@@MT-eb2dx he’s talked about on WAN show that the team makes sensationalist titles and thumbnails but tries their best to make the videos honest and accurate.
I love seeing this kind of stuff in the store because its so easy to tell when its next to something inferior. Then I see the price and remember I am inferior.
@yo yo You could think of a Plasma tv as a OLED but more. To some, it may look better than a OLED. But a plasma costs more, has more weight and has more burn-in. As I said, OLED but more (I know that I could have used better wording, but I needed to use the word more to emphasise the “OLED but more”)
@yo yo I didn't say better than OLEDs, I said better than LCDs. And that's true, because CRTs have true blacks like OLEDs as both use emissive displays (switch off pixels not used). And pretty much all CRTs had excellent full-gamut color range. Yes, they were absolutely better (in colors) than LCDs when LCD's were new, and they're probably still better than most screens today.
which one is the most power efficient and outlast them all? i'm using my 50 inch LED tv since 2013, sure it's not the best of the best, but i think i will use this until it dies or it becomes less bright.
@@grandetaco4416 My thoughts exactly as well. All the ones on the right (The QD) seemed blown out and muddled. Especially the scene with the lake/river (the one after the mountain scene) and cloud reflection on the water. Much more detail in the left image where the right there is almost no detail at all in the reflection. As for the mountain scene, the trees just below the mountain look like a very poor photoshop job instead of looking natural.
Last tv i fixed had the main board shorted to ground for some reason.. I caption taped the shizznits out of it and it worked, 1$ fix of 1000$ tv. Previous one I replaced a blown cap on the PSU..
@Malek: Just be patient and work towards your goals, my friend. Took me to last year to be in the tech-position I wanted to be in in 2012. Back then it was my dream as a student to get a Plasma TV and a new Piano. Last year I got my C9 OLED and new Piano. Patience. You'll get there. I promise.
@@JK-gm6kk they do, just years and years later. so if you are patient enough, one day you will have this WOLED tv. most people aren't patient though, and will likely make their purchase on something like this when they have enough money and then complain that they suddenly can't pay their rent or for food or whatever lol.
Samsung “retail demo” mode is always like this though. They make sure RBG is popping with maximum brightness. We need to see some color calibrations then a side by side comparison.
Yeah but that also goes to LG / Sony they use a lot of the "smooth" animation thing in retail demo mode and all the stuff. Only Panasonic and Philips doesnt touch a lot of things in their retail mode
I used to work on OLEDS on the chemical side. I'm truly curious how this tech will impact pricing as the biggest bonus I see is panel yield. The problem with RGB OLEDs is that the materials (specifically the emissive) layer from any one color can kill the others, so if your red and green printing passes went great but your blue print pass was a bit off you will end up with a bunch of dead pixels or sections. As this panel is only printing blue on the OLED layer, sealing it, and then using quantum dots outside the conductive space, the accuracy of the print does not need to be as tight and the printing tech itself can be massively simplified which in theory could conservatively put the yield of these panels >85%. This yield issue was huge in the industry with one large manufacturer struggling to hit 25% yield on finished panels around the 55" size on a good day. So if their yields are increasing the way I think they are that is a whole lot less dead panels that have to be rolled into the cost of one good panel. Note: A bit of what I have stated above is over-simplified, some printing technologies use multiple passes for the emissive layers where as ink-jet can do it in one shot. None of these are easy as the droplet size is stupidly small and impacted greatly by static charge, and trying to maintain an even charge across a large panel is mind bendingly hard as you are doing it in a purged and dry environment because O2 and moisture kills these compounds fast. Then comes drying all this printed mess, if your pressure and temp controls are not absolutely tight you can still get enough splatter from one pixel well over to the next to ruin a panel.
Are there actually any TV-sized true RGB OLED screens? LG uses white pxels and color filters on their TVs, is there anyone else making thier own panels?
The whole "too dim in sunlight" issue with OLED never mattered to me, because if I'm watching TV in the middle of the day with the curtains open, I should probably re-examine my life choices.
Yup, we need new all the new TVs so we can afford all the current top of the line TVs. Competition and innovation is always good for the consumer. I don’t really care about any 8K TV. Just want a solid OLED TV
Also, I don't trust Samsung with color calibration, their panels are way too saturated. I'm watching this video trough an OLED and the "normal" side of the screen looked way better more natural. Especially in the first picture, the one with the poppy field. The Samsung side was so saturated that it lost all the definition in the upper portion of the screen, you could no longer make out the individual flowers. I know that in person it will look different, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
@@Willy-tt6ez that's not capitalism, that's how any market works, no matter if capitalist or not. Capitalism is when few people have a lot of money (the capital) at their disposal, and with that capital they can run a business with no democratic oversight, they can completely disregard what their workers have to say about how to run the very own enterprise where they work. If politics worked like that you would call a society set up in this way a dictatorship.
@@stephenpatterson8056 tbh I'm not the kind of person that cares that much about the "improvement" they do on displays, I'm unable to differenciate between close color ranges without sticking my eye to it so don't really care about color "accuracy". I still use old CRT TV for some stuff, is way cheaper an have all funtionality I need, until they improve the price of newer TVs I'm not upgrading
@@stephenpatterson8056 OLED is the only real upgrade for TVs in decades. But it is stupidly expensive and costs 1000$+ which will never make it mainstream. Making it even more expensive just hurts it more. That is why I'm against OLED Tech improvements, it's making it more expensive not the other way.
I remember when SSD's cost a fortune and all you had was a old HD. Now we have affordable nvme m.2 drives that can do literally 40x what a good HD did 10 years ago.
As someone who has worked in a TV store before I'm a little disappointed when you showed the side by side WOLED vs QDOLED and didn't show or mention the picture settings.. like others have mentioned, the dramatic differences can be pretty easily simulated with currently available TV's with just a "vivid" or "dynamic" setting change. The technology looks really cool and looks like it really should be an improvement but I always like to make sure its apples to apples when comparing TVs.
Not entirely the case here.. your settings don’t really matter when each display has its limitations and peaking those limitations is where the current OLEDs can’t complete next to the QD sets. Have you ever tried comparing the original Samsung S9 OLED back from 2012/2013 to any of the 2021 OLEDs ! Those still show better and brighter colours than anything on the consumer market today. Even without HDR or 4K ! So all the side by side comparisons r actually exactly what you should expect from the newer Samsung sets.. As LG panels simply can’t do certain things.. which has always been an inherent weakness of their approach to OLEDs. Samsung always had a more superior approach and you still can’t beat their first OLED back from 2013 to anything in the market. The side by side comparisons actually look very similar to what you’d see between the Samsung S9 form 2013 vs a LG G1. The S9 didn’t have any ABL.. The S9 was extremely vibrant.. greyscale was near perfect. But was poorly received by consumers because it was marginally expensive to the LGs at the time.
Would be interesting to see a video on the topic of eye strain, HDR, and brightness and how these technologies have changed the guidelines compared to something like the old LCD or cathode ray TVs.
I remember taking a class in visual density, back in the film days, it was titled " how white is white" . It did venture into apparent white and balanced white ( scientifically) measured. It was in conjunction with a class in color reproduction. Color is so very subjective and is influenced by environment. I have done color correction for so many years that tinted glasses don't work for me when they have a color bias.
for anyone making jokes like "this looks great on my non-hdr lcd", you can absolutely tell the quality of displays by watching filmed footage on your display. Cameras are very picky, they make things like backlight bleed and bad contrast look AWFUL when filmed, and these artifacts are completely viewable on consumer grade LCD's. this especially works well for side by side comparisons, at 3:21 it's very obvious the LG's reds aren't as red. Yeah, you're not getting HDR red on the monitor you're looking at in your room, but you can still see the difference between the two TV's in the video. at 3:48 it's extremely obvious the ambers on the left are duller.
Those tvs are a bit of a hit or miss, the QN900A from Samsung gets pretty hot with just generic use, to the point my relatively small living room gets quite warm after an hour or so, never thought I'd be removing a night robe because of my tv but the A90j could be even worse¿ Who knows at this point technology demands are so extreme only extreme solutions and extreme price tags are viable
@@fewik8567 What are you talking about? The QN900A isn't an OLED. The Sony A90J is, meaning it would turn off some of the pixels for when they are displaying black, so less heat. The A90J is considered by many to be the best OLED TV for picture quality
For a sponsored video this felt natural and not forced one bit, and it's so great that you make it SO clear it's sponsored. Great to see the detail of the tech and the reasoning behind it 👍
title: "Samsung just made everything else OBSOLETE" description: "Thanks to Samsung for sponsoring today's video!" I don't know about what level of objetivity I can expect here.
this is the first time i've felt skeptical watching a LTT video. knowing that this is sponsored by samsung, and hearing the sales pitches about how good these TVs are, and the straight up attacks on LG's panels and their quality... I'm just not sure if i trust this. I hope i'm not alone.
@@RDR911 He has always done this. He and Jay will review whatever product as long as a company throws money at them. Can't fault them for it, I guess. Some of the only honest channels are probably hardwareunboxed and gamersnexus these days.
They've produced lots of sponsored videos over the years and I trust him. He made it very clear that sponsors pay him to talk about their key points. They can't pay him to talk positively about a product he doesn't like. And I've rarely seen this level of enthusiasm out of Linus. This is 100% genuine excitement. He's also made it very clear that this was a Samsung curated experience and should be taken with a grain of salt until independent reviews are coming.
@@FFVIII yeah. A while ago he was praising a Vizio soundbar, and Vizio soundbars are notorious for being built cheap and having tons of issues. I stopped trusting his reviews after that.
It amazes me how every new TV/Monitor innovation is advertised as "It looks so life like" like I really know what it looks like in real life or that my TV that "Looked life like" didn't really look life like like this new TV does.
When will peaple learn that 10bit hdr is not realistic 12bit will be the final because thats what photograghers use to shoot there photos they can also us
This has me very excited. However, as enthusiastic as I am about accurate colors, there's no way I'm in for one until HDTest confirms its accuracy and early adopters get all the random acts of disappointment out of the way.
I too will wait for them, that being said the fact that Sony, which has won the best TV award for 2021 from them has decided to utilize this technology means that tech holds a real promise.
This video is a lot of BS - it takes no account how perception or colour theory works - I don't use vivid mode - You never see these pure emitted colours day to day - the biggest emitter our star throws incidental light everywhere, colours shading other colours etc . Linus is full of crap - it's only redder in comparison - look around you probably the brightest colours your LCD screen - colours naturally desaturate in full direct sun light . We want accurate - great for games like raymond legends or cartoons - but unless watching pure lasers on a black screen in a dark room . Brightness is already good - highly over-rated for most .saying that this is good tech - Linus I can see the difference in std scene straightaway - only would be case if "hyper" real bullshit look . - he's full of crap- I used to shoot Velvia fuji film - looked great - super saturated - but was it real?- now if he said the speakers make drum sets sound real - few it any speakers can do that- that's why you know some one is practicing straightaway as you walk down the road and you hear it
I don’t really have a gauge on how much it’s advanced honestly. All of my displays are pretty old (5 years+). Waiting a couple years to finally upgrade so I I’ll be in for a treat I guess
On the monitor side we've been stuck for a while, with the exception of expensive miniLED which have blooming and slow response times. I hope this QD is the end and we finally get everything at once... I guess except price, but for this I'm willing to pay, just don't tell Samsung.
yes and no. beside OLED, nothing much happened. especially for monitors. the last decade was boring a.f. this is the first real innovation for a long time.
Looks very promising. At the same time I’m skeptical about the claims about durability. My guess is that using only blue LEDs will progressively eat at your initial brightness. It’s smart though, since most people won’t really notice their screens losing brightness over time.
I have a 10 years old plasma and to me i didn't notice any lost in brightness, but in reality it should be a lot diimer it's just that i don't notice it XD
One of the problems with current OLED displays is that there's a difference in how quickly each colour OLED will wear out. At least with this one, since they're all blue OLEDs, the wear will be more consistent.
Not gonna lie this is hdr oled sucks for hdr anyway for rec709 if you put these display in rec709 they will look the same even if one is very bright but who cares I dont care for brightnes since I play in a very dark room
8:51 I'm really curious for the performance during motion. During this shot I can see that the UFO has no visible trace. With 175 Hz one can assume that the picture would look good even without BFI. But there are still some games which are locked at 60 Hz. I hope that the monitor will have some BFI feature for this to allow motion clarity on those games as well.
I realize its your camera settings you recorded in, but the qd-oled looks like it constantly blows/crushes out color losing tons of detail and looking way too saturated
I would like to know the calibration settings of the lg TV in contrast to the Samsung. It's cool that Samsung finally jumped on the oled train to the future but I am entirely too skeptical on this comparison.
Yep you can't trust a comparison like that at all. Samsung most likely set the LG TV's color temperature way too high (because it looks extremely blue in many shots) and lowered the saturation to make the colors pop on their own TV. Also almost the entire video sounds like Samsung just handed Linus a script to read, or at least a big list of stuff he needs to talk about. This is why I don't like sponsored videos. You can't trust anything that's being said or shown.
Samsung has been on the OLED train. They are largest manufacturer of OLED screen for mobile devices. Yet curiously enough, they aren't using this "revolutionary" new technology for their existing OLED screens. Seems kinda strange if you ask me.
@@nerdstrangler4804 That does seem suspicious but thats probably because it is just recently developed and not yet brought into small factor. And yes, I was aware that they are in the mobile screen Oled game but I was referring to the big screens.
@@Kepe My sentiments as well. I did utilise the dislike button on this video to express my distain and I hope more people do. That is how he will know that content like this hurts his credibility in the future. As someone else mentioned on a reply, my C1 2021 model is incredible. This reminds me of when Acura put their new TLX type S next to an Audi S4 in their unveiling on a quarter mile drag race. The TLX was faster than the S4 on that short of a drag, but when reviewers did a 1 mile drag race, it was revealed that the S4 was actually significantly faster than the TLX.
Since it takes less to power the leds, does the TPD of the TV go down appreciably? Not the most important stat on a TV/monitor, but less energy usage is always nice as an add-on.
That's a valid concern, especially considering how power much 8K TVs consume. With energy prices always on the rise, this stat is becoming more and more important.
@@leonro I thought of it later, but when these displays make their ways to mobile devices they MIGHT extend battery life. the display's always been the biggest energy hog on my phones.
@@TGAPOO I doubt we'll see this in mobile devices soon, considering that both LG's and Samsung's TV OLED panels haven't been made small enough for laptops or phones. The OLED screens that are used on phones and laptops all come from Samsung and are made differently. Of course, it'd be nice to be wrong, as that's just my expectation.
@@TGAPOO that's true, but it also has to do with what resolution your screen is using, all these 4k and 8k screens are unnecessary for a 5X3 inch screen size, i will stick with my 720p resolution phone any day, another thing that sucks with newer phones is the built in battery you can't replace unless you are an expert and know what your doing. the newer phones aren't meant to last that long anyway which is why so many people need to replace their phone with a new one within 2 years of getting it, it's sad to see so many people drop a grand on a device that will only last them a few years at best. but that's our current culture, always wasting money on shit they don't need or can really afford.
@@5226-p1e Bit rant-y there my dude. I agree with you mostly, but I've got bad eyes and use whatever I can get for free with the plan I want to use, and use it til it dies. I still want my phone to go longer between charges. Though I'd certainly love an easily replaceable battery.
I trust Linus’ integrity to not deliberately mislead us, but I’ll reserve judgement for once these products are on the market and we get multiple independent reviews. If these displays suck, it would permanently damage Samsung’s relation with LMG and it would be a significant problem for them in the future. I am expecting these prototypes to be better than anything currently on the consumer market as Linus said, but that isn’t surprising. If anything, the competition is ALWAYS good for us consumers, because it would force LG to adapt and improve, even if these are just marginally better.
all I can tell you is that this "review" seems reaaaaally biased to me. He made it very clear it was sponsored by Samsung (and I can't even imagine how much they paid him to make an ad like that) and he usually is very picky and always presents things he didn't like or didn't go very well with the stuff he normally reviews. This time it really felt just like advertising, only saying how cool and awesome this new display is.
@@valberm he did say it has its flaws, and Samsung wouldn't answer some of their questions. My understanding is that they usually have to use some of the marketing terms phrases & buzzwords provided by the manufacturer, but they're still allowed to make their own opinion. And yes this video is sponsored, but I don't believe all the early impressiond by other sites & journalists are.
linus has endorsed previous Samsung products like the G9 and Neo G9 but barely even talked about the huge problems those panels have. So yeah even reputable tech youtubers are supposed to be taken with a grain of salt nowadays
My problem is Samsung's decision to force ads on their paying customers. You put down thousands of dollars for a TV, and still get ads in the TV menu. Insanity.
Samsung sell this panels to other companies too. Sony's new flagship TVs announced today also use the same QD OLED panels made by Samsung but with their own processors, software and exclusive features
Interestingly, Sony just announced their new range of TVs using Samsung's QD-OLED panels. I'd definitely want to see how Sony is implementing their BRAVIA tech onto these panels.
Bravia is more of a brand than any specific technology. Their current displays use OLED panels produced by LG and are notorious for being the same picture quality as LG but with a considerable mark up for the brand recognition of Sony. It’s a shame really because Sony was responsible for producing the first ever LED backlit panel and OLED panel. I imagine they must have massively cut their R&D budget since almost all major innovations in display technology have come from LG and Samsung in the last 10 years. The next cycle seems to be the same with Sony’s decision to purchase QD OLED panels designed and manufactured by Samsung.
@@circuitwarden What are you talking about? Sony has by far the best image processing pipeline and despite featuring same panel, their final products tend to be more color accurate than LG's. Image processing is a very BIG part of modern displays.
Displays with this color gamut have been around for almost a decade. The Vizio Reference Series was introduced to the public back at Vizio's CES in 2014. The models in that series were R65-B2 and R120-B2. The display featured 90% of the Rec.2020 or BT.2020 color gamut and Dolby Vision HDR. Now I know no one who isnt a multi-millionare would buy this thing but the technology that is just as capable has been around. It is great that they are finding these new ways but are they going to be better than what we already have? I am not sure.
This video feels INCREDIBLY “sponsored by Samsung”, which was clearly stated to your credit. Even so, I found a lot of the statements made to be very dubious given my experience with Samsungs. I’m expecting these OLEDs to be brighter (good) and with the immense oversaturation that Samsung is known for (eh). I’d love to be proven wrong, but I guess only time will tell.
setting anecdotes aside, it really depends product to product - Samsung has their share of poop releases but some pc monitors and a tv I'd gotten over past decades have performed & held up well - I'm excited for QD-OLED in general regardless of brand
I have no doubt the new Samsung TVs look amazing but he made it seem like the current popular OLEDs like the LG C1 look like shit. I have a C1 and it looks mindblowing especially with Dolby Vision/HDR content. What I also like about the C1 is that I don't have any eye strain from it. The picture can be pretty bright with HDR in a pitch black room and I could watch all night and my eyes would be fine. I wonder how that is with the new Samsung TVs. Having a very bright picture might look impressive at first but if you watch it for hours your eyes might start to hurt.
@@scarface11991 this is not about how bad or good your old tv is clam down a,d enjoy your Dolby whatever the video is about a new tech and sometimes new tech is better and you have to accepte that.
@@hamzacrouzou6325 like I said I have no doubt the new Samsung TVs look better and more impressive but he made it seem that everything else looks bad when in reality it's not even close to looking bad.
@@scarface11991 Linus comes back to earth in the conclusion section, the first sections made me cringe. But it's sponsored content so he has to make his Samsung corporate overlords happy on this video.
@@user-hh5pj5jv8p Eh. Most of us have enough trust in Linus and the team to not lie to us. Sure, you have to take this with a pinch of salt, but that goes for everything and at least they make it clear here.
@@banaana1234 here's the issue tho, you guys don't know Linus personally. All UA-camrs put a persona and to think you know them based on watching their videos is naive. You guys don't know if he'd truly do that.
@@user-hh5pj5jv8p We don't, but I've watched these videos long enough to reasonably believe that he and the team didn't make an exception from the usual form of trustworthiness. Ill gladly accept that that they are trying to trick us if that gets proven, and if they got proven to be shady even once, I'd put a lot less trust in them. But, LMG has pretty much always been open and honest, and all the claims in the video seem plausible so I don't really have a reason to not believe them.
This looks really really good. A shame it’ll be super expensive (relatively, for me). If only the monitors were less expensive (which I still don’t understand why they’re so damm expensive).
LG's 42" OLED will likely be around $1K USD. Less in a year or two when they clear inventory for new models. Cut back on other expenses, save up, sell your old monitor and that's very obtainable.
Two simple reasons. R&D costs and the fact this is a new TV & Monitor they have designed. That means parts are expensive and that cost is passed on to us. In a few years, the price will come down as parts become cheaper and they improve on the building process.
We know samsung flew out linus and the crew because samsung knew he wouldn't have a chance in dropping it. In all seriousness I hope this tech will make it to their mobile line, it would be a big marketing move for range topper galaxy devices
Nah Samsung Display sells to all kinds of manufacturers. More money to be made selling your display technology to competitors, effectively getting a % of their revenue.
To me it seems to be more a damage control move, since Sony just today has announced this very same panel and it seems that it will be available before than the Samsung one.
Note that Samsung Display isn't directly the part of Samsung that makes the phones. Clearly, they could put them in their own devices first, but Samsung generally is more of an OEM than a direct company.
When properly calibrated I doubt you'll see much difference in the color unless you hike up the brightness. For reliable comparison, hdtvtest is the only credible source.
The image of the moose in at 3:53 looks much more correct on WOLED. At some of these comparisons the image in QD OLED looks like over saturated mess. But I assume it's just calibration issue rather than problem with the technology.
It could also be the camera that blows one of the two out since it can't focus on both at the same time. But I definitely thought the same thing when I saw the moose image. HDTVTest (another UA-cam channel covering this tech) did mention that the Samsung demo units were oversaturated. Saturation usually makes things "look" better to regular consumers, so that must be why. It didn't do the moose any favors though.
To be fair, you're inevitably watching it through a screen with worse colour representation. It's like those marketing bits that try to show the difference between refresh rates on a still image, you can't compare it without equal or better hardware.
The brightness has been compressed to something that can be displayed in this UA-cam video. It's not the same as the dynamic range your eyes would be seeing it in person. But you can clearly tell the color representation is much truer in this new display.
@@petrolhead0387 no it fucking isn't, this is just some random samsung sponsored video with insane saturation, it looks fucking purple can't even see the individual roses in the right display, samsung shit as always
@@drunkhusband6257 spoken like someone who has never owned a oled. I’ve put over 6000 hours in my lg cx oled with 0 issues and have never babied it once. I use it for gaming and watching movies
It should be ever cheaper one day as it's basically simplified OLED (emits just one color) mixed with Quantum dots Samsung already sells even in cheap TVs. But now it's a new tech.
I have always been interested in Samsungs QD-OLED technology since they first started researching into it. However, as I do a deeper dive into some of the more elusive questions (i.e How do the layers of the pixel direct the blue light within itself to the correct QD printed color? Quantum Confinement. What is quantum confinement? The spatial confinement of electron-hole pairs (excitons) in one or more dimensions within a material...), I really start to marvel at the complexity of a television that will be obsolete in relatively a blink of the eye.
Yeah, when Linus mentioned "quantum dots" I felt a little dizzy. That kind of thing was a theory when I was in university, and now they're in consumer electronics.
Quantum dots take the place of the colour filters that exist in WOLEDs. Each pixel in the QD-OLED would have 3 sub-pixels of Red (QD-Red), Green (QD-green), and Blue (no QD, just pass through). So imagine printing a giant array of dots on a clear substrate that would be Red, Green, Blank. QD is really just a colour filter (sort of)
I remember being impressed when I read that CRT worked by bending a ray of electrons. A signal controlled by "electromagnets" and precisely scanning the screen. Then CLUSTERING THREE of those electron rays and aiming with even more precision to a screen mask with three color filters, so small that I couldn't differentiate each component at 1 meter distance. That might be the thing that made me fell in love with electronics. It's magic, black magic... quantum magic.
From what I hear from the video, the OLED part is entirely emitting blue light, right? RGB conversion is done entirely by QD technology. Since there isn't any RGB from the OLED layer, there shouldn't be burn in issue other than the overall brightness, right?
@@Alfakennyone No, just look at the spec. DP is better than HDMI in every way. Most TV manufacturers are members of the HDMI forum and get royalties from it being used everywhere. DisplayPort is royalty-free.
So what we watched was Linus telling us about his perspective after testing. I'll bet they tested the LG too. They're too big to be bought and you can see that in this vid. He can afford this tech and has a massive following of trusting individuals so this was smart advertising by Samsung.
You are correct, if you comparing something best samsung has to offer to any other, it should be obvious other side should be chosen in same range as well with similar configuration, comparison was one sided.
I dont like hdr it looks wrong anyway needs calibration and wait for a proper tv that can do over 10000nits for true hdr and none of the tone mapping you dont need it for displays that can go beyond 4000nits hdr right now is very complicated I wont use it it looks very unatural too me and my darkroom setting looks natural but hey not everyone wants a realistic colour display I may buy the 42inch oled and calibrate rec709 and enjoy it darkroom last for over 10 years at 100nits brightnes I just want a display that will look great for 10 years calibrated Sure ile love a true rgb tv but with oled it looks better in darkroom anyway I hate reflections3
well to be honest, this QD OLED looks more like over saturating everything. and that is in a bad way. maybe it's because of the youtube video compression
one question. how was the LG calibrated? also this technologi sounds insane. I think Linus explained it the best way possible and I get it but you gotta be an epic nerd to appreciate this :) I want an (two) 144hz (or whatever hz) 27" with this QD-OLED and not curved. keep up the good work Linus!
You can be damn sure it wasn’t calibrated along to the same standard as their own. The fact that you can see an obvious difference in colours on camera says enough. Even though it might be true that the samsung has better coverage of the bt2020 standard, the difference is never that big, an average consumer would find it incredibly difficult to spot the difference in colour accuracy between these panels when they are both calibrated to the same scrutiny
I should add, reviews are still mega appreciated. Since I only need to try 1-3 TVs/monitors instead. A guided search is better than with no information.
@@QuantumConundrum Absolutely. I bought the Sony A80J thinking that it would be the TV for me. Then when it reached my living room I was unimpressed with the picture quality. So I returned it for an LG C1 (which was cheaper) and haven't looked back since.
Finally! I'm glad the producers started pushing forward again, after getting stuck on the HDR feature for the last 3-4 years. They will be very expensive, but these are basically the last monitor I would ever need. OLED, high refresh rate + GSync, and a reasonable size.
Thanks for breaking down concepts like colour space and pixel layout so effectively! Its not easy to walk the line between being too technical/too dumbed down.
The image quality on my LG C1 already blows me away, I find it hard to believe that QD-OLED will be better but I'm certain it is. I'm looking forward to seeing it in person at Best Buy.
@@LukjoJak Makes, they still make the best TVs. Samsung have always had decent colours. I can tell even from this video that this latest TV is oversaturated like all Samsungs seem to be. When you bring the colour down you see that LG is able to have colour and clarity, whereas Samsung means one or the other.
Sounds like interesting tech for sure. I'll still wait for objective reviews once it launches, though. Always good to see new technology introduced so that we can look forward to it once it's refined enough for prices to drop.
@@cablefeed3738 Of course not. But this *is* a sponsored video, so there are things he's not allowed to say. I do not doubt that what is said in this video is true, but by nature of being sponsored content, he cannot point out flaws in the product.
@@cablefeed3738 Given his less-than-objective coverage of anything noctua-related, I'm inclined to disagree. I doubt he's lying about anything in this video, but a company wouldn't sponsor a video if it didn't suit their interests.
It looks amazing. But can someone explain why the colors look so different? Aren't the current high end TV's meant to be very color accurate to the source material when calibrated? If so why do so many of these side by side shots look like the new TV is so much warmer? Doesn't that make one of the TV's not accurate to the source? Like that shot with the moose. One was gray and one was basically brown. EDIT: Ok watched more and Linus explains why these TV's have a much large gamut. I just always though calibration helped keep general color consistent.
Calibration and color gamut are two separate issues. A perfectly calibrated monitor with a small color gamut will have perfectly accurate colors when, and only when, it's displaying colors within its gamut range.
With how much colour grading goes on in media, I doubt you'd ever get a common look among TVs. It seems to come down to the media they use when calibrating and what experience the designers want for customers
I will wait for reviews from folks who were not flown out to see the tech or otherwise compensated. It's not that I don't trust Linus, it's that it is CES week and the PR/spin machines are going full tilt.
It's always a good idea to wait for independent reviews and get your info from multiple sources no matter what device you plan on buying. I just think your comment on "other people who weren't flown out" is a bit irrelevant here. This is NOT a review of any product. It's a showcase paid for by samsung themselves and it's meant to explain the way the tech works and tell us why we should be excited for it. I'm sure Linus will also make an independent review once an actual consumer ready product is released and it will not be affected by him being flown out in any way.
@@petar1401 > I'm sure Linus will also make an independent review once an actual consumer ready product is released **and it will not be affected by him being flown out in any way.** hahahahaha
That TV definitely looks amazing but I know for me, I won't be buying it anytime soon. Early adopter tax will be real on that thing and I just don't have that kind of money to shovel out for a TV. I'm very happy to see the innovation tho.
This and often early adopters are also guinea pigs and I don't want that considering I would've paid premium. So yeah... Gonna stick to my C1 OLED in my living room and regular IPS for PC stuff.
I with you. I'm quite happy being 3-4 years behind on entertainment items. Not just TVs, but processors, monitors, and gpus, which usually saves me 50-80% of the cost of buying state of the art.
This is exactly the tech I want. I noticed with my 34” wide LG’s for gaming they’re a bit dim especially in night scenes. I’ll be definitely excited to see what gaming versions they will release in the sizes I want.
I feel like the screen that didn't use the new tech looked consistently much better than the new one but that could be down to the fact that I'm watching a recording on a third screen. The colours on the new screen just looked like they were bleeding into each other and weren't as distinct
yeah why would the price be the same when it cost more to make? not defending these corporation's but its dumb to pretend like the newest technology is affordable
Hi Linus, That comparison to LG looked like just different white balance thing, should have calibrated both displays to the same white point and gamma before doing that :)
Yea, maybe this is why I actually was not liking the QD-OLED. Samsung set the displays up and probably did not allow anyone to mess with the settings. Funny that it actually made Samsung look worse when their intent was to skew the results in their favor.
Cool to see innovation and competition in the space. Felt like LG was stagnating and this will drive them to improve and come up with new, cool stuff of their own.
Well i mean LG also announced "OLED EX" for CES 2022, which also deals with the brightness, who knows for color comparison. A comparison between the Samsung QD-OLED and LG's OLED EX would be interesting otherwise this is just a fluff piece.
Lol they introduced an EVO panel last year and were able to bring it the C-series this year, you're getting hype about some tech that coulda been built years ago but wasn't because Samsung threw out OLED til this year and called it "new"
I love the fact that both screens - the ancient LCD and the super duper fancy QD OLED - are displayed on my TV and I can totally see the difference. Which probably means I can keep using my current TV just fine.
@@RayzaNC from a large part it was a joke indeed. On the other hand, people, myself included, tend to forget that the marvelous image they see in new TV ads is displayed right there on their old TVs. So for a second there I too was admiring how much better the image looks on the QD OLED and forgot it was displayed on my obsolete 2yo OLED. I am sure that seeing the new TV live must be impressive and I am looking forward to it. I may even buy a QD OLED TV next year, who knows. But right now it was partly a joke and partly a tiny bit of reminder that the grass is always greener on the other side.
@@MikeBZarlof Sony will be using this panel on the A95K 55" and 65" with a heatsink. Wonder why they didnt use a A90J to compare it, LG isnt the best for picture processing. Would love to see how much better it look to current flagship right now which is the A90J.
I want Samsung to do a QD-OLED with 240hz with BFI for that motion clarity on par with a CRT. Seeing this video makes me want one of these, dammnit Linus!
@@Clobercow1 I had a Philips CRT monitor capable of 200hz at 800x600. It's max resolution was fhd+ at 75hz however. But choosing the max res meant I couldn't game on it. Bare in mind this was 20 years ago so... I just don't remember the model.. Philips pq271w or something like that. I remember the 27 and the "w" but I can't for the life of the remember it correctly.
It is so exciting to see this tech finally being applied. I worked on quantum dot down-conversion tech a few years ago. When I left the project they were still working on green emitters (red was already figured out). I would guess that will be coming relatively soon
@@chaomatic5328 Actually quantum physics! Quantum dots flouresce (absorb and reemit light at a different wavelength) under UV (blue here) light. The quantum dots are about on the same length scale as the wavelengths of visible light, so they act like tiny electron resonator cavities and strongly prefer to emit certain wavelenghts (colors). They can create insanely brilliant colors assuming you can manufacture them with uniform size.
I have a question here: What were all those delta E measurements for? Were they color accurate with less then 2 delta E or not? Or are we talking here about HDR performance and color space coverage?? Question is important, because if we do not have content to display extremely brigt or color intense objects on the screen - how could you tell the new Samsung OLED was better? Something tells me it was just oversaturatng some colors but not accurate. As for me - i want to see as much accurate colo reproduction as possible, as it was designed by the creator, not as some fancy AI wants. Thanks for saying it is a paid promotion btw. We can consume this content without hating you for talking bullshit.
I think this is a Samsung display demo and given that at least Alienware is mentioned, multiple brands will be involved in turning the panels into products. Given the raw panel can do up to 90% of rec 2020, and 1000+ nit, if the vendors so choose, there should be SDR and DCI-P3 HDR calibred models available. But those will be much , much more expensive than the best buy floor TVs.
The potential issues go far wider than that - and Linus doesnt know any of them. Most HDR content today is mastered within DCI-P3, not the much larger bt2020. So you simply wont have content for a while, and the HDR standard uses bt2020 wrapping, meaning at one point you might have a swap over and trow out your old HDR content without the "standard" necessarily changing. (So the same thing where HDMI 2.0 is called 2.1... just on a different aspect (video containers)) So all the more saturated colors Linus saw - if they werent highlight details (very bright colors), they certainly arent in the most common HDR mastering standard yet. Or simply put, they shouldnt exist in the content. Its different with high brightness colors within DCI-P3 those run out of brightnes on WOLEDs, and get prepped up by the white subpixel. The issue in the video LTT posted is not that the content is "very bright", its that base colors (grass, gravel, ..) seem much brighter than on the LG OLED, even when Linus talked about feeding both 1000 nits content. That color difference there is inexplainable by anything other than Samsung running a brighter EOTF (gamma curve) intentionally going off standard. Because those colors should be displayed at 200nits to 400nits (closer to 200 nits) MAXIMUM, even while 1500 (or 1000) nits highlights were on screen. :) Also narrow cones on primary colors lead to increased color metamerism failure, this is where color science breakes, because human eyes' color matching function differs enough between individuals, that people dont agree on colors anymore. Which is an issue with quatum dots since Sony LCD days. But thats the most 'esoteric' out of the three, where color scientists would argue over how strongly it would affect populations. The other two issues are very real, and Linus hadnt any answers for them. He bought Samsung PR hookline and sinker. Everything was better color, because brighter - even though up to 300 nits LG should have color reproduction parity. So about that 1000nits neon grass next to the elch... That no HDR master would have if its was above DCI-P3 saturation.... And how about rewatching Lord of the rings in Vivid mode (because they werent mastered to bt2020, even if they used the bt2020 container... :) ).
From what linus is saying, there's two parts; one is just the brightness of the display compared to conventional ones, two is the relatively pure spectrum of its rgb components compared to rivals making it able to express pure colors more accurately.
I have a feeling while being technically objectively better, this might suffer the same problem as previous large leaps in TV tech in that most people just think cooler, bluer displays look better, even if it's not accurate. I have to say that in the side-by-side shots, I preferred the "normal" OLED because the QDOLED look OVER saturated and kinda.. fake. And yes, I realize I'm comparing on my own display, but it seems like that would only make it more severe in person.
The lack of color standards (or the use of them) makes these next gen screens useless. Their function is basically an oversaturation slider, because lots of content is still made for sRGB from the CRT days. Though nowadays you'll find some games looking pretty washed out compared in sRGB which means that they are aiming for some undefined larger color space.
Thats just not the case as wOled had inherent color bias through the subpixel disposition.. QDots allow to exactly tune light wavelenght to reference colors with maximum efficiency.
The camera actually can’t capture the full brightness, so it makes it look over saturated compared to a dimmer screen. The video has a disclaimer saying it looks a million times better in person.
As long as display is technically capable, you can always tweak its color profile to your liking. And since QD-OLED features true RGB pattern, it will be much easier to tune than OLED
I just watched the video on a CX and honestly I agree. Sometimes the samsung looks better but mostly just oversaturated. Plus still no dolby vision on samsungs.
3:53 that moose pic looks awful on the QD OLED... LG looks just like i was there in person while Samsungs is like your phones "vibrant 200% extra colour" setting.
It’s weird that Samsung themselves didn’t announce any OLED TVs yet, but Sony is already using Samsung’s QD-OLED panels in their newly-announced TVs. I guess that shows the difference between Samsung Displays & Samsung the TV manufacturer.
Me looking at my 10 year old LG 42" 1080p IPS TV... - "You'll last another 10 years, right?" ;) Honestly, no matter how good new displays are, the fact that we don't have color bleed-, flickering and/or distortion anymore really removes my desire to stay on top. Sure I wish I had VRR on my old LG since the panel itself is capable of 120Hz. But the image is still good, even though it only covers most of the RGB space.
@@Roshan_420 My LG has a really early version of smart TV, however during that time it was still an "extra service" it's a separate button and it has nothing to do with normal inputs/navigation/settings etc. I really enjoy simple TV's without smart services (or ad services so to speak) since they don't grow obsolete over time. I use the first Shield TV connected to mine. I have even forgotten that my TV has obsolete "smart functions" nowadays hahaha.
If you upgrade to an excellent 4K TV you'll be wondering why you didn't do it before. Store demos don't really do it justice. OLED offers the best quality, but if you're a hardcore user than the best LEDs really aren't far behind, they get far brighter and don't have any of the risks. Anyhow, your old stuff is only good enough because you don't know any better.
That's sure sound optimistic, I wonder if burn-in will even be an issue with this type of panel (since burn-in occurs when an individual colour organic LED pixel burn out and faded, since only has blue and rely on Quntum Dot filter to create other colours, they might just never have a burn-in image but just become faded over time instead)
I'll start by saying that on the OLED i've had for a year, using as a desktop monitor, I'm not seeing any burn in yet, so I think it very likely any new processes samsung has to reduce burn in will make it less likely to be an issue, but - The only blue oled material and using quantum dot bit doesn't itself change anything. Burn in mainly becomes visible when subpixels are overused compared to the use of their overall pixel. Even with QD and "only" blue oled subpixels making up the pixel's lighting, each underlying sub-pixel is still mapped to an individual set of red and green QD elements (and just allowed to shine through for blue). So when the ESPN or CNN red logo is on the screen, only those blue light emitting, but red mapped subpixels are engaged, the remaining green and blue mapped subpixels are off. Leave that in place long enough, and those blue subpixels eventually begin to fade, while the blue subpixels that make up green and blue are still at full strength, and now when you got to show something other than solid red, suddenly, ya got burn in.
Do you realise even regular LEDs eventually get burn in? It's not a matter if it's possible or not (because it's going to happen), but if it would be less of an issue on these new QD-OLEDs by delaying burn-in too long that it doesn't matter.
I can see the brightness increase and outdoor scenes where it's supposed to be sunny looks great. But from a aesthetic standpoint i kind of like how the WOLED scenes look more often than the QD OLED scenes. I feel like in some of them the brightness washed out some of the details you see in the darker OLED.
That might be caused by the display that you are watching it on. It looked good on mine, but I would have to see one in person before buying one (in about 2-3 years).
Linus: "Look at this colors!!!!"
Me using a regular old LCD display:"Ah yes this colors are indeed very color-y"
To be fair, they look very good on my Dell UP3017.
I’m on my iPhone XR loving my sub 1080p screen!
Me using a TN Panel: What colours?
on point tv preview experience lol
2006 lcd here, hd ready as well :d
"Samsung just made everything else OBSOLETE!" brought to you by Samsung.
At least the contense of the video is not that much over the top...
No different to all the videos saying how amazing Apple are
@@MT-eb2dx he’s talked about on WAN show that the team makes sensationalist titles and thumbnails but tries their best to make the videos honest and accurate.
@@ryanfeller5765 Thats alright normally. But when the sponsor of the video is the same as the product of the video its clearly crossing a line.
Exactly🤦🏽♂️
Sounds like it'll be a nice thing to buy in like 5 years when prices aren't in the stratosphere.
I thought the same about OLEDs when I first saw one haha well.. now we are here.
To be fair Im still a student so its not my fault =)
@@jasssedine fair enough
@@jasssedine lol
@@jasssedine wym your fault?
that will line up nicely with the point in time better GPUs are affordable again...
I love seeing this kind of stuff in the store because its so easy to tell when its next to something inferior. Then I see the price and remember I am inferior.
@yo yo You could think of a Plasma tv as a OLED but more. To some, it may look better than a OLED. But a plasma costs more, has more weight and has more burn-in. As I said, OLED but more (I know that I could have used better wording, but I needed to use the word more to emphasise the “OLED but more”)
@yo yo similar to how CRTs are actually way better than modern LCD monitors. Better colors, way higher refresh rates.
@yo yo I didn't say better than OLEDs, I said better than LCDs. And that's true, because CRTs have true blacks like OLEDs as both use emissive displays (switch off pixels not used). And pretty much all CRTs had excellent full-gamut color range. Yes, they were absolutely better (in colors) than LCDs when LCD's were new, and they're probably still better than most screens today.
which one is the most power efficient and outlast them all? i'm using my 50 inch LED tv since 2013, sure it's not the best of the best, but i think i will use this until it dies or it becomes less bright.
I love looking at the comparisons and saying ''This really does look better'', on my LCD.
I keep looking at the one on the left and going, "I see more detail on that one. How is this better?"
@@grandetaco4416 My thoughts exactly as well. All the ones on the right (The QD) seemed blown out and muddled. Especially the scene with the lake/river (the one after the mountain scene) and cloud reflection on the water. Much more detail in the left image where the right there is almost no detail at all in the reflection. As for the mountain scene, the trees just below the mountain look like a very poor photoshop job instead of looking natural.
My screens are fine for now as it stands... I can imagine them to look better
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@@bootxlegg Why TF did you link one of your own videos of no relevance?
@@roxaslight7503 well of course they look like that on a display that can't capture the color detail...
Man this TV is so technically impressive that fixing it probably gonna cost more then buying a new one
Knowing it is coming from Samsung their QC and RMA will be shitty.
it's actually a simpler technology stack, though I think the difference is negligible when it comes to repair.
Bold of you to assume you can
even fix anything
Last tv i fixed had the main board shorted to ground for some reason.. I caption taped the shizznits out of it and it worked, 1$ fix of 1000$ tv.
Previous one I replaced a blown cap on the PSU..
On a different topic, I wish someone will come up with a fix for LG OLEDs that have been dinged up and rendered unusable.
Ill have to see if Linus is hiring to be able afford this TV.
Wait what
@@andrive they're just saying that it's probably gonna be super expensive
@@BrainScramblies I heard their pay is kinda average, (except for their new blank-cheque engineers they're hiring).
And if you are hired, you would probably have to wait your turn for an Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade before you get a new TV
Don't worry friend I'm sure it will be at an affordable 10,000 dollars..
Nice to see obsolete WOLED displays are still out of my budget. Fantastic!
OLED makes you say, "Oh." When you see the price tag.
WOLED makes you say, "Woah." When you see the price tag.
New top of the line products should bring down prices for the others on the market, no?
@Malek: Just be patient and work towards your goals, my friend. Took me to last year to be in the tech-position I wanted to be in in 2012. Back then it was my dream as a student to get a Plasma TV and a new Piano. Last year I got my C9 OLED and new Piano. Patience. You'll get there. I promise.
@@Wistbacka good general life advice!
@@JK-gm6kk
they do, just years and years later. so if you are patient enough, one day you will have this WOLED tv.
most people aren't patient though, and will likely make their purchase on something like this when they have enough money and then complain that they suddenly can't pay their rent or for food or whatever lol.
Samsung “retail demo” mode is always like this though. They make sure RBG is popping with maximum brightness. We need to see some color calibrations then a side by side comparison.
Yeah but that also goes to LG / Sony they use a lot of the "smooth" animation thing in retail demo mode and all the stuff. Only Panasonic and Philips doesnt touch a lot of things in their retail mode
@@Tacotrucktodd Who ?
@@Tacotrucktodd Probably Philips
My thoughts exactly
LG tv looks so blue
definitely not calibrated
so not from the same starting line
trying to make it look worse, lol
Me judging high res fancy displays on my fridge's TFT:
"interesting"
Damn you must be loaded with money. I am watching the display comparison on a black and white kindle which i found in a dumbster.
@@2failepic at least your device is pocketable, I’m using a CRT I found on the side of the road.
@@2failepic The strobing from refreshing the whole e-ink screen all the time must be really tiring. Mad respect!
@@2failepic I don't actually have a smart fridge, I aint that rich.
"All its gotta do is keep my funkken beer cold"
@@FlameOnTheBeat just got a A52s 5G, it ain't bad but I've seen better
I used to work on OLEDS on the chemical side. I'm truly curious how this tech will impact pricing as the biggest bonus I see is panel yield. The problem with RGB OLEDs is that the materials (specifically the emissive) layer from any one color can kill the others, so if your red and green printing passes went great but your blue print pass was a bit off you will end up with a bunch of dead pixels or sections. As this panel is only printing blue on the OLED layer, sealing it, and then using quantum dots outside the conductive space, the accuracy of the print does not need to be as tight and the printing tech itself can be massively simplified which in theory could conservatively put the yield of these panels >85%.
This yield issue was huge in the industry with one large manufacturer struggling to hit 25% yield on finished panels around the 55" size on a good day. So if their yields are increasing the way I think they are that is a whole lot less dead panels that have to be rolled into the cost of one good panel.
Note: A bit of what I have stated above is over-simplified, some printing technologies use multiple passes for the emissive layers where as ink-jet can do it in one shot. None of these are easy as the droplet size is stupidly small and impacted greatly by static charge, and trying to maintain an even charge across a large panel is mind bendingly hard as you are doing it in a purged and dry environment because O2 and moisture kills these compounds fast. Then comes drying all this printed mess, if your pressure and temp controls are not absolutely tight you can still get enough splatter from one pixel well over to the next to ruin a panel.
So these will essentially become super cheap. The next gen monitors are finally here huh...
25% Yield? On a good day!?!? I work in medical
device manufacturing and this boggles my mind. Our yields are 90+% unless we have an equipment failure.
Wow, what a great insight into how complicated it can be to make the panels - thank you!
Are there actually any TV-sized true RGB OLED screens? LG uses white pxels and color filters on their TVs, is there anyone else making thier own panels?
tnx alex
The whole "too dim in sunlight" issue with OLED never mattered to me, because if I'm watching TV in the middle of the day with the curtains open, I should probably re-examine my life choices.
Yeah, watching tv in the middle of the day should be done with the curtains closed, obviously
@@F4T4LFUS1ON if so, it would be better to buy a projector then...
I think in a few years QD-OLED going to look really good on tablets and laptops designed to be used under direct sunlight.
@@quandovoceleroscomentarios1668 I stopped paying attention to projectors years ago, have they stopped sucking yet?
It's great and all, but as long as it makes current OLED and top spec TVs drop their price, that would be the biggest effect for most people.
Yup, we need new all the new TVs so we can afford all the current top of the line TVs. Competition and innovation is always good for the consumer. I don’t really care about any 8K TV. Just want a solid OLED TV
@@henrylam92 the first QD OLED TV will be the 4k Sony A95K. Even the OEMs seem to know that nobody cares about 8k
I like this line of thinking. Capitalism at its finest.
Also, I don't trust Samsung with color calibration, their panels are way too saturated. I'm watching this video trough an OLED and the "normal" side of the screen looked way better more natural.
Especially in the first picture, the one with the poppy field. The Samsung side was so saturated that it lost all the definition in the upper portion of the screen, you could no longer make out the individual flowers.
I know that in person it will look different, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
@@Willy-tt6ez that's not capitalism, that's how any market works, no matter if capitalist or not.
Capitalism is when few people have a lot of money (the capital) at their disposal, and with that capital they can run a business with no democratic oversight, they can completely disregard what their workers have to say about how to run the very own enterprise where they work.
If politics worked like that you would call a society set up in this way a dictatorship.
I hit this so fast I thought it was an SSD video.
Same
Same lol
It is lol, it's a Sam Sung Display video
I processed this so slow I thought I was an hdd
not
Linus: Samsung made a display that obsoletes everything else
Also linus: it's 15% to 25% better and costs a kidney more than current displays.
@@stephenpatterson8056 tbh I'm not the kind of person that cares that much about the "improvement" they do on displays, I'm unable to differenciate between close color ranges without sticking my eye to it so don't really care about color "accuracy". I still use old CRT TV for some stuff, is way cheaper an have all funtionality I need, until they improve the price of newer TVs I'm not upgrading
@@stephenpatterson8056 OLED is the only real upgrade for TVs in decades. But it is stupidly expensive and costs 1000$+ which will never make it mainstream. Making it even more expensive just hurts it more. That is why I'm against OLED Tech improvements, it's making it more expensive not the other way.
He is paid to make this outlandish claims, what did you expect?
@@lyamschuss8786 good tvs are cheap now
I remember when SSD's cost a fortune and all you had was a old HD. Now we have affordable nvme m.2 drives that can do literally 40x what a good HD did 10 years ago.
Congrats on the Samsung sponsorship, that's such a massive sponsor to even have. Really show's you how influential you've become.
Yeah that makes for some serious advertisement income. Especially from Samsung! How about some 'full disclosure' huh ;)
@Bry Zeer Pewdiepie has 100 mil and is shunned and ignored by most big companies. What's your point?
As someone who has worked in a TV store before I'm a little disappointed when you showed the side by side WOLED vs QDOLED and didn't show or mention the picture settings.. like others have mentioned, the dramatic differences can be pretty easily simulated with currently available TV's with just a "vivid" or "dynamic" setting change. The technology looks really cool and looks like it really should be an improvement but I always like to make sure its apples to apples when comparing TVs.
Samsung did sponsor Linus after all haha can NEVER trust a video like this.
WTF were you expecting??
This isn't HDTVTest. 😂😂
ngl it feels like the G1 is on a cool colour temp.
Not entirely the case here.. your settings don’t really matter when each display has its limitations and peaking those limitations is where the current OLEDs can’t complete next to the QD sets.
Have you ever tried comparing the original Samsung S9 OLED back from 2012/2013 to any of the 2021 OLEDs !
Those still show better and brighter colours than anything on the consumer market today.
Even without HDR or 4K !
So all the side by side comparisons r actually exactly what you should expect from the newer Samsung sets..
As LG panels simply can’t do certain things.. which has always been an inherent weakness of their approach to OLEDs.
Samsung always had a more superior approach and you still can’t beat their first OLED back from 2013 to anything in the market.
The side by side comparisons actually look very similar to what you’d see between the Samsung S9 form 2013 vs a LG G1.
The S9 didn’t have any ABL..
The S9 was extremely vibrant.. greyscale was near perfect.
But was poorly received by consumers because it was marginally expensive to the LGs at the time.
i mean it doesn't really matter since we can't actually see what they look like unless we're seeing it in person.
Would be interesting to see a video on the topic of eye strain, HDR, and brightness and how these technologies have changed the guidelines compared to something like the old LCD or cathode ray TVs.
yeah dont sit too close to the tv
No phones itself have diminished the average adult eye lifespan.
Radium sunscreen. Protects and refreshes.
@George xander Blue Light obviously is bad for your skin bro smh my head
I have an HDR 1000 display and it can give you a hell of a headache from eye strain if too much white is displayed.
I remember taking a class in visual density, back in the film days, it was titled " how white is white" . It did venture into apparent white and balanced white ( scientifically) measured. It was in conjunction with a class in color reproduction.
Color is so very subjective and is influenced by environment. I have done color correction for so many years that tinted glasses don't work for me when they have a color bias.
for anyone making jokes like "this looks great on my non-hdr lcd", you can absolutely tell the quality of displays by watching filmed footage on your display. Cameras are very picky, they make things like backlight bleed and bad contrast look AWFUL when filmed, and these artifacts are completely viewable on consumer grade LCD's. this especially works well for side by side comparisons, at 3:21 it's very obvious the LG's reds aren't as red. Yeah, you're not getting HDR red on the monitor you're looking at in your room, but you can still see the difference between the two TV's in the video. at 3:48 it's extremely obvious the ambers on the left are duller.
i'm curious how this compares to the sony a90j which has a giant heatsink on the back to push brightness past lg specifications
Then wait for the A95K reviews. Sony is now using Samsung QD-OLED display for their flagship tv.
Those tvs are a bit of a hit or miss, the QN900A from Samsung gets pretty hot with just generic use, to the point my relatively small living room gets quite warm after an hour or so, never thought I'd be removing a night robe because of my tv but the A90j could be even worse¿ Who knows at this point technology demands are so extreme only extreme solutions and extreme price tags are viable
@@fewik8567 What are you talking about? The QN900A isn't an OLED. The Sony A90J is, meaning it would turn off some of the pixels for when they are displaying black, so less heat. The A90J is considered by many to be the best OLED TV for picture quality
Don't ask Linus, they'll rip one apart and fit water cooling.
@@fewik8567 a90j doesn’t get anywhere near as hot as the Samsung qn900a, that tv is literally part radiator
This was the first time someone explained RGB and color spaces in a way that it actually clicked.
I love that when a company is confident in a product, they first send it to Linus because they know its not bullshit lol
ads haha
It shows they are confident it won't break when he drops it you mean 🤣
@@lorduggae hahaha so true 😂
Its a sponsored video , Linus is always a good boy in sponsored videos , thats kinda the point of Samsung paying him lol
Eh it’s not like Linus is an all knowing guy. There’s more than just one mistake in his Headphone videos
For a sponsored video this felt natural and not forced one bit, and it's so great that you make it SO clear it's sponsored. Great to see the detail of the tech and the reasoning behind it 👍
title: "Samsung just made everything else OBSOLETE"
description: "Thanks to Samsung for sponsoring today's video!"
I don't know about what level of objetivity I can expect here.
Yeah. I agree, Total waste of time. Review of a technology made by someone wearing a beanie indoors. Heating is off or what? ;)
Then what level of objectivity *were* you expecting? Panel tech has always been about user visual perception, which is very subjective by nature.
Still not as bad as the MKBHD Sponsored Best Buy video.
@@tw3413 This is a product reveal rather than a review.
Samsung sponsored videos are the job interview equivalent of “My main flaws are that I care too much and I work too much!”
Had to stop watching after two minutes. Too much QVC vibe or advertorial.
this is the first time i've felt skeptical watching a LTT video. knowing that this is sponsored by samsung, and hearing the sales pitches about how good these TVs are, and the straight up attacks on LG's panels and their quality... I'm just not sure if i trust this. I hope i'm not alone.
quite a conflict of interest thingy dilemma going on here.
had the same feeling throughout the video
Yeah no I don’t trust it either. Linus has been sorta dropping the ball recently I feel. Losing touch, almost.
@@RDR911 He has always done this. He and Jay will review whatever product as long as a company throws money at them. Can't fault them for it, I guess. Some of the only honest channels are probably hardwareunboxed and gamersnexus these days.
They've produced lots of sponsored videos over the years and I trust him. He made it very clear that sponsors pay him to talk about their key points. They can't pay him to talk positively about a product he doesn't like. And I've rarely seen this level of enthusiasm out of Linus. This is 100% genuine excitement.
He's also made it very clear that this was a Samsung curated experience and should be taken with a grain of salt until independent reviews are coming.
@@FFVIII yeah. A while ago he was praising a Vizio soundbar, and Vizio soundbars are notorious for being built cheap and having tons of issues. I stopped trusting his reviews after that.
2:58 I'm just amazed that we're generating images that we don't have display tech good enough yet to actually see properly. Incredible.
It was even more drastic when color TV signals started to be broadcast while almost everyone was still stuck with black & white TVs...
It amazes me how every new TV/Monitor innovation is advertised as "It looks so life like" like I really know what it looks like in real life or that my TV that "Looked life like" didn't really look life like like this new TV does.
When will peaple learn that 10bit hdr is not realistic 12bit will be the final because thats what photograghers use to shoot there photos they can also us
This has me very excited. However, as enthusiastic as I am about accurate colors, there's no way I'm in for one until HDTest confirms its accuracy and early adopters get all the random acts of disappointment out of the way.
Especially considering how Samsung's history has been with the quality of their monitors.
Yep was going to mention HDTVTest. This video seems like an ad.
I too will wait for them, that being said the fact that Sony, which has won the best TV award for 2021 from them has decided to utilize this technology means that tech holds a real promise.
@@theblackswordsman9951 In part it is. At the start of the video it's stated that samsung sponsored the video
This video is a lot of BS - it takes no account how perception or colour theory works - I don't use vivid mode - You never see these pure emitted colours day to day - the biggest emitter our star throws incidental light everywhere, colours shading other colours etc . Linus is full of crap - it's only redder in comparison - look around you probably the brightest colours your LCD screen - colours naturally desaturate in full direct sun light . We want accurate - great for games like raymond legends or cartoons - but unless watching pure lasers on a black screen in a dark room . Brightness is already good - highly over-rated for most .saying that this is good tech - Linus I can see the difference in std scene straightaway - only would be case if "hyper" real bullshit look . - he's full of crap- I used to shoot Velvia fuji film - looked great - super saturated - but was it real?- now if he said the speakers make drum sets sound real - few it any speakers can do that- that's why you know some one is practicing straightaway as you walk down the road and you hear it
the advancement in display tech over the last few years has been absolutely nuts to see
I don’t really have a gauge on how much it’s advanced honestly. All of my displays are pretty old (5 years+). Waiting a couple years to finally upgrade so I I’ll be in for a treat I guess
Too bad the software they shove inside the TVs sucks ass :l I just want a big monitor ngl.
excepting monitors, yes.
On the monitor side we've been stuck for a while, with the exception of expensive miniLED which have blooming and slow response times. I hope this QD is the end and we finally get everything at once... I guess except price, but for this I'm willing to pay, just don't tell Samsung.
yes and no. beside OLED, nothing much happened. especially for monitors. the last decade was boring a.f. this is the first real innovation for a long time.
Looks very promising. At the same time I’m skeptical about the claims about durability.
My guess is that using only blue LEDs will progressively eat at your initial brightness. It’s smart though, since most people won’t really notice their screens losing brightness over time.
I have a 10 years old plasma and to me i didn't notice any lost in brightness, but in reality it should be a lot diimer it's just that i don't notice it XD
Burn in concerns as a computer display, but if this is real and burn is not much of an issue, I would be sold!
One of the problems with current OLED displays is that there's a difference in how quickly each colour OLED will wear out.
At least with this one, since they're all blue OLEDs, the wear will be more consistent.
@@Mibok I had a plasma until about a year a go and I'm positive that my 1080p plasma could compete with the majority of 4k TVs today.
@@Nighterlev Do you know why they didn't continue with plasma?
samsung just combined testing and marketing into 1 video
but it's sponsored by samsung?
What image settings were used on LG when this test was done? Difficult to trust a review, especially a sponsored one, when no baselines are given.
This side by side comparison is so impressive it’s making my non hdr display look good. Impressive.
Not gonna lie this is hdr oled sucks for hdr anyway for rec709 if you put these display in rec709 they will look the same even if one is very bright but who cares I dont care for brightnes since I play in a very dark room
That purple water at 04:14 though... no thanks
8:51 I'm really curious for the performance during motion. During this shot I can see that the UFO has no visible trace. With 175 Hz one can assume that the picture would look good even without BFI. But there are still some games which are locked at 60 Hz. I hope that the monitor will have some BFI feature for this to allow motion clarity on those games as well.
"sponsor of this video makes everything not sponsoring this video obsolete!"
I realize its your camera settings you recorded in, but the qd-oled looks like it constantly blows/crushes out color losing tons of detail and looking way too saturated
it's their silly LUTs
Samsung always blows out their colors
Was thinking the same I liked the left a whole lot more
We need our own eyes on these
It’s not just their camera.
I would like to know the calibration settings of the lg TV in contrast to the Samsung. It's cool that Samsung finally jumped on the oled train to the future but I am entirely too skeptical on this comparison.
Yep you can't trust a comparison like that at all. Samsung most likely set the LG TV's color temperature way too high (because it looks extremely blue in many shots) and lowered the saturation to make the colors pop on their own TV. Also almost the entire video sounds like Samsung just handed Linus a script to read, or at least a big list of stuff he needs to talk about. This is why I don't like sponsored videos. You can't trust anything that's being said or shown.
Agreed - I own a C1 and the colors POP on my OLED. It looks nothing like what was depicted here
Samsung has been on the OLED train. They are largest manufacturer of OLED screen for mobile devices. Yet curiously enough, they aren't using this "revolutionary" new technology for their existing OLED screens. Seems kinda strange if you ask me.
@@nerdstrangler4804 That does seem suspicious but thats probably because it is just recently developed and not yet brought into small factor. And yes, I was aware that they are in the mobile screen Oled game but I was referring to the big screens.
@@Kepe My sentiments as well. I did utilise the dislike button on this video to express my distain and I hope more people do. That is how he will know that content like this hurts his credibility in the future. As someone else mentioned on a reply, my C1 2021 model is incredible. This reminds me of when Acura put their new TLX type S next to an Audi S4 in their unveiling on a quarter mile drag race. The TLX was faster than the S4 on that short of a drag, but when reviewers did a 1 mile drag race, it was revealed that the S4 was actually significantly faster than the TLX.
Since it takes less to power the leds, does the TPD of the TV go down appreciably? Not the most important stat on a TV/monitor, but less energy usage is always nice as an add-on.
That's a valid concern, especially considering how power much 8K TVs consume. With energy prices always on the rise, this stat is becoming more and more important.
@@leonro I thought of it later, but when these displays make their ways to mobile devices they MIGHT extend battery life. the display's always been the biggest energy hog on my phones.
@@TGAPOO I doubt we'll see this in mobile devices soon, considering that both LG's and Samsung's TV OLED panels haven't been made small enough for laptops or phones. The OLED screens that are used on phones and laptops all come from Samsung and are made differently. Of course, it'd be nice to be wrong, as that's just my expectation.
@@TGAPOO
that's true, but it also has to do with what resolution your screen is using, all these 4k and 8k screens are unnecessary for a 5X3 inch screen size, i will stick with my 720p resolution phone any day, another thing that sucks with newer phones is the built in battery you can't replace unless you are an expert and know what your doing. the newer phones aren't meant to last that long anyway which is why so many people need to replace their phone with a new one within 2 years of getting it, it's sad to see so many people drop a grand on a device that will only last them a few years at best.
but that's our current culture, always wasting money on shit they don't need or can really afford.
@@5226-p1e Bit rant-y there my dude. I agree with you mostly, but I've got bad eyes and use whatever I can get for free with the plan I want to use, and use it til it dies. I still want my phone to go longer between charges. Though I'd certainly love an easily replaceable battery.
I trust Linus’ integrity to not deliberately mislead us, but I’ll reserve judgement for once these products are on the market and we get multiple independent reviews.
If these displays suck, it would permanently damage Samsung’s relation with LMG and it would be a significant problem for them in the future. I am expecting these prototypes to be better than anything currently on the consumer market as Linus said, but that isn’t surprising.
If anything, the competition is ALWAYS good for us consumers, because it would force LG to adapt and improve, even if these are just marginally better.
I have seen some other sites being super impressed by these too, but yes definitely better to wait for full in-depth reviews.
all I can tell you is that this "review" seems reaaaaally biased to me. He made it very clear it was sponsored by Samsung (and I can't even imagine how much they paid him to make an ad like that) and he usually is very picky and always presents things he didn't like or didn't go very well with the stuff he normally reviews. This time it really felt just like advertising, only saying how cool and awesome this new display is.
@@valberm he did say it has its flaws, and Samsung wouldn't answer some of their questions. My understanding is that they usually have to use some of the marketing terms phrases & buzzwords provided by the manufacturer, but they're still allowed to make their own opinion.
And yes this video is sponsored, but I don't believe all the early impressiond by other sites & journalists are.
@@valberm also by his own admission this isn't the full review. So reserve any judgement you have for that review.
linus has endorsed previous Samsung products like the G9 and Neo G9 but barely even talked about the huge problems those panels have. So yeah even reputable tech youtubers are supposed to be taken with a grain of salt nowadays
This looks amazing! However, given Samsung’s history with tech/appliances not getting technical support, I’m hesitant.
As long as they push the tech ahead, it will be fine.
Other companies will adopt the tech and it will become standard.
My problem is Samsung's decision to force ads on their paying customers. You put down thousands of dollars for a TV, and still get ads in the TV menu. Insanity.
Samsung ads in the system OS too...
Samsung sell this panels to other companies too. Sony's new flagship TVs announced today also use the same QD OLED panels made by Samsung but with their own processors, software and exclusive features
samsung tends to distribute their tech to competitors so possibly won't take that long for you to just buy an apple tv with it instead or something
Interestingly, Sony just announced their new range of TVs using Samsung's QD-OLED panels. I'd definitely want to see how Sony is implementing their BRAVIA tech onto these panels.
Bravia is more of a brand than any specific technology. Their current displays use OLED panels produced by LG and are notorious for being the same picture quality as LG but with a considerable mark up for the brand recognition of Sony.
It’s a shame really because Sony was responsible for producing the first ever LED backlit panel and OLED panel. I imagine they must have massively cut their R&D budget since almost all major innovations in display technology have come from LG and Samsung in the last 10 years. The next cycle seems to be the same with Sony’s decision to purchase QD OLED panels designed and manufactured by Samsung.
@@circuitwarden same panel, totally different motion engine which is what bravia is
@@circuitwarden Own processor, sound system, OS, build in general...
Best chance for Dolby Vision with this panel tech since Samsung don't support it.🤦♂️
@@circuitwarden What are you talking about? Sony has by far the best image processing pipeline and despite featuring same panel, their final products tend to be more color accurate than LG's.
Image processing is a very BIG part of modern displays.
Displays with this color gamut have been around for almost a decade. The Vizio Reference Series was introduced to the public back at Vizio's CES in 2014. The models in that series were R65-B2 and R120-B2. The display featured 90% of the Rec.2020 or BT.2020 color gamut and Dolby Vision HDR. Now I know no one who isnt a multi-millionare would buy this thing but the technology that is just as capable has been around. It is great that they are finding these new ways but are they going to be better than what we already have? I am not sure.
This video feels INCREDIBLY “sponsored by Samsung”, which was clearly stated to your credit. Even so, I found a lot of the statements made to be very dubious given my experience with Samsungs.
I’m expecting these OLEDs to be brighter (good) and with the immense oversaturation that Samsung is known for (eh). I’d love to be proven wrong, but I guess only time will tell.
setting anecdotes aside, it really depends product to product - Samsung has their share of poop releases but some pc monitors and a tv I'd gotten over past decades have performed & held up well - I'm excited for QD-OLED in general regardless of brand
I have no doubt the new Samsung TVs look amazing but he made it seem like the current popular OLEDs like the LG C1 look like shit. I have a C1 and it looks mindblowing especially with Dolby Vision/HDR content. What I also like about the C1 is that I don't have any eye strain from it. The picture can be pretty bright with HDR in a pitch black room and I could watch all night and my eyes would be fine. I wonder how that is with the new Samsung TVs. Having a very bright picture might look impressive at first but if you watch it for hours your eyes might start to hurt.
@@scarface11991 this is not about how bad or good your old tv is clam down a,d enjoy your Dolby whatever the video is about a new tech and sometimes new tech is better and you have to accepte that.
@@hamzacrouzou6325 like I said I have no doubt the new Samsung TVs look better and more impressive but he made it seem that everything else looks bad when in reality it's not even close to looking bad.
@@scarface11991 Linus comes back to earth in the conclusion section, the first sections made me cringe. But it's sponsored content so he has to make his Samsung corporate overlords happy on this video.
Worked on the inkjet printing technology involved in QD-OLED. So glad that this product has finally come to fruition!
Care to elaborate?
@@zaki-fd2fd No. I'm under NDA.
congrats!
I appreciate that Linus acknowledges this was a curated set of tests and that Samsung sponsored them, makes the whole thing feel more honest
Required by law
required by law and either way that makes the entire video pointless and biased. It's literally a 20 min ad.
@@user-hh5pj5jv8p Eh. Most of us have enough trust in Linus and the team to not lie to us. Sure, you have to take this with a pinch of salt, but that goes for everything and at least they make it clear here.
@@banaana1234 here's the issue tho, you guys don't know Linus personally. All UA-camrs put a persona and to think you know them based on watching their videos is naive. You guys don't know if he'd truly do that.
@@user-hh5pj5jv8p We don't, but I've watched these videos long enough to reasonably believe that he and the team didn't make an exception from the usual form of trustworthiness. Ill gladly accept that that they are trying to trick us if that gets proven, and if they got proven to be shady even once, I'd put a lot less trust in them. But, LMG has pretty much always been open and honest, and all the claims in the video seem plausible so I don't really have a reason to not believe them.
Best product video in a while! Regarding the technical bits... to the point, we'll explained, deep enough without going too deep. Keep'em coming! 👍👍👍
This looks really really good. A shame it’ll be super expensive (relatively, for me). If only the monitors were less expensive (which I still don’t understand why they’re so damm expensive).
Hopefully prices will drop over the next year or three. Maybe they'll be like how IPS kinda became the norm for high end gaming monitors.
Hopefully prices eventually go down as they make more of these panels.
@@Neoxon619 Yeah we'll get there eventually and we have some solid technologies getting cheaper now as well
LG's 42" OLED will likely be around $1K USD. Less in a year or two when they clear inventory for new models. Cut back on other expenses, save up, sell your old monitor and that's very obtainable.
Two simple reasons. R&D costs and the fact this is a new TV & Monitor they have designed. That means parts are expensive and that cost is passed on to us. In a few years, the price will come down as parts become cheaper and they improve on the building process.
We know samsung flew out linus and the crew because samsung knew he wouldn't have a chance in dropping it. In all seriousness I hope this tech will make it to their mobile line, it would be a big marketing move for range topper galaxy devices
Nah Samsung Display sells to all kinds of manufacturers. More money to be made selling your display technology to competitors, effectively getting a % of their revenue.
Samsung is full of crap.
@@deeppurplefan so are you
To me it seems to be more a damage control move, since Sony just today has announced this very same panel and it seems that it will be available before than the Samsung one.
Note that Samsung Display isn't directly the part of Samsung that makes the phones. Clearly, they could put them in their own devices first, but Samsung generally is more of an OEM than a direct company.
When properly calibrated I doubt you'll see much difference in the color unless you hike up the brightness. For reliable comparison, hdtvtest is the only credible source.
True.
The image of the moose in at 3:53 looks much more correct on WOLED. At some of these comparisons the image in QD OLED looks like over saturated mess.
But I assume it's just calibration issue rather than problem with the technology.
It could also be the camera that blows one of the two out since it can't focus on both at the same time. But I definitely thought the same thing when I saw the moose image.
HDTVTest (another UA-cam channel covering this tech) did mention that the Samsung demo units were oversaturated. Saturation usually makes things "look" better to regular consumers, so that must be why. It didn't do the moose any favors though.
To me this whole new "bright" didn't seem at all natural and it actually felt like everything turned purple instead of lighter.
To be fair, you're inevitably watching it through a screen with worse colour representation. It's like those marketing bits that try to show the difference between refresh rates on a still image, you can't compare it without equal or better hardware.
@@mattieb98 that is what I was thinking to get an accurate opinion you probably need to see it face to face imo
That's your own display pal 😂. You would need to see it in person to fully understand the spectrum that it shows.
The brightness has been compressed to something that can be displayed in this UA-cam video. It's not the same as the dynamic range your eyes would be seeing it in person. But you can clearly tell the color representation is much truer in this new display.
@@petrolhead0387 no it fucking isn't, this is just some random samsung sponsored video with insane saturation, it looks fucking purple can't even see the individual roses in the right display, samsung shit as always
Biggest takeaway for me is hope that the price of regular OLED TV's go down thanks to this new tech.
Same, will probably be on the market for a 65" at the end of the year, and I really hope WOLED is going down, at least a bit.
OLEDs don't typically even last 2 years without burn in, it's a waste of money
@@drunkhusband6257 spoken like someone who has never owned a oled. I’ve put over 6000 hours in my lg cx oled with 0 issues and have never babied it once. I use it for gaming and watching movies
It should be ever cheaper one day as it's basically simplified OLED (emits just one color) mixed with Quantum dots Samsung already sells even in cheap TVs. But now it's a new tech.
@@drunkhusband6257 Rubbish 😂✌️
I have always been interested in Samsungs QD-OLED technology since they first started researching into it. However, as I do a deeper dive into some of the more elusive questions (i.e How do the layers of the pixel direct the blue light within itself to the correct QD printed color? Quantum Confinement. What is quantum confinement? The spatial confinement of electron-hole pairs (excitons) in one or more dimensions within a material...), I really start to marvel at the complexity of a television that will be obsolete in relatively a blink of the eye.
Yeah, when Linus mentioned "quantum dots" I felt a little dizzy. That kind of thing was a theory when I was in university, and now they're in consumer electronics.
Quantum dots take the place of the colour filters that exist in WOLEDs. Each pixel in the QD-OLED would have 3 sub-pixels of Red (QD-Red), Green (QD-green), and Blue (no QD, just pass through). So imagine printing a giant array of dots on a clear substrate that would be Red, Green, Blank. QD is really just a colour filter (sort of)
I remember being impressed when I read that CRT worked by bending a ray of electrons. A signal controlled by "electromagnets" and precisely scanning the screen. Then CLUSTERING THREE of those electron rays and aiming with even more precision to a screen mask with three color filters, so small that I couldn't differentiate each component at 1 meter distance. That might be the thing that made me fell in love with electronics. It's magic, black magic... quantum magic.
@@BlacklistBill but why put filters in a w-oled, if the sub pixels are already generating the proper colours - weird.
As a local dumbass, i dont understand anything, but you sound cool!
From what I hear from the video, the OLED part is entirely emitting blue light, right? RGB conversion is done entirely by QD technology. Since there isn't any RGB from the OLED layer, there shouldn't be burn in issue other than the overall brightness, right?
yes that's correct
If they're also making monitors it would cool to see DisplayPort finally make its way over to tvs as an input option
While they're at it, it would be nice if they could make their products last more than a few years before breaking.
@@mintymus Apple fans are probably reading this, thinking "wait, they get to use their devices for YEARS?!"
HDMI is better for TV, that's why they won't do it
I would totally buy a TV for my gaming PC, if only it had DisplayPort.
@@Alfakennyone No, just look at the spec. DP is better than HDMI in every way. Most TV manufacturers are members of the HDMI forum and get royalties from it being used everywhere. DisplayPort is royalty-free.
I'd question the calibration of the LG G1 test display Samsung is comparing it with.
This feels like a huge paid promo for Samsung.
It is sponsored by Samsung after all.
So what we watched was Linus telling us about his perspective after testing. I'll bet they tested the LG too. They're too big to be bought and you can see that in this vid. He can afford this tech and has a massive following of trusting individuals so this was smart advertising by Samsung.
Yeah, the LG OLED in general has pretty bad pre-calibration picture quality. But it's the factory default so that's totally LG's fault
You are correct, if you comparing something best samsung has to offer to any other, it should be obvious other side should be chosen in same range as well with similar configuration, comparison was one sided.
I dont like hdr it looks wrong anyway needs calibration and wait for a proper tv that can do over 10000nits for true hdr and none of the tone mapping you dont need it for displays that can go beyond 4000nits hdr right now is very complicated I wont use it it looks very unatural too me and my darkroom setting looks natural but hey not everyone wants a realistic colour display I may buy the 42inch oled and calibrate rec709 and enjoy it darkroom last for over 10 years at 100nits brightnes
I just want a display that will look great for 10 years calibrated
Sure ile love a true rgb tv but with oled it looks better in darkroom anyway I hate reflections3
This felt a lot like a 20 minute ad than your typical LTT video showing off new tech from a fair standpoint.
That's pretty much what LTT is now.
I like that how since forever the intro is still the same. :) pls never change it
well to be honest, this QD OLED looks more like over saturating everything. and that is in a bad way. maybe it's because of the youtube video compression
Please don't judge TV image quality through a camera displayed on a different device with a different color profile. 😅
Samsung TV’s are naturally oversaturated as heck. Sony will be getting QD-OLED though and they are naturally far more color accurate.
Watching the video of QD-OLED on IPS display the contrast is not good either j/k
Too many variables.
Most new tvs have a calibrated picture mode that's much closer to true colors.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH Well the TV on the left has a much better image IMO, QD OLED looked ultra saturated and blurry.
one question. how was the LG calibrated? also this technologi sounds insane. I think Linus explained it the best way possible and I get it but you gotta be an epic nerd to appreciate this :) I want an (two) 144hz (or whatever hz) 27" with this QD-OLED and not curved. keep up the good work Linus!
The LG was "calibrated" using less than half of its full brightness so it would appear way worse than the other tv.
You can be damn sure it wasn’t calibrated along to the same standard as their own. The fact that you can see an obvious difference in colours on camera says enough. Even though it might be true that the samsung has better coverage of the bt2020 standard, the difference is never that big, an average consumer would find it incredibly difficult to spot the difference in colour accuracy between these panels when they are both calibrated to the same scrutiny
I still gonna wait for reviews in an uncontrolled environment but it looks promising
That’s all you can do man. Thankfully we have return policies! As annoying as it would be.
Forget reviews, nowadays just try it and return it if it doesn't live up to your expectation. The ultimate reviewer is yourself with your own eyes.
I should add, reviews are still mega appreciated. Since I only need to try 1-3 TVs/monitors instead. A guided search is better than with no information.
@@QuantumConundrum Absolutely. I bought the Sony A80J thinking that it would be the TV for me. Then when it reached my living room I was unimpressed with the picture quality. So I returned it for an LG C1 (which was cheaper) and haven't looked back since.
Finally! I'm glad the producers started pushing forward again, after getting stuck on the HDR feature for the last 3-4 years.
They will be very expensive, but these are basically the last monitor I would ever need. OLED, high refresh rate + GSync, and a reasonable size.
Who needs more then 64kb of ram! 4.7gb DVD! Or a 17" crt. Or a 7200rpm hdd. 10mbps Lan. Lol.
Thanks for breaking down concepts like colour space and pixel layout so effectively! Its not easy to walk the line between being too technical/too dumbed down.
$8k for a 55" Samsung QD-Oled is supreme premium I'd have to say. That's ridiculous.
8k hahaha not going to even think about it.
Yeah that's ridiculous. I'm more than fine with my Q8fn. I'll wait a few years before I upgrade.
Im definitely going to wait for the prices to go down lol
The image quality on my LG C1 already blows me away, I find it hard to believe that QD-OLED will be better but I'm certain it is. I'm looking forward to seeing it in person at Best Buy.
doesnt it suck when you spend tons of money on the best of the best and something better comes out lol. I hate that.
You like a low light, short life tv... it won't be hard to impress you with the proper marketing :)
@@PollyTicallycorrect short life tv ? Lol no lg makes the best tvs sorry
@@briantime9880 made *
@@LukjoJak Makes, they still make the best TVs. Samsung have always had decent colours. I can tell even from this video that this latest TV is oversaturated like all Samsungs seem to be. When you bring the colour down you see that LG is able to have colour and clarity, whereas Samsung means one or the other.
Sounds like interesting tech for sure. I'll still wait for objective reviews once it launches, though. Always good to see new technology introduced so that we can look forward to it once it's refined enough for prices to drop.
What do you mean objective reviews you think Linus is trying to trick you into wasting all your money.
@@cablefeed3738 Of course not. But this *is* a sponsored video, so there are things he's not allowed to say. I do not doubt that what is said in this video is true, but by nature of being sponsored content, he cannot point out flaws in the product.
@@nunyabeeswax3012 He can and often does he refuses to take sponsorships where hes not allowed to say what he wants to about the product.
@@cablefeed3738 Given his less-than-objective coverage of anything noctua-related, I'm inclined to disagree. I doubt he's lying about anything in this video, but a company wouldn't sponsor a video if it didn't suit their interests.
@@nunyabeeswax3012 They would if they knew they had a good product.
It looks amazing. But can someone explain why the colors look so different? Aren't the current high end TV's meant to be very color accurate to the source material when calibrated? If so why do so many of these side by side shots look like the new TV is so much warmer? Doesn't that make one of the TV's not accurate to the source? Like that shot with the moose. One was gray and one was basically brown.
EDIT: Ok watched more and Linus explains why these TV's have a much large gamut. I just always though calibration helped keep general color consistent.
To bo honest lg looked better overall. Even if its not as bright.
Calibration and color gamut are two separate issues. A perfectly calibrated monitor with a small color gamut will have perfectly accurate colors when, and only when, it's displaying colors within its gamut range.
You can't really see how it looks via youtube on your own screen.
With how much colour grading goes on in media, I doubt you'd ever get a common look among TVs. It seems to come down to the media they use when calibrating and what experience the designers want for customers
I liked crt tv better.
I will wait for reviews from folks who were not flown out to see the tech or otherwise compensated. It's not that I don't trust Linus, it's that it is CES week and the PR/spin machines are going full tilt.
Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me if Samsung also screwed around with the WOLED settings, too. Just to help give them an edge.
It’s not like you can buy this so you have to wait anyway..
It's always a good idea to wait for independent reviews and get your info from multiple sources no matter what device you plan on buying.
I just think your comment on "other people who weren't flown out" is a bit irrelevant here. This is NOT a review of any product. It's a showcase paid for by samsung themselves and it's meant to explain the way the tech works and tell us why we should be excited for it. I'm sure Linus will also make an independent review once an actual consumer ready product is released and it will not be affected by him being flown out in any way.
@@petar1401 > I'm sure Linus will also make an independent review once an actual consumer ready product is released **and it will not be affected by him being flown out in any way.**
hahahahaha
That TV definitely looks amazing but I know for me, I won't be buying it anytime soon. Early adopter tax will be real on that thing and I just don't have that kind of money to shovel out for a TV. I'm very happy to see the innovation tho.
Maybe in five years its cheap enough
cool story bro
This and often early adopters are also guinea pigs and I don't want that considering I would've paid premium. So yeah... Gonna stick to my C1 OLED in my living room and regular IPS for PC stuff.
I with you. I'm quite happy being 3-4 years behind on entertainment items. Not just TVs, but processors, monitors, and gpus, which usually saves me 50-80% of the cost of buying state of the art.
It sounds less like early adopter and more state-of-the-art.
Always the next tv is going to be perfect after you’ve committed to the last years amazing technology.
This is exactly the tech I want. I noticed with my 34” wide LG’s for gaming they’re a bit dim especially in night scenes. I’ll be definitely excited to see what gaming versions they will release in the sizes I want.
@@8jzX_u1LN_Uez2 What you said has nothing to do wtih the original comment.
That's a lcd.
Ever heard of raising gamma in nvidia control panel?
I feel like the screen that didn't use the new tech looked consistently much better than the new one but that could be down to the fact that I'm watching a recording on a third screen.
The colours on the new screen just looked like they were bleeding into each other and weren't as distinct
Agreed.
yeah most likely IRL this effect wouldn't occur.
Guess you'll have to wait to find one IRL to be sure though
Correct it was a bit crap.
I came to the comments just to make sure I'm not the only who thought the woled was better
Same problem when trying to find the best headphones.
"Better in every way"
.. except of the price ofc.
yeah why would the price be the same when it cost more to make? not defending these corporation's but its dumb to pretend like the newest technology is affordable
I always find it funny when I'm watching super good screens on my super shitty screen.
Hi Linus, That comparison to LG looked like just different white balance thing, should have calibrated both displays to the same white point and gamma before doing that :)
Yea, maybe this is why I actually was not liking the QD-OLED. Samsung set the displays up and probably did not allow anyone to mess with the settings. Funny that it actually made Samsung look worse when their intent was to skew the results in their favor.
Cool to see innovation and competition in the space. Felt like LG was stagnating and this will drive them to improve and come up with new, cool stuff of their own.
Well i mean LG also announced "OLED EX" for CES 2022, which also deals with the brightness, who knows for color comparison. A comparison between the Samsung QD-OLED and LG's OLED EX would be interesting otherwise this is just a fluff piece.
@@AlteredCreation afaik OLED EX stands for heatsink, something current Sony and Panasonic OLEDs already have.
Lol they introduced an EVO panel last year and were able to bring it the C-series this year, you're getting hype about some tech that coulda been built years ago but wasn't because Samsung threw out OLED til this year and called it "new"
@@scofozo EVO isnt exactly impressive imo. A marginal improvement. BTW, I currently own a CX.
@@scofozo LG Evo panels are nothing like QD OLED
I love the fact that both screens - the ancient LCD and the super duper fancy QD OLED - are displayed on my TV and I can totally see the difference. Which probably means I can keep using my current TV just fine.
do you know how dumb a statement that is?
@@RayzaNC this probably was a joke
@@raficelle11 i doubt it
Came here to say this
@@RayzaNC from a large part it was a joke indeed. On the other hand, people, myself included, tend to forget that the marvelous image they see in new TV ads is displayed right there on their old TVs. So for a second there I too was admiring how much better the image looks on the QD OLED and forgot it was displayed on my obsolete 2yo OLED. I am sure that seeing the new TV live must be impressive and I am looking forward to it. I may even buy a QD OLED TV next year, who knows. But right now it was partly a joke and partly a tiny bit of reminder that the grass is always greener on the other side.
Game at 8:35 is PLAN 8, in development Game by Pearl Abyss.
Is not yet released and expecting a beta in 2022 December.
Awesome tech, but Samsung still won’t support Dolby Vision which is pretty much the industry standard 🙃
Agreed, Pretty much lose me on TV's just by saying Samsung because of them sticking with HDR10+. Maybe they will make panels for someone that does.
@@MikeBZarlof Sony will be using this panel on the A95K 55" and 65" with a heatsink.
Wonder why they didnt use a A90J to compare it, LG isnt the best for picture processing. Would love to see how much better it look to current flagship right now which is the A90J.
I love when new tech comes out so I can get last years models cheaper lol. I have no idea about price but 99% sure it’s out of my budget.
I want Samsung to do a QD-OLED with 240hz with BFI for that motion clarity on par with a CRT. Seeing this video makes me want one of these, dammnit Linus!
Well. I don't know of any CRT's that did 240hz, so you're pretty much there already with current gen OLED.
they are doing one 32 inch 4k 240hz
@Monochromatik That's something I have never heard of. Sounds pretty cool
@@Clobercow1 I had a Philips CRT monitor capable of 200hz at 800x600. It's max resolution was fhd+ at 75hz however. But choosing the max res meant I couldn't game on it. Bare in mind this was 20 years ago so...
I just don't remember the model.. Philips pq271w or something like that. I remember the 27 and the "w" but I can't for the life of the remember it correctly.
Well you will also only get the same clarity with black frame insertion (reduced brightness), or we wait until 1kHz+ monitors :P
Me watching the high quality monitor with my low quality monitor: "Wow it does look really good"
It is so exciting to see this tech finally being applied. I worked on quantum dot down-conversion tech a few years ago. When I left the project they were still working on green emitters (red was already figured out). I would guess that will be coming relatively soon
Is the quantum part cheeky naming or actually related to quantum physics (not that I know much about it)?
@@chaomatic5328 Actually quantum physics! Quantum dots flouresce (absorb and reemit light at a different wavelength) under UV (blue here) light. The quantum dots are about on the same length scale as the wavelengths of visible light, so they act like tiny electron resonator cavities and strongly prefer to emit certain wavelenghts (colors). They can create insanely brilliant colors assuming you can manufacture them with uniform size.
@@itishappy Now that's epic!
I have a question here:
What were all those delta E measurements for? Were they color accurate with less then 2 delta E or not? Or are we talking here about HDR performance and color space coverage??
Question is important, because if we do not have content to display extremely brigt or color intense objects on the screen - how could you tell the new Samsung OLED was better? Something tells me it was just oversaturatng some colors but not accurate.
As for me - i want to see as much accurate colo reproduction as possible, as it was designed by the creator, not as some fancy AI wants.
Thanks for saying it is a paid promotion btw. We can consume this content without hating you for talking bullshit.
THIS
Yeah, my guess is it depends on how a monitor is configured, so my bet is we'll know on a screen by screen basis
I think this is a Samsung display demo and given that at least Alienware is mentioned, multiple brands will be involved in turning the panels into products.
Given the raw panel can do up to 90% of rec 2020, and 1000+ nit, if the vendors so choose, there should be SDR and DCI-P3 HDR calibred models available. But those will be much , much more expensive than the best buy floor TVs.
The potential issues go far wider than that - and Linus doesnt know any of them. Most HDR content today is mastered within DCI-P3, not the much larger bt2020. So you simply wont have content for a while, and the HDR standard uses bt2020 wrapping, meaning at one point you might have a swap over and trow out your old HDR content without the "standard" necessarily changing. (So the same thing where HDMI 2.0 is called 2.1... just on a different aspect (video containers)) So all the more saturated colors Linus saw - if they werent highlight details (very bright colors), they certainly arent in the most common HDR mastering standard yet. Or simply put, they shouldnt exist in the content. Its different with high brightness colors within DCI-P3 those run out of brightnes on WOLEDs, and get prepped up by the white subpixel. The issue in the video LTT posted is not that the content is "very bright", its that base colors (grass, gravel, ..) seem much brighter than on the LG OLED, even when Linus talked about feeding both 1000 nits content. That color difference there is inexplainable by anything other than Samsung running a brighter EOTF (gamma curve) intentionally going off standard. Because those colors should be displayed at 200nits to 400nits (closer to 200 nits) MAXIMUM, even while 1500 (or 1000) nits highlights were on screen. :) Also narrow cones on primary colors lead to increased color metamerism failure, this is where color science breakes, because human eyes' color matching function differs enough between individuals, that people dont agree on colors anymore. Which is an issue with quatum dots since Sony LCD days. But thats the most 'esoteric' out of the three, where color scientists would argue over how strongly it would affect populations. The other two issues are very real, and Linus hadnt any answers for them. He bought Samsung PR hookline and sinker. Everything was better color, because brighter - even though up to 300 nits LG should have color reproduction parity. So about that 1000nits neon grass next to the elch... That no HDR master would have if its was above DCI-P3 saturation.... And how about rewatching Lord of the rings in Vivid mode (because they werent mastered to bt2020, even if they used the bt2020 container... :) ).
From what linus is saying, there's two parts; one is just the brightness of the display compared to conventional ones, two is the relatively pure spectrum of its rgb components compared to rivals making it able to express pure colors more accurately.
I have a feeling while being technically objectively better, this might suffer the same problem as previous large leaps in TV tech in that most people just think cooler, bluer displays look better, even if it's not accurate. I have to say that in the side-by-side shots, I preferred the "normal" OLED because the QDOLED look OVER saturated and kinda.. fake. And yes, I realize I'm comparing on my own display, but it seems like that would only make it more severe in person.
The lack of color standards (or the use of them) makes these next gen screens useless. Their function is basically an oversaturation slider, because lots of content is still made for sRGB from the CRT days.
Though nowadays you'll find some games looking pretty washed out compared in sRGB which means that they are aiming for some undefined larger color space.
Thats just not the case as wOled had inherent color bias through the subpixel disposition.. QDots allow to exactly tune light wavelenght to reference colors with maximum efficiency.
The camera actually can’t capture the full brightness, so it makes it look over saturated compared to a dimmer screen. The video has a disclaimer saying it looks a million times better in person.
As long as display is technically capable, you can always tweak its color profile to your liking. And since QD-OLED features true RGB pattern, it will be much easier to tune than OLED
I just watched the video on a CX and honestly I agree. Sometimes the samsung looks better but mostly just oversaturated. Plus still no dolby vision on samsungs.
Samsung told Linus don’t forget to put the watch on too.
Cant wait to see the monitors with this tech. Exciting stuff
3:53 that moose pic looks awful on the QD OLED... LG looks just like i was there in person while Samsungs is like your phones "vibrant 200% extra colour" setting.
Exactly. 👍
It’s weird that Samsung themselves didn’t announce any OLED TVs yet, but Sony is already using Samsung’s QD-OLED panels in their newly-announced TVs. I guess that shows the difference between Samsung Displays & Samsung the TV manufacturer.
Sony uses LG panels
@@cosminlesutan3574 I mean the recently-announced high-end TVs that Sony showed off for CES.
@@cosminlesutan3574 No Sony’s new TV’s this year will use Samsung QD-OLED.
When the TV's more expensive than the house it's in :))))
Me looking at my 10 year old LG 42" 1080p IPS TV...
- "You'll last another 10 years, right?" ;)
Honestly, no matter how good new displays are, the fact that we don't have color bleed-, flickering and/or distortion anymore really removes my desire to stay on top. Sure I wish I had VRR on my old LG since the panel itself is capable of 120Hz. But the image is still good, even though it only covers most of the RGB space.
Its pretty refreshing to get a new tv tho
I used an old asf samsung tv until it died, it still had 3D but the features on it were ass like no youtube etc / really old clumsy web ui
@@Roshan_420 My LG has a really early version of smart TV, however during that time it was still an "extra service" it's a separate button and it has nothing to do with normal inputs/navigation/settings etc. I really enjoy simple TV's without smart services (or ad services so to speak) since they don't grow obsolete over time. I use the first Shield TV connected to mine. I have even forgotten that my TV has obsolete "smart functions" nowadays hahaha.
If you upgrade to an excellent 4K TV you'll be wondering why you didn't do it before. Store demos don't really do it justice. OLED offers the best quality, but if you're a hardcore user than the best LEDs really aren't far behind, they get far brighter and don't have any of the risks. Anyhow, your old stuff is only good enough because you don't know any better.
COPE
That's sure sound optimistic, I wonder if burn-in will even be an issue with this type of panel (since burn-in occurs when an individual colour organic LED pixel burn out and faded, since only has blue and rely on Quntum Dot filter to create other colours, they might just never have a burn-in image but just become faded over time instead)
I'll start by saying that on the OLED i've had for a year, using as a desktop monitor, I'm not seeing any burn in yet, so I think it very likely any new processes samsung has to reduce burn in will make it less likely to be an issue, but -
The only blue oled material and using quantum dot bit doesn't itself change anything. Burn in mainly becomes visible when subpixels are overused compared to the use of their overall pixel. Even with QD and "only" blue oled subpixels making up the pixel's lighting, each underlying sub-pixel is still mapped to an individual set of red and green QD elements (and just allowed to shine through for blue). So when the ESPN or CNN red logo is on the screen, only those blue light emitting, but red mapped subpixels are engaged, the remaining green and blue mapped subpixels are off. Leave that in place long enough, and those blue subpixels eventually begin to fade, while the blue subpixels that make up green and blue are still at full strength, and now when you got to show something other than solid red, suddenly, ya got burn in.
Do you realise even regular LEDs eventually get burn in?
It's not a matter if it's possible or not (because it's going to happen), but if it would be less of an issue on these new QD-OLEDs by delaying burn-in too long that it doesn't matter.
Actually blue is the most prone to burn-in, since it requires more voltage, but there are gains of efficiency to make up for that.
I can see the brightness increase and outdoor scenes where it's supposed to be sunny looks great. But from a aesthetic standpoint i kind of like how the WOLED scenes look more often than the QD OLED scenes. I feel like in some of them the brightness washed out some of the details you see in the darker OLED.
I also thought the QD was washed out
Umm I think thats just the camera. You can't film 2 different bright screens with a camera and assume to see all the details in both.
That might be caused by the display that you are watching it on. It looked good on mine, but I would have to see one in person before buying one (in about 2-3 years).
so you’re telling me yellow is gonna be the best color on here? Oh god i can only imagine how good DUNE would look
Quantum dots are super fascinating and are really fun to make in the lab. Exciting to see the tech coming to a mature point.
Sony already launched their new QD OLED TV using Samsung panels and yet Samsung hasn't launched any
Samsung Panel and TVs are technically made by different companies (subsidiaries) and they are independent from eachother.
@@SukoSeiti Yeah, it's kinda confusing...
sus 0:16
I love the clickbait title immediately toned down by the "sponsored by samsung" announcement