Obi-Wan Kenobi: FINALE - Review
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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The Obi-Wan Kenobi series reached its finale. Here are my thoughts on what I liked, what fell flat, and what could have been improved.
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Jeremy when will you review season 3 of The Boys?
The show ripped of the Rebels Cartoon for the Vader/Kenobi fight
Jeremy you ever reviewed The Peaky Blinders or Killing Eve ?
Thank you for the review, Jeremy. It was a series that DIDN'T need to be made...
If this was just a movie and we had way more Ewan and Hayden I think the praise would be unreal. Realistically I’m only gonna re watch the finale, not how they stumbled to it
This is ultimately the bottom line: they stuck the landing, BUT GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY THE LEAD UP WAS
choppy
at best.
Yeah it would have been incredible as a movie with basically just the last two episodes and without reva
I'm already working on my own fanedit I can watch. lol. I'm sure there'll be many other fan edits as well.
It was like a race where you ended up in 12 and got 3 place, not bad.
@@AWSVids dude I need that🔥
This honestly could've been a movie that focused on Obi-Wan and Vader. This episode had great emotional moments that deserved a higher budget.
A higher budget than $25 mil? Bruh, how much more money do they need?
@@blueguygaming1330 that’s a tiny fucking budget compared to other projects
@@blueguygaming1330 25 mio?? You must be joking. This show costed 25 mio per episode???? Where the hell did the money go? It looks cheap as hell
It needed better writing.
@@sullyeeet6715 it was 25 mil PER EPISODE. They could’ve done much better than this
I think this episode shows the legendary potential this series could've had. I do feel like it's 3 shows smashed into 1. If we just got a focused show about obi wan and Vader it could've been special.
It seem they tried stretching out a movie script to make it a series.
Q@@caasi01 N t
yup
Been saying this to all my mates the last episode should have been the half way point and we get another two episode to lead into this to explore Obi wan and Vader
But I’m so tired of hearing that about Star Wars. We said that about the prequels, “in moments it had so much potential, if only…”. We said that about the sequel trilogy, “it had so much potential, if only they had gone in the direction of…”. Like bro, can Star Wars for once not live off the hype of old stories and make something NEW. And can they for once make a consistent and concise storyline so we’re not always dreaming of what could have been!!
Edit:
P.S. Since people seem to be misreading what I'm saying. I'm annoyed that star wars is so damn formulaic and doesn't create new stories without involving old characters whose arcs are already over.
The best aspect of Obi-wan, is Vader gave him the opportunity to forgive himself.
When Vader says, "I killed Anakin." You can see Obi-Wan's facial expression change from self-loathing, to sadness for his friend. I think Vader showed compassion for his friend by taking ownership of his path, allowing Obi-Wan to forgive himself and move closer into the light of the force. This also showed there is still good in Vader, and he is still a complicated person.
In the beginning of the series, Obi-Wan had placed himself in purgatory, by the end, he was on a path towards enlightenment.
Intresting point actually, Its something I felt while watching without actually realising. Thinking back to it now when you point it out, you sort of get that feeling from vader. The fact that he took ownership doesnt need to only be based on his arrogance. It could also be him trying to help Kenobi. It can be interpreted in sevreal ways. Thats when you have good writing.
Exactly. That was actually showing Anakin really is in there, and Obi wan was reaching him.
Then Palpatine directed Vader away from the obsession.
i feel like disney is trying to absolutely destroy darth vader like they destroyed han solo, leia, luke, rey, kylo ren, poe, and now obiwan. not even george lucas could destroy the original trilogy.
A very interesting take, and really resonates with how Vader's story ends, as well as with his part in the prophecy mentioned in the prequels
Interesting take yes, BUT I think he said that to show Obi-Wan how determined he is about his dark side path (had a smug face while saying that) and accidentally helping Obi-Wan to forgive himself.
At the end of the day, I feel like Reva was completely unnecessary to the story. You could have cut her out entirely and had Vader been the one doing everything she was doing. The focus should have been on those two the entire time.
Reva is a product of Anakin and Obiwans relationship. Anakin's steps during order 66 and Obiwans failure to help Anakin work through his fears/frustration.
A boardroom would've never greenlighted that.
@@alexakaa.charlesross8919 Yeah a product that didn't need to be there. I don't mind the idea of her character-a story about a youngling who is undercover and trying to get close to Vader to kill him for revenge could be interesting as its own movie or show if given the time to delve deep. But when you shoehorn it into Obi Wan's story and take time away from him and Vader, it detracts from everything.
@@alexlazzerly3677 Careful, Disney's twitter might screenshot this and call Star Wars fans racist again
I am a bit conflicted about Reva's storyline. It is a bit of a parallel to Anakin's story, what could have happened to Reva if she had succumbed to the dark side like Anakin. If it were done well, it could have been great. Unfortunately, it was not and it just became a distraction.
This is just me but the entire Kenobi Show should've been centered around these things.
1) Kenobi's training with Qui-Gon, reflecting on the past/present/future, watching Luke, and surviving on Tatoonie.
2) Vader going through the galaxy hunting Jedi while being trained in the Dark Side by the Emperor.
3) The politics between the Emperor, Bail Organa, and the Senate so we get a good glimpse at the world building aspect of how the Empire rules the Galaxy, which results to the slow rise of the Rebellion.
4) Showing parallels of Vader and Kenobi's training along with flashbacks of their relationship during the Clone Wars. Tie it all in to Vader and Kenobi's inevitable rematch, with each of their respective masters telling them they must fight each other in order to complete their training.
But instead we got this....
They should have hired you.
I want to watch this show
Makes me Now sad thinking how awesome this could be
wow now that sounds like the base for a good show
Such a slam dunk tv show or movie and we unfortunately got one of the worst outcomes.
Regardless of how the show was, Ewan and Hayden did amazing and I'm just grateful that they returned and for their performances.
It's just a shame that the writers chose to write the show on a piece of poop. No matter how much you polish a turd it's still a turd. That being said they did the best with the material given.
Don’t just be grateful. Demand better. They should get better storylines to act out
Hayden was in the show? I must’ve missed it
It was nice of Disney to include them in the Reva show.
Yall are so salty. This is all we're getting, and I choose to appreciate it.
I literally always wanted, ever since I saw Logan, I wanted them to do that for Obi Wan. Ever since I was a kid, I always wanted a movie with Obi Wan where it’s a darker and more sorrowful storyline where Obi Wan is having a crisis of faith, his role in the universe and his trauma, his guilt that he carries is finally catching up to him but somehow, he believes in the force again, he believes in Luke, and he even tries one final time to bring Anakin back.
That exchange between Darth Vader and Obi Wan in the finale is literally the only part in the show that even remotely comes close to that original thought and want I had in my head. Ever since I was a kid, Obi Wan was my favorite character in all of Star Wars and he is many people’s favorite Star Wars character.
This show is “fine” but Obi Wan deserved better than just “fine”. This could’ve been gold. But they settled for bronze.
Well said
They settled for copper
you realize that completely contradicts him right? yall are so funny
Original script had a dark scene that was scrapped where Obi wan has severe ptsd and attempts to take his own life with his lightsaber
Plus that sadistic smile that Vader had when he saw that he was emotionally damaging kenobi. Was scary. Loved it
When did he smile?
@@georgetrevino3532 "you didn´t kill anakin skywalker."
*pause*
"i did"
*evil smile*
i first thought palpatine was talking through him.
@@lenoigel2626 ok I remember the exchange but not the smile…I will rewatch it.
@@lenoigel2626 gave me arcane vibes. the lack of lighting, all the shadows, the saber only lighting up parts of his face....oof.
Bro when you see anakins face I was so hoping for the dual voice and they did it!!! That was amazing
The way Darth Vader's voice kept changing between James Earl jones and Hayden Christensen and the blue flickers faintly on his face like a brief respite then immediately turns bright red!! Absolutely love the REBELS callback
RIGHT!? Ohhh it was so emotional.
"You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did."
"Anakin Skywalker was weak. I destroyed him."
Ohh oof.
Of all the things I expected from this series, them clearing up why Obi-Wan called him “Darth” in A New Hope was not one of them
To me Obi Wan is mocking him.
I too saw this Reddit comment
Wait you serious?
I mean what else is he gonna call him at that point?... So continuity is super important and must be observed at all times but this was too much?
He knew he was Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith.
The line where obi wan keeps calling him anakin, then ends up calling him darth is the turn from “there’s still good in you” to “you’ve been consumed by the dark side” you’re looking for without being that heavy handed
Anakin is lost within the dark side. Luke will pull him out but just barely.
Then he lets him live and just leaves. Makes sense! 😂
So he just let's him live 🤔 😂
Despite the writers telegraphing an appearance from Qui_Gon, him showing up still felt like an after thought. I was hoping for Qui-Gon to finally show up and give a defeated Obi-Wan the strength to face Vader one more time with some wise Jedi words and stuff.
I’m disappointed they brought the character back whose death were the catalyst for the entire franchise to begin with and yet we never heard him address his thoughts towards Anakin’s fall or Obi Wan as a master.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 EXACTLY! Lost opportunity. Qui Gon was also the one that insisted Anakin be trained.
nah, you are mistaken--there was no better way to end this series.
It's because China's media bans all depiction of ghosts and spirits, so Disney only puts them in scenes that are easy to cut and don't effect the plot. Same reason Han didn't look like a ghost in Kylo's vision in Rise of Skywalker.
They knew your idea would've been so much better but they needed content for the next season apparently. The bastards
I loved seeing Qui-Gon again but it was very last minute! Wished we got a conversation with him & Obi-Wan.
Imagine we got that shit episode one and throughout... like actual debates about the jedi and were they went wrong
Liam Neeson is a real one coming back after 23 years.
He returned in live action after 23 years and was used to just say a funny line felt like I was watching marvel
He looked really small looking down on him. I had flash backs of Space Balls and thought Obi Wan was going to pick him up and put him in his pocket.
@@TheeDawson 💯 That’s exactly what I wanted! 🤦🏻♂️
ngl the last conversation Obi Wan and Vader had was really good...dunno if it was worth sitting through a whole show for it though XD
That’s cause it’s ripped off from Rebels.
it’s very good, it made me think of vader differently. i think vader never wanted to kill Obi-wan, i think he wanted Obi-wan to kill him. he even resents him for not killing him the first time. He still cares for Obi-wan in a love and hate are different sides of the same coin way.
@@dev_ilmoon I think it's more he still seeks his approval or at least wants his "master" to finally acknowledge his self perceived greatness. He hasn't fully come to terms with his relationship with Kenobi. He's forceful and confident until he has to be face to face with Obi Wan and he falls back on his anger and strength but is still not sure of himself.
Shows fine
@@saintfreezy6914 Yup, just fine XD
Being stabbed by a George Lucas lightsaber - death
Being stabbed by a Disney lightsaber - "This is where the fun begins"
Being stabbed by a Anakin lightsaber - "My wounds will heal" - Reva
Being stabbed by a Vader lightsaber - "My wounds will heal...again. Now, where's that ship so that I can fly out of here?" - Reva
Pretty sure that a George Lucas lightsaber chopped Maul in half and he lived... the dark side allows its wielders to survive on hatred alone. Look at Darth Scion and Darth Nihilus. Both are Lucas era.
@@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95 to be fair Idk if george had a hand is Maul being revived i think that was mostly Filoni going for that sweet sweet nostalgia juice.
@@JA-lr5ix Actually, it was Lucas' daughter who wrote Maul back into the world of the living.
@@JA-lr5ix yeah, he still signed off on it. As he did for Scion and Nihilus. Both are pre disney. One is a walking hate zombie, the other is a wraith that survives on hunger. One has a body that is entirely clinically dead, the other doesn't even have a body because it's worn away. Both sustained by the dark side.
My thought is that Disney should have switched the concepts of Kenobi and The Book Of Boba Fett. Give Boba Fett the action-packed series about what he's doing in the present, and give Kenobi the slower-paced series with old, broken Obi-Wan having flashbacks to his time with Anakin and how that bond they shared is effecting him in the present. I would have loved to see what Hayden could have done with Anakin free of George Lucas' writing/directing, and not have to rely on the Clone Wars show to see the Obi-Wan/Anakin friendship.
Good ending though, even if the rest of the series felt a bit flat. Also, was it just me or did something look off about Qui Gon? Almost like they had Liam Neeson in too much makeup or something...
this was EXACTLY what my brain was trying to figure out!
Probably make-up and/or de-aging wasn’t polished well enough.
Right!?!
yeah, I think they reused old footage from Phantom Menace or something, because Qui-Gon look odd.
>good ending
it's okay that they completely shattered canon and dragged Obi-Wan's character through the mud, he said the meme line from /r/prequelmemes, I'm gonna renewy D+ sub!!!
I really enjoyed when how his mask was slashed, his voice went from Anakin to Vader. Kinda showing the internal struggle that's always been there. Was a great moment.
Yes! My favorite part! Beautifully done. This show seemed to have a completely separate writer for Vader scenes. Best part of the show
@@amateurwave3593 I agree 100%
@@samsherrington7423 Until you realize they just redid the scene with Vader and Ahsoka fighting in the Rebels series and Ahsoka cuts off half of his mask.. Disney already did this idea and theyre ripping it off from themselves.. I cant stand fans like you that accept anything because its star wars. People like you that this woke garbage was made for.
@@amateurwave3593 it’s hard to beat the Original but one thing Disney must get credit for is how they did Vader, he’s just way more menacing and agressive compared to the original. He just looks and feels like the Starwars Legends version of Vader which is a complete motherfucker
Forsure really good call back to Rebels
You hit the nail on the head regarding how this show should've been more personal for Obi-Wan.
That's what I expected the show to be. Shame it wasn't :(
Haven't you guys caught on yet? Disney does this with ALL of their franchises and established characters.
@@calebw8189 I'm surprised people are still holding on to the hope that Disney ever will lol.
@@calebw8189 Disney are such pussies it’s unbelievable a company built on creative risks and now take next to none
But he's a white male, we need women and diversity. Telling a good story or fitting in with what makes sense for canon doesn't matter to Mickey.
This entire “season” felt like a season 2. We skipped season 1 of learning Obi wan and his routine and journey and stuff. Even though we knew him from the prequels we deserved him and Vader to be fleshed out for the 10 years we haven’t seen them. ONLY them. Way too much Reva and Leia for a show called Obi wan.
I swear if the entire series focused more on Obi wan and Vader instead of leia and reva it could have been phenomenal, this episode alone reminded me why I love Star Wars, there is just insane potential that Disney loves to piss away for some reason.
It’s so clearly obvious what the fans want to see, but Star Wars under the direction of Disney and Lucas film seems intent on denying us that. They concoct these new characters that nobody really gives a shit about that have no charisma in and then shit talked the entire audience if we don’t exult them as a time honored favorite. This show could’ve been phenomenal. It had a couple cool moments but overall it was pretty shitty… Usually I like this Director, but it seem like it was a made for TV movie from the 90s at certain points
Also that episode was so much better when they had some of the original music.
@@Gauthierbrad27 seems to be their new formula.. create a 6-8 episode series and only have two of them feel like SW. Oh, and create pointless characters.
@@Gauthierbrad27 That's what happens with KK and her cronies/writers
And if Disneys typically childish control was gone
Yup, OBW's emotional and spiritual journey between ROTS to ANH would have been an awesome film. We could've had:
1. A devastated and broken man who feels entirely responsible for everything that Anakin has become battling with inner conflict that he might do exactly the same to Luke
2. News starting to filter back to him (somehow) that a rebellion against the Empire is beginning and that growing numbers of people way more vulnerable than he is are standing up and fighting back against the same evil that wiped out the Jedi and seeing OBW becoming increasingly inspired by that.
3. Becoming, with lots of conversations filled with reflective wisdom from QG force ghost, the wise and resonating-with-good-and-calm OBW we see when Maul comes looking for him and then later when A New Hope kicks off.
Which would be a really cool way to remind us that the greatest power of the Jedi isn't about being a really good lightsaber fighter. It might not be as cinematic, but watching a man like OBW find hope and get his Light Side mojo back again would be a great movie and possibly one many might relate to. We all go through bad shit, right?
You would need good writing, Hollywood is just so devoid of that.
Instead we get a contrived, mostly boring and most importantly NO TENSION mini series. Like when Reva is about to kill Luke, I was like "no she won't" and then the show is trying to build tension we she carries him back and I rolled my eyes.
Star Wars fans would end up hating it more if it was a movie imo.
Lol you would only get complaints about there not being enough fighting.
The thing is ....people wouldn't have watched that ....They need faster and more intense...I loved it
Some good thoughts, except Kenobi is the quintessential good guy, and he would never have become depressed like that - he is a man of duty and honor, and would have acted accordingly. He has one job, to protect Luke, and he wouldn't have moped around for 10 whole years lamenting the events of Revenge of the Sith. What we saw was NOT Obi-Wan, or even Ben Kenobi. There is absolutely no narrative connective tissue between the master Jedi we saw in Ep III and the mission-driven older man we saw in Ep VI. It strains credulity to think that those three slices from this character's life are the same "person."
That line just gave me chills and the look in kanobis' eyes just shot me into tears when he saw anakin, Ewan is an amazing actor
Yes! And I just can't imagine saying anything bad about this series cause Ewan poured all his heart into it. What a gift this series was for me
@@paulmccormacksvideogamesan2912 That is why Disney is fucked, how can you be blinded by some memberberry moments, when the storyline and dialogues o this show are below average, no, they are actually fucking abyssmal, when you think about all the plotholes, that destroy any feeling of Immersion...we cannot give Disney a Thumbs Up for this wasted potential, or we are doomed to receive this kind of standard fir future Star Wars!
@@titomoha8724 Dont respond to these people bro, it will just piss u off more. We all know how awful this show is so dont respond to people who dont point out the flaws that completely destroy the good things about the series. They completely overlook the bad writing for a reason.
Either they are fake and only say positive things to boost the comment sections
Or they really dont understand good writing and common sense.
@@mysticlegion8088 true, it still gives me hope that people such as you exist, but do not speak out loud as much as the mayority that seems ti like everything...
The emperor would definitely tell me " you seem agitated, my friend"
@@titomoha8724 well for Gods sake stop watching. This is obciously hurting you. Dont know why anyone would keep watching after 2 episodes if it makes you so upset
There were at least 5 “I will just leave my enemy alive for no reason whatsoever” moments in the series… none of which made any sense at all. Especially Obi Wan not killing Vader when he had the chance. Which going forward means like millions of people die. Obi Wan is the bad guy of the entire original 3 movies.
It’s actually 6…
Anakin leaves young Reva alive
Vader leave older Reva alive
Reva leaves the Grand Inquisitor alive
Vader leaves Obi Wan alive in the fire
Vader leaves Obi wan alive under the rubble
Obi Wan leaves Vader alive at the end
And I bet I’m prolly missing others lol.
Vader leaving Reva alive (the second time) was the lowest moment in the show. He's supposed to be an unstoppable killing machine (literally) and he fails at fatally stabbing the same person twice, literally just after he brought up failing the first time. Then it's revealed that the Grand Inquisitor was alive the entire time, and that this was his master plan. His master plan revolved around getting stabbed in the exact part of his chest where he wouldn't die, and then he watches Reva receive the exact same injury.
I think it makes sense for Obi Wan not killing Vader. He’s too good of a person to kill him and he just can’t bring himself to kill his padawan. Eventually he finds peace and realizes that his existence is a source of power and hate for Vader, so his death will weaken Vader and leave him to confront Luke and Leia.
In Vader's defense for not "definitively" ending Reva in episode 5, he didn't know she had plot armor.
Absolutely bullshit, that was my biggest gripe with this show. Why doesn't anyone finish the job?!? Its just bad writing.
Obi-Wan leaves Kumail alive.
For me, the weird part is the way the show wrote Obi-Wan leaving Vader alive. Like, he knows he’s a scourge of evil, he has him in a position where he could probably easily kill him and save the galaxy a whole lot of suffering. He’s already made the mistake of leaving him alive once, and this time he just….walks away from him. After seeing Vader terrorize and hunt refugees and force sensitive people, going to confront him on his own. And he just leaves him. I was shocked and confused at the reasoning for that. I thought the inquisitors were going to show up just in time to save Vader and force Obi-Wan to flee but nope. He just leaves an evil murderous psychopath alive for a SECOND TIME.
Exactly, it makes no sense.
Well, it's understandable that he doesn't want to kill his former friend on a second thought, but as you say, an expository dialog is missing. An explanation. Something.
Yes, this made the entire fight meaningless. Seems like a lot of people enjoyed the fight but it just felt empty to me.
Characters and to extension people have flaws that don't make sense. Obi Wan clearly isn't able to kill his former friend himself.
MUH FRIENDSHIP
Streaming services have drawing out stories to fill a series a lot the last few years and Obi wan is another example. This could’ve been an incredible 2.5-3 hour movie even with better production value, better music, VFX, etc. Instead we got a show that can’t justify its runtime or lack of production value.
I gotta disagree. Obi Wan ABSOLTULEY couldve led a series. Even at this point in the timeline. There were several things they couldve done. Hell even the core concept isnt horrible. Obi Wan needs to go and rescue Leia. Thats not bad and actually does fill in some gaps and plots in the overall saga. Its not like hes a character that is somehow not strong enough to have time devoted to him. The problem was that they did it poorly.
@@ComicCrossing “could’ve”. This show was mid. Lots of filler that no one cared about. Reva arc trash.
What was Reva's motivation in this episode? She had just been beaten and left for dead by Vader. What reason did she have for going after Luke?
HOW did she even manage to go after him? She had been impaled, left to die, and seemingly had no ship. Why does this series make getting impaled by a lightsaber seem like a mild inconvenience?
Where did Reva go after this episode? Why was Obi-Wan okay with letting her live with the knowledge that she had? Why was she in this series at all? Her character is a complete and total mess.
BECAUSE DISNEY NEEDS A SERIES ABOUT A STRONG (BLACK) FEMALE PROTAGONIST! Its set up for her to get her own series, unfortunately Kenobi paid the price!
Based on what he said in the video, Reva the all knowing figured Luke is Vader son and wanted revenge. I kid you not I lost my mind again that she managed to figure that out of the pieces of the message LOL
Honestly, we can fill in the gaps cause we like Star Wars. We can go with the flow... but after 30 plus years of Star Wars with good moments... I think we need to start accepting it’s just bad writing.
She went to her spin-off series bro lol
Vader doesn’t wanna kill anyone in this show except extras
This is one of my favorite UA-cam channels! I love Jeremy's genuine love of Star Wars. These reviews have been oddly enjoyable to me as their own form of entertainment over the years.
I get the same feeling with every Disney-show so far: They own these famous and beloved characters, they know there's money in that and they don't have a damn clue what to do with them. Obi Wan has so much potential as a character, but instead they went with "Yeah, just let him have this little space adventure, it'll be fine."
Like Optimus Prime opening a damn car wash right after the fall of cybertron or Batman writing a book about a healthy diet that helps you stay awake at night. That's clearly the stuff people would like to see.
Instead we get inquisitors who are able to survive being impaled by lightsabers.
Haha Optimus prime opening up a car wash
yeah I don't see high level of effort and affection on those disney plus show. They're like 'I have money, I have IPs, now gonna make tons of spinoffs and don't really care how it turns out.'
How did they manage to botched the scripts for this show so badly despite it only having 6 episodes. Imagine the state the movie would have been in if the Mandalorian wasn't a hit.
This entire show storyline makes zero sense! Even the fight scene is dumb. Vader getting hit with a 100 boulders and did not budged. Vader have literally pulled down air carriers from out of midair, snapped an innocent local boy neck, held Obi-Wan in the air above fire, and etc. but Vader couldn't win this fight from a guy that have been out of commission for 10 years? What about when Vader had "the high ground"? Why didn't the writers include that in the script "I have the high ground now!" And don't let me get into that Reva, Luke, and the Farmers scene. What a freak'in joke!
Hayden’s acting was incredible, this series gave us some of the coolest vader scenes of all time!
He’s always been able to convey the tragedy of Anakin. He’s in pain but still being sadistic.
Agreed 💯
@@heelmoxley365 Absolutely correct.
Wish we good more. Imagine there was Clone Wars flash backs throughout with Haden and Euan... ah to dream
It was a scene Ripped off from Rebels so now Disney Ripping themselves off how lazy 😒
I'll admit, by the end of this episode I felt like Eddy Valliant during that scene in Roger Rabbit where he's cutting the handcuffs and Roger easily slips out of his.
"You mean to tell me you could have been telling a good Obi Wan Kenobi story this entire time!"
“No, only when it was funny”
Also this is the third who framed Rodger rabbit reference I’ve seen in two days, curse you RLM!
@@leftghostcrow1943 I was wondering why I had to watch Rodger rabbit on disney last night. Subconsciously picked it up from comments lol.
No, they couldn't... they literally built a show around JUST that emotional talk after the Duel between Obi and Vader/Anakin... that's it
This comment effin floored me 🤣🤣🤣
I feel when Obi Wan says " Then my friend is truly dead", means that Vader assumed he thought Obi Wan thought there was still good in him, and could be brought back. So Vader then tells Luke "Obi Wan once thought as you do", thinking about that moment when Obi Wan believed Anakin could be saved, but realised he was wrong. Obi Wan also then says "goodbye Darth", not just to give confirmation that he now knows Anakin is gone, but acknowledging he is now Darth Vader. This also now explains why Obi Wan calls him Darth in episode 4 on the Death Star.
I felt the same way as you did! I was telling my brother that Reeva could have benefitted so much as a character by having her own well written series on how she managed to survive Order 66 and become The Third Sister fueled by revenge.
And in the other side Obi-Wan deserved a heartfelt story about the events that followed ROTS knowing who Anakin has become, and revolve the story around the TWO OF THEM their own personal journeys, culminating in a big fight.
I agree with most people saying that this should’ve been a movie, it definitely could have been a blockbuster even more now that we are seeing that in 2022 movies are making huge profits again (example: Top Gun:Maverick).
The series as a whole was okay, Im not going to lie I was looking forward for new episodes every week but it was like a rollercoaster. It had it’s ups and downs.
I'm really pissed that Reeva survived, it made no sense for her to deduce who Luke was, go to Tatooine (in who knows what bc there were no ships left), go around and fight with the uncles and chase Luke INJURED. And Obi letting her go so easily knowing that she knew pretty much everything that he himself is also trying to protect??? I mean…🤨
Remember that Obi Wan had a head start by a large margin. Flew to a planet, had a 5 minute battle with Vader and only just made it to Tattoine in time to meet Reeva.
In that time she had recovered from her wounds, find a ship and fly to Tattoine, find Owen and then hold her own against Owen and Berus ambush. She deflected a tonne of shots with superior movements.
Messy
Right!! And Reva could have had a mission where she was supposed to kill Leia but failed because she learns to be compassionate once again That would've been INCREDIBLE!
These writers lose their braincells when it comes to sjw characters
@@jojosoni amen to that
I am actually conviced that the show was pitched as a reva show
7:45 is so crucial because this is why Obi Wan tells Luke that Vader killed his father. Obi wan even leaves and says “good bye Darth” which is how he greets him in Episode 4. Never once does he call him Anakin or Vader, he specifically says Darth. Incredibly poetic
I love the sputtering effect on Vader's voice when it's broken. Anakin speaks but occasionally Vader's voice will poke through because it's not picking up everything.
Darth Vader to Luke: "Obi-Wan once thought as you do."
Obi-Wan in their final fight: "I'm sorry Anakin. For all of it."
Vader: "I am not your failure Obi-Wan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did. Just like I will destroy you."
Obi-Wan: "Then my friend is truly gone."
That puts that into context. Obi-Wan was still trying to reach Anakin, till that moment. So I'd say it does make sense. As well as the "I MUST obey my master." Puts into context the conversation he has with Palpatine after him and Obi-Wan's fight. So it all made sense to me, at least in that regard.
Obi-Wan didn't have to ask Vader to come with him, or that there is still good in him. He just needed to be still trying to see Anakin in Vader and feel he's still in there somewhere. Which he did, till Vader told him that line. Which was when Obi-Wan truly accepted that his friend was gone, and called him "Darth" instead of "Anakin", which he had been doing up to that point.
Let him live...again..and is now complicit to all the lives lost at the hands of the sith lord.....great...dogshit writing and Disney trashy Star wars.
@@solidaz80 It wasn't his destiny to kill Vader. And even if he killed Vader, Palpatine was still around. So it ultimately wouldn't have stopped what happened.
Again, they put all their hopes on Luke, fair or unfair, and they felt he would be the new 'chosen one' that would end the destructive conflict. This is how Jedi think, and ultimately a flaw in their approach. It's always been that way.
Ultimately, killing Vader there wouldn't bring down the Empire. So all those deaths would have happened.
The Grand Inquisitor even says in the first episode that the Jedi Code is the Jedi’s weakness. History backs that up, both in the movies and in the games. So if anything it's consistent.
“I am not your failure Obi-Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.” One of the greatest Star Wars scenes ever made! I’ve probably rewatched it about 100 times already. Ewan and Hayden were phenomenal in this scene! The series had some ups and downs, but this finale was incredible!
Nah, the show is pretty awful in hindsight.
I agree Bro. The highs for me were worth the lows. This show was exactly what I expected it to be.
@@mongooseunleashed na it ain't tbh I would rematch in the future
@@urbent3147 You're literally commenting on a review that's saying it's not good...
it gives it more meaning to when Obi told Luke Vader killed your father.
Andrew Stanton should have been working on every episode. He’s one of the few writers who’s actually a fan of Star Wars and it shows since he helped with episode 5 and 6, the only two episodes that I thought were great.
Agreed💯💯
When they announced his involvement, my expectations rose really high, because I think Stanton is one of the strongest writers in Hollywood. Having him but only using him in a third of the show feels like a waste.
That explains a lot!
He should do john carter movies
@@OregonCM he cost. The budget for this series was not that high compared to Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and Movies. The series costs 90 milions, and most of these money were used to pay Ewan, one of the most expensive and requested actori of these years
As a whole if there was one word to describe how I felt of the series it would be “underwhelming.” I cannot excuse the poor writing and execution of script to screen. I enjoyed SOME parts of it though.
Probably the most fair take on this show honestly
The Obi-Wan/Vader stuff I enjoyed. A lot of the rest felt rushed together
Anyone else gonna mention how cheap it all looked? And how badly the fight scenes were shot?
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@@markholohan4446 yeah man there was definitely a whole lot of crap. But here and there were some decent moments with even one or two awesome parts
Somebody needs to re-edit the whole series into a 2 hour movie with the best bits.
At the very end of the fight when Vader screams "Obi Wan!" and you hear Anakin's and Vader's voice at the same time gave me chills. Also the way he calls him "Darth" reminded to when Obi Wan meets Vader in A New Hope and says "Only a master of evil Darth"
That is a connection that I appreciated. In Revenge of the Sith, Obi Wan leaves him behind saying “You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!” But when he leaves him in the finale, he says “goodbye, Darth.” It shows that Obi Wan realized that the brother he trained is destroyed and that he didn’t kill is brother; Darth Vader did.
Can't wait for all the meme edits of this show, it will be fine additions to our collections
The prequel memes subreddit now has fuel for years to come
The Kenobi show itself is a meme.
As an adopted kid, something that really resonated with me is when Reva says “You really love the boy. Like he’s your own.” And Owen tells her “He is my own.” I already loved Owen, but that moment made me love him so much more. Luke Skywalker had two fathers.
He also has an uncle Ben… who dies… and then Luke becomes the hero… is he secretly spider man?
as does Leia, as shown when she tells Obi Wan that she doesn't need to know about her birth parents
They had terrible parents....even worse they had religious pychos plan and ploting their lives ...
As a foster father, I completely agree.
@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 Are you seriously projecting your dislike of religion onto a fictional universe?
I still don't understand why Favreu and Filoni aren't directing every SW project. The difference in quality between shows/episodes directed by them and not directed is abysmal
Filoni and Favreau clearly love Star Wars from a fan standpoint, and they want to do their best to honor what George Lucas created. Krazy Kathleen Kennedy, on the other hand, only cares about political correctness and her bottom line.
He never expressly said “come with me there’s still good in you” but from my interpretation I felt that’s exactly what the rejection of anikins name meant to Vader and obi wans acknowledgment of his identity now being Vader.
Yeah, I feel that aspect works perfectly with that line from Rotj. Obi-Wan always saw Vader as Anakin until this moment and you can see it his eyes he was always at qualms with fighting anakin. After this, he accepts that Anakin is gone and only Vader remains
Yeah, it was also serving to retroactively explain why Ben referred to Vader as Darth and not Anakin in “A New Hope”
I don’t know how he didn’t get that…
@@JhuntdaProdigy also it explains why obi wan didn’t really lie when he told Luke that Vader killed his father.
Exactly, Obi Wan went there looking for Anakin. He only left when he realized Vader was all that remained.
They could have done a bit more with it though, I was expecting Obi Wan to mention Padme.
When Obi-Wan learned there is no good in Vader, he said, "Then my friend is truly dead."
When Luke learned Vader was committed to evil, he said, "Then my father is truly dead."
Ahsoka said something along those lines in their duel as well.
When Ahsoka Tano learned Vader was committed to evil, she said, "Then I will avenge his death."
They recycled a fair bit of dialogue/scenes aye
You definitely hit the nail on the head with what the older fans have been saying and you do it in a thoughtful way. Well done
No one hates star wars more than star wars fans
This review is spot on with how I feel. They really nailed the Obi and Vader interactions, but it would have worked so much better as a trimmed movie. I also agree that Reva's arc is good but didn't fit here. Should have been a separate series to flush that out better. One key difference I'd like to point out is I also think it would have worked way better if this was more like 2-3 years after Revenge of the Sith, and without all the Leia stuff.
Reva's arc is "good"? Did we watch the same show? She's so shitly written. She gets stabbed as a youngling, but survives (somehow), then joins the Empire as an Inquisitor to help Vader torment and hunt down Jedi, to... get close to Vader so she can kill him... because she hates Obi Wan who trained Anakin, and he killed tons of Jedis... and she goes after Luke for... some reason, and when she gets to him, only then does she realise that she's become like Vader. Jesus Christ, these people don't know how to write.
@@blackdragoncyrus Passable maybe? I guess it is all relative as I think there was potential to make Reva great where-as what they did with Leia made me want to lose my lunch retroactively LOL.
When Obi-Wan says "I'm sorry, for everything" that was the line Jeremy is looking for. Obi-Wan is reaching out, and Vader shuts it down permanently. I thought the fight was awesome. Chucking rocks at each other, swinging for the fences. I loved it.
First, not a special line. Gordon says it to Harvey Dent in the dark knight. Second, that's not nearly close to what Jeremy was looking for. That fight should not exist. But Hayden in the mask was cool
@@BatPierrot this guy nathan pollock is the perfect example of what Jeremy said that this show is making people dumb
It deeply saddens me how this show was handled. I loved the final confrontation between Obi Wan and Vader but I still feel that they could have done more in that moment. Hell, they should have done more with those characters in general. It blows my mind that this wasn't as personal of a story as it should have been.
😭 you noticed too
It's always a shame how these shows have a great idea but always barely explored
@@Gintoki_Madao Same thing happened with the sequels. So many amazing things could have been done with Kylo Ren's character! For example, imagine if Hayden Christiansen as Anakin was the one to redeem Kylo instead of Han? Or if Disney had the guts to let Rey die and have the newly redeemed Ben Solo as the survivor, that way at least the title would have made sense.
This show was never about Obi-Wan. It's a spring board for Reva.
How many star wars/marvel shows and movies do you have to see before it becomes clear that they are using OG characters to introduce their new female character.
It's called the M-She-U for a reason. They have an agenda. Hard to get good content when the people making it, care more about diversity and inclusion, than writing good stories.
@@PoopaChallupa reva was hardly even in the last episode. They empowered obi wan way more than they did reva. Obi wan was the main character there isn’t a debate about it
@@PoopaChallupa no bitches
I personally loved the fight. And Hayden's acting was great. The mixed/broken voices were really amazing to watch, as was his conflict. You could see the color of his eyes changing from blue to sith orange multiple times.
I also think it is totally plausible that Obi was disconnected with the force for so long. Guy lost ALL his friends, basically his family and the one closest to him killed them all. Dude had freakin strong PTSD.
I feel the disconnection was intentional on his part, as in he was forcing himself to withdraw, like he didn't believe he deserved to have a connection to the Force. Or because he thought he was dangerous and it made him safer? Not sure, could be both. Being disconnected from the Force has shown up in so many ways in different Star Wars media, that I don't see why it's not believable that Obi Wan was, whether PTSD or him self-inflicting a punishment. I think it was really well done!
@@erinlaboricua Yes I think it was both. He couldn't risk it but he was also feeling extremely guilty. It was HIS padawan after all who basically killed them all. I just wished we would have seen his power coming back over a few more episodes. I never liked this "oh I'm weak but I am remembering friendship and now I'm super strong" kind of montages even though it was very well done this time. Really don't get the critisicm some people have for his weaker state at the beginning of the show.
That final lightsaber battle is one of the defining scenes in Star Wars history. What a moment. Supremely acted by McGregor and Christensen, with all the feels. Answered all the questions I had for my entire life. Born in '75, it was a VERY fulfilling moment that cinched up that Kenobi-Vader relationship.
I was 5 when I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters. Yea, seeing Qui-Gon brought a tear to my eye. This episode proved they could've done a much better job with the show.
i was upset because it was a completely wasted moment. Qui gon should have been a pivotal point to this story instead Disney used him as nostalgia bait as a cheap cameo
I wish the whole season was this good.
@@Vivid114 Same, it had it's moments. I put my blinders on with all the drama surrounding it so I could just enjoy it for what it is. That helped.
@@ishaanhall78 Definitely, it's like they wanted to add him in more but got lazy. Maybe Liam Neeson wasn't interested in a bigger role. Either way, us fans lose.
That scream after the fight sent chills down my spine
That warbled sound, my Godddddd
It was the anti “NooOoooOooooOooooo”
This one? REEEEEEEEE-Va .. She can be stabbed through the gut with no damage a few days later; 'kill box' Owen and
It was okay. Honestly, I never thought something like this could feel so empty during some moments. The Obi-Wan and Vader scenes were the best of all, and that's it. The most redeemable aspect is that it brought me back to the novel Kenobi, which plot surpasses this series' story.
I watched up to the first obi-wan/vader fight and dropped it. Pretty underwhelming at best.
@@valentin7693 wow. Fr within the first day(first 2 episodes) we saw leia as a child and anakin/vadar in bacta. That was a win ep3 had a duel and lots of vadar. That’s a win. 4 was bad. 5 and 6 were great. How is everyone hating on a show with 1 short bad episode
@@quartex5450 1,2,3 were just boring and badly shot. 4 was bad and somehow shot even worse. 5 was good, but mostly carried by that amazing fight. (And still badly shot besides that fight) 6 was also good but still shot poorly and just not that great to make the series worth existing imo.
@@quartex5450 lmao, you are a blind fan, or you didn't watch quality series.
You are just saying it good because of the fan service
Really wish they based the series off that book it’s fantastic.
My favorite part of the show was Leia. I think they nailed what she would have been like as a kid that would grow up to be the badass princess/general we know
Nuh, she's too wise for her age.
This last episode really portrayed how great this series could have been. The fight between them and the conversation they said was very impactful. They both did a fantastic job. If this show actually had flashbacks between Anakin and Obi-Wan and the show was actually focused on them it would have been so much more.
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"a series that never justifies its own existence"
Exactly. Ewan McGregor gives a great performance, but the storywriting cripples him to such an extent that it doesn't even matter.
Absolutely spot on about the music. Honestly, baffled there wasn't more sprinkled in throughout the series rather than load it all onto the final episode. Obviously, John Williams isn't going to come back but they could've had the composer sow in the themes throughout showing progression of the characters.
Overall, like you said, each episode had cool visuals but they really didn't add to the overall story and make them mean anything. It was fine at best and dull at worst and really not willing to go back to watch any of it.
It’s not just that there was no Star Wars music in this Star Wars show, the music we did get was boring, bland and forgettable. KotOR 2 has a great soundtrack and it doesn’t even feature any original SW music.
It made no sense at all that they waited till the end to bring in Vader's music like wtf
That scene with Anakin/Vader talking to Obi Wan was literally one of the best moments in Star Wars history…period
One of the biggest things that annoyed me this episode was that obi-wan let vader live. Don't say it's because the OT needs to happen, it makes no logical sense why obi-wan would spare the life of such a dangerous enemy.
He even acknowledges his friend is dead and calls him vader, he should've just ended it then and there. Last time he didn't finish the job vader snapped the necks of innocent people. WTF Obi?
Also, doesn't canon establish that Vader needs his suit to stay alive? Obi-Wan wrecked completely wrecked it in that fight. How on earth is Vader surviving to get back to his shuttle?
@@PhoenixLance13 the force
The final episode had me in my feels and I won't lie, I cried when Kenobi saw Anakin and he began to break down emotionally. Their fight and dialogue was easily the best part of the show. Although there were some other really neat aspects in the show, I feel like quite a bit was meandering filler.
Kenobi would have worked better as a movie which is what they originally planned. The editing as well as writing were lazy at points and the show sort of dragged on in areas.
I actually like Reva's story arc although it could have been done better. She's essentially Anakin in reverse. She dark sided back to the light. But if they had a 2 and 1/2 hour movie that showed the highlights we saw in the show, it would have probably worked better in its place. Also, the music....The music was just a miss in this show and for me music makes or breaks a scene.
I generally agree with your points but it was nice to see all the classic themes coming back in this episode finally after so much lack of the old music in the other episodes
@@spiritofthetallhills2037 of course it was nice since they were missing the whole damn time. Not only that but the music we got instead was boring, lackluster and forgettable. The music for the trailer was more exciting than the music in the show.
They copied off the Rebels series with Ashoka. Very similar
There was many individual scenes I enjoyed, but nothing coalesced. Things just happened because...plot. Why did Kenobi leave Vader alive, especially after realizing Anakin was truly dead? Why did the Empire not deploy a single TIE fighter to take out the Rebel transport? How did Reva get to Tatooine? How is she walking around with all her vital organs burnt like over-done toast? Why did Reva go after Luke? She didn't know Luke was Anakin's son and she was only after Kenobi to use as bait for Vader. How can Kenobi tell Owen that he and Beru are enough to protect Luke, when all the adults around Luke failed to protect him against Reva? The kid was injured; he was pushed off a cliff, got a concussion and was knocked out, and only survived because Reva had a change of heart. That's just this episode, and this episode is one of the better ones.
This read like teenager fan fiction. All about showing a cool scene, but with zero cohesion and little substance. That said, it was cool seeing Anakin underneath the Vader mask, especially with that little evil grin. And I loved watching Owen and Beru try to protect Luke. But stories have to make sense--this made no sense. *sad face* Oh, and yes, the music sucked.
@@rienjen Agreed here in many parts. The writing just wasn't there. Many parts dragged on. Pacing/editing was off. Music was lackluster in areas. The spots that did shine, did so brilliantly but the flaws are extremely hard to overlook.
I thought Reva’s story ended last episode. It was shocking to see her already be on a planet while obi-wan (who left first) was still in space.
it couldve ended in ep 5 but they dragged it out by her finding the message that obi wan had
That’s what I thought. She survived found a ship and travelled to tattooine whilst obi wan did what exactly?
it was shocking Reva could still walk with half her spine missing.
@@purefoldnz3070 No problem, she already did it when she was a kid! This is easy for her!
@@INRamos13 yeah exactly. Who needs a stomach and spine and other major organs anyway?
I've just finished watching it. Solid 6/10 for me. Given the premise, the characters, and the actors, it should have been better than what we got. But it felt so good to see McGregor playing Obi-Wan Kenobi again. And Hayden Christensen, too! And Jimmy Smits! I think we could all use a dad like Bail Organa, or a grandpa like Obi-Wan Kenobi, couldn't we?
The Inquisitor stuff didn't work for me. They clearly went the mystery path with Reva, meaning the audience is left in the dark about her past and motivations. She just does Vader's bidding, while being overly eager, perhaps. But the camera kept staying on the character, which to me was just annoying as I didn't understand her and therefore didn't give a fuck about her. In the final battle, the show wanted to give her a redemption arc. Which would work if they made me care about her before. Which I didn't. So, whenever the camera cut away from the Vader-Kenobi fight, I got hella annoyed, especially because I know Ben, Beru, and Luke will survive just fine, and what was happening to them just wasn't interesting enough for me to be forced to witness it. It's a prequel problem, for sure. But I think, if I cared about Reva, it could have worked.
Actually, just rethinking all of this, it feels closer to a 5/10 now …
I skipped the reva scenes. I did not care one bit
This show is a representation of my love and frustration with Star Wars, as well as the potential I see in it but is constantly kept from moving it forward. Obi-Wan Kenobi has so many great scenes, so many great moments, and really good character development for Obi-Wan. I love the stuff with the PTSD and guilt he was suffering from and him coming to terms with it all. But there are so many problems I have with the show and Star Wars overall. This whole show was unnecessary and is very much a giant plot hole, the more I think about it.
No matter how much the people behind Star Wars keep trying to get my interest, I keep running into the same problem and that is the people in charge (mainly Kathleen Kennedy). It's been ten years and the most positive I have to say about the Disney Era of Star Wars is that the Mandalorian and the Clone Wars final season were great, plus a really good video game, but when it comes to the rest... I am just not impressed. I'll still give Mandalorian Season 3 and the Ashoka series a try, and even play the Jedi sequel game, but I can't see myself continuing to watch Star Wars if this what I can expect for the next ten years.
Agreed man, I think a lot of problems this series had are because of Disney way of making SW, they dont put enough effort to make something unique and amazing, they are happy with mediocrity.
Same
Honest to God, how can you possibly bear Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones yet call it quits at this show? Lol
Disney have a inner war. The creative and the CEO. The problem it's not the "agenda" it self, the problem are the CEO that don't understand the agenda and dont understand that you NEED TIME to create a good character.
I really didn't like mandalorian but I only saw season 1, it just didn't have soul for me
The problem with this finale and prequels in general are that we already know where most of these characters end up. Putting Luke, Owen and Beru in danger is like...why? It tried to seem suspensful but it wasn't. It would've been more impactful if Owen killed Reeva to protect Luke and then Obi-Wan telling Owen at the end that he and Beru should be protecting Luke would've hit a little harder. AND Leia having her whole personality from ANH...I'm not the same person I was when I was ten years old, so you're telling me Leia has little to no character growth from the time she was ten? Sorry for the rant. I was really looking forward to this show.
I agree, I feel the same way. I was wondering how they were going to handle the fact that we know all the main characters obviously survive. Plot twist, they didn't handle it lmao.
NO reason Reva should live and legit wtf was the point to her?
And for obi wan to leave Luke AGAIN? The entire POINT of the end of episode 3 then leading into a new hope was to watch over Luke.
The only tension I had during that whole ordeal was the dread of where they were going to break canon next.
For real!! I never liked Leia in the trilogy but her as a child. True she’s very smart & a little but can try to escape. While in Ep 4 she didn’t bother
@@13Psycho13 oh there are plenty of rumors about a season 2. At this point it wouldn't shock me if Obi Wan started training Leia how to use a lightsaber lmao
Thanks Jeremy,
I'm not the only one who thought that the only goal for that show was to show Obi Wan asking Vader to leave the Emperor to go with him just like Vader says to Luke in return of the jedi.
And for the Obi Wan show if I was directing it : made it like a Kurosawa movie. Obi Wan alone on Tatooine seeing people from a small village being terrorised by smuglers and bandits, and then Obi Wan questioning himself: should he be serving the jedi old code and save the helpless or just stay hidden to protect the only hope of the galaxy, Luke Skywalker.
And then making a samurai movie where he tries to help people and hidding the fact that he is a jedi at the same time.
The show you are describing is the premise of the novel “Kenobi” by John Jackson Miller in legends. It’s not my favorite Star Wars book but it’s a good read
@@tbahr123 Never knew that ^^ good to see that other people had the same idea. I wanted to do a Star Wars game in the past ... but now, not really when I see how people react to Star Wars content now. I'll finish working on my Silent Hill remake demo, and then jump to my own IP instead :p
You’re absolutely spot on with the gangs of New York reference
It’s a shame they crammed a story better told by Martin Scorsese into Star Wars and couldn’t pull it off as well, shoulda just focused on obi wan and Vader bc they clearly handled that dynamic far better
Obi Wan had the potential to be the Logan of Star Wars: Aging warrior dealing with incredible loss gets a chance at redemption when a child connected to his past is in danger. It's overwhelmingly disappointing they didn't take advantage of this opportunity to tell a deeper emotional story.
Reva: "I may have cut people's hands off and killed a bunch of people including children but I choose to be a better person now."
Eh I can see her having a change of heart. People can change and I think Obi-Wan's talk with her got to her.
Nobody cared when it happened to Darth Vader in ROTJ 🤷🏻♂️.
@@TonyQuinn This 👌
Splitting it into a series for Reva and a movie for Obiwan would've done it more justice. More intimate storytelling for the bigger of the stories, higher budget, better effects, not to mention a more solid orchestral score (outside of William's Obiwan theme which is an absolute bop). Then explore new stories in series like mando, reva, and the book of boba fett. Loved every second Hayden and Ewan brought to the show though. You could tell the passion they had for their parts and reunion right off the bat. We'll see what the next steps are, but yeah
More like just axing Reva alltogether. There was nothing worth salvaging from her story. The only way it couldve and shouldve worked wouldve been if Owen had killed her. Shes about to kill Luke and then gets shot by Owen. In her final moments she realizes that she became what she hated but at least somewhere out there, there was someone who would come and rescue a child about to be killed. Even if it didnt happen for her.
@@ComicCrossing her character is actually quite good just misplaced
The music I think is actually great, it’s just not the classic stuff that should’ve been there. Listen to the music from the final duel, or during reva vs Vader/reva arriving on fortress inquisitorius
@@oXRaptorzXo I don't even remember any original music. Which is never a good sign. Most music from Disney Star Wars reminds me of Marvel movie soundtracks. Music that just exists and doesn't detract from anything but only a couple themes that are memorable.
@@ComicCrossing the sequel trilogy ORIGINAL music is actually quite good. Mainly because there isn’t many original tracks and they usually use the iconic stuff. However the two that come to mind are Rey’s theme and Kylos theme which are both great. Solo also has a BANGER soundtrack. You should totally listen to it.
This series has pretty good music to, it’s just not that memorable. However two themes stick out to me, being Kenobis theme and the theme that I’m not sure is for reva or for the inquisitors in general. It plays during the reva vs Vader fight and when reva arrives at the fortress in Ep 3, just to name a couple instances
You’re one of the reviewers I watch on UA-cam that a little more generous to a lot of stuff I don’t like nowadays, but I like your honest takes on stuff.
I like your review. The part with the thing that Reva should have pulled from Bail Organa's message was hilarious. I feel the finale really pulled it out for the series and saved it. I'm in the middle but really enjoyed seeing the Star Destroyer doing some chasing which was seriously lacking in the rest of the series. Really enjoyed the lightsaber fight and the homage to Rebels. Guess Leia kept her word and remember what Obi-Wan told her to pretend not to know him.
On a Leia tangent, I really wish they did an arc with her character. She's a princess who doesn't know anything about the outside world and what the Empire does to people. Her world is all sunshine and lolipops and Stormtroopers are good and to be trusted, is what I thought her mindset should have been at the start. She should have ran to the Imperial forces when she escaped and not trusted Ben until she saw what the brutality that the Empire wreaks on the galaxy. And she sees the light and truth about the Empire and when she's returned to Alderaan, she tells her parents and they tell her that they're going to try to change it for her and all the people in the galaxy.
Hehe, you do understand that the Star Destroyer was firing, at almost point blank, on an un-armed transport for what seemed like hours... and could not hit anything?.
I know they had to make it "suspenseful"... But, honestly, if a warship can't hit a massive target right in front of it, not even once, for what seemed like an eternity.... what's the point of having warships then?
It might be a small thing.. but for some reason that was the last straw that ruined the rest of the episode for me.
@@mvilla9754 I hope you have a major issue with the millennium falcon escaping 3 star destroyers then. And that’s before they go through the asteroid field. This kinda stuff happens all the time in Star Wars
@@mikemills4007 The Millennium Falcon is a small, smuggler ship that is fast and very agile. It was modified by Han and Lando to be hard to hit in a situation like that. And even then, it only had to dodge the fire for a little while plus it was further away from the Destroyers.
The transport ship is a big, slow and easy target that was not designed for combat or smuggling... And Kenobi had time to have two deep convos with the captain, all this whilst the Destroyer was right on top of it.
All I could think of was, you should be dyeing right now.. :)
@@mvilla9754 if the Empire can’t hit a small ship being chased by 3 Star destroys and multiple Tie fighters then I’m not sure how they managed to stay in control for as long as they did. Btw, both things are stupid. Not arguing one isnt
@@mvilla9754
The transport ship here gets hit a bunch of times. You can see its shields deflecting the hits.
Also, why would you think that somebody who is raised by Bail Organa wouldn't know that the Empire is pure evil?
Leia's arc in the show is her going from someone who is basically good-natured but rather self-absorbed and not really interested in the real world outsode her fantasies to someone willing to throw down to help others. She goes from being actively hostile to the idea of being a Senator to willing to embrace that role if it'll help people.
Jeremy, I, can’t believe you’re making me defend this thing, but you missed the very thing you were looking for. Obi-Wan has avoided killing Vader multiple times now, and was even called out for it.
As you know, in storytelling, the rule is “show, don’t tell.”
Obi-Wan repeatedly calls Vader Anakin, unless referring to him to others, and it’s not until the mask is split, does Obi-Wan truly believe that Anakin is gone.
It’s not explicitly stated, no, but again, it’s clearly shown how this journey is not merely Obi-Wan rediscovering his power and establishing his “crazy old wizard” persona, but in understanding what really happened to Anakin, and discovering who and what Vader really is.
Best scene of the episode:
*Purple lightsaber ignites
Mace Windu: “I’m still alive motha f***a!!!”
Worst thing about this show is keeping Reva alive.
Amen to that!
The worst Star Wars character since the Twiilek Majordomo in Book of Boba Fett
@@robrja 💯
Past episode 1, right?
I’m not even joking. I would have enjoyed it more if Jar Jar came back instead of her🤣.
You literally said everything I was feeling about the show...your reviews are spot on.
I enjoyed it , it was a great show 🤷🏽
The moment when obi wan says im sorry to anakin nearly had me in tears
Alright, I feel like there's a common misconception that I have to clear up.
Obi-Wan was not "rusty" with the Force. The reason his Force powers were weak at the beginning of the series is NOT due to lack of use, but rather, it was due to his guilt and inner turmoil over Anakin's fall. Remember those nightmares he was having in the first episode? A Jedi needs to center himself and attain a state of serenity in order to let the Force flow through him. Due to the trauma he experienced, Obi-Wan was unable to achieve such a state and therefore, his connection to the Force grew weaker. It was only after he faced Vader and got the proper closure he needed was he able to regain his previous level of power. This was signified in the last scene by him being able to see Qui-Gon again after not having been able to do so during the earlier episodes.
So all those people who were complaining that it doesn't make sense for Obi-Wan to be rusty when he was supposed to be protecting Luke? There's your answer.
Still shit
Can't believe more people aren't saying this. Obi-Wan had PTSD after his duel with Anakin at Mustafar. That's not including the fact that the Republic became the Empire and the jedi order was mostly wiped out.
Sure but this shouldve been stated then. Better writing would have made this show excel.
@@ryanflat8627 Really? You need an exposition dump to understand that? SMH
That's actually a really cool explanation, but it clashes with what we actually saw in the show.
Kenobi's powers return way before he cuts Vader's helmet open and gets some closure.
These last two episodes were definitely the best of this series though I also liked Episode 3 too. Seeing SPOILERS Anakin's gnarled face through the helmet after Obi Wan slices it and hearing Hayden's voice coming through the malfunctioning vocal modulator was amazing, also the cameos of Palpatine and Qui-Gon as a force ghost were great as well. I'm glad they ended this mini series on a high note.
I liked the voice distortion but I felt the cameos of those 2 were forced and obvious lol
As SOON as he hit his face I'm like oh god they're ripping off Rebels lmao
This definitely felt like a good movie that was padded out when bad filler to extend it into a 6 episode series. I'm sure it won't be long before someone puts out a 2 hour fan edit that turns this into a far better story.
Just remove Reva, Leia and Luke subplots lmao
@@danielcarrilho5217 lea subplot will be kind of hard because her character gets the story going
Oh man I would love that! My first thought after the episode ended was "If you only watch footage with a lit light saber and skip everything else, you will miss nothing of consequence"
Honestly, shocked this wasn't just a movie along Rogue One and Solo and stuff. Not everything needs to be a series.
Just like the hobbit trilogy.
This show will feel so much more pleasing as a binge. Really hope we get more Hayden/Vader content
Agreed feel like the divide in the fandom wouldn't have been so bad if they realised it all at once
@@TheeDawson which I think says more about the fan base than anything else. Every show in history has its ups and downs. This all came together in a solid way. Not perfect but just shows no one is willing to let things play out
@@mikemills4007 solid meaning 5/10 its average television
@@mikemills4007 The major issue, barring bad writing, is that this story shouldnt have been a TV show anyways. There was not 6 hours worth of material for the story they were trying to tell, and there is a probably a good 2 1/2 hour movie in here somewhere.
So glad a reviewer finally raised the issue of the lack of John Williams’ classic music in this series. What a missed opportunity! Even Clone Wars used his key themes to much better effect. What are you doing Disney!?!!
I really liked how Obi Wan was shown to regain his hope through Luke and Leia. His mission was to protect and eventually train Luke but he was so caught up in the past and how he failed Anakin but through this time spent with Leia he’s able to put Anakin to rest and accept his friend, a good man, is gone and that Vader killed him and now he can move forward knowing the kids are a gateway to a brighter future for the galaxy
This! I liked the season. Not every show is going to blow people away and it's unrealistic to get exactly what you want, ya know. I only wish we could get more of this show.
Regained his hope through Luke?… when
You know what? What is the purpose for keeping the children of a mad titan (Luke and Leia) alive for? We know that they're not the only force sensitive around. They Obi-Wan could literally train another to become a Jedi. It's not like Vader knows that he have any kids.
@@spankbuda7466 lol everything that which you say just makes you sad and wrong, the WHOLE point of keeping the children of a “mAd tItAn alIvE FoR” is that you don’t kill innocent people, period. The Jedi are better than that and they try to persuade people into being better people, the sins of the father are NOT that of the children, that should be obvious and it’s embarrassing that you’re so dense that you can’t understand something as simple as that. Force Sensitive children being born doesn’t mean anything as you shouldn’t be killing ANYONE that’s innocent, regardless of who they’re parents are.
Obiwan “training” another doesn’t discredit this at all. They’re alive and they should de AS MUCH PEOPLE alive as possible, just WOW that you don’t realize that!
Vader not knowing he has kids isn’t an excuse to kill his innocent children, that should be obvious but you’re so nonsensical that you really thinking KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN is an option. Just lol you’re so bad at everything you say.
My takeaway from this review: "Music is a discovery; it's not an invention" - never thought of it that way, but makes sense 😁.
Sounds like this was a good finale to an OK series.
Nah, it was a mediocre finale with one good scene to an awful series.
@@akaranzo i envy your limited experience with tv if you think this was awful, i've seen plenty worse and wish this was at the bottom half of my library
@@k--music Of course there's even worse stuff out there but it doesn't change the fact that this show was a massive disappointment. Cheap, badly directed, written and shot. A few good scenes sprinkled in here and there aren't enough to save it from being generally awful.
@@k--music not everyone sets the bar with what they want to spend their time with watching that low. This also fails not only as a series, but as a sequel, which is worse.
This is NOT an okay series, this is a bad series held over water by an good actor (2 if the 1 minute of Hayden counts), and a few decent / good moments.
The writing, side characters, camerawork, lighting ,plot ,the way the plot is delivered . All of that simply said , sucks. 4/10 at best to me.
@@mihal1570 everything is awful unless it’s perfect but if it’s the prequels then awful makes for a 10/10
I like how obi wan slashed one side of vaders helmet and Ashoka slashed the other, while Luke was the only one who could truly take the helmet off and pull anakin out of the darkness. Makes me wonder though, what would of happened if Ashoka and obi wan fought Vader at the same time. Would the two of them be enough to pull anakin out of the darkness?
LOL @ the Reva leaping to Organa secret-love-child-and-avoiding-to-pay-child-support angle 🤣 Yeah, like you said, A LOT of leaps were made...like Incredible Hulk leaps. Anyway, as for the series as a whole, I'm definitely in the middle..mostly meh..thought the finale was the best episode as it was an improvement and the emotional scene of Vader's helmet being struck partially open and the way Hayden and Mcgregor played it was pretty well done with subtle things like Obi-Wan's blue lightsaber reflecting on Darth Vader's/Anakin's face at first when talking about Anakin but then, Darth Vader's red lightsaber light then only reflecting on him to portray the dark side taking hold again. The series did indeed have a ton of potential though that was largely wasted
I mean.. the last time Obi-wan said I will do what I must to Ankin, he left the scene with only a torso, I mean I feel like that called for a bit of reflection on Vader part😂
When the fans brought up the idea of seeing Kenobi before new hope, they said things they wanted to see. Seeing the Kenobi see Vader, having them both clash again and him acknowledging that Anakin was gone. I’m this show when it focused on Anakin and Kenobi it was brilliant to watch. All the other stuff felt very filler. I feel like this should have been a movie. Would have been way more better pacing wise. Loved Hayden and Ewan tho, both are still brilliant at what they do. Also thought the actress who played Leia was great
I loved this last episode. But this show should have been a 2 hour movie, would have worked better that way. Or like said in the video, 2 different limited series. I'm happy we got to see Obi-Wan using the force against Vader like a mad man. And that line by Vader when his mask/helmet is cut open was so Good, and the lighting in that scene was Beautifully done.
By this episode, I genuinely lost all interest in Reva's arc simply because we knew that Owen, Beru and Luke will survive through it. Like I really was just watching it for Obi-Wan and Vader, who, by my logic, will both be okay, but it's a matter of the rematch and also if there are any surprise/teased cameos in this.
But yeap, Jeremy was right to say that a Reva series would have been a lot more beneficial. Or a series about the Inquisitors. Obi-Wan while it has its highs and lows, also feels like a series to sell toys.
Better than Book of Boba Fett, but that's because that series set the bar really low as well. Definitely open for more Ewan and Hayden.
The opening chase had me wondering where in the hell were the TIE fighters from ISD were or the tractor breams...how could they not launch fighters to deal with the transport and still go after Kenobi. You totally knew that the helmet hit was coming since Ahsoka did the same thing in the Rebels series.
Also how many working shuttle were in that base where Reva could easily get off the planet with no issues? Now the "Hello There" line was great, but the best part was Qui-Gon.
Yet, you know they will somehow make a Season 2.
Exactly. After a few seconds of watching the Star Destroyer chase the ship I began wondering when they would lock on with a tractor beam. Apparently the writers forgot that exists...Also, why did Obi-Wan land on the planet to fight Vader; his ship had a hyperdrive and he could have just jumped away after leading them on a chase (since bad guys' ships can't catch good guys in Disney Star Wars until they run out of fuel 🤦♂). So he chose to fight Vader, but didn't kill him or do anything really when he won. What was the point...?
@@andrewadams8601 right and its not like obi won getting there helped anything. He didnt have to be written there. Just have Reva bring Luke to Owen and his aunt. They embrace Luke and the same scene plays out.
@@andrewadams8601 'So he chose to fight Vader, but didn't kill him or do anything really when he won. What was the point...?'
I assume this is where the 'you didn't let them down if you showed him mercy' line, that Obi-Wan told Reva, comes in. I guess seeing the state he's in, and how far he's gone, really made Obi feel sorry for him. The real question is why did Vader leave Obi under the rubble, when they're supposed to feel each other's presence through the force, and he knows that Obi can hurl giant boulders through the air, too. What did he say about Obi-wan in RoS, again? 'As wise as master Yoda and as powerful as master Windu'?
Luke's ' It's not just about lifting rocks' line in TLJ turned out very ironic, too - the force has been reduced to just throwing rocks in every D+ show, so far.
Then again why did Vader leave Reva alive, or why did he let the second ship go, in the last episode? Why didn't he finish Obi-wan off during their first encounter, when there was just a small line of fire between them, that a child could walk around in 30s at a semi-brisk pace? Everyone gives up surprisingly easy in this show, when the script demands it.
I almost turned this episode off after the first 5 minutes. First Reva gets to Tatooine instantly, while the Empire is still chasing the Rebel ship from the last episode in real time. Not to mention that it's silly she survived that, or that she hasn't hopped into a Bacta tank immediately after, but then again this is a show where lightsaber hits bounce off of Stormtroopers and rocks. Then the whole riveting TLJ slow chase scene concept comes back, then Vader tells them to leave the Rebel ship alone, cause they need to focus on Obi-wan, only to leave the destroyer half a minute later, anyway. So couldn't the Empire just turn back and focus on the Rebels, while Vader went to fight Obi? Is that the only destroyer in the Empire? They couldn't just call reinforcements that would be there instantly? Tie-fighters don't have a hyper-drive, but they should be plenty fast to catch that slow Rebel frigate with a busted hyper-drive, too.
This show has so much wasted potential.
In that case why didn’t they send tie fighters or tractor beams after Tantive IV in a new hope
@@megastarwarsrocks99 I mean, they caught the Tantive IV in A New Hope, so you could make the argument that they didn't need them. Here, the ships are clearly eluding the Star Destroyer, so they should have tried other tactics.
This was actually awesome, I've not really enjoyed the show at all until the last episode but it totally delivered. Finally a worthy duel between obi wan and vader and a satisfying conclusion. If only the writing in the previous episodes, characters and sub plots had been at this quality. I agree that this would have been far better as a movie with the filler from the episode structure cut out.
This finale did not deliver at all.
It was some lore breaking, cringey BS. But I'm glad someone enjoyed it.
@@jedlawson3494 it was a good finale
@@jedlawson3494 who cares about lore virgin
They were never supposed to fight again after episode 3. But ok, they break canon and all the fake fans love it cuz to you all Star Wars is is just lightsabers and laser blasts. The fact they have Obi-Wan apologize for what happened is pathetic. In real life you don't just get to say sorry and fix all your regrets. The fact that Obi and Vader never met again until Obi's death was incredible, poetic, and poignant. But, you probably think Obi let himself get killed to let Luke escape, which is completely wrong. Enjoy, all this new garbage is made for you, the fake, bandwagon, fair weather fans.
@@rogue_of_the_winds1286 well that's a lot of assumptions to make. Personally the only things I've enjoyed from Disney is rogue one, the mandalaorian and this last final episode. I think this episode gave fans a lot of what they were expecting from the series as a whole, however the run up to this episode was pretty lackluster.
There seems to be this trend lately- maybe a year or two old now- where these stories about these characters are being told that turn out to be prologues. The Batman was a story about a guy who only truly becomes the Batman everyone knows at the end of the movie. Spider-Man: No Way Home ended with Peter Parker becoming the true Spider-Man, making everything that happened leading up to the finale where he makes his own suit and sets out on his own, including Homecoming and Far From Home, just a prologue. And now this series. As the video states, it took a whole series, with convoluted events, to put Kenobi right back to where he was at the end of Revenge of the Sith and before A New Hope.
It’s like these producers are afraid, unwilling, or incapable of telling a story with these characters that actually expand on them and show us something new.
The most annoying trend is putting the so called main character that people want to see in the background for a character that nobody knows or cares about. Obi-Wan, Hawkeye and other shows/movies.
@@BishopWalters12 nobody cares about hawkeye. Replacing him is probably for the best.
@@BishopWalters12 You know, if they gave Kenobi the Hawkeye treatment, where he played the mentor to another character- it wouldn’t even have to be Luke- the show would have been more compelling. Since we already know the fate of Kenobi, nothing he did in this show creates any tension. So, attaching him to a new character would create that tension. Perhaps he tries to train a new Jedi while being hunted down by the inquisitors? Does this new Jedi live? Does he die? Who knows? Tune in to find out! THAT works.
I have zero problem with that framing device. It also kind of worked in Hawkeye, too. In my opinion.
I see what you mean and totally agree about studios not pushing the envelope in terms of creativity, waaay too many prequels and convoluted tie-ins like Solo and Boba Fett, however I think Batman and Spiderman are slightly different cases.
Reeves' Batman was already established as "the Batman" in a new unique universe, he just needed to learn to be inspirational instead of vengeful. It was a great middle-ground between a prequel and sequel, no wasting time with an origin story but he still had to develope as a character. As someone burnt out on the MCU's dozens of origin stories I appreciate being able to jump right into the meat of his career and not have to watch Bruce wander the world again. I actually hope more superhero stories take this origin-skipping approach in the future. Give us the superhero from the start but still give us an arc!
Spiderman's new beginning at the end of NWH is definitely a tribute to traditional comics, but from here on out Holland's Peter will have to grapple with being alone in a world that *he* knows yet that doesn't know him. I've actually not seen something quite like that before. He will probably be more down to earth and small-scale yes, but it's unavoidable that he'll have to re-introduce himself to elements of the MCU again.
These two instances would be waaay worse and 100% what you're talking about if they were direct prequels to, say, the Dark Knight trilogy or the Raimi Spiderman trilogy. But they're largely original imo.
@@sungiant2000 nobody cares about Girl Hawekeye either.
I would have liked to seen a Hawkeye show where it's just Hawkeye tearing through street level criminals and Kingpin is the final boss...
9:41 "You made up this whole story to bring Obi Wan back to where he was at the end of Revenge of the Sith"
Yup.
And the EXACT same thing happened with Sam Wilson regarding Endgame and the Falcon and The Winter Soldier Disney+ plus show.
I think the theme of the season, which I really liked, was that it was a story of Obi Wan dealing with his and the jedi failure. He went through such a shift and loss that this show showing us the story of him picking back up his life was great!
I can't remember a show where the finale is the best part of the entire program, that's insane. normally you drop the ball or fall headfirst but they cut through all the bullshit and went for the meat, they promised another encounter between Vader and Obi Wan and they delivered in a way i liked way more than the previous one. It's a bit sad where you can skip through 5 hours of content that you couldn't care less off, to something which should be secondary to the drama of this fallen Jedi.
I'm glad you liked it, but that finale was just as bad as every episode that preceded it.
@@jedlawson3494 I mean the series has lowered my bar for these SW shows so this was a welcome change of not sucking.
Mandalorian Season 2?
This show is simoly reverse game of thrones
The series was alright, but Jeremy hit the issue right on the head in this one. They essentially backtracked everyone's character arcs and then did them over again. The series didn't justify why it was a series in the first place. Also the budget wasn't there and it was missing the music until the last 10 mintues
I thought the lines and fight between Obi and Vader helped explain some weird things of the OG trilogy.
Like the thing you mentioned that Darth Vader says about Obi-Wan's thinking, how Obi-wan calls him "Darth" like a first name, why tf Obi-wan says Vader killed Anakin, why Darth Vader is so calm when he meets Obi-Wan again, etc.
The fight seems primarily made to give pay-off and resolve oddities from the series.