Cheap Mini-LED Monitors Are Taking Over the Market
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2023
- Finally, Mini-LED gaming monitors with a reasonable price tag! 576 zone full array local dimming, 160 Hz & 165 Hz and not much more expensive than a regular gaming monitor.
Color accuracy measurements & ICC Profile download:
KTC M27P20 Pro: bit.ly/M27P20P
KTC M27T20: bit.ly/M27T20-CA
Monitors in this video (affiliate links):
🛒 KTC M27P20 Pro: geni.us/6bi6
🛒 KTC M27T20: geni.us/FyQoL
🛒 Cooler Master GP27U: geni.us/wEc1A
🛒 Cooler Master GP27Q: geni.us/hvXYc7
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8:55 them headshots though 😲
I just found your channel not long ago (within a week). Your content is top notch and you have earned my subscription, Sir.
I would not have even heard of this brand if it weren't for your covering their products. Great work!
VA+mini led looks so much better than an IPS mini led monitor. Native contrast of the VA panel makes a huge difference to blooming and dark detail when combined w/ mini led.
@@k12rising G7 Neo, gtfo
But what about the vrr lag.
for color VA is good, but respond time of Hz IPS is more better than VA
@@syahrildesign9707 *contrast
VA panels have very bad viewing angles though. Not sure how it would end up being with a triple monitor VA setup.
interesting. seeing such cheap options makes me very optimistic about the whole mini led coming down in price a lot. hope it will be like how 4k came down in price a few years ago. super hyped for the mini led future!
miniled is bad for gaming dont get too hyped
seeing how its 'you get what you payed for', I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@chungisyoung4good like i said, 4k was also super expensive in the past. now u can get 4k for the same prices as HD few years ago. same goes for ips panels.
@@fxarts9755 that would be true IF the performance was the same at a lower price but its not. It slots as a lower tier product to the actual ones its being compared to. Therefore not pressuring any price drops. In fact its probably cementing those prices.
@@user-xg5lg4ow6f Nope. For gaming mini leds in HDR overall are even better than OLEDs. They are much brighter and the contrast is very good.
Picked up the M27P20 Pro recently and so far I am very impressed by it!
How is it holding up?
Thanks for the review. I almost bought this but the quirks with SDR is a dealbreaker for me. Here's hoping next gen models fixes this.
Never heard of this brand, thanks for the very detailed information of this monitor and brand !
perhaps they're new to the market and they're already killing it
@@rezwan_editnew to their own branded monitors specifically but have been in the game since the 90s
Good job KTC!!!
@@rezwan_edit KTC has been making monitors mostly as OEMs for other brands since 2003
Thank you so much for this excellent review of this technology. It is very helpful and much appreciated.
Fast, non-curved VA? 500+ zones? Under 500$?????? Shut up and take my money!
Isn't curving important for VA's viewing angles?
@@ValkryNLIt s horrible 💀 my experience with curved
@@sekir9694How so
Much needed KTC and couldn't be better timed, Thanks a lot!
Great vid with deep insight 👍🏻
impressive review. keep up the good work.
I emailed KTC and said the firmware update to enable freesync with local dimming on would be available by april 16th
Good job KTC!!
Great overview. Thanks. I've been wondering for the last 2-3 years why the mini-LED tech hasn't hit the consumer market at a price point for the average user. It seems strange to me that the tech isn't being utillised while OLED is now becoming available at a cheaper price point. I'd love to see the mini-LED as a standard and for it to be available in sRGB and standard colour setting as the consumer would benefit from great picture quality and not be afraid of burn-in. But here's the question; will it? What will come first I wonder. OLED no longer suffering from burn-in or mini-LED at all picture/panel settings?
The burn in is still there.
OLED comes with obsolescence built in at the tech level, MiniLED will last you a decade easy.
As for which one will get it's problems fixed... neither will ever. Burn in is fundamental to OLED technology. It can't be "fixed". In terms of contrast and color performance, MiniLED ought to be able to catch up with OLED pretty quickly... if there's investment. But even then, OLED is probably still going to be superior in terms of response time, since switching an LED on or off is always going to be faster than the liquid crystals in an LCD literally moving to block light or let it through.
The real solution for both of these, and kind of where you end up anyways as you "fix" their problems, is MicroLED, aka, OLED except with non organic LEDs that don't have a built in chance to degrade, or miniLED when zone count = pixel count and you can just get rid of the LCD. That or AMQLED, which is MicroLED except the LEDs are based on quantum dots.
When either of those will come to market... who knows. Samsung is allegedly releasing a MicroLED TV for the low low price of.... $80,000. How long that will take to get down to something reasonable, if ever, who knows.
As for AMQLED, some Chinese company released a tech demonstrator a while back, but I haven't seen any rumors of anyone trying to go commercial with them, and I've seen some studies bringing up issues with... burn in.
@@FNLNFNLN quality reply
The answer to the final question is neither. MicroLED or another technology entirely will overtake MiniLED before it gets near that performance level.
There is also something that Samsung is working on:
The basic idea is that you have an OLED display if a single color and a filter that "produces the final color". Tha backlight is an OLED basically. (QDOLED if I am not mistaken)
This allows for more resistant OLED, while having multiple colors
I wouldn't have heard of these brands if it wasn't you. Thanks man!
its coming.
next gen monitors. hell yeah !!!!
Love your videos.
Blooming doesn't bother me. I think this is the best alternative to OLED, without the high price, and many of the advantages.
i was looking for a second affordable monitor and that sceptre one might be perfect. and since its a second monitor it doesnt need to be a good monitor so thanks for haveing that there cuz i might buy it
Still waiting for a 32inch Oled or MiniLed at 144hz+ that does all this stuff at around 800ish€
KTC M32P10 Miniled might be your choice
The Samsung neo G7 has twice as many zones and is 32 inches. Might be the right one for you, though it is a little more expensive.
@@KTC1995 when will this one release in Europe? Couldn't find much info on it.
You'll have to wait quite a while
@@DandyDude Sadly and super annoyingly so.
This is the info that I need!!!
Jeez, only 11 months later and prices have come down to 329$ on sale form KTC
Got my Innocn 27M2V 4K 160Hz Mini LED with 1152 dimming zones a couple weeks ago. Blows away my old 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz non Mini LED screen.
Awesome monitor!!may i ask whats the difference between this and the M27T20 except for the refresh rate?
I have bought the VA one. Very satisfied with the performance, no defects, and some of the issues mentioned have already been resolved by firmware update. Still cannot use 165Hz with HDR. So far I wanted to take advantage of the miniLED local dimming and HDR by watching a movie. Big problem are dark scenes, especially everything that is near black. You are basically watching a black screen, all shadow detail is gone. Bright colorful scenes are amazing.
Have the same monitor. Can use 165Hz in HDR by creating a custom resolution in Nvidia control panel but will disable DSR. Not sure how to do this with AMD if that’s what you have
@@josil708 for me the 144Hz is not a big deal. The way too dark hdr in movies is way worse.
I just want to add more information. I have resolved the issue with too dark HDR. The problem was that I was using an older version of Kodi, which was doing HDR tone mapping wrong. When I updated Kodi to the latest version, there is a specific option for HDR tone mapping that can be enabled. Shadow detail is still not the best, for example the famous House of the Dragon episode is still unwatchable, but that is the case on many good TVs as well.
how is the dimming in SDR? Is it good?
@@donsly375 no dimming is never good in SDR on any monitor
Edit: for desktop use. For games and videos it is fine
Think I’m going to buy the KTC one. It’s actually similar in price to the non-mini-LED gaming monitors with similar features, including 90W USBC for MacBook Pros.
What about the gp27q
Much needed and couldn't be better timed
Hello there, and thank you for the settings! May I ask, the ICC profile is for SDR or HDR (ICC advanced)? Cheers!
Great review! If I understood correctly, I can turn off HDR and local dimming while doing office work. and the display will turn to a basic IPS, there will be no blooming?
Some context for my plans:
I am looking to buy a new display (actually my first display in 20 years as I was only using laptops due to spatial constraints). My main computer will be a Mac (MBP14 I currently already own). I am planning to do some music production, occasional really basic video edit, otherwise it will be more or less office work (reading pdfs, writing documents, preparing presentations).
Additionally I plan to connect a Playstation 5 to the same display.
At first I was looking at Ultrawide displays, but they are no good for PS5 and also only 1440p. I understand Mac OS has limitations with scaling & 1440p is a great resolution for the system. I am afraid the jagged text and my OCD with pixel peeping would go into overdrive...
So next I settled on the Gigabyte M32u, but it has the problem, of only 15W PD via USB C, so there is no way to have only one cable going to my MBP. Next I came across the Cooler Master and eventually the KTC. I hate that they are 27", as I went to a local Media Markt and sat at a desk with a 27" monitor and next 32" one, and the 32" seem like a sweet spot to me... But coming from a tiny 14" laptop screen, 27" will seem huge once home with no 32" monitor next to it.
900p gamer here. I really advise this resolution at this price point, especially if you play shooters/battle royale. It can be really easy to spot enemies that are far. $799 would be affordable
NICE , PERFECT i really want those prices go down to be honest the monitor manufacturers have being soo greedy at maintaining those daamm high prices in the market i hope we see soon decent HDR monitor below the 200 dollar mark
As a tech guy who’s been in the industry since the 80’s,.. the advances and improvements in technology is just mindblowing.
Every now and then a single product comes along and sets the bar at a new level. It doesn't necessarily have to succeed commercially (they often don't) but take the Game Gear, the PSP or the M1 MacBook. They raise what "acceptable standards" for the industry are and then you can never really go back.
Monitors haven't really advanced that far, TVs have. Most monitors are being made at 250 nits. Most monitor companies are hyper focused on Hz that by next year, 2000Hz will be the main reason to upgrade from the thousands of sub models each company releases. Picture quality is still not priority and yes that includes giving consumers the ability to choose a screen finish
so are the improvements in pricing.
these monitors push way ahead of 250 nits
This is an awesome review, great information. I ordered the M27T20 on Amazon and should hopefully have it by Feb 15th.
Thank you for this coverage... Very interesting for all these details that are crucial to know!
Cool video 👍
A comparison with the AOC Q27G3XMN would be amazing. Seems like a comparable monitor. Although I've heard that the europe version (AOC Q27G3XMN/bk) seems to have firmware issues regarding the srgb color space. A video comparison would be amazing.
The updated firmware for the KTC M27T20 is now available. VRR/g-synch now works with local dimming. Brightness and color adjustment are still locked while in HDR mode.
I bought the monitor because of this video and an mostly happy with it. No dead pixels, BLINDING brightness, and minimal blooming. Color is over saturated, especially in the cyans. The warm color temperature setting is still too cool for my eyes. Reading black text on a white background is uncomfortable. Previous monitor was a Dell Ultrasharp IPS U2410.
So the monitor is too bright? My room is pretty dark most of the time so I'm wondering if this is too bright for me.
@@gentle_singularity Possibly. It gets dim enough to game comfortably in a dark room. Not quite dim enough for falling asleep with a movie on.
@@deereboy8400how much did you pay for it?
In VRR and HDR simultaneously, is overdrive setting also locked?
And did you experience any flickering using both VRR , HDR and Local Dimming at the same time?
@@tomek_l
All overdrive settings are available when HDR and VRR are enabled.
Flicker is only a problem when HDR is off, local dimming is at the higher two settings, and brightness and contrast are turned way down.
MiniLED is definitely the future because it's cheaper and theoretically not inferior to OLED at all. If one day somebody figures out how to put 1920*1080 zones into a panel, thing will look very very bad for OLED as it has much worse lifespan compare to MiniLED.
Micro-LED is basically what you described, each pixel is its own dimming zone, or more accurately its just oled but the lighting element for each pixel is a non organic compound which makes it an LED as opposed to the carbon based organic element used in OLED (which causes burn in and lower brightness)
there is another monitor called Titan Army 27A6MR. not sure its available in your country market but if does i would love to see a review on it. it got similar spec
Nice video. Pls could you review the gigabyte g24f 2 ?? Or a comparison between the gigabyte g24f and g24f 2 ? Thank you
Kind of leaning towards these, KTC fixed the issues with a firmware update, were you able to test the new firmware?
Very informative video. Was surprised to learn that the mini-led feature only works properly if there is software that can utilize it.
Great video! Thank you very much! May i ask if you are from Germany or Austria? 😅😄
My monitor is 1080p with 60 refresh rate but my friend said I should get one or more with higher.because the experience is unbelievable.it’s actually affordable tho
Gutes Video!
How does the local dimming and switching between sdr and hdr now look after firmware update? An update short video would be great.
is the KTC M27T20 fine for gaming considering the VA Panel or is there too much ghosting/smearing?
I received today the Redmagic 4k 160hz mini-led with 1152 dimming zones, and it Is amazing!!! $869 (launched April 6th), and they don't charge tax here in the US.
The monitor Is much better, and cheaper than my Sony Inzone M9 by a huge margin. It works flawlessly with hdr, local dimming, vrr, and 160hz enabled at the same time with no issues at all, Zero flickering.
They don’t charge tax?
You mean they have taxes included in their prices…
@techless, have you got the chance to check the new firmware? Maybe a follow-up video if you still have the 2k monitor available :)
I wonder if that FreeSync added lag on the VA-model is fixed or if this fixable. I use VRR always in every situation.
I wonder how the black smearing is in the VA model? Does the local dimming help mitigate it?
Hi, images on VA panel look more saturated than on IPS. Could you comment on that? When viewing in real life, do colors on pro version with IPS panel look more pleasing? Would you be able to do video editing on VA panel?
I tried following the download link for your ICC profile for the m27t20, but I couldn't get the file to download? I remember one of your older videos mentioning the file should pop up via google, but that didn't happen, instead I was prompted to open an app I do not have. Is this working as intended?
what wallpaper do you use on your setup ?
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Thanks for the info...
Will either display in HDR for creativity or editing.?
Regards ✌🏾
Could you do a review of the "legendary" Gigabyte G24F 2. Apparently an updated v2 came out.
You're the best monitors reviewer period 💛
Incredible. I just ordered the m27t20 yesterday. Doesn’t arrive until March though. I’m ok with using it as a 144 hz panel (given the 160 hz limitations) and I always have hdr on in windows with my oled tv (looks fine to me and I’ll just be gaming on the thing anyway) but lack of vrr+hdr+local dimming is an absolute deal breaker. I’ll be returning it within the 30 day return period if they don’t update it like coolmaster did. I would have just got the coolmaster but it’s been sold out forever. Anyway, huge thank you for the review!
I think that KTC mentioned that a firmware update is on the way to fix the issue and let you have VRR+local dimming at the same time like Cooler Master did. Let me know if you hear anything about it please, I'm very interested in M27T20 as well.
I want to know why VRR is such a big thing. The display also has FreeSync / G-sync and that should be enough.
@@FirstMomentsOf vrr is a synonym for g sync, free sync, adaptive sync these days. Bottom line, this display can’t do any of those things when local dimming is active which is a huge handicap
Fwiw, I returned the monitor. Still no update.
@@Keivz oh man, that's a bummer. What did you think of it in general?
Time to check out Innocn 27M2V as well
Please can you review the Philips momentum 3000 24 inch IPS monitor?
I was thinking that my eyes get less tired with cfl light. few years back I bought at the auction a monitor for that reason and I still use it.
right now u just have to manually switch on local dimming while enjoying hdr content, and keep it off for daily browsing and gaming, you have to consider the local dimming lag too when gaming
even the best asus miniled model had to compromise with this mini led flaw
Can you please review gigabyte g27f 2 . Thanks 🙏
From my understanding even if you can't turn HDR in desktop mode it still have great colour coverage and is very good for colour work?
Love your content, Could you review GIGABYTE G27Q 68.58 cm (27") 144Hz 1440P Gaming Monitor please....
Any news about the HDR enabled with adaptive sync firmware update?
Great content! May I know the wallpaper of the thumbnail? Thanks!
Amazing how far from good-support of HDRI computers (OS, monitors) are, when more-less common TVs has this for few years. I even think spending money on TV (to use as display) maybe a better idea.
we are all waiting for 4k 165hz RGB oled with perfect white on black..
Nice Video! Can you review the xiaomi mi 2k gaming monitor 27" a budget monitor with WQHD IPS 165hz 95% DCi-p3 and 100% sRGB and 400nits- idk if it's a good price/value the spec sheets look decent and you can buy it n germany for 300 Euros atm. But there are almost no 3thrd Party reviews. Would you still recommend it?
Seems like a good deal tbh
I wish Linus tech tips would take notes on your chill style. I love how you don't scream.
Can usb data transfer be sent over that usb-c port which also sends video output and power? Like use that 2 usb ports on it?
Hallo Techless, sehr informatives Video. Viele Dank! Weißt du ob KTC das Update, welches VRR mit local dimming möglich macht schon veröffentlicht hat?
Ich bin zwar nicht Techless, aber da ich den Monitor selbst Samstag bekommen habe: Das entsprechende Update findest du auf der Seite von KTC unter Downloads (runterscrollen). VRR (in meinem Falle GSync) + LD funktioniert problemlos mit dem FW-Update. Kleiner Hinweis: In der Anleitung steht man solle den Stick mit Fat formatieren, funktionierte bei mir aber nicht, NSFT hat dann aber geklappt.
@@RemD-pn9of
Hi,
paar Fragen wenn du so nett bist als Besitzer:
1) Ist nach dem Firmware Update die Helligkeit in HDR gesunken wenn Local Dimming + VRR + HDR gleichzeitig aktiviert ist?
2) Kann man die Helligkeit einstellen wenn HDR aktiviert ist oder ist es ausgegraut?
3) Ist die Helligkeit in HDR/SDR in der Nacht in einem Raum ohne Licht akzeptabel oder zu hell?
@techlessYT, thanks for this video! Would it be possible to get a video on other gaming monitors with usb-c? There are not a lot of high refresh rate monitors out there with usb-c. The reason why I am asking this is because I would like to use the monitor both for work (usb-c adds some convenience) and gaming. Also, would it be possible to cover why a lot of the new monitors do not come with usb-c out of the box (I guess price plays some role here)? The new LG monitors look awesome but for some reason they do not add usb-c. At this price I would expect this port to be there.
Do you have a link for that wallpapper?
In HDR sieht der VA Monitor viel besser aus als der IPS. Ich habe ein bisschen Lust auf den 1440p Monitor, da er ein gutes VA Panel hat, dass auch einen hohen Farbraum hat und womit man wohl einigermaßen geschmeidig daddeln kann. Ich weiß jedoch nicht ob meine Augen und mein Kopf das vertragen, da ich seit 2019 ca auf 4K zocke (28 Zoll und 32 Zoll).
honestly if you can't afford or don't want to get an oled, you could get a va monitor of the newest generation.
I've got the aoc agon ag275qxn which is around 300-320 $/€ and i really like it. It's flat(!), 1440 p and the colors and contrast are amazing! plus it has a faster panel than older va monitors so the typical side effects of va monitors really arent't that noticable if you're not looking for them with a microscope. Sure it's not an oled but for the money i'm really happy with it . Liebe Grüße 😜
How does mini-LED compare to OLED? I heard OLED was much better, totally another level. But maybe it was said by people who followed the OLED marketing hype and are now justifying their expensive purchase.
It feels wrong to have OLED for PC, for the concern of burn-in. I wouldn't be able to use it normally. OLED would be only good for movies/gaming, so as a TV.
I want to upgrade my monitor now, and am thinking, should I take a 4K mini-LED? IPS or VA.
watch the Hardware unboxed test he compared miniLES to OLED and his conclusion was that miniLED with a lot of zones gives you pretty much OLED blacks
@@stanislavkimov2779 a good quality mini-LED will give an oled a run for its money, part of it is oled marketing however if you REALLY want absolute perfect blacks 100% of the time then oleds are for you, and if you want the 100% best gaming monitor then oleds are for you, however mini-led monitors will give you way better brightness and often colors as well for a lower price, and consequently you will get a better monitor for the same price as a 4k 160hz miniled with stunning colors will set you back just as much as a 1440p 144hz oled monitor with subpar colors.
I have an issue with mine where it doesn’t seem that bright in HDR did you have a similar issue
Woher hast du die gekauft? Ich kann die beiden nicht auf Amazon finden..Bei otto gibts der non pro version aber es kostet fast 600 eur....
1440p variant of Cooler Master has IPS panel from AUoptronics, and 1440p KTC got HVA panel, don't know which. Want to point that out, it's a huge difference. 4k got same panels I think.
Got the non pro with firmware 2.0.4 but can't find any info anywhere what does it do or what are the diffrences, auto HDR mode is gone and replecments are off, standard, Movie and HDR600. also local dimming is now auto, standard or high... also this firmware hasen't been uploaded to ktc site... thinking there might be hardware diffrences..
Hi, i wanna have a new Monitor, which would you choose for gaming, i play both fps and Singleplayer games, Dell S2721dgf, KTC h27t22 or KTC M27T20?
Thank you already
Well, those annoyances are a shame. These monitors could become the absolute best if HDR didn't grey out basically every setting.
Hopefully that firmware update will fix it.
thats typical with nearly every HDR capable monitor
Its false information in the Video. Thats Windows when you enable HDR. U need to adjust every setting then in Windows itself
@@herrerkan yeah but the Freesync incompatibility with Local Dimming/HDR is false too? I want to buy it, but this downside is pushing me away from this product
@@iKrieGtube For my last 3 Monitors HDR with G or Freesync glitched always. I recommend not using G/F-Sync in general, above 120 FPS is much more useful. Also with them enabled you get a bit of Inputlag, which is very noticible
@@heatnup6899 the MacBook pro 16 inch's display does this perfectly. HDR on constantly, it's mini-led but blacks are always dark, even in non-HDR content. near no blooming, and the colors are fantastic.
Do you have any KTC M27T20 profile for HDR?
Is ghosting a big problem with these VA panels?
micro or mini led will be my next, but I want it in 32-34 inch 3440x1440 resolution
Alright! So, once I get my new job and a little disposable income, I think I'm settled on getting an Oled TV for movies and light gaming, and a mini-led monitor for my pc and heavy gaming, seeing as how they don't get burn-in like oleds.
Hey techless could you suggest me a monitor that is 1440p, ips and 240hz or more? My budged is around 800/1000$ and i was thinking about the AW2723DF, but im not sure it is the best in terms of latency and handling blurriness compared to the others on that price range. The thing is that most monitors in europe are either not available or insanely overpriced so if you could tell me like your top 3 suggestions it would be great.
Sorry about my bad english, love your content, keep up the good work
Lg27gr95qe I have it it's 1440p OLED 240 it's great
now we have mini led displays under $300. I just bought one and its really great.
which one did you get under $300?
idk guys. I bought ktc m27t20 (1440p VA) and the blacks are really something you want, but I really mind that when you have areas that are only 50 light up you can see that back light is also turned down. so you are in situation when differnt between fully light up part of screen vs part of screen thats light up only for 50% brightness is higher than it should be. because pixels are set to block 50% of the light and then another 50% its taken from local dimming and its just looks like a broken monitor to me sometimes.
plus whole hdr 1000 isnt good. like do you really want to get your eyes burned out in your evening play? it might be goog if you play in summer day, but i dont. i personally bought it with the hope for better blacks... and it's doing it in some ways, but in other ways it's ruining it.
i'll probably going to return it. and I'll also sell my IPS monitor and just buy a VA panel. it has better blacks than IPS and with the good VA you should see smearing. i would be really happy if i could just buy this same version of the monitor without the mini-LED. i know that i can just turn off the local dimming, but that would be a waste of money.
one day maybe I'll just buy woled monitor.
great video!
I dont know why 80% of the new tech youtubers I discover are german but I am not complaing :)
is the m27t20 available in germany ? i can't find it anywhere
How do they perform with a Mac? / can Dolby Vision content be displayed?
How does the M27T20 handle dark smearing?
Can't wait for QD-OLED to get cheap. It'll happen eventually, mark my words!
More likely though I'd love to go for a Micro LED monitor but they're expensive 0-0
$800 for the Alienware AW3423DWF or $900 for the Samsung Odyssey G8 are pretty damn good!
Can you rewiew the ktc h27s17?
Having owned Samsung Neo G8, I feel like the 576 zones are not enough to have the best experience for the 27-inch screen.
it's enough for that price considering that mid range TV's have 100-300 zones, if you want the best shell out more cash
when do you think the first 4k 120+hz 27" 500+ zone monitors will come out that dont have annoying quirks and 4k 120+ oled 27" monitors
oh there already is a few out, at the moment the most competitively priced one is the innocn 27M2V which will set you back around $799 USD or $1129 CAD. It is a 4k 160Hz monitor with 1152 dimming zones and vesa displayhdr1000 certified.
@@heroninja1125 yeah was looking at that one but i live in australia and it has like 250usd import fees