-2 year old flagship market was so huge
"Good Enough" the eternal enemy of "Excellence". We may be looking at a Betamax vs. VHS situation here. The tech specs of OLED is a nerd's wet dream... But Mini-LED has become so good the differences are negligible for the average user, and the advantages of QLED may outweigh the advantages of OLED for all but the hardcore audience.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that be more like Laser Disk Vs VHS than? One has clearly better visual specification but the advantages for the average user out way these better specs?
Actually returned my LG C1 because of ABL (Auto Brightness Limiter) that cannot be turned off. Mostly use my TV with my PC hooked up to it and the moment you switch to a bright website or a bright part in a video/game/movie or tv show comes up it dims down a lot. Until there are OLED models without that I will probably just stick with QLED. ABL really bothered me.
I've been using an OLED55B7A as my PC display since June 2018. Over 10,000 hours and zero image retention. The key is to not crank up the brightness (OLED Light) for no reason, and not keep icons on the desktop. I keep mine at 10% which is more than bright enough.
@@bricaaron3978 Yeah, I've been taking basically the same precautions. Hiding my taskbar, no icons, rotating wallpapers. My OLED Light is at 25 rn but it feels quite bright when my lights are off, might go with your suggestion of 10%. Windows really shits out when rotating the wallpapers if I'm playing something in window mode (e.g. an older game that doesn't support 4k), where my framerate drops (even though I'm on a 10850K + 3080). Not sure how to address that.
@@MaavBR I use a plain 50% white (grey) background, because retention is caused by a _differential_ in pixel brightness -- so my hypothesis is that 50% white ensures that the maximum any pixel differential between windows/etc. and the background can be is 50%. That's also because I prefer a plain color and always used a black background on my CRT, but on an OLED that's a no-no. Also, the reason I use a brightness of '10' and not '0' is that the OLED55B7A has a ridiculous bug in which the automatic brightness -- which can't be disabled -- actually _increases_ the brightness if it is set below '10'. I'm assuming that later models either allow the automatic brightness function to be disabled (ideal), or have this bug fixed. P.S. *"Not sure how to address that."* Windows 7 :P
this is really really nicely explained for the average user coming into the market and just bedazzled by the various available options. Thank you so much for the history lesson!!
I’ve had my 65” QN85a for a while now and returned a 65” Vizio OLED H1 for it and have found the software and performance to be exponentially better than the Vizio
i have the 55CX and when its dark outside my 'energy saver' mode is set to max as it is the easyest way to dim it in few clicks(in daytime it is set to none), because when there is white content in complete darkness- eyes are burning... So I also dont get the people cry about OLED(cx) brightness. One thing in CX i would love is matte panel and not glanced - in sunny conditions i need to close all curtains to block the direct sun as it is heavy blooming out the content.... But I still love my decision that i went to LG oled and not samsung qdot :)
@@LooNeYlv I agree about the glossy panel being an issue. It is my only gripe with the TV but you could say the same thing about Plasmas back in the day too.
I have 65QN92A samsung, still not bright enough. In new homes you have way more windows and sun. It is now doable. Would not buy an oled cause in summer time the sun goes down around 22:00 or even later, good luck with your oled LoL, have fun in the winter!
The only time I'm disappointed with my CX is when it's 75%+ screen coverage white or near-white values, it's actually dimmer than my Acer IPS display as my second monitor in those situations. But when watching content where it matters you very rarely have those situations or notice anything "disappointing" like that.
I just bought the QN85A 55" on Samsung website on sale for $699.99 (after trade-in) not bad at all and I'm just as impressed as Linus. I was really worried when I started watching reviews on this set as everyone seemed to think it was a bad display (it's not) but I've been totally impressed with the black levels PLUS your HDR content gets really really bright when needed. Something OLED just cannot handle. I replaced a 50" Sony OLED and I'm not looking back. The "starfield" test was definitely not as bright with pinpoint lights like my OLED, but then again.... I'm not buying my TV to sit around and watch starfields all day now am I?
Just turn on the subtitles. That's the ultimate test for any kind of local dimming.
I always go for the credits screen. That's motion blur, contrast, bloom and sharpness.
@@kye3k1 GeniuSus
@Garrus Vakarian bad thing with oled and subs is that sometimes they are too bright. Like with HDR movies, you have subtitles all the way in highest possible brightness. Espestialy with DV on netflix.
@@j3sion Good point. With Netflix on OLED, I've found semi-transparent subtitles less blinding.
Space sequences with all black background and moving small bright stars are even harder for mini LED backlight algorithms.
Me on my 1080p VA monitor: “yep I can totally see the difference between these TVs.”
lol
VA has good colors tho
1080p Ips from 12 years ago.
The colors look worse than my other 900p TA monitor😂
Me on my 1080p TN monitor*
@@joaovmlsilva3509 I had mine broke down on me last year from 2008, to be honest it's plastic was really high quality in comparison to others but the contrast sucked on that LCD
Linus for months on end: we're gonna do HDR! Look at our dedicated HDR mastering room! We are gonna do HDR!
*releases 15 minute video about HDR without HDR*
Really pathetic really
@@barongerhardt Thanks, very helpful.
@@barongerhardt thanks, but I don’t even have HDR
@@barongerhardt great vid
@@barongerhardt best tutorial ever
can't wait to afford one of these bad boys in 12 years
TCL 6 series (2020+) has a mini led backlight, and they are QLED, only down sides are the 55 inch model has something like 128 dimming zones and 120hz require a 1440p input
Only 12 years?
Yup
Or you could wait to black Friday.
You're optimistic
I'm so glad you guys started doing timestamps, it makes it so much easier to find specific information in your videos.
But, you won't ever rewatch the video so what does it matter?
@@Blackfeet what
@@mathias4514 huh
@@Blackfeet why wouldn't I though? theLinus makes really enjoyable content and it's good to watch even if for the second time
"Fundamentally, a mini LED is the same as a regular LED, only smaller."
Mind = blown
As opposed to micro LED which are pixel scale, allowing the elimination of a backlight entirely and all that goes with that.
@@djayjp That was a well written and informative comment that might not have seen the light.
@@MrVolksbeetle Lol
In other news:
If you hit a home run, you get to run home.
"Hmm, yes, the floor appears to be made of floor" or however the meme goes. :p
Having had this TV for soon a year now. It's great. Seriously nothing else that can match it, not even Samsung's newer 2022 models. Picture clarity, local dimming and contrast is just amazing, while also having it EXTREMELY accurately calibrated.
"Long answer, yes I could tell
Short answer, no, not from an actual reasonable viewing distance"
Why was your short answer longer than your long answer??
😂
😂
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Because he is referring to the reasoning behind to get to the actual answer, not the actual yes or no answer.
Fuuuuuck asking the real questions here
Me trying to analyze the shadows with the UA-cam compression 🤡
Basically pixel soup
And the OLED footage is not even in focus.
and by using lcd monitor
their darks looks pretty darks in my TN display, and so vibrant colors, wow!
And with 144p
"We had a scripted outro" I mean, man, you weren't kidding about being surprised.
@@Prophes0r bro can you not take a joke lmao… be not serious for once
@@Prophes0r well no shit
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@@Prophes0r More to the point is if they expect it could go either way they make a script for each possible conclusion. So in this example 1 for if it is good and 1 for if it is bad but because they were so sure that it was going to be bad they didn't even consider planning a positive script.
@NaN This!
4:37 Linus' ability to drop things even when he isn't holding them is impeccable.
Great video guys! We really enjoyed listening to your impressions of the two TVs side-by-side. The QN90A we bought and tested was even better than the QN85A. We'd be curious to see what you think!
Fake ratings
I love your website :) really good info
No one cares, tv picture technology has already reached its saturation point, has done for years now and can not advance anymore, so these new tv's are in reality nothing new.
test all against there real competition the LG G1's
@@tyronenelson9124 Tv technology goes around display technology.
Display technology HAS to advance.
Heard of virtual reality?
"we turned off all lighting not required for filming" *RGB glow from background PCs in screen*
That was required for filming.
Oop
😂
"QLED, short for Quantum Dot LED - Backlit LCD" I'm glad we started with 1 acronym and ended with 2 different ones 😂
Really shady of Samsung to call it QLED trying to fool people into thinking its OLED
@@mikeydude750 only get tricked if you can't take the time to read. And we all know taking ones time and reading is hard.
Yuh
Quantum Dot Light Emitting Diode Backlit Liquid Crystal Display
@@98ek9 the trick is tricking people into thinking QLED is a fundamentally different display technology when it's just an iteration on LCD. Which the average consumer doesn't know.
Q-Symphony is very impressive BTW.
Works perfectly on my Q950T + QN900A setup.
Adds a lot of depth to the sound, which surprised me given flat panel TV speakers are usually so abysmal. The TV does have impressively large rear firing woofers in it though.
8:59 Just wanted to say that as someone who is deliberately slow to adopt new tech and doesn't experiment much, I would appreciate seeing tests like that and hearing your thoughts anyway. Because I don't have that intuitive experience you've built up and you were already surprised by how well it performed once. Regardless, this was informative and entertaining. Love it when Linus and the staff get to bounce off each other during videos. And I'm looking forward to some great TV's in the coming decade.
is that Saint Floyd of Fentanyl?!?
If Linus sitting almost results in dropping a laptop, I can’t begin to imagine how often he drops things.
He should be a DJ, he has everything one needs, including crazy drops.
Same thing i was thinking.. lol
He had to do this to afford his lifestyle.
Love how linus always takes the tvs out of the most color accurate mode, he does it almost every time they look at tvs. btw linus, warm2 was probably nearly bang on for white point and color accuracy lol
I cried when he switched it off warm2 to match the samsung instead of the other way around, then again when he switched the Samsung in the end too.
As a follower of Vincent, this killed me.
came here to say this except I'm not laughing about it
I still don't understand this. If D65 white is meant to be daylight white then why would warm/warm2 be more accurate?! Can someone explain!
@@rorymarsh idk I just go by what Vincent from HDTVTest says and he says that Warm2 has the best accuracy
If a Mini LED is just an LED that is small, then what is a Mini Ladd?
a person that tried to show mini lads his mini lad
I FUCKING KNEW IT SOMEONE GOTTA SAY THIS AFTER WATCHING NOGLA AND BRIAN'S VIDEO LMAOOOO
@@ookamidesu000 i came there too
A pedo.
I'll do you one better, why is mini ladd
I bought the LG C1, and it's great as a PC monitor, but the fear of Burn In is strong. Like, playing AC Valhalla, I turned the compass off... but then I didn't know where to go. I wonder if it'd be dumb to exchange it for the Samsung QN90a so there's less worry?
Dont be scared, it needs years of usage to develope a burn in. Watch some burn-in test to comfort yourself :D
I just bought the a90j for one room and C1 for gaming in another but am considering the same thing. Gaming can cause burn in so much faster due to all the static images. If you have more than one console though you should stick with the C1 as the qn90a only has one hdmi 2.1 port. I think next years Samsung’s and Sony’s will have more hdmi 2.1 hopefully
then why did you buy it if you had the common sense to know you had to baby sit and make it last for at least 5 years before minor burn ins start to show up. Do you have to much money on your hands,maybe consider giving it away to charity.
@@MGrey-qb5xz You probably dont have any luxury items, like a smart phone or a PC, or a PS4-5. If you do, please, give it away to charity.
@@sollap2 It is real. I had burn in on my C9 after 1,5 years of normal use. Stop lying to make yourself feel better. Also it's not a matter of 'if' your oled will get burn in, more a question of 'when'.
I was reading about the "geriatric millennials" and this image of Linus using a baseball cap backwards appeared.
If LTT doesn’t heart this comment, I don’t know what I’ll do.
Ha! I read that, too.
"They're monsters, but they do it"
Right on Linus.
What's his reasoning for that opinion? I assume it's because if you mount it flat against the fireplace then the viewer will be at an odd viewing angle, but you can easily angle the TV down to a straight on view.
Calling someone a monster is a pretty hot take so am I missing something on why you "shouldn't" mount TVs on fireplaces?
@@LightsLuck- Probably because a fireplace is used to generate heat and excess heat is bad for most modern tech.
I work in a retail big box store and some of the TVs could already function as a heater they put out so much heat when you stand close to them, I actually thought I was standing under the vent for the heater last week but looking up showed there wasn't one and all the heat I was feeling was coming from the 75" TV I was standing in front of.
Mounting one of those above another heat source is asking to drastically shorten the lifespan of your device.
@@LightsLuck- Two reasons mainly, for one it's mounted higher than your usual line of sight, so you'll have to be angling your neck up to view it, which can put a lot of strain on your neck after a short while. On top of that, assuming you use your fireplace as well, a fireplace, then the heat as well as any stray smoke are going to rise up to your TV, which is not very good for any electronics. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's far from the best place to put a TV.
I felt personally attacked. 🤣
If your fireplace is letting out enough smoke into your house to damage your TV, you best be moving houses. The whole point of chimneys is to prevent smoke from entering the house.
As for heat, bricks are really good at preventing heat creep and wouldn't pass any directly to the TV mount itself. I suppose the ambient temperature around the fireplace could be an issue, but only if you have the TV close enough to the actual flames. There is a reason BBQs have the grill essentially on the flame. The heat dissipates extremely quickly.
And the viewing angle is only a problem if you have a straight backed chair and a flat TV mount. Angling the TV 20° down and sitting in a recliner is the same as viewing straight on.
I guess my point is the obvious cons of fireplace mounting are easily avoided so it seems odd to have a hard no stance on it when so many houses are designed around the fireplace being the vocal point of a living room.
11:31 long answer "yes, I could tell" short answer "no, not from an actual reasonable viewing distance"
5:40 also. I mean look at the skin tone, OLED is more "natural"
It’s a hunk of junk
@@serge23rus If you don't like the colors, that's easily fixed with a bit more calibration.
What is the point of you typing out something we heard while watching the video?
@@Retromags_Brian It's for people who don't want to watch it all probably. But it's kind of unnecessary when they already have the video segmented.
I wish I'd seen this review a week ago when my 4-year old Sony Bravia decided to go to TV heaven. I was aware of QLED from reviews and decided that it was the better choice than n OLED for the environment it's located. Got a Samsung Q70A QLED which arrived yesterday and I was really impressed with the picture compared to the prior Sony. But I didn't really have a chance to do the research that I normally would have done, and was not aware of the additional benefits of Neo QLED. The price difference for the 55-inch (which is what I got) was only $300, so I would probably have sprung for the Neo QLED. However, the Q70A QLED is till a great picture. I'm impressed by the black levels, the vivid colors, and the level of detail in the pictures.
LG's "Warm2" is as close to D65 as you get out-of-the-box, so... You shouldn't have changed it.
I'll change it in a heart beat.
I hate the yellow hue warm settings add
@@nighttimestalker the thing is its not a yellow hue add, the normal or cool colour is just a blue tint add
@@j.dixelius
Na. It's called adjusting it.
The yellow hue is fucking awful imo. The blue isn't great but still acceptable.
But normal people like me adjust it manually without relying on presets anyway.
@@nighttimestalker Nah bro it's not a yellow tint trust me my dad works for Samsung and he told me
@@nighttimestalkerNormal, maybe, but not correct. Blue has an advantage of looking brighter and it's why most TVs in a store have the blues cranked up to flood our eyes with perceived brightness. However, the warm/dimmer looks is typically more accurate in most situations. (Let a meter confirm, can't trust yourself or environment half the time.) I'll give Linus the benefit of the doubt that trying to make the TVs push out more brightness in a bluer comparison does a better job of trying to spot dimming zones / algorithm at work.
Thanos: beating the shit out of iron man
Linus: well that’s unfortunate
"Supreme is not a number" LMAO
Samsung pulling a classic Apple "non descriptive fluff word that sounds impressive to your average consumer" product description
Instrument: Mayonnaise
The kids didn't want to try Mini Led, but he made them try anyway.
If you know, you know.
moves mouse to dark part of screen and cries in bloom - thanks for pointing out what i was oblivious to
Oh I'm very sorry, you'll never unsee
I really enjoy Jake and Linus's dynamic when Geeking out over technology
You never need to say “pun intended” because we always know you intend to pun. But carry on lol.
dumb
agreed. people who say no pun or pun intended are lame.
Everyone replying to this comment must be super fun at parties.. oof..
@@JamesPederson85 right, it's like saying, "you got my joke" lol
@@maurosixtos it’s silly, but I was just poking fun - I love puns, so I’m here for it haha..
Linus: How many dimimg zones you have?
Samsung: Supreme
“A mini led is just a led but smaller”-Linus tech tips 2021
“So a huge led is just a led but bigger”
- Linus, probably
Big facts 👏
Minus Tech Tips -jk
its like we watched the same video
Techquickie
Linus really reminds me of that Steve Buscemi "fellow kids" meme when he wears a baseball cap like that.
nice copy paste
Classic "douche bag" style.
“It all comes down to LCD.”
It hurts that all is the same....
@literally ur dope ???
Pretty much...we need a self emissive Quantum Dot display...I just don’t think I could switch back to a transmissive display...just too many distractions for my taste. However, I do miss the peak brightness and color volume of a QLED.
@@ye-ROC i like your funny words, magic man
@@cybercery5271 😂
@@ye-ROC oled with quantum dot color filter? But it won't be that bright. Mini and microLEDs are the future
Linus, I sell TVs for a living and let me tell you this: your local dimming explanation should be mandatory to each and every buyer, this was just spot on, great work!
Hey bro, need ur advice if u can. In ur opinion,
Which is better for excessive hardcore ps5 gaming and watching movies with subtitles.
Lg c1
Or neo qled qn85a?
What's the average life time for c1 anyway without burn in?
@@mohammedel-asfer9753 I had the same question but no one would answer. I just went ahead and pulled the trigger on the C1. Burn-in is in the back of my mind but I have warranty plus the overall quality beats the QN85. The only thing the QN85 does better is the brightness.
@@Bbknuckles can you update us on C1? how it's doing now?
Warm2 or Warm 50 in new LG models is the most accurate out-of-the-box color tone btw. It is clearly visible if you compare Jake's or Linus's skin tone to that on the TVs in Standard tone. Also Bladerunner 2049 is a really bad example of HDR content rarely hitting anything above 200 nits.
Could’ve picked a movie that actually has HDR, Deakins kept the brightness low on this HDR colour grade.
what movie is this?
@@ExarchGaming Blade Runner 2049
Trouble is Samsung will continue to suck in HDR due to insisting on not supporting Dolby Vision.
Or maybe one of the Spears & Munsil benchmark 4k blurays.
@@rodryguezzz oh damn that takes me back. used to know a professional ISF calibrator, he told me which of those calibration DVDs (then, now blu-ray) to use, he said I could get close, just not as close as him because he has a special tool to get the colors dead on.
Jake with his stache kinda looks like that state trooper that pulls you over and before getting to your window, smashes your taillight and straight up shoots one of you tires. Then without missing a beat asks for your license and registration followed by "You're not from around here are ya?"
It would have been nice to see comparison with subtitles enabled. Subtitles bleeding was the reason I bought an OLED display.
1:05 Love the reference to Samsung marketing pretending that QLED is similar to OLED.
What do you mean? It's identical besides the squiggly
@@drewbocop Do you mean the letter or the technology? I agree about the letter, the display technology and image quality are so far apart that it's not even fun. Both technologies have pros and cons, though.
Can't be more true
When I first see a Samsung QLED TV I thought it's was another name for OLED.
The Q was definitely marketing. Trying to confuse people. QLED is just rebranding of LED LCD displays. No disrespect to the tech, I had my LED LCD TV for over a decade from before the Q and was perfectly happy with it.
Linus is probably the only person i'd never hand my electronics to. Every episode is an emotional rollercoaster of fear of destruction.... rip macbook
He can replace any of your tech tho
4:37 how could it be an ltt video without Linus hitting or dropping something
I bought the TCL 6 Series late last year which is Mini LED QLED with Dolby Vision and oh my is it amazing! I never thought I would be able to get black levels and contrast similar to OLED without the crazy cost. It’s definitely the best TV purchase decision I’ve made.
What model?
It's very likely that you two might disagree about which display looks green / pink due to observer metamerism. You each have different cone cell pigmentations in your retina, in addition to a few other factors. For wide gamut displays this difference can create a noticeable pink or green color cast depending on the observer!
they both seem to like cool colors too. i used to, too, but now i've warmed a bit to "warm2". i prefer it. oleds are too cool from factory, technically they're most accurate at their warmest setting, tho to me that's too much
Is there backing to what you say? I really notice blue or green tinting on most oleds and I think I was nuts. IPS to my eyes still produce nicer whites on some models. Really bright ones like QN85 has better whites on display racks but I'm guessing it's because it's crazy bright and the angles are wide.
Really hate brightness/gamma shifting on VA panels and heavily affects whites for me.
@@aideniridescence1437 There are a huge number of papers written on the measurable color perception differences of color-normal observers, but specific to displays this is a good paper.
Park, Yongmin, Michael J. Murdoch, and Mark D. Fairchild. "Observer metamerism: Why do [mis] matches of neutral appear pinkish or greenish?." In Color and Imaging Conference, vol. 2020, no. 28, pp. 7-12. Society for Imaging Science and Technology, 2020.
@@TuckerDowns Thanks.
I thought you said "observer materialism" lol
linus: its black you can't even see it
youtube algorithm: yeah about that
How does the algorithm affect the video quality?
@@rayyanshaikh5591 yeah he probably refers about the compression youtube does
Ooo burn
I think you're referring to the compression.
@@olivertrees yes its compression but compression doesn't have that snap to it.
Damn that screen looks so good! Hope linus don't drop it through!
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@@Odin2244 and why should I care?
@@Odin2244 OMG THIS ANOTHER COMMENT BOT.
Checkout 7:25 (frame by frame) where we can see the backlight microLEDs turning on, on the Samsung QN85A on the top left corner when the scene transitions from the big metal structure on the left to the view of the horizon.
Nice catch.
“That is a lot to live up to, just like our sponsor” saw that one coming lmao
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Warm2 is actually the most accurate white balance to D65. I struggled with this too, as it did look too warm for me - but unfortunately the industry standard is warmer than you think, so you're actually not getting an accurate picture by going to warm1 or a neutral temp.
Also, these TVs may look similar side by side watching a particular movie, but as someone else said, using a movie with a grade that isn't bright doesn't help compare them well because the backlight probably isn't doing as much. On Grey uniformity and a bunch of other things the OLED still blows the QLED out of the water. Interested to see the QN90A though with that VA panel.
i don't think there's a necessity to force yourself to accept industry standards. if you think it looks too warm, just configure it in a way you like.
what the content creators want and what the people want are two different things lol. the q90c now as the model has upgraded generatins and panels is amazing. i had the c3 oled and returned it for the q90c brightness does matter alot let me tell you how good a explosion looks in a black night time scene at 2k nits while the rest of the screen is pure black and this firey ember burns in the middle of your screen looking like its a fire thru a window not tv set.
if you like a dark mancave oled is your choice. if you game in natural light dont like cave settings qled.
Oled had deeper color reproduction while qled has richer cripser colors if that makes any sense. im more of a saturated image reds pop and look sharp typem guy and qled delivers over oled in this .
the final combo is the qled oled tvs from samsung those things must be the absolute tits
He uses monitors all the time though, and likely calibrated for work, so it's weird that he's not used to D65. I've seen it on other videos too: he tends to like cooler temps.
What about the TCL 6 series? I've had 75" for 4 months now and its mini LED.
The best is subtitles. Watching a movie with subtitles shows up bloom like nothing else.
I'm just patiently waiting for Linus' reaction for the mini LED iPad Pro
"Now this one looks a little green" Scene was prob shot with a green filter.
“There’s the problem” - proceeds to turn off the most recommended setting for color temp on the LG, lol
Thank you, I also had to comment lmao!
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Maybe it's because I grew up playing video games that are designed for more blue whites or maybe I'm just partial to blue in general, but I prefer neutral/cool. I have the same line of LG in the video and love the color on neutral.
@@LightsLuck- just leave it as warm2 for a while for movies, you will definitely get used to it and think that other settings look crazy blue and 'un-filmic' afterwards
@@LightsLuck- I used to be the same way, then I switched my settings to the warmer ones that most enthusiasts recommend. It takes about a week or so to get used to them, but once you do, you never go back. In fact, you start to really notice and dislike whenever too much blue is present in an image.
10:01 Why is there way more detail in the Samsung? It's like oled is on 1080p and Samsung on 4k?
Ltt always bringing us daily uploads, what a legend
I thought they've been uploading daily for a long time
@@dr.vishantpriyadarshi7050 they have, that's why I love them
They should have used the Battle of Winterfell to judge the disparity between the two.
Me watching the video: "Oh man this seems like a really good option"
Me seeing the price tag: "But why..."
That's me, but in my case it was seeing Ryzen 3 3200G price tags.
For a first gen product it seems really cheap. TVs with this tech will be affordable in 2-3 years.
For a 75" TV this doesn't seem to bad.
Everything good is always expensive :((
Just wait a year and get huge discounts for the old models. Works every time.
I just love that linus is the biggest nerd ever and he is proud for it. GOOD JOB you are a hero to all of us!!!!
1:05 8th one is OLED
Watching this video on a led mobile phone really allows me to see the differences. The differences are minimum, but it there
Thank LG and Samsung for constantly researching new ways to make good TV cheaper. Not everyone have 5000usd to spare on a TV
when Linus wears a cap back-to-front, does that mean he's being "really" serious or just "somewhat" serious? I tried applying a boolean value to the "seriousness" but kept hitting unhandled exceptions in my CapHandler..
any help would be greatly appreciated...
Design this program in Java
You can msg me on Discord for more help
Dark Phoenix#6083
That Hisesense Monochrome LCD layer sounds super interesting! Just use LCD as a backlight for the main one, genius!
I love my 32inch VA panel.. I'm gonna be very sad when it finally gives up. Because occasionally i look around to see what's available and i don't find anything like it.
I think we need a new overall techquickie on monitors and display tech
me watching on my 768p LCD: Ooooo I can see these stuffs, totally!
This video is the reason I bought a QN85A, Yesterday. Linus, your saving lives out here.
I clicked too early. I even saw them setting up.
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@@Odin2244 shut up
@@Odin2244 do better kid.
@@Odin2244 did we ask?
@@Odin2244 Wow so cool!
4:37 Linus never looks before he leaps
bhery bhery true XD
his sound totally changed when the biig stroong heavy laptop falled on him
Good choice using a Roger Deakins masterpiece in this comparison 👌🏼
Funny thing is BR 2049 actually isn’t true HDR. It’s an SDR mastered video formatted into an HDR container.
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@@fellahuman True, although I'm more so talking about his cinematography... Nobody lights a scene like Deakins
@@fellahuman that's not true, Blade Runner 2049 is HDR. HDR does not mean high brightness, there are many other aspects to it, and it depends on artistic choice. They could have mastered it in very high brightness but they chose not to. That doesn't mean it isn't HDR, and Vincents video is very misleading .
@@paradox... Oh yeah for real. Dude’s the best of the best.
I just bought this television 2 days ago, primarily for my PS5, and I love it. I mean,…I really love it. It’s replacing a 46” Panasonic Viera plasma television that has been a real reliable, tough television over the last 12 or so years. This Hisense was a steal at $1000 and 24 months same as cash. I can’t believe how bright this tv is and how beautiful HDR and Dolby Vision content look. And I’ve quit using my Logitech surround sound system since this tv’s sound is plenty capable for its’ location; my basement. If you can’t fathom spending 2 grand for a 65” tv, buy this thing! You will not be disappointed. I come from a PC background so, I love to tinker and this tv does require some trial and error to come to a picture quality that you are happy with. That being said. I would not buy another tv if you paid me to. This tv is by far the best tv for the money, hands down.
Not sure if it's just the way the camera picked it up, but the OLED still looked visibly better
You reckon? I was thinking the other one looked better, it seemed to have slightly more detail
@@HOkayson It was also a much bigger screen, so I'm not sure it's really a perfect comparison.
@@Highlander77 No, oleds usually have less shadow detail because of black crush.
@@Highlander77 I did wonder how much that would affect it, & whether the camera would pick it up slightly differently due to the size. Kinda impossible to tell unfortunately, I'll just have to go look in a shop sometime
Linus rocking the "How do you do, fellow kids?"-look
"Cause he is a Madlad."
Next on Count Dankulas Madlads: David the Cameraguy
I just upgraded to a 55 QNA90 from a 49 MU6300 I can’t wait to be blown again for my series x! Just like how I was when I got the one x for the 49 MU6300
Hisense's stuff is finally coming out?? Freakin finally! I remember being excited about it from your CES 2019 coverage.
Just a fun spec to throw out there regarding light elements on TVs: if you consider per light element dimming, a 1080p plasma display had 2,073,600 pixels, each red, green and blue sub pixel was emissive so it had 6,220,800 dimming zones. OLED panels from LG use stacked pixel elements with red, green, blue and white so it has one light source for each pixel rather than plasma's 3. LCD is not emissive so the comparison doesn't really matter but in a numbers game plasma should have been marketing all those "zones" 😁
I still jealously hold onto my old Panasonic plasma display. 1080P and 600hz refresh (black to black) As the refresh is a full scan/wipe of the screen and not some backlighting tricks, there is zero tearing, artifacts, trails, blurring, or whatever. I still wish they made them. Then again, the best TV I ever saw was a giant 200 inch or so model at a casino. It was a 4K display made up OF LEDs.(think display signs) Your brain does simply not compute the first time you see it as it's like OLED and a Jumbotron had an illicit love child. So there is always "better" for us mere mortals to aspire to :)
I agree with the other comments that a movie that went for a more aggressive grade would've made a better test. I don't think blade runner would challenge any sort of "mid-range" (depending on your definition for mid-range) or above tv
9:44 the rgb fan in the reflection ruined it xD Big OEUFF Linus!!!!
6:27 Warm2/Warm1 is the closest to what the filmmakers intended. You set both TV's closer to Cool / Blue and are ruining the image.
My LG C9 has ifx pro modes that (by all measurements of factory settings) are closer to reference monitors used in the industry for color-grading than any of the warm/normal/cool settings IIRC.
I grew up watching a tiny tv on an antenna. Im just happy to have a clear signal and lots of channels.
I find it ironic that 20 years after crts we try to finally be able to recreate their image quality xd
It's like cars; we got rid of the horses that pulled our buggies, and now we're finally getting to the point where the drawbacks of doing so are being overcome.
In both cases, the benefits of phasing out current tech outweighed the drawbacks, at least in popular opinion, and so we did.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Indeed. CRTs looked great, but man were they huge and heavy (and very dim). 60" TVs just wouldn't be in people's homes if they had to dedicate as much space for it as two laundry machines and a fridge. A 24" Sony Trinitron CRT litteraly weighs a bit under 50kg, that's insane.
Just bought the QN90A with the Q900A sound system, gonna pick it up in the morning!!! Super excited after watching this👍🏼
@Jamie Ibrahim amazing my man👌🏻definitely worth it
"Zoomer Things" Yep can relate.
That’s an “every person w/ a smartphone thing”. So much lost productivity on job sites because of it.
Linus: "We're splitting hairs, but this TV is amazing!!" Me: "I played Stadia on a 1080p TV and didn't even notice it was bad"
The first and only oled display i've owned was the ps vita and while i was blown away by how different it was and could see a lot of advantages in terms of things like battery life a handheld could make use of the technology as a whole never really caught me
Have you not tried any modern flagship phone of the last 4 years?
@@marcusborderlands6177 Honestly no, I really don't use my phone much so I never bother spending that much for one
@@lukemacinnes5124 when your current phone gets worn out, grab a flagship from last year or the year before. i got my oneplus 8 a year after it came out for 240 new in box. Plus oled screens are on a lot more than just flagships, its just that most people dont tend to have midrange phones around where i am, so i didnt mention em (its either 1500 dollar flagships or 50 dollar cheap androids that lead to people thinking androids are crap overall, lol)
@@marcusborderlands6177 I used to use a super cheap one myself, could honestly see myself switching back lmao, i got a razer phone 2 a couple years back, on my second one after getting a replacement and still having issues, cheap phone still works fine
@@lukemacinnes5124 i think thats more the fact that you bought razer lol, havent had a single product from them besides a mouse last longer than a year. Cheap phones lost their allure for me when i found out the new/open box 1-2 year old flagship market was so huge
I watched many videos in order to decide for my tv. This one was by far the best one. Great content, thank you!
"Good Enough" the eternal enemy of "Excellence".
We may be looking at a Betamax vs. VHS situation here.
The tech specs of OLED is a nerd's wet dream... But Mini-LED has become so good the differences are negligible for the average user, and the advantages of QLED may outweigh the advantages of OLED for all but the hardcore audience.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that be more like Laser Disk Vs VHS than?
One has clearly better visual specification but the advantages for the average user out way these better specs?
Actually returned my LG C1 because of ABL (Auto Brightness Limiter) that cannot be turned off. Mostly use my TV with my PC hooked up to it and the moment you switch to a bright website or a bright part in a video/game/movie or tv show comes up it dims down a lot. Until there are OLED models without that I will probably just stick with QLED. ABL really bothered me.
Now they only need to make 40" Mini LED TV with HDMI 2.1 and it will sells like Donuts
I can haz?
They have a 50
Or 32 inch 4k
Make it 4K, 120Hz, low latency, Freesync/G-Sync Compatible and I'm sold.
"david used this 48 CX as a gaming monitor because he's a madlad like that"
me, reading this on my 55 CX gaming monitor:
I've been using an OLED55B7A as my PC display since June 2018.
Over 10,000 hours and zero image retention. The key is to not crank up the brightness (OLED Light) for no reason, and not keep icons on the desktop. I keep mine at 10% which is more than bright enough.
@@bricaaron3978 Yeah, I've been taking basically the same precautions. Hiding my taskbar, no icons, rotating wallpapers. My OLED Light is at 25 rn but it feels quite bright when my lights are off, might go with your suggestion of 10%.
Windows really shits out when rotating the wallpapers if I'm playing something in window mode (e.g. an older game that doesn't support 4k), where my framerate drops (even though I'm on a 10850K + 3080). Not sure how to address that.
@@MaavBR I use a plain 50% white (grey) background, because retention is caused by a _differential_ in pixel brightness -- so my hypothesis is that 50% white ensures that the maximum any pixel differential between windows/etc. and the background can be is 50%. That's also because I prefer a plain color and always used a black background on my CRT, but on an OLED that's a no-no.
Also, the reason I use a brightness of '10' and not '0' is that the OLED55B7A has a ridiculous bug in which the automatic brightness -- which can't be disabled -- actually _increases_ the brightness if it is set below '10'. I'm assuming that later models either allow the automatic brightness function to be disabled (ideal), or have this bug fixed.
P.S. *"Not sure how to address that."* Windows 7 :P
this is really really nicely explained for the average user coming into the market and just bedazzled by the various available options. Thank you so much for the history lesson!!
Me watching this at 480p on my phone
*Ah yes, I see it all*
@@maskettaman1488 I was out, and I don't usually wheel around a generator with my PC And Monitor hooked up to it
9:24 The Army of Dead Pixel is back to haunt me!
That's not a dead pixel. It is reflection of the RGB light from PC opposite.
Can’t wait to see that Hisense review!
I’ve had my 65” QN85a for a while now and returned a 65” Vizio OLED H1 for it and have found the software and performance to be exponentially better than the Vizio
Dude, the bright spots in my oled almost blind me, are these ppl watching their tvs on the surface of the sun?
i have the 55CX and when its dark outside my 'energy saver' mode is set to max as it is the easyest way to dim it in few clicks(in daytime it is set to none), because when there is white content in complete darkness- eyes are burning... So I also dont get the people cry about OLED(cx) brightness.
One thing in CX i would love is matte panel and not glanced - in sunny conditions i need to close all curtains to block the direct sun as it is heavy blooming out the content.... But I still love my decision that i went to LG oled and not samsung qdot :)
@@LooNeYlv I agree about the glossy panel being an issue. It is my only gripe with the TV but you could say the same thing about Plasmas back in the day too.
@@LooNeYlv yeah I got a c9 and a cx and they are definetly a black mirror. There should be a less glossy option. I don't get why tvs are so glossy
I have 65QN92A samsung, still not bright enough. In new homes you have way more windows and sun. It is now doable. Would not buy an oled cause in summer time the sun goes down around 22:00 or even later, good luck with your oled LoL, have fun in the winter!
The only time I'm disappointed with my CX is when it's 75%+ screen coverage white or near-white values, it's actually dimmer than my Acer IPS display as my second monitor in those situations. But when watching content where it matters you very rarely have those situations or notice anything "disappointing" like that.
I just bought the QN85A 55" on Samsung website on sale for $699.99 (after trade-in) not bad at all and I'm just as impressed as Linus. I was really worried when I started watching reviews on this set as everyone seemed to think it was a bad display (it's not) but I've been totally impressed with the black levels PLUS your HDR content gets really really bright when needed. Something OLED just cannot handle. I replaced a 50" Sony OLED and I'm not looking back. The "starfield" test was definitely not as bright with pinpoint lights like my OLED, but then again.... I'm not buying my TV to sit around and watch starfields all day now am I?
You can trade in your tv?
Can’t wait for microLED to eventually become more common.
do you notice black crush on oled? i just got a c1 and shadow details are missing. i tried every setting