Starting Our Careers - Our challenges and what we wish we knew
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2021
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Hahaha lemme say this.... I went for an interview at around 22 years for the promotion jobs and guess who was my interviewer? Just Ivy! This woman is tough! (I'm not complaining) We were a group of like 10 ladies and we all failed!! We went again for a different interview which Ivy was still the boss...I got the job,got to work with her and it was the best experience. Trust me since then she became one of the women I look upto...that's way kitambo even before Over 25...
oh wow! Thank you for your kind words! Please find me on IG? I'd love to catch up.
Hahahah @ njoki I remember this interview.Ivy was very tough on us and it was for the best
@@justivyafrica4526 - Wait, if that girl was 22yrs old, (before #OVER25) then Ivy was 19yrs old, right?? Ivy is type A through and through. How do I know? Because i am too. She is what some would call an acquired taste, but once you get to know her, she is a FAIR person! I don’t care what people say about Ivy, because I think she is more than fair. Good job, Ivy. 👏 👏
Yoooooo!!!!puchie is my baby sister!!!!!!!!she just finished university!!!!she loves you guys...she introduced me to this channel💕💕💕
I am a HR.... and I felt the attack by Julia 😂
About the CV, here is a standard format:
1. Contact info-name, email, and mobile
2. Personal profile- market yourself in a paragraph
3. Skill- both hard and soft
4. Work experience-( focus on achievement more than a whole hundreds list of responsibilities)
5. Education
6. Additional info
7. Rerences
NB: No one has time to read a lot of stories on over 100 CVs sent for a single post, because unfortunately thats how it is, so many unemployed people, one job receives hundreds of applications. An ATS software is mostly used to track keywords relevant to a job. So customise your Cv based on the job you are applying.
Thanks
Please elaborate on number four, maybe give an example? Also always wondered about the essence of a cover letter. What do you look at?
Also does tarmacking work. Like budging in offices and asking for opportunities or should you just apply online?
Also these days your LinkedIn is your resume
Hey...so how do you frame an achievement for instance? Say in a healthcare setting
@@emmamwanza2138 on work experience.. Try to indicate what you achieved in your previous position, that is if you are not a fresh graduate. By achievement it would be something like a contribution that led to better performance, an innovation, an improvement, meeting goals, etc. For example, a customer care personel could state "I developed and implemented a customer satisfaction survey tool that helped the company to measure the extent of customer satisafaction." That is a just an example.....
Does walking to offices help, I would say, there is no absolute answer for that question dear. But there is no harm in trying.
I hold the HR office at my firm and I have interviewed quite a number of people. My advice on CVs is send your resume in PDF opposed to word. My take is that it's a lot like a proposal where you don't want the recipient to change aspects of your work and it is simpler to be cautious in PDF than word
In interviews I would say that most people don't respond to sad stories. Don't lean on pity for the hire. Don't cry, don't give your life story, just work with your credentials and have them rep you. So many girls cry in interviews and I think it is not the most charming way to get hired.
Parting shot, never bad mouth your previous employer
Great episode guys!
Makes allot of sense to me. Thanks for sharing
What's bad mouthing though? I feel it is quite telling to not want someone to say what their bad experiences were. You guys also need to change the narrative
I agree. Never bad mouth a previous employer at an interview no matter what. Keep all that and share it after you get the job. The company may perceive you as a potentially divisive influence, who when the going gets tough may fall back to your established habit of blaming you employer first, potentially spreading negativism and harming the morale of your coworkers
@@savanaahful Absolutely! Companies spend a lot on staff morale and they don't need a new hire to wreck that.
You could also give the idea that you're potentially litigious and no employer wants to end up at the ELRC
@@JulieMwamburi While I fully agree with you Julie, I gotta say that getting a job is like scoring a new client. Your worth is pegged on your strategy and pitch. Better to have a good one and win than have a weak one and cry foul
The Toxic & healthy work environment should be the next topic of discussion
This was educative
Yes!!! I think there is even a Kenyan Twitter account on it. @toxicworkspaces
Yes, do this topic too
Yes, please do a video on this.
I second this
This topic is hardly discussed and it affects the employee in many aspects, from morale, to mental and physical health. The saddest bit is most toxic environments are found to also underpay employees because the employers know the job situation in Kenya.
One of the painful lessons I learnt was to never assume loyalty back. You may be loyal to them but don’t expect anything from them.
The truth is that while academic education is important and helps you gain the ability to read, write, and solve mathematic problems, it doesn’t prepare you for the real world, it's your responsibility to learn more and be versatile as well. Thank you so much guys for sharing your experiences, helps a lot.❤️
Hi @pinchez maish nice to see you here
Shiks I felt that story you gave of the older woman..Unfortunately broken girls become broken "older women" The best thing you can do for yourself as a young lady is to work on your brokenness...Whole girls grow into whole women and it's beautiful to watch them not only blossom, but lift others along the way ❤️
'Broken girls become broken "older women"...#facts! This transcends all corners, motherhood as well. Other people carry unresolved childhood trauma with them, from home to the workplace and aren't aware that their actions now results from things they haven't dealt with.
@Catherine Ngunjiri that's so mind-blowing to me. I used to get so absolutely shocked about older women who are mean, unaware and generally emotionally immature. Growth is not automatic. One must work on it!
One thing they don't teach about CVs is that there is no such thing as one size fits all. You have to cater your CV to the job and/company you are applying for.
For some, the emphasis is your education, others it's your experience, etc. You NEED to research the organization and know which one they are more interested in.
And how to sell your experience when you are younger - that attachment, that side hustle, that holiday job you went to, the hawking you do, etc. There are so many soft skills you master there, but you see CVs and someone just doesn't capitalize on the soft skill learnt on those odd jobs.
Experience does not mean white-collar job experience only.
I remember in my early work years I had to quickly learn to manouvre those sexual harassment stories. I basically acted a fool and pretended I didn't get when a guy was hitting on me. I ended up being called naive and clueless and also 'virgin Mary'. But that was my mechanism, nowadays I am very clear to steer conversation towards business so guys just leave you alone.
On the sisterhood front, yo! I get that Bravado thing, I remember once I just asked my Manager what exactly the issue is because I got tired of trying to figure out why I made her so mad. And she didn't have anything of value to say and I pissed her off more for being straight up. To the point I was taken to Hr but when I asked what the exact issue is so that I can rectify, she also couldn't pinpoint it. So basically just be you, don't let anyone intimidate you. Do your job, be a team player with colleagues and maintain high performance. Watanuna, watachoka.
That thing for acting a fool is real! Keep to myself, do your work, get un and get out. You'll be called "too quiet" but it kind of works. It's also been my mechanism. And it's crazy that we even have to do this or think about it. I hope it is better for the next generation especially now that we're having these conversations openly.
This is exactly what I had to hear, in my previous job ( professional internship) I tried making friends being a terrific team player, when I did my first mishap I was immediate cut off and fired from the internship, I had only worked for a month.
Ohh! I remember having a serious confrontation with a few of my line managers when I was younger. At times I think they have their own issues, some think you are going to take their jobs and start bringing you down or creating issues for you. At times personally I believe I still had not matured emotionally to handle people and the only way was to make a scene or a big deal. I do much better now when it come to work disagreements
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We need a part 2 of this!!!! Addressing the workplace; the environment and how to maneuver... etc. This was good.
In this world, no one knows what they are doing. The person you wishing to be a mentor, don't think they are good enough. It is all perception.
The investment industry has come a long way, back then the MMF and other liquid investments had a minimum investment amount of like Kes 1m which later changed to Kes 100k, then Kes 1k then today most do like Kes. 500 bob. This was mainly coz of the limited amount of fund managers in the country so with every new entry we got more flexible requirements coz every new player needed a market share as they joined the industry. Similar to banking and loans, new players in the market meant new ways of doing stuff. Imagine how high end banking was before Equity.
I'm finishing school this year.. I needed this 😭😭...
Legit 😱me too
Me too
Same here 😅😅😅
Me too
Mentoring is very good for fresh graduates and people who are switching careers ; coaching is for people trying to go a step higher in their career . Role model can be someone you can shadow ( see how they do what they do to emulate )
Ivy do aka episode on growing and saving money for young people ,it will really be helpful
True, and we have many financial opportunities out there even when you are young. You just need to be aware of them and be willing to do it. Most young people think of here and now, think bigger
Please do
Please check out her channel (JustIvy ) - there is alot of info there
This is def the most underrated channel, the content 👌🏾
The reason I excitedly look forward to Mondays! thank you! love you all!
There is always room for growth, doesn't happen in a day and you don't need to have it all figured out. Great Episode 😍
But Jules we need a makeup tutorial for this look!!
I was planting spinach on my shamba as I listened to this and it was the best planting session ever! When the discussion ended I had done way more than I thought I would thanks to how engrossed I was. Didn’t even feel the effort 😂.
These are incredibly important discussions needed to be had continuously, as you mentioned at the start! Thank you.
Thanks for this video. These are necessary conversations. I remember in one of my jobs the head of HR said women should stop getting pregnant because it wasn't the company's business. And yes, the head was female! Another horrible thing is that some job interviews have become hazing experiences where interviewers are looking to belittle and embarrass others.
Am cringing just thinking of someone saying something that insensitive.
I am in HR and I will tell you women are their worst enemies. HR was not first career choice. It is one of those careers I am in to make money and survive. However, I have come to love it but sadly most HR professionals who are women are known to be mean.
These convos are so raw and I can't help myself than being absorbed into them.
Career readiness course is a thing guys...I live and work in Kibra and that's one of the courses our youth in Kibra are constantly going through..
Yaaasss!!! Came looking for a new video only to see you posted 3 minutes ago!!
Let's go! #Over25Mondays 💃🏾💃🏾💃🏾
The discussion on CVs was gold... Especially the fact that there seems to be no clear format or standard and it varies depending on the employer. They really should make it clear the kind of CV they want.
I think this is the most empowering episode from you. It just opened my eyes on things that I have experienced or seen other people go through in the work environment, rn I can look back and think "..omg, that was sexual harassment'' and I had no idea at that point in time. Another frustrating category are the ones who think they can order you around in the workplace and you cant say anything coz of "Respect for Elders", wtf. I remember this one time a colleague of mine who is even younger than me thought that it was okay, and I had to explain to her why it is not okay coz your opinions matter and how other people treat you and make you feel also matters.
God knows how many times I skip this channel... Watched Jules vlog with Bobby... Then today I was like why not 21 minutes in and I like it here
Thank you so so so much. I needed this as I am transitioning to a new working environment. Love you girls!
This is my favourite episode so far because it gave me hope. I have been tarmacking for a long time. Lornzie thank you for bringing that point up
I've been glued here just absorbing all this!!good content guys 👏🏾👏🏾
Y'all are glowing😭sheeesh!
Love the video
I just learn so much each day... y'all are a version of my over 25 I want to become..much love from +255.
Lornzie, Jules, Ivy & Shikie please next show educate us on saving /Investing in shares most of us are so green on that field...#over25mondays #over25
Oh, you can also start by watching Rina Hicks on youtube. Her channel is called Money Wise, on different investments in Kenya
I'm catching up and my oh my this was such a good episode. Thank you for talking about mean people in the office because i've gone through the most with these group of people. Good job ladies!!
Thanks for doing this episode, currently trying to negotiate my pay raise and I have taken note of things that I should highlight while prepping for the discussion. Love from Nigeria
I am seeing sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much growth in all of you!! I am a whole 40-something lady and I always enjoy your content!
It's unbelievable how identical African countries are and how very similar our challenges are, am watching from Uganda and I can literally relate to every single challenge you amazing ladies mentioned. 4 years after campus, I still wonder why I did the course I did. Career guidance from a very young age should be adopted.
I love you guys so much, ya'll are really the big sister's that I need in my life!
As Jules said, it all depends with your career. In aviation especially for pilots and flight dispatchers you have to study like literally go to your books revise every unit. Most airlines first interview is a written exam other airlines its an oral exam.
From years as a hiring manager especially internationally - look into the CULTURE of the company. It’ll answer a lot of questions you brought up especially dress code and type of CV. Your cv tip to keep it brief and include an achievement is applicable world over.
Remember you’re also interviewing the company! The other side of the picture is maybe you don’t want to work for people who don’t focus on your results or have a culture that’s very far from your values and beliefs. A good hiring manager knows that the best talents are also interviewing them.
Cool episode! Fits you guys well! Happy to share more tips especially for Europe.
The last point hit hard! Some women are threatened by others’ achievements and would even begin working for your disapproval.
You guys are so informative. Honestly you're the best thing on the Internet for me. I have learnt a lot. Thank you
These women are knowlegeable AF! Keep educating us guys, thanks. Also, If you would, please do a full topic on the rising cases of sexual assaults.
Very informative video, should definitely have a part 2. Y’all look very beautiful as always❤️
I agree with Lorna. It depends on the position you are interviewing for. Entry level position interviews are different from more senior positions. Even for some entry level positions like Management Trainees you go through like 3 stages..starting with an aptitude test, the a second and final interview. I attended an EABL one years ago, for a Management Trainees positio and wueh! First stage..3hr aptitude. Stage 2, half day activity with Group discussions and case study with presentations...!
The squad is back🔥🔥.Naona Jules hakupata memo ya all white top🤔😂. Very interesting episode(walk the talk) . Nawapenda bure💕💕.
Thanks for doing an entire hour for us.. woooww. Like before you watch guys❤️
Watched this at the right time...just finished uni and I'm currently applying for jobs.I've learnt alot
So back in Uni we had something we called SLV (Salt leavers something). SALT was a church ministry for youth main ly in college and in Uni and since the church was inside UON it meant 99% of the guys were in UON. Anyhu so the last year we'd have different courses by the alumni who left SALT come prepare us for the job market. We'd do like a 3 month course on CV writing, we'd do dummy interviews (proper coz the alumni were senior managers in their line of work). We'd also do courses and case studies from the alumni entrepreneurs etc. This really helped me out. The one thing i wish i was prepared for is something similar to ponyoka na fresher. We had events in school (1st month) then 3rd years would come intentionally to date or have a one night stand with freshmen. People should know that most work places are similar and prey on the freshest thing in the office.
Hapo kwa mentors! I totally agree with Jules and Ivy! I am still looking for one and also a mentee. Coz I think it's important to pull someone. And yes you need someone who has chemistry with.... so finding one can be tricky
Thank you so much for this! As a young professional I learnt so much from this!
It'll be great to bring in professionals that can discuss some of the points discussed in this video i.e job searching, mentorship, HR
Love you girls! From a retired general in the area of career development many useful nuggets!!! 😘
As a uni student who’ll be graduating in 2 months with a job in my field of study already, I can’t say how lucky I feel.
What's your field of study?
@@ramsyrama Finance
@@mariemwangi819 connection?
@@ramsyrama yep
@@mariemwangi819 sensed so anyway be careful you don't remove your panty later on when you are in the office
This was a very interesting episode, very informative conversation and I really needed it. Thanks guys!
Such an insightful episode. Really enjoyed it and more than that learnt a lotttttttt. Hope you can actually get to doing the things you kept saying we should discuss this further. Love you guys💞
Great video guys!! Thank you for sharing your experiences!
This conversation was so amazing and so enlightening... Thanks so much, ladies!
wow, I have watched this at the perfect time thank youuu @Over twenty-five. I am at my first Job but am experiencing almost most of the things you have mentioned. Thanks so much
A CV should contain at least 5-7 roles and responsibilities per role you have held or at least a brief description of the activities you do/have done at the role, remove ID number, gender, marital status, tribe and all these bio data. Your cv and cover letter should be relevant to the job you are applying for and have achievements like Julia said. Save as pdf with your last name then first name.
Before an interview, do market research to help in negotiating the salary. Do research on how to answer questions like strengths, weaknesses, motivation to work at the company and this can be found in the job description of the role.
Be as calm as possible and view the job as a conversation because that is all it is.
Good stuff.
1. Yes to financial skills are a basic skill!!
2. Negotiating salary esp.for youngins we underrepresent ourselves ..too much! Maybe shyness?
Thanks guys 💛🙀
I think what we need to learn the following in order to find some job or even freelance:
Public Speaking, Project Management, Negotiation, Conflict Resolution, Software development, Accounting, Financial planning, Critical thinking, How to mentor, Business plan Dev, People management and Customer service. These are some of things that our high school curriculum lacks. If we have such reforms in our curriculum a majority of high school graduates will be finishing high school and they can start working while studying in campus.
Jules you are so right about interviewing in the US and UK is so much more intense (I have interviewed and worked in Kenya, US, and UK). One thing I found is that in Kenya most times pple start working after college or after 18, as opposed to majuu interview practice starts in highschool at 16 (legal working age)
57 minutes! Yasss, * gets snacks and comfy pillows ready
Lots of good insight and adulting convo. Your channel is full of substance👏🏿 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
wow, I just love listening to your videos, they are never a waste of time
Ivy loves money and I LOVE IT! In her words..."I would not mentor someone for free."
mentorship, that was an interesting one...a great way for you ladies to do it without feelin like it will take too much would be to go speak to groups at girls high schools and just motivate them as to what is out there and what is possible for them to achieve. Especially to the under privilege schools where some do not have access to computers, internet... Just seeing you beautiful ladies come to their schools to speak to them will be something they will never forget. You could go as a group or individually. Great way to give back.
I relate so much to what Julia is saying about sexual harrasment! The "pastors" are the worst!
Unfortunately yes! I met a couple of those pastors after high school🤦♀️
@@cathythuo8606 it's truly soo sad! After high school?? You were soo young..pole sana
@@krystynmugenyu4373 thanks! I told my mum about one of them and she only believed me when one of the other girls from my church ended up pregnant for him yet he was a married man!🤦♀️
needed this! so helpful!!!, could you please do a things I wish I knew in my 20s video
Awesome content ladies! Starting work tomorrow ...feels like I have a cheat sheet 😊
WE NEED THIS ONE TO BE A SERIES. PLEASE PEOPLE. PLEASE
Thanks guys for the advice and could you guys please bring in other guests from different careers and their experiences as well
Wooow! My current favorite episode. So educative.
You've said you wish you knew then what you know now about money and I'm here wondering what it is that you know. Could you kindly do an episode on that? I'm sure it'll be helpful to many of us. Thanks.
She (Ivy) says alot about this on her channel, (JustIvy); check it out.
Very Brilliant Ladies, thank you for what you do and as for this topic very helpful to the young ladies leaving Uni.
I feel you guys are my big sisters .
I get to learn alot anytime you sit in front of the Camera
Career coaching is also very helpful- find someone you trust and admire
Great conversation ladies...very informative...PS: I remember shikie at Samsung, she used to be my immediate manager for safaricom outlets for samsung promoters Yoh! Wat a small world. She had this cute dyed bob and i remember she still wore contacts and i was like who's this cute babe with the softest voice ive ever heard😂
In JKUAT there's a programme for final years called Vuka Fyt... It was very helpful
Thank you for this insight
Alas, nilimaliza jkuat miaka NNE na sikuwahi skia
I love dearly, loved the talk❤️❤️
Ivy's face while Julia is speaking, is me. Kutega maskio!!
Ivy is such a keen listener. I've noticed in all these videos, she's very intentional about listening and understanding before giving her opinion.
She always listens so intently and asks great questions! 👏
@@Habibtay she really is!
Very informative😍😍😍😍could you guys consider sharing outfit plugs before or after the episodes*?? You are all so fashionable!
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you ladies.
I really appreciate the consistency💕💕
The audio is remarkably improved 👏
Also, how do I see myself in Ivy everytime? Or maybe i see who I want to be,I don't know😊
Really nice show 👏👏I watch your show any time I am able. I have a really tough time getting a job right now it's been four years since I was last employed. I believe i could offer this world so much more than I currently am. My journey to unemployment has been really sad due to alcohol issues I am a recovering alcoholic 2 years 4 months sober now and I feel that if you gave an opportunity to be on your show I would give your viewers some insight on what not to do especially for the young professionals watching and I might also get a chance to rejoin the workforce. I know you guys have alot to do but you would be helping out one of your viewers and from what I learnt from your show you really try to help where you can. Thank you again .
Ivy is so attentive. I like that
Thank you so much for this video honestly...❤️
Hey ladies, just watched this video n it has really helped me. Your experience is of great help.
Eyyyyyy, just found this channel and boooom I love it.... The 2nd lady from the one with a red top, her voice🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great topic. I think to add on this you can talk about the office snitches. People that get favors/promotions purely based on how much they can snitch on their colleagues, anything from professional to personal details. This crop of people are lethal in workplaces
This will be so inspiring I can't wait to watch this, and a whole hour, wooooow, nothing could make my Monday better.
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I love this topic...the truth is I have been working in the same organization for years...the reminder of Resume writing, smh. And I am blessed to make a six-figure salary.
Please do a part 2 . This was really helpful
what i just needed thank you guys
Finance field interviews are no joke, Yoh!
Any insight you could give to help a siste rout on the same, kindly? I'm about to dive into this field and i just do not know how to. Please Isabella, if you decide to do so, kindly find me @calvin.lulu on IG. I will be so humbled to hear from you.
Maaaan thanks sana for this episode... because... relatable ASF.. especially if you've worked with agencies and gava...tusianze na sexual harassment ata...the women.. support Left wozzap...mentors...wahr..I wish I had one...and just everything.. yaani thanks for being open ❤️🥂🥂
Amazing video, thank you guys ❤️
Finance interviews are extremely technical. You have to study. The first one is usually written ,which is basically text book knowledge and then the second one they will throw in technical questions here and there.
Ivy, We don't know things about money and investments just because we did finance 😭😭😭. I am also on the struggle of figuring out where to keep my money for it to grow ....it's like all this info is a secret 😭😭